Friday, January 06, 2012

Paving A New Raider Way

Well, if reports are to be believed, we have a general manager, one who comes from a first-class organization, and who was endorsed by Ron Wolf and John Madden, and who actually played for the Raiders back in the day.

I don't know a lot about Reggie McKenzie as an executive, but his endorsements and pedigree sound promising.

I honestly don't care what happens with Hue Jackson. For some strange reason, I'm completely ambivalent about him. I thought that he started his tenure strong, but I was pretty unimpressed by the end of the season. I suppose that he could still have some upside, that he could still be the guy, but I think that is open for legitimate debate, and I wouldn't be surprised if McKenzie decided he wasn't the guy.

The Raiders defense was a grease fire in 2011. Apparently, Jackson had the power to hand out draft picks like Christmas candy in his pursuit of Carson Palmer, but no authority to demote a woefully ineffective defensive coordinator?

Worse yet, the Raiders set the NFL record for penalties and penalty yardage, which I believe reflects directly on the coach. In the end, Jackson sounded overly exasperated and a bit in over his head, which is no way to hit the ground running in 2012.

The injuries at key positions like quarterback and running back are no excuse for finishing in third place in a weak division. If we were going to accept mediocrity as a result of injury, then there was no reason to mortgage our future drafts for the sake of fielding Carson Palmer. If Michael Bush was such a drop off the cliff, how did he run for nearly 1,000 yards and earn consideration for a franchise tag?

The Palmer deal could really blow up in our face in the long run. Big Ben, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco and even Tim Tebow...Do you see a trend with the teams who are in the playoffs this year? Hint: each of their quarterbacks was drafted by their own team (okay, Manning was traded on draft day) and groomed from the ground up.

Drew Brees is the exception. There's also the Texans, who ostensibly should be fielding Matt Schaub, and Alex Smith and Tim Tebow are flukey, but there's a clear pattern with the teams that seem to be there time and time again.

I'm not writing off Carson Palmer, he could still become our Drew Brees or Kurt Warner, but it's time for the Raiders to take a holistic, ground-up, visionary approach to building the team, and it starts at quarterback.

In that context, they should be drafting their QB of the future sooner rather than later. This is a QB-driven league. Carson Palmer should not only be our starting quarterback for the next few years, but he should also be a mentor to our next quarterback for the subsequent 10 years.

But here's the rub: we have several other holes to fill, but also a dearth of draft picks.

Statistically, Jason Campbell and Carson Palmer were in a virtual dead heat in 2011. In 2012, Palmer needs to prove that he's a few high draft picks better than the guy we already had. And if McFadden remains injury prone, then we can expect an encore starting performance from Michael Bush. It should be good enough to win a weak division.

But it won't be if the defense doesn't get squared away. Hiring a capable defensive coordinator is the first step, but not the only one. Our defense is loaded with high-priced veterans and lofty draft picks who have no business getting embarrassed like that, even if Mickey Mouse were on the sidelines calling the schemes.

Again: it's time for the Raiders to take a holistic, ground-up, visionary approach to building the team. It's time to pave a new Raider Way.

That's why Reggie McKenzie is here. And that's why Hue Jackson may be gone, and that's why I wouldn't be terribly surprised or disappointed.

232 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

Nice take, Take. Hard to argue any of those points.

I would note, however, that we supposedly drafted the QB of the future in Pryor. So, either you forgot, or you have no faith in Pryor being, well, the QB of the future.

If you believe Pryor might be the guy, then the list gets smaller.

At the end of the day, IMO, hiring McKenzie trumps keeping Jackson.

Indeed, it's a New Raider Way!

8:20 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

NY, I guess it's hard for me to think that McKenzie, after working with Favre and Rodgers, would be convinced that Pryor has the makings of a franchise quarterback, but you never know.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

Great take again. It is being reported that Reggie confirmed via text to Adam Shefter. Shefter has been a reliable source with this kind of information in the past, even when Davis was alive. He broke the news about Kiffin (then with the NFL Network) and Cable being fired.

We'll have to wait to know for sure after the Pack is officially out of the post-season (which I think the Saints will knock them out).

I'm disappointed with the season, but I have been a big component of giving a coach 3 years. I'm know different with Jackson. I think he was a major reason we went 8-8 last year, because with Cable calling offensive plays, we were 5-11. I say let him bring in his own defensive coordinator, and see what we can do. If we are no better than 8-8 next year, show him the door.

Your point about QBs. I couldn't agree more. This is why I think it is vital we retain Hue at this point, because Hue was the guy who groomed Carson out of college (and for awhile at USC). Just because they were both in Cincinnati doesn't negate the fact that they know each other well. The other thing I like about Palmer, is he immediately took Pryor under his wing when he got there; something that Jason Campbell and Kyle Boller did not do. Don't get me wrong, I think Hue is going to get hammered for the deal with Carson; but I think Reggie is wise enough to get us back into the early rounds of the draft.

I'm pretty excited with this move, and now understand why it didn't happen in the season (because GB would've had to fire him). I'm looking forward to seeing what we do from here on out, and I'm hoping I am right about GB losing to the Saints this year; because the sooner the better for me.

JUST WIN, BABY!

9:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

What excites me is all the talk that McKenzie is a great evaluator of talent. While we had that in Al Davis, there wasn't always the requisite harmony between design and implementation to make things work.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

HALLELUJAH! HAPPY DAYS ARE FINALLY COMING!

CLEAN HOUSE REG! first and foremost, PLEASE get RID of that loser attitude!

i'm not necessarily saying the org, coaches or players has a bad attitude but to get over this mediocre 8-8 we need someone here to clean this house of it's past.

it's on to running a smart team with a good judge of talent and character!

THANK YOU mark davis!

9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Take! A new dawn is here and I am legitimately excited about the Raiders future. Kudos to Mark Davis!

I agree with Raider Nate's reasoning regarding Hue. I think he deserves another shot and is probably the best coach to work with Carson. I give him one more year if he stumbles, then fire him.

However, the McKenzie hire is bigger to me than an HC.

Roy

9:44 AM  
Blogger H said...

Take,

I concur for the most part. But, I see Mickey Mouse as more of an offensive type of guy. Popeye, now there’s an ugly, in your face, linebacker type DC.

We’ll have to go with the jury being out on Pryor until we see him in action after the OTA’s and Camps. Also, when Wolf traded for Favre he wasn’t thought very highly of, at least by the Atlanta folks. So, I’ll take a “look-see” approach for now on Pryor.


What I do like about McKenzie is he comes from a defensive background. I think this franchise needs the interjection of that type of mindset going forward. You need a top notch QB, but I’ve always believed that the fastest way back to the playoffs is with a solid, nasty defense.

Nate,

If he agrees to a contract today, Green Bay could release him and he could start now. But, GB would have to agree. I believe today is the last day to conclude the process until GB is eliminated.

I hope this is all true, but until I see the press release, I'll be cautious and not count any chickens.

H

9:50 AM  
Blogger H said...

This may help cement it. A quote from an article in the Chicago Tribune:

"Late Thursday, former Packers director of operations Reggie McKenzie opted to go to the Raiders instead of interviewing with the Bears."

Apparently McKenzie decided to not even interview elsewhere. Mark Davis made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Lesson's from the Godfather.

H

10:09 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It's a great day to be a RAIDER FAN...instantly, Mark Davis stabilized a floundering franchise. Because of this move, it instantly sends a message to the football world that the Raiders are worthy of any HC or coaches and F.A's looking to play for a well run and stable franchise. This move shows the Mark Davis is serious about turning this thing around.

Man, Oakland will be the hottest attraction this year coming up. The Defense will automatically be better, no more hanging at the bottom of stats. Palmer will be an elite QB next year...One more time, those still hanging on to Hue...you may as well let go, he is as good as gone. His throwing the team under the bus and his declaration that he will take more of a roll in turning around the franchise....he buried himself, see ya Hue, you might be a QB coach again.

The sky is the limit now, when have the fans been treated to this since the franchise's heyday?....been a long time coming and it feels great....I could hardly sleep last night, feel like a kid again. Thank you Mark Davis, Ron Wolf and John Madden!!!!

JONES

10:11 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"who comes from a first-class organization"

Reggie McKenzie

NFL Draft: 1985 Raiders / Round: 10 / Pick: 275

1985-1988 LB Los Angeles Raiders

54 Reggie McKenzie RILB

Raider's 3-4 "D"

"But here's the rub:"

As usual you always take a derogatory swipe at Mr Davis even in death when relating anything about the Raiders...Why the hell would I be surprised???

You have used this board repeatedly as a platform to vent you disdain for Al Davis and your childish bitterness!!!...All the while trying to take glory upon yourself from that which you disdain...The man who made this team what it was/is and paved the way for it's present future...Lets you forget it was Al's wishes that Reggie McKenzie replace him as "GM"!!!

"It's time to pave a new Raider Way."

Based upon the traditions of our roots and established threw those who have been here all along or returning home!!!

PantyRaider...The Hypocrisy Continues!!!/_

10:20 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just wanted to share the ramblings of a warped individual...courtesy of Jethro/OTB/Charger/Pitt/Pats/Donkey fan.....

PantyRaider said...
Your an invalid Judas Demon JONES because your too damn weak and afraid to get your worthless fat ass up...You have NEVER had it in you to strap it on for anything except drowning yourself in bitterness at the sight of so many others being able to live happy productive lives while you can NOT!!!...

Wasting away in Anonymity insolent in isolation restricted from reality centered in the LIE is what your world holds in store as fantasy after fantasy eludes your every prayer!!!...Abandoned and forgotten while mommy continues to change your soured diaper waiting for that moment of freedom from her toils and relief from your burdensome existence!!!..Unloved and unwanted you searched cyberspace realms for something to crap on to sooth your fading dreams while false promoting yourself clothed in LIES of godliness and TRUTH of which you could obtain neither nor in fact could you stand to see and hear the cheers of those who would have faith and believe in something with hope when you have NONE!!!

Now faced with the reality of your failures you attempt to magnify yourself in a new image of excitement when you have neither the faith nor the continuance to endure such a stand in reality but attempt to project yourself in deception that which is unobtainable to you....STRENGTH!!!

Your weakness is self evident in the shallowness of your attempt to defame that which is so far beyond any imaginable achievement that you could ever possibly pursue even in dreams the likeliness of which so far escapes the realms of your self imposed illnesses of holiness in lies!!!

Sick and bewildered are you abandoned to your pitiful decaying death the conciseness in loneliness that which you have transgressed threw time an eventuality of forever forgotten prayer nary to be remembered as any more than a leach of society the slime trail of which your existence past tense shall forever be swiped from the annals of time!!!

12:21 AM
The guy is BONKERS, so full of hate and sickness...do they have 'mental homes' in Cambodia?

JONES

10:20 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Let Mr.Davis rest in peace Jethro....It's a new day and his son is now the carrier of the team....stop looking back and try to look forward, otherwise, the train coming at you will flatten your ugly face....not that it would be a bad thing...RAIDERS RAIDERS RAIDERS...GO RAIDERS

JONES

10:24 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Look at how bitter Jethro is, the RAIDERS are on their way back and all he can do is cry like a baby about how everyone is happy....TOO FUNNY, talk about gloom and doom a crier o tears....if it ain't the kettle calling it black...get to the back of the bus and sit the frick down and stop cryin all over this board, ya big baby.


JONES

10:28 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Nice take-

This is indeed good news. Not only the best guy out there but also a good fit Raider-wise, and he was a good player.
There is no indication from the press but I wonder how much Hue had in this selection. It appears maybe not much. I do like the immediacy of the action.
As I have posted in the past, Bill Wirtz acted like AD in many ways. (He even pulled an Art Shell like re-hire with Bob Pulford.) Once Wirtz died just about everything realated to the Hawks changed for the better. As much as I loved AD he was obviously the best thing to happen to the Raiders but also may have been the worst.
May he rest in peace and be vindicated through his son Mark in bringing back the glory.
In three years we win the whole thing - what do you think?

10:38 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H - "What I do like about McKenzie is he comes from a defensive background. I think this franchise needs the interjection of that type of mindset going forward."

Careful, H. Raiders are steeped in a history of defense-minded executive management.

Jones - will you embrace Jackson if McKenzie retains him? I'm good either way, but I'd hate to see you lose a step in your newly found glory.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"There is no indication from the press but I wonder how much Hue had in this selection"

He didn't have ANY, Ron Wolf made that 'perfectly clear'.

JONES

10:42 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NYR, if McKenzie retains Hue it will be that he is waiting on someone else or he is just waiting out his contract. I don't have faith in Hue, so why would I embrace him?

JONES

10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCAR

Yessss!!!!


SCAR

10:46 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Jones - will you embrace Jackson if McKenzie retains him? I'm good either way, but I'd hate to see you lose a step in your newly found glory."

No step will be lost...I have been 'crying' for this kind of action from the leadership of the franchise since Art Shell I....Swift, strong, decisive and on target...it's only upward and onward from here. You can try and bring me down NYR, but I'm way up here on cloud RAIDER and you ain't taking the air out of it, try as you may.

JONES

10:49 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

"Careful, H. Raiders are steeped in a history of defense-minded executive management."

Who are these types? Most of what you hear is "vertical offense". Al Davis coached receivers. Plus, asside from John Madden, who was the linebackers coach, I can't think of a single HC we had that was from the defensive side of the ball.

The Packers of the 90's had some weapons on offense, but they didn't reach the pinnacle until Ron Wolf brought in Reggie White and a few other pieces on defense.

So, I respecfully disagree.

Although it appears to be a fait accompli, I'm still waiting for the press release.

Now, if McKenzie wants a clean slate, and that was part of the deal, we should know soon. I believe we are close to the time limit on assistant coaches being notified. I realize some defensive coaches are being let go, but we still have the offensive staff.

To be honest, I would keep the O-Line guys. I think they did a top notch job this year.

Take,

McKenzie is described as a develope your own type, and agument with FA. Something I think you will like.

The kicker is, how well will he perform when he's running the entire show?

H

11:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jones, who is trying to let the air out? It was a question since you now seem to think Jackson is a horrible coach and needs to be fired. The question was, if McKenzie comes in and gives him another shot, will you support it? Those of us supporting Jackson have already said we would support it. It seems like curiosity question not a contentious question.

Not every debate needs to be belligerent.

Roy

11:35 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"It seems like curiosity question not a contentious question.

Not every debate needs to be belligerent. "

Well Roy, it becomes belligerent when the question keeps being asked, ya think? You have asked it a couple times, NYR has aked it a couple times...how many times should I answer in a nice tone? Same as you asking me what my prediction was before the season, twice and 'Gary' asking it more than once. I may be dumb, but I ain't stupid. I can tell when folks are trying to needle...OK?

JONES

11:44 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"The kicker is, how well will he perform when he's running the entire show?"

Well, if Ron Wolf is fully endorsing that McKenzie is ready to do it, that is an excellent sign. McKenzie is toughted as the best propspect out there and is from a very successful Org. Nothing is bullet proof, but this seems to be as close as you can get.

JONES

11:47 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Should be asked and not aked

should be touted and not toughted

my bad

JONES

11:50 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Great news, great take (as usual).

Hey Jones, will you get behind Hue if McKenzie totally endorses him? Inquiring minds want to know!

I keed, I keed!

I have my problems with Hue, but if he really can scale back his responsibilities or perceived FO responsibilities and focus more on player accountability (penalties anyone?) and the offense (Palmer/Drops/Play Calling) I think he will excel. Rookie head coach stretched way too thin is a recipe for disaster, I don't care what the circumstances are.

I really hope McKenzie is as advertised in terms of player evaluation because he's going to have to pull out all the stops to try to upgrade the team with not a lot of cap room and no draft picks.

One thing I do hope happens is that whomever comes in for the DC job that they have head coaching experience. It would be nice for Hue to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Maybe someone like Jack del Rio.

But this really is good news all around. Of course this doesn't guarantee success, but it sure does hedge our bets in a positive way.

12:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"...how many times should I answer in a nice tone?"

Once would be a start. Nobody is trying to shake you out of your tree.

12:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H - apparently I misunderstood your original post. No time to explain so I'll just say, never mind.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Jones
Did not discern the Hue involvement/non-involvement in the GM selection process. Thanks for the clarification and even better if he did not. I am very pleased. Hope the pack lets him start right away. God knows there's a lot to get done.

12:39 PM  
Blogger H said...

Well, if McKenzie and the raiders have reached an agreement and all that's left is signing on the dotted line, then the ball is in Green Bay's court.

As for Jackson. I had my problems with him down the stretch when 2-3 would have won the west. But, if McKenzie is in favor of keeping him, it's OK with me.

Let's start moving forward.

H

12:54 PM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

Now you've got me curious.

H

12:56 PM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

According to Raiders.com, it's official!

1:09 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

awesome day in raider nation!

1:59 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

While I think the McKenzie hiring is great news (he's someone with a Raider pedigreee, which is always what I said they should look for) I await the further doom and gloom if McKenzie chooses to stay with Hue Jackson. If we change HCs, I project a 9-7 season next year.

However, the Raiders have been kicking the tires of Winston Moss for about three years now. Moss worked with McKenzie in GB. So either Moss will be brought here as DC, or he may wind up as our new HC.

I'm not sure what will happen. While I know that Jackson wanted to dump Bresnahan, I don't think he actually pulled the trigger. That could signal that the Raiders feel done with Jackson and anticiate McKenzie hiring a new HC. They wouldn't let Hue fire Bresnahan so the new HC would decide who to keep and who to eliminate.

2:26 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Since the press conference is scheduled for Tuesday, it could mean that the Packers have excused McKenzie from the post season. If so, that might indeed signal a new HC. I can't think of another reason McKenzie wouldn't wait until after the SB to take charge.

However, it could also mean that GB has just excused him on Tuesday.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Blanda, I agree with what you are saying in your latest post, amazing, isn't it? I wonder if Hue had something to do with the leak of all the Defensive coaches being let go? If he did, then he is most certainly gone. Also, Mark Davis probably wanted to have the GM in place before announcing it? Just another sign of smart moves by the new Owner.

JONES

2:36 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
As for Jackson. I had my problems with him down the stretch when 2-3 would have won the west.
>>>>>


I suppose you could nitpick a few of his decisions, and MAYBE pin the blame on the penalties on him, but cmon... his offense scored 27, and 26 points in two losses down the stretch.

Most HC's in the NFL would not get the blame for that.

Why is it different with the Raiders?

4:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A new era began today ... it exciting and promising how Mark Davis acted quickly and decisively!

MAJOR kudos to our new owner. I can't wait for the new vision to become apparent over the next few months.

I agree with BR about the likelihood of Winston Moss joining the organization as either our new HC or DC.

4:37 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

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4:50 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

2012 Resolution: I forgot, a few times, that this was a Raiders dungeon. One of the commandments I saw scrawled on the entrance to the cave on my way out last week was: "If you don't bleed Silver and Black, you don't belong here"... well, I do have the blood, but my yap would lead anyone here to believe otherwise, cuz ya don't know me. Take, I'm actually going through Raider withdrawals and I could not stay away from this band of brothers, slugggin it out or otherwise. This was great take, and I am really excited about this upcoming year. Franchise Tag Bush (have we yet?), hope McFadden gets bionic, and maybe our style of play (penalties or not) can bring back THE swagger... In retrospect, I suppose I got used to them losing... It was killin me. Screw that. I just adjusted my attitude. Just Win, Baby. By the way, someone called the Jets the "East Coast Raiders"... that was the igniter to my fire.

4:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ - Moss for HC? Interesting! H, you'd get your wish to infuse a defense mind to HC.

5:57 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I am quite certain that Al Davis is the man responsible for rebuilding the talent on this football team. But here's some supposition.

A few years back, Al admitted needing help and even said that he had someone in mind, but the person wasn't currently available. Some of us speculated that it might be Parcells, I think I suggested Harbaugh, some even thought John Madden might come back. Then, I'd heard a bit later that Al had decided this person wasn't yet ready.

I'm now thinking that person could very well have been McKenzie. Davis has always kept in tight contact with Wolf, and Davis certainly remembered McKenzie as a player. The GB/Al connection, when you think about it, has been very apparent. Moss kept coming out here for interviews.

We all have heard that Al left a letter behind, purportedly instructing Mark how to proceed, and from whom to seek advice.

RT, I think you've been very wrong. I think Al Davis thought out the Post Al Davis very well. I think that letter he left behind was a bit more than a letter.

I think we are currently witnessing the results of what was in that letter.

6:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOD THE LAST TIME I WAS ELATED ABOUT MY RAIDERS WAS WHEN WE PICKED RUSSELL #1.....PLEASE LET THIS THE CHOICE THAT MAKES IT SQUARE....

6:37 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Blanda, hopefully that letter said to fire Bresnahan and to hold Jackson's feet to the fire (or perhaps fire him), and to stop handing out draft picks like Christmas candy and to beware considering Terrelle Pryor as a franchise quarterback.

6:51 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Damn OTB, could you be any more phony? How many bandwagons have you been on in the last 10 years? Once a Raider, always a Raider and ANYONE who says they like another team...nope, ya don't make the grade...flush....

JONES

6:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Blanda...your real name wouldn't be Karl Rove, would it?

JONES

6:57 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

blanda, i was thinking the same thing, that it may have been mckenzie the whole time of course based on the recommendation of herok and wolf. however al took a great chance that he could have been hired by someone else long ago. thank God he was available for us now. reggie didn't even bothering to interview w/ chicago. that shows his allegiance to the team that drafted him and his allegiance to al. he is a great judge of talent so gone are the days of super stud athletes and vets who come here just to take a pay check ie warren sapp. the little devil over my right shoulder even put a thought in mybhead that reggie knew he was coming here and even "helped" al on the side with all these latest "gems" of players we have lately. right? nahhhh!!!! just thinking out loud :o)

i think hue's days are numbered. reggie's starts right away and just like i mentioned, there are indications that he's gonna put his own stamp on this team.

he will have to be extremely creative these next few months as hue gave away the farm for the next two years. we practically have no draft and i believe we're over the cap. i am ok now with missing the playoffs because this feels like a playoff victory. finally this team is headed in the right direction!

7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary

Why is it dif... with the Raiders?

Well for starters at 7-4 (record at that time) we had the division wrapped up.

With Hue's incompetence (1-4 record to end the season) the fuking donkos (who were like 4-7) at that time came back to steal OUR division title.

What is wrong with you clowns?

Can't you see that Hue FAILED EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS RAIDER!!!

SCALR8R

8:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

There are many interesting associations between the key people involved with this important hire and possible new additions to the franchise as a new chapter in Raider football truly begins.

Reggie McKenzie: Former Raider player and Director of Football Operations at Green Bay.

Al Davis: Drafted McKenzie in 1985 to play LB for the Los Angeles Raiders. Al's son (Mark), current owner, interviewed McKenzie on Wednesday based on the recommendation of Ron Wolf and Ken Herock.

John Madden: Hired by Al Davis as the Raiders Head Coach. By the pre-planned request of Al Davis, acted as a consultant to Mark Davis. Madden and Mark Davis interviewed McKenzie on Wendesday.

Ron Wolf: Former Raiders and Green Bay executive who highly recommended McKenzie to Mark Davis. Ron's son (Eliot) was hired by Reggie McKenzie at Green Bay as the Assistant Director of Player Personnel. Eliot Wolf is rumored to be rejoining McKenzie with the Raiders in some executive capacity.

Ken Herock: Former Raiders player who followed Ron Wolf to the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs as Director of Player Personnel and endorsed McKenzie to be GM of the Raiders. One of Ken's sons (Shaun) is currently the Assistant Director of Scouting at Green Bay.

Winston Moss: Former Raider player and current LB Coach at Green Bay. Rumored to be joining the Raiders coaching staff as either Head Coach or Defensive Coordinator.

Darren Perry: Former Raider DB Coach and current Safeties Coach at Green Bay. It is rumored that Perry will be joining the Raiders coaching staff in some capacity.

The father-son dynamic and the Raiders-Packers connections is quite unique.

Al Davis/Mark Davis; Ron Wolf (Raiders/Packers)/Eliot Wolf (Packers); Ken Herock (Raiders)/Shaun Herock (Packers)

8:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR,

Obviously I have no clue if Moss will be joining the Raiders, and if so, as HC or DC.

If Moss is hired as our new HC, it will TRULY be a new era in Raiders football when you consider the last true "defensive" head coach was John Madden.

Who knows? All I know is that I'm REALLY looking forward to the next chapter in RAIDERS football!

OTB,
For the record, I have NEVER heard another Raider fan who likes or has an allegiance to another NFL team. Admire or respect another team? Sure.

It might be semantics between "like" and "admire" BUT your comments about other teams are more in line with a fan boy.

9:03 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

...what grade are you talking about Jones, third grade?

9:22 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Calico Jack, I'mm chuckling, that's actually pretty funny, even at my expense, as it would seem. Fan is short for fanatic, and that is not me. Fanaticism is alive and well here. Focus on the game, anything else is lame. My comments were along the way certain teams play and were run, in hoping that this particular organization might be able to do that too. Take the patch off one of your eyes for just a sec and park your pride! It's blinding you from the points I've made throughout the season. Unnamed QB who sucks but still rallies troops. Unnamed teams who suck but do well because they don't lead the league in fundamental penalties six out of ten years. To me, it's like watching your own kids team make the same mistakes again and again and again while the knuckle-headed hooyas go Rah Rah Rah anyway. That's not only how great teams blow seasons but battles are lost too... no real change. As a Raider Guy (you can be a fanatic if you want, it's ok, really), I'm just setting the record straight, and if you are really bothered by Football talk that's not only Pro-Raider talk, well, we'll just agree to disagree, because I am having an awful lot of fun here!

9:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

OTB,

We can mutually agree to disagree about what it means to be a fan or more specifically a Raider fan. No worries.

Openly admitting that you have a boner for TeBlow on a Raider blog just seems lame. Different strokes for different folks (pun intended!)

I thoroughly enjoy ALL football discussions whether it is centered on the Raiders or our opponents.

11:14 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

...defending a decent leader does not equal wood. Just here, I've learned. Wow!

11:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

01/06/2012 Signed QB Rhett Bomar, DE Hall Davis, DB Curtis Taylor to reserve/future contract


"OTB"...

Don't pay any attention to that little prick...He doesn't regulate anything and is the biggest phoney to ever post here!!!

Than there's Jack who himself has several times pimped both the Chiefs and Broncos for their Ownership/Front Office structure and "Due Diligence" in "HC"-n-"GM" searches!!...Right along with "RT" posting that these 2 teams would be kicking our asses for decades to come...But now they sit in judgement of what a Fan can like or dislike???....Fuckin unreal!!


"I may be dumb, but I ain't stupid. I can tell when folks are trying to needle...OK?

JONES"


"you ain't taking the air out of it, try as you may.

JONES"



LoL!!!...Talk about insecurities and paranoia!!!...

Their our to get you Ha! Ha! Hee! Hee!!

On that phony belligerent high!!!



Scorpio..

You said:

"reggie knew he was coming here and even "helped" al on the side with all these latest "gems" of players we have lately."

Than you said:

"i think hue's days are numbered. reggie's starts right away and just like i mentioned, there are indications that he's gonna put his own stamp on this team."

So why couldn't it be that Hue was also recommended to Al Davis by Reggie???...Why does it have to be that there's this conflict between Hue and Reggie???...Only because some damn "Mediot"s are pimping it??

I don't see any indications that Hue is on his way out after producing the #9 "O" threw all those injuries and the adversity and despite the horrible "D" that was backing him up!!!

This move was so swift that it testifies that is has been in the works for several months if not seasons...It has been documented that Al Davis left behind a plan and all indications are that Reggie was that plan...Further if this was in the works as far back as 2010 when Hue-Jacks was brought in as "OC" there may have even been some support for it by Reggie...Thus also support for his promotion to "HC" and subsequent duties as interim "Head of Football Operations" until Reggie was free to take over???...

I personally see NO evidence what so ever that Hue is on the outs with Reggie or the other way around...Aside from a few rather very stupid "Mediot" speculations just what the hell is it that some our you projectionist are imagining that you see....

PantyRaider...The New Era Based Upon What's Old And Well Established!!!!/_

12:49 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Allot Of Joys And Way Too Many Tears...Way Too Many Tears...The Tears Are Prolley From The Phony Baloney Types...Just Pretenders!!!


Re: Hue....

I have yet to see any indications what so ever of any turmoil between Hue and our new "GM" nor do I understand why there would be any period???

Hue did a decent job in a very very difficult situation as a rookie "HC" with way way too much on his plate....And he would have been a winner had it not been for the undermining of his team by that stupid "DC"!!!...

Even threw all the injuries and adversity Hue still finished this season with the #9 "O" and that's including the poor performance threw the 2-3 games while Palmer was just getting acclimated and during our 2 game slide against Miami and "GB"....A top 10 "O" is nothing to flip your nose up at....When was the last time we had that good of a performance in OakTown???...So how the hell can some get on this "Fire The "HC" BandWagon???...Just beyond me!!

PantyRaider...Disloyalty -n- Prejudice Rooted In Denial!!!/_

1:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bittersweet!

Had the Raiders made the playoffs, we still wouldn't have a GM. Yet, it will be tough watching football this weekend knowing the Raiders were so close....

5:04 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Hopefully with McKenzie as GM, things like letting Asum go won't happen... that was Al's worst business decision last year IMO. With Asum, CJ would have been on the bench, and no way would the second half defensive meltdown happen vs Buffalo... we are hosting Pitts this weekend, and he pays for Asum with that game alone.

Plus how many times was Lito victimized during our late season meltdown?? 40? No need for the agonizing Tampa 2... and now with the possible exception of Checkwa, we are still looking for another CB to replace him... how much does a top free agent cost?

6:58 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I wouldn't mind Moss as DC, but as a reminder, they ARE 32nd in the league in defense... kinda scary.

Worse than Breshnahan statistically.

It almost seems impossible.

7:02 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Dumb-Dumb You forgot to forward this one....I wounder hwy???....Prolley because you know I'm pimping your death and waiting to squat and dump on you memory just the way you have done to Al Davis!!!


Blogger PantyRaider said...

Birth of Judas "The Demon" JONES!!!

http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/abortion-sad-Favim.com-235216.gif

http://www.darkside.ru/band/23/cover/12952.jpg


The Child That Survived!!!

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/771/771538/modoks-mailbag-20070308005448874-000.jpg

4:12 AM

7:29 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Anonymous JONES said...

Cry on Jethro, cry on.....you can't write a million words that can touch me...

LIAR!!!...Than why did you post this:

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Anonymous JONES said...

Just wanted to share the ramblings of a warped individual...courtesy of Jethro/OTB/Charger/Pitt/Pats/Donkey fan.....

PantyRaider said...
Your an invalid Judas Demon JONES because your too damn weak and afraid to get your worthless fat ass up...You have NEVER had it in you to strap it on for anything except drowning yourself in bitterness at the sight of so many others being able to live happy productive lives while you can NOT!!!...

Wasting away in Anonymity insolent in isolation restricted from reality centered in the LIE is what your world holds in store as fantasy after fantasy eludes your every prayer!!!...Abandoned and forgotten while mommy continues to change your soured diaper waiting for that moment of freedom from her toils and relief from your burdensome existence!!!..Unloved and unwanted you searched cyberspace realms for something to crap on to sooth your fading dreams while false promoting yourself clothed in LIES of godliness and TRUTH of which you could obtain neither nor in fact could you stand to see and hear the cheers of those who would have faith and believe in something with hope when you have NONE!!!

Now faced with the reality of your failures you attempt to magnify yourself in a new image of excitement when you have neither the faith nor the continuance to endure such a stand in reality but attempt to project yourself in deception that which is unobtainable to you....STRENGTH!!!

Your weakness is self evident in the shallowness of your attempt to defame that which is so far beyond any imaginable achievement that you could ever possibly pursue even in dreams the likeliness of which so far escapes the realms of your self imposed illnesses of holiness in lies!!!

Sick and bewildered are you abandoned to your pitiful decaying death the conciseness in loneliness that which you have transgressed threw time an eventuality of forever forgotten prayer nary to be remembered as any more than a leach of society the slime trail of which your existence past tense shall forever be swiped from the annals of time!!!

12:21 AM
The guy is BONKERS, so full of hate and sickness...do they have 'mental homes' in Cambodia?

JONES

10:20 AM

7:31 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Only one LIAR/Phony/Imposter/Trader -n- Adversary of the "Greatness of the Raider" and "HateTripper" on Al Davis has continued to post on this board for some what???....3-4 seasons now...Never taking it upon itself to sign in...Now why is that except to be what it is....The LIAR/Phony/Imposter/Trader -n- Adversary of the "Greatness of the Raider" and "HateTripper" on Al Davis...

Quite simply it is what it is...AnnoAss Judas "Demon" JONES!!!

Self projected upon yourself the image of insecurity and LIES!!!!

7:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

A Reminder because some og you don't seem to be able to understand the reality of the NFL???

2nd posting:

While some GMs survived their clubs' coaching changes -- namely the Kansas City Chiefs' Scott Pioli, Jacksonville Jaguars' Gene Smith, Miami Dolphins' Jeff Ireland and Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Mark Dominik -- other teams whacked their GMs without letting go of the coach.

That's the Indianapolis Colts, Chicago Bears and St. Louis Rams.

NOT all "GM"s come in and dictate who their "HC"s and or Coaching staffs will be....That's just NOT the case!!!...Nor do they make wholesale changes to the front office without being given the authority to do so by ownership...

Maybe the problem here is that some of you are getting the "MGP" and "GM" confused...They are NOT the same thing...Reggie will be an employee of Mark Davis NOT ownership!!!...

Furthermore NOT all "GM"s are the same nor do they hold the same position on every NFL franchise...Some are simply "Head of Football Operations"...Others may be President of the Franchise...Chief Executive Officer...Or any number of other descriptive categories with as wide a variety of duties as the job descriptions themselves...

Now as to what Reggie's official title will be and where his authority begins and ends I have NO idea at this point and neither do any of you....Only speculations!!!...Some are educated speculations due to past experience in life but most such as mine are merely shooting form the hip and personal expectations...Lets NOT get carried away with our own majesty and presume to know what none of us know....

Remember that "Cone-o-Silence" is still very well intact and Mark is the son of Al Davis and prolley NOT a rebellious one nor has he waited all this time for his opportunity to take over...To the contrary it appears he's not all ready to pimp himself and somewhat in the background...

PantyRaider....Just A Dose Of Reality!!!/_

8:05 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Threadworthy tale?... So, how did you wind up a Raider Guy anyway? As for me, in my book ~ first off: NFC ball is not football. Dome teams do not qualify, either. That whittles things down a bit. Warm weather teams that win in the cold are better than cold weather teams that win when it's warm. Check. Heavily penalized teams that still win got swagger. Owners that say stick it to the NFL and keep marching are admirable. Organizations that are able to pack up and move, then move BACK, is just cool. When you can sit in "Jack Murphy" out here and still feel at home, amidst the gay powder blue, it's remarkable. And when you're having a great day, and yer guys lose for any reason, it busts you up... you go to the Dr. and he runs the tests, and the report comes back same as always... yep, that's right, even though you're from the east coast, your blood is black. Silver and black. My greatest memory was seeing the LA Raiders close out the season beat the Elway and the Denver Broncos two weeks in a row, last game of the season and then win the 1st round Wild card game. Hostetler, Jett, Brown, Long... we'll be baaack...

8:06 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

One(Jethro/OTB/Charger/Pitt/Pats/Donkey) fan flew over the cuckoos nest. You are living proof that Meth is a very harmful drug. What parking lot did you sit in all nite and 'trip out' ? The ramblings of a freak, starring, the many personalities of a lost soul....God bless you, Jethro.

JONES

8:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

We did that twice...Once also to the Jets...Won the last game of the season and the 1st rd of the "PO"s when everyone said we would fail...

Just with the hell our "D" hadn't taking that squat on our own turf so we could be playing this day!!!...At least there would be a match-up to pimp instead of this "Tebow" Crap!!!

This is just plain sick!!!

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012010800/2011/POST18/steelers@broncos#menu=depthchart&tab=analyze

8:42 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Fuck Your Blessings!!!

8:43 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

With all the nonsense written about what is happening in Raiderville...it makes me laugh that a certain 'few' are still pining for the last 9 years. Crying that it will be run in the same fashion, just different names. They think that the 9 seasons we have witnessed were perfectly fine and it should continue down that path. Claiming that if you don't agree with how the Raiders were run, that you aren't a real fan. Again, what is the definition of insanity? Jethro, I'm sure you can answer that question, you seem to be the most qualified to answer it.

JONES

8:50 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Once again, Jethro/OTB/all your other alias.....God Bless You and may the Good Lord shine on you and help you through this difficult time in your life of confusion and drug habits.

JONES

8:53 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Sign in? Why? How many sign in names do you have? Has it helped this board that you sign in? I would have to say NO. Agent Orange? That would be your Donkey name, right? Then you have OTB, the "football fan", then there is the underagedpantyraider persona that is just batshit crazy. I'm sure there is a few more..."signing in" obviously doesn't restrict you to one name, so what is the difference? May God Bless you, Agent Orange, God knows you need it.

JONES

9:00 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

panty - that statement was a joke. don't take that to seriously...

:o)

9:04 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Panty, yup, but this was my reference year: 1994
January 2—In front of a sellout crowd of 67,800 at the Coliseum, the Raiders overcome a 17-point fourth quarter deficit to beat Denver, 33-30, in overtime to qualify for the playoffs for the 18th time. January 9—The Raiders, in front of another sellout at the Coliseum, beat Denver for the third time during the 1993 season in the AFC Wild Card Playoff, 42-24. January 15—The Raiders, playing in sub-zero temperatures in Buffalo, narrowly lose to the Bills, 29-23, falling one win short of the AFC Championship Game. I believe this year can be like that one...

9:21 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

panty, i meant the statement about the "gems"

9:21 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

93-94 season... I watched that whole Raiders Bills game standing up outside in the rain on a 12" security monitor, and I'm still bitter.

11:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

Can you believe this putrid case of paranoia???...That fucken idiot thinks your me or I'm you???

-----------------------------------
Anonymous JONES said...

Once again, Jethro/OTB/all your other alias.....God Bless You and may the Good Lord shine on you and help you through this difficult time in your life of confusion and drug habits.

JONES

8:53 AM
---------------------------------

That is a definite case of mental deficiencies...Paranoia...Suffering from "The gods make me do it" complex of denial in hate while looking for anything he can twist into his belligerent unrealistic NFL fantasy...

Judas Demon JONES!!!

I don't believe in your fucken demonic gods nor do I accept hypocritical blessings form some putrid pieces of low life shit like you!!!...And NO I would ask for your forgiveness but do proclaim:

May You Rot And Burn In Hell!!!....LIAR's Will NOT Inherit The Kingdom!!!

1:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Then you have OTB, the "football fan","

LoL!!!....That Freak is really a LollyPop!!!

1:29 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio...

No problem...I was just further pimping the idea that it's posible that Reggie and Hue can/will work together...

But be careful about having a conversation with me....That weirdo will think I'm you or your me???...Signed in incognito!!!

While he's the one who has conversations with himself and his AnoAss shadows while he thinks no one will notice!!!...

He makes far too many mistakes and posts his traits out of both caricatures...But what can be expected except for the Avatar to be as dumb of a LIAR as the Schizo who portrays them!!!

1:36 PM  
Blogger CutThroat said...

Yes this is me as a result of some time past when my log in was lost so I resorted to this instead...Than finally I got my name back and discontinued the use...But everyone knew it was me and I asked "RT" why this wasn't working...I still signed off as "PantyRaider"!!!/_...Go fucken look!!!

1:49 PM  
Blogger AgentOrange said...

This one is a "Joke" Name that I used to post with that "Donkey!!!...It's conected to a mail box that I still use and when I forget to close it out before I post here I end up with that name...But every freakin time you will see that I have signed off as usual...PantyRaider!!!!/_....

Go fuckin look!!!...And that's why you know it's me!!

NOT like some schizo Paranoia LIAR Freak who's having weird conversations with himself threw his many shadows!!!

1:54 PM  
Blogger AgentOrange said...

And NO one on that "Donkey" board takes this name seriously...They know it's a JOKE right from the start...

Ya know come to think of it even a bunch of damn ignorant "MuleHead"s who suffer form "Low Oxygen Syndrome" are exhibiting more intelligence than that putrid ass paranoia schizo Freak LIAR Judas Demon JONES!!!

At least they have enough intelligence to look at that pic...Avatar...And know it's a freakin JOKE!!!

2:00 PM  
Anonymous JJ Cowboy said...

I'm not even a raider fan but found this stuff after doing a search on my name. I'm just amazed that someone or something could be that dumb. Please show a little decency. First don't use God in vain the way you do. He is not one to be mocked. And second don't abuse my name. There are many very nice men who were given the name Jones that don't want to be associated with this kind of behavior.

2:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

NO Judas Demon JONES!!!

Hue Ain't On His Way OUT!!!

As per "J-Mac"...

Could be a re-interview for Hue

Didn’t see the ESPN report where Chris Mortensen speculated Hue Jackson could be moved aside by new general manager Reggie McKenzie in favor of Green Bay defensive assistant Winston Moss. It was picked up by Profootballtalk.com and apparently was said over the air because ESPN hasn’t seen fit to give it a headline on its Web site.

The PFT headline reads “Reggie McKenzie will have the power to fire Hue Jackson” . . . of course he does. McKenzie doesn’t take the job otherwise. He has been a candidate for GM before and it was a matter of time before he got hired. There’s no way he accepts any job without the ability to hire and/or fire his coach.

The fact is, once McKenzie came aboard, Jackson was essentially re-interviewing for the job he got a year ago. While GMs like the idea of hiring their own guy, don’t discount the fact that Jackson has some distinct advantages over an outside candidate and McKenzie knows it. He’s passionate about the organization, knows the roster and already has been implementing a system of offense for the past two years.

He already started the process of rebuilding it for Carson Palmer, who will be the quarterback for the foreseeable future.

It’s just as easy to speculate Jackson will be retained as it is to assume he’ll be dismissed. He’s got one of 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and it’s not like he’ll be in great demand for another if he butts heads with McKenzie over power. It’s more likely he’ll get on board with McKenzie and relish the opportunity to coach the team and work with someone who will rebuild the infrastructure of the organization.

Bottom line is it’s McKenzie’s call, but a lot of this is up to Jackson and his willingness to work with the general manager rather than feel he has been stripped of power. Following the Green Bay model, McKenzie will stay out of Jackson’s way when it comes to on-field stuff. Mike McCarthy has input with the Packers but ultimately it’s Ted Thompson’s call when it comes to player acquisition, the draft, contracts, etc.

As much as Jackson was willing to take on more within the organization, as he said following the season-ending loss to the Chargers, the McKenzie hiring could be the best thing that could have happened for his career. It’d be better for the organization if McKenzie gives Jackson at least a year to maintain a semblance of continuity unless he thinks they simply can’t work together.


Yup!!...Hue is here as is the RaiderWay with new things being implemented...Mainly according to intelligence reports the restructuring of both the Personnel Dept and the Scouting Dept...NOT the take over of the Raider Franchise nor the dismantling of the Front Office!!!

Mark will continue to be the Ownership and Amy will continue to be Chief Executive Officer and you can expect folks like Jim Otto and many others to still be aboard that Raider Ship...

Reggie is an added assets NOT the new dictator of the empire!!!...His name ain't Cesar!!!

3:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

JJ Cowboy....

Please don't take me too personal...I differentiate between phony gods and the real God...That idiot is a liar who tries to pimp himself as "Godly" when we all know that "Godliness" and LIAR don't mix!!!...

So I reject a blessing from something so tainted the same way I reject a blessing from some Buddhist here in Cambodia or Thailand...In fact the same way I reject a blessing if I sneeze...That's old superstitious belief that it's caused by the demons tickling you nose and I don't need a blessing from anyone who would believe and pimp such stupidity!!!

But your prolley right that it's not favorable the way I approach it...But usually it's as "gods" or as "gad dumb" or something of that nature...And for the record the commandment not to use God's name in vain is NOT speaking about the word "God"...That's NOT his name...It's just a tittle and it's also written that there are many gods!!!...Satan is the god of this world...So how the hell am I condemned for using that perverted god title in vain???

PantyRaider...I'll Just Pray For His Death!!!/_

3:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The OnlyThing Good In That Moss As "HC" Speculation Is If Brought On Board As "DC" Assistant "HC"...

Now you get to see what Moss can do with a “D” and what Hue can do with a team when the “D” is NOT selling him out…But Hue would also know that his replacement is already on his staff…This may have also been the reason we didn’t go after Moss this season…Hue was against it???…

But now we reenter the same waters of a “HC” who doesn’t have say over his own “D”…The “GM” does!!!…Funny how the things that some bitched about so strongly when Al Davis was alive come back to bite the ass!!!

Al Davis brought Bresnahan back reportedly as a man he could trust but didn’t give him a title of specific job on the “D”…Some speculation at that time was he would coach "LB"s…Than Hue said after seeing him at work signed off on him being the new “DC”…As such it should also have been Hue who fired his worthless ass…

The thing that I find so funny is all the little trifles over us having a “Lame Duck” “HC” who couldn’t have a say about the “D” or hire/fire his own staff…Than as soon as a new “GM” is brought in all the talk goes to NOT letting Hue hire or fire his own staff….Go figure???…Just seems a little weird if you ask me…

PantyRaider...Bash Al Davis And Pimp Reggie McKenzie For The Same Acts...."Intellectual Honesty"!!!!/_

3:27 PM  
Anonymous JJ Cowboy said...

P Raider

Perhaps we should speak off thread. I have worked with several individuals and helped them become more enlightened. I'm sure I could help some of you also.

Jones your welcome to join us as well. If we can find some common ground perhaps these unfriendly situations can be put to rest.

JJ_Cowboy@yahoo.com.au

3:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I wonder how Palmer feels about sitting home this season and watching his old team in the "PO"s??...Rooting for them to lose or to win???....Prolley lose...

I can just imagine how it must feel to all the Raiders who have to look at that damn stupid "Armless ASS" playing in our place!!...What a fucked up situation this is!!!...Bastards lose 3 in a row and stink in the process but manage to take the West...Hell I would have rather seen "SD" playing...At least they would present a match-up!!

Well the Raiders' "D" prolley don't have a right to fell anything sense their the ones who squandered that opportunity!!!

PantyRaider....Please Football Gods Bring Us Moss!!!!/_

4:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

JJ Cowboy....

Your just an illusion in "CyberSpace" so why the hell would I or anyone else for that matter feel a need to contact you for your freakin help???

NOT even a Raider Fan and pimp this dumb ass crap???...What the hell do you do fly around the "CyberSphear" looking for companions to squelch your loneliness???...

Just where in AusiLand are you???...Way out in the "Out Back" so far removed form social interaction that your "Jones-Sing" for companions???


LoL!!!...But please take that dumb ass Judas Demon JONES with you...Throw'em on the back of a Kangaroo and send'em galloping off to la-la land!!!

But hay that was funny and made me laugh so please don't hold back...But we may as well get in the circle right here and hold hands singing "Um-Ba-Ya" or what ever it is that's popular in the "Out Back"...

How about "Waltzing Matilda"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1HlG4ZqAuk

PantyRaider...The "Circle-o-Tears" Awaits You!!!/_

4:23 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Before Jones gets wood about the Corkran article saying Hus has to reinterview...

....quote...

One of the sources said, "Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there's a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801

4:58 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Further... There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I'm not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I'm hearing. I realize you can't always trust your source, but in this case, I'm positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.

Awwwww poor Jones.

5:03 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Panty... yeah... skimmed over that... hes a lil co.fused... so, I dont read Jones at all. JJ Cowboy... yer right... thats the only thing I like about Tebow... God First, career second... Peace Out.

5:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

And the Raiders' Beat Writer backs that up NOT that ESPN "Mediot" Crap...

CSN Bay Area reported that "three sources close to the team" said Jackson will remain with the team and that "Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip." Jackson has helped improve a moribund offense in two years, the first year as offensive coordinator.

Moss, the Packers' linebackers coach since 2006, interviewed for the Raiders' vacant head-coach position in 2009, but the job went to Tom Cable.


But as expected Judas Demon JONES will always gravitate toward and support the LIE....That's just what LIARS do!!!

10:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

Still pimping your boy Tebow???....Do you really think he has a chance in HELL (Pun Intended) tomorrow???....LoL!!!

As for "JJ" he's a trip...Kinda funny and made me laugh..Must be a "CowGirl" fan...Gutsy though to leave his email so not afraid of being a target...That dude is prolley for real unlike the "Imposter" who pretends to be everything in the LIE!!!But I'm always cautious when it come to "Enlightenment"...Never really know the source and would hate to catch something I can't get rid of...One Demon on the board is enough!!!...


As far as you writing me off as dead, Jethro....don't you know, we never die... and if I go before you...I'll find you and make sure the rest of your days are full of torment, even more than the torment you live with daily, TODAY. So you better hope that I stick around a while longer, cause I'm coming for ya, tough guy.

JONES

Yikes!!!....Now if that ain't Demonic than just what the hell is it???

10:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

While some fools may suffer from "Premature Ejaculation" in celebration of the "New Raider Way" the rest of us can relax in confidence that that which has always been shall now continue on threw the offspring of the "GodFather" with a few of his own twists added in...

After all Mark is his father's son is he not??...Groomed since infancy for this eventuality...

Amy has cut her teeth on that "Old Raider Way" and seems quite apt at living on in it...

John Madden who is on all accounts from that "Old Raider Way" and very loyal to Al Davis was conducting the interview to bring back Reggie as our new "GM"...

With so many like Jim Otto in our Front Office who are very loyal to Al Davis why would anyone expect wide spread wholesale changes and dithering from what has been the long established "Pirate Manta" of "Take What You Want!!!"...And damn the rest if they don't like it!!!

Reggie was a late rd Davis pick who learned under the old Raider Way…He than learned under the “GB” system which was run by an X Raider who learned it under the old Raider Way too…Al Davis then left behind a short list of who was to run the show…Reggie is that man…So hand picked by Al Davis himself….So make NO mistake about it this move is still very much with Al’s hand on his franchise and I don’t expect Al’s son to dither much from his father’s themes…

So happy be all those who love the Raiders and The "Old Raider Way"...

Be damned and off you go all who be the "Mutinous Dogs" as your "Post Depression" sets in....But that's what "Premature Ejaculation" leave you with...Unfulfilled dreams that you weren't able to achieve!!!

Just lost in another "Wet Dream"!!!!

PantyRaider....Truly A Day Of Days In The Beginning Of The "Year of The Raider"!!!/_

11:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

LoL!!!...

Just can't quit laughin!!....

Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!!!!!!

Meanwhile the tears flow in La-La Land as that "Criers Circle" drowns themselves in grief!!!

12:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well in retrospect there's one change in the air that I readily notice...

Under that "New Raider Way" the murmurings of the "Mutinous Dogs" and damn ignorant "Mediot" Liars are swiftly put to rest from under that "Cone-o-Silence"!!....

2 points off starboard bow...The fog has thinned and the Gloom has lifted and the glorious sun is shining threw....And look....A fresh breeze that Autumn Wind has become!!!...Lead us into battle it shall...

Be hardy mates we have the weather helm in our favor!!!

PantyRaider....Sailing Away On That Glorious Raider Sea!!!!/_

12:17 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders | Hue Jackson will remain coach

Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:56:51 -0800

Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson will remain with the team and be the head coach next season.


Yup!!...Those of us with a brain already knew this to be true!!!

5:02 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Panty, ...nah, no need to pimp Teebs, media has gone way overboard on that... fanatically, at that. Nuff said.

Glad Hue is still on board with Moss coming over. Perhaps that can steer the ship back in a position to fire it's cannons at will, with consistency this time. A Palmer synch in the off season can bring the squad to dominate.

Really missing Raider wildcard ball... And hey, if the Mayans were right, well, there won't even be another superbowl! Hahaaahaha! Later...

8:48 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

panty,
you're right. it was al's call and a good one. i might also point out that the packer organization didn't start it's winning program until ron wolf left us to join them. that was also around the time we started our playoff drought. correct me if i'm wrong with that statement but ron wolf did scout most of the players on our superbowl teams.

i also want to point out that it shows the class of the packer org to let reggie go out with style so he could start his new job immediately. i believe most teams would have said "screw you, you wait 'til the end of our season, or even until then to interview our staff for potential job".

perhaps ron wolf also had some input there. bottom line is, we got the guy we need. in looking at the last loss, it furned out for the better i think. most of us are extremely happy if not elated for this selection of GM and i can't wait for training camp!

9:10 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

While ESPN and the other blabbers are saying that Hue Jackson is certainly on his way out, the reports coming from inside the Raider organization are saying that the McKenzie is very happy to have Jackson and Jackson is very happy to have McKenzie. Both already know each other well and have the same agent.

I'm sure this information will cause JONES to be upset. However, the way I look at it, Jackson is the best offensive coach we've had since Gruden left. And whatever you think you might glean from watching the eyes of the players on the sideline during our final loss, the players, as a body, routinely praised Hue Jackson. The look on the players faces during that game may have been disgust regarding their own performances, and perhaps Bresnahan was the coach who lost them.

I anticipate that McKenzie will do everything he can to retain the Raider starters for next season. He will then go looking for greater depth, and I'm confident that Jackson and McKenzie can find that depth.

I still believe that there will be discussions with Moss to bring him over as DC. However that can't happen until GB has completed their SB run.

I'm getting excited. When do OTAs start? I want to skip over Baseball and Basketball to get back to this.

9:49 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Raiders are steeped in tradition and should never lose sight of that tradition. However, the NFL is performance based; to wit, the Raiders have grossly underperformed for the last nine years... and by unmatched measures.

Thus, change is much needed and inevitable.

If McKenzie does his job well, the Raiders will grow from being a mom-pop business into a 3/4 billion dollar organization... no easy task.

It's this thought that keeps from from being really pissed off about not watching the Raiders play today.

9:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio...


Even a negative can bring about a positive...So true...Getting Reggie now is really kool...

And yes I totally agree that "GB" is a class act...Now I hope they make that 2nd "SB" "V" and I'm pulling for them all the way...

Thanks Pack!!!


"OTB"...

If Moss also comes over I will be ecstatic...He's who I was pimping last season as "DC" to replace that "Marsh<Mallow"...Than the 3-4 or a hybrid would be in order with lots of "M-M" Press the way "GB" runs it...

PantyRaider...What Dreams Are Made Of!!!/_

9:54 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

Ya suppose Jones' "Excitement" trip has already run dry???....LoL!!!...He'll no doubt already be turning on Reggie for letting his sick dreams down...Ha!! Ha!!...

Wonderful day in the Nation!!

"NYR"...

Move forwards and win yes...There will no doubt be several subtle changes and perhaps a few dramatic changes while preserving who we are as a team...

I think most will agree that the "D" is the area which needs the most transition...Back to our roots in the 3-4 playing lots of "M-M" Press coverages with properly instilled and run Zones mixed in the way "GB" does it would be supper!!!...At least in my imagination...

Than the other areas in need of attention are where Reggie has dome most of his work...Scouting -n- Personnel...No doubt those departments will get a major facelift aiding in the Draft and "FA"/Trades...

PantyRaider...Way Too Excited For Any "Doom-n-Gloom!!!!/_

10:05 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I have heard there are two things in the works regarding the team for next season. The team MAY switch to a 3-4, although that is as yet uncertain and it depends on the new DC.

Also, Huff will move from FS to CB. I've advocated that for about three years now, and I'm glad they are finally doing it. We have other good FSs, but we're real short on good CBs.

I think we might see Branch move from SS to FS, and Mitchell move into the regular SS position. I think that was the long term plan to begin with.

10:09 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

blanda, i thought we were'nt gonna hear from you until july... did this hire and the latest developments change your mind? just kidding buddy! ;o)

10:56 AM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Mr. Mark Davis, thank you for a decisive yet commendable decision to hire a GM who will rebuild our storied franchise into a great contender once again. May this new legacy erase the past 9 years of futility and once again correct the pirate ship’s pathway of “Pride and Poise.” “The Will to Win,” as our great late owner Al Davis once said, mustn’t be bred but found within the hearts and minds of players who want to bare the mark of the Raiders Shield. It is out of this tradition that Mr. McKenzie will change the culture with certainty yet with surgical precision and build the next great Empire. To which the entire Raider Nation will proudly wear this phrase from Al Davis, “You don’t adjust, you dominate.” May this new era of Raider football bring us back the Lombardy Trophy!

11:01 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

There is a great chance that the NFL championship games will feature THREE teams ranked:

32nd (GB)
31st (NE)
24th (NO)

in total defense.

Thats CRAZY!

11:54 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Those teams also feature the three best QBs in the NFL.

More proof that it's a QB league.

An elite QB can make up for a marginal defense.

12:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sorry, but the Raiders problems over the past nine seasons goes much deeper than the 2011 defense.

Let's just say, McKenzie has his work cut out for him.

12:56 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I truly believe that the 2012 Raiders offense will be an elite unit. The defensive side of the ball needs to be improved to a competent level and we are in business.

I'm looking forward to McKenzie's press conference on Tuesday.

1:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR,

The beauty of hiring McKenzie is that he is only 48 years old. Yes, he has a ton of work ahead of him and 2012 will be very challenging from a personnel standpoint. However, it is exciting to think about McKenzie building a team for long term success and stability.

1:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"....

"More proof that it's a QB league."

Just all the more reason why it was paramount to go after Palmer the way Hue did and also for Al Davis to have made his very last pick also a "QB"....My boy Pryor in the Sup-Draft just as I predicted!!!

The question is why you find it so damn difficult to give the credit to Al Davis for the hire of Reggie McKenzie???...Or do you actually NOT believe it was orchestrated according to his very own plans as carried out by his son and "CEO" along with Adviser John Madden???...All of whom were appointed by Al Davis himself to carry this matter out to fulfillment...

If you go look this team is still listed as owned by the late Al Davis on their official website...It's still very much under the hand of the late Al Davis even today and yet your so resistant to giving credit where credit is most definitely due...

No doubt due to that disrespectful animosity that you have harbored against the man for so long now...2 seasons??...3 Seasons of bitterness???

How do you justify such obsessed conduct???

1:12 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

For starters, Carson Palmer needs to outperform Jason Campbell. Once he does that, we can talk about whether he's elite enough to warrant the extra draft picks.

Right now, I'm guessing that McKenzie wishes he had the picks.

As for giving Mr. Davis the credit he's due (both good and bad), I've been very consistent on that front, no matter how you want to spin it.

1:21 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

I think part of the reason for those very low "D" stats is that the "O"s are so good that every team is forced to play all out reckless football to try and stay in the game or make a come back...Therefor that "D" is constantly under siege from the very 1st snap to the last...

Just my perspective...If they weren't so powerful on "O" many of their game would feature the normal situations where "O" are trying to run out the clock and preserve a "V"....

PantyRaider....NOT That They Would Be Top 10 "D"s But Have Better #'s!!!/_

1:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Bull Shit!!!...You have failed to give one oz of credit to Al Davis on this entire thread!!!...But you have pointed out what you perceive to be his errors by implying it in this:

"it's time for the Raiders to take a holistic, ground-up, visionary approach to building the team. It's time to pave a new Raider Way."

"Our defense is loaded with high-priced veterans and lofty draft picks"

Now I'm still waiting to hear it from you that this "GM" hire was under the guidance of Al's own hand...Or do you deny that to be the fact???

1:29 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I have no idea how the succession was mapped out. From what I understand, his passing was pretty sudden. If he had the foresight to have McKenzie picked in advance, then well played.

I've given Mr. Davis plenty of credit, and I've been very consistent. I've never been one to deny his firm hand on our defense, drafting and coaching staffs. So when the team began to improve, he got all of my credit for it.

By the way, I don't think he'd have pulled the trigger on Palmer at that cost.

1:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Your unaware that Al Davis left behind a mapped out plan of what to do after his death???

A short list of candidates to bring in as "GM"???

A stipulation that Madden was to serve as adviser in this situation???

Training given to Hue so he would know how to proceed with football operations??...Remember how Hue sat at his right knee and learned this???

Do you remember about the help that Al Davis said he was going to bring in but later that man was not yet free or not yet ready???...But from all appearances that man was prolley Reggie who was aware of this for quite some time???

That Al Davis and others on the inside were aware that Al's time was very short and he was suffering from heart failure already???...

That this proceeded so quickly further demonstrates that it was already in the works???...The way that "GB" has been on board so quickly to let Reggie go so early????

Are you saying you were unaware of any of this???

Well do you even read this board???...It's all been posted right here!!!

1:59 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

To the degree that there was a succession plan in place, good for the Mr. Davis and the Raiders. Anything less would be unexpected.

Hopefully, one of the stipulations in the plan was to fire Bresnahan and considering firing Jackson if he didn't win more than eight games.

2:07 PM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

From Jerry Mc

Keeping track of Hubert....


Charley Casserly of The NFL Today on CBS said he spoke with both Jackson and his agent, and that Jackson has not been fired. Casserly said Kennard McGuire, the agent for both Jackson and new general manager Reggie McKenzie, told him McKenzie “planned to come in this week and evaluate the entire organization.”

Jay Glazer of The NFL on Fox reported McKenzie was to meet with Jackson Monday and that it was his feeliing Jackson would remain as head coach.

The Raiders made no announcements Sunday and aren’t expected to say anything until Tuesday, when McKenzie is introduced at a 2 p.m. press conference.

2:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"!!!

Just as I would expect!!!

"Anything less would be unexpected"

"Hopefully, one of the stipulations in the plan was to fire Bresnahan and considering firing Jackson if he didn't win more than eight games."


You can certainly show your sarcasm and contempt but fail to give the honor and credit that the man has earned!!!

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I never post here I know you are an Al Davis admirer and always have been so if Panty or anybody else says different we know the score....

I am so glad that Madden is taking the time to help Mark Davis with all that is going on with this organization, it amazes me that Madden being such a busy man has the time to do this....Thank you John, I guess that just like us loyal fans you are a true RAIDERS FAN for life.

3:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Nice!!!....The AnnoAss Shadow pats "RT"s booty!!

3:20 PM  
Anonymous jersey raider said...

I think we should go after Spagnola fo d.c. Let Hue keep the head coach title but give Spags full control of the d. This would be comparable to how it was when Hue had control of the offense. Open up the wallet. Pay for someone who's capable. It wasn't that long ago that our d was our strong point. There's no reason it can't carry it's weight again with the right leadership.

4:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

Your Boy Won???

What up with that "D"????

Was that Bresnahan coaching today???

5:12 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

OK, ONLY since Panty asked, I actually did no football watching until the 4th qtr of that debacle, and was really hoping for a Steel Crush. I have no analysis of the game, other than I wished it were a nightmare and the Raiders really beat the Steelers in OT, just like that... so, what happened, was it really a Donkey victory? Wow, miracle. ;)

5:53 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

...WHY ARE SO MANY TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HUE BEING FIRED? IT'S NOT ABOUT HUE...

6:06 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Quite frankly, I sincerely wish there were more opportunities to give credit to players, coaches, and management.

Fair or unfair, I typically associate doling out credit to someone directly involved with impacting a winning record/playoff season.

When the franchise hasn't posted a winning record in 9 consecutive seasons, there shouldn't be a lot of credit to dole out.

I am hopeful that our new GM will be instrumental in a new era of winning, championship caliber football.

6:56 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I agree.

7:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Did somebody sneeze?

JONES

7:42 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Spot on, Jack.

If the deal was done before Mr.Davis passing, why did the deal need John Madden to help bring it together? And Ron Wolf being implicated as helping out?

Jethro, the way Mr.Davis passed was the same thing that happened to myself, Cardiomyopathy, it is a sudden death and is not expected. To say that Mr.Davis is controlling what is happening from another world....if McKenzie was Mr.Davis' orders in his Will, why wasn't McKenzie working for the Raiders a few years ago? If the Org was to be run correctly, McKenzie would have been in Alameda a long time ago. The franchise will be run in a different matter, get used to it.

JONES

7:54 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

different 'manner'

my bad

JONES

7:57 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

The people that whined that Al fired too many coaches also whined if we didn't fire a coach (on any given Sunday). The people that whined St. Gruden wasn't retained, now want Hue fired after he had the exact same record after one year. The people that whined Cable was fired now want Hue fired with the same record and tons of more key injuries (McF, Campbell, Shaun.. perhaps our three best players.)


Lets change this to "Raider Whine"?

It was a tough year.

Our offense is set.

Improve the defense.

Not a tough task (gosh, maybe thats why we will see players/coaches flock here soon.)

Relax people...

8:03 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Gary, I've been out of patience for years.

You've been here every January for years preaching patience.

Guess we just look at things differently.

Al Davis didn't fire too many coaches. He hired too many wrong coaches, necessitating their firing.

The only firing I didn't agree with lately was Cable, but that was only because he met reasonable expectations given his skill set and experience. If he was going to get fired for meeting reasonable expectations, then hiring him in the first place and then retaining him for a second year made no sense to me.

8:19 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If you look closely enough...there is a reason why most teams have a HC, a OC and a DC, as well as a ST coach. The HC overlooks the all aspects of the team. All those who think Hue deserves another year is usually preaching about what he did for the Offense. When it came time for Hue to do SOMETHING about the Defense, he did nothing. He stood by and watched a futile Defense continue to be futile. Then he lambasted those who he did nothing for. This is the major complaint. A true HC would have intervened and try to correct the problems, that's what a true HC does. So Hue showed no ability to do it. He showed no ability to stop the team from setting a record of dumb penalties. These are things a HC must do, Hue didn't. Why should the Raiders give him another season to see if he can be a HC and not just a glorified OC? When he showed he couldn't or wouldn't do it? If the HC has these questions and you know the players see it....I'm sure many of the players were wondering why Hue did nothing to change what was happening on the D side of the ball. A big question remains about Hue.

JONES

9:46 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

How many years are you comfortable with "relaxing"? being patient? Sorry that ship sailed a few years ago. Fortunately, with the new hiring of GM McKenzie, I feel to some degree that what's happened in the past is water under the bridge as we embark on a new era.

9:51 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

totally agree Calico... It's not just optimism either, there is legitimate reason for things to pop, and I'm excited. Time for a new stadium too!

10:11 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"the same thing that happened to myself, Cardiomyopathy, it is a sudden death and is not expected"

Your Dead already than!!!...Get the fuck behind me "DemonSeed"!!!!

12:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"the same thing that happened to myself, Cardiomyopathy, it is a sudden death and is not expected"

Your Dead already than!!!...Get the fuck behind me "DemonSeed"!!!!

12:06 AM  
Anonymous jersey raider said...

otb, it is about hue because, say what you want about him but, i have a hard time believing that the d would have fallen apart like it did under cable. cable, for better or worse, is a tough sumbitch and our d reflected that. hue deserves to control the o but bring someone else in and give them the d.

12:56 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Nathan Yuen
elvesandplums Nathan Yuen
@
@RealJRock2

If u just showed that u cared and tried ur best, Nation would understand. Instead u continue to blame the raiders for ur actions



30 Dec
in reply to @elvesandplums ↑
Jamarcus Russell
@RealJRock2 Jamarcus Russell
@elvesandplums

I'll respond because you're so persistent. I don't fully blame the Raiders for what happened, most of it was MY fault...

2:57 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders | New GM mulling a coaching change
Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:06:59 -0800

New Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to keep head coach Hue Jackson, according to league sources. Agent Kennard McGuire, who represents both men, has denied that Jackson would be let go. McKenzie is contemplating whether he should bring in his own coach, despite the relationship with Jackson.


"according to league sources" as in WHO!!!....Fuckin Demon JONES!!!!

8:41 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

It seems to me that the Hue should be fired crowd is the same one as the retain Tom Cable crowd. The logic that is forwarded is that if Tom Cable was fire for 8-8, so should Hue. Someone also said that Tom's defense was much better. That's nonsense. We had a pretty good offense in 2010 - because of Hue. We lost games primarily because of our defense.

You might be able to argue that if Davis fired Cable, than he should fire Jackson as well. Well, maybe he should. I'll write him a letter. Can anyone tell me to where I should mail it?

Also, in the tradition of short term memories around here, some folks seem to have forgotten that Cable was fired for more than 8-8. Does the name Hanson ring a bell? Do allegations of spousal abuse ring any bells? I guess not.

Regarding firing DCs in the middle of the season, it rarely happens. Who would Hue have appointed? Biekert? Waffle? Or should he have called the defense himself? And what should he have done, mid season, about replacing a coach? Check the waiver wire? Hue fired his DC at the end of the season which is when these things are usually done.

So, regarding Hue's job, it's up to McKenzie, not Al. Al never like it when "yes" men were hired. He liked his people to speak their mind, and back it up with evidence. In that tradition, McKenzie is apparently not a yes man. He's going to make up his own mind, according to his own standards.

In the end, I'm going to support McKenzie's choice. But right now, I don't see that Jackson has done ANYTHING to be fired over. I expect that McKenzie's choice will be to retain Jackson through 2012, and he'll say that tomorrow.

Regarding Davis and his Cardiomyopathy - JONES, I have it too. I know that it's one of those things that manifests itself in midlife, not at the end of your life. It can cause sudden death, but only if not treated properly. It definitely shortens the life span - so by my calculations Davis has had Cardiomyopathy for many years, and he was receiving excellent medical care (as he could well afford) because he lasted into his eighties.

Trust me, Davis was well aware that he was reaching the end of the line. I believe that is why we saw his activity increase so greatly over the last couple of years. He knew he had to get this team right, and he knew he had a limited time to do it.

One of the things known about Davis was his fascination with death. He always wanted to see if there was a way he could beat death. Davis wasn't crazy. He didn't believe he could find a way to live forever. But he did believe there were other ways to beat death. You beat death by designing the plan for continuance after you're gone, and then having loyal people carry it out.

8:52 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"KC" was shunned by McDamnMules so now stay with who they gots???


Crennel officially head coach in Kansas City

Romeo Crennel has agreed to a three-year deal with the Chiefs, according to NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

Well...Where the hell was the "Due Diligence" here in finding the very best man for the job???...NOT a single other prospect was even interviewed....Just a couple invitations that were rejected and than this...



Until That Stadium In LA" Is Finished???

With few options, Chargers will call San Diego home in 2012...Until That Stadium In LA" Is Finished???

The Chargers will remain in San Diego for at least one more season.

On Monday, the team will formally announce they have no intention to exercise an out clause that would allow them to negotiate with other cites or move the team, according to U-T San Diego.

The Chargers’ Qualcomm Stadium lease doesn’t expire until 2020, but each year the team has a three-month window from February through April to explore new options. Chargers general counsel Mark Fabiani said the team’s decision to stay put in 2012 goes back to the Chargers’ goal to remain in San Diego and build a new stadium.


It's all a ploy to hold the city of "SD" for ransom or it's just biting time until another option is finished...Meanwhile they stick with Turner and their "GM"....For how long???....I say their a club in deterioration???

9:01 AM  
Blogger H said...

Gary,

“Most HC's in the NFL would not get the blame for that.

Why is it different with the Raiders?”

It’s not different with the Raiders. Any team that does not meet expectations, the responsibility falls to the Head Coach. That’s why he gets the title and the money. The Head Coach is responsible for the entire team. Offense and Defense. He isn’t Head Coach in Charge of Offense.

Besides, my questions involve a few play calls and clock management issues that I feel cost us a chance at winning. I’m not ready to kick him to the curb yet, but he does need to improve in some areas just like players do.

The bottom line is, head coaches are fired because of their record. Even winning a Super Bowl doesn’t guarantee tenure. Just ask Brian Billick, John Gruden and a few others.

Also:
“The people that whined Cable was fired now want Hue fired with the same record.”

Other than questioning some of his direct decisions, I am in the “Keep Him” camp. I was in the “Keep Cable” camp also. But, I did see much more improvement from Cable’s first full year to his second. More improvement than from last season to this. Now, if he stays, which I’m on board with, a one game improvement to 9-7 is unacceptable.

NYRaider,

“H, you'd get your wish to infuse a defense mind to HC.”

Doesn’t look that way for now. But, what I don’t understand is Moss is a linebacker coach and assistant HC. He’s not even the DC in Cheeseland. How does that work? The rumor I’ve heard is that GB wouldn’t let him interview for DC last year and that he was here interviewing for HC. Not sure how that would work either.

Calico,

Interesting dot connecting there.

H

9:08 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here are the three things I believe McKenzie will focus on his first year with the team.

1. He will, with Hue's assistance, look for a new DC and completely reevaluate the defensive coaching staff. (If he decides he wants his own man, he'll cut Hue loose by Wednesday and have a new HC by the end of February. The logistics of this is another reason I feel McKenzie is likely to retain Hue at least through 2012.)

2. He will restructure the scouting department with his own people and according to whatever system he feels operates for him best.

3. He will hit the ground running retaining whatever talent he feels he must retain, and look for much needed depth.

9:19 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, one of the things that must not be overlooked is that McKenzie is going to be a rookie GM. That doesn't mean that he's not going to be a great GM, but it does mean that he'll likely make some rookie mistakes. Just like Hue made as a rookie HC.

One more thing... We, as fans, may not recognize the mistakes McKenzie makes. He may be a rookie GM, but none of us would ever even be considered for GM. There are also those who will accuse him of making mistakes, when all he has done is take a different approach.

And there are those here who will also argue that unless you operate exactly like 31 other teams, you are destined to be a loser.

9:26 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Regarding penalties....

The Raiders set a record this year. But penalties all over the league were way up this year. There were about a dozen new penalties on the books this year.

Further, the Raiders have routinely been in about the top five penalized teams almost every year since the Madden era. So if Hue should be fired for penalties, every Raider coach in history should have been fired for that reason. Especially Madden and Flores.

One of the nice things about the hiring of McKenzie is that he understands this (having played for the Raiders) coming in.

9:35 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

"You beat death by designing the plan for continuance after you're gone, and then having loyal people carry it out."

That was beautifully stated....Wish I had said that...

And yes so true even if some of these baboons refuse to see it or give Mr Davis the credit he obviously has earned and deserves...

Instead they beat the chest in fantasy dreams of losing our identity while going threw massive changes in our franchise...How narrow is the ignorant mind!!!

May I remind you:

(Because you obviously just don't get it)

#1...Ownership is now Mark Davis...The son of one Al Davis who was groomed from infancy to one day fulfill this destiny by his father's own hand...

#2...Amy Trask is still "CEO" and she did NOT just interview her new BOSS!!!...NO...She interviewed and hired our new "GM"...

#3...The term "GM" in the NFL has many different meanings and as yet we don't know the defining elements of the term with respect to the Raiders....But you can bet the highest it will rank is at #3 and prolley much lower...

#4...The basic needs of this franchise with the loss of our "MGP" are in the area's of "Football Operations" NOT "Front Office Management" where both Mark and Amy as well as many others currently reside...

#5...Reggie is a top Personnel Dept/Scouting Dept corporate officer...He is also a top football mind...Evaluator of talent...Former pro "LB" so has a very good "D" understanding as well...

So by my deductions he will be the new Raiders "Head of Football Operations" with the tile "GM"...Of the football team!!!...That's NOT the entire Franchise!!!

There's NO need for him to enter the front office wasting his precious time and energy evaluating every employee who sits at a desk!!!

Now I can only view this from my limited experience in life as an employee with some huge Construction corps....Bechtel/Research Cortrell/Babkok-n-Wilcox/Sterns-n-Rodgers/Morrison Knutesen/Leconby and others who have a central office which would translate to our Front Office and Field offices which would translate to our Football Operations...

Bechtel has it's main office in AZ...I never worked for them there...It was up in Washington or Cali...They than had their field Personnel Dept/Engineering Dept/Quality Assurance-Quality Control Dept under whom I generally worked...These dept operated separately from their main office in AZ and yet still under the control of that main office...All payroll was from the main office as directed from the Field offices...

So I now expect to see something very similar to this with respect to the Raiders and Reggie as "GM"...He will NOT be the new "MGP" and unless Mark takes that type of interest we will never see one again...

So readjust some of your far fetched expectations for the "New Raider Way" according sound judgement and a reasoning mind...Those of you who actually have such a mental capacity...I am fully aware that some DON'T!!!

9:41 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Mr. Davis' document from the hospital;

The document reveals three primary causes of death:

A) Ventricular fibrillation -- a dangerously abnormal heart rhythm
B) Congestive heart failure
C) Cardiomyopathy -- heart muscle disease

According to the death certificate, Al died at the Oakland Airport Hilton at 2:45 AM on October 8th.

The document shows Al had been diagnosed with cardiomyopathy years ago ... and suffered a ventricular fibrillation just 15 minutes before his death. Davis also suffered from Merkel cell carcinoma -- an aggressive form of skin cancer.

According to the doc, Davis -- who was involved with the NFL for 60 years -- underwent throat surgery just three days before his death. Davis also had heart surgery in 1996....



Ventricular fibrillation is a sudden death, this happened to me while I was on 'the job'. I was able to get to the hospital so they could restart my heart with the defibrillater before I was done. Mr.Davis was probably weak from the Op 3 days earlier. The ventricle quivers and no longer pumps blood, giving the person only a few minutes to survive before they pass out and that's it. It is very sudden.

JONES

10:03 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This explains your total mental shutdown and subsequent inability to maintain a simple logical thought!!!


Bloodless Stale Brain resulting in insurmountable brain cell failure with subsequent brain death!!

Yes!!...Now I believe you....For once the picture is clear!!!


LoL!!!

10:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Was that when -n- where you 1st began to have these illusions of grandeur and the ability to speak with the gods giving you sole possession of the TRUTH???

Sounds rather "Demonic to me...Yes it does!!

10:12 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"McKenzie is going to be a rookie GM. That doesn't mean that he's not going to be a great GM, but it does mean that he'll likely make some rookie mistakes. Just like Hue made as a rookie HC"...

18 yrs leading up to this point for McKenzie...Hue, had been an OC 3x's = 1 yr each stint. He was also a QB coach. Hue never once came close to being a HC before this yr, or DC and from his actions this year, he clearly showed a lack of ability at doing anything to change a futile Defense. That is part of a HC's job and Hue failed, miserably. IMO, McKenzie is way more qualified to be a GM than Hue is to be a HC. If Hue is retained, there will be more mistakes from Hue, unless he has someone guide him through the D side of the game.

JONES

10:14 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

So your one of those worthless welfare types!!!

"this happened to me while I was on 'the job'."

So in turn you have bled your employer dry all these season while wasting away in your bitterness as some lazy worthless ass who refuses to get his dumb ass up???

Yes now that picture is very damn clear!!

10:18 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Heartless -n- Brainless all in the same "AniMule"!!!

da Horror!!...da Horror!!!

10:23 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jethro, actually it shows that the Good Lord was with me that day. They were calling me the miracle man at the hospital because I survived V Fib for at least 30 minutes and walked into emergency. They couldn't believe it and it was verified by my co-worker who drove me to the hospital. Without the Good Lord helping me out, I wouldn't be here to keep showing anyone who reads this blog, that you are a complete moron. Aww yes, the Good Lord works in .....by the way, Mr.Davis and myself have something in common, you must be so jealous.

JONES

10:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H - to the best of my understanding, coaches under contract are not inherently permitted to interview for lateral coaching positions, but teams can't block them from interviewing and accepting upward positions, such as assistant or coordinator to HC.

That's what allowed Moss to interview with the Raiders for their last couple HC openings.

Blanda - if Davis fired Cable for the reasons you suggest, he would have (or at least should have) fired him when these issues revealed themselves, i.e., long before the end of the season.

The Davis/Cable relationship had numerous breakdowns, much like so many Davis/HC relationships before it. This, in large part, is why we could never gain any traction for rebuilding the team.

10:26 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I was self employed you dummy, my co-worker was working for me. I paid for my own insurance that I am now covered under until I get a transplant so I can go back to work....I lived through what most people would have surely died from, I am a surviver. Stop showing your jealousy, don't you know a man of God is never jealous of another human?

JONES

10:29 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"So your one of those worthless welfare types!!!"

That would be you Jethro, making your money through your 'disability' and taking it to another country so you could 'marry' a disabled underaged girl so you could collect a welfare check from that country too. You need help son, your soul is completely soiled.

JONES

10:33 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"...unless [Jackson] has someone guide him through the D side of the game."

That's the idea, isn't it?

Jackson made enough mistakes in 2011 to deserve your criticism, but he might be smarter than you think to overcome his shortfalls as a rookie HC.

No question that he needs help above and below him in the organizational structure.... two words that used to form an oxymoron in Raider vocabulary.

10:34 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"I survived V Fib for at least 30 minutes and walked into emergency."

You are delusional or a fucken LIAR!!!

If I put a submission hold on your damn neck your out in a matter of seconds and if I don't release it within a few mins your ass is dead!!!!

There is NO 30 min "Walk-a-Bout" in this life when the blood flow stops...Your fat ass undergoes permanent damage as with a stroke and that NEVER comes back!!!

Brain Dead is not even the beginning of what you are!!!

The gods have saved thee!!!....LoL!!!

Total fuckin delusional!!!

10:38 AM  
Blogger H said...

Blanda,

“You beat death by designing the plan for continuance after you're gone, and then having loyal people carry it out.”

Interesting concept. I was thinking something similar yesterday. Grandson of H and I were goofing around and I realized he has part of me inside him. I’ve taught him a few interesting noises and how to head butt. That’s our greeting every time he sees me. We head butt. So, as a grandfather, I figure I’m doing my job properly.

He’s a man of few words. Well most kids under age of two are I guess. But, he already watches football, and shows a tendency toward my warped sense of humor.

NYRaider,

I understand that. But, my understanding was he could interview for HC not DC. Moss has, as part of his title, Assistant HC. Is that a notch above DC? That’s my wondering. If that’s the case, McKenzie would now need GB’s permission to talk to him about he DC position when their playoff run is over. Dom Capers is the DC, but Moss is the assistant HC.

I believe we have been denied permission to speak to some folks in the last few years. Several teams seeking coaches have.

H

10:38 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Was that when -n- where you 1st began to have these illusions of grandeur and the ability to speak with the gods giving you sole possession of the TRUTH???"

Actually, my relationship with God became at it strongest point when the medication they were giving me, Amiodarone, sent my thyroid into super hyperthyroid. I was working this day also, my Defib went off and it sent my heart into over 500/min. I passed out and the Defib went off again and I woke back up. For 2 yrs, my heart was going into VT and out and my heart rythm was messed up. When the body is being drowned in hormones by the thyroid, it irritates the heart, big time. So I was bed ridden for quite a while and close to death once again. Those who have near death Exp, will tell you that it will bring you closer to God and it did. My relationship has been improving ever since. Thanks for giving me the Op to explain this , Jethro.

JONES

10:43 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jones,

"They couldn't believe it and it was verified by my co-worker who drove me to the hospital."

Next time call 911 man. I had paramedics working on me less than ten minutes after my heart attack started. The got to me less than five minutes after the call.

Co-workers are supposed to obey the traffic laws and they don't have the proper equipment in their back seat to jump start you if something happens.

H

10:45 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Oh Jethro, it's not a lie, it's the TRUTH..your sickness is really shining through...you need help, son, get it.

JONES

10:45 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Next time call 911 man"

Now you tell me....I know, they gave me shit for that at the hospital. My heart just took off, I had gurgling in my lungs (fluid) and I told my partner that I will just sit for a few. It wouldn't stop, so I asked him to drive me to the hospital = 20 min drive in rush hr, Emergency was around back and we got out of the car and walked around the back. There was a side door and we called a nurse and she said thay Emerg was round back, looking back, she really F'd up. The nurse at Emerg took my blood pressure and it was at 0...CODE BLUE. 10 Doc's around me, then I just remember laying there and they said they shocked me back. 2 days later they told me I had to get the AICD put in and my life would never be the same....

JONES

10:52 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"That's the idea, isn't it?"

Well, the unique situation that WAS the Raiders, the 'HC' was just a glorified OC. The real HC was up in the Owners booth. The Raider HC never had to worry about the D, they were told that it would be taken care of. Now that the unique situation is no longer, the HC has to oversee IT ALL, is Hue capable? He didn't show it in the last half of the season, why will it change now? I'm sure McKenzie will want a true HC that can run the whole show, not just the O side of the ball. That is the question of Hue and why he did NOTHING this yr when it was very clear something had to be done.

JONES

10:59 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Also Jethro, I boxed form my early teens to my young 20's. Part of my training was running up hillsides, I continued that up to 2 days before my heart messed up. They told me in the hospital that all the running probably saved my life. I remember 1 run I had a month or 2 before my event. I came home after and told my wife that death was right beside me while I was running. She asked WTF I was talking about. I told her that I felt death was right beside me as I was running, couldn't explain it, other than saying it. The Good Lord was with me 2 days before my event, where I ran, there was nobody around, ever, so if I went down, that would have been it. There is a reason why I am still here......better watch out Jethro, the Good Lord kept me here to straighten you out? LOL

JONES

11:11 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"And there are those here who will also argue that unless you operate exactly like 31 other teams, you are destined to be a loser."

The assumptions just fly out of your posts. I think the argument here was, that if a team is run in the fashion the Raiders were, it is doomed to failure. Thus the quote from Ron Wolf that the structure was broken.

There is a business model that has been a proven winner, in ALL business. There is models that have been proven failures. I think most Raider fans want a structure that is a proven winner, don't you? Or do you want to keep banging your head against the wall waiting for a proven model of failure to succeed? I never liked banging my head against the wall, maybe you do, most don't.

JONES

11:39 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Press conference 2pm Tues Pacific should speak volumes. www.raiders.com live feed. Funny, flipping through the old Raider's football cards... #99 Winston Moss... cool memories.

12:07 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

JONES, whenever you die it's sudden unless you're lingering in the hospital. The point is, Davis knew of his failing health for many years. That doesn't mean he knew the exact moment when it would arrive. You prepare for the inevitable once you understand that the inevitable is now possible.

Also, there are many coaches in the league who focus on one side of the football or the other. That's why they are generally very picky about who runs the opposite side. Hue didn't get his choice for DC. The one he wanted was not available to him.

12:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Judas Your A Fuycken Demon!!...

I have NO desire to have communications with your warped Satanic Influences so you are now X-Communicated @ this point!!!

Click!!!...I don't read you!!!

12:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders | Could be interested in Winston Moss

Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:05:10 -0800

The Oakland Raiders could be interested in Green Bay Packers inside linebackers coach Winston Moss if they decide to fire head coach Hue Jackson.

Source: NFL Network - Jason La Canfora

12:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones -

I don't mean to split hairs with you, but the Raiders defense was inconsistent enough that there was reason to believe they were capable of putting together a good effort into any single game.

Going into the SD game they were coming off a 13-pt game against the Chiefs. Granted the Chiefs are no powerhouse offense, but the Raiders also put together a string of three wins in which the defense was solid (until some soft play at the end of games).

Certainly, the seasonal picture shows the Raiders defense was a failure, but Jackson may have done all he could with what he had.

I wouldn't assume Jackson had the authority to fire Bresnahan. Maybe he wanted to and Mark Davis denied (that would follow a familiar pattern).

Clearly, reports quickly surfaced after the season that Bresnahan was already fired along with most his staff. That seemed consistent with attidudes and/or comments by Jackson.

12:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

All we can do is speculate here and many times that's just shooting in then dark...But to follow your thought:

If Hue was pissed and fired "SuckChuck" -n- half his staff that may have initiated those reports only to have the front office deny that move until after Reggie was brought in???

Again just speculations continuing your thoughts...I have no idea what actually happened...

If now Reggie announces that "SuckChuck" is gone it's not on Hue...We will have to wait to see if anyone else goes but I doubt there's much chance that "SuckChuck" survives...

PantyRaider...Eager To Know!!!/_

1:05 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Hue didn't get his choice for DC. The one he wanted was not available to him"

You keep missing the point...if it's on purpose, then, whatever. If it's because you can't read, whatever.

JONES

1:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I wouldn't assume Jackson had the authority to fire Bresnahan. Maybe he wanted to and Mark Davis denied (that would follow a familiar pattern)."

My goodness....do you not remember that the points I made had nothing to do with FIRING CHUCK?... But, in all the posts, it's the same old, "what could Jackson do, he probably wasn't allowed to fire him". It's not about firing him, if I can suggest, in a nice tone, to go back and look at what the original point was and what Hue could have done without even firing Chuck, OK? The same stereo typical responses with the inability to remember what the points original outline was, is startling. But such is life when trying to communicate with those who can't or won't remember.

JONES

1:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

These are some of the main dept of the Raider organization:

Administration
Amy Trask

Media Relations
John Herrera

Football Administration
"GM"??

Scouting

Now where will Reggie be listed???


There is NO Personnel Dept listed...I suppose that would be team personnel as in players and under the football administration??...

1:30 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Judas Your A Fuycken Demon!!...

I have NO desire to have communications with your warped Satanic Influences so you are now X-Communicated @ this point!!!

Click!!!...I don't read you!!!"

Like I freakin care, you are doing me a favor, thanks.

JONES

1:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones -

What can I say? This isn't my only gig. I don't have the time nor the inclination to go back and look at your previous posts. If you don't feel like reiterating in a simple fashion, that's up to you. I was just hoping to paint Jackson in a little better light, but you are obviously determined to send him walking.

It's quite possible that my senses have been dulled by years of incompetent head coaching, and that Jackson only appears better because of the illusion.

That's why I'm perfectly ok with McKenzie making an informed decision, and I will likely stand behind whatever that decision is.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I want Hue gone because it isn't in the best interest of the team to have a sub par HC. He could be the OC, but he shouldn't be a HC. A HC can quickly identify what is the problem and have a fix in place. It doesn't mean firing, there were things Hue could of done, the last game of the year and the HC allows a defensive gameplan that was the most basic and without imagination possible. Point is, if Hue is going to be that way as a HC, it isn't good enough. I suspect that McKenzie will replace Hue at some point, but who knows when that will be. Because, with McKenzie, it will be about wins and losses and if you aren't good enough, you must be replaced. It isn't about having the same agent or friends or whatever. It's business and that is how I suspect McKenzie will take care of business.

JONES

2:26 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Against SD, Bresnahan created a bad game plan. While he did blitz to put pressure on Rivers, he did not call a game plan that would put that pressure in Rivers' face.

Rivers is the type of QB who you can rattle with pressure and force him into mistakes. But when you are blitzing DBs from the corners, Rivers has plenty of time to make his reads. You have to blitz up the middle and pressure him out of the pocket. This is what I saw as the major flaw in the defensive game plan last Sunday.

It can reasonably be argued that Hue should have seen that, and redirected Bresnahan's course.

However, Hue has always worked on the offensive side of the ball (most coaches do make a career of working one side of the ball), and even last year, when he first had to deal with Rivers twice in one season, that wasn't his focus. Because Rivers did not impact his offense.

Hue has to trust his DC to come up with a sound game plan and to make it stick. Also the D was improving toward the middle of the season. The wheels suddenly completely came off the last month of the season.

What I got from Hue at his last press conference was that he was very displeased with the Defensive coaching, and wanted to make a change. It seems to me that with that kind of animosity, there must have been words exchanged during the course of the season.

As Hue said, he talks to his players and his staff differently than he talks to us. During the season Hue demands that outside criticism be directed at him and him alone. After the season Hue will make his feelings public.

All this adds up to dissension between Hue and the DC, but we don't know to what extent nor precisely what was said.

To make the assumption that Hue did nothing in regard to the defense I think is just wrong. That it wasn't enough is fairly clear. But I don't feel any of it was a fatal mistake for Jackson's coaching career.

I think he'll do better with a new DC. However, if McKenzie replaces Hue, I'm okay with that - EXCEPT that it's another shot in eye for consistency.

All that said, I haven't seen any indication that Hue is going anywhere. I see lots of indication that he's staying right where he is.

We'll know one way or the other tomorrow.

3:23 PM  
Blogger H said...

"I want Hue gone because it isn't in the best interest of the team to have a sub par HC. He could be the OC, but he shouldn't be a HC."

The same thing could have, and may have, been said about Belicheck during his stint in Cleveland. Now Cleveland probably wishes they had given him a little more time.

Sometimes coaches grow into the job. I think he could have done a better job, but it certainly didn't rise to Shell II.

With McKenzie coming in I'm willing to let him decide what he thinks is best for the team. That's his job now.

H

3:33 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

...nice take, Blanda. I watched the game replay... we lost by three bad plays... one of which was poor ONFIELD clock mgt. If we had stuffed Rivers just a FEW times... who knows...

3:43 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Of course the job is McKenzie's, all the power to him in being able to accomplish his goals. Comparing Hue to Belicheck? Nahhh, not even close, H. Bill was known as a very good DC, Hue hasn't really done anything, he was a bust 2x's at OC and was a QB coach. One guy has won 3 rings, the other has gone 8-8. It's like saying Jason Campbell is the next Plunkett or Todd Marinovich was the next 'Snake'. Hue has a long way to go before he could ever be compared to Belicheck.

JONES

3:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I think he could have done a better job, but it certainly didn't rise to Shell II."...

Does it have to fall to "Shell II" levels before you recognize a 'not good enough' HC?

JONES

3:55 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I am guessing that the coaching fraternity in the NFL is small and tight, and if a HC gets a reputation of second guessing and/or meddling with his assistants jobs too much, he won't get much work as a HC, or find it hard to hire quality assistants.

I remember the fights that Ditka and Buddy Ryan had, but I don't recall too many other confrontations in game where the HC got on a DC's ass for not calling the right plays.

I'm guessing their hands are pretty much tied.

4:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I doubt Jackson would ever accept a demotion to remain with the Raiders. There are other teams out there that probably see Jackson as an upgrade to their own head coach... and they'd be right.

In Jackson's defense (sort of), Al Davis always got what he paid for in a HC. He always reached to the bottom of the pay scale in hopes of finding a rare gem. I'd like to believe the jury's still out on Jackson, but in McKenzie I must trust.

As I stated before, hiring a quality GM trumps keeping Jackson, i.e., if that GM decides to fire him.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

If McKenzie decides to retain Jackson as HC for 2012, then hiring a strong, proven leader at DC, IMO, is the most vitally urgent need.

Our defense needs to be reshaped and revamped in a comprehensive manner.

I'm not convinced that Moss is the most qualified candidate on the market for DC.

I would prefer to a hire a DC who is know for putting his stamp on the defensive side of the ball. Immediate names that jump out are guys like Del Rio, Nolan, and Zimmer.

The added benefit of a strong, proven DC is the added pressure for Hue to get his $hit together knowing full well that the DC is a viable candidate to take his job.

7:06 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

So I'm guessing that all the times that Hue said "build a bully" and "we've got a lot of work to do" and "we will get this fixed" all year, he only meant the Offensive side of the ball? Because he wasn't really associated with the D, so how could he be speaking for the whole team? A HC is supposed to make sure that both sides of the ball are taken care of, Hue didn't and those who continue to say that Hue is a top HC are only looking at one side of the ball. On good teams, the HC runs both sides of the ball, the OC and DC are extensions of himself. When an OC or DC is lacking in there job, which Chuck most certainly was , especially after the passing of Mr.Davis, Hue needed to have Chuck change it up or do it himself. Was he qualified to do it himself? If not, he isn't a good HC.

JONES

7:11 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"The added benefit of a strong, proven DC is the added pressure for Hue to get his $hit together knowing full well that the DC is a viable candidate to take his job."

This is not the right approach, this is what was happening before in Raiderville, no more hires as a threat to replace someone who is already there. It becomes dysfunctional and undermines a HC. Hue either has it or he doesn't, McKenzie will evaluate Hue by talking with those within the Org. He will get the players collectively as a their word on him, other coaches and those who have been around the Org during the last yr. He will see how Hue handled coaching without Mr.Davis and how he handled the team down the stretch, Hue staying is not a lock.

JONES

7:17 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Del Rio evidently has guaranteed $$$$ for another season if he sits on his ass so may elect to do so and wait for his opportunity...Prolley in a press box...

One flaw in bringing in that former "HC" as "DC" is that they won't be here long...Prolley because another team will want to hire them away...

A coach like Moss who is a proven candidate also as a player brings with him more potential stability sense he's returning home...Already knows this organization and wants to be here...Although he hasn't been the "DC" yet he has been Assistant "HC" so that counts for something???


"BR"...

I think your breakdown is very logical...As "NYR" pointed out there may have been an attempt to fire and as you pointed out several words already exchanged...There very little doubt that this is no longer a working environment and that's prolley what Reggie will be looking into...

PantyRaider...When The Fog Lifts The Air Will be Cleared!!!/_

10:02 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Since there is about a 50/50 chance of Hue being retained, I thought I'd ask Jones a few simple, honest questions:

Do you think Hue Jackson is capable of growing into the job as HC, learning from his mistakes in 2011, and becoming a more able, competent leader within the newly structured organization?

The reason that I ask is that every HC at one point in time went through his 1st year. I would venture to say that most, if not all, suffered through some trials and tribulations, errors in judgment, etc.

10:13 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Owner

Al Davis

-----------------------------------

This is currently what you see at the Administration Board of Raiders.com...I don't believe this organization has any intent on moving beyond that...I doubt the name Mark Davis will be added there at any time in the near future...It appears that Mark is not at all interested in being in the spotlight or exposed to the damn "Mediot"s...Prooley due to how they have treated his father??

I won't be surprised if it's Amy Trask at the pres-conference introducing Reggie as the Raiders' new "GM"...

So I rather doubt this "newly structured organization" will come to pass...Or what it may even be other than the fragmentation of some bitter fantasy imaginations???

10:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

01/09/2012 Signed RB Rashawn Jackson to a Reserve/Future contract

10:35 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones -

"...those who continue to say that Hue is a top HC...."

I don't recall anybody saying that. Doesn't mean he's not the best option for the Raiders moving forward.

Is Bill Cowher even available.

One thing for sure, if the Raiders intend to replace Jackson with a top HC, they will have to break the bank like they never have before.

4:57 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well...Seems there are other mentally challenged anti Raider types who would like to pimp some of that "Virgin TeButt"..."TeButting" takes on a whole new perspective!!!

This crap was thrown at me for defending the release of Cable the "Whore Beater"....

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You're going to argue that Tebow isn't a moral/model citizen?

Really, dude? All the hype surrounding the guy is due to his faith, his love of god, his virginity, and I don’t even think the guy drinks. For most people, he is the definition of a positive athletic role model. He’s like the last guy people would accuse of being immoral

And what I don’t understand is that part of the Raider mystique/hype/what drew a lot of people to Raider nation was the role as the bad guy. The Raiders played dirty, broke rules, drafted pot head QB’s and probably had quite a few felons on the roster throughout the years. How can someone who is so proud of that part of “Raider Nation” be so against a guy like Cable (In no way am I condoning violence against women)? The Raiders/Al have always been the team to say “I don’t care about your problems off the field, you have more talent than anyone and we’re going to get that talent out of you”

by Terps12 on Jan 10, 2012 5:17 AM ICT
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LoL!!!....Can you imagine my reply???

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/1/9/2693244/oakland-raiders-thoughts-is-it-time-to-turn-the-page-on-hue-jackson?login=1326124861

5:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

If I'm not mistaken a few seasons ago it was pimped here how this other team was pursuing "Due Diligence" as they hired the best "HC" candidate in the NFL and would dominate in the future while the Raiders would go nowhere???

Retiring WR Mason says dysfunctional Jets 'were a mess'

Mason wants it made clear that he never had issues with the Jets' coaching staff.

"I never complained to Rex Ryan or Mike Tannenbaum, and I hope that one day it come out who actually did it, but I doubt it," Mason said in a report published Monday by Scout.com. "I never went to Rex or Mike to complain about Brian's play-calling.

"I went to Brian and told him I'm sorry about all this stuff that's going on, but I'm not a part of it. We had a great conversation, Brian and I. We can talk as men. I respect Coach Schottenheimer as a coach. Whenever I've had a problem, I go to the individual and we talk as men."

Mason believes the Jets' continued dysfunction after he was traded is evidence that he was used as a scapegoat.

"They were a mess," Mason said. "It was a cluster you-know-what.

"You don't see stuff like this, it's not the norm. Before I left, you could see it materializing. Things heated up. If I was the problem, it would have stopped. If I was the guy complaining, it would have stopped. I wasn't the cancer in the locker room."


Yup!!!...But don't expect any of those past "Pimpers" to come forward and admit they were wrong!!!...That shit don't happen in the "Liar's Creed"!!!

PantyRaider....Funny How Old Takes Keep Coming Back To Haunt You!!!/_

5:55 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

I'm looking forward to hearing what McKenzie has to say today.
A lot of speculation concerting around Hue, and I don't know if any of it is merited, or is this the Raiders being the Raiders ala Al Davis style; creating situations and mystique to further get the name of the Raiders organization, and keep it, in the news.

I think if they do let go of Hue, they should look at bringing Flores back. Listening to him in the broadcast booth, he still knows how to coach. There were numerous times this season he openly questioned decisions made by Hue and Chuck. Dude still has game.

I truly think that Hue needs to limit his role as HC. Be involved on both sides of the ball; but he needs to sack Offensive play calling. I think his problem is trying to wear too many hats. I clearly think that it was Hue (not Cable) that helped us offensively, and only because Cable gave up the rights to play call, and focused on the o-line. Hue needs to do something similar, if he stays.

We definitely need a new DC. I think Del Rio is more qualified at this point than Moss, but I would take either one. I think the DC should act as Assitant HC, which is why I feel Del Rio is better suited. But maybe Moss is ready to grow. That is what I think and feel; and if I were wearing the GM hat, this is how I approach Hue.

I'm on board with retaining Hue. I think he is an amazing motivator, and I see how the "troops" have rallied around him on the offensive side of the ball. I think he needs to be more involved on the other side as well; but he has to relinquish some of his duties to learn the other side, and acquaint himself with the defensive players.

JUST WIN, BABY!

7:15 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

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The reason that I ask is that every HC at one point in time went through his 1st year. I would venture to say that most, if not all, suffered through some trials and tribulations, errors in judgment, etc.
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St. Gruden himself wasn't exactly lighting the world afire his first year, and if not for beating KC the final game, could very well have been fired.

He was then 8-8 the following year (when I would bet most of the I WANT IT NOW people contributing here was calling for his head) and then in his third year was a Sarigusa swan dive away from winning the elusive 4th Raider SB ring.

If McKenzie fires Hue, I sure as hell hope he has someone better already locked up, or I am afraid we have the wrong guy.

Top GM's don't see coaching carousels as a good thing. What would that be? Our 7th HC since Gruden? I lose count.

10:07 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jones,

"Bill was known as a very good DC"

And, how many very good DC's and OC's made lousy HC's? The HC graveyard is littered with their bodies. Besides my comparison is only for Cleveland where Belichick was fired.

If Jackson goes, I'm ok with it. If he stays, I'm ok with it. As long as it's McKenzie's decision and he thinks it's best for the team. You seem to feel any decision besides his firing makes McKenzie an idiot. I just think he knows more about the situation and circumstances than we do.

It didn't fall to the level of Norv either. Problem is, the DC had way more head scratchers and is the apparent fall guy for the moment. The offense, which is Jackson's forte, played well enough to have at least 10 wins. This in spite of some of his head scratchers.

NYRaider,

To my point about defensive minded HC's. Well, last night's BCS game is what I'm talking about. You take the top ranked team in the country and they don't even sniff field goal range until late in the third quarter.

17-10 can be a beautiful exciting game if it's good defense and not inept offense. Last night was good, no, exceptional defense.

H

10:15 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"You seem to feel any decision besides his firing makes McKenzie an idiot. I just think he knows more about the situation and circumstances than we do."

Assumptions, assumptions and even more assumptions. I have never said anything of the kind, H. Keep it honest or don't keep it at all. McKenzie is obviously qualified and he is the best thing that has happened to the Raider Org since..."St Gruden" as the certain crowd refers to him.

Of course he WILL know more about the situation than us, I am stating what I believe to be right. I have made my case for why I believe Hue is not a top HC, I'll leave it at that and will see where it goes.

All the 'pro' Hue crowd keeps harping on what he did on the Offense, but when it came time for Hue to be a REAL HC, he blew it. It gives me no confidence that he can do the job. As far as letting a guy "grow into the job"...why? Now the risk is wasting a couple more yrs on a guy that might not make it. Then he has to be fired anyway and start over.

It will look all too familiar, with the hiring and waiting to see if the magic is going to happen, been there and watched the Raider Org do that = failure. IMO, he has not shown that he is capable of being a top HC by what happened after Mr.Davis passed and Hue had to be a REAL HC. His inability to turn around the Defense and the penalties thrown in with a horrible display of throwing the players under the bus at the end of the season. The calling out of Hue by the QB that he wasn't around to make sure the gameplans were set. His game management as well.

I say it should be done as soon as possible, no time to waste on waiting to see if he can do it or not.

JONES

10:45 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Take this with a grain of salt, but breaking 95.7 fm is announcing that Hue Jackson has been fired or let go.

10:51 AM  

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