Friday, December 16, 2011

A Question of Commitment

The discussion here at Raider Take has taken a turn toward the bitter, which is only natural as the Raiders have suddenly lost momentum and fallen behind the improbable Denver Broncos in the race to the playoffs.

Some of the common sentiments among the regulars here are: (1) quit talking about Tim Tebow; (2) Rolando McClain and our defense are stinking up the joint; and (3) for some reason our team is "running out of gas" and unable to overcome injuries and other assorted excuses.

Well, I'm am going to violate rule #1 above to make a point about #2 and #3.

This is from a story on Yahoo Sports: "While other players went out at night, Tebow loaded films of various offenses in his computer and studied and studied and studied until they were locked in his memory."

Now, compare this 2010 first-round pick to our 2010 first-round pick, Mr. McCLain, who was recently seen halfway across the country at the scene of a shooting. Who knows, maybe McLain is just as dedicated to his craft as Tebow, but if so, it's not showing on the field, nor in his off-the-field exploits.

I know you're all sick of Tim Tebow, but if we're wondering why our team is "running out of gas" and looking a bit lost while the Broncos have mounted an improbable surge, then I think it's an apples to apples comparison.

Both are 2010 first round draft picks. Both are supposed to be leaders of their units. Both play for teams competing for the AFC West crown. The main difference is that McClain was expected to succeed, while Tebow was not.

I don't profess to knowing exactly what is going on in the locker rooms of these respective teams, or what players are doing with each hour of their off time.

But if we're looking for clues as to why one team looks inspired while the other looks tired, then these two young leaders and first-round draft picks are probably a good place to start.

Look, the clock is bound to strike midnight on Tim Tebow at some point, and McClain and the Raiders still have time to redeem themselves. I get that. It's not over until it's over.

But it's still fair to ask why this team's progress is so painfully incremental from one year to the next, and why the team is actually regressing in points scored and points allowed. We can rule out talent. So is it injuries? Coaching? Playcalling? Perhaps.

But there's another potential factor that is hard to pin down, but that also seems increasingly likely: Dedication. Dedication to the art of winning, and doing all that it takes to master that art.

On talent alone, and injuries aside, there is no way the Raiders should be a game behind the Broncos with three to go.

Maybe this team needs something else besides improved health and better playcalling and smarter coaching.

Maybe it just needs to grow up.

88 Comments:

Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I predict that the return of Moore will have a great impact this Sunday. With Moore back, even though he's been out several weeks, Detroit will have to account for blinding speed on both sides of the field. They can't count on Moore being rusty. That will force them into a lot of Cover 2s, opening the middle for Boss and Reese. It also will return the possibility of an end around, reverses and even the flea flicker.

I also agree that McClain is a problem. Not because of the intensity of his play, but because of his failure (at this point) as the QB of the defense. As the middle man in the 4-3, the MLB has to adjust players on the field prior to the snap. McClain is still not capable of doing that. He should be able to reach a point where he knows before the snap whether he's looking at a pass or running play and through which gap it will likely come.

If memory serves, it took Biekert about three years to learn that, when the light suddenly went on during the last game of 1999.

8:50 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

From other thread:

>>>>
scorpio said...

gary,
a gm would surely help BUT what if that GM wanted to being in his OWN guy (coach)?

can't imaging hue picking "his own" gm...
>>>>


Hue has unprecedented control of a football team, what with Al dying and his son not being very interested in football operations.

Corkran speculated that Hue would pick his own GM, and bring in a DC that he is more familiar with... hopefully someone from the Ravens defensive hierarchy.

Who else is suppose to do it if Mark Davis hasn't followed football very much??

BTW... I wonder if Hue's "building a bully" mantra is hurting the defense? Defense has to be CONTROLLED rage... where you need discipline mixed with (as Romo put it) KILLING A BOAR!!

They don't have any discipline.

BTW RT... our leader (Palmer) is also a dedicated worker... the biggest difference is right now is he is trying to do too much because our running game has been nearly non-existent lately. His best game was vs SD when we also ran for 191 yards. It doesn't help that he has been behind by at least 7 every time he touches the ball lately. I doubt Tebow has even experienced something like that in any of his wins... the defense is winning those games.

Wish we had THAT luxury!

8:58 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>>
If memory serves, it took Biekert about three years to learn that, when the light suddenly went on during the last game of 1999.
>>>>


Thats kinda ironic because its Biekert that is coaching McClain right now.

I still don't get it... can't anyone just show him film and say... "The RB keeps having long runs because he ran right through the gap you abandoned... STOP IT."

I enjoyed some reporter specifically asking him why he allowed his own DT to take him out of the first GB touchdown.

I watched Morrison do that his entire career! McClain to his credit at least said he understands the mistake and will fix it.

We shall see!!

9:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

By Season's End: My Estimate And I'm Sure I Missed A few??..158 Games Missed This Season!!

Chekwa, Chimdi CB Out…14 Games??
Eugene, Hiram FS Out…16 games…
Goethel, Travis LB Out…16 games…
Shaughnessy, Matt DE Out…16 games…
………………That’s already 62 games!!

Ford “WR”….Out….10 games/
Moore “WR” Out…3 games…
Murphy “WR” Out…10 games
Chaz “WR” Out…5 games??
Boss “TE” Out…3 games..

“D-Mac” “RB” Out 9 games??
“TJ” “RB” Out….6 games??
Reece “FB” Out…6 games??

“DVD” “CB” Out….10 games??
“CJ” “CB” Out….10 games??
Huff “S” Out….8 games??
Giordano “S” Out…2 games..
“MM” “S” out 8 games??

“JC” “QB” Out…..10 games…

Satele “C” Out 2 games..

Henderson “DT” Out 2 games…
Bryant, “DT” Out 2 games…

Jano “K” Out 2 games..
………………………………Additional 96 games…

"GB" made it to the "SB" after having 91 games missed but they did that with a veteran roster and a veteran coaching staff which we have neither...Young up and coming...Also they never lost their "QB" nor their "GodFather"...We did...

PantyRaider...It's Pure Foolishness To Discount Injuries As A Factor!!!/_

9:21 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...Don't you think this is a little stupid??

"While other players went out at night, Tebow loaded films of various offenses in his computer and studied and studied and studied until they were locked in his memory."

"as dedicated to his craft as Tebow"

WTF!!!...

He doesn't complete a pass in the 1st 3 quarters of the game...Usually 2/10 or 3/14 while the "D" holds everything close against teams who have trouble scoring...Go look it up!!...Only in our game was that different as we had plenty of points on the board...

Than in the 4th with a lead as "D" play some stupid form of prevent and try to run down the clock Tebow comes alive and completes 70% of his passes...

Now give me a freakin break!!...If he was dedicated to "Learning" his craft and the other team's "D" than that should show up in the 1st 3 quarters wouldn't you think and he should have developed some sort of accuracy or timing with his targets!!!

That's what just pisses me off about this whole Tobow "Spin Factory"....It's all made up crap to pimp the 2nd coming of god and promote that punk ass for the "PB"!!!...

PantyRaider...Talk About Manufactured Lies!!!/_

9:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Tebow loaded films of various offenses"...

Did you even catch that???

He's NOT studying the opposing "D" he's supposedly studying various other "O"s NOT his own!!!!

9:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Time to grow up is right. Even the Raiders most venerable player (Seymour) needs to grow up a bit.

McClain quarterbacking the defense has become somewhat comical because he’s often out of position himself. He’s a big, athletic LB who, evidently, could use a little of Tebow’s work ethic.

Overall, there are so many issues that need addressing. It’s pretty much “all of the above.”

I like Jackson and hope that he’s retained no matter the results of this season. After all, he’s a rookie HC and has had some growing pains himself. But this offseason will be time to take a hard look at the Raiders and the team philosophies.

Meanwhile, I believe 3 wins will get us in. Unlike the last two games, the Raiders need to be the team on the field that wants it more. That’s who wins football games.

That's part of what makes Tebow who he is as a player and an intense competitor.

10:01 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, I always hear how the Raiders have so much talent, and they do, even though they're in their ninth straight year of trying to notch a winning record.

They have plenty of talent. The question is: how much heart do they have?

Tebow is growing and his team is winning. McClain is regressing and his team is 3-4 over the last seven games. McClain was expected to be an impact player, Tebow was not. No one questions that Tebow is doing everything to maximize his abilities, as limited as they might be. Is McClain? If not, why?

Take the stats and injuries and excuses out of it. Let's talk commitment to excellence. Where do you see it on our defense?

You say that the Broncos' defense is winning those games.

I've got an idea: how about the Raiders defense go out and win some games? How about Seymour, Huff, McLain and Co. give our weakened offense a chance to win the game in the fourth more often? How about the defense step up its game when your starting QB goes down, like Denver's defense did when it's starting QB was benched in favor of an inexperienced Tebow?

Winning consistently in the NFL doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Winning isn't a collection of stats, nor is a team a collection of parts.

10:04 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Take... nice post. It's what Ive seen so far too... as a football fan, and as a team player... Tebow is a strong student getting stronger who promotes and encourages for four quarters plus. Bold guy like that draws lots of fair weather press but... I am not surprised... Kid got swagger and purpose. BTW anyone see the great Marinovich story on yer networks? Reminds me of how the Raiders failed to take care of Barrett Robbins... it starts and ends in the locker room... NOT on the field. This aint Snake in the 70s ball... fun as that was. Cmon Oak Grow Up or Shut Up

10:07 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

You can't take the injuries and deaths out of it...If you could we wouldn't have the mess we have right now!!!..Nor can you erase the fact that this is for the most part a very young team with a rookie "HC" and front office...Those are also parts of the game...

So is that damn "Zebra" which by the way is very helpful to Tebow...Threw 3 personal fouls last week for roughing the bastard all on 2nd/3rd dn incomplete passes to keep drives alive......He's a freakin "RB" and ya can't tackle his ass???..Was there any protection give to Palmer while he was under assault the past 2 weeks???

I see you did a fine job of ignoring this:

"Tebow loaded films of various offenses"...


What??...NO Comment??


While your bragging on him for studying his craft shouldn't he have put a "D" disc in there instead of "various offenses"???

If you are all so damn in love with the "GodSent" why don't you down yourselves in "Putrid Orange" and stop pretending!!!

Getting pretty damn low when you project something like that as the measuring stick of our Raiders!!!

There are some 30 other "QB"s out there that could do better if put with that same "D" and schedule...You want to debate that???

11:34 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider:

So Tebow studied other offenses. So what. Maybe McClain should study the Broncos defense to learn how to mind a gap?

Of course the Broncos are a measuring stick for the Raiders. Who else are the Raiders competing for a spot in the playoffs with?

The Broncos are the most relevant team to the Raiders right now. They are the most topical opponent of the Raiders right now.

Both teams needed their defenses to step up. Only one of them has.

Both teams have two 2010 first-round draft picks making news. One is making good news, the other is making bad news. One is on a team that is surging down the stretch, while the other is on a team that is fading down the stretch.

So forgive me for considering that character, dedication and teamwork might be at the heart of the matter, with two recent first rounders perhaps exemplifying the divide.

11:49 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

"ILB" to "QB" is Apples -n- Oranges no matter when taken...Dumb comparison!!

If you had made this post pertaining to that "Donkey" "D" and Our sick as Raider "D" there would never have been an argument from me...But you didn't....

You pimped Tebow as the measuring stick of our entire team...Now that sucks and is very damn weak!!!

12:10 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

This take isn't about stats or position.

It's about culture, dedication and winning.

It's about two 2010 first-round draft picks exemplifying those things, or not.

The Raiders still have a chance to show up and make the playoffs.

If they don't, you can expect even more takes along these lines. Because injuries and excuses will simply not fully explain how the Raiders could have possibly let the division slip away to the Broncos.

1:00 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

What the hell:

Defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan is encouraged by a return of the kind of effort he witnessed during the Raiders three-game win streak...As evidence, Bresnahan points to a “rejuvenated effort” in practice and the meetings, akin to what he recalls seeing three weeks ago, when the Raiders were riding high, at 7-4 and in first place in the AFC West...The key, Bresnahan said, is getting that kind of effort and focus every week. “It’s exactly like it was three weeks ago,” Bresnahan said. “But you got to be able to do that all the time.”

This isn't me saying it, it's our coaching staff: our team has LACKED EFFORT at the most crucial period of the past nine seasons.

Not lacking fundamentals. Not even lacking focus. Lacking EFFORT.

I hadn't even seen that story before writing today's take. Now I know I'm really onto something.

1:20 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

From the previous post, BR wrote

"Calico, your insistence that injuries play no part in the success or failure of your season is just bizarre."

Nope BR. Never said it and my previous posts were in the context of "no excuses".

As a matter of fact, I wrote,

"There is no doubt that the injuries to key skill players has had a detrimental effect on the team."

Although most everyone wants to focus on 3 key players that are missing (McFadden, Ford, Moore) being the root cause for the past 2 blow out losses, I'm not buying it.

In the 2 games combined, the Raiders have turned the ball over 6 times, had 21 penalties, and given up 345 yards of rushing.

Ask yourself this question, what is the direct correlation between McF, Ford, and Moore missing and the above #s? Nada.

1:28 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It takes intense effort. The Raiders need to do more than show up. They will have to play their best football to win out.

2:02 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

would someone please admit that this team sucks now...

3:12 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"In the 2 games combined, the Raiders have turned the ball over 6 times, had 21 penalties, and given up 345 yards of rushing.

"Ask yourself this question, what is the direct correlation between McF, Ford, and Moore missing and the above #s? Nada."

I'm sorry, but "nada" is not the answer I come up with. Regarding the 345 yards rushing - you're right. That comes from the LBs failing to cover their gaps.

But as for interceptions, one can often blame those on BOTH the WR and the QB. And I'd point out that Palmer is playing because of injury himself. So Campbell, Ford and Moore going down have a great deal to do with the turnovers.

The penalties I believe are coming because of the sudden lack of outside speed. The linemen are jumping early in an attempt to make outside blocks. I'd be willing to bet that most of the false starts are coming from linemen attempting to get to outside blocks.

But, really, in regard to penalties, we get those when we're winning. We always get them. We're the Raiders! The penalties go with the eye patch. Through 50 years, 3 owners, fifteen head coaches, 16 division titles, and five conference titles the Raiders are just an undisciplined team. At least that's the NFL's explanation.(That's sarcasm, by the way.)

3:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

BR,

You've stooped to a new low when you blame the INTS and penalties on injuries.

This one takes the cake for a lack of common sense,

"The penalties I believe are coming because of the sudden lack of outside speed."

Huh?

I agree that penalties are in fact a non issue, IF AND ONLY, if we win.

Otherwise, excessive, undisciplined penalties gives the opponent unearned opportunities.

4:49 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico, INTs generally come because of a lack of communication between the QB and the receiver. How can injuries NOT be partly responsible for the INTs when your dealing with a new QB and WRs who haven't played in over a year. You're being very short on cause and effect. I'll avoid the offensive word, "low."

As for the penalties, you have to identify what penalties you're talking about. If you're talking about holding, personal fouls, etc., then no - unless the guy who made the penalty is himself a replacement. But when you're talking about false starts - those generally are caused by anticipation (trying to get a jump on the defensive player). That is greatly effected by the ball carrier and the QB. When I played center in high school, I know that's what caused me to do it.

I'm not sure why you should consider that logic "low," but so be it.

5:43 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

When your suit and tie are silver helmets thay caim to be excellence committed, you wont close deals until you are ready for a very high percentage of objections. These pirates werent even prepared for Teebs in Oak. Blanda makes strong points... :-very "101", but called for. Salut! Lion~B~Que Sunday... well done please...

7:31 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
OakTown Blues said...

would someone please admit that this team sucks now...
>>>>


Was this also your conclusion after the three game win streak?

I admit the playoffs look dismal, but all we have to do is win 1 of three for 8-8... which "doesn't suck."

Sucking is 4-12, which is what we used to do regularly.

8:36 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

8-8 sucks! That means we finish 1-2.

9-7 isn't much better, but if that record gets us to the playoffs, so be it.

As Take said, the incremental success of the Raiders merely getting to a winning record after nine seasons is painful.

10-6 is respectable, playoffs or no playoffs.

5:20 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

"O' yes Jones, a 3 game is no streak st all,
when you still barely average .500 ball.
I'll not get excited 'bout three in a row,
unlessin' them three are the next Super Bowls."

Just for you.

The medicine of mediocrity is something of "those teams".

It doesn't take a mathematician to see we've been on the win/loss see saw all year.

No, I wasn't. reason to believe it could be four wins? ...for sure. But excited, no. Learned that lesson real good when Barrett Robbins pulled a no show for the big show. It takes a lot more than three wins. That's called doing your job.

(since you asked)

7:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Clasic "RT"!!

"Now I know I'm really onto something"...LoL!!!

I posted it on the last thread....Out Of Gas!!!...

Shit happens and slumps in sports are real...Freakin get over it!!!

7:20 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

"Slump" excuses are like PMS. I will not hear it. Losing the game is natural, playing without fundamental discipline is inexcusable. Slumps and streaks, same thing, they are emotional ties and should be avoided. These guys need to pay more attention to the snap count than the scoreboard.

7:32 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Funny how some folks seem madder at me for suggesting that the Raiders have lacked effort than at the Raiders, whose coaching staff CONFIRMED that they've lacked effort during the organization's most crucial period in nine years, in a year when they could truly honor Mr. Davis by winning the division.

I sincerely hope that the team's lack of effort doesn't sink us. There's time to right the ship.

But anything less than 100 percent commitment and dedication is unacceptable, and it has shown on the field. So yes, I do believe that this team still needs to grow up after all these years.

7:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

Com'on...Ya ever strap it on??...

We all go threw it in every walk of life and for someone to proclaim that they don't is a freakin Lie!!

And I don't care how professional you are or how dedicated you are or how holy you are...Slumps are a part of life and during it your effort appears to suck even though you may be doing the beat you can at that time...

These are HUMANS...NOT Machines!!!

Football is such a team sport that all it takes is a few players in a slump to derail the entire team...It's not like every player took the week off!!!...Freakin get real!!!

And that's NOT excuses!!...That's cold hard reality!!!


"RT"...

It's also about time some fans grew the fuck up and stopped crying every time there's some animosity if the universe!!!

PantyRaider...Get Over It...Game Time Again!!!

8:09 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Panty... define slump. Statistical appearance, yup... but attitude? Slump on point and you get killed. Slump in attitude and you get beat. One can refuse that excuse. Taking responsibility means you might get beat on the scoreboard but not in terms of effort. Just say now to Slumpscuses.

8:23 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

no... that is. ;-)

8:24 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

For the record..Re:

"Barrett Robbins pulled a no show for the big show........That's called doing your job."

Robins was not the only guilty party here and his guilt was medical..."Bipolar Disorder"..Which again is NOT an excuse just a reality...He was also a "PB"er with that same medical condition...

The laps was on Callahan and this is where I will pimp Gruden which I rarely do...Under Gruden medical problems were being tended to...Much like Hue in that respect...So Robbins remained on his medication...Being monitored...Along come Callahan having full knowledge of the situation but with the attitude that he shouldn't have to babysit this team...The result was the total dismantling of our supper season...

I happened to be there in Coronado when Barret was having one of his crying spells..Not a pretty sight but again a reality of the world that we live in as Humans all suffering in our own special ways...Anyone who thinks they are beyond that is simply blind or a Liar!!

So Barret was doing his job but he just had a severe setback at the worst time under the greatest pressure he had faced...I will also add that the NFL made matters worse that season by not giving the teams the usual 2 weeks between the "PO"s and the "SB"...Way too much to cram into a short one week period...

That man was still a Raider!!!

PantyRaider...It's Always Very Easy To Criticize But Understanding Goes Much Deeper!!!/_

8:31 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

How many die on point??

How many pro athletes have experienced slumps and eventually played threw them and came back weeks later???

That's a real situation not some make believe fairytale!!...

And don't try to tell me that military men/boys don't experiance Slums in attention or endurance or dedication...There are times you simply "Hit the Wall" both physically and mentally...Shit happens!!!

Now you show me you posterchild for avoinding "Slumps" and staying up on their game for an extended period of time threw all sorts of adversity???

"QB"s__________-n-___________

"DL"???

"CB"???

Freakin Golfer for crying out loud!!!...

8:40 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

8-8 sucks! That means we finish 1-2.
>>>


It still surprises me you are not a Patriots fan.

They are above 8-8 every year, they have won as many trophies as the Raiders, they win all the time.. they are geographically next to you... they are a PERFECT team for you NYR!

You are a "beaten wife" to the Raiders.

You know you should leave but you can't.

8:41 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

oaktown,
i saw "the marinovich project". very good piece. it got us into the mind of todd marinovich and marinovich in his own words explains why he failed. in a word (well, actually 2) drugs and dad. or should i say dad - and then drugs. it's too bad really. such an immense talent early on and through the pros, drugs killed his career. on the human side, good thing the drugs didn't kill him.

you have to wonder if al davis and his scouts at the time REALLY turned over every stone when researching this guy. if he did, he surely would have known about his drug habits IN HIGH SCHOOL. got worse in college, and carried over in the pros and he STILL took a chance! and as it turned out, it was a losing chance.

anyway, it's an interesting story nonetheless. if espn ever replays it, you guys should watch.

8:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

A few on this board consistently ignore reality as they protest everything as being an "Excuse"!!!...What total Bull Shit!!!

I question how you deal with all the adversity in your own lives???...

I seem to remember a season or so back when someone was missing for an extended period of time and when came back after being looked for they said they had been going threw some tough times...Total lack of commitment or effort???...Or just a "Slump"???...And I wonder how well they performed threw those adversities that drew them away for so long???...Ever just "Hit a Wall"???...Reach a point where the little things become difficult and time seems to endlessly drag on???...

Allot of other words could be tied into a "Slump"...

Depression??
Change of Heart??
Loss of Focus??
Overwhelmed??
Fatigued??
"Out of Gas"...

Everyone who has ever posted on this board has experienced that in some form in some aspect of their lives...But now it it realtes to the Raiders it's just an "Excuse"!!!

Bull Shit!!...And like I said I question how well some of you have dealt with it in your own lives???

I dam sure know I have been threw the ringer a few times and gotten fizzled as a result...But "Fizzeled" for me is "Amped Up" because that's how emotional of a make up I have so folks may not recognize it for what it is...Gassed!!!

PantyRaider...Get Real And Live Like It Act Like It!!!/_

9:00 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

I hone in on winning attitudes, not excuses. " Im in a slump, coach" means "attitude adjustment required"

9:06 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

BTW... Partriots... good team

9:07 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio...

Real Life Bro!!...It affects us all in different ways...What would have been a blessing to some is a detriment to others...

The Mannings were also groomed from childhood by they father to play "QB" and they have excelled...

The Serena Sisters were groomed from childhood to play tennis and they also excelled...

Howie's boys are doing fine with it so far...

But some kids have a built in resistance in their heads so any pushing by the parents or school or church results in rebellion...Can't look inside a kids head and see it I suppose...

Than it depends upon what type of "Task Master" the kid had...Like an X military dad who thought the "Drill Sergeant" routine was the proper way to train an 8 year old son even to the point of making him stand on a wooden create for hours on end with a broom held out with extended arms to symbolize a weapon...

Yikes!!!...Do I really remember that???

10 men can go threw the exact same situation at the exact same time and age...Maybe 2 are PTSD...1-or-2 are habitual criers...3 are bullies...3 are callus.. 1 is indifferent to anything....Why???

PantyRaider...Barret Robins Would Have Taken Your Fuckin Head Off While Crying About It!!!/_

9:15 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"OTB"...

Did you know you were in a "Slump" before it happened???

What player goes to his coach and say's:

"Im in a slump, coach"

9:18 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

maybe THIS is the reason the raiders went SOFT!!!! these last few games:

http://frontrow.espn.go.com/tag/hue-jackson/

11:43 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A good performance equating to a win on Sunday is all it will take to turn the tide, momentum, and overall outlook.

As Hue said, and I'm paraphrasing, in spite of it looking bleak, it is still right there in front of us.

Struggles, adversity, injuries are all a part of the game. It will take leadership, effort, execution, and resolve to pull us out of it.

11:57 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

i felt sorry for Robbins... its his teammates that truly failed... slumps are for chumps... shoot for the best u can 4 quarters and cover ur buddys off the field. Cant argue with that mindset bro... it breeds success, W or L.

1:18 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Scorpio: Hue Jackson's Nails Link... Gross!

4:49 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

RT-
Great take, that is why it's Raider Take!
Can there be a change in effort and attitude? I still think there is a talent problem. As steve corckran indicated, how many play makers do the packers have on D (lots) how many do the Raiders have?
What I realize- this is still AD's team. He ran the D, the draft was his also. Hue is a rookie and there is no GM. We need a D coordinator who is not a yes man. Draft picks based on a plan not just speed and physical prowess, (Bruce Campbell)





Mike Tomlin was a rookie coach that won a super bowl because there was a plan in place. If we get Reggie McKenzie to plan and evaluate personnel, a D coordinator and two or three good drafts...
Palmer might be ok for next year but a franchise qb is needed past that.
Bottom line is this - I want the other teams and their fans to go down the schedule in the beginning of the year and say, "we have to play the steelers, the packets, the ravens, the pats AND The Raiders, we're fucd!

6:12 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

mdf and Take ARE spot on correctomundo. Beat Lions.

6:52 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

News report:

With the Raiders currently leading the league in both penalties and yards, Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer says Jackson made a point in practice this week of chewing players out for stupid mistakes.
“Coach was on our a–,” Palmer told Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com. “It was an intense week. We got back to some of the small things that I think got overlooked when we were on a little bit of a [winning] streak. It was back to fundamentals.”

Jackson has it all wrong. He should be blaming injuries and officials and Raiders blogs for the team's recent plight instead of lack of effort and fundamentals, right?

8:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

UNK coach Darrell Morris said the two-time, first-team Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference selection looks like an NFL player. The two-year starter had 155 career tackles with a school-record 23-1/2 sacks for the Lopers.

“He’s got the body, the long arms and all that kind of stuff,” Morris said. “He’s very athletic, he runs very well, he’s big and strong and a hard worker.”


Now this "UDFA" Rookie has taken "CJ"s place on the roster..."CJ" is done for the season due to the deaths in his family after playing only 4 games this season...Hopefully this new kid will bring a spark with him and ignite something on that football field...

PantyRaider...Season Of Turmoil!!!/_

9:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

We could have both "WR" Moore -n- "RB" "TJ" back for this game??..Both now listed as "Questionable"...

Injury Report:

Name Position Injury Wed. Thu. Fri. Game Status
Campbell, Jason QB Collarbone DNP DNP DNP Out
Ford, Jacoby WR Foot DNP DNP DNP Out
Henderson, John DT Knee DNP DNP DNP questionable
Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR Heel FP FP FP probable
Huff, Michael FS Ankle DNP DNP DNP questionable
Johnson, Chris CB Not Injury Related DNP DNP DNP Out
Jones, Taiwan RB Hamstring DNP DNP DNP questionable
Kelly, Tommy DT Toe LP LP LP probable
McFadden, Darren RB Foot DNP DNP DNP Out
Moore, Denarius WR Foot LP LP LP questionable
Moss, Jarvis DE Shoulder LP LP LP probable
Murphy, Louis WR Hip - LP LP probable
Satele, Samson C Shoulder LP LP LP probable
Schilens, Chaz WR Foot LP LP LP probable

9:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT" -n- Others...

Keep living in your fantasy realm where pro athletes are beyond the normal human frailties that strike you down in life...These are NOT manufactured "Machines"...They are men who suffer in life and than suffer threw pain to stay up and keep playing...I have very serious doubts that you could ever do anything to resemble that or that you have ever strapped on that jock and competed on any level???

By your stupid definitions "CJ" is an undedicated lazy player without focus!!...Right!!...Like you could hang???

It's always easy for a man to be critical when he never has to endure any of the pains of the game...Just sit on his ass with another beer posting crap against the Gladiators who lay it on the line week by week...

Personal Foul...Insufficient Gratitude and Lack of Commitment While Crying...

10:10 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

According to the COACHING STAFF, the Raiders have collectively lacked both effort and fundamentals in recent weeks.

If you have a beef with someone saying that the Raiders have lacked effort and fundamentals, take it up with the Raiders coaching staff, please.

10:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The definition of "Out of Gas"!!!

In each of the last two road games, the Raiders trailed 34-0 before scoring en route to one-sided losses and looked like a team running on empty.

Jackson, however described this week's mood and energy as "awesome -- probably different than it's been the last four or five weeks.''

That the reality NOT the excuse!!!

10:17 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Raiders have suddenly lost momentum and fallen behind the improbable Denver Broncos in the race to the playoffs."

"But if we're looking for clues as to why one team looks inspired while the other looks tired,"

"But there's another potential factor that is hard to pin down, but that also seems increasingly likely: Dedication."

"So forgive me for considering that character, dedication and teamwork might be at the heart of the matter,"

All the while totally ignoring Injury (injuries aside)...Death...Fatigue..."Zebra" or anything else as having a contributing factor...

THAT's where you are so ignorant!!!

10:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan acknowledged errors in assignment in his unit, but not in effort.

"If you go back and watch the tape, I didn't see one guy quit. I didn't see one guy loaf. I didn't see anybody tap out,''

10:47 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

What's going on here? Somebody's in denial.

10:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Well, now you've got to get through the doldrums,'' Bresnahan said. "You've got to overcome that. That's the challenge on this unit right now, to step back up and let's go.''

10:49 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Report:

Defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan is encouraged by a return of the kind of effort he witnessed during the Raiders three-game win streak...As evidence, Bresnahan points to a “rejuvenated effort” in practice and the meetings, akin to what he recalls seeing three weeks ago, when the Raiders were riding high, at 7-4 and in first place in the AFC West...The key, Bresnahan said, is getting that kind of effort and focus every week. “It’s exactly like it was three weeks ago,” Bresnahan said. “But you got to be able to do that all the time.”

10:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Exactly "RT"!!!...

It's a "Slump" period...NOT the whole freakin season and NOT the end of the season either!!!

It's a 2 week period where a team "Runs Out Of Gas"..."Get's Flat"..."Loses Emotion"..."Enters the Doldrums".....

NOT a mater of a team that has NO "character, dedication and teamwork"....

That's total "BS"!!!

10:56 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Key phrase: "You've got to be able to do that all the time."

All the time. Not part of the time.

10:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Having that "Need" and consistently doing it are NOT the same thing!!!

Of course we have a need to win every time we take the field...But we won't!!!

That's the difference between projections and reality!!

One team and only one team this season is winning every week...All others have had bad weeks like Pits losing to Seattle...

The result of NO "character, dedication and teamwork" Right!!....

Get freakin real!!...

You can't deliver your expressed demands in your own life but project that weakness upon the Raiders???

That's where you lose it...When you ignore all the adversity as an "Excuse" and project all your perceived weakness as Reality...That's only the "Reality" of your own weak ass mind as you read into everything posted about this football team and relate it to yourself!!..

11:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

That's why your such a freakin "Crier"!!..

Because that weakness is in you and you project that weakness every time you post!!!

11:14 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

my slump my slump my slumps, my lovely lady lumps... hahahhaahhaa

Gladiators? whatt?!!!

These guys run around with more padding than a room full of ladies that time of the month. Gladiators?

Millionaires! I've played ball and served my time, so I qualify. I see patterns of attitude that... nevermind. I may not even watch tomorrow. I hate to see my team suffer.

11:20 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

my slump my slump my slumps, my lovely lady lumps... hahahhaahhaa

Gladiators? whatt?!!!

These guys run around with more padding than a room full of ladies that time of the month. Gladiators?

Millionaires! I've played ball and served my time, so I qualify. I see patterns of attitude that... nevermind. I may not even watch tomorrow. I hate to see my team suffer.

11:20 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

my slump my slump my slumps, my lovely lady lumps... hahahhaahhaa

Gladiators? whatt?!!!

These guys run around with more padding than a room full of ladies that time of the month. Gladiators?

Millionaires! I've played ball and served my time, so I qualify. I see patterns of attitude that... nevermind. I may not even watch tomorrow. I hate to see my team suffer.

11:20 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

my slump my slump my slumps, my lovely lady lumps... hahahhaahhaa

Gladiators? whatt?!!!

These guys run around with more padding than a room full of ladies that time of the month. Gladiators?

Millionaires! I've played ball and served my time, so I qualify. I see patterns of attitude that... nevermind. I may not even watch tomorrow. I hate to see my team suffer.

11:20 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The minimum baseline expectation of all able bodied, active players is to play with passion and purpose EVERY game especially during a playoff push.

Anything less is dishonoring the memory of Al Davis.

11:24 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

BTW, I don't confuse passion and purpose with results. I have witnessed countless games where the Raiders played with passion and purpose but came up short on the scoreboard. Guess what ... I can live with a "L" if my team gave everything they had.

11:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Get your head out of your asses and stop making yourselves out to be such ignorant damn fools!!!

Your pimping that puke "Orange" again just like last time when you said McDaniels was going to dominate the AFCW along with Polio-n-Haily in "KC"!!!..You were right again on that one Huh!!

So lets take a look at their lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" that has taken them down along with "SD" and many others...

Your 2-n-4 "Donkey" were without "character, dedication and teamwork"...Ya that's why we struggled to beat them by 3 freaking points the 1st week of the season...

"KC" has fallen off the edge of the cliff due to the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" as did "SD" but now have become Inspired to play with heart again???

Bull Fuckin Shit!!!

It's about time you came to grips with what the game of football is...A "Team Sport" where the laps of 1 or 2 players can derail an entire scheme...That laps can come via any # of things...Injury/attitude/family death/coaching/"Mediot" pressure/"Zebra"/trash talkin in the game or whatever....Untie your shoe laces says Suh!!...LoL!!

Both
SD" -n- "KC" have had their seasons derailed due to injury...NOT the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork"...

The bills were on top of the world but a few injuries have sent them to the abyss NOT the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork"...

Now I suppose you are saying it was the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" that sent the Jets into a tail spin a few weeks ago as they lost to that "Donkey" and others...Same goes for the Cowboys and others....How pathetically stupid!!

The loss or addition of a few key players can make or break a system...The teams that can continue to play threw such adversities and keep on winning are the exceptions and should be praised...NOT the norm!!

"GB" last season who barely made the "PO" cut but kicked everyone's ass once they got in....No doubt suffering from the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" most of the regular season as they lost!!!...LoL!!

Houston this season who despite key injuries have had enough to continue winning...Remarkable on their part no doubt and great coaching too I might add!!...

So if "Big Ben" can't go this week Pitts will fail due to the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" and NOT anything to do with Injury!!!...Unbelievably fuckin stupid!!!

The more you pimp this crap the dumber you appear...It's you won damn weak assed failed personality perceptions that are taking you down due to the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork"....

PantyRaider....Why Project Yourself As So Freakin Weak!!!/_

Criers!!...Unbelievably weak!!

12:09 AM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Calico Jack you are 100% freaking ON. Nice.

12:11 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Bills fall from 6-n-1 after injuries:

9 Nov 06 NYJ 27 @ BUF 11
10 Nov 13 BUF 7 @ DAL 44
11 Nov 20 BUF 8 @ MIA 35
12 Nov 27 BUF 24 @ NYJ 28
13 Dec 04 TEN 23 @ BUF 17
14 Dec 11 BUF 10 @ SD 3

da Bears fall form 7-n-3 after injuries:

12 Nov 27 CHI 20 @ OAK 25
13 Dec 04 KC 10 @ CHI 3
14 Dec 11 CHI 10 @ DEN 13

"KC" fails due to injury early and again late: Winning only once against another team losing due to injury...

1 Sep 11 BUF 41 @ KC 7
2 Sep 18 KC 3 @ DET 48
3 Sep 25 KC 17 @ SD 20
9 Nov 06 MIA 31 @ KC 3
10 Nov 13 DEN 17 @ KC
11 Nov 21 KC 3 @ NE 34
12 Nov 27 PIT 13 @ KC 9
13 Dec 04 KC 10 @ CHI 3
14 Dec 11 KC 10 @ NYJ

Mounting injuries take "SD" down: Now winning 2 in a row...

7 Oct 23 SD 21 @ NYJ 27
8 Oct 31 SD 20 @ KC 23
9 Nov 06 GB 45 @ SD 38
10 Nov 10 OAK 24 @ SD 17
11 Nov 20 SD 20 @ CHI 31
12 Nov 27 DEN 16 @ SD 13

But Damn those Raider who had a 2 game slide due to the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork"...

Yikes!!...Are you suppose to be a Raider Fan???...This is the type of trash talking I would expect to read from a damn "Hater" NOT a fan!!!

PantyRaider...Shakin The Head In Disgust!!!/_

12:54 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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1:02 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Correction:

14 Dec 11 BUF 10 @ SD 37

10 Nov 13 DEN 17 @ KC 13

Copy Post got cut off due to a lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" between poster and Mouse...LoL!!!...Twice!!!

1:07 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Everything They Had" is relative to that day in time with that roster on the field under that coaching staff and game plans/schemes and who they are playing....

Games need to be evaluated on the basis of that week...But I guess that just goes way over someone's head???

When a play broke down were players still giving it their all in pursuit??...Or did they just hang their heads and watch someone score??...

Was Moss in there running a lazy rout while not even looking for the damn ball???

Did this team continue to fight for points even when the game was way out of control without hope of a "V"???

Did the 1st string continue to play or did they get relieved by the back-ups???

Why don't you do a little personal assessment 1st before opening you mouth and espousing your dimness to public shame??

1:18 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Bottom Line...

The pitiful criers couldn't wait for an opportunity to rejoin their brotherhood on the "Trail-o-Tears" in their "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"!!!

1:21 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

All of my critiques of the recent state of the Raiders have been made the coaches and players themselves: Lack of effort, lack of fundamentals, and complacency.

This blog is a running diary about the state of the Raiders.

The coaches and players themselves have spoken honestly about the team's recent state.

I'm not going to feel too bad about echoing their own wake-up call, no matter how many names I get called.

8:22 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Is That A Joke "RT"???

"I'm not going to feel too bad about echoing their own wake-up call"

While ignoring any other possible reason for a 2 game slide regardless of how much the same damn things have affected several other teams this and in other seasons throughout history!!!

It would be one thing if you acknowledge the affects of Death/Injury/Fatigue/"Zebra" and other factors as relating to the lack of "character, dedication and teamwork"...But you do NOT!!...

NO!!...Your refuse to allow anything else to be considered except that my Raiders are bad "characters"..."Undedicated" and are not "Team Players"...

It's all about you and being allowed to bash my team to your hearts content while restricting from consideration all the multitudes of issues that may or may not play into it as "Excuses"...

So now if your little feelings are on your cuff and scorched should I feel any regrets???...

NOT!!!

To the extent that your more than willing to bring reproach upon my football team I'm more than willing to point out how stupid and foolishly childish your presentations are!!!

8:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I think anyone who watched the last two games would agree that the Raiders displayed a lack of effort and heart.

The alternate explanation is that we were outplayed by far superior Dolphins and Packers teams (Packers, maybe).

There's a quick way to resolve this dispute, i.e., the Raiders dropping the Lions like a bad habit.

Raider Nation could sure use a pick-me-up.

It's game day!

Go Raiders!!

9:03 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Fatigue and injury are a given in the NFL late in the season.

Complacency and lack of effort are not.

9:14 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"..

Talk about grasping for straw!!!

"Fatigue and injury are a given in the NFL late in the season."

Is "GB" injured and fatigued???....Or a dozen other teams??...Now that's just pure stupidity on your part!!!

So stubborn to hold onto your ax to grind with my Raiders that you can't even concede when your wrong...As is to be expected sense that who you have always been!!!

10:30 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

It's GAME Day and I'm pumped up!

I think the Raiders at this delicate moment in time are lacking confidence and swagger. The best way to rectify the situation is for us to get off to a good start.

In simple terms:

It is "Bravehearts" or start thinking about 2012.

10:47 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I assert that it isn't the lack of effort or desire that is making the defense crash and burn... its exactly the opposite.

You don't have people jump out of assignment because they are loafing.. they are doing it trying to make something happen.

If McClain was loafing on the that first TD against GB fer instance, the RB would have ran right into him for a three yard gain.

I don't see at all that this team has given up like I did a few years back at the end of the season with Art Shell as coach.

Not sure which games you guys are watching (if you even watch them at all.)

10:49 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Further... those 4? off-sides were because of lack of desire? Lack of heart?

No... they were TOO amped... good gawd.

Obviously.

10:53 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Gary,

Effort AND Execution are both required for winning football.

A player amped up but without focus will not execute hence an off-side penalty.

Passion + Focus = controlled fury

11:05 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Is "GB" injured and fatigued???....Or a dozen other teams??...Now that's just pure stupidity on your part!!!"

Maybe you should check out all the injuries GB had when they won the SB last yr. Excuses are for LOSERS, a team that gets blown out 2 weeks in a row, in the fashion the Raiders did.....something isn't right and injuries are the excuse. Raiders didn't show up with the playoffs on the line. This is when champions always show up. The Raiders HAVE TO SHOW UP today or it is GAME OVER.

How bout fighters who break a hand, or get a nasty cut, or sustain an injury during a fight. The champion continues to fight to win, the nonchamp finds a way out and uses it as an excuse.

Jethro = king of name calling.

JONES

11:45 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Gary, the Raiders coaches and players have themselves noted the sagging effort and complacency that has marked recent weeks.

It's not like I'm going out on a limb here. It's straight from the source.

If players are missing assignments and getting blown up on Sunday (regardless of how much energy the expend doing it), that would be a fairly logical result of complacency and lack of effort in preparing for games.

12:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Rodgers was showing a lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" in the 1st half....5/15 58yds passing!!!

12:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"GB" is playing without heart...Total lack of "character, dedication and teamwork" with an undefeated record on the line against a non "PO" contender....Just freakin weak!!!

All "GB" fans should just be ashamed of their team and start bashing the hell out of them...

"RT"...Send them your favorite "Clown Car"....With you in it!!!

LoL!!!

12:51 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

When the Green Bay players and coaches themselves say that they lacked effort and got complacent heading into this game, then I'm on board.

Until then, I'll wonder how the Chiefs defense managed to stop the Packers a week after they ran our defense over.

12:56 PM  
Blogger Stuporburg said...

Looks like the 4th Qtr meltdown is haunting the Raiders again (as seen from the Lions game from yesterday).

Overall, based on the current losing streak, the Raiders seem to have lost the kind of focus they showed earlier in the season. The only reason why the Raiders have not yet been eliminated from the playoff hopes is because the rest of our division has been weak, although the Broncos and the Chiefs seem to be stepping up lately and things are not going to get any easier for the Raiders from now on.

9:47 AM  

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