Saturday, January 28, 2012

The Case for Optimism

The commenting system here is a bit wonky right now, suddenly limiting viewable comments to 200 total per take. The most recent take is up to 197 comments as of this writing, so while I don't really have a fresh take, I'm creating a new post to keep the conversation going.

Many of the comments lately relate to questioning my, and others', optimism regarding the state and direction of the Oakland Raiders as of January 28, 2012.

Personally, I don't get it. NY Raider summed it up pretty succinctly: "In simple terms, the Raiders are now doing what many of us very much wanted Al Davis to do while he was still alive. Now folks are upset by the fact that we're happy to have Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie provide us with the very process and structure we've been begging for. Bizarre!"

Optimism is opinion, not fact. It's choosing to believe in a good outcome out of many possible outcomes. I am optimistic and believe that we are on the right track. Why do I believe that we are on the right track? Let me reiterate:

-We had a hole at GM that we needed to fill.

-Mark Davis sought the counsel of Ron Wolf and John Madden.

-Benefiting from that counsel, he hired Reggie McKenzie; some say that Al Davis had instructed his son to pursue McKenzie if necessary.

-McKenzie's credentials are unquestioned at this point. He comes from one of the NFL's most successful organizations, and I've heard no one question his resume or abilities.

-McKenzie considered numerous head coaching candidates from far and wide, if reports are to be believed, and ultimately chose Dennis Allen.

-I know very little about Dennis Allen, but I like what I am hearing. Again, look at McKenzie's credentials, then tell me why I shouldn't be confident that he found a strong coach for us.

-Allen breaks the mold of offensive-minded head coaches for the Raiders, and since defense is our main weakness, the timing is perfect. I think that this will be a wake-up call for players who may have been slacking under Bresnehan's watch.

-Now Allen is assembling his staff, as it should be. I'm not going to spend my afternoon on the Internet researching and pretending that I have great insights into who should fill out the staff. I have no reason to believe that the process of Davis-Wolf-Madden selecting McKenzie, and McKenzie selecting Allen, is suddenly going to break down with awful decisions in filling out the coaching staff.

I think these guys know what they're doing. That makes me optimistic. I am more bullish on the Raiders than I've been in many years. Al Davis pulled us out of the abyss, and now his son and his team are going to finish the job and build a long-term winner. That's my take, and I'm sticking to it until further notice to the contrary.

P.S. OTB made a suggestion for Raider Take in the previous comments section: "I think a good ground rule might be, if I may be so bold, to encourage more news and less PowerPasting of poster quotes."

I don't know about PowerPasting. I will say that I've always viewed this place as more of a social experiment than a news site. It's my diary sharing my thoughts on the state of the Raiders, and you all get to scribble on it, and over time it has become more of a collective diary and a vivid reflection of the diversity, colorfulness, intelligence and craziness of the Raider Nation at large.

I could spend 10 minutes every morning regurgitating news that is easily found on dozens of other sites and blogs, but that seems pointless to me. I could spend 30 minutes or an hour per day analyzing the news and developing more thoughtful takes on a more regular basis, but I don't really have the time or inclination to do so.

So, alas, you're sort of stuck with the quirky, intermittent and unapologetic nature of Raider Take as it is, should you decide to stick around. Personally, I enjoy everyone here, including those who argue with me all the time. It keeps me on my toes, and it's sort of a like a neighborhood tavern where we might all have one too many and start throwing chairs, but we'll be back the next day buying each other a beer.

That's not to say that things don't get out of hand sometimes, and all I can do is ask that folks refrain from profanity, personal attacks, etc. But I'm not in the censorship business, so the comments section will benefit, as always, from self-policing when things get out of hand.

So there you have it, can I buy you a pint?


Anonymous JONES said...

Well...let's start off with a copy and paste.....nahhh. By the way RT, optimisim is formed from facts, that SHOULD be how an opinion is formed. If you look at the facts, hence the optimism. As far as Jethro screaming for something other than the "which is dead". Let's have a few predictions on how the season will go....I've thrown my hat in...anyone else?


9:49 AM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...


I welcome the very optimism you are talking about. We have been spectators of one man’s vision for several years, as his legacy has been slowly but surely losing touch with reality. Not that I question his commitment to winning, but that honestly things were never really in reach of greatness because coaches or players didn’t feel like coming here to play for the shield.

So now we have a new commander in Reggie McKenzie, who’s willing to not conform to what the critics think is appropriate or what certain Raider fans want. What Reggie has done is exactly what Al Davis set out to do over 49 years ago. Build a football team that dominates on every level, which takes but does not surrender, which executes by surgically selecting players whom he felt, gave us the best chance to rule and win champions.

Now that a new HC has been placed here, let’s all show him the support and admiration of what makes us Raider fans great. Allow this ship to take shape as the correct men are selected to help steer us in this voyage across the NFL Sea of elite teams. I am ready to follow this new regime and see what new heights we can reach.

May I pull up a seat with you Raider Take and have a pint with you? And lets enjoy this new era of Raider football.

10:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


OK "RT" way to stand up and stand your ground...

We have been in a dense fog sense the day Al Davis passed on...None of us know what we will see when that fog finally lifts but all of us are hoping for something better...

From where I stand I can't get too excited about the murmurings and other noises that are coming from somewhere deep in the mist...They just aren't coherent or clear enough st this point to make much sense...

Questions like this circle my mind as yet unanswered:

Who is here??

Who is coming??

Who will play??

What will we look like???

Will we win or even compete??

So until there's a little more visual clarity I'm withholding all the emotions while posting my hopes and concerns of what lurks in the dense darkness beyond!!!

PantyRaider....Slow To Bare Steerage Way Maneuvering Cautiously In Restricted Visibility!!!/_

10:13 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


So much for not having a take... Nice!

I too like that folks here don't always agree. It makes for some interesting discussions.

It's funny how the tables of optimism have turned so much. Almost everyone here has done a 180 degree turn.

I'm sure we'll find more common ground here once 2012 starts to unfold.

10:25 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Tidbits...Info from the last thread:

There doesn't seem to be any big names being thrown around to fill out out coaching staff....The one big name that remains is not even being speculated upon and that's Miami's X-Interim "HC" Bowles who's now available for the Raiders' "DC" job because Miami just hired a man named Kevin Coyle as their new "DC"....

Someone from the Giants or "NE" perhaps???

Other names which have surfaced:

Offensive Coordinator from Oregon as new "OC"???..Or assistant???

Richard Smith (Denver’s linebackers coach)

Emmitt Thomas (Kansas City’s defensive backs coach)

Bill Johnson (New Orleans’ defensive line coach)

What I would like to see:

Allen as HC
Saunders as OC
Bowles as DC

Reggie and the Menace are scouting at the Senior Bowl:

the Raiders are looking at a bunch of defensive specialists and a RB

Oakland Raiders Senior Bowl Snippets
Byron Lambert,

Raider’s scouts spent quite a bit of time with big powerful Baylor RB, Terrance Ganaway. Michael Bush replacement?

We spoke with Oakland Raider’s Senior scout, Jon Kingdon and he mentioned they were really looking at LBs. This was evidenced when I walked by Miami LB, Sean Spence, and his agent,the notorious Drew Rosenhaus, speaking at length with Raider’s personnel.

Kingdon also had some other interesting Raider’s niblets. They are somehwat disappointed in Rolando McClain to this point. Aaron Curry was a good pick up and he played well. The Raiders were happy with the development of young DBs Chimdi Chekwa and Demarcus Van Dyke.

"Dennis The Menace" on tape:

Meanwhile our schedule is prolley getting tougher??

Browns tab ex-Vikings coach Childress as offensive coordinator

Del Rio replaces Allen as Broncos' defensive coordinator

Miami -n- Bucs also making moves...

That accounts for 5 of our games on this schedule which doesn't look very promising at this point:

Oakland Raiders 2012 Opponents





PantyRaider...Just My Concerns So Where's The Answers Baby!!!/_

10:39 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Check out the Broncos' away schedule:

Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
New England Patriots
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers

They also have the Steelers and Saints at home.

No cakewalk for the Chargers, either.

No reason for the Raiders not to win the West.

10:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


With what "O"???...What "OC"???

How well will we move the ball against a Del Rio "D" with their roster???

How much improvement can we expect in one season on the "D"???

What "DC"???

Who will we have coaching the "OL"???...Will that unit play as well in 2012 as they did in 2011???

Who will be coaching our "RB"s??...Kelly Skipper was doing a fine job there...

Who's our new assistants??


There are far too many unanswered questions on this team to project any "V"s at this point let alone that we will be "Masters of the West"!!!!!!

PantyRaider....Nice Dreams But Based Upon What!!!!/_

11:24 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Simple truth..We have had some continuity over the past 3 seasons even though there have been turnovers in the "HC"s...

"09"...Cable was already here and had spent a half season as interim "HC" prior to his 1st season...

"10"...Cable remained "HC" as Hue was brought in as "OC" as well as Marsh as "DC"...

"11"...Hue took over as "HC" after having served as "OC" for a season while Bresnahan took over as "DC"...

"12"...NOTHING remains the same???

As it stands now we have a rookie "HC" with "1" season's experience as "DC" under a "D" minded "HC"....Never on his own before!!!...Never hired a staff before...I mean this is "Never-Never Land" in all it's glory!!!

Now if he retains some of what was making that top 10 "O" perform well than we have some continuity going forward....But will he???

PantyRaider...As It Stand Right Now We be In Some Deep Do-Do!!!/_

11:33 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

NOTHING remains the same? Not sure about that.

But generally, yes, that's the point here, radical change. I'm glad we don't have continuity with the whole Kiffin, Cable, Jackson thing. All they ever got us was 8-8.

Sayonara, I say! Onward and upward.

As for "what DC?" I would say, not Bresnahan, someone picked by our defensive guru of a head coach.

11:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


That's one side of the ball but a game is decided on 3 fronts almost equally....

"O"/"D" -n- "ST"s....

What's your perspective on those fronts???

11:45 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Well, I have no reason to believe the offense will get worse. No reason to expect Allen to make a bad choice at OC, Palmer and the young guns now have a season together under their belt, and a training camp together ahead. Lechler and Jano are still money. Defense should get a lot better. If Allen can't improve the penalty situation, I'd be surprised. I think there will be more unity, structure and clarity in the coaching ranks (remember Hue saying his hands were tied on defense?), and I think this will translate to improved discipline and accountability. McKenzie is said to have a knack for finding diamond free agents in the rough.

Buy, sell or hold on the Raiders right now? BUY BUY BUY, baby!

11:53 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

As a repeat contributor to the Hire a GM billboard,
I could not be happier. I am, however, not convinced that we are "close.". Seems others think that as Allen got a four year deal. Not that things can't go our way but I am prepared to be patient for a few seasons. Looking forward to the presser and the Draft.
RT- I'll have what you are having!

11:59 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

...."PantyRaider...As It Stand Right Now We be In Some Deep Do-Do!!!/_".....

Oh da horor, look at the doom and gloom, wish we had the old method of running a franchise, I mean, look at how well that was going...

....."PantyRaider....Nice Dreams But Based Upon What!!!!/_"....

Based upon what a few have written on here about ten times and you still don't get it...BANG HEAD HERE.

Also, what's with pimping the Donkies on here? O da horor of a Del Rio afraid? Fugg that.


12:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"I have no reason to believe the offense will get worse."

Did we have a reason to believe that our "D" would get so much worse this season???

We have had a top 5 ranked "OL" for one season and only one season after being consistently one of the worse "OL"s in the NFL...What makes you think that won't change with the loss of our "OL" coaches???

If we don't maintain our "OC" all our "O" roster will be learning a brand new system which takes allot of time and effort....It's never a fast transformation...New terminology...New everything!!!...That immediately translates into a short term deficiency!!!

Under those circumstances there's no way you can legitimately pimp this in any form of reality:

"I have no reason to believe the offense will get worse."

Bull Shit...You have every reason to believe that we will suffer a loss of production in the short term!!!

Now what does that translate to???

As slow start to the season and playing from behind mid to late season...That's just a reality of the NFL...

PantyRaider...."Um-Ba-Ya"s Don't Post A Single "V"!!!/_

12:05 PM  
Blogger H said...


You can buy me a pint anytime. In fact, anyone here can buy me a pint. Maybe even two.

But, I still have a case left from the November batch. A nice Smoked Porter. The darker stuff seems to get better with age and needs about two months to smooth out.

I'm so optimistic I'm hoping to get tickets to the game here in Hotlanta when they go on sale. I just don't like watching games in a dome. Too sterile. To damn many jumbotron screens all over the place. I’d take Grandson of H, but at two and a half, I’m not sure he’d be ready for a live game by then.

Based on what I’m reading from the Senior Bowl, I would think they are seriously considering a trade of some sort for earlier draft picks. Some of the players they are looking at would be gone before the fifth round, baring compensatory picks before then.

With some offensive assistances still hanging around Alameda, I’m pretty sure Allen will make some decisions in that area first. I expect a decision on Saunders by the time of the news conference on Monday. Also, maybe the OL coaches. It’s well worth considering keeping them based on performance of the OL last season.

Interesting times.


12:11 PM  
Blogger H said...

"Did we have a reason to believe that our "D" would get so much worse this season???"

Maybe not as bad as they became, but yes. Under Marshall we went from near the bottom to a top five in sacks. There was steady improvement under him.

That is why I believe there will be strong consideration given to keeping many of the offensive staff. That maybe why McKenzie didn't show them all where the parking lot was when he took over. That will be up to Allen. But, remember, He may have his own offensive philosophy.

He may want a more ball control type passing game. Thing is, I believe we have the personnel to do it.


12:18 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

take said: That's not to say that things don't get out of hand sometimes, and all I can do is ask that folks refrain from profanity, personal attacks, etc.


anyway, my thing is: "in reggie we (or at least I) trust.

like you take, i don't know much about dennis allen. at first i was taken aback and said to myself WTH? who the heck is dennis allen? but i like what i'm reading about the guy. he's a hard-ass but at the same time he's a great teacher + he's young. i'm like you - sittin' on my hands waiting for him to fill out his staff but in as much as reggie's been watching this guy since forever, i think he knows jusssst a little bit more about him than we do to trust him as our head coach.

heck man, i'm just glad we didn't get stuck with a retread like capers or 5-27 (or whatever his record is) morninwehg! i guess we all find out more about our mystery man around noontime on monday.

i believe we're just a couple of moves away ie: draft picks (OH WAIT! mani/pedi jackson traded them all away didn't he!), free agent (pro or undrafted college) from being a contender in our division.

I say "contender" because all those teams will be BETTER and stronger once the season starts. ie: KC had LOTS of injuries and they'll be stronger just getting all their guys back. you can bet phillip rivers won't have the same crappy year he had again. so it won't be easy to win our division but hopefully this guy allen will pull a harbaugh on us in 2012.

12:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


One thing about Saunders is that his playbook basically entails everything under the sun...He has prolley even added some "Read-n-React" plays in it by now...Hue only scratched the surface of "The Book"!!!

But keeping Saunders also keeps our terminology in place and that's the huge learning transition that slows everything down while you have to think about the play...Adding and subtracting/substituting plays is just the norm week by week during a season getting ready for each new opponent...Nothing really strenuous there with a whole off season's prep and training camp...

That "OL" is a huge key to our success though and new coaches will most certainly slow the progress...Alternatively having another season together as a base unit should give us hope of even further improvements to an already top 5 rated performance...

Right now that's what my optimism and hope will hinge upon...Keeping the top 10 rated "O" intact and perhaps also our "ST"s while giving full attention to rebuilding what really ails us....

The most humiliating "D" sense Bugle!!!

PantyRaider....Change Can Be Good But Too Much Too Quickly Can Also be Devastating!!!/_

12:47 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

I'll take you up on that pint anytime, Take! Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, the power pasting had nothing to do with you, it was just a general "state of the union" observation, and it struck a chord (but one other than intended). I agree with your case for optimism, and as I learn more about this well-seasoned pub that this outlander stumbled into and pulled up a chair, well, thanks for the welcome. The saloon door is open and the autumn wind is already starting to blow the dust off last season... A tall, cold, frosty mug of Optimism is my drink of choice, and I'd buy around for all... even JONES, who tends to clobber me with my own empty mug whenever he has a chance. Arrgh, it's the Raider way, and yes, I accept that. Cheers.

12:57 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

"You have every reason to believe that we will suffer a loss of production in the short term."

I do? Perhaps you can share those reasons, because I don't see them.

1:00 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

OTB, I think I understood, I appreciated your take and it got my up on my soapbox (sudsbox?) for a little State of The Take address, to share why I love y'all, man.

1:02 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I share your viewpoint about the reasons to be optimistic. I will take a "Black and Tan" pint @ The RaiderTake Pub. (1/2 Guinness Stout, 1/2 Bass Ale) Cheers!

I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012. I am bullish on our young core players, our new GM and HC, our opportunity to improve on the defensive side of the ball, and for Palmer to have a full camp and healthy roster of skill players.

1:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Who is here??

Who is coming??

Who will play??

What will we look like???

Will we win or even compete??


Good grief, where's the fire sparky?

The off-season and season has a natural flow to it. Some of these questions will be answered in the next few months while others will need to wait until the real bullets fly in Sept.

1:19 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


If we fail to retain Al Saunders and subsequently our current top 10 rated "O"...

"You have every reason to believe that we will suffer a loss of production in the short term."

Simple realistic reality for the NFL and it's consistently exhibited from team to team throughout time...

When the "O" is scrapped and everyone has to learn an entirely new system progress is slowed which translates into lower production if the short term....

If you look at what "SF" did this season it was based upon a "D" which was already stout and just got better....NOT upon a "O" that was newly instituted and produced immediate higher results...

"SF" 2010 "O" rank #24...

"SF 2011 "O" rank #26

Points Scored climbed from #24 to #11...

That "D" went from #13 to #4 and that's why they were so improved on the scoreboard...

It's allot faster transition to improve a "D" than to completely change an "O"....

So please now show me an instance of a team who goes threw a complete alteration on the "O" side of the ball and posts substantially improved #s in the short term...That's a complete coaching transition with NO holdovers...

In fact I'll make it simpler...Show me a team who goes threw such a complete transition and even posts an average "O" in the short term...#15 or so...

Or show me a team who already had a top 10 "O" such as we have fielded who went threw such a complete transformation and still maintained the same level of play in the short term!!!

As I posted:

"You have every reason to believe that we will suffer a loss of production in the short term."

Whether you want to believe that of not it's just the reality of the NFL!!!

PantyRaider...Awaiting Your Substantiated List of Accomplishments!!!/_

1:40 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Than how the hell can you post this if you have NO knowledge of who/what/where/how???

"I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012."

On what freakin basis???...Your freakin dreams!!!

And may I remind you that this is what you posted to me last season so now eat your own damn words!!!

Blogger PantyRaider said...


Good points but virtually every NFL team faces those same difficulties with this quick overturning of "FA"s.......

#5...Schedule...I project 11-n-5...That's winning out again in the AFCW and winning 50% of the games outside the AFCW...

Winning one of these 6...


Winning all the rest...


Blogger Calico Jack said...

Throw the 2011 predictions out the window.

Ya!!!...So now "Throw the 2012 predictions out the window."

1:53 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

"State of the Take" address... Love it! LOL Cheers. AFC Crown / MINIMUM. Coach has a legacy in his sights, and, well, so do we.

1:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Shit talk about uncertainty!!!

There is now more uncertainty with this organization than I can ever remember in my 50 yrs of following this team...And now some here are pimping an AFCW crown when we haven't succeeded in how many seasons past???


Ya!!...Right!!...Talk about a whim!!!

1:57 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


What type of results were posted when your "Golden Boy" Gruden came in with his new "O" his 1st season???....Do you remember???

To my memory/knowledge this team has never gone threw such a complete transformation as this in it's entire history???

Never before has the entire coaching staff been ran off??

PantyRaider...Uncertainty of Uncertainties Is !!!

2:09 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR aka "The Sky is Falling",

I gave my reasons for my optimism.

I gave my reasons for the Raiders winning the AFCW.

I don't feel obligated to repeat myself to you as you beat your little fists into the ground.

"more uncertainty"

How is there any more uncertaintly today as opposed to any year going back the past 10 years?

If anything, I believe there is less uncertainty as we build the organization from the top down.

"Oh no, we might have new coaches"
Great! I trust Allen to pick out a fine new staff and retain a few coaches from last year. And?

"will Saunders stay".
Hope so but I won't lose any sleep if Allen has another OC in mind.

Your lack of faith in our new leaders, our current core of players is the epitome of the ultimate "doom and gloomer".

2:11 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

And another thing, I'm not totally consumed with rankings of units.

The stats that are most relevant are:

- Offense scoring average
- Defensive scoring average

S.F. offense AND defense made a huge improvement from 2010 to 2011 under the leadership of 1st year HC Harbaugh.

The offense scored 4 more points per game. The defense gave up 7 points less per game. They jumped 13 places in rankings in offense and 14 places in rankings on D.

The facts are that both our offense AND defense regressed in 2011 vs. 2010.

Scored 25.6 (ranked #6)
Gave up 23.2 (ranked #20)

Scored 22.4 (ranked #16)
Gave up 27.1 (ranked #29)

My focus is and will always be where do we rank in the standings.

2:33 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Rankings Schmankings... old saying goes, "when the bear is chasing us, I don't have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you!" That's also the root of Just Win. Baby, which means win with penalties, necessary roughness, and speed that kills. Some points are inarguable, and this, I believe is a healthy one of them. Unless this team becomes a "finesse squad", which would suck, I look for more of last season, but with less basic penalties and more points. Commitment!

4:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Giving up 27.1 points per game isn't playoff qualifying football.

In our 8 losses alone we gave up 35 points per game which was a killer.

5:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Nice job of demonstrating your complete football ignorance!!!

Only a complete moron would attempt to predict a season record without even a coaching staff in place before the NFL draft while waiting for the "SB" to be played...

Talk about stupidity that's the ultimate!!!

8:57 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The definition of Football Ignorance:

Jack beating his little drum "We Will Be Champs" with only a new "GM" and his new rookie "HC" and NOT another single coach listed of record!!!

Ya!! Right Jack!!...

Reggie and "Dennis The Menace" will strap on the pads and win for us too!!!

What a complete moron!!!

9:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The Oakland Raiders have begun prep for the NFL draft with their scouting at the Senior Bowl.

The practices during the week are just as important as the game on Saturday, as it gives scouts and coaches the opportunity to examine the country’s best senior collegiate talents.

One player Oakland has met with this week has been Texas A&M wide receiver Jeff Fuller. The target had a breakout junior campaign, but as a senior, he dealt with injuries that limited his production. In 2010, lined up against future NFL talent Patrick Peterson in the Cotton Bowl, Fuller compiled 82-yards on seven catches.

He looks to be a developmental player and someone who could be had in later rounds, especially if there’s no improvement from his Senior Bowl week practices during the combine.

Baylor running back Terrance Ganaway has caught the eye of the Silver & Black. The bruising ball carrier has struggled in pass protection and demonstrated poor habits, but looks every bit of a short yardage runner between the tackles.

At 5-11 and 241 pounds, Ganaway has to show more in the coming months to be a viable prospect who could make some noise in his first year.

The Raiders have had their eyes on linebackers all week and spoke to talented, yet troubled cornerback Janoris Jenkins.

He was kicked off the Florida football team for varying offenses, and those character issues will surely drop him on many draft boards. Playing for North Alabama did not provide much top level competition and his meetings throughout the week were as much to rehabilitate his image and possibly get him into the 1st round or top half of the 2nd round in April’s draft.

Offensive lineman Ben Jones (Georgia), who is one of the better center prospects, and is projected to go late in the 2nd or the 3rd round also met with the Raiders.

Alfred Morris, a 5-11, 220-pound running back, caught the eye of scout Zack Crockett.

"He plays physical," said the former Raiders rusher. "For his size, he does a lot of good things. When you look at a guy who loves the game the way he does, you don’t look at the size of the guy. You just know this guy is a player.

"You look at him on special teams, and he’s willing to do that. And for his size at fullback, he’s not afraid to go in there and put a lick on somebody. He thinks he’s at a school that no one knows, but when you are a good player, they will find you anywhere."

Jamell Flemming was a cornerback that impressed many scouts, including those that work for the Raiders. At 5-foot-11 and 200 pounds, his cover skills and physical play at the line of scrimmage are some strengths.

9:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pantyraider said...

I would have to suspect Al Davis is on a role and has very high hopes for the 2011 season if there is one...I share with him in that excitement as we move forward...I like "MrD" have NO desire to wander around in the muck-n-mire on the "Trail-0-Tears" in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"....Like Al I'm fully expecting bigger -n- better this season with 18 exciting games on the schedule...

Now I don't get it...We're being served up a huge fresh clean mug of "Raider Koolaid" and your refusing to partake because...Well because you were lied to in years past and can't find the faith to believe now...

PantyRaider...I Don't Have Such Weaknesses!!!!/_

9:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well here we are Saturday night while waiting until Monday afternoon for the press conference to introduce "Dennis The Menace" as the Raiders new Rookie "HC" and perhaps find out if he has a coaching staff in mind and who they might be....

So lets see what some fans are thinking...

Jack!!..."I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012. I am bullish on our young core players, our new GM and HC, our opportunity to improve on the defensive side of the ball"

Humm!!...Don't you consider this presumptions NFL prediction prior to even knowing the coaches and prior to this season's NFL Draft to be just a little premature Jack???

Jack!!!..."Your lack of faith in our new leaders, our current core of players is the epitome of the ultimate "doom and gloomer"."

"If anything, I believe there is less uncertainty as we build the organization from the top down.

"Oh no, we might have new coaches"
Great! I trust Allen to pick out a fine new staff"

Well folks there you have it...Jack thinks if Harbaugh could do it than surely this new kid can who has NEVER been a "HC" at any level or ever hired a single coach in his lifetime who has only one season as a "DC" working under his veteran "HC" Fox who was the "D" mind who set everything in order so thus the Kid never had to act completely on his own!!!...

Jack!!!..."My focus is and will always be where do we rank in the standings."

Oh!!...And where did you rank Jack?...#17 if I'm not mistaken but now threw some miraculous chain of events a rookie "HC" will take you to the promised land??...

Jack!!!..."I don't feel obligated to repeat myself to you as you beat your little fists into the ground."

LoL!!!.....Myopic or what!!!

9:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Anonymous said...9:20...

Exactly!!!...And I still don't get it???

At the time of my post none of us even knew if there would be an NFL season or how many games it would entail...

But we had a new "HC" who had already been our "OC" and greatly changed the production of our "O" in one season into that of respectability...He brought in with him one of the most respected "O" minds in the game to serve as his "OC"...Al Saunders...We were looking at a fairly weak schedule on paper and had already completed the NFL draft I believe...Huge amounts of $$$$ against our Cap were about to be vaporized so the Raiders could be active in "FA"...

Yet at that time these newbie "Optimist Pimps" were doing their usual "Crier's Dance" pimping "Doom-n-Gloom" as the certain future of this franchise!!!

Now comes some complete moron or 2 who are pimping AFCW Chaps before we even have one freaking coach officially named let alone his staff or the draft or anything else besides a new rookie "GM"!!!

Now that is totally Looney!!!

"PantyRaider...I Don't Have Such Weaknesses!!!!/_"

10:04 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Nice job of demonstrating your complete football ignorance!!!

Only a complete moron would attempt to predict a season record without even a coaching staff in place before the NFL draft while waiting for the "SB" to be played..." - BR

Nice try Sherlock. I didn't predict a record. I predicted a AFCW crown. And the problem with that?

10:17 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"The definition of Football Ignorance:

Jack beating his little drum "We Will Be Champs" with only a new "GM" and his new rookie "HC" and NOT another single coach listed of record!!!" - BR

Strike 2. Never predicted "champs". Keep tryin' to take the wind out of my sails with your lies, pessimism, and doom and gloom ... ain't going to happen.

So let me get this straight PR, the man who predicts the sky is falling and little fists are bloody from pounding the pavement ...

You are upset with all of the Raider fans who are optimistic about the Raiders future? Is that correct? Sad day when somehow it isn't ok to be positive and optimistic about the team you love.

10:21 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

For the record:

These new "Optimist Pimps" are the same old "Doom-n-Gloomers" who season after season cried that NO top tier coaching prospect was coming to OakTown!!!

They cried that only with a new "GM" would such a thing take place and that until that time this team would never win again!!!

Well now some of this clan are crying "Champs" as if Bill Cowher was about to be introduced and the new "HC" instead of some rookie who hasn't accomplish anything of record on his own to date!!!

LoL!!!...So Ya!!...I'm calling "Foul" on this one because this stench is absurd!!!

So how does a group of malcontent "Mutinous Dogs" go from being "Doom-n-Gloomers" one moment to being myopic "Champ Pimps" in the very next breath???

Simple answer:

"Ding Dong the which is dead"

Just as in life Al Davis was the thorn in their side and their platform for malcontent his death has now become their reason for cheer!!!!

Undeniably so!!!

10:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Well folks there you have it...Jack thinks if Harbaugh could do it than surely this new kid can who has NEVER been a "HC" at any level or ever hired a single coach in his lifetime who has only one season as a "DC" working under his veteran "HC" Fox who was the "D" mind who set everything in order so thus the Kid never had to act completely on his own!!!..." - PR

PR, your schtick of taking stuff out of context and outright lies is getting very old.

10:28 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

For the record, I predicted AFCW champs not SB Champs.

10:30 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

It is crystal clear to me now.

Little boy PR is upset at me because I'm optimistic and he is pessimistic.

I'm excited about the future and he thinks the world will end because we don't have a complete coaching staff in place and the draft hasn't happened yet.

I'm filled with joy and he is filled with anger.

I'm a Raiders fan and he is a Al Davis fan.

Did I miss anything PR or are you too busy putting bandages on your little baby hands?

10:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Jack LIAR!!!

"I didn't predict a record. I predicted a AFCW crown"

You absolute moron!!...Your football ignorance is beyond all reason!!!

AFCW Crown is for being AFCW Champs you freakin idiot!!!

You predicted enough of a winning record to qualify for the "PO"s or do you think Reggie puts you inn by default???

Get you gad dumb head out of your ass and think about something before your sweet little finger start playing on that keyboard!!!

Get you damn crayon and I'll draw you a freakin picture!!!

We don't even officially have a single coach yet!!!

We are waiting for that to take place Monday and hoping to find out who if anyone is on his staff!!!...This is NOT the time to run your childish little mouth about being "Champs"!!!....It's time to wait and see what transpires with hopes of a future!!!

I don't know what you've been drinking but it's definitely made you dumber and dumber and dumber!!!

Prolley something that Demon JONES gave you and you were dumb enough to slurp it all down!!!

10:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Finally saw how damn outright stupid you pimp was???

Blogger Calico Jack said...

For the record, I predicted AFCW champs not SB Champs.


"PR, your schtick of taking stuff out of context and outright lies is getting very old."

"I didn't predict a record. I predicted a AFCW crown."

"Strike 2. Never predicted "champs". Keep tryin' to take the wind out of my sails with your lies,"

Obviously confusion has taken over where reason should have been!!!...Put down you Crack Pipe now and stop drinking that "Demon" Juice that JONES is feed you...Maybe you can eventually return to your senses if you ever really had any???

10:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Was that "power pasting" or what??/

10:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well it's now very apparent that your a fuckin idiot Jack and not very quick on your feet...

Or at least that your wits are spaced out some 10 steps behind your pompous ass!!!

10:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now onto the reality at hand rather than listening to the stupidity that Jack's trying to Pimp!!!

"It seems to make sense for Allen to retain Saunders so that he can enter his first season without having to worry very much about the offense. From there, he could put a ton of energy and attention toward a defense that cost the Raiders several games last season."

It has also been speculated that Oregon's "OC" may be a candidate in Dennis' sights....But in what capacity??/

Well perhaps as Assistant "HC-O" with Al Saunders staying on as "OC"???..Now that may get me rather excited???...

The terminology would remain the same but we would get a new young and aggressive play caller who has shown some very good success at the college level...He would have a very good selection of weapons in his arsenal and no doubt a few others on the way...

Now if we can just keep the "OL" staff together as well we may actually be in the "PO" hunt this upcoming season???


"Allen likely will have suitable answers for all these questions. Whether they are the right answers remains to be seen. No one knows how Allen is going to pan out as a head coach. It’s just another on a long list of questions that beg answers."

Unfortunately folks this is the reality at hand and it will be some time before we really have the answer here...But if he at least makes a move to retain what was working than we can start to see some progress early on rather than late in the season when this team is finally ready to catch on...

PantyRaider....That Fog Will Lift But It Hasn't Yet!!!!/_

11:12 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...that was actually some pretty credible brawlin betw Jack and Panty... I just sent some brewskies to yer lockers. Back in the Hostetler days when Silver and Black Illustrated would print my letters, I was even published in criticizing Al Davis back then too... so, I guess this ship has been needi.g a changing of the guard for some time, by popular demand. We also knew that Al would fight to the dwath, and he did. Rest in peace Al... no ones perfect, and thank you for this ship. Its full steam ahead.

12:38 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I'm rather particular as to who I drink with!!!

Stop making such a complete "Jack Ass" out of yourself and get a freakin grip on reality!!!

You posted:
Blogger Calico Jack said...

For the record, I predicted AFCW champs not SB Champs.

10:30 PM
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012.

1:08 PM

Care to make a little wager Jack???

You already squirmed and cowered out of the last one so lets say "Double-or-Nothing" shall we??

2 seasons instead of one to make up for this one that threw your LIES you have failed to live up to!!!

So here it is...Don't try to change a word it's exactly as you posted it:

#1...On the line is to stay away from this board for 2 entire seasons which also includes sneaking in as some AnnoAss in disguise!!!

#2...As stated by you Jack This is the wager:

A)..."AFCW crown in 2012"

B)..."I predicted AFCW champs"

#2...You take your Demon boyfriend with you Jack!!!

Now just sign on the dotted line....................!!!

I for my part do hereby declare that my Raiders will NOT win the "AFCW crown in 2012" and if they do I will stay away from this site for 2 complete seasons in full compliance although I already won the 1st go around so this should only cost me a single season...But I'm so confident that I will wager 2 full seasons!!!

Do we have an accord Jack???

1:38 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jethro is just pissed because his Donkies lost their best coach. Anyone else notice that he said the Raiders need to be scared because Del Rio will be their DC? Del Rio ain't shit and neither is his hero, Timmy Tebought. I could see Jethro doing the 'pose'after he writes 5 straight posts of insanity.

I'll bet you Jethro, but I have my own conditions. If something of say, a major rash of injuries occur or other major occurrence was to happen that devestates the team, then it doesn't continue. + if more join in on the bet, for each 1, you have to leave another 2 years added to the 1st 2 years. +, you would have to be HONEST and step up and admit to all your alias names and that you could no longer use them in the period of the term. + you would have to be HONEST and swear you would not make more bogus names under a new persona. That you would have to admit to being the 'faida' guy. That you would have to apologize for being such an asshole on this


2:40 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

For a throw away, Take, I thought that was one of your best takes in quite some time. Very reasonable case for optimism. I have only one quibble.

"Again, look at McKenzie's credentials, then tell me why I shouldn't be confident that he found a strong coach for us."

While McKenzie's credentials argue for optimism, they don't argue for confidence. McKenzie has absolutely NO background for identifying the talent of a never before head coach. His background is for identifying player talent, and one does not necessarily equate to the other.

It is extremely difficult to identify a first time head coach. As an example, I'd point out that Romeo Crennel was once viewed as the hottest head coaching prospect in the NFL. Given his chance in Cleveland, all they saw was more of the same.

In regards to hearing good things about Allen, we hear good things about every coaching hire right after they're hired. It's after they've been around for a season or two...

I do have confidence that the defense will be better next season. Much better. However, statistically we had a much better defense in 2006 - we only won two games that season. So a better defense won't always translate to more winning. I acknowledge that we have far more talent (but only if it stays healthy) than we did in 2006.

It does appear that Allen may retain Saunders, which I think is wise. However, for our current talent, I think someone like Trestman might be better. I think Trestman is better at manipulating positive player match-ups.

9:29 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Hey, Calico. That quote you are attributing to me isn't mine.

9:44 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, Calico, I didn't say that Davis had 41 winning season. I said Al was a winner for 41 of his years.

That will be disputed by JONES, but the fact is we were never going to recreate the success under Madden. Madden had the best freakin' W/L record in the history of the sport. Through 10 years he did not have ONE under .500 season. He only failed to make the playoffs in his final year, his worst record at 9-7. After that, Flores was a difficult act to follow as well, with two SBs.

But as for Madden, calling him a "winning coach" is one hell of an understatement. Madden defined the goal of the winning coach.

9:51 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Take, I will add this to what I have said to you earlier. On the optimistic side of things I find it very encouraging to hear that McKenzie wasn't just blown over by Allen's first interview. The report was that McKenzie had been tracking Allen's career since his college coaching days.

So it's not just a couple of interviews that McKenzie is going on. He's watched a progression that he likes.

9:58 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I'm not going back to check, but I think my prediction, if I made one, for 2011 was that the Raiders would win 10 to 11 games unless they experienced injuries to major contributors. In that case I think I predicted 7 to 9 wins.

I think I made that prediction just before the season started. Only the insane would bet on an outcome for 2012 before the 2011 SB is even played. We don't even know who our assistant coaches will be. We have no idea what personnel adjustments will be made.

It could easily be that Allen comes in with a long term plan and completely blows up the team roster his first year. If so, still going with AFCW champions?

It's not likely that you'll see a prediction from me this year because too much has been overturned (and I don't believe that the death of Davis is addition by subtraction as many seem to believe) and too much is yet uncertain. If I make a prediction it will be after the first game or two of the season.

That is, unless there are some huge developments that point to unquestioned improvement. That could happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

10:27 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The 1st post of this thread was Jones asking for predictions. My prediction for 2012 AFCW champs stands.

Technically speaking, Al was a winner 28 years of his Raiders life.

It's too bad that you are so upset by our optimism and support of the new Raiders era. And no, I won't bet you under any conditions.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"It could easily be that Allen comes in with a long term plan and completely blows up the team roster his first year. If so, still going with AFCW champions?"

I don't believe Reggie will make a move unless it improves the product on the field. If it isn't going to help the team right now, then the player who is at that position stays. With limited draft picks and College F.A.'s, that is hard to do, so I wouldn't count on too many personel moves and if there are moves it will be to better a position, not weaken it. So, basically look for close to the same starting roster. Now, Reggie will bring in more depth, he wants to push the starters at all positions, competition creates better players. I have full confidence in Reggie and D.A. to fill out the coaching roster with quality that are all on the same page. I have confidence that a better scheme will be inplace on Defense with better coaching. I have confidence that the team will be very inspired this year, they will feel as if they went through a time warp and jetted into 2012. They will be very prepared to play each and every Sunday, unlike past years. So, with basically the same roster, with a better coaching staff = Hue and Chuck were a joke, a more together unit all going in one direction, can only mean one thing.....MORE WINS. So you can call me insane and all the rest...I have thrown my hat bout you?


11:28 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...


Raiders will win the west. They came within one win this season and that was with one of the worst coaching staffs since...Art II. There is no way the new coaching staff can be that bad and it won't be. I like Lechler's quote about being more prepared now.

The Org will be a harmonized unit...the players are going to be playing their nuts off, they have been dying for a system like this. They will be fully prepared, something that wasn't happening and everyone else will see, the Raiders are going to kick the AFC West's ass. Denver players said it was like night and day with D.A. as the DC....we are going to see that in Oakland come September, I'll bet my failing ticker on it.


11:39 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I'm usually not the type to throw my hat unless I know where I'm throwing it.

You and I agree that blowing up the roster would be a mistake. But coaches who I thought I liked have done things I didn't agree with. I liked getting Rob Ryan, when we got him, until he started trying to convert all of our D-linemen into LBs (which happened as soon as he walked in the door).

Also, don't forget that McKenzie says Allen will have full control of the product on the football field - players and coaches.

I don't know that much of how Allen thinks. He could believe that the mix of players on the defense is not a good one and start trading players (on offense and defense) for draft picks.

A four year contract is a contract that offers patience, not a contract that says "win now."

11:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"And no, I won't bet you under any conditions."

You lost last time while slithering your way out like a snake!!!...But this one would have been rather funny only because your such a freakin idiot with you (-) sub zero Football "IQ"!!!
I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012.
You freakin idiot Denver has already won that and there won't be a 2nd "AFCW crown in 2012" unless the scheduling is completely revamped!!!

End of season games:

2009....17 Sun January 3
2010....17 Sun January 2
2011....17 Sun January 1

LoL!!!....Your an idiot!!!

I told you to stop eating those stupid pills that the Demon JONES was feeding you but NO!!!....You like your silly little friends!!!

LoL!!!....What a moron!!!

Holy dumb-dumb BatMan!!!...That Jack's a Looney!!!

11:52 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Whoops!!!...Last one should have been:

11:55 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

...."Also, don't forget that McKenzie says Allen will have full control of the product on the football field - players and coaches.

I don't know that much of how Allen thinks. He could believe that the mix of players on the defense is not a good one and start trading players (on offense and defense) for draft picks."....

Ahhh, Reggie takes care of the personel dept, Allen is the coach. Reggie already laid out what he intends to do. He will upgrade wherever possible, he doesn't rush into hasty decisions, he wants to build competition within the roster = quality depth.

It will be up to Allen to coach the players and discuss what players could be dropped or whatever. But it is Reggie who makes those decisions. This is how an Org needs to be run to create WINS. You have the GM who controls the player side of it, you have the coaching staff who is hired to get the most out of the players and have a cohesive unit. This is the best formula for wins, the team almost was there last season...they are only going to get better...hence an AFC West title in 2012.


11:57 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

A couple of things...

I mentioned Cleveland earlier. I think we can all be thankful we're not Browns fans. Cleveland hasn't seen a championship since well before the AFL/NFL merger. I think they've only made the play offs about five or six times. And whatever proud history they have is in actuality linked to the team in Baltimore. The Ravens just aren't allowed to market that lineage.

I said earlier that the Raiders were like an expansion franchise. I think there's a lot of truth to that, and it occurs to me that parallels can be drawn with the Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens came into existence by the purchase of the Cleveland Browns. But because the city of Cleveland complained so mightily, the Ravens were called an expansion franchise, with the Browns history remaining in Cleveland and the actual expansion franchise took on the identity of the Browns.

So the Browns became the Ravens with a new organizational structure and a new, defensive minded, head coach.

They had a lot of success in Baltimore. I hope we do that well.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

..."A four year contract is a contract that offers patience, not a contract that says "win now."....

A four year contract means "we believe you are the man for the job". It means, that's what it took to land this guy. It means stability, HC's getting 1 yr and 2 yr deals just had no stability to it and it was not conducive to attracting good quality coaches.


12:00 PM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Here's a blog that was posted on
January 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM.

Was an interesting read so I wanted to share this blog. It has not be altered so therefore I take no credit for this post. Promising D Coach in my opinion. Ty

" From Thoughts from the Dark Side:

UPDATE: Just hours after confirming Emmitt Thomas was "in the mix" for the Raiders DC position, Alex Marvez confirmed that Thomas is "OUT of the mix". BUT, as things often go, another candidate has come to light. Another defensive coach who has ties with Dennis Allen is the Saints defensive line coach Bill Johnson. He now becomes the top candidate for the position although being "in the mix" is not confirmed the connection between the two is undeniable.
Bill Johnson and Dennis Allen have spent nearly their entire coaching careers together. They coached together at Texas A&M in the late nineties, then Johnson came to the Falcons in 2001 and Allen joined him the following season. They also coached together in New Orleans during Johnson's first two seasons as the Saints defensive line coach.
Johnson has a long history of developing defensive line talent in his 11 years as an NFL coach.
In Johnson's third fourth year as an NFL coach with the Falcons, Atlanta reached the NFC Championship Game with the defensive line leading the NFL in sacks (48) for the first time in franchise history. The Falcons also ranked eighth in the NFL in run defense, Patrick Kerney had a career-high 13 sacks and Rod Coleman led all defensive tackles with 11.5.
Coleman was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2005, and his 28 sacks from 2004-06 were the most by a defensive tackle in the NFL over that span. Kerney was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2004, and the defensive end had 53 sacks under Johnson's tutelage from 2001-06, notching at least 10 sacks in three seasons.
During his tenure as defensive line coach with Atlanta from 2001-06, the team twice ranked in the top 10 in fewest yards allowed and fewest yards per carry (2004, 2006).
During his two seasons with the Broncos, he coached a unit that in 2007 tied for second in the NFL with nine takeaways, combining for seven fumble recoveries and two interceptions. That season, DE Elvis Dumervil tied for sixth in the league with 12.5 sacks.
The line thrived under Johnson in 2009. Defensive end Will Smith finished fifth in the NFL with a career-high 13 sacks. The defense finished second in the NFL in red zone touchdown percentage s(39.3). In 2010, the Saints defense improved from 25th in the NFL to 4th in yardage allowed."

12:03 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Oh, you sure got me there, hey Jethro? If I was to point out all your would take me about a week....kettle calling?


12:05 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

So suddenly the Raiders are on one-year-or-bust timeline?

The same folks telling me year after year to give the Raiders another year to get their you-know-what together are now trying to extort 2012 Won-Loss records from me just because I'm are optimistic about the changes that have taken place at the executive and coaching level?

I see no reason why the West can't be won. I believe that the Raiders are going about things the right way, and I believe that it will produce results and get us to the next level. So what if it takes a couple of years?

I was increasingly impatient with an executive/organizational structure that year after year failed to produce a winning record, and all you did every offseason is holler at me about not being optimistic enough.

Then a clean slate comes and suddenly NOW you're impatient?

Get real. I've made my case as to why I believe the Raiders are on the right track.

You tell me where I'm wrong, or quit questioning my optimism and trying to extort gotcha predictions.

Tell me!

12:28 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


The "expansion" tag and parallel to the Ravens is completely erroneous. Why you keep bringing it up is beyond me.

An expansion team is a team that starts from scratch. Suggesting that the 2012 Raiders are starting from scratch is silly.

You lost the last bet. To suggest that there was a big "free agent splash" is disingenuous. The only big name free agent that we signed was Kevin Boss who really was a non-factor. ALL the other players acquired either through trades or other means were not free agents. Keep spinnin' but you have no business being on this board.

BTW Mr. Einstein, although this year's season ended on Jan. 1, 2012, the winner of the AFCW (Broncos) was the 2011 AFCW champs. You are and will always be a mental midget. Congrats!

12:34 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Don't you find it ironic that the same folks who preached patience and optimism for 9 YEARS in spite of a broken structure and non-winning records are now the same fans who have done a complete 180 degree turn ... belching impatience, pessimism, lack of faith, instant results, etc. ?

12:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Oakland Raiders (1999–2003)

Rod Coleman was drafted by Al Davis and played on the AFC Champion "D" under Bresnahan...He was rather productive but made a bigger name for himself after leaving the Raiders...

Bill Johnson does sound like an interesting "DL" coach but does he translate into a "DC"???...That's a role that requires you to think in game speed and anticipate their next move...

I am rather hopeful that "Dennis The Menace" will call his own game while his "DC" is an assistant who helps draw up the weekly schemes and implements/teaches them to the players...Wears a headset and views things from the booth with ides based off what he sees...An extra set of eyes so to speak...


The "trying to extort gotcha predictions" was on the part of "Jack-n-JONES" NOT anyone else!!!

How could anyone with the slightest football "IQ" even consider making predictions at this point in time???

We haven't even been introduced to our new "HC" yet and have no idea if he even has a staff or who he is even considering to serve here there or anywhere???...That's pure out and out stupidity to even consider at this point!!!

The only thing that I saw asked of you is what are your expectations for your "New Era In Raider History"???

You have consistently pimped that "Winning is everything" and that if it's NOT than it's NOT acceptable but now it appears your back way off that mark and pimping:

"So what if it takes a couple of years?"

LoL!!!...To what do we now owe that turnaround to???...

I don't know if your even the same "RT" or an imposter???...What up with the huge change-up from that little bitch who was demanding to win now...Demanding to see the results on the field...Demanding to see that "SacreBoard" light up with "V"s!!!

"I believe" is the only thing your holding onto now so all I can take from that is that you failed to believe in anything that Al Davis did or tried...

In other words:

"Ding Dong the which is dead"

Has given you hope where no hope could dwell for several seasons past!!!

Talk about "Premature Ejaculations"""!~!!

PantyRaider....Celebrations Before We Even Look At The Cart Let Alone Purchase It!!!/_

1:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Your football "IQ" just keeps diminishing the more you open your stupid mouth...Or type with that dumb finger!!!

"the winner of the AFCW (Broncos) was the 2011 AFCW champs."

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1:21 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

..."How could anyone with the slightest football "IQ" even consider making predictions at this point in time???"...

Backwards...those with a Football IQ can see what is coming....only those who have shown no ability to gauge what they are seeing chose the Raiders will "be good" year after year. Now those same people are CRYING that it is chaos and very unstable. That alone is huge evidence that the Raiders will be much better this upcoming season. Those who have a Football IQ can see that the Raiders are going places, those who are lost in the black hole have no idea what they see. That's on you, fool.


1:23 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

..."We haven't even been introduced to our new "HC" yet and have no idea if he even has a staff or who he is even considering to serve here there or anywhere???...That's pure out and out stupidity to even consider at this point!!!"...

I've laid out the bet, you haven't even answered, coward.


1:25 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I'm looking forward to the conference tomorrow. I would like to know who we are bringing in for DC, and if we are retaining the OC, or bringing in another guy. I would like to know if Allen is going to call defensive plays, and let the other coaches do "their thing"; or if he is going to manage all aspects of the game. I'm more concerned with this last one.

I think a big part of our problem in the last decade, has been having a Head Coach who didn't manage the entire game plan, but stuck to his "specifics." Don't get me wrong, every head coach came out of something they specialized in; but a great Head Coach understands enough to manage the entire game (McCarthy, Tomlin, Dungy, Coughlin, Fisher, Cowher, Gruden, Madden, Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Marv Levy, etc). I truly think that is why we didn't finish better than 8-8 this year, because Hue would not manage every aspect of the game plan, only the offense. So I am most interested in hearing Allen's philosophy on being a Head Coach.

I will be honest enough to say that if he is going to focus on the defense and let the other coaches do their thing, I'm going to be skeptical. If he comes out and says he is going to manage all aspects of the game, I'm going to be with Calico Jack in saying that we will win the AFCW.

Either way, the bottom line is this, I am always excited for a new Raiders' season! If we are coming off a losing season (like the last 9-10), then my excitment is "Let's build on what we do best and move forward." If we are coming off a winning ('02 being the last), my excitment is "Let's continue to bring fear to our opponents. I am always optimistic when it comes to my Raiders, regardless of who is coaching, owning, managing, etc. I'm optimistic because of the change I see, I'm optimistic because we are not wanting to stay at 8-8; but we are moving to make our team better, fresher, and stronger. Gotta like that!

I will complain when my optimism is not backed by what was sold. The last 9 years, I've come into the season optimistic, only to be disappointed. A lot of our issues has been with player discipline in their positions (overshooting their gaps, trying to make a play but not in the position they should be in, not willing to understand the playbook, etc); at the same time, the coaches were not willing to correct it; Hue Jackson included (because if it wasn't on the offensive side of the ball, it wasn't his problem. Which is why the offensive penalties went down, but the defensive did not).

I believe these things are changing, and will change in the immediate future. I believe we will improve on 8-8 this season. I believe the Raiders are going to be feared in this league again, and I'm not the only one. JUST WIN, BABY!!!!

3:04 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Don't you find it ironic that the same folks who preached patience and optimism for 9 YEARS in spite of a broken structure and non-winning records are now the same fans who have done a complete 180 degree turn ... belching impatience, pessimism, lack of faith, instant results, etc. ?

Actually not at all.

The team isn't that far off right now. It is no time for patience. The window of greatness is small in the NFL... there is no reason to be patient.. ie.. BLOW UP THE TEAM right now.

That was a few years ago when we had no offense, no defense, no QB, and no coaching.

Now all we are missing is defense and defensive coaching.


There is no reason to be patient now.

3:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Let's see, I've long been advocating for:

-A new GM to guide football operations.
-A broader search of head coaching candidates when there's an opening
-A head coach with the authority and independence to pick his own staff
-Less ownership involvement in the running of the defense
-Not being stuck in old ways, such as only hiring head coaches with an offensive background

Now all of this is happening, and you're questioning why I'm happy and optimistic?

It's for the same reason you are unhappy right now, since you've been angry at me for advocating these things.

It is all about winning. I believe that these changes will produce a winner. That's why I advocated them. Very simple.

It may not happen overnight. I've said hire and independent GM and and coach and give them three years. I stand by that. I suppose you'll give them nine, right?

3:10 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

CJ.. the caveat to this is if you think Palmer is a horrible QB like JaMarcus, and we have no hope with DHB, Moore, McF, Ford, Veldeer, Wiz... etc... then just say it.
We should then put every single one of them on the block and lets just start the fuck over.

Thats what "patience" means.

Thats where we were 4 years ago.

I see no reason for it now.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

It may not happen overnight. I've said hire and independent GM and and coach and give them three years. I stand by that. I suppose you'll give them nine, right?

I know this isn't my discussion... but i've said a million times every coach needs 3 years, but I see no reason for anything DRASTIC.

Well, except defense.

The only person I think should be safe is Shaunessy and he was injured last year.

Well Branch.

The offense is young and set besides depth.

This isn't a TIME for patience.

Billichick has won with less...

He's got a great nose tackle and a herd of nothing on defense and they may win a ring this year...

3:31 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


When I used the word 'patience' it was in the general context of allowing the off-season to unfold to include the hiring of the coaching staff, the draft, free agency, etc.

I also used the word 'patience' to illustrate how ridiculous it is for some of the posters to all of the sudden want instant results when they seemed rather content the past 9 years 'waiting until next year'.

As I clearly stated, I expect the Raiders to win the AFCW title THIS YEAR.

Is this being too patient for you?

3:35 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

When many of us were preaching patience 2-4 years ago... name the players we should have kept back then (non-kickers?)

Asum and McF?

Hell, check that... McF sucked his first two years and nobody wanted him (yes, I thought he sucked too).

That is why we preached patience.

Its a BIG difference now... this team is not that bad...

3:41 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

In my view, the much talked about '3 year plan' is about building a team that has the capabilities of winning the SB in year 3.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I also used the word 'patience' to illustrate how ridiculous it is for some of the posters to all of the sudden want instant results when they seemed rather content the past 9 years 'waiting until next year'.

CJ... I remember those wars... I remember me posting A LOT OF TEAMS SUCK for large periods of time in the NFL.

Hell, besides a handful (GB, Phili, NE, Pitts, Balt) most teams go on bad streaks.

Ok... I agree our bad steaks were worse than most other bad streaks, but that is why we preached patience.

Do you understand where I am coming from???

To preach patience when the team sucked (as do 50% of all teams do) seems practical. To preach patience NOW... when we FINALLY have a franchise QB, two straight 8-8 seasons, and a top ten offense... doesn't make sense.

If you don't think we should be patient now, stop comparing it to where we were 2-4 years ago...

3:47 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Blogger Calico Jack said...

In my view, the much talked about '3 year plan' is about building a team that has the capabilities of winning the SB in year 3.

If the plan is to win a SB in 2015-16, we should just BLOW THE TEAM UP.

If thats what McK wants to do, and you are fine with that... say it... I am not in agreement.

I think we should be a SB team in the next two years... preferably next year.

We have the pieces already (that is if anyone agrees with me that Palmer is a SB quality QB... and McF is the best RB in the league(especially with Peterson having major knee surgery))

3:54 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I think that the worst kind of patience would have been saying we're close, let Hue carry on, etc.

I think that Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie have demonstrated appropriate impatience with Jackson, and with organizational truisms such as not giving head coaches control over their staff, only considering offensive minded head coaches, etc.

This is necessary change, change that I've been waiting for. Whenever there's big change, there can be an adjustment period, and I'm okay with that. But I can tell you one thing, I won't be patient to the degree that you've been bugging me to be for so many years.

You think Hue Jackson was on the very cusp of leading this team to a long stretch of excellence, and the Davis and McKenzie and Allen are just screwing it up?

Honestly, I just don't get it.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

take, what was that you said? "all I can do is ask that folks refrain from profanity, personal attacks, etc."

i think that lasted about 1 second...


4:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Our bad streak was the worst in the entire history of the NFL.

The last 2 years we were a more competitive team but fell short of the mark.

This year, as far as I'm concerned is year 1 in a brand new era.

My expectations in year 1:

- Assemble a top notch coaching staff
- Clear out the dead wood
- Begin to establish stability
- Win the AFCW title
- Set ourselves up for an even better year 2 in the new era

4:06 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"If the plan is to win a SB in 2015-16, we should just BLOW THE TEAM UP.

If thats what McK wants to do, and you are fine with that... say it... I am not in agreement." - Gary

No, the "3 year plan" is only a guide or what most people would expect to be a reasonable time table for a team that wasn't in the playoffs the previous year(s).

No, it doesn't mean blowing the team up. It means building and fine-tuning the existing team from year to year.

Part of that is using draft choices to add depth.

Certainly we can all agree that McKenzie's hands are fairly tied up in year 1 in terms of draft choices. In year 2 he will have most of the draft choices.

The "3 year plan" doesn't mean it is impossible for a team to win a SB in year 1 or year 2. It dows mean that it is unlikely.

This is what I'm talking about when you are looking at a 3 year plan:

Year 1: The obvious goal of reaching the playoffs

Year 2: Advancing in the playoffs

Year 3: A Team that has the playoff experience and all the pieces in place to hoist the Lombardi Trophy.

4:14 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I don't know what else I can do Scorpio, but I feel your pain.

4:24 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Seems like this bickering could be settled if folks would answer a few simple questions. Then we would know where folks stand instead of both sides saying the other is putting words in the others' mouths:

Do you think Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie are screwing anything up so far? If so, what?

Do you think that the Raiders are on the right track since the end of the season to today? If not, why?

I don't think those are unfair questions, given that I and others are being yelled at for believing in McKenzie's decisions so far and thinking that the Raiders are on the right track.

I look forward to your profanity-free answers.

4:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

One of McKenzie's primary goals (he said as much) is to get everybody involved and on the same page. By itself, that would be huge for the Raiders.

The Raiders have been fragmented and in organizational disarray for way too long.

Just win, baby! That sounds good, but we've seen that it’s not that simple anymore.

After watching first hand the bad coaching, communication breakdowns and distractions from the #1 priority of winning, the current “all for one and one for all” approach is extremely refreshing.

IMO, when this org gets running on all cylinders and everybody works in concert and with open communication, the team will break it's current plateau... you can bank on it.

Just listening to McKenzie gives me the feeling he understands that and will get it done.

5:52 PM  
Blogger Doobie said...

RT, you're dead-on with your comments about MacKenzie and Allen.

The bottom line right now is that that, for the first time since 1963, the Raiders will not be directly influence by one Allen "Al" Davis. While the franchise doesn't appear to be in a state of confusion or disarray, there is a big question mark as to where it goes from here.

We can sit here and and wring our hands in despair but the truth is that Mark Davis did pretty much everything we hoped he WOULD do. Like you already said, he consulted with Madden and Wolf and hired a blue-chip GM prospect in MacKenzie and then MacKenzie did what any blue-chip GM prospect would do...hired who he felt was the best coach on the market...someone who will now build his own hand-picked staff of assistants...what a novel idea.

For the first time in a long time, the management structure is going to work like a normal management structure...each manager hiring someone below him and then placing faith in that person to excel in their duties.

Now that it's in place, I'm eager to see how it works out.

6:47 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...


"Do you think Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie are screwing anything up so far? If so, what?"

I've said repeatedly that I think Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie are doing everything right.

"Do you think that the Raiders are on the right track since the end of the season to today? If not, why?"

I've said repeatedly that, so far, I absolutely think the Raiders are on the right track.

I've praised Davis for "knowing what he doesn't know," and giving over everything to McKenzie. I've acknowledged the logic of McKenzie dumping Hue. I've praised McKenzie for tracking the long term career of his selected head coach.

All I've done is ask legitimate questions. And for that been berated, called a pessimist and a hypocrite.

And you're the one that's outraged, RT?

9:13 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm not outraged. Glad to hear we're on the same page.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Good luck getting any credible, on-point answers to your questions.

I'm thrilled with everything that has taken place since Jan. 1st.

I look forward to Allen's PC tomorrow and learning about the staff that he is assembling.

9:20 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here's exactly where I am...

I had often said that as long as he breathed, Al Davis would find a way to win. It would have been a thrill for me to see Al Davis build a competitor once again.

I believe that he was on the road to doing that. I believe Hue Jackson was part of his design. But an Al Davis design won't work for anyone but Al Davis. McKenzie's biggest understatement to Jackson was, "I want to go in another direction."

I had no idea what Mark Davis would be like when he took over, but I have to say that he is exactly the man I would want him to be. He is his own man, and he is self aware.

From what I have heard of McKenzie before and after Davis' death and after McKenzie's hiring, he would have been my choice for GM. When I heard he was in the mix, I hoped he'd be chosen. I even think I've commented about that on this site before McKenzie was hired.

McKenzie, from what I've heard, did a good job looking over the field. But I've also pointed out that Davis knows something about everyone in the NFL. He knew every coach. But I also understand why it was difficult, in these times, to get a high profile HC to work with him.

I've talked about that, too. I've pointed to Madden who didn't get his due until years after his retirement. He didn't because people always questioned how much of it was him, and how much was Al.

Although along with denying you credit, it also can get you off the hook (i.e., Jackson - I didn't have chance - Davis ran the defense).

Dennis Allen wasn't on my radar at all, except that I acknowledged the quality of defense in Denver this past season. It makes me more confident that McKenzie wasn't just wowed by a couple of good interviews. McKenzie has been tracking Allen's career since his college coaching days as a prospective future HC. That means that, while McKenzie has no prior experience selecting a HC, he has been preparing for the task for some time.

If Allen recognizes the unbelievable opportunity he's been handed, he won't screw this up. He will make sure that we see something we haven't been seeing this coming season. If we don't win, I expect it will be exciting.

See how pessimistic and impatient I am?

9:51 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I guess the point I've been trying to make, low these several weeks, is just because you feel you've "done all the right things," that doesn't guarantee success. Ultimately, the right things are what work, even though they might be unorthodox.

I wouldn't have done anything different than what has been done so far. But the ultimate success will be born in how well unique individuals face the unique circumstances that will arise.

I find entertainment in that aspect alone. I was entertained by watching Al attempt to fix this, and I'll be entertained with the transition after Al's passing. It's all part of the drama of rooting for a unique franchise. And that's where I find my patience - both during and after Al.

10:29 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"It's for the same reason you are unhappy right now"

Check yourself and tell me where that has been posted???

I posted it's contingent on what takes place now/tomorrow so NO celebrations until that dense fog lifts and I get a view of what things actually are rather than what you think they look like....

For the record I'm NOT willing to sit back and just wait 3-4 years for a winning team to take that field...Every damn year I'm the fan pimping "PO"s with at least a 10-n-6 record...Anything less is totally unacceptable and always has been!!!

Like Gary posted we were close the last 2 season so I fully expect to be there this season "IF" "Dennis The Menace" lives up to his name and retains enough of the "O" to maintain that top 10 ranking???

Now that's a very big "IF"???

It would be really stupid to waste this roster on a 3 year plan sense in 3-4 seasons from now several if not most of our top quality specialist will be retiring or damn close to it and how are they going to be replaced for that "SB" roster???...

Now: 2012 so add 3 more seasons to everyone of these 20 potential starters and just what do you think our team will look like???

Bush-5th season

RE: Your Questions..

Do you think Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie are screwing anything up so far? If so, what?

Way way too damn early to tell...Now as you recall I was the 1st here to pimp Reggie as our "GM" and I'm damn glad to have him but at this point I'm also not the least amount impressed with his 1st ever hire of this rookie "HC" with only one year under his belt as a "DC" while working under a "D" coach like Fox...Just how much of what transpired was Fox and how much was the rookie???...Do we even know???

And I have yet to see one solitary move by that new rookie "HC" so how the hell can I or anyone for that matter possibly form a factually based opinion??...On What???..I'm just not into all your "Premature Ejaculations"!!!

Do you think that the Raiders are on the right track since the end of the season to today? If not, why?

That's in 3 parts..

A) I liked the very speedy process of getting Reggie on board...I liked what Marc did to take his weaknesses out of the loop and give that authority to his trusted "GM"....No complaints about any of that and it's exactly what I was pimping all along...

B) I'm not impressed at this point with who Reggie thinks was the very best prospect out there that he could bring in...I'm not impressed with the search sense the top tier prospects seem to have been left off the table...Bill Cowher would most certainly have impress me...

C) I have NO idea who this new rookie "HC" even is and neither do any of you!!!..I have no idea at this point if he even has a staff or what quality of staff he will end up with and neither do any of you!!!

So "RT" why don't you hold onto your premature questions and ask them Again after we actually know something...Actually have some hard evidence to base an opinion upon...I'm just not impressed at this point in any of the lower tier names that are being pimped as his staff...Are you??/...Seriously???

At this point it's all just blind speculations on the unknowns and hearsay!!!!!


11:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...



I spent allot of my time digging into everything I could to find out who the hell we just hired...That info is rather limited and mostly just opinions because he currently has NO record of accomplishments while working under someone else...

So while I may be a little intrigued and entertained like you I'm also questioning just where the hell this team is going???

There's NO clear picture of anything at this point...Just Philosophy and Opinion which account for about as much as "Mediot" support on that ScoreBoard!!!

I will hopefully be more intrigued and entertained after the presser when we hopefully get a few names to throw around...

But if our top 10 rated "O" is NOT maintained by retaining some of the staff that got them there than I'm on the down side of optimism going in and with damn good reason....

Expecting a rookie "HC" to come in with an entirely new staff on both side of the ball and put a winning program on that field in the short term is ludicrous to even believe in happening!!!

PantyRaider....Just The Simple Realities Baby!!!/_

12:06 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Here are some D-Coordinators the media is reporting to be candidates:
Denver's LB Coach - Richard Smith
Saints DL Coach - Bill Johnson
SF Secondary Coach - Ed Donatell
Al Miller (Strength Coach, not sure where)
Donatell was a coordinator for the Packers in 2000-2003 (Ranked 17th in 2003 for YPG, 12th in '02 and '01, and 15th in 2000).
Richard Smith was a coordinator for the Dolphins in 2005 (Ranked #18 for YPG), and in Houston 2006-2008 (Ranked 22nd in 2008 for YPG, 24th in '07 and '06).

I'm more excited about Donatell at this point, for DC. So we will see today what Allen plans on doing philosophy wise.

Does anyone know if he is related to Bruce Allen and the Allen family?

7:15 AM  
Blogger H said...


Thanks for the list. Not sure who I like there. Makes me wonder, though, where do they come up with these list.

As to the relationship, probably not. I believe it would have surfaced before now. But, that may be one of the questions in the press conference today. Allen has a decent pedigree. His dad played several years as an LB in the league and he’s served under some very successful coaches.

We’ll know more in a bit over four hours.


8:00 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


That list does leave a man rather "MT" No??

There was allot of pluses brought out about "Saints DL Coach - Bill Johnson" in what "Mr.Duva32" posted above...If you didn't see it yet it's prolley worth reading over...

I'm really hoping for one of 2 things here:

#1...He has someone else of quality in mind and has kept it to himself...Maybe they are still employed for one of the "SB" teams???

#2...He will call his own "D" so just needs the "DC" as a prep guy getting ready for the season and week to week scheme planning for varied opponents...In which case I prolley would bet on Bill Johnson who is his life long trusted friend...

But the real key for me is that he keeps that top 10 rated "O" together while we works on the disgusting "D" that we fielded this season...That to me is the real issue because if he has to restructure the entire coaching staff we likely are NOT even competitive early on which translates to playing from behind late in the season...

PantyRaider...Can Just About Kiss Any "PO" Hope Goodby In That Regards!!!/_

8:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Bowles to join Eagles as DBs coach; Castillo staying on as DC

Bowles turned down an offer from the Oakland Raiders to join the Eagles. He is a native of the Philadelphia area.

Well so much for all that "White Noise" that if we have a "GM" quality coaches will want to come here...Being a "DB" coach in Philly was better than a "DC" in OakTown???...Really??


8:52 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

It appears we may have a full organization of first timers. First time owner, first time GM, first time HC, first time - etc.

How very Al Davis of the organization.

There is no way of really knowing what a first timer will do. With Al, you always knew that the HC couldn't do anything not approved by Al. Good or bad, you had a pretty good idea of what might be on the table. This is uncharted territory for Raider Nation. May we discover the New World.

I'm looking forward to the press conference.

8:53 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, my understanding was that Bowles took himself out of the running for the Raiders HC position (it wasn't offered to him) to pursue an HC position somewhere else. He didn't get THAT position. McKenzie was pissed that Bowles backed away, so he didn't reinstate his interest.

So DB coach in Philly was what was left to Bowles.

8:58 AM  
Blogger H said...

“But the real key for me is that he keeps that top 10 rated "O" together while we works on the disgusting "D" that we fielded this season...That to me is the real issue because if he has to restructure the entire coaching staff we likely are NOT even competitive early on which translates to playing from behind late in the season...”

I’m trying to figure out why you feel that’s a given? This offseason we will have all the OTA’s, mini-camp and camp. Not to mention all the voluntary work these guys seem to be willing to put in.

Atlanta came in with a whole new coaching staff, rookie QB in '08 and went 11-5 with the number 6 offense in the league. Their worse record since was 9-7.

I’m assuming we can do the same thing.


9:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"May we discover the New World"

That's rather funny!!...They discovered there was someone already there and set out to take it away from them...LoL!!!

Well no one will be able to say this transition won't be interesting...I just hope that all the negative vibes out there don't come together at once and destroy by flames that "New World" before any new crops can grow...

Things like:

A)...Marc will cut his losses...

B)...Marc will sell the team..

C)...The team will be moved to LA...

Ya know that whole "Blow The Team Up" scenario!!!

PantyRaider...3 Hrs -n- Counting!!!/_


9:06 AM  
Blogger H said...

Who the hell said Bowles turned us down. I've not heard it was ever offered.

All I've heard along those lines is McCoy, Denver OC, turned down an interview because he wanted to pursue the Miami job that went to someone else.


9:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico, the Baltimore Ravens are called an "Expansion Franchise" by the NFL. The Ravens came to Baltimore with established player personnel (as the Cleveland Browns) and a team history (which they had to disclaim in the deal with the NFL).

If you have a problem with the definition of "Expansion Franchise," I think you need to argue with the NFL, not with me.

9:13 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

That's right, H. It was McCoy I was thinking of. Bowles was only inteviewed once, and I don't think an offer was ever fouthcoming. Bowles was one of the very first interviews by McKenzie.

9:16 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The interview with Bowles occurred while the coach everyone assumed McKenzie was going after (Moss) was still tied up in GB.

It turned out that McKenzie wasn't all that excited about Moss, and Allen was the one he wanted all along.

9:19 AM  
Blogger H said...

Geez, the guy hasn't even had his introductory press conference and we're automatically going to have a losing season if certain things don't stay in place and they're going to blow up the team.

Talk about a circular firing squad!

Can't we at least hear from the man first?


9:19 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"Atlanta came in with a whole new coaching staff, rookie QB in '08 and went 11-5 with the number 6 offense in the league."

Who was that new "HC" -n- new "OC"???

Mike Smith "HC" 9 yrs 64/43 record...Had 4 seasons as "DC" prior to being named "HC" in Atlanta..

Mike Mularkey "OC" 10 yrs 32/14 record..2 seasons as "HC" -n- 4 as "OC" prior to being named "OC" in Atlanta...

Brian VanGorder "DC"..9 seasons as "DC" at college level...

Matt Ryan 3rd pick "08" Draft..Rate 87...

Michael Turner RB 376/1699 17 TDs

Do you really think there's much hope of us duplicating what happened in Atlanta with our current prospects???

I don't post that it's not possible but that in all likelihood
probability there's NOT much hope of competing early on with such a total transition...

The "O" is scrubbed and everyone has to learn a totally new terminology along with the plays and game plans and get down their timing and this and that and that...NOT an easy chore!!!

We have a smart veteran "QB" but look how long it took him to get familiar with a system that he had played in before under Hue at USC and Cincy...Than look at how long it took "JC" to learn that "O" when he had the full off season to accomplish it...

So now you take away everything that was working including that "OL" coaching that turned that unit around last season and start over from scratch and expect to win in the short term???....NOT likely!!!...NOT with a rookie "HC" with only one year as "DC" under another "D" background "HC"...Fox...This kid has NEVER had to do any of this before and now with everything thrown in his lap can we really expect immediate success???

The probability curve has got to be very very low!!!

PantyRaider...Why Would You When It's Easy To Win Now!!!/_

9:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Here is the entire post:

Bowles to join Eagles as DBs coach; Castillo staying on as DC

By Jason La Canfora NFL Network
NFL Network Insider
Published: Jan. 30, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
Updated: Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.

Former Miami Dolphins interim coach Todd Bowles will take a job with the Philadelphia Eagles as a defensive backs coach, a league source said.

Bowles was pursued for multiple openings after leading the Dolphins to a 2-1 record over the final three games of the season. He was a finalist for the Dolphins' head-coaching job, but the team elected to hire former Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin.

Bowles, a native of the Philadelphia area, turned down an offer from the Oakland Raiders to join the Eagles.

The Eagles will also keep defensive coordinator Juan Castillo in his current position.

Castillo was cryptic about his role with the Eagles when speaking at Senior Bowl practice last Monday. When asked last if he was still the team's defensive coordinator, he said, "You got to go through (Eagles coach) Andy (Reid)."

9:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


My post to "BR" about the "New World" was in humor and NOT to be taken seriously!!!

I just pointed out all that could go wrong according to all the "Dooms Day Prophets" out there...It's NOT my take!!!

Get a grip on a sense of humor while we wait for that dense fog to lift!!!

9:49 AM  
Blogger H said...

Two things:

1) All those things are window dressing since we don't even know who he's hiring yet.

The Falcons had had all kinds of HC's, OC's DC's over the decades and until 2009 had never had two consecutive winning seasons.

So, I guess you are saying if we had an experienced HC, then no problem. Yet, we have defended the selection of young, reasonably inexperiended coaches for decades.

Bugle was a failure, White was a failure, Madden was a success and Gruden was a success.

Harbaugh came from college, he is the exception. The track record for HC's coming from college is not good.

Personally I'm ready to move on and see what the guy's going to do before I declare next season lost.

2) That is the only report of him turning the Raiders down. If it had been offered, "Unnamed Sources" would have been all over it. That guy is everywhere.

And, when did you start taking stuff in the media as factual. I didn't when Al was alive, and still don't. I'll wait until I get comfirmation from McKenzie.


10:04 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The article says that the Raiders made an offer, but not what for. It could be he was offered the same position in Oakland that he took in Philly. Don't forget, Allen will likely replace everyone with the only possible exception being Saunders.

10:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What to look for at today's HC press conference

It will interesting to see if Davis is present again at the table. Al was always there to introduce the new coaches but with McKenzie in the fold it may be his role now to handle these types of events from now on. Mark may not be as comfortable in these situations but he carried himself very well when introducing Reggie.
Allen will be in the big chair for the first time in his career and being the youngest HC in the league, we will see how he carries himself in front of the media. I found Cable and Jackson were a little stiff and out of their comfort zone when they attended their first presser as HC of the Raiders and then learned how to deal with the media as time went on.
Will Allen disclose what his plans are for the OC and DC positions on the Raiders and will he retain anyone from the old regime? Many would like to see Saunders stay for continuity of the offense and allow Allen to concentrate on the defensive side of the ball which requires the most attention
Can Allen give us a sense that he can fix the penalty problems we have had over the past few years culminating to the disaster we suffered this season? All Jackson would ever say is "Believe me when I tell you we are working on it". Those types of responses only work for so long until they lose their meaning.
What kind of defense is Allen looking to install? He ran a 4-3 in Denver but has experience in 3-4 schemes as an assistant. Although we don't have the pieces for a 3-4, I hope we see some hybrid looks.
How does Allen feel about Palmer and whether or not he's the guy to take us to the next level?
How can help fix one of the worst run defenses going on 5 years or so now?
Is he going to call plays on defense or is he going to allow his DC to make those calls and concentrate on game planning and game management?
Hopefully he and Reggie can enlighten us on what their vision is for the Raiders starting in 2012 and how we are going to get there.

10:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Gruden was a failure in his 1st season and only posted "V"s because of Willie Shaw's "D"....

Reggie won't tell us if they were turned down by that "Fish"!!!

I post the "News" reports as presented NOT as a factual report...It also doesn't say what job he turned down either???...Was it also a "DB" job??...Not likely but possible I suppose...

We don't have much to go on at this point except speculations/opinions and pimping...None of which amount to a damn including all that tripe about what a great young prospect this kid is which is why trying to project anything at this point is purely ludicrous!!!

So I'm posting "Probabilities" depending on his moves and what I'm wanting the kid to do for the sake of continuity on that top 10 rated "O" and potential for "V"s and a winning season 2012....

A top 10 rated "O" would be a terrible thing to waste!!!

10:23 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


One other point I believe that was made by "BR"...

All those young rookie coaches had the benefit of Al Davis to hold them in check...That's no longer there and Reggie has proclaimed that he will play a "Hands Off" role...

Yikes!!!...Now that's uncharted waters!!!

But YES!!...If Bill Cower had been named as "HC" you can better believe I would be singing a vastly different tune and with damn good reason...

History/Achievements/Records/Dominance/Discipline/Demeanor and a long list of other reasons to get really really excited about the 2012 season...

But alas that was just a "Wet Dream"!!!

10:55 AM  
Blogger H said...

"Gruden was a failure in his 1st season and only posted "V"s because of Willie Shaw's "D"...."

Gruden was 8-8, neither success nor failure, but an improvement from the previous seasos of 4-12.

By extension of him being the head coach, that is Gruden's record, not Shaw's. Wins and Losses go on the HC's record not the DC's.


11:06 AM  
Blogger H said...

"All those young rookie coaches had the benefit of Al Davis to hold them in check...That's no longer there and Reggie has proclaimed that he will play a "Hands Off" role...

Yikes!!!...Now that's uncharted waters!!!"

Well, I hope Allen can blow his own nose. Because that's just what I expect from him.

Some people are ready to be an HC sooner than others. Let's find out if McKenzie is right.


11:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RAIDERS: Raiders to introduce Head Coach Dennis Allen at noon PT today - watch press conference live at

Lets all hope we don't end up with another one of these...LoL!!!

11:46 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"By extension of him being the head coach, that is Gruden's record, not Shaw's."

Well if you look back Gruden's "O" SUCKED while Willie Shaw posted a top 5 "D"...Now in my book that "DC" gets allot of the credit for keeping the games close so an inept "O" could pull it out...

Now isn't that the very same scenario that's being pimped for "Dennis The Menace"???...His "D" held those games close so that their inept "O" could pull it out!!!

I'll say this if he's anything like Willie Shaw was I'll be happy...That man was NO nonsense from the word go and he had his squad motivated to play every damn down...

11:54 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Live Streem

12:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

retain Al Saunders!!!!!!!

12:17 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Allen: "We have the players, we just need to do it with more consistency and discipline."

For sure.

12:20 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

What are you going to do remedy penalty problem:

"We have to change those habits. It starts with how you operate in practice...Discipline is going to be a fundamental factor in what we do every day...If we're consistent with it as a coaching staff, the players will fall right into line."

12:21 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

McKenzie: Allen on my target list from the start.

Allen: Radical changes are not what need to be made...I feel like we've got enough players on offense and defense that we can win a championship with.

12:24 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Allen on the OC: Process of formulating staff, not going to go into who it is...

Wouldn't confirm that Saunders will be back. "We're exploring all of our avenues."

12:25 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Allen: Will be really involved in all phases, but head coach can't really be effective if calling plays on offense or defense, he's going to be a game manager on game day.

Love that!

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...


12:30 PM  
Blogger H said...

"Well if you look back Gruden's "O" SUCKED while Willie Shaw posted a top 5 "D"...Now in my book that "DC" gets allot of the credit for keeping the games close so an inept "O" could pull it out..."

Bill Bilick was some offensive genius, but he is credited with being a Super Bown winning coach with a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense with Baltimore.

Marvin Lewis is not listed as a Super Bowl winning coach. It was his defense that did it.

It don't matter if you do it with smoke and mirrors or whatever. Win, Lose or Draw, it's the HC that gets the credit.

There are no bust of assistant coaches in the HOF. Even though you can't get there without them.

If the Raiders win or lose under Allen, he will get the credit. Period, End of Story.


12:31 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If I'm being honest with myself, the dude looks a little bit like Shanarat!

12:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Notes From Posters:

On Offense we're gonna be up-tempo, aggressive, fast, we'll run the football and we’ll be explosive on the passing game

"I don't think radical changes need to be made (on Defense)"

“I feel like that’s a talented defense, we’ve got enough players on D and O to win Championships”

He's not talking about the staff, he says that's a work in progress

Looks like he’s gonna search for his guy on Offense, he says he’ll exploring opportunities, wouldn’t commit to Al Saunders

Saunders: he mentioned he's under contract and he'll evaluate the situation

Glad to hear he won't call plays

He looks commited to Carson Palmer though

He says he spoke to him and he’s excited about this new direction (Carson is)

"It's not gonna be an easy task, but we'll roll up our sleeves and go to work"

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to be a downer here, but I was back in the Bay Area this weekend and I heard an interview on KNBR (can't remember who with) and the person was adamant that all of the dysfunction and paranoia is still present. He believed most of this would have disappeared with the passing of Al but it is not.

He said the team is still practicing intimidation (on the business end) by doing thing like not paying people in full and basically doing things the way they were done when Al ruled.

I know it is early, but I believe Amy Trask needs to go. My sister is in accounting and she has said for several years that Trask creates an environment of fear.

Here's is hoping McKenzie can change the culture of the Raiders to that of a normal business.

12:34 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

ALLEN: We're going to do a lot of different things on defense, aggressive, attacking.

12:34 PM  
Blogger H said...


"'We have to change those habits. It starts with how you operate in practice...Discipline is going to be a fundamental factor in what we do every day...If we're consistent with it as a coaching staff, the players will fall right into line.'"

Well, I hope this time it actually works. I've heard almost that exact line from EVERY head coach in recent memory.


12:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

More Notes:

"If you want people to believe in what you're selling, you've got to believe it yourself"

“We’re looking for smart, tough, committed football players, and we’ll not settle for anything else”

"We're gonna be multiple in how we line up (on Defense)"

It looks like we’ll have a hybrid D

"4-3 3-4

who cares were going to have different looks and be aggressive." When he said that a tear came to my eye

I like this guy a lot

gonna be nice i can feel it

"We're gonna bring the best 80-man roster to compete" -Reggie

12:40 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

More Notes:

"I think the fact that i've been in this division is an advantage to me"

“At the end of the day we need to defeat the chiefs, broncos, this is a very very competitive division, i know what im up against” – Dennis

"I dont know how things we're run (before), but you've got to hold them (players) accountable for their actions"

"We want to play the best players, those who make the best plays and prevent plays"

“If not we’ll make to look changes, we’ll evaluate every single player on this team and get them to play their best”

12:42 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

McKenzie: Unified from the top down. Right hand will know what the left hand is doing.

12:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

More Notes:

Lol talking about McClain

“we need to make him play better, he is a very talented player and he can make an impact on this defense”

Looks like Rolando is on a short leash

He wants a lot of different formations, shifts on Offense

Advantage Al Saunders

Reggie – “I can’t wait till we see how our players play in Coach Allen’s Scheme.”

wow thats refreshing to hear

12:50 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

So that fog won't lift so we won't know who we have or don't have as a coaching staff until "Dennis The Menace" is damn good and ready to tell us...

Guess I have to live with that for the moment???

So can't make any projections based upon anything except personal perceptions of what the man said...

He has the talk so now we wait to see if he can walk the walk???

12:53 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Optimism is an ATTITUDE, NOT a Statistic. op·ti·mism (pt-mzm)
1. A tendency to expect the best possible outcome or dwell on the most hopeful aspects of a situation

Check this out from FB, great quote from our new lwader, on optimism. RAIDER NATION - The Autumn Wind
‎"I think a head coach's job, and a coach in general, is to lead, motivate and inspire. That's what our job is to do. We've got to lead these men so they want to follow us. We've got to motivate them to play better than ever before. We've got to inspire them to heights of greatness. Those are the things that we want to try to do with this football team." ~Raiders coach Dennis Allen

12:54 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said... the way, colors aside, this is EXACTLY what Tim Tebow did in Denver.. in inspired those less talented clowns to do a little better than us least year. If you do not subscribe to this truth, you are, without question, in the twilight zone.

12:57 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

More Notes:

Things we know:

-Every player will be evaluated.
-He wants and aggressive, smart, tough football team.
-Coaching staff is still a work in progress.
-He wouldn’t commit to Al Saunders, and yeah it may be likely that he wants “his guy” running the O.
-He wants to preach discipline and consistency and won’t tolerate stupid penalties.
-Rolando McClain is on a short leash (confirmed by Reggie)
-He seems commited to Carson Palmer.
-On offense he wants to be explosive (like the Saints).
-On defense he wants to get after the QB and create turnovers (like the 09 Saints).
and we’ll have a hybrid defense (3-4 and 4-3).

12:59 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I was late to the party, but liked what I heard.

We have a GM in the mold of Ron Wolf and a HC somewhat in the mold of Sean Payton.

McKenzie: "this is gonna be a team effort...."

The communication and the energy these guys bring to the Raiders is tremendous, and cause for real optimism!

1:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I don't care who gets the credit for anything form anyone else!!!

The subject was about the "O" and how difficult it is to win early when everything is changes and that was demonstrated by how inept that "O" was in Gruden's 1st season...It sucked...But the season before it was good with Jeff George while that "D" sucked!!!...

So I'm going to give credit to Willie Shaw for the improvements of the "D" and to Gruden for the total collapses of his "O"!!!

Than you can give credit to whatever you want but your not going to restrict me from giving credit where I see fit!!!

1:12 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...and hey... since some may not wanna see mention of an enemy... well... a REAL Warrior... go back to Sun Tzu... knows his enemy... and HOW he gets it done. So get used to it because its what thiz org needed more than talent, money, and even discipline... someone and something Worth Following. I called it from Day One... most of you saw this as obvious... but for those who chose to throw crude insults at my surprisingly painful truthpasting that was more than mere statpasting and bickering, well, Optimistic ball is now a day of reckoning, I can only hope it bears fruit, lest it be all talk to sell tickets. Thus, I remain, Optimistic with both the vocal and silent MAJORITY that IS..... THE RAIDER NATION!

1:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Optimistic about what??...

That we get a decent coaching staff??...

That we can maintain that top 10 rated "O" (#9)???

That "Dennis The Menace" has more than just talk and will make this team walk the walk???

Or that your predicting a championship in OakTown come 2013??? (Which by the way is when the 2012 regular season ends -n- championships are awarded for those who don't get it yet)

For my part I like and pimped Reggie...

I like the talk that "Dennis The Menace" throws out at us...

I like Palmer and our basic roster epically on the "O"...

I like Al Saunders and still hope he sticks...

I would like to have a view of our freakin coaching staff!!!

But alas just as I noted before this day:

We don't even know if we have a coaching staff yet...And those words unfortunately continue to ring true!!!

So now is a time for speculations and opinions but most certainly NOT a time for projections sense there's absolutely NOTHING to base such projections on!!!

PantyRaider...Remaining In The Dark Awhile Longer!!!/_

1:39 PM  
Blogger H said...


Here's your quote:

"Gruden was a failure in his 1st season and only posted "V"s because of Willie Shaw's "D"...."

You said "Gruden was a failure".

That is what I was addressing. He wasn't just the Head Coach Only in Charge of Offense. HIS record was 8-8.

No matter how you shape it, that is the bottom line.

Allen will be judged on the overall performance of the team. He is now officially in charge of offense, defense and special teams.

No more cherry picking.

In the area of "No more stupid penalties." Someone please define a smart penalty. Other than intentional interference to prevent a touchdown.

He’s parroted all the right clichés. Next is assembling the staff. After that it’s results.

I’m very optimistic.


1:54 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

From Corkran:

Allen said he is in the process of putting
together his staff. Offensive coordinator Al Saunders is under consideration, he said, as are the remaining coaches from Jackson’s staff.

McKenzie and Allen have spoken with quarterback Carson Palmer, with McKenzie meeting with Palmer face to face.

Both said they are excited about the prospect of Palmer being the starting quarterback next season.

“He’s excited, and we’re excited for him,” McKenzie said.

McKenzie said every player will be evaluated in the coming days, including the 20 players eligible to become free agents. That list includes Campbell.

Allen said he will be involved in every aspect of the team. However, he intends to let his coordinators handle the play-calling duties.

1:55 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

What resonated with me...

When Allen was asked when it was that he decided he wanted to become a head coach, he said he really didn't know.

Essentially he said that when he played football in high school, he wanted to become a high school football coach. When he was playing in college, he wanted to be a college football coach. When he turned pro, he wanted to be a pro football coach.

Most here know I used to be an actor. But teaching was one of my dreams. When I was acting in high school, I wanted to become a high school drama teacher. Eventually when I moved to LA and went professional, I wound up directing and teaching professional actors on the stage. AND I was damn good at it.

We have a self aware owner. We have a self aware GM. And now we have a self aware HC. Self awareness is crucial to success. It's the only way you can identify your limitations.

1:55 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...yup Panty... I have optimism without prediction. You are spot on. I think Mr. T said it best... remember Rocky III press conference? They asked Clubber Lang his prediction for the fight... "Prediction? PAIN."... I believe that there will be much pain before there is any gain, but it sure beats all of the pain we've seen with very littl gain... Cheers mate.

1:59 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

McKenzie said that at the end of the day, he will only be judged by what comes under the W/L columns.

Both McKenzie and Allen said that while the roster may need to be tweaked, as it must at the beginning of every new season, we have the players in place to win RIGHT NOW.

So like it or not, patience or not, we should have, at a minimum, a winning record at the end of 2012.

I think we should hold them accountable.

At the beckoning of both McKenzie and Allen, I am now EXPECTING a 9-7 season or better in 2012.

2:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Let me define "Failure"

He failed to produce a winning football team and failed to qualified for the "PO"s...That's a "Failure" in my book...He did post "V"s and I gave him credit for that while noting that the only reason he was able to was due the the play of the "D" which last I checked was run by Willie Shaw...

And lest we all forget...Was it not Gruden who said:

"You'll have to ask Davis about that" when asked about the "D"...

Gruden never took any credit for that side of the ball did he???

Cable was a "Failues" as was Hue and all the way back to Callahan's last season in "03"...They were all "Failures" in my book...

Some showed promise to the point that I wanted them to have another chance but in the evaluations they were "Failures" and I have noted that...The last 2 seasons we should have been a "PO" team and I have stated as such and that it was an inexcusable failure that we didn't achieve that...


2:06 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I told you that I would grow more optimistic if he came out and said that he would be the HC that manages the game, not focuses on one side of the ball or the other; and that is exactly what he said.

I'm more optimistic in the fact that we have a football manager that is going to be a part of the game planning, and holding his Coordinators accountable during the game; which means more adjustments during the game. I can't tell you how frustrating it has been to see the Raiders do well, come out of the second half without making any adjustments, and lose the game. With a Head Coach who is focused on managing the game, this will not happen again!

I'm more and more optimistic that we will win next year. My optimism will be confirmed (Panty) when we get the Coordinators in place and ready; but I like what I've seen and heard, and I especially like what I continue to hear. JUST WIN, BABY!

2:11 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...


Amy Trask doesn't have anything to do with the football operations. She only runs the business side of things, not having to do with player or coach contracts, other than directing where the money is to be paid.

She manages the Raider business side of things which includes marketing, sales (primarily tickets and merchandise), and contracts with the city, etc. She is the front person on some of the legal issues regarding business contracts. Amy Trask is really not a concern.

In fact, I'd argue that you want one of the toughest people available to handle the business side of things.

2:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I like the fact that no one on the Raiders side is talking "Blowing up the team"!!!

This is great news to me...I like our roster!!!

If we can keep the "O" in the top 10 we will win in this league because I and most do expect to be vastly improved on the "D"...How could we not be considering how bad we were??

Using "NO" as a point of evaluation for our "O" is rather exciting to me as well...If this is the mark that we will strive to achieve than I'm rather excited looking forward...

But transitions don't come easy and their much more difficult on the "O" side than on the "D"...But I have a feeling that Saunders with his terminology and play book will stick while our "HC" brings in his own play caller....I suspect it will be the Duck's "OC" that get's that call???

If so that will be very exciting for me...

But until we know I'm sitting on my fingers in the dark and waiting for a glimpse threw that thick fog...

PantyRaider...Let Those Autumn Winds Clear The Air!!!/_

2:20 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I think one of the problems with modern football HCs is ego. That has led to an insistence by most HCs that they want to call the plays (either O or D). Some, like Gruden, only delegate to the extent that the HC will call either run or passing plays, and the coordinator runs the rest.

I prefer a game manager on game day. The HC can focus on far more that trying to decide on the next offensive or defensive play. The HC will have time to approach individual players for adjustments, as well as the uninvolved coordinator.

This will make not only half time adjustments more fruitful, it will allow for on the field adjustments.

So this is another good sign as well.

2:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Your prolley right...And cut down on the head case mistakes about when to throw the red flag or when to call a "TO" or when to go for 2 pts or when to kick that "FG"...

Some of these decisions cost us in games this season!!!

2:32 PM  
Blogger H said...


I look at it differenty.

Gruden improved on the previous year. And, he did it with the likes of Jeff George and, mostly, Donald Hollis along with a pretty strong defense.

That's success. Then in his third year we were playing in the AFC Championship game. That's also success. He did not produce a losing record as the HC.

Now, that team withered fairly quick after he left. And, I wasn't happy with him being mentioned for every open HC position in the country, but he was successful as head coach of the Raiders.

Like Dennis Allen said, he will be judged on wins and loses. It is not relevant which side of the ball gets us there. Though I always prefer a solid, agressive ass kicking defense with a stout running game.

To me there's no prettier play in football than on second and eight to see a quarterback running for his life and sacked for a ten yard loss or throw an interception.

Those things are game changers.


2:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders | Two could be candidates for DC position

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:41:24 -0800

The Oakland Raiders could consider New Orleans Saints defensive line coach Bill Johnson and San Francisco 49ers secondary coach Ed Donatell as candidates for their defensive coordinator position. Both have coached with head coach Dennis Allen in the past.

2:43 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda -

"I think we should hold them accountable."

Of course we should. Just like we held past regimes accountable, or at least some of us tried to.

That's how it works. These guys have a job to do!

2:53 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

....I sooooooo agree w. NOT blowing up the team... just the chain of command w. a few tweeks... we have LOTS of talent... so far, looks good... I watched the Gruden-Bowl highlights on NFL last night... so painful. Oh Chucky... Gannon looked like he wanted to sock him after the game, anyone see that?

3:14 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

transcript of reggie's post-presser interview is up:

4:48 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Bet is still on the table...anyone in?


5:19 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, Gruden took over from Bugel. The problem with Bugle's team was that the offense would go 3 and out 9 times out of 10. On the tenth position they'd score a TD using only one or two plays. So the defense was always on the field forever because Bugle's offense couldn't stay on the field for more than four plays. But if not run ragged, our defense wasn't too bad.

When Gruden came in, he instituted the WC style offense, which was a ball control offense. Gruden finally managed some clock consuming drives so both the offense and defense improved. The credit has to be given to the HC.

5:20 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, regarding Gruden... Gruden was a hero after his first season. Everyone was well aware that Gruden had to go through that first season with Hollis (who?) because of the injury to George. But in spite of that, Gru took us from 4-12 to 8-8.

Gruden's second season was about disappointment. While Gruden had been able to pad the roster and bring in his own QB, we were still a .500 team. I really believe that if Gruden had lost that last KC game, he'd have been fired after his second season. Many expected it. If Gruden had lost that KC game, he would have had exactly the same two year record as Mike White, who was fired after his second season.

But the win against KC was so inspiring, Gruden was allowed to continue.

Eh, also, it seems to me that Gruden's initial contract was for four years. So Davis did issue four year contracts - I think Kiffin's was for four. He just didn't give them to every HC. I have no idea what his formula was for deciding the length of the contract.

I'm sure that Davis had some reasoning for it, he just never explained it. I suspect that it had to do with whether the HC was a promotion or an outside hire. If it was a promotion, Davis would contract for two years, believing that the coach had already acclimated himself to team headquarters and should produce results immediately.

On that level, I think Callahan (promoted) got two years. Turner I think was given four years, but fired after two. Shell was given two years, but fired after one (he was already very familiar with the team and the concept). Kiffin got four, and Cable and Jackson got two each.

5:40 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And if I'm right about that formula, Davis would have given Allen 4 years. But then, he probably would not have hired a defensive specialist.

5:44 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

“But the real key for me is that he keeps that top 10 rated "O" together while we works on the disgusting "D" that we fielded this season..."

I keep hearing about our top 10 rated offense. I'm not buying it. We were the #16 ranked offense in the NFL based on the most telling stat: scoring average per game.

6:50 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Top 10 offense? Yeah, maybe in a small sector of the AFC! Stats are ridiculous because they are based on comparison, which is WEAK SAUCE. The only stat that matters is FIRST and Lombardi. And, looking at what Denver did with a subprime QB, who, i believe, will be in MUCH greener pastures soon (unless he gets bIoNiC or something), am i asking too much to ASSUME that this squad has the staff to beat KC with Orton, SD with ANYBODY, and those other guys without excuses? I do, and that's putting mu optimism aside. It's not only possible, but probable, even if we kept Hue.

7:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"If you have a problem with the definition of "Expansion Franchise," I think you need to argue with the NFL, not with me." -BR

The truth is that the Ravens were a a unique, one-off situation where an established team moved from one city to another.

Call it quasi-expansion team if it makes you happy but certainly not what the common term 'expansion franchise' is commonly known as which is a team starting from scratch. The Ravens played their 1st game as Ravens in 1996 and won a SB in 2000.

7:02 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...I meant "not", but you prolly got that... I'm multitasking with my kids homework as I'm doing this, Bad Dad, Bad Dad, and I was recently asked "Daddy, if you like the Oakland Raiders, then who are the LA Raiders?" :) (Raider highlights to an 8 yr old lil sweety, it's such fun...)

7:06 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I was impressed with how Allen presented and conducted himself throughout PC. A sharp, high energy, on-point guy grounded in core football "virtues"

The connection and partnership between Allen and McKenzie was undeniable.

One thing that seemed to be crystal clear is that an extremely aggressive, physical "wrecking crew" defense is one of the hallmark beliefs of Allen shaped by his days at Texas A&M and by Wade Phillips and Greg Williams.

I'm VERY pumped up for our dogs of war on D to finally be cut loose to attack.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The part where Reggie explains that he was listening to "someone on his shoulder" when interviewing Allen. A reporter then asked him if that guy on his shoulder was Mr.Davis, these press guys are absurd.

McKENZIE: As the interview went, it just grew. It was one of those things, if I had a little guy on my right shoulder, he said, 'Yeah, that's the guy.'

It was kind of 'Yeah, that was good, he answered that like I liked it.' And 'OK, he presented that, that's right in line.' As the interview went, the more and more I connected.

Q: Does that little guy look like Al Davis?

McKENZIE: No, actually, he looked a little bit like me.

These press guys are idiots. Mr. Davis is gone, get over it, it's a new day. Let him rest FFS's.

The bet is still on the table....


9:08 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Well, it certainly doesn't sound like Allen is ready to blow the team up for draft picks (worst case scenario) and is on board with Palmer.

Now I need him to hire Saunders as OC.

I bet it happens by weeks end.

9:29 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The team isn't being blown up.

The nucleus of the team is good.

Palmer is enthusiastically on board.

The defense will be aggressive.

Plenty to like and get on board with the new era.

If Saunders is retained, great. If not, I trust Allen to find the right OC to call the plays and be in synch with his vision.

This whole notion that we are doomed if Saunders doesn't come back is ridiculous and far over-blown.

10:12 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Recycled Retread???...From The Lance Staff!!!

Are you freaking kidding me???

Sources: Knapp offered Raiders' OC job


Looking to make his first major staff hire, new Oakland Raiders head coach Dennis Allen has found his man.

Two sources told that Houston Texans quarterbacks coach Greg Knapp was offered Oakland’s offensive coordinator position. Knapp held the same position with the Raiders in 2007 and 2008. He also has previous NFL coordinator experience with San Francisco (2001 to 2003), Atlanta (2004 to 2006) and Seattle (2010). Allen and Knapp worked together as Falcons assistants in 2004 and 2005.

Knapp, 48, earned high praise this season for the work he did with Texans rookie quarterback T.J. Yates. Forced into action because of injuries to Matt Schaub and Matt Leinart, Yates helped guide the Texans to their first postseason appearance and a first-round victory over Cincinnati.

Well maybe this works well with Pryor???...Doesn't specify weather Al Saunders stay on or goes???

PantyRaider...I Give Up Trying To Figure This Process Out!!!/_

1:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

And the Broncos have denied us the right to talk to Richard Smith

Fassel left to StL

1:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The complete transcript is up:

1:51 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Just keep making those stupid "Camp" Pimptations with your Imitation Optimistic Fantasy!!!...That stupidity becomes you!!

The moment we lose your back on your "Criers Wagon" as we all know so well!!!

Don't waste negative brain cells trying to understand NFL Rankings that are beyond you...

2:03 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Scouting is one the Raiders weakest areas that they must improve.

By way of comparison, Patriots are one of the best at scouting, and they have our pre-season star CB Sterling Moore to show for it.

Media reports that the Pats currently have 18 undrafted free agents on their 53-man roster, with eight starters.

from the media: "More than one-third of the Patriots roster was undrafted. The Patriots also have eleven more players that were taken in the fifth round or later in the draft. 12 Patriots were signed “off the street” or during training camp."

Scouting/personnel has to be a top priority!

4:45 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, keeping Saunders as OC might be a mistake. Didn't Palmer complain that Jackson wasn't around to go over the game plans? I have to wonder why Saunders couldn't fill that role. We don't know if Saunders even wants the total responsibility of OC. Remember, he came to Oakland as no more than assistant to Jackson.

And while I don't love the notion of bringing back Knapp, it's possible that Knapp could do better without an O-minded HC and with the additional experience under his belt.

4:55 AM  
Blogger H said...

Gregg Knapp, huh?

Well, in Atlanta he called the plays as OC. Same in Seattle. He did not call the plays with us, except the last few games of Cable's first year.

The Atlanta teams led the league in rushing three years in a row. But, there is a caveat. Michael Vick was the QB. He was contributing 400-600 yards each season. Many of which were not "planned" runs.

Now, he does seem to have good results with quarterbacks. He helped develop Matt Schaub at Atlanta and did a good job with the QB's at Houston this season. I don't think anyone could help Russell.

Pryor is somewhat in the mold of a Vick. I would hope that Pryor is a better passer than Vick. Vick was more of a thrower earlier in his career. Not sure if he's changed much in Philly.

This week will be interesting.


5:24 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Knapp was the alledged OC under Lance Kiffin and Tom Cable, if you recall. A Lance Kiffin and Tom Cable that called their own offensive plays. Knapp was not the play caller, and was a puppet; someone who didn't have control of Coordinating the Offense to his liking. I would give him another shot.

There is a Free Agent Running Back that I think the Raiders would benefit signing if we elect not to sign Michael Bush. A RB when combined with McFadden would be the sickest combo in the NFL. Peyton Hillis. He wasn't happy with how the Browns treated him this year, and indications are he is on his way out. Pro Football Talk is reporting a "renewed interest" by the Browns to resign him due to how he ended the season, but is it enough to spark interest from Hillis returning? I doubt it. He took a lot of blame from them during the season. How's that for tweaking the current roster?

Does anyone think that Winston Moss will get a shot at Defensive Coordinator? I think he might. I think that is one reason why he didn't get a HC interview, lack of Coordinator position, even though he is the assistant coach for the Packers. I mean it sure surprised everyone that Allen was named Head Coach. A lot of reports that Reggie was going to hire guys he "knew". The same is now being said with Allen, that he is going to hire guys "he knows" or "worked with". We could talk with Moss about the Coordinator position because he is a LB coach, and we can do it without permission; which would explain why we interviewed him before the Packers' season ended. Just food for thought.

5:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Maybe it's best to just take a Napp and see how things look in 8 months when we wake up...LoL!~!!

This was NOT the high level "OC" I would have expected...That "Duck" "OC" sounded much more promising to me...But the Pryor element could make it an interesting call...Just not really sure of anything at the moment???

But trying to stay positive so:

No word as to weather Al Saunders stays on or not but if he does at least the terminology will remain the same and this will help speed up the transition period....Everyone will be on the same page that that much quicker with the main difference that Napp is the new play caller...

We certainly have the running arsenal to fit into Napp's fantasy Napp...LoL!!...Palmer lacks legs but can add a few yds when needed...

Maybe we will see some form of "Wild Pirate" formation to fulfill those predictions of an "O" that's-

"gonna be up-tempo, aggressive, fast, we'll run the football and we’ll be explosive on the passing game"

Hard to imagine with past images???

"a lot of different formations, shifts on Offense"

"to be explosive (like the Saints)"

Well...Not sure I'm getting a very good image here but I'm sure the new "Optimist Pimps" will explain it all to us as to why this is such a great hire???....LoL!!!

PantyRaider...Think That Fog Just Got Thicker!!!/_

6:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"Dennis The Menace" was denied permission to interview his buddy in that "MuleValley"...Richard Smith who was also coaching "LB"s I believe...

The other name on his speculated list is New Orleans Saints defensive line coach Bill Johnson...

But I would be happy with Moss and think he would add something positive to the staff...

Another name that has been thrown around is San Francisco 49ers secondary coach Ed Donatell who I know nothing about other than they worked together at some point...

Napp and Dennis also worked together in Atlanta so it appears he is playing favorites with his buddies???

Good or bad I really have no idea at this point and to tell you the truth I'm somewhat dismayed by it all...NOT the "Top Tier Coaching Staff" that I had pictured after all that "White Noise" that having a "GM" would bring us!!!

PantyRaider...Just Sittin In The Dark baby!!!/_

6:15 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Cornwell takes issue with NFLPA leader Smith in 11-page letter...Just When We Thought That "CBA" Crap Was Over???

INDIANAPOLIS — David Cornwell has sent an 11-page letter to all fellow agents, detailing flaws in DeMaurice Smith’s candidacy for NFL Players Association executive leadership.

Smith’s contract is up in March, and Cornwell, a longtime attorney and agent who opposed Smith for the NFLPA executive director job after Gene Upshaw’s 2008 death, has sent a memo around the league making a case against renewing Smith’s contract.

“Despite my greatest hopes, my personal experience reveals that (Smith’s) vision in 2008 was little more than an inside Washington political campaign — high on style, low on substance,” Cornwell wrote in the memo, a copy of which was obtained. “(His) grandiose pronouncements did not translate into meaningful progress in the business of playing football. Rather than advancing the partnership between players and team owners, the new 10 year CBA relegated NFL players’ status to mere employees.”

LoL!!!…Now just do the same about Goodhal and I’m a happy matha!!!

6:35 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Yikes!!!..."RT" can you put a positive spin on this???

Regardles…here are Knapp’s declining stats as an OC:

2001 SF Pts – 3rd
2002 SF Pts – 13th
2003 SF Pts – 9th
2004 ATL Pts – 16th
2005 ATL Pts -15th
2006 ATL Pts – 26th
2007 OAK Pts – 23rd
2008 OAK Pts – 29th
2009 SEA Pts – 25th


It just doesn't make sense with what Allen said at the press conference

Knapp is the exact opposite of aggressive, up-tempo, and fast. He is slow, prodding, and predictable. He will make us the easiest team to game plan for defensively around the league. We will have to win on talent alone without any help from good and creative play calling.

I'm "Optimistic" than someone can make me feel real good about this "Low Budget Coaching Staff"!!!

Now don't try to tell me that these guys are "Top Tier" and worth the big $$$$$$'s!!!

7:02 AM  
Blogger H said...


You got to look a little deeper than one stat line. In Atlanta they led the league in rushing attempts and yardage every year. Vick wasn't the most polished passer in the league with about 55% completion rate.

Those two things are not conducive to a lot of points.

With us, he didn't call the plays AND he had Russell for a QB. And, let's face it, Seattle plain sucked.

I'm not touting the guy, I'm just saying you got to look at the whole picture. With HC's it's ultimately wins and loses. With coordinators, It's what you want to accomplish on that side of the ball. In the end, you hope the HC makes the right choice.


I took a gander at Hillis' stats. One major difficulty. He fumbled and lost more fumbles in 2010 than Bush has his entire career with the Raiders. And, Bush has about 120 more carries over the same period.

It's a significant difference also.

Me, I'm just a Michael Bush fan. I believe it's very underrated what we could do with him as the lead back.

The guy had 977 yards rushing and 418 yards receiving and didn't take over until the sixth game.

I also think his body type holds up better to the 16 game pounding a lead back takes.

While it's true McFadden is capable of taking it all the way any time he touches the ball, what does that equate to? Three to five times a season over sixteen games. So, there's the rub, sixteen games.

Bush runs it tough between the tackles, but is fairly explosive in the passing game. When he gets in space and runs over the DB's.

Also, it was posted here that he only rushed for 3.8 yards per carry. Over the weekend I was reading some things on our last SB win. That season our leading rusher was Marcus Allen. He ran for a little over a thousand yards. Allen's average -- 3.8 yards per carry.

I just like the guy.


7:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

"I would hope that Pryor is a better passer than Vick."

Not from what I've seen. I have yet to see a clip where he throws a spiral. I hope I'm wrong but I think drafting even with a 3rd rd pick was a reach.

Nate75 - Hillis was injured most of last year. Not sure how that effects him moving forward, but he also is an established player that would come at a price.

There are plenty of RBs out there. With either McFadden or Bush on the roster, the best RB options for the Raiders will be players we've never heard of.

7:50 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Knapp?? Al Davis lives.

Cmon IAAFers... this has Al written all over it. Bringing in some guy that has failed/fired at every place he has been... why??

Out of desperation?

Well, back to square one... just as well start trading players for draft picks...

Let bring back SOB next...

Hell keep Breshnahan! He's failed everywhere he's been too!

8:48 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

looks like greg knapp is our OC...

8:53 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

H said...

Gregg Knapp, huh?

Well, in Atlanta he called the plays as OC. Same in Seattle. He did not call the plays with us, except the last few games of Cable's first year.

Uhh, he called the plays for us until he was FIRED from that duty because a kid playing Madden could do better.

There is no positive way to spin this.

The guys been a LOSER his entire career.

Ya think Palmer is scratching his head right now?? He's prolly looking at his portfolio seeing if he can retire again right now...

8:55 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

So we fired Hue for Gregg Knapp basically.

What.. the Bed and Breakfast dude wasn't available??

Yea... lets spin this one!

This is a joke.

Sorry kids... back to square one!

Patience... you're going to need it!

8:58 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New take is up, let's continue there.

9:11 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I'm sure there's a little more left hidden in Knapp's tank somewhere...But where I have NO freakin clue....LoL!!!

Ha! ha! Ha!...

I'm dieing laughin at this pointy...NOT because I'm so freakin happy for my Raiders....I'm NOT!!!....But because this "New Era In Raider History" SUCKS!!!!

And I was promised that with a shiny new "GM" that all the top tier Coaches would want to come here....LIES!!!!!...Fuckin LIES!!!

OK!!...Got that off my chest...

CRAP!!!!...That's all the hell I can See Is CRAP!!!!

As you all know I was NOT impressed with the selection of "Dennis The Menace" as our shinny new "HC" and questioned how he will do what he has never had to do before....Hire!!!...

Well this most certainly doesn't raise my expectations for this kid one damn bit!!...If anything it makes me question how he will do when it comes to coaching for the 1st time without being under someone else's directives???

He has NEVER even worked on his own!@!!!~!!~/_

OK!!!....Kum-Ba-Ya!!...It will all work out....


9:25 AM  
Blogger H said...


“Uhh, he called the plays for us until he was FIRED from that duty because a kid playing Madden could do better.

There is no positive way to spin this.”

If you are trying to say I’m spinning anything, you couldn’t be more wrong.

I was simply stating facts.

But, I will make this correction. After Kiffin was shown the door, Knapp called the plays for a while, then Cable took over. The reason, according to the media, Al Davis preferred an HC that called the offensive plays. If true, it is definitely one place I would disagree with Davis.

As for him being FIRED—not true. His contract was up and Jim Mora, Jr. wanted him as his OC in Seattle. Whether his contract would have been renewed is another debate all together. But, he left to go to Seattle. It was rumored as soon as Mora got the gig in Seattle.


From his highlights there were a few wobblies in there. I think that’s correctable. But, his overall mechanics and footwork are ahead of Tebow’s.

Vick’s problem as a passer was everything was the same speed. Screen pass or fifty yard bomb. Didn’t matter, all fastballs. Not much in the way of touch on any short stuff.


9:38 AM  

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