Wednesday, April 22, 2020

Las Vegas Raiders Draft Thread

Hello, friends. It's been a while. Too long, in fact. Since my last take, the Oakland Raiders have officially become the Las Vegas Raiders, and a global pandemic has swept the world. Time flies.

About this Las Vegas Raiders thing. It's a bitter pill to swallow for someone who grew up in the Bay Area rooting for the original Oakland Raiders, and who was elated when they returned to their rightful land in 1995. It should have been forever.

I can't begrudge the City of Oakland for not giving public funds to a billion-dollar enterprise. That said, I can't begrudge Mark Davis for accepting hundreds of millions of dollars in free money for a modern stadium. I will say, if the Raiders were going to move out of state, I cannot think of a more fitting destination than Las Vegas, with its proximity to California and its own brand of renegade spirit. But a little part of me died when they officially left Oakland this winter.

Regarding the pandemic, I think it's time to start ramping things back up where it's regionally appropriate. Yes, we need to be careful. Yes, this virus can be virulently lethal (see New York City). That said, the despair, joblessness, stress, loneliness, depression and fear of seeking medical attention for other issues is its own mounting health crisis. This isn't an either/or equation. It's a balancing act. Not every region is affected equally. Screaming "science" when the science is different every day isn't the answer, either. The response needs to be measured and thoughtful, with the knowledge that risk tolerance is nothing new, but something we live with every day.  

Anyhow, back to the draft. This promises to be a draft day for the ages, precisely because it will be so unique and watched by so many. It's truly the only game in town, and it will be interesting to see what Mayock and Gruden do, especially in the first round. Will it be one of the big three WRs? If Tua falls will they be tempted? Or, in true Vegas fashion, will they deal a wild card?

Grab your popcorn. It's going to be fun, and I look forward to your predictions and takes! I hope that you and yours are all well, thanks for sticking around these parts. 


54 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

What a Pleasure to hear from you, RT, and that you are well. Spot on, as always.

I agree the city/county should never have been responsible for the bounty the Raiders received in LV but they could have kept the Raiders for much less. IMO, they grossly dropped the ball (pun intended), to the point which even the Raiders-hating NFL supported the move.

Indeed, a balancing act is needed for the pandemic/economy. I will defer on this one because it still seems so unnecessarily politically charged. I will say, I think the country (all of us) is more ready than congress.

I see the draft exactly as you say, one for the ages. It has potential for massive TV audience. It's the Super Bowl of drafts, if for no other reason than pent up demand across the sports spectrum, from bowling to golf, to NASCAR, baseball, hockey, basketball, squirrel tossing, or whatever folks are in to.

I'm not good at predicting specific players but I see the Raiders drafting WR and CB in order of best player available with their two 1st round picks.

Little chance Simmons falls, and I don't think Raiders take a QB unless it's mid to late rounds.

Here's my priority by position:
WR
CB
LB
S
DT/DE
RB

Cheers! Stay safe!

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Take! Good to hear from ya again. Like you, I am saddened by the Raiders move, but I do think the City/County of Oakland/Alameda had the chance to keep both the Raiders and Warriors; but they let them go. Now they are reneging the promises made to the A's and may be losing the A's in the near future as well. Who, are looking at moving to Vegas, San Jose, and Portland.
I put this on the last blog, and it was my last post on the draft. I have pasted it here, but have added a few things:

Draft is tomorrow! Food for thought, I am not sold that the Bengals pick Burrow. I listened to Jim Rome yesterday, and he had Carson Palmer on. Carson talked about how the Bengals still have Dalton on the roster, and the front office really likes him. He made this suggestion, and I agree and think they pick Chase Young, and pick a QB like Jake Fromm in later rounds. I am hearing that these mock draft writers really don't have a clue to their picks. If this happens, I think the Dolphins trade with the Skins to the #2 spot with their #5 and #18 picks, and take Burrow #2; and Tua won't be selected in the first round. If this doesn't happen, I think the Dolphins get Tua with the #18 pick.
A lot of Mock Draft writers have CJ Henderson as the second CB taken by either the Falcons or the Jags, but I think it will be Trevon Diggs (Bama) and AJ Terrell will be selected before him, and CJ will fall. I also think Herbert will be picked by the Chargers. I think the only other surprise I have is the Bucs selecting D'Andre Swift (RB, Georgia) to beef up the offense around Brady, esecially now that they have Gronk.

Here are my Raiders' picks for each round. I think we have a stellar draft:
1st Round #12-Jerry Jeudy (WR, Bama). I like CeeDee Lamb a lot, but I think the Jets pick him. Jeudy though, the more I watch, the more he has great speed to spread the field. He will be the WR we all thought AB would be.

1st Round #19-I think CJ Henderson falls here. The second CB off the board will be Trevon Diggs, and then the Cowboys select AJ Terrell.
I am sticking with my picks that I selected before after this.

3rd Round #80-Bradley Anae (DE, Utah). With all the depth at OLB/DE players, the Raiders get a true 4-3 DE here, who has tremendous athleticism, strength, and power.

3rd Round #81-Noah Igbinoghene (CB, Auburn). Here is a lockdown CB who drops in the draft due to the depth of the CB position. I think this is one steal of the draft for the Raiders who will further solidify the secondary.

3rd Round #91-Akeem Davis-Gaither (OLB,Appalachian St). 6'1", 224 lbs, runs 4.68, 40. He has 101 tackles, 5 sacks, 8 pass defenses, and 1 interception in 2019.

4th Round #121-Antonio Gandy-Golden (WR, Liberty). He is 6'3", 222lbs, ran a 4.6 40, so he is a little slow, but is a terrific route runner. In this league, great routes equates to separation, and being open. With his height advantage, it will cause CB and Safeties to double team and shadow him in the red zone. He had 69 catches for 1,066 yards and 10 touchdowns last year; and his junior year had 71 receptions for 1,037 yards with 10 touchdowns. I think he is another late round gem, and will be a nice slot WR.

5th Round #159-Either Matt Hennessy (OG/C, Temple). I still like Hennessy here because he would be a solid backup at Center if Hudson were to go down. But he can also be in the Guard position, and I think he becomes valuable like Feliciano was.

4:57 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Player Trades?

Raiders have trade possibilities with PJ Hall and Gabe Jackson. Hall has way under-performed, diminishing his value, but Jackson is still a road grader. He just doesn't fit in the Raiders zone schemes.

Draft trades?

I'd be okay with the Raiders trading whatever draft capital (and the aforementioned) it takes to get Joe Burrow. Short of bringing back Bill Musgrave, Carr has pretty much shown us his ceiling under Gruden, and it's not good enough.

I'd also be okay with the Raiders trading up to get Isaiah Simmons. Raiders have already upgraded at LB with Littleton, Simmons would supercharge the position.

Short of these two blockbusters, I hope the Raiders keep their #12 pick and draft a top tier WR, CB or LB, but I might prefer they trade back with #19 so they can get back in the second round. In addition to giving Mayock more picks to do his thing, I'm being a little selfish here because it's gonna get boring if after #19 the Raiders don't pick again until #80.

4:18 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Great to year from you NY and RN75! Looking forward to more as the night unfolds.

11:45 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


What are the Vegas odds the draft goes off without a technical hitch?

Ron Rivera told PFT he will have his wife and daughter helping him with the draft, e.g., crossing drafted players off his board, etc. Others said they will have IT people outside their home for emergency repairs.

Will tonight be a case of Murphy's Law?

1:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


There goes that dream. Bengals got a QB. Look no further for highlight package than the championship game. He played his best football when it mattered most.

Next up! Isaiah Simmons. Not as ambitious for the Raiders but it would take a significant draft capital sacrifice to pull it off.

5:34 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Jets then Raiders. Pretty obvious the Raiders will get either Lamb or Jeudy. I think they have to pick the best available WR. The days of drafting DHB with the top pick are over.

6:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


This is fascinating. Raiders have their pick at WR.

CeeDee Lamb is my pick. He is the most physical of the top three WRs and can make contested catches. That has been missing in Oakland (LV) for sooo long!

6:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Ruggs III

I'm not disappointed. How can I be. 4.27 40 speed and 25% of his catches went to the house.

Now we just need someone who can get him the ball down the field.

6:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


If Jeudy or Lamb hang until 19, Raiders take two! They might anyway...

6:46 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Whoah! Curveball at #19. Needed a CB but no one saw that particular one coming.

7:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Seems like the Raiders could have traded back for both their first round picks. Maybe they tried but both were a bit of a surprise. Lamb and Jeudy were the clear top two choices at WR. I get the desire for speed but how much will (and can) Derek Carr take advantage of that? Maybe the Raiders are hoping the threat of speed is enough to get opposing defenses off the LOS. Eventually, Carr will have to connect.

I'm not familiar with Arnette. He ran a 4.56 40 at the Combine, so I guess there's no chance he can keep up with Tyreek Hill. That's the first thing I read on him, and know nothing else, except that he was 2nd round talent on some draft boards.

After last year's draft, I have to give the Raiders (and Mayock, especially) the benefit of any doubt.

We need another Maxx Crosby find.

3:53 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Hello everyone, hope all is well.

The Ruggs pick reminds me of when Al took Haywood Bay. Speed over ability. Donks got Jeudy the other 'Bama Wr, so we'll see who got the better. 'Boys got Lamb, so Mayock really put it on the line with this one.

Arnette the corner. Well the Raiders do need CB's, but the Raiders need a lot of things. Was this the best value at #19? Again, Mayock went out on a limb. Hope the limb is strong.

I'm rooting for defense, defense, defense, with remaining picks.

Stay safe all. Especially you Take, because we need/love this blog.



5:17 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


00 - I don't see Ruggs as the next DHB. Ruggs is a player. I've read that Ruggs can play anywhere, even line up in the backfield. He is way more versatile and reliable than DHB and his college career stats for taking it to the house are superhuman. He is a Tyreek Hill threat. Combine speed was 4.27 but he's been clocked below that. Expect safeties to respect that speed and keep out of the box.

I guess Jeudy is more of a slot WR, and the Raiders have Renfrow whom they trust. Lamb was who I thought the Raiders would draft. Big and physical.

Arnette is a mystery, other than playing opposite the draft's top CB at OSU. IMO, LB Kenneth Murray or even Queen would have been a better risk at #19.

8:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Top remaining needs have to include LB and DL, but might also include another WR and big RB (thunder!).

I'm going out on a limb here...

Jalen Hurts does it all. He ran for over 1000 yards, catching passes and scores lots of TDs. And he's also one of the better (second level) QB talents in this draft. What I get from watching highlights of this kid is that he wants very badly to play and win.

Raiders get a lot of player if they draft this kid. He might even play special teams.

Just a thought!

8:47 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NYR...The fact is, Jeudy was considered the best WR at 'Bama, and Raiders passed him and took the "other guy", Ruggs.

Okudah was considered the best CB at OSU, but Raiders got the "other guy", Arnette.

When Isiah Simmons was sitting there at #8, I thought Raiders should move up from #12 to get him.

I agree with you about Hurts. Really don't want to see Gruden run Jacobs into the ground again. A little help in the backfield would be nice.

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders need speed at WR, which is why they risked a lot on AB last offseason, but they could have had great route runner and speed with Lamb; so I am confused with the pick at 12 because Ruggs is a guy they could have selected at 19 though. Arnette they could have selected in the 2nd round; but then Noah Igbinoghene (CB, Auburn) was also selected in the first, and I had him listed as a 3rd rounder. This was one of the weirdest 1st Round Drafts in a long time. Nobody could have predicted this. Simmons dropping down to the Cardinals was a surprise. If the Cardinals had passed on him, I would have had hope for him dropping to 12.
But the Raiders weren't the only one's making weird moves. The Packers trading up to take Jordan Love, SF trading up to take Brandon Alyuk. Trevon Diggs not drafted in the first round. The Chargers trading back into the first round with the Patriots to select Kenneth Murray. Seahawks selection of Jordyn Brooks out of Texas Tech, a guy they could have got in the 2nd Round, maybe the third. KC selecting Clyde Edwards-Helaire (RB, LSU) who was listed as a third round pick by Walters Football. 7 offensive lineman, including a USC O-Lineman that was rated a 2 or 3rd rounder. Only 2 DE/EDGE rushers selected. Yetur Gross-Matos went unselected in the first. D'Andre Swift (RB, Georgia) was not selected in the first.

So I have to re-evaluate my picks. With the way offense is going, Raiders are going to have to make some moves on the O-line, as well as DE and OLB and one more CB.
If we can trade into the 2nd, I'd love a shot at Diggs too. So here are my thoughts for the rest of the draft:

3rd Round #80-Bradley Anae (DE, Utah). I still like this pick here. I think we would have to get into the 2nd to get Yetur Gross-Matos or Trevon Diggs. I think Mayock and Gruden are content with what they have; and clearly have a plan.

3rd Round #81-Akeem Davis-Gaither (OLB,Appalachian St). Since Noah Igbinoghene (CB, Auburn) was selected in the first by the Dolphins, Akeem Davis-Gaither moves up.

3rd Round #91- Bryce Hall (CB, Virginia) or Michael Pittman Jr (WR, USC). I still think we need another CB to play the slot. But I think this will be the last round to get a decent possession WR like Pittman Jr. One may argue that Tyrell Williams and Hunter Renfrow fit this bill, but I'm not sold that they will be consistent. I think Antonio Gandy-Golden (the WR I originally had in the 4th) will be selected before this spot.

4th Round #121-Matt Hennessy (OG/C, Temple). I had Antonio Gandy-Golden (WR, Liberty) here, but with the O-Line being selected fast, Hennessy would be a steal here, he'd be a stretch pick in the 3rd round, which the Raiders aren't afraid to stretch things a bit.

5th Round #159-KJ Hamler (WR, Penn State) or Troy Pride Jr (CB, Notre Dame). I think this pick will depend on what we do with our third pick in the 3rd round. If we get Bryce Hall, then Hamler is our pick here. If we take Pittman Jr in the 3rd, then we take Pride Jr here.

I think we were all shocked with our selections last year too, but it turned out to be the best draft class the Raiders have had in awhile (minus the Mack, Carr, and Jackson draft). I'm hoping we have another stellar draft here. Just Win, BABY!

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

From what I am reading about Arnette, he is a real physical CB; and his play is similar to the style of Jonathan Abrams. If this is the case, there are two things I worry about. First, will his aggressiveness be continually flagged by the officials. Second, does he go for the ball first, then the hit; or the hit first, then the ball? In this league, a successful CB has to go for the ball first, then the hit. From all indications, Arnette likes to hit. This is definitely a gamble here; and I agree with Raider 00 that in both cases we went after the "other guy" in the draft.
The only thing I am wary of, is this Gruden's picks or Mayock's picks? I think Mayock would have went after Lamb or Jeudy with #12; so I think these are Gruden guys. Not that I think either are horrible players, but I thought we could have had better value at these spots. Gruden needs to listen to Mayock just a little more about things, otherwise Mayock won't last too long and we lose another Ron Wolf type GM due to pure ego.

12:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


We don't know yet, but the Raiders may have whiffed taking Ferrell with the 4th overall pick last year. Meanwhile, Josh Allen, the guy they passed up to pick Ferrell, was runner up defensive rookie of the year. Plenty of Raiders fans were hoping for Allen when Ferrell was selected. Actually, it seemed obvious!

Hopefully, that's not what happens now with Lamb or Jeudy. Raiders had their choice.

Raiders still need more help at WR. Adding one speedster isn't going to get it done, and neither is signing the kid from Philly (who drops passes).

IMO, Doss has one foot out the door. Somehow he got into Gruden's doghouse. I think it's when he declined to sign with the Raiders after he was released and picked up by another team... and Raiders had to up the ante. I think Gruden got his feelings hurt because we barely saw Doss after that, despite a huge void at the position.

12:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Plenty of trash talking out there about the Raiders first round, especially Arnette, whom, apparently, nobody had as first round talent. PFF posted there were 11 CBs ranked higher when the Raiders selected Arnette.

Of course you can't believe everything you read but, damn, that's scary to think. My biggest concern about Arnette is his speed. 4.56-40. That's not good enough to play against any of the Chiefs WRs. Shouldn't that be the benchmark the Raiders are looking for?

They draft a 4.27 burner at WR, then draft a slow CB. Hell, these guys can't even practice together. It wouldn't be fair.

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY,
Plenty of trash needs to be talked about Arnette. Look, draft grades are based on how the majority of NFL scouts grade players. This is done through polling. These #'s are solid, and gives insight to how a team maybe thinking overall. Most of the time, the scouting numbers don't lie; but this is a strange year where these numbers weren't as readily available in the month or so leading up to the draft like they've been in the past. A lot of players ranked low are being picked in higher rounds. Matt Hennessy was a 4/5th round grade by most scouts, just went in the third round. Same with the 2 WR's we just picked at 80 and 81.

But it is all dependent on the GM and Coach and what/who they want and look for in a player that fits the need. Unfortunately, all of these picks for the Raiders seem like Gruden picks and not Mayock picks. Gruden seems to be more exuberant when they show him and Mayock. Mayock looks and acts kind of stoic. Gruden may be going with his big "gut" rather than his scouts, and guys, that is a red flag for the Raiders if so. Gruden is not a great scout, and failed miserably in Tampa in this role. I hope it pays off for the Raiders, but I'm not that hopeful of our picks, outside of Ruggs. I am grading the Raiders draft so far (2 picks in the 3rd out of 3), as a C-. This is based on available graded players on the board vs who they picked. I'm not too excited about it. Let's see who they get at #100. I hope it is a D-lineman, CB, or OLB.

8:28 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


What's up with drafting 3 WRs in their top 4 picks?

Remember, they pulled this s**t two years ago when they drafted both Miller and Parker in their top 3 picks.

Did the Raiders stop scouting players and just decide to overload their roster with WRs for future tryouts?

They neglected key needs at other positions.

This is the Twilight Zone of drafts... more bizarre than even Al could cook up.

Sorry, but overloading one position smells like a way of mitigating poor scouting.

Obviously, after a scorched earth approach at bringing in every possible WR since the beginning of last year, Gruden is unhappy with all of them... to the point which it clearly may have cost the rest of the team.

Cue the T-Zone music!

5:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Now that the Raiders have played their cards and shown their lack of self-confidence in scouting and in all WRs on their roster (save Renfrow), I have to go back to my original position that CeeDee Lamb was the guy at #12.

I guess it made too much sense to just draft the consensus best wide-out and then move on to the next critical need.

Ruggs picked #12 could have been available at #19, and Arnette picked at #19 could have been available at #80... and if not, who cares!

Mayock (perhaps at the behest of Gruden) is insanely guilty of doing what he said teams should never do... reach for need.

5:36 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Are some of these wide receivers two way players? I mean, can they play defense too?

Good Lord...this is AWFUL!!!!!!

5:42 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Bowden, Jr., our first 3rd round pick is a project player, a poor man's Jalen Hurts. However, Hurts is a legit QB prospect and Bowden is probably not, nor do the Raiders want him at QB.

Bowden, Jr. is listed as a WR but has played wildcat and can run the ball. He also subbed at QB over 8 games due to injury. He's talented but this is no time to take risks.

Third round pick(s) should not be a pet player. College draft is loaded with talent. Raiders should be drafting legit starter prospects... Like Edwards, another WR drafted with the next pick.

Taken individually, I was absorbing the decisions to select Ruggs over Lamb, even Arnette over the 10-11 CBs ranked higher than Arnette, but, as a whole, this draft has me really concerned.

Put it this way, there's real cause for jealousy when you look up and down the NFL and see the talent being drafted by other teams, including and especially the teams in the Raiders division.

This just seems like a pet project fest for Jon Gruden.

9:13 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


CB Robertson taken with the Raiders 2nd pick in the 4th round (pick #139) was reported to fall in the mid 80's on some draft boards, while CB Arnette taken with the #19 overall pick ranked as high as the mid 50's. By this measure, one was a reach and the other was a steal.

Hopefully, they're both ready for the NFL.

Raiders (Mayock) seem far better at identifying value after the first 1-2 rounds.

12:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Go find a highlight package for Robertson. Raiders could have taken this kid in the 3rd round without missing a beat... late 2nd round if they had a pick. His instincts look great. He reacts quickly to the ball in coverage and in defending the run.

This might be my favorite pick of the draft.

Watch tape on Arnette too. He seems overly aggressive to the point where he uses his hands too much. College refs let him get away with a lot more contact than NFL refs will.

12:27 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Once again the front seven issues of the Raiders are totally ignored.

They signed a free agent LB from the Rams. So I guess that fixes everything.

LB's, DE's, DT's, you just don't need'em to win in the NFL...LoL!!!

It's gonna be another long year watching the defense get drubbed.

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I agree Raider00, but I think they are going to rely on Malik Collins and Mo Hurst as starting DT, and Crosby/Key/Ferrell rotation at DE. I felt they could have used a guy at DE and failed to snag one.
It wasn't just the Raiders' draft that was weird, this whole draft was weird. Highly rated players picked in mid-low rounds, and low-ranked players selected in the first 2 rounds. Raiders definitely reached for Arnette at #19. The more I think about and watch film on Ruggs, the more I like him and feel that it was a good selection at #12. But think about it. We could have drafted Lamb and Ruggs at #12 and 19. That hurts!
We let some good players go and seemed to reach for players that could have been picked later. I'm confused and really at a loss for words with this draft. I didn't think COVID effected the way people thought and reasoned.
Again, my grade for the Raiders for the draft (based on who they picked vs available talent) is a C-. Very poorly thought, very poorly executed. Just Wimpered, Baby!

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Nate... I agree. if the Raiders were determined to load up on WR's, they should have used both 1st round picks on them.

They could of had any combination of Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb. Any 2 out of the 3.

Then they could have used rest of picks to focus on defense.

Once again, I can detect no real plan for building a team. A team that includes defense. A defense that includes the front seven.

I grade this draft a D.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what are you talking about they added 4 quality players to the front 7 on D.

Littleton is a pro bowler, Kwiatkoski a legit NFL starter, the raiders are often in 2 lb 5 db so that lb for the first time in awhile have solid players. Drafting any lb excpet Simmons would have been a waste.

In terms of d line man a total of 1 was taken from 12 onwards in the first round so who the hell did you want them to draft

Maliek Collins is one of the best pass rushing DT and Nassib is a starter or excellent depth.

They did a ton to address the front 7.

The defensive backfield is where there are too many young unproven guys. Damarious Randall will help for a year or two

5:19 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Murray and Queen were both available to the Raiders at #19, and both represent speed and intensity that the Raiders should covet at LB. Taking Arnette instead of either of these guys was a big reach, IMHO.

Randell is young, but he's not the answer. Browns were happy to see Randall go. He's been a TD machine for the opposition.

Opportunity costs were high for the Raiders in this draft. 3 WRs including a project player in their first 4 picks. The only player selected in the first 4 picks that wasn't a WR was a reach by ALL accounts. Raiders will not grade well for this draft... at least initially.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take, glad your back posting! I think this draft went really good. The Ruggs pick was spot on and was the reason the 9ers made the first move in the draft (back) because the guy they wanted was no longer there. Also Arnette is the top ranked man on man cover corner in the draft not sure how that was a reach...even Mayock didn’t want to move back for fear of losing him. And Bowden was picked as a rb “Joker” this kid is selfless and I think will pay dividends in our return game. Keep em coming Take!
Topher

11:16 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


IMO, the Raiders clearly improved at WR and CB, the two positions they needed most. But I'm not entirely smitten over this draft.

Ruggs will not be a producer like Lamb. Cowboys stole one there at #17.

I like what I've read about Arnette in terms of his toughness and determination. My primary concern is that he does not possess the athleticism and speed to keep up with NFL WRs, especially Chiefs WRs, e.g., Tyreek Hill. It's a miss-match the Raiders can't afford. Plus, his aggressive hands-on-the-WR style of play is gonna get flagged in the NFL.

I strongly believe the two speedy LBs Murray or Queen would have been better options at #19.

By comparison, Raiders second CB pick, Robertson, is athletic and fluid but also tough. His highlights are impressive and show him reacting to the ball.

Both these guys have skills that should improve the Raiders weak secondary.

The Bowden pick at #80 (Raiders first pick in the 3rd round) is a headscratcher. Does Gruden plan to run a wildcat offense? Does he plan to run gadget plays which Bowden throws the ball? The kid is clearly super athletic and charged but can Jon Gruden and Derek Carr pull off an offense that allows this kid to be successful. So far, Gruden has shown us some boring and unimaginative playcalling even when he tries to move players around... just ask the Jets defense.

I thought the plan was to draft a big RB (thunder) to compliment Jacobs (lightning).

I guess every draft has its would'a, could'a, should'a, so why should this one be any different.

5:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Murray or queen makes no sense. The Raiders spent big money on two linebackers who will be starting they don't need a third who is going to be a backup the Raiders barely ever have three linebackers on the field at the same time like most NFL teams these days. At least Arnette will be starting cornerback is a way more important position in today's NFL

6:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Raiders play a base 4-3. They at least need to be prepared for that. Who is the third LB?

Also, let's hope they have enough depth to rotate players and keep the defense fresh.

Murray and Queen represent speed and tenacity that the Raiders need.

10:00 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Khalil Mack's little brother went undrafted and the Bears signed him as a FA. Like big brother, he also played at Buffalo and put up some decent numbers. Wish the Raiders signed him, and not the Bears.

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Alright, the more I read on the players the Raiders drafted, the more I like it. Here is an article I saw posted by a friend of mine (who yes, I told about this site, and hopefully they come and comment).
The article is from PFF, and here are their Rankings/Grades of their Top 10 CBs:
#1 Amik Robertson, La Tech (Drafted by Raiders), PFF Grade of 91.9, 40 targets, 13 Receptions allowed.
#2 Trevon Diggs, Bama, PFF Grade 90.9, 40 targets, 12 receptions allowed.
#3 Damon Arnette, Ohio St (Drafted by Raiders), PFF Grade of 84.2, 36 targets, 10 receptions allowed.
#4 Jaylon Johnson, Utah, PFF Grade of 81.8, 48 targets, 17 receptions allowed.
#5 Lavert Hill, Michigan, PFF Grade of 80.7, 25 targets, 9 receptions allowed.
#6 Jeff Okudah, Ohio St, PFF Grade of 80.2, 36 targets, 13 receptions allowed.
#7 Luq Barcoo, S Diego St, PFF Grade of 80.1, 59 targets, 25 receptions allowed.
#8 AJ Green, OK St, PFF Grade of 77.1, 36 targets, 15 receptions allowed.
#9 John Reid, Penn St, PFF Grade of 76.8, 32 targets, 13 receptions allowed.
#10 Kristian Fulton, LSU, PFF Grade of 75.5, 50 targets, 18 receptions allowed.

7:18 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Wasn't PFF the one that graded Arnette as a 3rd round pick and out of its top-10?

I think Arnette was a baller in college but I'm really nervous about his 4.56 speed. He might have football speed but that won't be a factor when he's chasing a speedy NFL WR down the sideline.

1:43 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, the Raiders have a lot to answer for in this draft (at least to the fans).

As 00 pointed out, Ruggs wasn't even the best WR drafted from Alabama, Jeudy was and he went to the Broncos. And it really bothers me that the Cowboys got Lamb at #17.

Picked at #19, Arnette needs to be a plug and play CB. Otherwise, it was a bad pick. Right?

With their next pick, Raiders draft a gadget player. What about another CB or a LB? Raiders desperately need depth at both positions. Also, another RB to share duties with Jacobs.

They look to have gotten some value picks later in the draft, which appears to have become their strength... but it's the early rounds that they need to make the smartest picks.

Getting immediate help with their top 2-5 picks is where the Raiders should be judged for this draft.

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Look, I realize the NFL has changed a lot over the years. it's a very offense driven league right now.

The Chefs just won the SB without a great defense. And the 49ers defense was exposed by the Chefs offense.

Carr now has some weapons, and this will be a make or break year for him.

The defense, IMO, is still very leaky. So Raiders will have to score many points to win games. Check out the schedule,(if there's a season), it's a tough one.

2:48 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


I just watched "The Call" on Raiders.com which Gruden spoke with every draft pick before the selection was made. Very inspiring right now in the f'd-up world we live in. Raiders picked some tough kids who want to play football and they all bring something to the team.

I have my disappointments with this draft but I'm no scout. Raiders addressed some key needs, and found some real value toward the end of the draft.

I'm really looking forward to the season, and just hope we actually have one!

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I think I am going to make a bold prediction here. Amik Robertson is a starting CB this next season. Where he starts, I don't know. Who he bumps out to start? Either Isaiah Johnson or Damon Arnette.

Here is a highlight video of Amik for 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M71bKDQSo0

Here is one of Arnette:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHe9zRYdpWU

6:19 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

You can see the difference between Arnette and Amik. Arnette is going to struggle as he has a tendency to keep his eye on the WR and does not turn around to watch the ball as he defends, and he is going to be called for that. He also holds and grabs the WR too much. He has good hands and can fight off WRs, but if he doesn't turn to watch the ball, and can't keep his hands off the WR, he is going to rack up the penalties.

He has some strengths: great open field tackles, not much going to get by him after the catch. He has terrific closing speed to the ball once it is in the air. He can force the ball out pretty well too.

He is a good, physical WR, but he cannot guard a WR without grabbing him in the above video. Very handsy, and is glued to the WR and not the ball.

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Hey, any chance the Raiders take a chance on Jadeveon Clowney?

He's still out there, and maybe can get him on a one year deal.

Any thoughts?

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I think it is dependent on how much he wants. I wouldn't mind Clowney, and think he would fit in nicely. If we can get him for a good price then yes, I'd take a chance on him. But I also think he is looking for big $$.

4:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Economics will prevent the Raiders from signing Clowney. Way too much $.

Nate, my posts above say the same thing. Arnette is going to get flagged for his hands-on approach in coverage. Robertson has better instincts and athleticism. But Arnette is a 1st round pick and will be given every chance, and then some. I see Robertson replacing Joyner in the slot. Joyner is better suited for deep safety where he can watch the ball and react. Damarious Randall is not a reliable option at safety. Randall is among the league leaders in giving up TDs. Raiders would have been better off retaining Joseph.

Safety is still a big concern.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Arnette can play perfect coverage every time, and he still will draw many flags.

He's on the Raiders!!

8:26 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Raiders have a tough schedule this year, particularly early on... and including two cold weather games late in the season (at Jets and at Denver).

Derek Carr has pretty much proven he cannot play effectively in cold weather. I think it was Damien that suggested the Jets game would be a revenge victory for the Raiders. Not sure what he's been smoking but the Jets completely dismantled the Raiders last year and the Raiders were unable to do a thing about it. So it's tough envisioning the Raiders enacting any revenge in December, in the Meadowlands. As of right now, I have no interest in going back to the Meadowlands for a second helping of that debacle.

Good news, there are 4 prime time games.

IMO, for the Raiders to break through to a winning record this year, they will need good coaching. There's no more room for excuses. And if Carr can't break through himself, we could find the Raiders starting over next year with a new QB. That would be the midpoint of Gruden's ridiculous 10-year contract.

7:31 AM  
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8:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Outside of Kolton Miller, the Raiders 2018 draft (Gruden's first) is pretty much a bust. I think this assessment pretty much sums it up...

"The rest of this draft is utterly forgettable. PJ Hall has done nothing, Brandon Parker has looked dreadful in spot duties, Arden Key has flashed in camp and preseason only to fizzle out in the regular season, Johnny Townsend was literally the worst punter in the NFL before being replaced last year by undrafted rookie AJ Cole, Azeem Victor didn’t make the team, and Marcel Ateman has 20 career catches bouncing back and forth from the practice squad."

If rebuilding the Raiders depends on the drat (which it does), then the Raiders have only 2019 and 2020 drafts to show for it. Gruden dismantled the Raiders roster and previously drafted players as his first order of business. Now his 2018 draft is highly in doubt.

Maybe we should be thankful for Mike Mayock. His first draft was fantastic... jury is still out on 2020 but there are at least a few hopefuls.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is NY checking in with nothing of substance to say except hate for Gruden and the Raiders

8:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Jones, are you welcoming me to your club, because you've been clinging to nothing of substance since 2003.

3:47 AM  

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