Sunday, November 24, 2019

Jets Gameday Thread

This is what I would call a cultural "must win." The Jets are a nowhere team. Yes, it's on the road. Yes the Jets are playing better. But if the Raiders plan to make any sort of run this year, this is the type of game they need to dominate. To prove it to themselves. To set the tone and serve notice. I think they will do it. GO RAIDERS! 

26 Comments:

Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Deplorable defensive play by our backs and safeties. You cannot continue to leave receivers open fellas.

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The Jets have done what I feared would happen, and that is expose the Raiders weaknesses on both sides of the ball. Our DB play is beyond deplorable, and our offense's inability to move the ball contributes to our DB's poor play. The Jets punched us in the mouth, and we fell down and started crying. Dare I say, for the first time in a long time, this is a "Clown Car" kinda game.

12:36 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


The Raiders will need to bounce back in a big way next week at K.C.

Otherwise, I'm afraid this season could have a very ugly ending.

1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man o Man... just when I thought the days of the clown car had officially passed.

Not much else to say really... Cue it up Take :(

5er

1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raiders got their ass kicked. After that bs roughing the passer the wheels came off. From there on out they looked tired.

Feeling very sad

Monday am is going to be brutal

Sandy

2:46 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's much worse than you can imagine. That's several hours I'll never get back. I went to the game!

Pathetic is the only word that comes to mind. My group exited the stadium in the 4th quarter. Of course the Raiders exited the game sometime in the first quarter, so I don't feel bad for leaving when Mike Glennon came in to mop up.

Tailgated in the rain with a tent. Parking lots were jammed with Raiders fans. Lots and lots of Raiders fans at the game. Looked like 50/50 at times. But once it became clear the Jets were having their way, Jets fans out-voiced Raiders fans 10:1. Sam Darnold is an escape artist who knows how to thread a needle. He also knows how to throw to wide open WRs in blown coverages.

The sack that wasn't didn't matter. Raiders were gonna get their asses kicked regardless.

Raiders have lots of work to do!

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY,

G8ven you had the sightline advantage of being there Were Raiders WR even getting open?

Sandy

4:19 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Yes and no. Lots of drops, so receivers were getting open. The one Williams dropped was ridiculous. He was all alone and I was celebrating as the ball was in the air. It was a deflating moment in the game, just like the BS roughing the passer call. Richard dropped an easy one too. Renfrow's drop was legit. He got nailed.

Mostly, the Jets stacked the box and the Raiders played right into it with runs up the middle and short passing.

On defense, crossing routes were open all day. Raiders LBs continue to be a liability in coverage.

I know you don't want to hear this but much of the blame falls on coaching, on both sides of the of the ball, for not being prepared.

Gruden tried to disguise formations by moving people around, and it seemed crisp at first. But the Jets defense was unflappable and more than ready to defend all the Raiders had, again, mostly runs up the middle and short passes.

The one lateral to the outside I remember went for about 19 yards. Then they never ran it again. Instead, they kept pounding the middle and and short passes.

This was a deflating game like nothing I can remember. IMO, we almost have to expect the same thing from the Chiefs because they already handled the Raiders in Oakland.

What a shame!

Obviously, the Raiders are better than the egg they laid yesterday, but I think Gruden has a ways to go to find contingency plans when teams shut down his offense. It's insane watching him call the same plays even after teams are defending them. Time to expand the playbook, IMHO!

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Renfrow lost for the season it looks like

Thats a downer.

NY, normally I take umbrage when you criticize Gruden but I agree his play call could have been better yesterday. Particularly the Ingold call on 4 and 1 seemed discombobulated. That being said, when you have no WRs and the ones you have are not holding on to the ball its a little hard to play from behind and get creative. I think the Raiders if they dont have the run game going are not in a good position offensively. I would say Gruden has made lemonade with lemons this year.

Sandy

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NYR...You say receivers were getting open, but Raiders continued to throw short passes.

Isn't this on Carr ? If receivers are open, Carr doesn't have to throw it short. He can throw it down the field instead, right?

4:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

00 - I guess I'm counting drops as receivers being open. There were plenty of them. But you're right, Carr is to blame... and so is Gruden, Guenther, WRs, and everybody else.

Definitely a team effort, or lack thereof.

Darnold didn't need his receivers to get separation. He outplayed Carr by 10x. The play backed up to the end zone Darnold should have been sacked for a safety but was able to get the ball out for about 20 yard gain.

Sandy - the 4th and one play is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. That play worked several weeks ago but you can't run the same play on every 4th and one. It's insanely stupid to think teams aren't watching film.

IMO, the lack of WRs is becoming a lame excuse for poor judgement and decision-making.

Raiders have the best TE trio in football. They also have speedy guys like Richard and Washington, not to mention they rarely pass to their most dangerous weapon, Jacobs.

Waiting for Raiders WR to make something happen is a mistake. Send Richard or Jacobs down the field and pass the ball. PIs work too.

The Raiders short passing game became so predictable Sunday, Jets defenders were jumping the routes.

I'm afraid that unless a completely different team shows up next Sunday, we can probably expect more of the same.

4:18 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Just looking at the snap counts. Whitehead and Morrow continue to get 100% snaps every week, and we wonder why the defense doesn't get any better.

These guys are rotational players on any other team. Whitehead is probably better at the LOS and Morrow is perhaps better in coverage (than Whitehead). They should be sharing snap counts with only one on the field at a time.

LB is every bit as urgent as WR this coming off-season.

Remember, the Raiders started this season with as many QBs on the roster as LBs. That kinda says it all.

4:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY

The mere fact you are advocating using RBs and TEs as WR speaks to the bind Gruden is in. He is doing the best he can with the weapons they have. You can not throw the ball down the field without outside speed. The only one who comes close to that is Williams and he is a #2 as we all know.

Sandy

11:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I agree. I never said Gruden wasn't in a bind at WR. That much is painfully obvious. IMO, he's not utilizing his resources very well... at least not in the last couple games where both the Bengals and Jets shut down the Raiders rushing offense.

Again, teams watch film, they learn tendencies. Time to open the playbook and change things up.

Renfrow is out. Raiders now need another slot option. Gruden is suggesting the same thing I am saying, TEs and RBs in the slot, maybe on the outside.

Q: Has Doss dropped so far on Gruden's depth chart (doghouse?) that he still can't make it on the field after pitiful WR performances and injury to Renfrow?

Gruden must not like this kid. Right?

Doss had 115 and 118 catches his last two seasons in college and lit it up most of the pre-season. What are we saving him for? Waivers?

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY,

If Doss could contribute I'm sure he would have been used by now. I think the o line is tired and banged up you might not have seen it while at the game but on one play Rodney Hudson got completely steamrolled and that never happens.

Not trying to make excuses but I think that long road trip took a lot out of the team and it's catching up with them now.

On another note if Abram becomes half as good as Adams the Raiders would have had the best draft in history.

Regards Sandy

3:32 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Since year 2000, how many times have the Ravens rebuilt into super bowl contenders while we still wait for the Raiders to rebuild even once??




3:53 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, Raiders went into the game with David Sharpe as the only injured O-lineman. If the O-line was banged up it's probably because the Jets D-line banged them up.

Meanwhile, Jets had a long list of injuries going into the game, and had players leave the game with injuries.

Hopefully, it's just one game and they bounce back to give the Chiefs a real fight (win or lose).

1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trent Brown and Rodney Hudson are both playing hurt and have been for weeks. Neither are healthy

Sandy

4:03 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders have plenty of issues to point out, but the beat down they took last Sunday to the 3-win Jets was inexcusable.

It will be interesting to see if they can bounce back. This Sunday's game will speak to the character of the team. Another loss like that will be tough to stomach, and tough for the Raiders to recover from in 2019.

7:08 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gafford was elevated from the practice squad. Last time we saw this kid he was streaking for the end zone after beating the coverage and catching a long pass in pre-season.

Raiders need someone to play Z. Gafford is fast!

Meanwhile, Gruden and Doss need to kiss and make up. What's the reason for the doghouse treatment? Raiders (presumably, Mayock) went out of their way to re-sign Doss away from the Jags at a pretty hefty salary (equal to about a 4th rounder). Then Doss proceeded to disappear from any action.

Doss had one tough game at the end of pre-season but was otherwise flawless, catching tip toe sideline passes and otherwise exciting the entire fan base.

So WTF happened? You don't go from being a prolific pass catcher in college with 115 and 118 catch seasons, to lighting it up in rookie pre-season, to falling off the planet.

IMO, Gruden resents Doss's for his rebuff of the Raiders initial offer to return to the team, and it wasn't until the Raiders more than doubled that offer before Doss agreed.

With all the attrition the Raiders have dealt with at WR, I'm guessing my theory is a pretty good bet. In some ways (this being one example), Gruden can be like AL. Doghouse is a real thing in Gruden's world.

Anyone have a better theory why Doss can't see the field? ...because the Raiders have thrown everything but the kitchen sink out there, and it's mostly not worked.

Good news about Gafford is, he should know the plays. It's not like bringing in Jones or Davis in the 11th hour.

11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY

Your post is ridiculous and just more of you hateful spew at Gruden. Yeah Doss is really Jerry Rice in disguise and Gruden is pissed off at him that is why he does not play---lol

Dude this is so laughable, how about he sucks and was undrafted. You have a pattern of watching preseason seeing a guy make a few plays and anointing him great. You have done that with like 6-7 guys over the last three years. Show me one who has turned out to be a starter never mind a pro bowler. Anthony Rush, Hatcher---find me one.

Please go back to turkey leftovers and Fleciano

Sandy

4:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Wow! Here we go again. I'm only entitled to your opinions.

Raiders thought enough of Doss to pay him 4x his rookie salary based on his undrafted status. Mayock must have been reading my posts (wink!).

Even if you only lived in a Raiders bubble since 2001 you would know Gruden is capable of benching players for any variety of reasons (hell, most coaches are).

Raiders have gone through WRs like they're disposal diapers. Brown, Grant and Nelson all waived, and injuries to Williams and Renfrow, etc. If Doss sucks so much, as you say, why don't they just release him? He lingers on the roster while they call up guys like Ateman and Gafford from the practice squad, yet Doss barely sees the field, if at all.

Because he "sucks?"

That's all you have?

Let's put you on record now (11/29/2019) as saying, "Doss sucks."

Funny how you can say he sucks but you don't dare question why the Raiders went out of their way to re-sign him from the Jags. That's a little conflicting, don't you think?

5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY,

Doss was an emotional mistake by management in the aftermath of the Brown debacle. Great they wasted 700k who frigging cares

Yes here we go again. I was thinking the same of you oh bitter one.

The Raiders have a winning record n Dec playing with a mash unit. 1/5 of the secondary that started the season is playing now. Lost their top LB. Hardest schedule in NFL history perhaps, unreasonable travel, 6 weeks in a row no home game. 5-6 rookies and 3-4 fa type castoffs starting. I could go on for a paragraph or two. my point:

Gruden is awesome, he changed the culture, called the plays, set the new strategy, acquired the picks, 6-5 in Dec in year 2---fantastic progress

If you truly understood the Raiders of the 70 and early 80s, you would realize the necessity of: a charismatic leader, who has a touch of crazy, a true Raider with historic ties and a deep love for fans of the Nation. This was the very thing the Raiders had to have to pick up the torch after Al and maintain the uniqueness and culture of the franchise while getting back to the playoffs. Madden is too old to play any role, there is only one----GRUDEN.


stop dissin him, enjoy it.

Sandy




7:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

My take is simply that Gruden is still growing into the job. He isn't always "awesome," as last Sunday made painfully obvious. He's certainly had his moments but he still has a long long way to go to reach the kind of greatness you have already bestowed upon him.

But I wasn't speaking so globally. I was only speaking of the WRs and Doss, specifically.

We have you on record as saying "Doss sucks."

Personally, I disagree. I believe Doss is a player and there is no good (or lasting) reason he can't get on the field.

But my point isn't really that he's good or bad. It's that he sits on the sideline while others come and go in a revolving door of WRs that stretches from Oakland's practice squad to Buffalo. And they've all been underwhelming.

As I said, for a team that has gone through WRs like disposal diapers, leaving Doss on the sideline makes no sense.

With the possible exception of Renfrow, nobody has stepped into a role at WR.

You say the Raiders made a mistake re-signing Doss. Okay, why don't they just release him? Lets be done with it. Gruden has not hesitated for a second to release anyone else. Is a roster spot so unimportant that Gruden would keep Doss on it if he sucks!

4:25 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Weather forecast for Arrowhead stadium is overcast 36 degrees and 20 mph winds, same as the Jets game.

And just like the Jets game, weather the day before and the day after the game will be sunny and warmer. Talk about bad luck!

The only notable difference is the afternoon start time.

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