Sunday, December 29, 2019

Broncos Gameday Thread

In addition to a slim chance at making the playoffs, a win today would ensure that the Raiders don't end the season with the same record as the lowly Broncos. A lot to play for, time to end the season on a solid note. GO RAIDERS!

33 Comments:

Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders just got jobbed on an Ingold TD by Referees. SHEESH! At least Defense is holding so far. Good drives by Offense, but no joy.

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NFL Refs are the worst, for all teams, in all games.

NFL refuses to improve the product. What can you do?

5:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

End of an era!

I haven't watched the game yet but it's pretty clear from reading media that the refs played a big part in the outcome. What a shame and certainly no surprise.

But the Raiders have to take care of their own business, including and especially during the off-season. There's lots to do.

No denying that Gruden has done some good things this year, and Mayock was instrumental in one of the best drafts I can remember save the 2014 draft (hopefully, the Raiders won't trade Crosby in a couple years!).

However, one takeaway from this season has been the Raiders inability to make second half adjustments. You can scoff at that statement all you want, but there's no other explanation for the Raiders ineptitude in the third quarter, scoring only 27 points in the third quarter thru 16 games. That has to be an NFL record and demonstrates a pattern of ultra conservative play calling that haunted the Raiders most of the year.

So the Raiders end up with the #12 pick in the 2020 draft, and the #19 pick from the Bears. Have to believe one of those picks will be a WR. Unless one of the top LBs fall to the Raiders, they probably pick a CB with the other first rounder.

Thankfully, it was a big season for many young players like Crosby, Renfrow, Mullen, Moreau and Jacobs, and with Abrams in the wings. With two seasons under Gruden now in the books, that's an impressive group and a solid foundation of young talent to build around.

Welcome to the Las Vegas Raiders!

6:12 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Another good statistical day for Carr, but not much to show on the scoreboard.

A late Td and a bunch of field goals. Yes, should have a Td earlier in game, but Carr has been a Raider long enough to know that Refs will rob Raiders if given any chance.

8:52 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Interesting game. Raiders blew plenty of opportunities and the refs made sure they didn't score a TD in the first half. Ingold most definitely broke the plain.

Carr was inconsistent, and most of his yards come after the catch. I think what bothers me most is that he tends to throw underneath when he should be looking down field. James Lofton pointed this out at least twice when the Raiders were well in FG range... why not take a chance down the field instead of throwing for an extra 4-5 yards?! Nope!

I honestly believe Gruden wants to open up the offense more and it's Carr who often holds back.

Seeing Gruden hug Guenther after the game says it all... Geunther will be in Vegas despite presiding over a horrible defense for the past 2 years. I'm not saying it's all on Guenther but obviously the Raiders will believe it's a personnel issue. The D did play hard the last few weeks.

My initial thoughts are to dump Carlson - who is not a clutch kicker - and every WR not named Hunter Renfrow. WR and LB are huge needs during this off-season. Please, no more trades with the Steelers!

Happy New Year!

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NYR...I agree it's Carr holding offense back. he can't seem to get the ball to the WR's down the field. Only if they run short, underneath routes.

We used to wonder why Amari Cooper would disappear from offense for long stretches. Well Cooper doesn't seem to disappear in Dallas.

it looks like it was Carr that made Cooper invisible.

5:17 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


00 - I've said this since Carr was drafted; he's not a drop back QB. Carr played his entire college career in shotgun formations, throwing 50 TDs in his final season. His most successful year in the NFL by far was when Bill Musgrave was his OC and allowed Carr to play out of the shotgun almost exclusively.

It's obvious Carr does not see the field as well when dropping back, and now he's become rushed by his own fear of getting hurt again, e.g., the 3rd down ball he threw into the ground on Sunday with no immediate threat of getting hit.

What's worse, Gruden will not play to Carr's strength. It's a square peg in a round hole problem.

Maybe Gruden and Carr can figure it out, but let's not be fooled by Carr's high percentage passing or yards this season. Sunday's game was a perfect example. Short passes and most yards after the catch. Over 400 yards of total offense and only 15 points. Raiders kicked FGs after Carr threw short passes on 3rd downs instead of going for 1st downs or TDs.

It's a much bigger problem than just adding a couple decent WRs can solve.

Maybe Gruden and Carr undertake serious introspection this off-season... who knows. I expect Carr to start in Vegas but I also anticipate Gruden will make a more concerted effort to have a Plan B at QB. That could mean hoarding more QBs (again!) at roster cuts to 53, maybe even drafting one in the first two days of the draft.

The Raiders success hinges on this process.

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Carr was not inconsistent, his WR's were. They dropped so many passes off their hands and shoulders. The biggest play was the TE screen to Waller, who ran 72 yards; but the Raiders couldn't punch it in. The play-calling was atrocious by Gruden, especially in the Red Zone, it was so predictable and vanilla.

Raider00, Amari Cooper is being blasted by the media here in TX for "disappearing" for the last 7 weeks before showing up against the Redskins. There are a lot of rumblings on local Sports Radio that the Cowboys will not re-sign him and draft a WR. Cooper is a great talent, who appears to be lazy, and it is starting to show. Cooper is being compared to Dez Bryant (good talent, disappears in games for long stretches, and too many drops).

NY, you hit the nail on the head, Gruden will not play to Carr's strength. This is why Gruden gutted the whole team, including the O-Line; because Gruden does not know how to coach to player's strengths. He is a system guy. He has a system, and runs with it. If you cannot play his system, you are shown the door. Carr has shown that he can play under Gruden's system (which is dink-n-dunk). Gruden does not want to go down field, Al Davis forced him to do so in his first go round. Go back and look at his time with the Bucs; he did not go down field. All big passing plays were after the catch yards. Carr is taking a lot of unnecessary heat for Gruden's play calling and system. Case in point, watch the reaction of Carr to Gruden after those 3rd and short plays, and he passes short of the first down marker. Carr comes off the field frustrated, and Gruden shrugs it off. If it were Carr making these decisions, Gruden would be in his ear; and he is not.

There are times in the season, and they have been minimal, where Gruden is in DC's face; but the majority of the time, Gruden is shrugging off DC's complaints. Why? Because this is Gruden's system, these are his play-calls. Completely disagree that this is on Carr, this is all on Gruden.

7:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, I think both inconsistencies are true, i.e., Carr and his WRs. How does an NFL QB miss a wide open Hunter Renfrow running to the end zone?

Meanwhile, even his most reliable receivers, Renfrow and Waller, dropped passes Sunday.

It's perplexing.

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Just a prediction, but it wouldn't surprise me if Jay Gruden was the Raiders OC next year.

Maybe he can figure out how to score in 2nd half of games!!

4:12 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

S&B Q&A with Raiders writers. At least two picked the Raiders coaching staff as the biggest disappointment this season. Other disappointments included giving up draft stock for mid-season WRs who were complete failures.

Here's the link to S&B article.

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2020/1/2/21039842/s-bp-roundtable-the-offseason-is-upon-us

Plenty of blame to go around for 2019; and while there has to be some optimism going into 2020, many Raiders fans are still teetering on whether the glass is half full or half empty. Still as many questions as there are answers.

QB?
WRs 1 and 2
RB 2
RG (Jackson jumped the shark after coming back from injury)
LBs 1, 2 and 3
Defensive Coordinator?
CB/S (at least more depth)
kicker

I would also like to add offensive coordinator... but that's not gonna happen.

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Here are my early draft/FA thoughts and Rumblings:
LB-Raiders are in desperate need of LB help. Many people are predicting the Raiders to draft Isaiah Simmons (LB, Clemson); but I am not sure he will be there when the Raiders have their first pick. If so, I'd agree, depending on what happens in Free Agency. Outside of Simmons, there is not a real standout LB. I think Gruden looks to Free Agency for defensive needs. Cory Littleton (LB, Rams) or Whitney Mercilus (LB, Texans) would be a great move here, along with re-signing Will Compton who came in and stepped up at MLB. Not too mention, Burfict's suspension has been lifted (I think the Burfict signing was why AB wanted to leave, to tell the truth), and we could re-sign him and that would pretty much take care of the LB crew with Marquel Lee, Whitehead, Morrow for depth.
DE-the same can be said for DE. Brentson Buckner (the DLine coach) tweeted something interesting on New Years. He said basically he is not going to spend time with those who don't want to be here as much as he does with those who want to be here. That tells me there are a few players on the DLine that will probably be gone. Mayowa is a FA, but he hasn't done much in his time here. Jacksonville's Yannick Ngakoue (DE) would be an absolute awesome signing. If he signs elsewhere, I don't think Chase Young drops out of the top 6 in the draft, but Yetur Gross-Matos (DE, Penn State) would be a great pick up in the draft.
S-This is another area that can be better dealt in FA than the draft. If the Raiders do not re-sign Joseph, I'd like to see them go after a ball-hawk Safety like Ha-Ha Clinton Dix (Bears) or Devin McCourty (Pats).
CB-Either FA or draft works here, but it would be later rounds in the draft. I don't think we break the bank for Jalen Ramsey, but maybe we can lure Chris Harris away from the Doncos. There are also decent CB's that we can lure for good money like EJ Gaines (Bills), Bashaud Breeland (Chiefs), and Mackensie Alexander (Vikings).
WR-The only name in FA I'd chase is Robby Anderson (Jets), other than that I look to the draft for a #1. A lot of excitement from most pundits about CeeDee Lamb (Oklahoma) and Jerry Jeudy (Bama) and rightfully so. I'd be happy with either of these 2. Another name that we can get in the second round, who has great potential to be a #1 is Antonio Gandy-Golden (Liberty). He is 6'4", and in 2019 posted 70 receptions for 1,304 yards and nine touchdowns, and 71 receptions for 1,037 yards with 10 touchdowns in 2018 (waltersfootball.com). Senior Bowl and Combine will be a huge indicator of what kind of speed he has; but keep your eye out for his name.

Those are my initial thoughts on the area of "need" that I see in the draft and free agency. As the offseason gets closer to the draft, you know I will share my thoughts. Hope you all had a tremendous holiday season and Happy New Years Raider Nation! May your 2020 be filled with unexpected blessings for you and your family. Much love!

2:59 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

That's a lot to digest. I have a few thoughts on it...

- I hope Whitehead and Morrow are done, but I fear they'll both be back.
- Raiders can't afford to bring back Burfict and rely on him. The NFL isn't going to allow it.
- Simmons almost certainly will not last to #12.
- Chris Harris is getting long in the tooth. Hopefully, he finishes his career in Denver and we benefit from his decline.
- Mayowa started strong but kinda disappeared. I think Jordan is a better option, and Key will be back.
- fortunately, draft is deep in the Raiders greatest position of need... WR. Legit #1 WR talent should be available at #19 and definitely at #12 if need be.

At the same time, early rumors are Raiders might be interested in AJ Green. But Green is another long-in-the-tooth player. Rather go with young talent.

In my post above I said RB2 was a need but I forgot the Raiders still have Crowell. He's a legit back (who needs to secure the ball better) and will make fans forget about Richard and/or Washington... and allow Jacobs to get more receiving opportunities.

Happy New Year!

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY,
It is a lot to process, and that is what makes it fun. :D
Chris Harris is 30, which is long in the tooth in football age, but he still has at least 5 years (barring injury) left where he can be effective. He is definitely a better option than Worley. This is also why I added others like Gaines, Breeland, and Alexander.

I like Whitehead more for his run stopping and tackling abilities. Not a lot of players get by him once he lowers his shoulder on them. His primary weakness is pass defense, but he has a knack for being around the ball and making tough tackles. He did better at MLB for us, than he did as OLB with the Lions/and with us. If we re-sign Compton and Burfict, I'd like to see him rotate in running situations with another OLB for passing downs; or possibly move him to DE.

On that note, totally forgot about Dion Jordan, and definitely forgot about Arden Key being hurt. Though Key was playing better before injury, he still had a knack of over-pursuing his plays on occasion; and I think he will be challenged by Crosby and Jordan for playing time.

I think we lose D'Washington at RB to free agency and keep Richard who is better at blitz pick up in passing downs. I'd be surprised if we got rid of both, but would understand why if we did. Although I would like to see Jacobs in the passing game, I also like Richard there too. The only thing is if we keep Richard and Jacobs, we'd need a guy like Crowell, or a bigger back to help with short yards. We need a Wheatley-type back, I big downhill bruiser!

I don't like the rumors of AJ Green, he basically quit on the Bengals this season as a "healthy scratch" when it came to game time. I am tired of picking up players who quit on their former team, and we don't need him. That is why I didn't mention him in the WR spot. I (like you) would rather draft a WR or 2 in the first round.

5:07 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

I'd like to add something substantial but, like the Oak talent, I did not show up for the games. It's Goodell's fault. The sport is dying a slow, miserable death. Go OakLAOakLV. I am out.

8:28 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


OTBlues...you are correct. I used to be a die hard football fan. Now really just a casual observer that spends zero dollars on the NFL product. Raiders seasons usually end early, so it frees up my time for other things, sorry to say.

NFL is all about the T.V. money. That's why they keep coming up with new ways to slow down the game. Stop the action. Add more rules for more "instant" replay. It's just more chances to stop the game, lengthen the game, to stick in more ads, which means more revenue. The flags are flying in every game, and the NFL product now really sucks.

It's a total cookie cutter league now. Yes there are winners and losers, but aside from that, teams do not have the distinctive, character they once had. In other words, I suppose one day the Raiders might be winners again, but can you imagine that they will ever really be like the Raiders again? The swagger, the toughness, the distinct way in which they played the game. The exciting, deep passes. The hard hits, the great rivalries. It can never happen again the way the NFL is now. It's sad.

Think about it. 20 years the Patriots have been winning, and what are they known for? Belichick & Brady, and that's it. Who is the Pats great rival in the league? I can't think of any, can you?

Of course my perspective is someone that started watching football in 1974. Maybe younger fans actually enjoy this big mess of a league. Hard to believe it, but why else would powers that be continue to ruin this once great game.

Whatever the Raiders do this off season, please just stay away from OBJ. No more crazy WR's are needed.

9:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Nate, IMO Whitehead has been just good enough to fool his coaches, and that's why he played 100% snaps on defense most of the year. But did you notice the Raiders defense got notably better toward the end of the season... when Whitehead lost his full-time job to Compton. As Whitehead snaps diminished, the Raiders defense got better. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Whitehead isn't just bad in coverage, he's been statistically among the worst. He went thru an epic stretch since being a Raider that he didn't defend a single pass. He sucked with the Lions. Sure, he makes a lot of tackles. He did that with the Lions too.

00 - I hear ya about the league, globally. But IMO part of our frustration is that we've also witnessed epic failure by the Raiders.

The Raiders were once perennial winners and won 3 super bowls in a short span. Since then, and I hate to say this but, the Raiders have become a generational failure. 15-20 year-old's only know the Raiders as a really bad team. If the Raiders make any noise at all in Vegas, that's all younger fans will know. The Las Vegas Raiders might as well be an expansion team (to younger fans). It will be tough to keep their history in view.

But who knows, the brand could grow. I can't blame Davis for moving the team. Oakland didn't want the Raiders, and Vegas rolled out the red carpet. Davis went from having one of the lowest franchise valuations to one of the highest valuations... even before winning any games. That's impressive, and unquestionably smart business. Unfortunately, it doesn't do us any good.

5:45 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY, I hear ya on Whitehead, and agree. I don't think he has played to his potential; and I think the coaching staff saw it this year, and see him as a stop-gap player until they can find someone better. I think they found that in Will Compton; but I do think Whitehead is valuable as a back up. Maybe that will light a fire in his rear to do better. Players do not like to be demoted. I think Whitehead is all about the money, and protecting his brand over being an above average player. He is average, he does enough to showcase his abilities, but doesn't go "all out." We had people like that in High School, wanting to be just good enough to get to college and play; but not too much to risk injuries. This is Whitehead to a "T". To me, that is the definition of a pine rider.

OTB and 00, it is not the same league. The new QB rules and how to tackle the QB has ruined this league and made it soft. I get the "No-hits-to-the-head" rules; but they are not consistent with that. Cam Newton, we've seen DC hit in the head multiple times without penalty, Lamar Jackson has taken shots without penalty, and others. But barely put a finger on Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes' helmet, and you will be thrown from the game for intentional targeting.

But the whole "You-cannot-tackle-the-QB-with-your-full-body-weight" rule is absolutely stupid and defies all physics. That rule needs to be dumped. IF the QB cannot handle a great tackle from a player, they don't need to be in the League. This is a Tom Brady rule because he's fragile.

OTB, I agree this is Goodell's fault, and unfortunately, won't change until he vacates the office, which may not be for a long time. Goodell is the Bud Selig of football.

6:38 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, I believe Whitehead has played to the best of his ability. As you said in another post, he's always around the ball. IMO, it's because of his excellent conditioning and high energy that Gruden/Guenther left him in games for all defensive snaps.

He's decent around the LOS and no question makes some good plays. But his liabilities, especially in coverage, far outweigh his strengths. At best, he should never be on the field in 3rd and long situations. Raiders will be much better off finding a more versatile LB.

IMO, Raiders should keep Compton as a rotational/backup LB and replace all others. LB is as urgent as WR in terms of position of need.

8:03 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Watson to Taiwan Jones (using his speed) just made a game winning play. Bills had a great season but it just came to an end. Two young, mobile QBs.

To be sure, Gruden is contemplating Carr's replacement... whether or not it happens.

5:16 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Not sure how it works, signing players out of the league. Who gets priority? Or is it a free-for-all.

I assume that guys like this should be on the Raiders radar.

From PFT: Packers sign WR Reggie Begelton... Begelton comes to the Packers off a big year for Calgary in the CFL. He caught 102 passes for 1,444 yards and 10 touchdowns in his third season in the Canadian league. Begelton became Lamar’s all-time leader in catches and receiving yards before embarking on a professional career.

Again, this type of player seems like an obvious need for the Raiders, who have been creative getting other players.

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Here is my list for team needs, and who I like via the Draft and Free Agency.

LB-Free Agency: Corey Littleton (Rams, ILB), Shaq Barrett (OLB, Tampa, and could also play DE), Kamalei Correa (ILB/OLB, Titans), Nick Kwiatkoski (ILB, Bears), Nicholas Morrow (re-sign, OLB), Will Compton (re-sign, ILB),
Draft: Isaiah Simmons (Clemson, OLB), Kenneth Murray (Oklahoma, OLB), Anfernee Jennings (Bama, ILB), Malik Harrison (Ohio St, ILB), Troy Dye (Oregon, ILB)
WR-Free Agency: Robby Anderson (Jets), Breshad Perriman (Tampa)
Draft: CeeDee Lamb(Oklahoma), Jerry Jeudy (Bama), Antonio Gandy-Golden (Liberty), Justin Jefferson (LSU), Tyler Johnson (Minnesota), KJ Hamler (Penn St), Jalen Reagor (TCU)
DE-Free Agency: Yannick Ngakoue (Jacksonville), Jadeveon Clowney (Seattle), Dante Fowler (Rams), Matt Judon (Ravens)
Draft: Yetur Gross-Matos (Penn State), AJ Epenesa (Iowa), Jon Greenard (Florida)
CB-Free Agency: James Bradbury (Carolina), Byron Jones (Cowboys), Mackensie Alexander (Vikings),
Draft: Jeff Okudah (Ohio St), Trevon Diggs (Bama), Troy Pride Jr (Notre Dame)
S-Free Agency: Karl Joseph (re-sign), Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix (Bears), Anthony Harris (Vikings)
Draft: Shaun Wade (Ohio St), Kyle Dugger (Lenoir-Rhyne)
DT-Free Agency: Chris Jones (Chiefs), DJ Reader (Texans), Javon Hargrave (Steelers), Michael Pierce (Ravens)
Draft: Derrick Brown (Auburn), Raekwon Davis (Bama),

9:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


Can someone message Gruden to please trade Carr and whatever draft capital needed to Bengals for their #1 pick? Joe Burrow is a QB machine. Set an NCAA record with 60 TD passes in a season, then lit it up in post-season. He had 5 TD passes and ran for another in the biggest game of his life.

The Bengals are set for a generation with this kid at QB.

Plenty of other talent in the Championship game last night. LSU WR Chase caught two long TD passes in full stride, as well as a short TD pass all in the first half. Again, here's a kid performing at the highest level in the biggest game of his life. And, unless I was seeing double, he played both sides of the ball.

LB Simmons was good but not good enough to stop Borrow and his TE Moses, who Simmons was mostly responsible. Simmons had his moments but Murray might be a better fit for the Raiders with his speed and motor... and he might be available when the Raiders pick #19.

Raiders will be drafting from LSU and Clemson rosters... you can bank on it.

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders fired Brenston Buckner, the D-Line coach to hire Rod Marinelli former DC of the Cowboys. Not happy about this move.

3:19 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders in the HoF bias continues as Flores and Cliff Branch snubbed again. I am so angry that Flores and Branch did not get in this year. HoF is a joke.
Flores is definitely more deserving than Cowher, and Cliff Branch and Drew Pearson (Cowboys) are way more deserving than Carmichael. Flores and Siefert are the only coaches with 2 Super Bowl rings to not be in there.
Let's not forget that Lester Hayes, Todd Christensen, Phil Villapiano, Otis Sistrunk, and Jack Tatum all belong in the Hall too.

12:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I don't like the coaching change either. Buckner was a tell-it-like-it-is coach on Hard Knocks. I think Marinelli may be a fallback DC if Guenther gets fired next year, which is a possibility. As it is, Gruden may make him assistant HC (which he did once before).

The HOF snub is beyond explanation. Those are some of the greatest players and HC in the history of the Raiders... and the NFL. There shouldn't even be a discussion.

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


So, we are watching Andy Reid, using pretty much same offense as Grudens, going to super bowl.

Difference is, Reid has a Qb that can beat you with arm, or legs. Gets outside the pocket and makes big plays from broken plays. The kind of things Gannon used to do, although Mahomes is much more athletic than Gannon was.

Point is Derek Carr sits in pocket, and throws ball to whoever runs the shortest route underneath. Time and again, this is what we see.

Nate, I would include Dave Dalby in HOF discussion. Was the center on 3 super bowl championships. Died tragically at a very young age. Great player on great teams. Should be in hall.

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Forgot about Dalby, NY, good call. So many great Raiders that would be in the Hall if they were on a different team. It's a travesty.

7:54 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


00 gets credit for the Dalby selection. That was a good call. Raiders played how many years with only two centers in their history, then relied on Robbins for many years after.

Here's an interesting stat can't be overstated. I needed to read this twice and I still don't believe it.

Raiders used 8 LBs this season and they combined to finish with...

0 sacks
0 forced fumbles
0 fumble recoveries
and only 9 pass deflections.

That's epic failure and largely explains why the Raiders defense can't get out of neutral.

I know Whitehead is a Gruden guy, and he's a cool and likable dude, but another season with Whitehead and other past or present LBs is another season the defense is doomed to fail.

From what I understood so far, the 2020 draft is not deep with LB talent. The Raiders really need to make it a priority.

Simmons will be gone by the time the Raiders draft but this kid, Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma is fast and physical. Apparently, he thrives in coverage and can run to cover the edge.

With all the depth at WR for the 2020 draft, Murray should probably be the Raiders top pick! Because something has to change at LB.

PS I hate that the Chiefs are playing in the SB. That stings!

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


How about this trade....Carr to bears for Trubisky.

Trubisky fits in better with Grudens offense. he can move his feet, run, and throw. Not as polished as Carr, but overall, a better fit.

What do you guys think ?

3:51 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


00, sounds like you're wishing for Brad Johnson. But the Raiders don't have anything close to the 2002 Bears' defense... so another "Brad Johnson" isn't the answer, IMO.

Even with a workable defense in 2019, the Bears offense fell apart at times, just like the Raiders. BTW, the Bears D was a TD per game better than the Raiders.

My opinion is, Gruden needs to figure this out. No excuses!

I hate the notion that the Raiders offense is being pigeonholed into a system that can't accommodate a good QB. Carr was lights out in college and proved he could play at the same level in the NFL under Bill Musgrave.

NFL is a QB league. It's always the same guys in the end... although we are seeing the new generation taking over this year. Maybe Carr doesn't have the x-factor. But Mahomes is no fluke. Raiders will have to deal with him for many years.

Here's the answer: Joe Burrow is going to be a superstar in the NFL. He's the quintessential modern QB. Raiders should trade Carr and whatever draft capital they need to the Bengals for the #1 pick.

Joe Burrow to Vegas!

4:38 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


PS. If you watched the playoffs you saw dynamic offenses, something the Raiders were completely void in 2019. Offense is Gruden's gig. He needs to figure this out. Play calling, halftime adjustments, etc....

4:50 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NYR...I just don't see any way the Bengals trade the top pick. Raiders must face the fact that in AFC, Mahomes, Burrow, & Jackson are standing in the way.

I don't see Mitchell Trubisky as Brad Johnson. I think Johnson was 34 years old when he beat Raiders in 2002. Trubisky is a young Qb with a lot of ability, coming off a down season, and so maybe the Raiders can pry him away.

Check out Trubisky vs Dallas this year. he was tremendous, throwing, running, making all kinds of plays. trouble is he doesn't do it all the time. But man, at times, he reminds me of a young Rich Gannon more so than Brad Johnson.

There's no doubt that at this moment, Carr is better than Trubisky, but I think Trubisky has much more upside, and fits in to Grudens offense because of his mobility.

We will see in the super bowl if 49ers with good Qb, great running game and defense, can beat the superstar QB, Mahomes. if so, that is the blueprint the Raiders must follow, because I don't see any superstar Qb's in Raiders future.

1:28 PM  

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