Monday, November 21, 2016

Texans Gameday Thread

Little late on the draw here, but it's halftime, and so far the Raiders are making Osweiler look like a legit QB and are having trouble hauling in catches. Something needs to change. Fast.

72 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

My quick observations:

Raiders WRs being ineffective, Musgrave made a tremendous adjustment after the half and found mismatches with our RBs out of the backfield.

O-line waited until the last drive to get their second wind and open lanes for our RBs to help finish the game.

Folks can dispense with the officiating conspiracies. Three huge calls that favored the Raiders might have been the difference in the game.

Derek Carr did it again!

Bruce Irving was a baller for the D. He held the edge many times and seemed not to be as bothered by the thin air as other players, many of whom were outwardly effected.

8-2!

5:14 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It wasn't a pretty win, but it was a win. I don't see how difficult it is to have Reggie Nelson cover the TEs, and let the LBs handle the RBs. It is not rocket science, but the opposing TEs continue to hammer us.

I thought on offense, in the first 3 Quarters, Musgraves was trying to be too cute and trying to hard to outsmart the Texans defense. We should have gone up 14-3 after the fumbled kick off by hammering Latavius in from the 1. Also on the 4th and 1, where the pass was blocked, needed to play hard nose football there and be physical and aggressive. I thought they should have let Jano kick the 3 points.

Raiders definitely snatched victory out of the jaws of defeat. But a win is a win! 8-2 boys! If the playoffs started this weekend, Raiders would be the top seed over the Patriots. Let that sink in for a moment. How does that taste? I'm hoping that this is the year the Raiders get revenge for the "Tuck Rule" and end the dynasty that began from that came, while starting a new Raiders Dynasty. JUST WIN, BABY!

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



Reggie McKenzie = NFL Executive of the Year

And you wanted him fired, thank goodness Mark is much smarter than you.

I am a RAIDER

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



As far as the refs, did you see that call on Hayden in the endzone? A gift TD.

Did you notice all the non holding calls along the Texan oline?

They have to even it out when a national audience is watching. Otherwise the rest of the country would be seeing it too.

Me

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haven't been here in ages, but I still love my Mother Fucking RAIDERS!!!!!!

AngelicRaider

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I thought I'd never say this after a Raider game, but I thought the officiating was pretty fair. Even the Hopkins "non-TD" call. If you watch the video, two refs looking down the sideline blow the play dead at the same time, something nobody in the media is talking about.

JUST WIN, BABY!

8:14 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I agree. No TV angle revealed it was a bad call, only that it was inconclusive. IMO, the two worst calls in the game were the two ball spots on 3rd and 4th down which favored the Raiders and led to turnover on downs. TV angles are uncertain but both attempts by the Texans looked like 1st downs to me.

But, apparently, there are some who believe the refs conspired to help the Raiders in order to throw off suspicion of their true intentions of conspiracy against the Raiders. You can't make this shit up. It just happens.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lines did not look good for most of the game, but as usual Carr came through. In the 4th it looked like he could score every time he got the ball. Its wonderful to have a great QB otherwise the team would probably be 4-6 at best.

I am worried about the lack of pass rush, the Raiders wont win a playoff game if they can not find someone to compliment Mack. Waiting on Smith and Edwards Jr., does not make me feel any better, who knows if they will be back and each week they are gone less of chance they will be impactful if and when they return.

Happy thanksgiving to all

Sandy

6:56 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's the Carr and Mack show!

9-2

First winning season in almost 15 years!

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Man, our defense played so well up until the Carr injury, and then momentum shifted. It was like the whole team deflated at that point. I felt it deflate with the team, in the stands, and at home watching on TV. Our season flashed before my eyes, and I couldn't help but think back to McFadden and Campbell getting injured after a 7-4 start. I was glad to see DC come back, but wondered how it would effect his psyche. When he threw the INT, and the Panthers went up 32-24, I was beginning to get a little uncomfortable.

But DC came back after the INT that put the Panthers up, and it seemed to just make him angry. Mack sealed the "W" for us. DC is sooo good right now, and this game showed he is the epitome of MVP in the League. I've got a feeling he will dethrone the Pats dynasty this year, and start a new one for the Raiders. Even Jim Rome is throwing the Raiders love by tweeting "Just win, Baby" after every win this year. DC has biggy brass ones, and Mack is turning it on throw double and triple teams, and still getting the QB rattled. Bruce Irving is also creating pressure to free up Mack from these Double/Triple teams! Sean Smith is playing above average, and the little WR screen to Crabby seemed to wake him up. Amerson was hugely missed, but Antonio Hamilton (rookie) who came in for DJ Hayden didn't play too bad. Had his feet slide out from under him a few times, but he held it together.

Even better news, it appears we may get Aldon Smith back this week too! His reinstatement is expected to take place sometime before Friday. It appears he did not apply for reinstatement as quick as he could have, hence the delay (according to East Bay Times). If he comes back, wooo-doggy! Mack, Irving, and Smith are going to create havoc! JUST WIN, BABY!

6:27 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As much as the defense has struggled overall this year, when the game is on the line, they are better than recent past Raiders' defenses. Same is true of the offense.

They showed JDR's reaction to Mack ending the game on a sack FF fumble recovery, and he was just smiling and shaking his head.

Also, gotta love the players responses to media questions about securing a winning record for 1st time in 14 years. Players brushed it off and said they aren't looking back, just trying to stack wins.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I figure three more wins one of which needs to be KC and they have the division and a first round bye

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaiders
Sandy

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


The "Cardiac" Raiders are on a roll. Pulling out heart stopping wins almost every week. The Oakland Raiders, the most exciting team in the NFL !!

Now for my nitpicking. Last 2 games, only 60 yrds rushing. I don't understand it. Hard to believe teams are stacking the box against Raiders with one of the leagues best passing attacks. Raiders seem to have a stout 0-line, so why can't they run it, smash mouth style, with more consistency ? Is L. Murray the problem ? Just asking.

4:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Murray is good but he's far from elite. There's room for improvement.

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I think Jalen Richard is a better back than Murray. Murray doesn't wait for the play to develop. He runs straight to where he's supposed to go whether there is something there or not, instead of letting the blocking develop and run through the opening. He's robotic. This was why I was hoping to draft Derrick Henry. Latavius has his moments though, they just need to get him to calm down a bit like he did against the Doncos a few weeks ago. He had a terrific game then. Keep in mind too that the Panthers have the #2 ranked Run Defense.

I also think Musgraves' is part of the problem as OC. He can be brilliant with his game plan, or sloppy. His game plan against the Texans and Doncos was pretty brilliant. The first half of Sunday's game was the same. But he's had pretty horrible plans (KC, Atlanta, Tennessee). He hasn't figured out the whole balance attack yet, and neither has Derek Carr. As an OC, he needs to instill in Derek's mind that the running game is just as effective in crunch time. Yes, it's easier to pass protect, but with Gabe Jackson and Osemele, they shouldn't have a hard time opening holes for the RBs, even if they do stack the box.

I don't know if you have seen it or not, but look for Gabe Jackson and Osemele highlights from the Panthers game. Dudes were tossing defenders like rag dolls, and pancaking linebackers on the run. It was freaking awesome! It looked like Art Shell and Gene Upshaw were back in the lineup, holy crap! These guys are animals!

Speaking of defense, 2015 ended with the Raiders ranked #11 in defense. So far in 2016, they are ranked #29. What happened? I know there was a lot of turnover on defense and we gained a lot of new guys, but does it really make that much difference? Last year, we blitzed more too. Why move away from what worked?

8:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Most of 2015 Edwards was an anchor on the D-line and Woodson was in the secondary. Fast forward, Sean Smith is way overrated and we're still waiting for a memorable moment from guys like Reggie Nelson, Jihad Ward, and to some degree Karl Joseph.

That said, Raiders are a better D when they play more aggressively, which includes more press coverage and blitzing.

IMO, for the Raiders to advance, they will need to get better... There are no easy games to finish the season... nor assuming they make the playoffs. It only gets harder.

This week, nobody should be taking the Bills for granted. They are hungry and well-coached, with plenty of talent.

2:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

New pitch for Raiders to stay in Oakland. Oakland to penny up 200M, plus another 600M from investment group led by Ronnie Lott. If Raiders stay, I believe they could also receive stadium money from the NFL, plus relocation fees from Rams and now it looks like Chargers too. That's solid.

Very competitive offer when you consider the NFL would levy a big relocation fee for the Raiders to move to Vegas.

4:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, It's only an offer. Though I would prefer to see the Raiders stay n Oaktown I have my doubts they can get it together and really build a stadium.

Nate, there is no way Richard can carry the ball more than 10 times a game. I agree Murray vision is not the best but I also blame it on the coaching not committing to the run game like they need to (can you blame them with Carr at the controls). Murray needs to get in a rhythm to be effective.

I am seriously worried about the D. Hayden has improved from total crap to generally awful and they still can nto cover TEs and backs. If Olson did nto have such a terrible game of drops who knows what could have happened. Hopefully Edwards and Smith get back and the pass rush improves enough to mask the secondary's difficulties.

Regards
Sandy



4:31 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Offer to keep the Raiders is silly on two fronts: #1 (the most important one) Mark Davis has not been a part of these talks. It is a show by Oakland to say they've done everything to keep the Raiders. #2 There is indication that the group led by Ronnie Lott wants shares in the ownership, something that Mark was once open too, but is no longer open to it.

With that said, there are some problems with Vegas being a done deal. The first is similar to #2 of the Oakland deal. Aldeson is now publicly stating he wants ownership in the Raiders or his money is out; and Mark is claiming that was never part of the deal agreed to by the Raiders and the city of Vegas. We will see who is bluffing if this goes through, but if Aldeson pulls out, the Raiders will be back to square one.

The second problem with the Vegas deal right now is if Oakland and Alameda agree to the plan in place (which looks like a possibility) and they present it to the NFL before the deadline, it will force Mark Davis to sit and discuss the details with Oakland, Alameda, and Lott's group. If it is a reasonable offer, and more reasonable than the Vegas group, then the League can block the move to Vegas and force the Raiders to stay in Oakland (which is something Al Davis fought the League over after they muscled him out of LA).

As far as the defense's ability to cover a TE, it is as simple as moving Reggie Nelson to cover them, and get the linebackers off. Then use Joseph as a deep cover Saftey. Utilize the LBs to shoot the run gaps, and let them stuff the running game. That way the Safety doesn't have to worry about a play action pass. It's not rocket science to correct this coverage. I think the Raiders know this, and maybe they are playing this up as a weakness to shock everyone in the post season. We may have to play against the 2 best catching TEs in the post season, Jason Witten (Cowboys) and Gronk (Patriots). Need to get our act together. JUST WIN, BABY!

7:11 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I think Mark Davis is still upset about the city/county spiking the stadium lease rent when they knew he had no options, while also being disingenuous in their efforts to keep the Raiders.

But none of this is about getting someone's feelings hurt. It's about money. I agree Davis doesn't want to sell an interest, but that doesn't mean he won't need to. It's probably just a matter of time. The Raiders brand may be bigger than life, but their resources are as small as it gets in the NFL.

Vegas still looks like a superior deal, but what still needs to be revealed is what relocation fee the NFL will levy for the move. It could be everything Davis has at his disposal for a new stadium, i.e., $300M of his own and $200M stadium from the NFL.

8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY completely agree Mark will have to sell part of the team in order to get a new stadium in Oakland or Vegas he does not have enough money. If he wants to avoid that he should move to LA. Economically this is the best option for the Raiders. Huge market, stadium is already being built, maintain their Cali fan base and the value of the franchise will increase more in LA than anywhere else. All that being said Mark just like Al does not want to share a stadium.

Nate, you bring the safety to cover TE you are going to single up a corner if not two, the Raiders don't have the corners for that. Furthermore I don't think many teams covers TEs with their FS, its just not how defense works. I think what you are angling at is what teams like Arizona do which is have a lb who is real a DB in this case i.e. Deone Buchanan.

Can we all agree that if the Raiders win the next two they win the division?

Anyone see the video out today of Mario Edwards working out? The man looks a long way from playing football. I move better when I play with my son in thebackyard.

Regards
Sandy

2:16 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

HOLY CRAP!!! KHALIL MACK IS A MONSTER!! The Bills O-Line triple teamed him, and held him, and they still couldn't stop him from stripping the ball out of Taylor's hand. Nor could they stop him from hitting the ball and causing an INT. Mack is on fire of late.

Also, don't forget Bruce Irvin! The only reason why he's not getting more press is because of Khalil. But on every play, Irvin was right there too! Those two guys are finding ways to beat the double/triple teams. Both are laying on consistent pressure too. Just imagine what this line is going to be like when the Raiders get Aldon Smith back? Sick! If you're on Twitter, add Commissioner Goodell, and tweet at him to Free Aldon Smith. Let's start a movement Raider Nation! FREE ALDON SMITH!!!!!

For the first time in 50 years, the Raiders are 10-2!!! We've got a tough road to finish out, and Thursday Night is a HUGE GAME! We gotta beat the Chiefs! I live in Austin, TX, and there is a big buzz about a Raiders-Cowboys Super Bowl here in Houston. They are the 2 most exciting teams to watch this season, and it would be epic! You can guarantee I will be trying to get tickets. JUST WIN, BABY!!!!

6:47 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Carr and Mack are difference-makers. These guys, together, are why the Raiders 10-2. Meanwhile, Chiefs caught another huge break and stole victory from the jaws of defeat... isn't this the second time by botched 2-pt conversion?

Chiefs are still a tough match-up for the Raiders, but maybe not so much in terms of personnel... more from a coaching standpoint. Last time, Raiders played soft coverage and allowed Smith to threw underneath the coverage all day long. That's his bread and butter. Do you think the Raiders learned anything from that? We'll see!

Great win against the Bills! Still lots of work to do.

8:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate,

Actually Raiders were 11-2 in 2000 season but hey whats an extra 34 years it seems like a century ago.

Great win against a talented and tough team.

It will be tough to get a win in KC but if the Raiders do they are in the drivers seat for the division.

I sure hope Joseph is back for that game.



Regards
Sandy

2:56 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


What is the deadline for Chargers to decide if they move to L.A. or stay
in SD ?

Does anyone know ??

4:19 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

SD had a year to decide. I think one year is approaching quickly and they are without viable (or acceptable) offer from the city. It looks like they are headed to LA, but they still have to negotiate with the Rams, who own and control the stadium, for co-location.

Raiders stand to receive a share of relocation fees from the Rams and Chargers. I believe the owners meetings are next week, after which we'll hear more news but probably not any more answers.

4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OO they must decide by Jan 15th. Assuming that Oakland does not build a stadium I would love to see the Raiders grab the opportunty. They would be way more popular than the crappy Rams. they would rule LA

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/05/chargers-raiders-geographic-futures-likely-to-be-decided-soon/

Regards
Sandy

4:53 PM  
Blogger Doobie said...

Oh no! The Raiders are finally a good team and it looks like RT has given up on the site! Say it ain't so, RT! Hope everything's well with you and it's just general blog fatigue (you've been doing this for over TEN years) wearing you down.

--Doobie

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It looks like the Chargers have been talking with Coliseum officials about playing there next season. So I wouldn't hold my breath for the Raiders back in LA.
I think the only way the Raiders even listen to the stadium proposal in Oakland is if the League forces them to sit and listen.

Tough game tomorrow in one of the toughest places to play, KC. I've been to Arrowhead and Kauffman stadiums, beautiful stadiums. I have a ton of respect for the Chiefs even though they are rivals. They are the only team in our division that I have any respect for. This game scares me. We need the win here. Alex Smith is 8-1 against us in his career. The Chiefs are one of 5 teams the Raiders have a losing record against (Ravens, Packers, Texans, and Eagles are the others), and the only one in our division that has our number, as they lead the series record 59-51. The last time we beat them was 11/24/14 24-20, in Oakland. The last time we won at KC was 10/28/12 26-16. We are 4-6 in the last 10 games against them, and on a 4 game losing streak. Time to end it! JUST WIN, BABY!

6:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I think Oakland will get a chance to keep the Raiders, if only because of the high relocation fees the league will try and impose on the Raiders. I don't see MD forcing any antitrust issues like AL did... and almost certainly would in this matter.

Regarding the game, I think the Raiders are guilty of insanely playing the same defense against the Chiefs and expecting different results. Alex Smith is a dink and dunk QB, who mostly relies on passes underneath the coverage. Raiders often play soft coverage, with CBs lining up 7-8 yards off the LOS. We've seen the Raiders D be more aggressive in games, but it's not how they played the Chiefs last time, or in recent memory.

Unfortunately, the Raiders are understaffed in the secondary, and will likely being playing scared... meaning more soft coverage.

My view is to play the Chiefs aggressively on D. Press the coverage and rely on your pass rush to break down the pocket quickly.

LB is another area that needs to step up. Malcolm Smith plays every snap, but he is probably the least athletic LB on the field. Yet he's the guy in coverage against TEs and RBs. This presents huge mismatches. Why can't they resolve this??

Chiefs TE, Kelce, is a big part of their offense. Stop Kelce and Spencer Ware and force Alex Smith to throw down field. Worst case, it becomes a shoot-out with Carr but the Chiefs don't control the clock.

Huge game!

8:36 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NY, Sandy, Nate,

Thanks for the info. If Chargers go to L.A., it will open up the SD market for Raiders. The more options, the better.

I read that Las Vegas is planning to build a domed stadium. I just can't picture Raiders playing under a dome. It would break my heart to see that.

2:43 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Tonight's forecast: 17 degrees.


9:04 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Only one unit showed up to play. Defense! Turns out Derek Carr is only human. He missed several huge opportunities, but also had several passes dropped. In the end, it's a tough loss that dropped the Raiders from #1 seed to #5 seed.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

He had a lot of pass dropped, and Cooper was wide open and didn't even try to catch it, he short armed it and watched it fall. GRRRRRR!
This game had me scared and for good reason. KC has our number. We can only hope that they lose a game, and we win out. The problem is they are at home against the Titans and Doncos (next two), then close the season in San Diego. We are at San Diego next, at home against the Colts, and then close out in Denver. The Colts and Denver scare me as well. Winnable games, but if they play like this, they won't be.
Also, Derek Carr did not look comfortable at all. He was throwing high all night. That was a huge game that we needed, and fizzled out. I hope that is not an indication of the rest of the season.
JUST WIN, BABY!

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pass to Cooper hit the nbc overhead camera wire and that is why Cooper tried to change direction. There were a lot of factors going against the Raiders, Thurs night game/short week, cold, Carr's finger, Osemele a late scratch.

Carr was horrific but he has been fantastic this year so I am considering it anomaly.

My biggest disappointment from last night was the coaching, bad play calls and seem to be dis-jointed.

Regards
Aaron

10:48 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The camera cable was only a rumor. Apparently, they reviewed the replay of that camera and found no movement in the shot that might indicate the wire was hit by the ball.

More like Carr just had an awful night, and his receivers did nothing to mitigate it.

A season-long run of outstanding performances by Carr definitely lends to the notion of this being an anomaly. Let's hope so. Because the Raiders probably need to win at least one more game to secure a playoff spot. I hate the idea of possibly backing into the playoffs.

The one game the defense truly shows up, the offense and special teams jump the shark.

6:36 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The Chiefs faced the same factors as the Raiders. Short week, cold, D Johnson's injury. No excuses. Osemele was a huge scratch, but Vadal Alexander stepped up huge!
The 4-n-6 play to do a WR fade, which hadn't worked all night, was ridiculous. I couldn't believe how many times Derek lobbed the ball to his WRs. But when he would put mustard on it, the WRs couldn't catch it. Not a good time in the season to lose your mojo. JUST WIN, BABY!

11:22 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, I'm pretty sure Alexander was replaced early in the game by Feliciano. Alexander was getting schooled by the Chiefs interior line. Osemele's illness was a huge factor in the game, IMO.

Raiders players are in denial if they think the cold weather didn't affect them. It was pretty obvious. Now, losing that game, means they will have to play in the cold weather somewhere, if they make the playoffs and if they hope to advance.

6:19 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I checked the snap count and Alexander had the bulk, so he was in there. I thought they pulled him, but it might have been for one series.

This game really hurts. Raiders will hopefully come back with a vengeance against the next three opponents and show us why their first double-digit win season in 14 is not a fluke.

6:44 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Titans beat the Doncos!!!! Let's hope they beat the Chiefs next week. Come on Tennessee!!!

If the season ended today, the Raiders would play the Texans in Houston (which I would go to). The Steelers and Doncos would play while the Patriots would be #1 and the Chiefs #2 with the bye. If the Raiders beat the Texans and Steelers beat the Doncos, the Raiders would play NE. If the Doncos beat the Steelers, then the Raiders would play KC.

But since the season doesn't end today, the playoff picture can still change. If the Raiders win out and the Chiefs lose a game, the Raiders go from #5 to #2. The Chiefs play Tennessee next, Denver, and San Diego to close the season.

If the Doncos lose another game, and the Dolphins win out, they will knock out the Doncos. The Dolphins may have lost Ryan Tannehill though, and have the Jets, Bills, and Patriots left. The same can be said for the Ravens, if they win out, they can knock out the Doncos. The Ravens play the Patriots tomorrow, then have the Eagles, Steelers, and Bengals. The Doncos losing is a possibility since they still have to play the Patriots, Chiefs, and Raiders. They can end the season 8-8. Playoff picture is not set, lets hope the Chiefs lose a game, the Raiders win out, and the Doncos miss the post-season. JUST WIN, BABY!

3:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I knew drops were a problem but the Raiders lead the NFL in drops.

From media...

Oakland leads the NFL with 34 drops, and Carr, who has already passed for 3,492 yards, has lost a league-high 286 yards through the air due to said drops, per PFF.

Of course, the Raiders have the two biggest violators in the league in Michael Crabtree, who PFF has with 10 drops, and Seth Roberts, who has nine drops.

In the game at Kansas City, Crabtree, who dislocated his left ring finger four days earlier and injured it again against the Chiefs, caught four of his seven targets for 21 yards, while Roberts had just two catches on nine targets for 12 yards.

5:31 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Not too mention but Crabs and Roberts both had drops in the end zone too. Crabs seemed to catch the ball better after re-injuring his finger too.
If Seth keeps dropping, I want to see more Andre Holmes and Johnny Holton.

7:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Time to secure a playoff spot. Let's win out...

GO RAIDERS!

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

CHIEFS LOSE TO TITANS!! Raiders have to win to regain sole possession of first place! JUST WIN, BABY!!!

2:15 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

As I said 4 yrs ago when most were crying about the need to "blow it up", I said then that 2016 would be the soonest this team would have a playoff spark. It's nice to be on this side of the truth today. Snow Bowl Tuck Revisit, I hope. Not a fanatic, but this is cool.

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awful awful news on Carr. Very sad, the team looks fantastic and ready for a long playoff run. McGloin generally sucks in my opinion

Happy/Sad Holidays
Sandy

4:32 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Derek Carr breaks leg. Breaks our hearts. McGloin no good. Maybe that kid Cook has some Prescott magic in him. We can only hope.

Oaktownblues, you did call it. 2016, the season Raiders finally turned it around. Will you change your name to "Oaktowncheer" ?

4:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Unfortunate is a huge understatement. Carr is the Raiders MVP! McGloin throws a decent ball but doesn't have Carr's vision, and often tracks his target and throws into coverage.

The good news is; because of Derek Carr, we will get to see the Raiders play at least one extra game in January. If the team can rally around Carr's loss, we might see two. It's also up to Bill Musgrave and the coaches to tailor the offense around McGloin, who has a good o-line and plenty of weapons.

Meanwhile, a Broncos' win against the Chiefs would assure the Raiders an extra week to prepare, with a rehearsal game next week in Denver.

Thank you Derek Carr for providing us with the best season in 15 years!

Happy Holidays to all!

6:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY you must be in the holiday spirit because that is a very positive post.

For me I am down in the dumps, in the last 16 years the Raiders have had four good years

00 Siragusa cheap shot on Gannon game over, 01 a made up rule called tuck raiders cheated 02 former coach knows game plan inside out 16 our mvp goes down

Its really unfortunate. This year has been so exciting its too bad we can not finish at full strength. I remember Tory James and Woodson came back in 02 in a few weeks after fractures but were not the same. Maybe Carr can get back for AFC championship if we get that far.

All the best
Sandy

6:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Trying my best, Sandy. I would have much rather lost the Colts game and kept our SB hopes alive.

I am on pins and needles regarding Carr's surgery and his availability, if at all. The big difference between Carr and James/Woodson, as you mentioned, is that Carr does not need to run, so he can wear whatever brace is necessary to support his leg.

Unfortunately, right now, I think we have to assume Carr is done for the year. Carr playing in the AFC championship would truly be a gift.

Best,
NYR

8:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Carr out 6-8 weeks. It's the Matt McGloin show or bust.

Good news is the Raiders are a better team than McGloin played with as a starter a few years ago. If everyone steps up and they limit mistakes, they can be competitive.

This week in Denver will tell us a lot.

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Jim Plunkett was the last backup QB that led the Raiders to a Super Bowl ('80) after Pastorini broke his leg.
McGloin had 4 wins without talent. The Raiders have talent. The question is:
1) Can McGloin call right protection coverage to compliment the play, or will an O-lineman have to make this call?
2) Can McGloin develop a relationship with the WRs that will help progress the passing game without "guessing" as to what the WR will do?
3) Can the Raiders play as a team, on both sides of the ball, as a result of the first real adversity they face this season in losing Carr?

Bottom line is what DC said himself on Twitter, "It's a team sport, we can still accomplish what we set out to do." This is why he is a leader! JUST WIN, BABY!

6:20 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Not sure who's out there but, Happy New Year! May the force be with Matt McGloin and the Raiders today.

Go Raiders!!

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY,
Happy New Year to you as well. I sent Take an email that he will hopefully post. I'm still excited about the Raiders, I still think we can be Super Bowl 51 Champs! JUST WIN, BABY!

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy New Year guys. I told you McGloin sucked. Carr is not only an elite QB he is the soul of the team.

Anyway they play a terrible Houston team next week so who knows.

All the best in 2017
Sandy

4:47 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I think I'm sufficiently discouraged. Raiders issues today went much deeper than their QB play, which was horrible. Playcalling was also horrible, on both sides of the ball. JDR stressed that others would have to step up in Carr's absence, but nobody did, including the coaches. Broncos employed an obvious game plan to make McGloin beat them, and the Raiders weren't smart enough or good enough to counter.

The defense played soft until it was too late. They could have been far more aggressive early in the game... on offense as well.

Instead, the team that showed up today was the same team we've been watching for 12 years BC (before Carr).

Apparently, Derek Carr is THAT good!

Raiders might have to think seriously about signing a QB this week (Mike Vick?). Because if today was any kind of audition for McGloin or Cook, we're screwed.

I think I'd feel better if the Raiders were the least bit competitive today.

Unfortunately, this offseason will be mired in talk of relocation.

Enjoy your week... hopefully, it's a short one for you.

5:18 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

told you they would only start winning in 2016 back in 2012-13, and I got potty mouthed off the board. If legit, they'll be back next year. They wouldn't have made it thru NE anyway, so, next year is better. And if they did, Dallas would eat them alive. What happened to our sponsor here?

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Are the Raiders a one man team ? Sure looked that way. Because without Derek Carr, the Raiders were just awful in Donktown.

Whole team seemed to hang their heads and give up knowing Carr wasn't there. 13 penalties for 125 yrds sure didn't help.

For what it's worth, Cook the rookie looked better then McGloin, so I hope Cook gets the nod vs Texans. Besides, next season Cook will be #2 and McGloin will not even be on team. He is horrible.

After 13 long years, wish I could say I'm looking forward to playoff game....but not really.

5:16 AM  
Blogger Doobie said...

How ironic that we're sitting here talking on the old Texans game day thread when the next game will be against...the Texans.

6:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's really unfathomable that after an incredible and improbable 12-win season we are backing into the playoffs and placing all our hope on a third-string rookie QB (whose name is not Dak Prescott).

Even if McGloin is healthy, he may not deserve to start. He was that bad.

However, the Raiders re-signed practice squad QB Gilbert in case McGloin is out.

Perhaps there were no viable options but it's clear we have reached into the bottom of the league talent pool for the most important position, to play in the most important game in 14 years.

We can expect the Texans to stack the box against the Raiders, just like the Broncos were successful doing. But can we (should we) expect the Raiders to have a game plan to counter that defense?

It was incredibly arrogant of the Raiders to believe they could just run against the Broncos SB caliber defense, even if (and especially because) they were successful doing so earlier in the season.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, I don't think you can blame the offensive coaches, Mcgloin is awful and looked totally unprepared e.g Missed pass to Cooper. Then to have to try and win with Cook while down 17 even Bill Walsh couldn't have done better. The only mistake I saw was not using Murray early they needed power against that d.

The real culprit is Norton the defense is an embarssement and has been all year. He needs to go. I also think JDR is a great leader but not a great tactician. Don't get me wrong JDR is above average but not a game planning genius. Norton though is terrible.

Regards Sandy

3:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, the Raiders showed many weaknesses without Carr; coaching (play-calling) is just one. It's safe to say the Raiders are not as bad as what we witnessed Sunday, but I have a bad feeling that they are one and done in the Playoffs. Texans have another tough D and the Broncos handed them a pretty simple blueprint (not that they need it) to stack the box. Raiders rushing attack is done until they prove they can be multi-dimensional again.

It's a real shame after such a great season. Raiders were fun to watch this year.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

McGloin and Cook were off on their passes all night. The one by McGloin to wide open Cooper was just embarrassing. They were both constantly throwing behind WRs, etc. Practice is one thing, the speed of the game is another. I expected to see some of that against the Doncos, but the entire game it didn't get any better. Then Cook became Cook and overtly overthrew a wide open Crabtree to be picked, as the Raiders were driving. I don't know if it was just rust, or being hit dirty on 3 plays that knocked McGloin out of his rhythm; but he wasn't good.

McGloin didn't seem to recognize defensive coverages and match up advantages, and when he did, he couldn't connect. I'm fine with Cook taking the start in Houston on Saturday, but he needs to control his emotions so he can control his passes. I'm also fine with giving McGloin another chance if he is healthy. Not sure he will be though. Hopefully DC will be on the sideline too and give our morale a boost.

Our offensive line had a lot of false starts, which is expected, because of a new signal caller. But seriously, how hard is it to watch the ball? When Donald Penn went down, I was holding my breath. That was the worst, but glad he was ok and finished the game. Anyone know the status of Osemele? He was being looked at toward the end of the game and I don't know if he came back on the field or not.

The Doncos further proved why I despise them so much. Talib and their defense have to be the dirtiest team in the League. If they are not, then they and the Seahawks are tied for first in that area. Talib was trying to get Crabtree to respond all night, and the refs let him do it. Crab is the man for not retaliating, I'm not sure I could have kept my head with that fool. I've spent too much time talking about those fools.

As for Saturday, the Texans have the #1 defense in the League in Yards/game. They are #12 in rushing yards given up, and #2 in passing yards given up. Not going to be an easy game, but it is a winnable game. I would grade our offense on the same level without Carr at the helm, and that may be our Achilles heel. We have to rely on our defense and solid running attack if we are going to make it to the Super Bowl.

Whatever happens from here on out though, I am so proud of our team. This is what I've expected every year, and finally we have it. We came so close with Hue, but this was a HUGE step in the right direction. I think we have some holes to fill this offseason, mainly in the secondary. I loved how Trawick played on Sunday though, and am not sure why he hasn't been in there. Hopefully that will change. Sean Smith is a better CB than what he has played this season. I think he is not used to man coverage and is more of a zone guy, and I'm not sure he is a good fit for our scheme. I wouldn't be sad if we let him go and went after a FA or drafted a younger guy. DT and NT are definitely concerns. Jelly is doing a good job but needs help. We need someone in these positions who will bring pressure on the QB, and help alleviate the double teams off Mack and Irvin. We should also draft a strong MILB in the first 2 rounds that is going to have an impact from the start.

Our free agent list:
McGloin, Latavius Murray, Andre Holmes, Seth Roberts (ERFA), Gabe Holmes (ERFA), Mychal Rivera, Matt McCants, Menelik Watson, Denico Autry (RFA), Stacy McGee, Darren Bates, Malcolm Smith, DJ Hayden, SaQwan Edwards (ERFA), Nate Allen, Brynden Trawick, and Jon Condo. (EFRA=Exlcusive Rights FA)

Out of this list I think Rivera, Roberts, Condo, and Trawick should be signed. I wouldn't be upset if Murray was signed, but I really like Jalen Richard and DeAndre Washington; both have more explosiveness when they run. Menelik Watson I'm not sold on, and I'm not sold on Malcolm Smith either. Stacy McGee is a maybe as well.

Whatever happens, I'm glad to know that the Raiders will continue to build for the next steps and maintain the goal of hoisting a Lombardi soon. JUST WIN, BABY!

8:00 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

The Las Vegas Raiders, coming soon to a city near you

9:11 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, the Texans #12 run defense will look like #1 if the Raiders can't produce in the passing game. In which case, Saturday's game will just be more of the same.

This week is going to take a complete effort by players and coaches... which was sorely lacking on Sunday.

In terms of FAs, I tend to agree with your assessment. IMO, only Condo is critical, and certainly Denico Autry would be a welcome re-signing. McGloin is done, even if he miraculously wins a SB... in which case someone will pay him starter money. It's more likely that his stock will continue to drop.

10:52 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It looks as though Cook will be our starter. I'm fine with that. Again, I think he will do better if DC is able to be on the sideline to help him. My fingers are crossed. My hope is the Raiders step up big time. Nobody is expecting them to win now, especially after how we lost to Denver. I'm fine with that perspective too. I just hope it puts a big ugly chip on their shoulder to come out swinging on Saturday. No excuses though. JUST WIN, BABY!

11:07 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Cook is the first-ever Rookie (or first-time starter) to start a playoff game. That pretty much sums it up. He is way over his head; basically, a deer caught in the headlights. IMO, Raiders will be lucky to score at all against the Texans top rated D.

Unfortunately, there's very little hope for the Raiders this Sat. That sucks after what was a tremendous season. In an early postmortem, I'd say it was the defense that really let the Raiders down this year, with Derek Carr (and JDR) winning games despite the D giving up 25 ppg. What happened? They were supposed to be good. If you remove Mack and Irving, what's left?

In the season game against Houston, DC was 21-31 (67.7%) and 3 TDs. Meanwhile, Murray had 33 yards rushing on 12 carries, while Richard had 2 yards on 3 carries. So, basically, it's up to Cook to carry the team, in place of Carr.

On the other side, Brock Osweiler was an efficient 67% passing with one TD and Miller ran for over 100 yards w/4.3 avg. Osweiler carried twice for almost 20 yards, so he's a threat too.

Texans D is so good up front (e.g., Vince Wolfork), they don't need to stack the box. They can be creative with blitz packages and zone D to try and disrupt Cook and make opportunities. Cook was sacked twice last week, and fumbled both times.

IMO, the Raiders need to do something different. They are not good enough w/o Carr to just challenge the Texans mano a mano. They will need to be creative on offense and extremely discipline yet aggressive on defense. This is their only hope... as minute as it is.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ny, Raaaaaaaaiders have a decent chance to win. It will take a super star game from Mack and the o-line playing really well. On offense Raiders are much more talented at the skill positions. Osweieler sucks. Mack is the best player on the field for both teams. A win Saturday is a very successful season.

Regards Sandy

5:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy - I wish I could share your optimism about the game. Raiders showed us last week what they have without Carr.

But they did have a great season which, unfortunately, came crashing down when Carr broke his leg.

Root 'em in, and have a nice weekend!

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


More great news...LT, Donald Penn,(knee,) out for playoff game vs Texans.

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