Monday, December 30, 2013

One Postgame (and Postseason) Take

Well, what can you say...

Until John Fox pulled Peyton and started pumping the brakes, it was one of the most pitiful halves in Raiders history. After 30 minutes, Manning was on pace for eight touchdowns and 530 yards, aided not only by a biblically overmatched defense, but also by a pea-shooting offense that could barely scrape up a first down to keep the Broncos off the field.

Mercifully, the season is over, and we are no longer obligated to watch bad football. Now the so-called "reconstruction" begins.

If you want to read a lengthy and informed take on what Reggie McKenzie was up against, check out this piece by a former agent on CBS Sports, which details the epic hole that the Raiders had dug for themselves before Reggie arrived. 

I've been saying that a franchise quarterback is priority number one, and I stand firm in that take. Here's a nugget from the aforementioned article that provides ample food for quarterback thought as it relates to the Raiders and this pivotal "year three" for Reggie and Co.:

The Indianapolis Colts raised the bar on rebuilding by going from a 2-14 record in 2011 to the playoffs in 2012 after a roster purge similar to Oakland's. Indianapolis had a league-high $38.79 million of dead money last season (2012). The biggest difference in the two situations is the Colts were able to draft a franchise quarterback, Andrew Luck, in 2012 with the first overall pick while one wasn't available for the Raiders in this year's draft.

Substitute a pick like Jedeveon Clowney or even the most elite established defensive lineman in the NFL today for Andrew Luck and do you think we're having the same conversation about the Colts and their two consecutive playoff berths?

Coach Allen said this after yesterday's drubbing: "I fully believe that I deserve the opportunity to come back here and get a chance to, as we've said, go through the deconstruction phase... I want to be part of the rebuilding phase."

When asked if the team was putting full effort into the game, he said, "There's no question. Listen, when you look at the tape, guys are flying around, all right? We didn't make enough plays. But there's no lack of effort, there's no lack of trying."

Personally, I'm thankful that the conversation will necessarily change in 2014. There will no longer be all of this talk about deconstruction and reconstruction, as if they are two wholly independent processes. There will no longer be any room for excuses about blaming a lack of talent (as opposed to, say, questionable coaching and scheming) for guys "flying around" and missing tackles, missing assignments and missing fundamentals. 

The era of excuses is finally over. Now it's all about Just Win, Baby. The rubber is about to hit the road. It's going to be exciting and telling. We know that it can't get worse. How much better it's going to get, and how quickly, remains to be seen. Grab your popcorn. This is going to an offseason to remember.


Blogger nyraider said...

The deconstruction phase may have been sufficiently bad enough to warrant further review. Seems like we watched the team scratch and claw at the beginning of the season, then slowly decompose as the season progressed. As suggested, with the huge cloud of the past still lingering over the team, it's impossible to tell where the blame stops for the players and starts for the coaches. IMO, that’s the only thing saving Dennis Allen from losing his job.

Otherwise, it really doesn’t matter who was on the 2013 roster, there’s no valid reason for the team (defense in particular) to be so much worse during the last six games of the season than it was in it’s first six games.

Let the excuses fly if you must. For me, I am prepared to put this season aside and go into next year with my reconstruction blinders on, but also fully prepared to pounce on any missteps.

10:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Headlines from Washington:

"As he exits, Shanahan points out he inherited a tough situation"

Really?! Hopefully, those words won't be repeated by Dennis Allen next year.

12:34 PM  
Blogger bazjoz said...

Great description,"biblically overmatched"... sounds truly epic, which unfortunately it was.

All the Raider faithfuls calling for Allen and McKenzie to be fired need to follow that link to CBS Sport; and get an honest evaluation of the clubs last decade That article really should leave no doubt as to how badly this organization needed to be taken apart and rebuilt.

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I don't think Allen is the "fiery guy" the Raiders need right now. I think I can swallow another year of him, after 11 dismal seasons. The one thing I can't swallow is Tarver as DC, especially with so many other coaches who have lost their jobs that are experienced defensive coordinators. Romeo Crennel is the one that comes to mind, Lovie Smith is another, Todd Bowles (who is on the Browns wish list for HC), and Raheem Morris just to name a few!
I think experience (Olsen and Sparano) helped turned the offense from dismal to tolerable. Where we saw HUGE improvements from the O-Line, and even out of an undrafted rookie QB. I think that is what we need defensively and in our HC. Guys with experience that will light a fire under the players. I don't see that in DA, and I especially don't see that in Tarver.
I don't care how bad the situation was they inherited, they brought in the majority of the talent this year, got guys to perform for awhile, and then they petered out. An experienced coach lights a fire under their asses to help them push through, and that did not happen defensively. Our offense, as it was, put our team in position to win 4 of the last 6 games, but our defense couldn't hold.
Time to get experience in the coaching, or this next season isn't going to look much brighter, regardless of who we get player-wise.
Enough excuses, JUST WIN, DAMMIT!

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one thing we can all agree on is the Raiders are going nowhere next year without a real QB. Given their draft position Bridgewater will be long gone. Not sure what options are available unless they break the bank for Cutler, or draft a Manziel perhaps Vick can be a stopgap

6:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Thanks for sharing the link to that article, RT. Puts a lot of our debates over the past 4 months into context.

It is refreshing that from this day forward, the Raiders fans, coaching staff, players, GM, and owner have ZERO excuses.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

May not be excuses, but there are still some tough hills to climb depending on who is signed this off season.

Toughest division in the NFL is another hill.

Thing is, the team is now in a position to compete, all the hold backs of the last regime are done.

I think Reggie is licking his chops after being hamstrung and listening to the media whip the Nation into a hysterical frenzy. This is Reggie's time to prove his LEGACY... starts right now and Reggie isn't going to fail, Raiders are in good hands and the Nation needs to support them.


8:03 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New interview out with Davis via Kawakami, excerpts below. I don't know what to make of the "right now" qualifications:

-Q: Dennis said today that he’d gotten some indications that he’ll be back for 2014. Is that accurate?

-DAVIS: My main thought is that Dennis has a contract that he signed two years ago. He’s fulfilled two years of it and Reggie and I will sit down and talk, but yeah he’s the Raiders head coach right now.

Really, the only people who’ve been replacing Dennis as head coach of the Raiders is the media. Am I correct? I’m still going by what I told you earlier, just let the process play itself out.

I’ll do whatever it takes to make this team better.


-Q: So it sure sounds like Allen will remain your coach.

-DAVIS: He is the coach of the Raiders right now, there’s no question about that.

-Q: Is there a scenario where he isn’t the coach any more?

-DAVIS: There’s always a scenario, you know that. I don’t know, what if John Madden decided he wanted to be a coach again?

9:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

No doubt about MORE tough hills to climb Jones.

Might be a cliché "when the going gets tough, the tough get going" but it sure as hell better ring true with the Raiders management team.

Absolutely no excuses -- significant, tangible improvements in the talent and win/loss column MUST be made in 2014 or DA/RM need to pack their bags.

10:09 PM  
Blogger x said...

I hate to make excuses but that article is so right about the Colts' situation vs the Raiders'.

A lot of it is about luck (pardon the pun) and timing.

How much might fortunes have changed if Andrew Luck was available as the top QB the year the Raiders needed a QB and selected Russell. You can probably say the same for other picks that looked solid but were busts - like Robert Gallery.

Granted, some picks, like DHB, were reaches and I just can't make excuses for, but sometimes this franchise just seems cursed.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Here are some quotes from the T Kawakami interview with Mark that I found interesting RT:
"-Q: Have you talked at all with Jon Gruden, seeing if he’d come back?

-DAVIS: I’ll never talk about what I’m doing in those respects. It’s such a competitive business, there’s no reason anyone should know what I’m thinking until I do it."

"-Q: Have you had your season-wrap conversation with Reggie yet?

-DAVIS: I’ve spoken with Reggie, we’ve talked quite a bit today, just about the process and who he’s been speaking with, the health thing with the players, exit stuff… so that part’s taken care of.

You look around at a lot of these other teams–there were what, five or six coaches released today?

It’s an interesting dynamic when that happens, it’s not just the head coach that goes, at times the coaching staff goes as well. And there are always those opportunities, whether the head coach of the Raiders would see some of the other staffs and see other guys they’re interested in.

It’s a very dynamic process right now. It’s tough, man, because it’s all about families… I’ve always said it’s almost like they’re military army brats…

-Q: Are all of your assistants on one-year deals, are they all set to expire?

-DAVIS: I believe a good amount of them were. Maybe two that were actually signed for two years initially. And those guys are all being … Dennis has to determine what kind of staff he’s going to want.

There’s flexibility; it’s also about people’s lives as well."

The most interesting to me is the quote, "Dennis has to determine what kind of staff he's going to want" in regards to other assistants and coaches who have recently lost their jobs.

I think Mark Davis is indicating that there are going to be assistants let go again. Hopefully on the defensive side, maybe upgrading the offensive side. I also liked this quote when asked if he was talking with Gruden:
"-DAVIS: I’ll never talk about what I’m doing in those respects. It’s such a competitive business, there’s no reason anyone should know what I’m thinking until I do it."
I think he's keeping his options open. Gruden has indicated that he wants to finish out this next year with ESPN, after that, all is fair in love and war.


7:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a good article written by Dan Wilkins explaining the decline in the second half of the season and why reggie and DA should be given one more year. Wish I was computer savy enough to attach the link. It is a good read. After Sunday I thought both should go, but now I think they should get another year. The raiders ended the season much like many of us thought they would start. The reason they started out so well was due to good coaching. The decline in the second half of the season was due to lack of depth and talent. With cap space and draft picks that should change starting next year. Like RT says, no more excuses.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Happy New year!!
May 2014 bring the Raiders and the fans to many more wins!
To all the regulars and every once in a while posters, thanks for making my days just a bit more entertaining with your posts!
I wont agree with everyone of you all the time in the off-season that is upon us, but I will always try to remember that we all want the Raiders to be successful, so I wont take it personal or make it personal if we do disagree.

I think Davis is committed to winning championships in the NFL. I'm bullish on McKenzie. DA is on the hot seat. My theme of the off-season is going to be "upgrade, upgrade, upgrade."


1:10 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Back at ya, SCAR.

There's just something equivocal about Mark Davis's quotes on DA that gives me pause...he's the coach "right now." He said that twice.

If you ask the Patriots if Bill Belichik is their coach for 2014, they don't reply that he's their coach "right now."

I'd say it's 90% certain that DA is coming back, but I wonder if Mark is fishing around right now in the 10% possibility territory (Gruden, Cowher, etc.).

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"I want to be part of the rebuilding phase."
-What the H, E double hockeysticks has Dennis been doing the past 2 years????? There is no accountability here imo.

"But we’ll sit down when this is all said and done, we get a chance to sit down and visit, we’ll discuss in further depth where we go from here, what the direction of the program is, and what we need to do to get to where everybody wants us to be, and that’s a playoff-contending team."
-I don't like how Dennis keeps saying program and not organization. Its too much college mindset and not enough professional football mindset...but that's just me. Oh yeah, EVERYBODY wants to be Championship material Dennis. That's everyone's goal isn't it? Is he afraid to say it? Anyone that gives him a hard time for saying that he WANTS to win championships 1 needs to look in the mirror or 2 should just be more fuel to add to the fire right? So it sounds like Dennis is selling himself or the teams goals short.

"and we’ll have a complement of draft choices to go out and begin to build this football team."
-Again, I understand Dennis and the Raiders have been behind the eight ball, but to say that The Raiders can "begin" to build this football team?? I ask again? what have you been doing these past two years? Not one ounce of building? Nothing to build on from your 1st two years? That sounds like a coaching problem not just a personell problem

"ALLEN: There’s no question it was there. There’s no question. Listen, when you look at the tape, guys are flying around, all right? We didn’t make enough plays. But there’s no lack of effort, there’s no lack of trying."
-Honestly this sounds like sugarcoating by Allen and trying to save his job, not taking accountability for the teams mistakes, which he is charged with correcting as the season plays out(that's what a leader does, you know, the head coach).

I've been a big supporter of DA this season, after this end of season press conference, I'm not so sure...


2:54 PM  
Blogger x said...

OK, Ive seen enough.

Are you watching the Chik-Fil-A bowl?

Raiders must select Johnny Manziel.

Move up to get him if you have to. People were saying Pryor was exciting to watch (errr, they used to say that anyway). Well, his guy's on another level. And he can throw the ball!

He's a leader and a winner. You can see he just has this immense desire to win. Has some of Peyton Manning's qualities in terms of commanding the offense. And his escape-ability is unmatched.

Just hope he's available. So many teams ahead of the Raiders need a QB.

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Allen is a wuss.

Here is an off-beat example of why this guy must go. Two years in a row John Fox went easy on him to avoid some 60 point type score. It was mentioned in numerous articles about how Fox had sympathy for his former assistant and took his foot off the gas.

What is that crap the Raiders are now reduced to sympathy from the hated Broncos. Man, Fox plays him like a little junior

Then post game Allen is embracing Fox like his long lost brother. That kind of crap is not what the Raiders need.

That aint Raider style and makes me sick to my stomach.

How can the Raiders become relevant again with that shit

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where is the fire Dennis. Oh wait does that start in the reconstruction phase also?

9:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

X - Rams reportedly want to trade out of the #2 slot. Expensive but if a franchise QB is available possibly worth it.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Teddy Bridgewater is officially in this year's draft, after indicating he would return for his Sr year, he announced he is coming to NFL.
Trade the #5 to #2 and get Bridgewater!

Manziel is too much of a headcase, he is going to be the next JaMarcus Russell/Tim Tebow. His gambling problems are going to be an issue in the NFL as well. This guy is a spoiled brat. He may be good on the field, but he is nothing but trouble off it. STAY AWAY!

2:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Watch the highlights. Manziel can do it all.

3:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm with you Raider Nate 75. I'm not impressed with Manziel enough to make him the 5th pick in the draft.


3:46 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

My concern with Manziel is durability. Seems like the fleet-footed guys with slighter builds like Vick and RGIII tend to take a beating and get injured in the NFL. Manziel is a helluva playmaker, but keeping him on the field could prove challenging.

5:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I would be inclined to take Jake Matthews (RT) with our 1st pick, a QB in the 2nd or later rounds, allow development, and find a veteran. I wouldn't be opposed to signing Mike Vick for a reasonable 2 year contract.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Raiders can get Bridgewater they should not think twice. All this talk of Reggie and Dennis or any other loser Mark Davis can find to coach/run the team is moot because until the Raiders have a real QB they will suck

RaiderNate were you the guy a couple of blogs back saying Bridgewater should stay in school?

Jake Mathews, have you given up on Watson Reggie's waste of a 2nd rounder last year.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

If it comes down to Bridewater, or Manziel, you've got to take Manziel.

Manziel reminds me of Jim Macmahon.

A little edgy, but a winner.

Bridgewater will be a flop in the NFL. Raiders don't have another 3 yrs to waste with him.

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Manziel learns to avoid hits like Wilson he'll be fine. Early scouting reports say he will give his all on Sundays, but he will do it his way. Sounds like a perfect Raider.

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider00 Bridgewater will be a flop what are you talking about? Compare his arm to Manziel's and its not even close. Bridgewater can throw all the NFL passes, Manziel can not. As has been proven time and time again you got to have a qb who can stand in the pocket and throw the ball down the field. That makes the choice easy

5:32 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


Granted, Bridgewater is a great athlete, with a big arm.

And I know QB's like Flacco, & Big Ben, have won, while some of the mobile throwers, have yet to.

But in the NfL, you've got to have that little something extra.

Manziel will bring that things the Raiders are lacking bigtime.

An edgy, leader, who can win.

A fiery player, who will become the face, of a currently faceless franchise.

Right now, the Raiders are about the blandest team in the league.

They don't hit, they're not mean, or tough. The HC always looks like he's reading a book in his den.

Manziel will change all that. He's a coverboy. A guy the ESPN's, and the sports ill's will want to feature.

He's a bit of Favre/McMahon/Stabler, all rolled into one.

So a big arm, yeah, it sounds good. But didn't Jbusto have the biggest arm ever ?

Ask Joe Montana if he would trade his SB's for Jay Shroeder's powerful arm. I don't think so.

So yeah, Bridgewater wil out do Manziel in the workouts. But I'll bet Manziel will out do every QB from this draft, on the field.

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I am the one who said Bridgewater was leaning toward staying in school, because the time I said that, he had said that himself in interviews. My quote was, "He is more than likely to stay in school."
He fooled everyone, even himself.

Manziel is a fierce leader, true; but he is a gambler on and off the field. He hits the casinos a lot; and his throws he makes in college will not happen in the NFL. This guy is headed for a high ratio of interceptions. He consistently threw into double coverage; chucked the ball on a prayer multiple times; and doesn't have good check downs. He will not be as successful in the NFL with how he currently plays. Yes, he is tough to defend because of his running ability, but his passes will easily be defended. He does not possess enough arm strength to be a terrific passer in this league.

His gambling/casino problems will spell trouble in the NFL as well. What is going to happen when he goes Pete Rose and bets on his own team? The guy is trouble, asking to be overpaid, and will have a difficult time in the NFL. Not worth a first round pick.

I think Jake Matthews is the best bet for our pick. We don't have to use him at OT, neither do we have to use Watson at OT; either one of those guys could be a guard. We need to have some solidarity on our offensive line all around. Matthews helps solidify our line; especially if we sign Veldheer, Oher, and Mack; move Wiz to Guard, and like I said either Matthews or Watson to Guard.

If we do that, I say give McGloin a chance to be our QB with a good offensive line. If Matthews is gone, select Marquis Lee because we need a powerful #1 WR; and Lee is that guy.

Running QBs have won it all in this League too, or have you forgotten John Elway, Steve Young, Steve McNair, Kurt Warner, and Ken Stabler. Sure it's not a big list, but this year Wilson, Kapernick, Luck, and Newton all have a tremendous shot at adding their names to this list. Quite frankly, I think it will be Kapernick. I think the 49ers win the Super Bowl this year against New England.

9:41 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Manziel must have some chops to back up his nickname, "Johnny Football."

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys I live in the south so I have watched Bridgewater since he played for Miami Northwestern. I also get every SEC game so I have seen plenty of Manziel.

Manziel is a great player and might have a fair to good pro career.

However if you look at skill set Bridgewater is much more suited for the NFL. He played in a pro style offense lined up under center and can throw the deep outs and corner routes.

Manziel does not have enough arm strength he plays in a college spread type offense and has shown to have character flaws. He has not show the ability to stand in the pocket and throw down the field and that is prerequisite for success in the NFL.

Bridgewater has performed amazing in big games and is a much better pro prospect. He is also tall enough while Manziel is not. There has been only two successful under 6 foot qbs Brees and Wilson. I see Manziel as more of a Doug Flutie at best

Raider Nate on this one you are coming out of left field if you think Warner was a running QB. Also all the guys you mentioned stand in the pocket and deliver. Steve Young did not have sucess until he refined his pocket passing same as Elway.

Just like the young guns you mentioned for example Kapernick has not been running much this year.

No spread offense has ever won a super bowl period

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys on second thought everything is okay the Raiders just signed Trent Edwards. LOl

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

It appears to whole thing is a moot point.

Bridgewater will probably be the overall #1 pick of Texas.

If Raiders want Manziel, they will have to trade up to #2, because Johnny football will most likely not make it past the Brownies, at #4.

I don't see the Raiders blowing up their whole draft for one guy.

This leaves Raiders in position for either Clowney, or Matthews at #5.

Then maybe taking a QB with the 2nd round pick.

Any good Qb's for the 2nd round ?

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aaron Murray, Mettenberger, Tajh Boyd, McCarron

nothing the screams franchise QB

maybe Hundley will declare and then the Raiders will have a shot at one of the top three. I would rather have Hundley that Manziel who I think has a ceiling like Flutie or Jeff Garcia

7:58 PM  
Blogger x said...

Yeah, probably a moot point unfortunately. Too bad Raiders didn't have these options when Jamarcus was picked.

I'm telling ya....cursed.

I love Matthews but don't think an tackle that high is the right choice. Actually would be a poor choice for this team. Raiders need a game-changer. Someone who can disrupt on D or make a big play on O or D. Clowney is one of those guys.

I think that with Veldheer and hopefully the emergence of Watson, it's not a huge need. Even Pashos and Barnes were decent this year. Most of the sacks, in my opinion, came from Pryor imagining pressure and not braving the pocket. Plus,very good and experienced OLs can be acquired in free agency and Raiders have the money to spend.

8:02 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I disagree X. Matthews is about as 'blue chip' as they come. I firmly believe that the Raiders need to build from the inside, out. Acquiring a center in free agency, sliding Wiz to guard, and having Watson as the backup to both Matthews and Veldheer would provide a platform for long term, sustainable success on offense.

Veldheer-Barnes-FA-Wiz-Matthews would be a formidable OL group. Pashos is serviceable and Watson still relatively raw. Matthews could be a 10+ year foundational guy. Upgrading the talent level, competition, and depth on the OLine shouldn't be discounted.

8:51 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I don't see the reasoning behind spending a high 1st RD pick and a high 2nd RD/Watson pick on RT's. Watson /Pashos/Barnes....along with a good FA if available. No way you use the 1st RD pick on a RT, no way.


9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with ya Jones, if there is not a franchise QB available they need to go defense. Hopefully Clowney

5:21 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders cut Trent Edwards before, so bringing him back has a feel to it like re-signing Greg Knapp.

Perhaps Edwards was signed to mentor the young QBs.

Regardless, it's time for the current regime to set aside their mentality of low-cost, second tier talent and start thinking how they can improve this team.

6:33 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Anon, I live in Austin, so I hear a lot about Manziel's off-field problems and gambling issues. Not worth the pick to me. Not sure if any team in the NFL considers him a high pick.

I don't think Matthews is a burning need, but he is athletic and a powerhouse. If he strengthens our O-line, then I pick him. The only way I don't pick him there is if we sign Michael Oher and Veldheer. Shift Watson to Guard, and Wiz to Guard, and sign Mack to be our Center. If we don't sign Oher, then we pick Matthews.

If we do sign Oher, then we have a choice, Clowney or another much needed offensive weapon Marquis Lee. Tough choice there.

Depending on who coaches the Texans, I think they take Bridgewater. McNair is the type of owner that doesn't want "risk" players. He wants stability, so I think they go with Bridgewater with the first pick.

This is where it gets choppy. If the Rams keep the 2nd pick, they get Matthews. You could see the Vikings trade to move here and select Manziel. This is a game changing spot here. Rams have made it clear they are willing to trade out, so we will see what happens.

Jacksonville takes Manziel if he's there. If not, Blake Bortles.

Cleveland, depending on what happens at #2. If the Vikings take the spot and select Manziel, then the Browns take Matthews. If the Rams keep the spot, then they take Bortles because the Jags take Manziel. All depending on what happens at #2.

Raiders: I love Matthews. I think he is the one that is going to pan out and be worth the money. I'd be shocked if he was here for us. Clowney or Marquis Lee is the choice here. Both are game changers. My concern about Clowney is two-fold: Off-field issues, and his work ethic. He already has a reputation of not putting in the work and relies on natural ability. That won't fly in the NFL like it did for him in HS and College.
Lee on the other hand is probably the most talented WR coming out of College since Megatron. I would love to pick him here.

8:46 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY, the REAL FA's aren't available yet....weren't you saying that Reggie should be raiding practice Squads for players?

These guys are camp fillers. Reggie will get quality FA's when they are available, he also said he will not break the bank on just 1 or 2 signings.


11:01 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - I remain hopeful. I can't believe for a second that McKenzie and Allen would pin the hopes of the Raiders on the arm of Trent Edwards.

I think free agency starts in March. The only players available to the Raiders right now are players on their roster (including soon to be FAs) and 2013 FAs that have no NFL home... like Edwards.

Speaking of Practice Squad players, I question why the Raiders didn't have Wilson on their active roster (during a period of meaningless games), and instead allowed TN to sign him. I think Wilson was the highest 2012 draft pick not protected (retained) by his team.

It will certainly be interesting to see how these QB decisions by the Raiders start to reveal results within the org and for other teams.

1:25 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sorry, that should read Wilson was a 2013 draft pick.

1:26 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The first round is where you make hay with a QB. It's proven.

Every blue moon you get a Romo or Brady.

The second and third rounds got a boost with Russell Wilson, Nick Foles and Colin K. recently.

But if you look at the perennial Super Bowl and playoff contenders of late, you've got Peyton, Eli, Rodgers, Big Ben, Flacco, Luck, Brees (although he was late first round) and now Newton. You might throw Cutler and Rivers in that class, too. Palmer, Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford have proven to be capable longtime starters as well. All are first rounders.

Simply put, the vast majority of franchise quarterbacks are found in the first round.

Not all first round QBs are franchise QBs, but most franchise QBs are first rounders.

Food for thought.

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider Nate 75

Do you think Bortles is worth a high first rounder. I am in south florida so I have seen a lot of him as well. I am not sold. What are your thoughts.

BTW I love Austin great town, great food and music

Raider Take I agree the 1st round is where the qb talent is. Unfortunately as Raider Nate said 5th position wont get us Bridgewater maybe not even Manziel who I don't think is franchise material and Carr and Bortles dont do it for me

How the hell are the Raiders going to find a QB? Vick maybe the best option---oh well

3:47 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Yeah, finding the right first rounder is easier said than done. There are people making big bucks who are paid to get it right, and that includes Reggie. IF he is certain on a particular QB, I say trade up.

Do you know how many draft picks the Raiders have reached on or wasted over the past 10 years? So I don't have a problem with sacrificing a few in the name of getting one targeted QB. One franchise QB is worth more than Huff, DHB, McLain, Russell and many more combined.

Go big and get it right. The allowance for getting it wrong has expired.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


I agree with you.

How the hell do Raiders feel better off signing much traveled, he is what he is, QB, Trent Edwards.

While cutting 4th round pick, given no chance to develop, Tyler Wilson.

Do they even know what they're doing ??


You keep warning of Manziels off field problems.

At same time, you suggest signing Vick, and in the past, Vince Young.

What, these guys don't have problems ?

5:06 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The 'Franchise' might not come this offseason....this offseason could be the build up of everything else, being prepped for that special QB. Anyone know what the draft looks like next year for QB's? Will they make a run for Bridgewater?


5:34 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR - Vick's dog fighting episode happened 7 years ago. He paid for his mistake. Don't know of any problems since. He clearly has matured as a professional and man since 2007. As far as his skill set, experience, knowledge, the Raiders would be hard pressed to find another better QB in the current market.

8:04 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Keep the team as is until they learn to play again. In the meantime, refund the ticketholers as a sincere apology, in hopes of return customers. Epic FAIL. 2016. Cya in September.

11:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bucs hired Lovie Smith as HC, and he's already named Jeff Tedford as OC and reportedly secured Leslie Frazier as DC.

That's a respectable grouping of experienced coaching.

Gotta give the Bucs credit; they don't skimp when it comes to hiring coaches.

12:42 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Again, the Raiders were in a much different situation. What coach, with a name, would have come into what Allen And Reggie have? I don't think there were many coaches with a name who wanted a chance of tarnishing their name by coming into the situation that was.

A no win situation as you can see by the Raider Nation blaming everyone but the situation. Investing 2 years into Allen under extreme circumstances, gets him ready for what is coming. Reggie has a plan and Allen is still part of it. Once the Raiders have established stability and the ability to win, then the RAIDERS can look at a NAME. Until then, it will be a young guy who has to work into it. That's how far gone this franchise WAS, it's getting closer though.


10:19 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raider00, I never pulled for bringing in Vick. Don't think he's a good QB, nor is he worth the investment.

VY, the only knock about him comes from Fisher; and that is he is lazy and has no work ethic. But he is the only FA QB with a winning record. He could be signed for vet minimum, which would be worth the risk. He showed in his time with GB before he got cut that he is willing to put in the work. Plus, he doesn't have a gambling problem like the degenerate Manziel has shown.

Anon, I'm not saying Bortles is worth the 1st rounder either. I am saying if I had to choose, I would pick him over Manziel. The QB coming out that I really like though, and is not getting a lot of attention is Marcus Mariota out of Oregon. He has a strong arm, and good pocket awareness out of any of these QBs.

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider Nate I dont believe Mariota has declared and from what I heard he is leaning towards coming back. I hope he does becasue is the only other franchise QB besides Bridgewater in cfb. I would be very happy if the Raiders ended up with Mariota or Bridgewater

6:32 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New take is up, It's All About The QB.

5:19 PM  

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