Monday, December 03, 2012

One Postgame Take

The Raiders were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention on Sunday.

Little did we know it back in September, but they were essentially eliminated out of the gates this year, fielding a dog of a team that almost seems willfully awful at times.

Consider the case of Denarius Moore. Last year, Moore looked like an up-and-comer, with Spider Man fingertips. Yesterday, he got benched.

Here's what Allen said of Moore's benching: "It wasn’t from a lack of effort, but we’ve got to make plays when we’ve got an opportunity...Denarius had a couple of opportunities to make plays and wasn't able to make them. We decided to play some of those younger players and see what they can do."

How does a player get appreciably worse at something that's fairly instinctive, such as catching the ball? I mean, you run your route, you get open, the ball is right there...At that point, you either catch and secure the ball, or you don't.

I'm not blaming Moore for the fate of our team. I'm just saying he is emblematic of this head-scratching (and in some cases, sudden) inability of our players to play fundamentally sound football.

Meanwhile, our defense is handing out personal milestones like Christmas candy this year. Yesterday, rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden passed for a career-high 364 yards.

It has been pointed out that this is largely the same roster that laid a big egg last year, going 1-4 down the stretch with a playoff berth down the line.

So we know that this is not a good roster with a big heart.

There has been much debate here over whether or not Allen and Co. should nevertheless be getting more out of this bad roster that lacks heart.

I believe they should, but that's easy for me to say.

Unless something changes immediately starting Thursday night, I foresee a big game of chicken coming our way. It will be Management vs. The Roster, and management will driving a tank. 

Allen is McKenzie's pick, and McKenzie is Mark Davis's pick. The only way they can absolve themselves of this mess of a season is to nuke the roster, right?

There's no way they're going to risk their professional fate and credibility by fielding anything that looks remotely like this current team. It is in their vested interest to essentially proclaim, "It's not us, it's the players and the culture, and we're going to change the latter by eliminating the former."

The organization has been careful to sidestep talk of "rebuilding." But you can bet your bottom dollar that this house is going to be torn down to its studs this offseason.

37 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

Well said, RT. It really doesn't matter who's to blame, it's up to McKenzie and Allen to find the solutions.

My ever-lowering expectation of this season is simply to see more players in games that might not otherwise have played but should now get that opportunity as the elevation process moves forward.

Streeter stepped up Sunday and should replace Moore as starter, IMO.

9:33 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sorry, "EVALUATION" not elevation!

At this point, I'm not sure I want to presume the Raiders will elevate.

9:36 AM  
Blogger H said...

Quick drive-by observation.

Ok, five losses in a row. We suck. But, the greater question is, can we finally conclude Darren McFadden ain’t cutting it. He can’t stay off the injured list. One thing is certain, Reggie McKenzie made the wrong decision letting Michael Bush go in favor of McFadden. Bush has almost as many yards, a better yards per carry average and more touchdowns as a backup this year than McFadden as a starter.

Say what you want, but I’ll take 3.8 yards per carry and 75 yards per game for 15-16 games over 5.5 and 95 for eight games. I didn’t want McFadden in the first place. Maybe we can get a fourth round pick for him, that’s about the best anyone will offer based on his history. Maybe not even that much. Actually, this may be the last year of his contract which would make trading him a moot point.

I see though, he is expected to play Thursday. I predict he will stub his toe on the bench sometime in the first quarter and spend the rest of the game in the locker room. Cynical I realize, but that’s his history.

H

10:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

“Little did we know it back in September, but they were essentially eliminated out of the gates this year, fielding a dog of a team that almost seems willfully awful at times.”

Sorry, RT but I said the Raiders would win no more than six or seven this year back in the off season. It appears that I was overly optimistic. I think right now that they are done for the year, and I doubt that they will even beat KC.

“Here's what Allen said of Moore's benching: ‘It wasn’t from a lack of effort…’” I was at the game and watched Moore in the end zone simply watch the ball fall form the sky across his left shoulder to his right foot. It was from a lack of effort.

Combined with what is going on with McClain and a few other indications, I believe that shows that Allen has lost the team. Jones said that Jackson lost the team last year. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The team was on the verge of a playoff spot up until the last game of the season (in spite of the adversity) – a position that the team hadn’t seen in 9 years. It makes perfect sense that Jackson lost the team. Of course JONES has been wrong in EVERY prediction he made for 2012. On the other hand, I’m batting 1.000 with the exception of the prediction of 6 wins. It looks like it will only be 3. JONES is going to spend the next two years doubling down on “It’s all Al’s fault.”

“It has been pointed out that this is largely the same roster that laid a big egg last year, going 1-4 down the stretch with a playoff berth down the line.” I don’t know who the idiot is who keeps “pointing” this out, but it smacks reality in the face. We have 27 new players on a 53 man roster. That’s more than half the team, for crying out loud. I wouldn’t have believed you could do that in a single off season, but McKenzie found a way. However, the position players who routinely spend a good portion of the season on the injury list are still here (as well as a couple of new ones added by McKenzie). In fact, RT, you fail to note that one of those McKenzie players (who spent a lot of time on the injury list) was also benched yesterday for lack of effort.

But if it makes you feel better, keep going with that fantasy that McKenzie has only made a few changes so he could see what he had. The reality is the opposite. McKenzie has made massive changes. That’s okay. McKenzie said he was going to make massive changes. But you can’t make that many changes all at once without having a detrimental effect over the organization and the team in the short term. That’s one of the many reasons that caused me to predict “6 or 7” games. It appears that I over estimated McKenzie and Allen.

It is also devastating that Allen has been as bad as he’s been. If he’s lost the team, McKenzie can’t keep him. And I still believe that one of the most devastating problems with this team over the last 10 years has been the short tenure of HCs. This offseason, McKenzie is going to find himself between a rock and a hard place and, without success, could find himself out the door after 2013.

2012, as much as he may want to run away from it (but I don’t believe he does), belongs to him. From my current view, I give McKenzie a D for his first season. I may change my opinion of that if there is rapid upward progress over the next couple of seasons. As for McKenzie’s first ever selection of an HC, I think that he whiffed. I may change that opinion over the next couple of years also, if Allen retains his job and the mobility is upward.

10:48 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Good to hear from you, H.

10:49 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

guys, i still believe allen can be a good coach. it's his fisrt year head coaching at any level so he needs to be cut a break. what if we cut him, then he succeeds somewhere else with playoff appearances and/or a superbowl victory then what? another woulda/coulda/shoulda situation. this roster needs to be purged and that's that! it will take YEARS to build a real football team. mark davis certainly knows that. reggie knows that. he had to keep most of these guys intact this year to see what he had. now that he has, he knows who to keep and who to let go of. anyway, i think allen should stay. if not, i would like to start here by campaigning for david shaw of stanford. the guy they SHOULD HAVE hired. the coordinators are a different story. they do need to be closely looked at. i cannot beleive mcclain was such an immense failure. that's another wise al move that'll join mr. purple drank in the unemployment line!

11:29 AM  
Blogger Stuporburg said...

At this rate, it would be rather difficult not to 'nuke' this team. As already been mentioned, our 1st round draft picks have been spectacularly unsuccessful, but this goes well beyond JaMarcus Russell. The Raiders have not gotten that much out of McClain and McFadden beyond flashes of potential. In case of DMac, his history of injuries has made an ex-Raider Bush look like a stud, even though Bush was only a banged-up 4th rounder.

Basically, Reggie and Allen have very little tools to work with. If they have lost the team, could it be that most of the roster realizes that they will not be around after this season?

12:18 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Honestly, the "I told you so's" are worthless until we know the solution.

Regarding the 27 players different on the roster in 2012, a good point was made that these changes came despite few draft picks and very limited cap space. Under normal circumstances, that might have been 27 different players than were actually signed, including some high draft picks.

Nobody gets a pass here until the problems are figured out. Right now, there's no proof of anything except, of course, the Raiders suck.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Balanda, toot your own horn much?

I thought these guys were real football players, they have been exposed as athletes in football pads. Did you see Mr.Davis' players screwing up all over the field? Do you know the team last year, that was on the "cusp of greatness", was 8-8? In the weakest Div? Lost out to a team lead by Tebow? That is the cusp of greatness?

You do know that the core of the team is still Mr.Davis players? Those players are the same ones that Hue said they need an attitude adjustment?

McKenzie made changes mostly because he had to get under the cap. He paid for players that he had to take a chance with, all he could afford and who were available at that time.

Acting like Mr.Davis has nothing to do with the product today = DENIAL, you'll never admit it and you will always attack those who point it out. You try and be a bully and the "all knowing", but you are a poser, hence your "I'm so great" post.

JONES

12:35 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"could it be that most of the roster realizes that they will not be around after this season?"....

Bingo and they have mentally tuned out. They know it, the coaches know it and Reggie said it in his last 'state of address', that plenty of changes will come.

JONES

12:37 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H...hope all is well.

Bush, I was watching some of the game Bears vs Shithawks. Bush ain't all that, he walked into the line on a 4th down and inches, came up short. The announcers wondered how a guy at 245 could not get any push to pick up a few inches.

Another play, 3rd down, Cutler swings a pass to him in the flat, running room is there for the 1st down, guess what he did. He walked off the field, shoulders slouched and looked like a Raider that is all to familiar to us.

McFadden is glass and he has that old culture in him, he is NOT the answer, Stewart looks much better in his role. Bush would not be the answer either, I bet the Bears cut his ass after this year.

JONES

12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could agree with keeping Allen for another season if only he showed me something. I honestly don't see anything in him that says we should give him another chance. I get no sense of leadership, no diamond in the rough, nothing. I don't even get that "minty fresh" feeling thinking about next year. At this point play everyone that's been on the bench and see what they have to offer. If anything other than a warm body or a weight to hold the bench down. Roster spots are too precious in this league to be taken up by guys we either won't play, don't play, or don't think can play. If they're going to be on this roster they better be able to contribute.

1:01 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

“Honestly, the ‘I told you so's’ are worthless until we know the solution.”

Well, here’s my shot. It’s more than you’ll get from anyone else.

Part One

McKenzie’s toughest decision is going to be what to do with Allen. If Allen has lost the team, the only way to keep Allen is to, in fact, completely change over the 53 man roster (I don’t think that’s possible) and wait 5 years for them to learn to play together. I’m really glad I don’t have to make the decision, because things are going to be almost impossible for the next couple years (at least) no matter which way you go.

I will say that McKenzie turned over more than half of the roster this season. I’ve never seen that before, anywhere, except college teams. However, the results weren’t very good.

I’ve said many times in the past that Davis had the rebuilding project for the offense nearly complete. But that was for Jackson's system, not Knapp’s. The reason the right players are critical in modern football is because the age of specialization has never been more intense. It’s not enough to learn the ZBS in the offseason. You must be well practiced at it. You must be the “cock of the walk” in the ZBS. But with the exception of one, we have a line of power blockers. That’s why the Raiders were wise to dump the ZBS a couple of seasons ago. Last year the line was excellent until depleted by injuries in the second half of the season. In fact, last season many prognosticators said we had one of the best offensive lines in the league.

All of that said, putting the issue of Allen aside, we at least have to either dump Knapp or replace the O-line. It’s frankly easier to replace Knapp, replace the ZBS coaches with power blocking coaches, and bring back the Wiz who I’ve felt may be a great O-line coach in the making. McFadden will shine in the power blocking/deep strike system where he becomes both decoy and weapon. However, he’s still got the injury problem. My solution would be to keep McFadden for the final year of his contract, pick up an excellent runner in FA, and tell McFadden that if he doesn’t start 13 games he will not be resigned. If that’s not acceptable right now for him, we should trade him to some NFC team on the way down. Don’t give him the chance to seek revenge on us by joining a division rival.

The Raiders should bring in a veteran leader at WR. With those changes, I believe the Raiders would be back in a top ten offense.

3:13 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Part Two

Then, however, there is what to do about the defense. The first thing we need to do is decide on a defensive scheme. It’s stupid to say, “We do a little bit of everything!” That’s what the Raiders said at the start of this season and they delivered a little bit of nothing. You don’t look for new wrinkles until you’ve established a base that you do well. The problem with this defense is the same as it has been for the last five or six years – maybe longer. They aren’t disciplined enough to cover their assigned gaps. Allen seems like he’s trying to address that problem, but he’s failing. Why is he failing? He has had less success in doing this than the prior two rookie HCs.

The talent level on our defense looks to be horrific because of that lack of discipline, but it’s a problem even with the players we look on as good. I’ve always felt our DL was over rated. We have one good LB and one in development. As for our CBs, we’re in trouble. I have no idea why Kelley is still here. Seymour has become like Sapp. He’s all reputation, but doesn’t really upgrade the team.

Here’s what I’d do. I’d move Huff to CB. I’d move Branch to FS. I’d move Mitchell to SS. Getting rid of Knapp would allow me to avoid looking for a new O-line so I could focus my resources on defense. We need an excellent FA corner and need to find a very promising one in the draft. We need two well-regarded LBs from FA. And, I hate to say this, but we need to find two DTs who don’t think of themselves as pass rushing specialists but “run stoppers.” We might be able to pick up at least one in the draft in the middle rounds if McKenzie has REALLY improved the scouting department.

It might be that Buris is a capable MLB. We need to find that out. I’d like to see if Wheeler can play the middle. I applaud McKenzie for the Wheeler acquisition. Beyond that, I’d look to trade both Kelley and McFadden for draft choices. If we can at least get fourth round picks for them, we can use them to trade up to the second and third rounds.

If we can accomplish all of that, we will still be at the mercy of injuries for lack of depth. But it’s a start. With a good training staff helping us avoid injuries, we could get lucky and go to the playoffs. If the injuries hit us for the next couple of years, we’ll stay home for Christmas. But it’s going to probably take about two years to completely rebuild the defensive side of the ball (and then they have to learn to play together.) And the longer that takes, the closer we are to Palmer’s retirement. We need to start warming up his replacement. And if that isn’t Pryor, we need to find out.

That’d be my plan. What’s yours?

3:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jason Tarver. ....

"This is a pretty unique season, both on and off the field, I'll say that," said Tarver. "There's a bunch of adversity and the true character of a man and a coach and whoever is to no matter what the circumstances be a pro and handle your business. But I've been a part of a lot of different situations both in this league and in coaching but there's some unique things that have happened this year."

That is a very telling quote, IMO.

JONES

3:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

All the players you want to replace in your plan, Balanda, are Mr.Davis players. Then you say that the old culture, the core players from the past regime and Mr.Davis are not at fault for the roster today?

Mike Mitchell is a dud, agree that McFadden should be traded for a pick. I think Palmer could easily be traded but there is no way to get back the 1st and 2nd rounders lost by the past regime. The right side of the O-line has to be fixed, a blocking TE is needed BADLY. WR needs upgrade, LG is needed. Houston is the only true starter on the D-line. Burris should be a complimentary LB, he is being asked to be the leader and he isn't ready. Wheeler started off fast, tailed off lately, LB is a big need. 2 good Corners and another 2 safeties are needed.....it's going to take a while.


Picking McClain, Russell and trading away to top 1st round picks for old used up blood, is killing the team. The 'entitlement' attitude of the mediocre players are killing the team. The non football IQ's are killing the team.....they aren't a team, they a fragmented into those who want a team and those who just want for themselves. Yes this is the mess that was left for the new regime.

JONES

3:29 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"It’s stupid to say, “We do a little bit of everything!” That’s what the Raiders said at the start of this season and they delivered a little bit of nothing. You don’t look for new wrinkles until you’ve established a base that you do well. The problem with this defense is the same as it has been for the last five or six years – maybe longer. They aren’t disciplined enough to cover their assigned gaps. Allen seems like he’s trying to address that problem, but he’s failing. Why is he failing? He has had less success in doing this than the prior two rookie HCs.".....

Balanda, this quote is very Gary like.

You say the talent sucks, then you wonder "Why is he (Allen) failing?".... Really? How could he succeed? Tell the world, Balanda, what would you do to succeed?

Don't say "You don’t look for new wrinkles until you’ve established a base that you do well"....because these guys don't do anything well and you know it. How does the coach make water into wine with no grapes?

JONES

3:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

JONES, I think I’ve said very plainly, for the past several years, that we were lacking talent on the Defensive side of the ball. Where have you been? Your anti-Davis fantasies are taking over your life. I’ve also said that Davis making every draft pick is a myth. Every coach and Davis himself has always said that Davis only had the final say (just like every owner-but Davis exercised more than most). He expected every coach to make their selections and express to Davis why they thought the pick was necessary. But I never claimed it was impossible for Davis to ever make a mistake.

“I think Palmer could easily be traded…” What! Right now Palmer is the best thing we have going, and the least available to replace him with. And the trade for Palmer was absolutely necessary. The proof was one half game of Kyle Boller football.

I agree with you regarding Houston but little else. I’ll tell you what. Be right one time, then come back and argue with me again.

3:47 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Say what you want, but I’ll take 3.8 yards per carry and 75 yards per game for 15-16 games over 5.5 and 95 for eight games. I didn’t want McFadden in the first place. Maybe we can get a fourth round pick for him, that’s about the best anyone will offer based on his history. Maybe not even that much. Actually, this may be the last year of his contract which would make trading him a moot point.

>>>>>


I didn't want McFadden either, but trading him for a fourth rounder is beyond stupid... maybe a first rounder, and he has 4 games to still prove something this year to make it happen. He WAS leading the league in rushing one year before injury... not many players can say that.

And Bush is not any better than Reece, or even Stewart, IMO. Both are averaging more YPC than Bush... and lets not forget the horrible line we have as opposed to Chicago.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago's line nearly gets Jay Cutler killed every year. Otherwise good point.

3:58 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I don't have time to read or respond to anything else, but the rumors are starting to seep out about Allen... and none of it is good.

He didn't even bother to tell the team he had to leave to be with his father before leaving. Why wouldn't he? It would seem like a great team-building experience for everyone... "Hey, you guys have to have my back here."

I dunno... this just doesn't FEEL like a Gruden-like hire.

Allen may know football, but its more important to know PEOPLE first.

I think Gruden was great with people. Its why they played so hard for him.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago's line nearly gets Jay Cutler killed every year. Otherwise good point.
>>>>


Umm.. ok, but have you watched the Raiders? I admit I haven't the Bears... so I just assumed it had to be better.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

BTW, McF is under contract for one more year.

4:04 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Balanda = Mr.Davis apologist, don't care what you do or want, Balanda...you are a clown, end of story.

JONES

4:09 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The players have Allen's back? That's a joke, right? Allen probably didn't want anymore distractions or he thinks the players have turned their backs on him so why bother?

JONES

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-Gary

Yep, saw the 3 wins and the 9 losses and still watched some more football. The Bears and the Steelers have been darn near criminally negligent in fielding good lines. How Big Ben stays on his feet as long as he does is a testament to him, his line is crap.

As far as McFadden goes he will be the ultimate tease, but he has yet to start a full season(5 seasons). I'll take a good O-line and a reliable and consistent RB over an exciting McF type at this point. Everyone remembers that run for a TD against Pittsburgh, but does anyone remember the game after that? I think we can win plenty of games if we can get minimum 75yds rush, 30-45yds rec and a TD out of the RB position. A good OC could mix and match it up enough with the pass and ground game to keep us competitive every week. Obviously I don't feel Knapp fits the bill. I take it that you were not entertained this season?

4:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I believe McFadden is probably worth a 2nd round pick, and perhaps another late rounder.

And I wouldn't trade up in the draft, I'd trade down for more picks. Right now, the Raiders need bodies. The talent pool in college is pretty vast, so there are good players to be had, e.g., Streeter was an undrafted FA.

In terms of the O-line, if the Raiders could find a C, they could move Wiz back to guard. That still leaves the entire right side to figure out.

Moore looked like a player last year, but was deservedly benched Sunday. I think DHB was benched too. DHB dropped an easy (should have been automatic) third down pass. That just can't happen.

The defense is a complete mess. Mitchell is not a starter. This kid was a huge reach in the 2nd round.

McKenzie and Allen have their hands full.

Personally, I don't like what I've seen from the players or the coaches this year. However, I believe McKenzie and Allen deserve at least one more season. Tarver and Knapp could be at risk for leading units that grossly underperformed... and for which they deserve at least some of the blame.

At this point, the Raiders will have to claw their way back to 8-8 before making a run for the playoffs.

It’s really unimaginable that the Raiders have spent the last 10 years doing this and presently find themselves as bad as they've been at any point during that time.

5:01 PM  
Blogger x said...

The Tarver quotes that Jones posted really raise a concern.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to McClain, who's as good as gone. Hopefully, they can salvage a pick for him. But it sure sounds like it's more than just one guy.

I thought the character issues were gone, but maybe not? Who else could he be referring to?

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LoL!!!...This:

"BTW, the cap mess, lack of draft picks, and injuries are not excuses but our reality"

This from the same fool that posted all last season that massive injuries causing loss of our players on both sides of the ball was NOT reason for sucking/losing!!!!...Oh!!...But now it's the "Reality" when it's giving a pass to your beloved coaches/management of your "New Era"!!!!

PantyRaider...Just Can't Escape Yourself!!!!//__

5:57 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I don't know if the below list is all of the 27 new additions to the roster but take a look at the list carefully. The vast majority of these players are either bargain basement waiver wire pick-ups, 2nd tier affordable 1 year replacements, late draft picks, undrafted rookies, or in some cases, practice squad players.

Matt Leinart, QB
Mike Goodson, RB
Owen Schmitt, FB
Jeremy Stewart, RB
Duke Calhoun, WR
Juron Criner, WR
Derek Hagan, WR
Rod Streater, WR
Mike Brisiel, OG
Lucas Nix, OG
Alex Parsons, OG
Tony Bergstrom, OT
Willie Smith, OT
Zach Hurd, OG
Andre Carter, DE
Jack Crawford, DE
Dave Tollefson, DE
Christo Bilukidi, DT
Kaelin Burnett, LB
Miles Burris, LB
Keenan Clayton, LB
Omar Gaither, LB
Mario Kurn, LB
Philip Wheeler, LB
Phillip Adams, CB
Ron Bartell, CB
Coye Francies, CB
Joselio Hanson, CB
Brandian Ross, CB
Shawntae Spencer, CB

Yeah, Reggie turned over 1/2 the roster this off-season. Why the drastic change in personnel? No coin and limited draft picks and the obvious need to fill out the 53man roster.

6:58 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Combined with what is going on with McClain and a few other indications, I believe that shows that Allen has lost the team."

Laughable and dubious at best.
Let's look at McClain first. You mean to tell me that DA has 'lost the team' because he (DA) held McClain accountable for his actions and disciplined him.

'other indications' -- yeah, please expand that thought. It is rather vague and unfounded.

7:00 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

Panty, Calico, spot on. DA gets three years minimum. 2016.

7:32 PM  
Blogger OakTown Blues said...

...by the way, this team WILL suck for at least 2 more years, so, enjoy "the game". I refuse to get my Jonesies in a wad. Haha!!! Manning is surprisingly strong, and if you think the Pats are going away soon, you'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself. Oak lost The Loser Bowl Yesterday. They looked like brownies in the bowl. Embarrasing, they can't even tackle anymore. But, they be my Raiders, even though they will suck until, you guessed it, at least 2014. It takes that long. Thankful Reggie started the process. 2 0 1 6 . P e r i o d

7:39 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

X..

You look at Tarver's quote and put it together with McKenzie's quote about "culture" and then throw in what Allen says at every Monday PC = lack of everything....it becomes very clear what the coaches and Management are thinking....the players aren't good enough, McKenzie even said that some guys, you just can't change them.

Yes the "culture" is still there, the players actually believe they run the team, still. And the fans are doing the same thing when they call for the HC's head, just like it has been in Raiderville since Art 1. The players were always excused, the coaches always vilified. Seems to me, the "culture" is in the fanbase too.

JONES

9:32 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"But, they be my Raiders".....

And they be your patriots and they be your chargers and they be whoever the flavor of the day is.

JONES

9:34 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

OTB,

You add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Yes, we all know Manning is an elite QB and the Patriots have been consistently a top team.

Congratulations, Captain Obvious but what's your point? Oh, that's right. You don't have a point. In your case, silence would be golden.

9:50 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New take is up, continue there...

9:56 PM  

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