Sunday, December 23, 2012

Late Panthers Gameday Thread

Three minutes to go in the third quarter...We're closing in on seven consecutive quarters of football without a touchdown against two teams with a combined seven victories (yeah, I know it's Leinart today, but still...). Deep into the third quarter, McFadden has 13 yards on 13 rushes. The possibility of a mere six-win season is slipping away...


Anonymous JONES said...

Raiders should be winning the game. If Palmer is playing, I say they would have a win. Leinart is showing why he will never be a starter.


12:50 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY, I don't care if Newton "started it 1st". Kelly has to show discipline and not react. He once again puts himself before the team. I'm not surprised that you don't know this, NY, even if you ever played peewee sports, you know that you don't put yourself before the team. Seeing as you never played sports, you don't know this basic fact.


1:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - what exactly did you see Kelly do? Nothing?!

You continue to use your false perception that I've never played sports as a crutch for your own stupidity. Give it a rest. Take your want-to-be Internet bully bullshit somewhere else.

1:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The defense played well enough to win this game. Greg Knapp is a terrible OC. How many times did we see a pass go for a loss today? That must of been a record. How many times was McFadden asked to run sideways instead of straight ahead?
I know it's easy to root for the guy on the sideline, but I really believe Pryor is better than Leinart. At least Pryor has the ability to improvise.

I can't see how the Raiders can retain Greg Knapp and expect to win, ever.

2:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

After the 1st offensive series in the 3rd quarter, giving Leinart 1 more chance to show he can lead the team, Pryor should have been given the shot.

This was the type of game where the situation (out of the playoffs, offense sputtering) that was tailor made to give Pryor a chance.

Agree with NY. At least when the play breaks down, Pryor has the ability to improvise and be a threat with both his arm and legs.

Leinart has a pop gun arm, limited mobility, and saw his last days as a Raider.

Defense played very well overall.

2:11 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

MMXVI ! (betcha)

4:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

OTB - It's apparent you are intentionally trying to antagonize folks here. Why? Are you that bored?

I believe you posted that you used to write for S&B. What did you write, a dear abby section?

Tell us what you saw in the game, and/or if you think the coaches, as a group, should be retained. Something!!

4:59 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Antagonization is only in the eyes of the antagonized.

Straight up.

5:40 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY, Kelly reacted towards Newton, that's what got him the flag. Are you so blind you didn't see it? Here is what Kelly, himself, said after the game....from his own words, does it sound like he did nothing in return?

''He kicked me,'' Kelly said. ''I guess he thought I was trying to do something to his leg, but I don't play like that. How are you going to react if someone kicks you? Are you just going to take it?''....yes Tom, for the good of the team, YOU TAKE IT, see how dumb the 'culture' is on this team?


5:43 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Hey NY, you can give it but you can't take it? Why do you keep poking, if you don't want a response?


5:49 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


No point in trying to get a football opinion out of a hollow, empty troll.

For me personally, I was impressed with how the Raiders D handled the Cats' read-option. For the most part, the kept Newton in check. I also liked the aggressive defensive playcalling and general passion of the defenders.

7:25 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

As far as the offense, once Palmer went out of the game, it became conservative, listless, and unimaginative. The 2nd half was a golden opportunity to unleash Pryor, get him some quality live reps. to evaluate him for 2013. It is clear as day that Leinart is not a NFL #2 QB. Why not see if Pryor can fill that role next year?

7:29 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I think the Pryor situation is in the same category as the Tiawan JONES situation. Coaches must believe, through practise and meetings, that he isn't ready yet. Putting a kid out there that isn't prepared, to face what they will be facing, isn't fair to the kid. Also, the coaches must have felt that Leinart gives them a better chance to win and Leinart was signed to be the #2 QB. Maybe the kid needs more seasoning, he could get hurt if he isn't ready.


9:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"...[Pryor] could get hurt if he isn't ready.


The Raiders had packages for Pryor in pre-season games, but 15 games into the regular season all they have for him is a trick play with 2 QBs playing catch from sideline to sideline.

Jones, you're an excuse machine in support of the coaches.

Leinart was brought here by Knapp, and both should be gone next year.

6:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Dennis Allen,,,,Dennis Allen, entering yesterday, you were the head coach of a team with a record of 4-10. In the 1st half Your offense, actually put together a good drive but stalled out at the two yard line...Dennis Allen what's going on in your head right now?,,,Fourth down,, two yard line,,hmm who is the guy in the stands right behind me(row one, 20 yard line in Charlotte) yelling my name saying "Go for it DA!!!!"
I really don't know whats going on in DA's head. When he put 3 fingers up indicating he was going to kick a field goal, I wanted to yell "grow a sack DA", but by then DA had moved back to the middle of the field.
Jerry McDonald and Gutierrez have addressed why Pryor didn't get more playing time(still don't agree with DA on this), so since they have better access to the players and coaches I will leave that topic alone.
So I would like to analyze for a minute Coach Allen's choice of taking the three points instead of going for a touchdown.
Looking from a purely strategic standpoint, Dennis HAD to know that with Leinert at quarterback, the Raiders offense might not be able to move the ball as well. Dennis did not know if Palmer would come back, but he had to account for the possibility that he would not right? This would have to mean that The Raiders might not get many more opportunities on the two yard line right?
From a purely gambling standpoint, what did Dennis have to gain by going for it on 4th and what did Dennis have to lose by going for it on 4th? Well, if the Raiders were to score, not only would he have the touchdown, he would also have a fired up team, maybe success breeds success...What would Dennis lose by going for it and not scoring? well, no points, and......that's about it. The players want to win as much as Dennis does, they were going to support Dennis going for it.
lets say the Raiders don't score, then what? The Panthers get the ball at their one yard line. By default(Palmer injured) isn't your defense your best unit?Don't you put more responsibility on the defense to provide you a win? Isn't this scenario putting your better unit in a position to make plays? We saw later in the game Tarver dial up a nice blitz where Wheeler? or maybe Mitchell should have sacked Scam Newton for a safety,,,couldn't we have seen that in the first half?

When is Dennis Allen going to start taking calculated risks? It's accepted by now that the Raiders are in rebuild mode, but that has nothing to do with in game coaching, which can be judged separately.
IMO Dennis Allen's style of coaching will not be successful for the Raiders, or for any team in the NFL. "You play to win the game" is a phrase we have all heard, and taking the three points instead of "go for it DA!!!!" leads to losses...

IMO Kelly was being selfish, and stupid. You do TAKE IT like jonesy already said. It's a team game. Kelly let the rest of his teammates down. And if Kelly wanted to GIVE IT BACK, then Kelly needs to wait til the next third down and smash Newton for a 10 yard sack,,,
The Panthers were chippy from the start. Their players always played just an instant past the whistle, and they were always ready to get in the raiders face. I noticed from the stands.

Still don't see what Knapp gives the Raiders but I don't pin the woeful offense on him yesterday. Leinert didn't throw for squat yesterday. The Panthers also knew he couldn't throw past 15 yards, and stacked the box, and there went the running game, so I cant really criticize the running game.(additionally Mcfadden was not able to outrun the panthers to the outside due to their team speed...)This was all Leinert...

I give the defense and Tarver credit. They played well enough for the win. Tarver dialed up a few well disguised blitzes either from linebackers or safeties, that were all disruptive plays. The defense made few errors, and improved as the game wore on. Tarver did have an attacking mentality.

Merry christmas to you all...


6:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The defense has done a 180 since benching McClain. The guy was killing us.

6:19 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just cry, NY


9:49 AM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Monte's latest article is exactly what I have been and what most of us have been thinking all along. Mark Davis is no idiot. He may not know the operations side of football but he sure is an avid fan enough to see the the product on the field is not acceptable.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Hence the explainaton of what Davis will do. Time to up the ante a bit. Reggie now has someone looking over his shoulder. Mark surely is his fathers son with this move.

10:21 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Cam should have been ejected, as should Jones and calico. Unsportsmanlike! Nonetheless, Happy safe Christmas, all! Even the three who are very easily offended.

Go Oak.
The Raiders admitted after the game they were trying to “take out” Panthers quarterback Cam Newton.

Newton bumped an official, and wasn’t thrown out.

In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi, “What the hell is going on out here?”

Yesterday’s Panthers-Raiders game was a mess from start to finish, making it hard to argue referee Jerome Boger and his crew had control of things.

Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly was flagged for retaliating when Newton kicked at him from the pile after a sack.

“He kicked me, and I ain’t fixing to take that off nobody,” Kelly said, via Jerry McDonald of “What are you going to do when someone kicks you? You going to take it? Nah.”

That didn’t make it OK by his coach.

“We’re trying to change the culture, and what we have to understand is we have to keep our composure in those types of situations because nothing good comes out of it,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said.

Then came an admission the Raiders were trying to get Newton out of the game, after Raiders starting quarterback Carson Palmer was knocked from the game earlier.

“You take our guy out, we’re going to take your guy out,” Kelly said. “We’re not out to hurt someone, but when that happens … .”

Newton was later flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct but wasn’t ejected. Boger told a pool reporter that he “misspoke” when saying Newton was flagged for contact, saying it was for “disrespectfully addressing an official” and the contact “was not of a malicious nature.”

The frustration (with the officials, and each other) was palpable as the day went on, and none of three parties involved distinguished themselves in the process.

11:32 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

My wife is so hot, the best of everything on the planet, indeed, and also a Pats fan who loads me up with some sweet OAK gear! She laughs at some of you boneheads too. Bawhaww!!! The best fans know why they are, and are even when the team sucks. Enjoy the playoffs, peeps... we sure will! (and in 2016, too, when the Oaks are kicking it, and the Pats are just a memory!) yesss, life is good in OakTown, even when they suck. it's good to be me! Feliz Navidad!

8:39 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

OTB the phoney...if your wife is so hot and you have the "best of everything on the planet"...why are you trolling Raider sites? Surely a man of you stature and intellect would find better things to do?

Or are you just full of shit? That's what trolls are, full of shit and insecure so they write crap to try and get attention because they usually have no freakin life.

OTB, rack him up as one of the biggest frauds ever to write on RT, right up there with Mr. Thailand and his teenaged wife.... = bullshit scumbags with nothing better to do.


10:29 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Hah! Funny how my joy stirs your pot Jones... I've never directly attacked you. hey Take, you foretold this back in the Minty Fresh season of the blog... you must be a prophet.

Speaking of prophecy: 2016 Lombardi.

10:52 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Jones, you attack me for my lackluster views, as I've never attacked you, well, maybe you should take in some rules again buddy: Just because I like the Pats and am named OakTown Blues because i am a fan despite this pitiful record of "a commitment to flatulence" (that, by the way, was a printed article of mine when Al began losing it in NFL Season 75)

Funny how I can ask people why they believe what they believe about something as shallow as pro ball and they get all bent. Happy days!

It's also time for the denizens of Raider Take to turn the corner as well. Here's the new (ie: original) mantra for all of us here for the duration of the season:
Football takes, please
Check the personal stuff at the door
It's okay to criticize the Raiders, always has been, always will be
It's okay to prop the Raiders, always has been, always will be
All opinions aren't equal; if you express an opinion that isn't grounded in logic or observable fact, you can expect to hear about it; don't take it personally, just step up your game
Before commenting, ask yourself: would I say this to someone's face in public? If not, that's a red flag.
Too often, in the comments section, we are talking about each other, creating an endless and tiresome loop of meaningless "gotcha" games.

10:59 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

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12:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

OTB, you and your 'faidas' routine has been here a long time. You lurk like a fart and you stink like one too. Someone has to be pretty damn sick to get joy out of trolling another teams site and try to bother those who are regulars. It reminds me of a guy named AGENT ORANGE....hmmmmm.


12:31 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

ok Jones, yes I am consistent, but, unlike many, I wont play coach. I just dont think you should pay attention to me. I skip your posts, because they are usually squabbles. so, you can ignore me now, sorry my opinions cause u to use bad language.

12:57 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The best way for me not to pay attention to you = just go to a patriots site, there you can suck on Brady's balls all day long.

What joy do you get mocking the Raiders and their fans? When you are so full of joy and content? A person who does what you do, is not full of joy and content, that's why you do what you do. You think you are winning at the 'game of life', let me tell you, you are losing.


1:15 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If you are passing over my posts, how do you know what I am writing? Just stop lying and you become a better person by 100%. But to you, life wouldn't be fun anymore because then you would have to be a straight shooter....keep being the freak, if that's what turns your nuts, but do us Raider fans a a freak somewhere else, capice?


1:19 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...I see OTB when I scroll, that's all. I stopped last year when you and Panty Raider were swapping spit. In the rules, we are allowed to mock the team, it's real. Do you really kiss your wife with that mouth? i'm a straight shooter. The Raiders suck this year, they will for a few more years, getting gradually better, Al Davis lost it in the 90's, I think some other teas play much like our old squad (see, I like Oak for results, not team colors) it's why I liked them in the first place. The way that they organize, attack, and win. Well, no wonder there isn't much to chew on there lately because you just can't face the fact that I am honest about it. You, my friend, will just have to put up with me. If this cold shower makes no sense to you, well, there are professionals that can help you. That person is not me! Anyway it's been a nice chuckle.

I am not a fanatic.
I am blue.
OakTown blue.


1:36 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

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1:50 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Take (not Jones) Opinion please: ...buddy of mine bumped into Marcus Allen last year @ the ESPN Zone. They chatted, and he asked for a pic with him. Allen said "only if you take your Raiders hat off". My buddy complied. What's your Take on Allen, bro? I respect that gesture. My point? If it's wrong "in this house" to respect that, I'm outta here, with respect to the house. If so, I stay. I will not be a Jones!

1:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Football takes, please" (rule 1)

As far as rules 2-9, see rule 1.


You are unable to comply with rule 1 besides your default, "the raiders suck".

From day 1 you've added nothing resembling an intelligent football take.

My make believe Allen fantasy story is complete BS like you. Quit reaching, provoking -- you are and will always be a fraud and troll.

Go slurp on your "wife's" balls -- no better yet, just go away.

9:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

obviusly should read,

Your make believe Allen fantasy story is complete BS like you.

9:49 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Dennis Allen: Monday:

"I had a hard time on the tv copy and on the coaches tape to try and find where [Kelly] did something wrong."

"I didn’t see anything on the tape that I thought warranted that [penalty]."

It was a very bad call. Simple as that.

6:49 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Um.... ok Jack. (?).

8:53 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY, Kelly is a perceived hothead, Cam Newton is a League pet. Kelly has to understand that the refs are going to protect Newton at all costs. Newton pushed him off with his foot. Kelly made an aggressive motion towards Newton that started a scrum.

Kelly has to understand these circumstances, yes, it was a bad call, but Kelly cannot put himself in that position to even appear to go after the pet QB. That is the difference between football smarts and football dumbness. Another lesson, free of charge, for the mentally short football fans.


9:42 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Thanks Jones, that was an absolutely brilliant take on human nature! Now we want our D to be politically correct? Um, look back, the team was statistically better when penalties like this sparked a fire. Aggressive motion, um, that's what RaiderBall used to be. Football enough for ya (have you ever played this game?) I do agree with it being a league problem though. the pats have, unfortunately benefitted greatly from favoritism. SnowBowl : Never Forget. 2016

10:55 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

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11:02 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...the only football memory more painful than the SnowBowl would be Nap McCallum... Who out there remembers Al Michael's biased quotes that Monday night against SF? At least Jerry Rice was a Raider for awhile...

11:05 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just troll, baby


11:12 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said... all sincerity Jones, I truly don't understand your point of view. I don't really get the troll thing. Guess it takes one to know one? Perhaps! What do you want from posters: stats n' optimism, or bust? I'm going to miss all of this banter after vacation (not) :) Peace out.

11:22 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - there you go hedging your position again and pretending like your opinion was this tempered from the start. The HC said Kelly did nothing to warrant the call. Accept it and move on. Don't keep making shit up. Frankly, it's embarrassing.

Knapp has one more game as a Raider OC and then he'll probably leave and take what's left of your credibility with him.

IMO, Tommy Kelly is as likely to remain with the Raiders in 2013 as Knapp.

"Newton pushed him off with his foot."

That sounds so innocent. Just a little love tap, huh Jones? It's not like he intentionally kicked him with a cleated shoe or anything, right?

3:43 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Get a life, NY and while you are at it, lay off the LSD.


4:58 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Based purely on productivity and value, if Kelly sticks around for 2013, the Raider management team needs to restructure his contract significantly.

With Seymour on IR and out the door, the defensive tackle position is a MAJOR need area.

DT, OT, and MLB are my top 3 priorities to upgrade.

5:05 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...basically the whole defense. Um, brilliant call there Nostradamus, my call from Week Three. Hence, Twenty Sixteen is not pessimistic, just realistic. No, wait, perhaps optimistic. Ah, the Nation. Take, send in the tissues, it's happening again! OTB sniffles as he puts away the RaiderGear. (I break it out like Christmas stuff) Just can't bear the pain. Oh, the agony!

Let's just hope the Pats beat Denver in the playoffs, but I dunno, they say that Manning dude is talented.

5:15 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

ANd we wonder why we are 29th in scoring??


Vic Tafur ‏@VicTafur

Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”


Hands down I think this is the stupidest thing any football coach has ever said.

If Allen doesn't fire this moron at the final whistle Sunday, Mark Davis deserves half-empty stadiums all year next year.

5:58 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said... got that right! They sure are good at getting "to" the Red Zone, and SeaBass has the numbers to prove it!

6:37 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Saw Mark Davis tonight at the Clippers vs. Celtics game. He was a guest of Clippers owner Donald Sterling seating in the front row.

Yes, our defense needs to be rebuilt BUT there are some core players to build around.

Speaking of tissues, the question is whether or not OTB will be crying uncontrollably when the Pats get bounced from the playoffs. Will he want to pat Tom Brady's head and comfort him?

Why the charade about your allegiance OTB. It is embarrassing that you come on a Raiders blog and continue to pretend you are a Raiders fan. Quite frankly, I have a ton of more respect for the loyal Jaguars fan who is true to his colors than a fraudulent troll like yourself.

12:06 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Why one second of practice time would be wasted on Lienart is very troubling. I am willing to give DA a pass but it is getting harder and harder.

5:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Get a life, NY and while you are at it, lay off the LSD.

Ok, Jones. If you say so. You just can't handle being wrong, again.

I was so looking forward to another one of your soapbox speeches about how great the coaches are and how dreadfully awful the players are.

Maybe next year Knapp will install some red zones packages and we can score some points.

9:34 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

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10:09 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Jack, do you really think anyone should care about the "personal" opinion of a blogging stranger? My my, i thought you said this was about football? But I do think there's room for the opinions of Raider people who aren't necessarily addicted anymore but still have hope, mixing with those who have blind faith and lob off the heads of us who do not... I'd say we're the peacemakers, pal. I also give you a ticket to ignore me, but I'm not going anywhere. If I based my relationships on football blogs, well, never mind... I still like it here, so, you'll just have to get used to it since you choose not to ignore why we could learn a lot from teams that can win 11 games, consistently. ((Them Falcons are pretty entertaining to, so, yes, "I am entertained!")).

Happy New Year fellows, 2016 is just around the corner...

10:11 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...I've already predicted the Manning child to be able, and if the Raider squad made it this far and got bounced, I would hold the same position... the best team wins.

10:12 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...the last time I EVER allowed any sporting event, or ANYTHING outside my family and friends upset me, in the slightest, was the SB loss to the Grudens. A word of wisdom to you all, an old Indian proverb: "two things always happen to the man who chooses to throw dirt at others: One: his hands get dirty. and, Two: he loses ground".

Peace out, OTB... let the playoffs begin!

10:58 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

nyraider said...

Maybe next year Knapp will install some red zones packages and we can score some points.


I am not cynical enough YET to expect Knapp back. I don't see anyone defending him, even here, and see some season ticket holders threatening to finally bail on the team if he is retained.

I doubt McK takes the time to pay attention to any of the fan forums, but one would hope someone in the organization is at least taking cursory views.

If McK and Allen really want to give the fans the finger and indicate "my way or the highway" Knapp keeps his job.

Cork has been saying its a tossup from what he is hearing in the organization.

I want a young hot OC that has HCing aspirations. Knapp set the bar pretty low considering he has CP and McF to work with.

12:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Knapp has been no better (maybe worse) in his second stint with the Raiders.

1:04 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Newton was fined $10,000 by the league for kicking Tommy Kelly; or as Jones says, "pushing Kelly off with his foot."

Apparently, the league didn't get your memo, Jones.

4:23 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Not a good team to play for Pryor's first start... SD is second in the league in sacks, and was swarming CP in game 1, IIRC.

I'm guessing he will just say fuck it and tuck and run on every passing play by the second quarter.

My over/under for completions is 8.

5:05 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


I would rather have Pryor improvising, tucking and running, with a fierce SD rush than Leinart throwing the ball 3 yards down field or getting sacked.

If nothing else, it would be a good learning experience for Pryor regardless of the outcome.

Pryor has a long way to go to becoming a reliable backup but at this point, trial by fire, with nothing to play for beside pride, is the time to give him a spin.

5:18 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"You just can't handle being wrong, again."

What have I been wrong about, NY?

How's Tiawan doing? Wimbley? And now you are elevating McFaden and Palmer as top players in the league?

How did the Raiders change their Defensive scheme in a 4 day period?

And now you are trying to argue that my description of the Newton / Kelly incident is in defense of Newton? Your "i gotcha" moment is still a long ways away, NY.

How many times have you been right, NY? How many times have you come to your own conclusions instead of following the herd about everything concerning this team?

You don't know shit, NY, just keep following, it's what you do.


6:35 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Calico Jack said...


I would rather have Pryor improvising, tucking and running, with a fierce SD rush than Leinart throwing the ball 3 yards down field or getting sacked.

If nothing else, it would be a good learning experience for Pryor regardless of the outcome.

Pryor has a long way to go to becoming a reliable backup but at this point, trial by fire, with nothing to play for beside pride, is the time to give him a spin.


Agreed 100%!

10:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - you’re blind to your own misguided opinions.

Yours is the biggest blunder on this board all season, but you’re too full of yourself to see it. You spent 3/4 of the season propping up the coaches and dumping on the players, while pointing fingers and trashing fans that suggested the coaches might have a hand in the Raiders failures.... only to later hedge your position by stating the coaches could be “upgraded.”

It’s down right comical how you rant and rave about something then later hedge your position and say you were right all along.

Keep up the good work, Jones.

5:46 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...


I never said Tiawan Jones would be a superstar; I merely suggested playing him for the sake of evaluation. (I guess sincerity from others starts with how you post, right Jones?)

Here’s what you said about Pryor:

”I think the Pryor situation is in the same category as the Tiawan JONES situation.

Pryor may do poorly, but at least the coaches (or Reggie) didn’t take your advice and leave him on the bench. This will help the org make an informed decision about Pryor’s future with the team.

But that makes no sense to you, right Jones?

5:54 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Anyone knows that, short of other teams failing, it takes time to build a team. Last year, we all knew this would likely be a "blow it up year". This offseason, there is still more TNT needed in the quarry, but I still believe, based on their willingness to RETAIN coaching and TRIM the players accordingly, Reggie and mark can really instill a sense of stability in this organization. I still believe that there can be a fourth trophy in OakTown. By 2016. Doesn't matter that only a handful of games were won, there were only a handful of truly clownish games too... That is why I say 2016, with much enthusiasm, regardless of who will be warming the plasma in Casa de OakTown this weekend.

Always enjoying, always...

6:25 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

For a meaningless game in a dreadful season, I'm actually really looking forward to Sunday.

I'm excited about seeing how Pryor handles himself. Although I still believe Pryor is a project, I have been pleasantly surprised and happy to hear about his attitude and work ethic.

No doubt his is an elite athlete with an extraordinary physical skill set. If the Raiders can continue to patiently develop him and if Pryor continues to be dedicated to his craft, he has a chance to become a starter in the NFL by 2014.

Next year is looking like another bridge/transition year but with a good draft and shrewd player personnel moves, we can hopefully finally begin to build in earnest.

12:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I agree, CJ. Perhaps only a novelty, but intriguing nonetheless.

IMO, Leinart is another Kyle Boller... not even a good backup. I'd like to see the Raiders dump Leinart and draft a QB prospect to battle with Pryor next season for #2.

Tarver looks to have the defense heading in the right direction, with the available personnel. Hopefully, there will be some carryover next year; which gives credence to Tarver's comments about retaining personnel.

The offense is the biggest concern, having shown little to no improvement through 15 games. I think we've been fooled a bit by their ability to operate between the 20s, but red zone offense is another story.

It's become painfully obvious that Knapp is no better a playcaller than Kiffin, [Knapp I], Cable, Jackson were before him... maybe worse when you factor in Knapp II is the only OC in that group to have a good QB.

Knapp operates the most unimaginative offense in the NFL and does not play to his players strengths. It's been painful to watch.

IMO, Pryor will somehow have to overcome his OC's weaknesses to make his mark today.

5:44 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Palmer is the best QB we've had since Rich Gannon, I'm glad he's getting a rest. Throw this one to the dogs.

Upgrade: 2015. Why? Because I can see more surgical-strike grade cold-seeking, roster clearing weapons being loaded up by Reggie and Mark...


9:12 AM  
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10:05 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Gameday take on Pryor is up.

10:05 AM  
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