Saturday, December 15, 2012

A Raiders Lair...

Chew on these quotes for a moment, via Inside Bay Area, brought to our attention by NY Raider:

“Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said their schemes are sound, but they take time to implement and for the players to learn. Bringing back as many players as possible from this year’s team and giving them a year to adjust are going to pay huge dividends.”

“Knapp said his history in retooling offenses shows that players need a year or so to get acclimated but, once they’re up to speed, good things happen.”

“Tarver said. ‘It’s been good. With a year under our belts and keeping as many of these guys as we can, it’ll grow big time.’”

I, for one, am speechless.

So I can't think of a better time to post the following photos from longtime Raider Take regular "memdf," who not only earns points for having one of the strangest handles around these parts, but also for being one of the most intense Raider fans I've known.

By intense, I don't mean "hardcore." I mean dedication, knowledge, personal history and traveling around the country to see games. So it's no surprise that he would create one of the coolest Raider lairs around. In a previous take, he mentioned being open to sharing some photos, so I took him up on it.

Damn, this room looks sweet. Pour me a pint, turn on the game and let me roam around this joint!

The Raiders may be 3-10 right now, but the legend lives on in the hands of the Raider Nation. Thanks, memdf, for the sneak peek.


Anonymous gary said...


I just saw this on PFF... and could be one of the reasons we are having so many problems running... our TE is one of the worst blockers in the league.


Myers has holes to his game and his issues have come as a run blocker. He’s yet to grade positively in that department in any game this season, and his -18.8 run block grade is by far the worst in the league among tight ends.

....end quote...

He's got great hands, at least when he is not in the endzone... but this is just another position that seems secure that needs an upgrade.

Or at least a coach that recognizes a problem and addresses it. Suppose Knapp has even noticed this guy cannot run block? I'm not holding my breath.

8:53 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Nice pixs!

A TE (Myers) who is a poor blocker should only be used in 2 TE sets. This is an example of a team that needs to upgrade the talent level virtually across the board.

Tarver and Knapp's comments are very disappointing on many levels. It is delusional to suggest that we have a core group of guys that only need 1 more year to in the system to "get up to speed".

The other possibility is that the comments are a way of trying to cover their own butts and be given another year.

1:38 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

IMO, it will not be the coaches call on who stays and who goes. Only Reggie will have the final say, his comments earlier this year, he made it clear that there will be a good amount of roster turnover. Maybe the coaches are trying to keep a `team feeling` with the current players with their comments.


3:14 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

How can the coach fix a player that has made the NFL and still can t block? I wrote weeks ago that Myers couldn t run block and he is still far and away the best TE the Raiders have. Just another piece of evidence that shows the team is very low on talent. Blaming the coaches for a player that just can t do his assignments, get some talented playmakers, then the coaches can be judged.


3:23 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Jones, how do you know Myers is the best TE on roster??... none of the other TEs get in the game. And don't tell me I am supposed to trust Knapp on this. He hasn't shown me anything besides being an utter buffoon. Lets give Ausberry a chance... how could he be any worse?

4:34 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

You believe the coaches are playing players that aren't the best they have? A quote from Palmer in preseason when he was asked who the TE should be...he said without a doubt Myers. And it was when Myers was injured in preseason.

You really feel these veteran NFL coaches can't tell who the top players are in the depth chart is? But you do? Keep em coming Gary, tis the season to get a laugh, you come through, every time.


4:58 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Myers is a good pass catcher but if he is a poor blocker -- next man up or more 2 TE sets.

Ausberry has the best physical tools and athletic abiliies of all our TEs but is raw. Now is the time, if not 5 games ago, to get him the reps. to develop.

8:34 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Definitely some mixed signals. McKenzie did say he wanted to change the culture. Conversely, Allen has repeatedly stated (like every week) the talent exists. Now both coordinators are saying they want as many players back as possible, essentially because it takes a year to learn their systems.

Assuming Reggie McKenzie is the boss (because he is), and he plans to overhaul the roster as much as possible, does that mean we’ll see another year of similar failures while the new players learn the coaches systems of offense and defense?

Otherwise, and ironically, at a time when the Raiders have never been more transparent (e.g., they even quelled rumors of their pursuing Jon Gruden), they have never lied more, assuming we are not to believe the coaches statements of talent and continuity.

5:01 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

P.S. Meyers has 70 receptions. Maybe he can learn to run block a little better during the offseason. Coaches are giving other players a pass for this year, why should the best pass-catcher on the team be under fire?

5:08 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY, once again you forget to realize that these core players only know the Mr.Davis way of doing things. Reggie will be signing and drafting players that will fit the system. Meanwhile, the most of the core players will be out of the league because they are not made to play in a regular NFL system, as this year proves. They do not possess the skills to play in the NFL and by the looks of this year, they do not have the mental capability to pick up and execute what is being asked of them.

As far as "lying", do you really expect the coaches to be an 'open book'? Do you want them to come out and say what Singletary said? If you think the team is out of whack now, imagine what it would be like if the coaches let out all the secrets? I think your idealism is unrealistic.

As far as Myers, to be a player in the NFL, you have to be a complete player. A starting DB can't just be good at man to man coverage and have no ability to play zone. A MLB cannot be a good run stuffer and totally be a liability in pass coverage. A RB can't just be able to outrun everyone. To be an NFL starter, the player has to be able to be good at many tasks.

Myers would not be a starter on most teams because of his inability to take on and maintain his blocking assignments......maybe NY should go back and take a football 101 course. The lack of understanding is ALMOST comical.


10:17 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I am watching the Ravens game and they are saying they are missing 5 of their top 6 tacklers due to injury.

And they STILL are better at tackling than a completely healthy Raiders team.

But I am supposed to believe its not coaching... yes. Of course.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jack, if you go 2 TE's, the other team just gets closer the L.O.S. and totally wipes out the run game and makes it easier for them to disguise the blitz. It isn't just on Myers for the poor run blocking, it goes beyond him.

Myers is a threat in the passing game and the other team has to respect that, thus opening up the field more than a 2 TE set. If Myers was a stud blocker, he could be ProBowl material. Problem is, he isn't, he gets blown up regularly, some guys just can't block and as Reggie said "some guys, you just can't change them".


10:25 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

You really feel these veteran NFL coaches can't tell who the top players are in the depth chart is? But you do? Keep em coming Gary, tis the season to get a laugh, you come through, every time.



I never said I know anything about the players that stand on the sidelines play after play.

Thats the POINT.

Either the players behind Myers is hot-garbage or our coaches have no clue what they are doing.

There is no reason for Myers to be on the field except for on third downs IF he cannot accomplish his BLOCKING assignments.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Yeah, the coaches are at fault because the PLAYERS are not good at tackling. It isn't pop warner, Anonymous anonymous. These guys are supposed to be professionals, you know, able to tackle, cover, catch, run, throw with accuracy....the core players have played for the Raiders for years and they couldn't tackle to begin with....CLUELESS.


10:28 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Well if you are putting another TE in on running downs and Myers in on passing downs....why don't you just tell the other team what play you are running? Because that is exactly what you would be doing....good call, anonymous anonymous.


10:30 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

anonymous anonymous.....the coaches watch these guys every day in practise. If you think they are so clueless in evaluating could they even get a job in the NFL? You make no sense, as usual.


10:32 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Funny how it's always the Raiders are mired in excuses. Now even our coaches are shamelessly making them.

The Redskins put in a rookie QB, radically change the offense around him, and are suddenly performing at a much higher level. Schiano comes it, takes the Bucs by the horns, and there's an immediate improvement in performance. Same with Fisher and the Rams, Harbaugh and the Niners, etc.

But no, we're the Raiders, we're the sad sacks, we're in the ranks of the Cleveland Browns who can NEVER seem to get it together. This is our new normal.

So here we stand, after OTAs, a full training camp and 13 games, and our coordinators are saying hey, no big deal, it's going to take 20 MONTHS for our players to learn how to tackle, mind their gaps, run their routes and catch the ball.

Maybe it's time to remind Tarver, Knapp and Allen of Mr. Mark Davis's quote from mid November (ie: four losses ago): “I’m patient, but I want to see progress. Not regression. I’m embarrassed, pissed, disappointed and I take full responsibility.”

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, Knapp and Tarver.

If it's NORMAL for a team to regress when you show up and for players to take 20 MONTHS to grasp fundamentals under your direction, then you need to be shown the door.

If it's not normal, then don't pretend it is.

One or the other.

11:04 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Myers is a #2 TE, who by default, is our #1 TE. This is a classic example of our current situation whereby our lack of talent and quality depth rears it's ugly head.

Myers was well suited backing up Zach Miller and even Kevin Boss. As a poor blocker, he simply can't be the TE on the field for the majority of downs.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Take, you are another that isn't taking the situation for what it is. These players won't be in Oakland next year or the year after. It will be a whole new roster. Anyone who thinks differently aren't reading what they are seeing.

Do you mean to tell the world that Reggie and Allen would actually want this core to remain the core of this team? Seriously? Once again, the players know it, the coaches know it and the GM knows it. What we have seen this year is the result of that.

Mark clearly didn't understand the situation when he spouted off to the media. That was his 1st mistake, he shouldn't be spouting off and he shouldn't be backing the players better known as malcontents. Maybe he was torn between what his Dad liked and what was happening to it, who knows. Mark is best to be quiet.

The coaches are going to put on the show of backing the players, they have to. They are in meetings, field practising and other functions, throwing them under the bus will not do any good. So they talk them up to the media because it is protocol. But once again, Raider fans not knowing what it is like to actually follow, what is typical NFL protocol, are confused.

Do you want the coaches to come out and say that these guys are bums and are clueless in picking up the schemes? Or would you rather they talk them up and see what they can squeeze out of them in the last few games? Not only is the team going through a major transformation....the fanbase is going to have to realize that for themselves too.


12:19 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Also Take, your examples of other teams turning it around....TALENT, look at the difference in talent compared to what Allen was put into. Look at the unique way that was in Oakland, that all has to be changed too and as we have seen, that isn't going to go away overnight. These are not excuses, these are facts.

The other teams didn't lose their owner, their GM, their HC at 1 time. These players played for that 1 person, he was the only one they had to please = very unique. Comparing the Raiders situation for a new coaching staff as the other teams you listed, is lazy and not very grounded.


12:25 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

1 more point, Take. Those press conferences are not to spill the beans to the fans. They use them to try and motivate their players and to put the appearance of giving info. Their focus isn't to make you happy, as much as fans may feel it's their right to know everything that goes on. Again, NFL protocol.


12:29 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Anonymous JONES said...

1 more point, Take. Those press conferences are not to spill the beans to the fans. They use them to try and motivate their players and to put the appearance of giving info. Their focus isn't to make you happy, as much as fans may feel it's their right to know everything that goes on. Again, NFL protocol.


Heaven forbid a franchise tries to make the fans happy. What business would THAT? The people paying their bills.

Stop with the excuses Jones.

12:52 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

All very good points, Jones. I've said I expect Reggie to nuke the roster. I've acknowledged that Allen was handed a dog of a roster. I understand that a press conference isn't the place to air dirty laundry.

But that doesn't mean Tarver and Knapp have to speak utter coddling nonsense into the microphone.

Tarver: "Keeping as many of these guys as we can..."

Knapp: "Keeping the bulk of the players here..."

Knapp: "Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught."

Here's Knapp's recent resume: Two years with the Texans, one with the Seahawks, two with the Raiders.

Every place he's been to lately he hasn't LASTED past the second year he supposedly turns his units into winners.

If you, Jones, know the players are gone, then don't you think they know it? In which case, these quotes can only be viewed as outright lies and attempts to cover their coaching butts.

Not exactly the best way to motivate a locker room, I wouldn't think.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

No, I see it more as the coaches talking up their players, trying to keep them somewhat together. Yes the coaches know it, the players know it, the GM knows it, but out of being professional, they put up the front that they want to retain the players and say they haven't quit, blah, blah, blah. Same as the players who have been instructed what to say to the press. If it were the way you suggest, players would be spouting off all the time and coaches yapping to the press on who is the crap players and who are the favorites. It's strategy and policy.


1:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Anonymous anonymous, the coaches are there to produce a winner, not to worry about telling the fans what they want to hear. Do you have a clue about anything?


1:08 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Those are all good points. But I think that Knapp and Tarver crossed the line and protested far too much.

It's one thing to keep it professional, another to go out of the way to speak nonsense.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great start to the game, same play 1st and 2nd down, McFaden falls down for no reason and DHB gives up on the ball.

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 'culture' on KC looks very gloomy, hard to win when an Org is so fractured, much like the Raiders.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Did you see that? McFaden walking away from the coach, all upset because they were probably pointing out to him that he needs to look for the cutback instead of always trying to outrun the edge. McFaden probably said "it's all I know how to do".


2:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - apparently, you're the only one with the secret decoder. As Raider Take pointed out, the coaches went out of their way to make a point, one which you disregard.

If, as you say, the players know “it” and the coaches know “it”, why do the coaches feel the need to “back the players,” with this B.S., as you suggest?

There's not a lot integrity in fabricating.

Do you really think the coaches speak is pulling the wool over the eyes of everybody except you? It’s amazing your head fits through doorways, or does it.

Good news is, the Raiders actually found a team worse than they are. Chiefs are clear winners in the battle for a better draft slot.

5:12 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Go Patriots.

5:27 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

"My second favorite favorite NFC team is..."
Bull shit thats12 year old thinking. Fuck the patriots and every other team not the Raiders. Look at my pictures!
I am crazy.
Pissed that Pyor was not standing next to knapp to be put in instantly. A perfect time would have been that second quarter 4 and 2. Let the kid play. The crowd would have gone wild. Also why not put him in on 2nd down for a play. Like a half back option to pass. Opportunities in abundance. Stagnant mindset on O.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Don't be jealous, NY, remember, you denied the 'culture' thing too.

I don't disregard what they said, just that they will say things to the press that is different in what is being said behind closed doors between the other coaches and GM. To think that they will open the book so you can be satisfied, is ridiculous.

It's obvious to anyone that the core players will be replaced, Reggie has already said as much and he is the one who calls those shots. Tarver and Knapp do not make those decisions.

The management and HC are still evaluating these players, they are still looking for those who will 'buy in'. Talking up the players in the media, is a strategy to get the players to 'buy in'. The act of bringing McClain back and using him as a scout team RB in practise, is another strategy to see who will 'buy in'.

You may think the coaches/GM are all walking in the dark, I don't, I see them looking ahead to next year and the message is "buy in or you are out".


6:13 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Apologize to Oak Town Blues. Understand now that the pats support is anti-49 sentiment. My weirdness is I only watch Raiders games and dont watch any nfl games other than. Won't turn on a sports channel for months after the Super Bowl. No Super Bowl parties. Everyone knows not to come near me or talk football. This will be year 11....

6:45 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Anonymous JONES said...

Anonymous anonymous, the coaches are there to produce a winner, not to worry about telling the fans what they want to hear. Do you have a clue about anything?


LOL! Well if that is what they are trying to do they are sure succeeding so far!

They beat the two worst teams in the NFL, and one other team so far.

I can see why you have so much confidence in this coaching staff! You are about the only one I notice. People are REALLY pissed now because they thought they were promised to see some new blood this week. Instead same ol same ol.

Same insipid play book. Same players on offense.

I remember when this was an exciting offense...

7:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

takes more than coaches to succeed, anonymous anonymous.Been over the reasons why it hasn't worked so well, how many times? And still anonymous anonymous doesn't understand? BROKEN RECORD.....BROKEN RECORD.....BROKEN RECORD.....


7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! All season long you've railed against the players and said how can anyone coach with such wretched refuse to work with. Lo and behold the coaches say they want to bring back as many of these said players as possible. And what does the Blatherer in Chief do...without missing a beat he skips right over what was said and goes right back to bashing the players. Now who sounds like the broken record? jones you truly are an old gasbag living on Fantasy Island. In fact I think Mr. Roarke is looking for you. I can hear Tattoo calling you to come home.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It doesn't matter what the assistant coaches are saying. McKenzie handles who plays and who stays....guess you missed that point?


7:51 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

BTW... it appears there is one coach trying to insure he is back next year... the defense came out firing and flying to the ball all game. Kudos to Tarvar for that. Or if it was Allen... thats fine too. The defense played great. If this had happened all season we would be at least be a little bit more in the hunt.

The offense is still insipid and boring. I am pretty sure I have seen Knapp call over 100 first down running plays up the gut this year. If he called a trick play on first down the entire defense would all get nose bleeds, methinks. I did see one play designed almost specifically to pull blockers to get McF around the corner for the first time this season! Knapp is making great progress... IT WORKED! ONE PLAY THIS SEASON... YAY!!!!!!

Great win though even though it might screw us in the draft.

Lets get two more! Winning at the end of the season has a habit of propelling things... Gruden and also Cable seasons come to mind...

10:33 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

The Pats lose better then the raiders win, but a win is a win... nice, OAK.

11:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After winning the superbowl against the chiefs on Sunday I am ready to go to Disneyland and hangout with ALLEN, CAPP and TARVER.

5 field goals NO TOUCHDOWNS, a player without a contract for next year ( PRYOR) and we still don't know if this kid can play, we are going to let him go after this year and somebody else pick him up and make him a starter for some type of minimum salary and he;s going to burn up the league or scenerio #2 pay him like a starter to be a back up because we don't have enough confidence in him....get real man don't be so freaking moronic coach and GM

9:47 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

To think that they will open the book so you can be satisfied, is ridiculous.

Ok, Jones. You keep that decoder ring handy.

It’s one thing to have a “cone-of-silence” it’s quite another to spew lies. Perhaps the coaches should just keep their mouths shut, and let management do the talking about future personnel decisions. It’s bizarre the coordinators are even talking on this level. It’s more like they are making excuses, which is what you continue to do for them, Jones.

It's obvious to anyone that the core players will be replaced....

Not so obvious when the coaches are telling the world the exact opposite.

Enough with all your generalities. What core players? All of them? I made my list; you make yours, or sit down and STFU (there you go; a vernacular you can understand!)

Seymour is gone for cap reasons, and McClain is done because he’s a punk; but what about these players?

Which of these players are automatically gone, as you suggest, Mr. “Culture”?

Tommy Kelly (PB alternate last 2 years)
T Branch
There are no “core” CBs

Carlisle (he’s probably gone due to age; not “culture”)
Meyers (another possible; but not culture)

How many of these players are part of a “culture” that have to leave simply on that basis?

11:30 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Ooooo, look at NY, trying to act tough and all, not very impressive. Look at him/her DEMANDING that I list the players.....Still crying like a little brother, hey NY.

I gave that list a few weeks ago, guess your memory is only good for a week or so? McKenzie said flat out that he was making many more changes, why do you ignore his words? Words that carry much more weight when it comes to who stays and who goes, ya think?

Hanging on every word an assistant coach is saying at a weekly presser is very 'anonymous' like. It's so bizzare because NY and Gary get so wrapped in it as proof the 'sky is falling'. Just settle down, grasshopper, things will be changing, give it a chance and stop whining like a spoiled brat.


12:03 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Look, the fact is, many of the Raiders current roster of players, ARE going to return next season.

Not because Raiders want them all back, but how much turnover can be done in one off season ?

I'm thinking maybe 10 or 11 different players will be on team next year.

In two yrs, it should be over 20 new players.

That's when we will begin to see the difference.

Now if Reggie can find a true franchise QB, Raiders can get much better in a hurry.

See what Manning, RG3, and Luck have done for their teams.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Hanging on every word an assistant coach is saying at a weekly presser is very 'anonymous' like. It's so bizzare because NY and Gary get so wrapped in it as proof the 'sky is falling'. Just settle down, grasshopper, things will be changing, give it a chance and stop whining like a spoiled brat.


The only person I want replaced is Knapp, and I have a very good reason for it. His offense is insipid and obviously under-performing.

Other than that I am fine with the direction of the team... I just get sick of your CONSTANT barrage of excuses.

RT might step in here and say I did the same thing with Al... and for the most part he might be right. Although I did see constant IMPROVEMENT all the way up to the time he died.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd still make excuses for Al. Why? He provided me three SB championship teams, and nearly 40 years of EXCITING entertainment. There was never a dull moment with Al... and I will forever be indebted to him for that.

What do we have now to merit excuses?

A team that seemed to be regressing with every game (although might FINALLY be coming around) a dull and bland product for the most part, and blind faith.

Thats why I get sick of your excuses. They are not with merit.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

BTW.. if you want to see actual whining, go to any other Raider forum and see the Madden junkies whine, squeal, bitch, moan and have a tissy fit because Pryor isn't GIVEN more playing time that he has not earned.

This is where I have our new coaching staffs back. I might want to see Pryor in a few wildcat formations, but there is no reason a 3rd string QB should be taking snaps away from CP with no merit.

3:37 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just cry, baby.


4:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones - personally, I think you are full of hot air. You're all about generalizations, then criticize others for making them. You don't know any more than the rest of us, i.e., that the Raiders will make every effort they can to upgrade the roster during the offseason.

It's comical how you tried to hedge your bet by suggesting the Raiders should upgrade coordinators if the opportunity presents itself. That's a crock, because you have endorsed coaching and called out a culture, which isn't much more than a convenient excuse when you don't have any other explanation.

Meanwhile, I've heard every excuse in the book why the Raiders took a mediocre team and fell back off another cliff, managing to break all new lows in the process.

The hard truth is the Raiders are under-talented and under-coached. Hopefully, both will improve in 2013.

So, big brother, stand up off your chair and give your brain some air.

5:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The way that I'm looking at the 2013 offseason --

Granted there are numerous areas of the team / position groups that need to be vastly improved.

The talent level needs a major infusion of talented players with high football IQs.

There is no magical bullet to get this messed fixed over night.

It will be a combination of cap management (bye bye Lechler), personnel management, player development, the draft, free agency, and the waiver wire.

I expect there to be a significant turnover of the roster (ballpark of 40% turnover of 53 man roster or approx. 21 new players) --

BUT you've still got to keep a core group of players.

Just looking at the defensive side of the ball, the list is extensive;

At least 1 DT, 1 DE, 2 LBs, 2 CBs.

Our "grocery list" isn't going to be compiled to anyone's satisfaction in 1 offseason.

As a fan, I would hope that we acquire building blocks from the draft, free agency, and possibe wavier wire additions to be truly building something.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Is it that 'time' again, NY, already? I couldn't care less what you think about myself, NY. Your opinions are worth a sum of close to 0. If you are writing that I am full of hot air....remember that 'Seinfeld' episode? The one where George does the opposite...that is like reading one of your opinions = believe the opposite to whatever you write and anyone can bat 1.000.


9:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jack, the team needs a new identity, BADLY. McKenzie will hopefully bring in players with leadership abilities, this team lacks LEADERS in the worst way.

Guys like McFaden, who was shown on the sidelines yelling at a coach....that shit doesn't fly anymore. The Tom Kelly off the bench and getting kicked out, same chit. Same players making the same mistakes, that doesn't give you a pass anymore, McClain is another example.

Playmakers, leaders, FOOTBALL PLAYERS, these are the guy's Allen is missing and McKenzie needs to get as many ASAP. Get the team to where it can be competitive TALENT wise, then see how the schemes and coaching work out. The coaches and veteran Raiders are mixing like oil and water, it has to be changed.


9:56 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

10:00 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Calico, did you get my message? You won the jersey... I pulled my posts to rewrite, but never got around to it. Cheers

10:00 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...


12:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Oaktown Blues,

Yeah, I got the message but then the next day all of your posts were removed.

Feel free to give it to another person. I'll pass.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I'll pass"



6:41 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said... much for regrouping several posts into one with a better way to reach you. The weekend's news kept me quite occupied. Safe Christmas, all. OTB

8:06 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

" much for regrouping several posts into one with a better way to reach you."

huh? Not sure what your motivations are but it strikes me as extremely shady and dubious to say the least.

Your schtick is done and played out. Hasta la vista, senor fraud. Go climb into your Tom Brady pjs eleswhere.

9:26 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

As a rule of thumb, unlike many of you, I avoid uglytalk, especially with folks I don't know. But, to close your kind comments, i'll close the thread here. Jack, Jones, I want to thank you for making some very clear points for me. Shtick? I thought it would be cool to talk about why you think the way you do instead of your incessant sqabbling and speculation, and maybe throw in a little something since so many are hung up on their "lair ware". Straight up, it's childish and feeble, and, well, I am not pointing the finger at you. It is I who walked into romper room, and, obviously, Take thought my suggestion was TakeWorthy. But you're right, jack, now that I see your true colors, it is unusual that anyone who didn't know you would offer you something, especially since you participated. Enjoy the raider Ether you've been inhaling, I left mine in Los Angeles and Anaheim, where the worst of fans would threaten those simply wearing Denver, KC or Rams gear. In fact, I stood up for a kid in line some RaiderPunk was going to jump who had flown in from KC to see the last Oak / Rams preseason game in Anaheim. I'm starting to wonder if it was either Jones or Jack. definitely the same mindset. But, it's clear, i am not fanatic. Thank God. Peace out. Oak(it's just a game)Town.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just cry, baby


9:35 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

If CJ doesn't want the jersey, I will take it. I became a Raider fan in 1970 when I received an electric football set for Xmas and decided I liked the Raider logo the best.

True story.

10:10 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Gary, sorry but the jersey has already been awarded to another 'Taker. Perhaps in 2016. :)

Electric football, funny, shake the field / that's a replay of this season!

10:28 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"go Patriots"

"The Pats lose better then the raiders win, but a win is a win"


This is my problem with you, OTB --You add absoultely nothing to the table but complete dribble.

If you ever decide to add anything remotely insightful as it relates to Raider football, than you can put your big boy pants on and join the adults.

6:58 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Fact: 2016 is an attainable goal.
Fact: The Pats look like we wish we did.
Fact: They did lose better than Oak won this week.
Fact: This team should grow up.

I read this blog because Take has honest insight and some decent prose. I'll comment as I see fit, as it's apparent you have taken advantage of your right to do the same, and I'm certain, without even trying, that I'll be a thorn in your side until this team stops making bad decisions. And, yes, it is your problem. Something that we can agree on.

Oh, yeah, 15 yards on Jack for unsportsmanlike conduct.

7:42 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

100 yrd penalty on otb(ullshit)for being such a troll. It even had to dangle a jersey to get responses. Too bad for you OTB = Brady is not gay.


8:19 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Um, take, it's been real, these two characters are a bit childish and I'm not a fanatic, which seems to be a requirement. I'll continue to enjoy your writing, it's good stuff, but as far as anyone else's thoughts, done with that. Not sure what a troll is either. Anyway, look forward to your Takes. I may check in on the children once in awhile, but as for now, I really look forward to the playoffs. I hope the front office is watching. Keep the kids well, and they could mature. Cya!

9:07 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


FACT: You are not a Raider fan but a closet Patsie lover

FACT: You know zero about football

A troll is an idiot like yourself who adds nothing relevant to an intelligent discourse about the subject at hand.

In case you were wondering Einstein, this is a blog about Raiders football.

9:52 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Here's a video I made from the "coaches tape" of all of McFaddens long runs last year. Its worth the download. If you notice almost all of them start inside and then pop outside... and the lanes are cleared outside by excellent 2nd level blocking, DHB in particular. Maybe this is one of the fundamentals Knapp is forgetting about this year? He's too worried about the ZBS to emphasize 2nd level blocking? McF sure likes to try and pop outsied this year to no avail.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



do I really want to comment here??

Ok, so, Well, I will be going to the Raiders game in Charlotte against the panthers.
I will be in my #16 Plunkett jersey, superbowl XV MVP in 1981, the year an 8 year old got caught up in the euphoria of every playoff game at Spenger's restaurant in Berkely, the wild card run that led to the improbable yet totally undeniable championship for the Oakland Raiders.
The year I became a fan of the Oakland Raiders for life...

So anyways to any of you takers out there going to the Raiders game this Sunday, if you see a guy in a Plunkett jersey, don't be a stranger,,,

Seasons greetings to you all


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1:10 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

have you seen the list of UFA's?

not to mention the non UFA's who are gonna be leaving us either via trade or be cut (mcClain/mcfadden). it's gonna be a really different team next year, although i do wish reggie would have actually blown this thing up BEFORE this season started. the way i see it, we're a year behind in our rebuilding effort. how could they NOT know what they had beforehand? anyway, what's not done is not done. this thing will DEFINITELY be blown up this offseason.

dennis allen isn't going anywhere as he should not. greg knapp i believe is a goner. wrong scheme for the wrong personnel. then again, reggie could decide it's the other way around and keep knapp. the west coast offense does work with the right personnel ya know... as bad as the defense is, and you guys'll say i'm smokin' somethin but i think tarver will stay. it's NOT all his fault.

on a side note, the Christmas present to myself finally arrived - a black #24 raider jersey with MY name on it. i like the number and if i'm gonna spend damn near $300 it's gonna have MY name. and besides, these guys get cut or traded so much and that's another reason not to buy a pre-made jersey. i feel for you russell and mcClain jersey buyers...

anyway, if i don't come back on before Christmas I just wanna take this time to wish you ALL my brothers and sisters of the raider nation a VERY BLESSED AND MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. you all be safe during the holiday season! peace!

8:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The list of UFAs is below. The only UFAs that I see worth bring back are only a few (*);

OT Khalif Barnes

* DT Desmond Bryant

G Cooper Carlisle

* DE Andre Carter

LB Omar Gaither

S Matt Giordano

* RB Mike Goodson

WR Derek Hagan

CB Joselio Hanson

P Shane Lechler

QB Matt Leinart

S Mike Mitchell

* TE Brandon Myers

DT Richard Seymour

* DE Matt Shaughnessy

CB Shawntae Spencer

* LB Philip Wheeler

Players eligible for restricted free agency:

* CB Phillip Adams

11:06 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hanson has played well and will be inexpensive to bring back. Seems like a no brainer.

Interesting that you see Raiders retaining 40% of their FAs.

5:23 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I see Shaugnessy gone, Gaither would be a solid backup. I see Tom Kelly gone, McClain gone, McFaden could be gone. If DHB doesn't restructure, he'll be gone. Jacoby Ford should be gone. Hopefully Briesel will be gone. If the right deal comes along, Palmer should be gone too. Myers kept as a backup.


9:37 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Announcers speak of culture again as we see Tom Kelly doing the same stupid crap. Some dogs just can't understand new tricks.


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Jones apparently you were.'t watching. Kelly was kicked. It was a bad call.


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Gameday thread is up.

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