Sunday, August 12, 2012

Are You Feeling Minty Fresh?

I am.

Here we are on the eve of our first contest heading into the 2012 season. I have faith in our team's leadership, but still don't know what to expect from the team itself. It certainly feels different. It certainly feels minty fresh.

Now it's up to the Michael Huffs of the world to pipe down and step up and jam a can full of Altoids down the eager throat of the Raider Nation.

It's also time for the denizens of Raider Take to turn the corner as well. Here's the new (ie: original) mantra for all of us here for the duration of the season:
  • Football takes, please
  • Check the personal stuff at the door
  • It's okay to criticize the Raiders, always has been, always will be
  • It's okay to prop the Raiders, always has been, always will be
  • All opinions aren't equal; if you express an opinion that isn't grounded in logic or observable fact, you can expect to hear about it; don't take it personally, just step up your game
  • Before commenting, ask yourself: would I say this to someone's face in public? If not, that's a red flag.
Too often, in the comments section, we are talking about each other, creating an endless and tiresome loop of meaningless "gotcha" games.

It's a new era. Embrace it and enjoy it. This should be fun. If you're not having fun here, that's okay. It's not for everyone. If you're miserable here, seek fun elsewhere. Life is too short.

Remember when you watched football as a kid? If you've lost that feeling, try to find it again. I'm speaking to myself as much as I'm speaking to you.

A lot of cool things start with the letter "F": fall, football, fun, family, friendship, fairness, faith, fidelity, forgiveness...If you want to drop F-bombs, try one of those. 

Are you feeling minty fresh?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice article with Grudden in the Tribune.
Feeling minty fresh!!!


12:37 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Yes, I'm feeling very Minty Fresh!

The new leadership shepherding in the new era at the right time in the organization's history.

From top to bottom, it is a new beginning, a clean slate, and an opportunity to build stability and sustainable success.

1:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Great new mantra. Football is the only subject that deserves our attention on this board.

The new era begins to reveal itself in less than 24 hours.

Cheers! And GO RAIDERS!

5:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Is my math right; Dennis Allen will be the Raiders' fourth consecutive HC to make his NFL head coaching debut?

I have a good feeling about Allen's chances to surpass his predecessors. One reason is that no recent Raiders’ HC before Allen has had Allen’s authority, autonomy, nor resources. IMO, that places Allen at a notable advantage.

6:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

For a young man taking on his 1st head coaching job, Allen has very quickly settled in, sold his vision, and stamped his leadership.

You can't fool the players -- you either command respect and buy in or you are deemed over your head.

When guys like Seymour sing Allen's praise and voice the "it" quality Allen possesses, it bodes well for a bright future.

The best thing about the new era is the partnership between McKenzie and Allen.

6:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Blogger PantyRaider said...


I have recommended actions by you before...You didn't feel it was necessary anymore...But as I warned once an "Infestation" is welcomed in as one of your own the ill effects will spread throughout your board and it most certainly has bringing out the worse in all of us...Now that's just history!!!

Once upon a time "Troll" who only spoke adversely and disruptive were deleted from your threads and as a "Family" of Raider Fans we were able to discuss our lives/wives/children/military life and Raider Football at will...None of which can be done now without all out assaults upon anything posted...

Would anyone dare to speak about his wife now???...Post a pic??/...I think NOT!!!

I have removed myself twice from this board as a result of the constant ignorant CRAP!!...Each time coming back to witness assaults upon my wife or what I do elsewhere!!!....This was that b2nd time and the record above is very damn clear!!!...That was done for NO other purpose but to cause disruption...Polarize and keep Polarized the posters here...It was a deceptive and unnecessary attempt to further take the joy out of our up coming season!!!...Exactly the same as it has been on that other board where I now spend my time!!!

PantyRaider...About Time!!!!/_

8:00 PM

8:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

If you don't follow Tweets" perhaps you should start...Get some great "Play-by-Play of our camp action and get well informed!!!

Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Terrelle Pryor with nice deep pass to Travionte Session,
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Players running through a ton of plays at brisk pace.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Pryor to Travionte Session again. Nice throw, catch.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Pryor with laser to Juron Criner in tight coverage.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Pryor airmails Criner with final pass of drill.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

“@Raider12Snake: @CorkOnTheNFL Pryor been lookin' better of late? Sounds like it...” -- Yeah, he is making progress.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Miles Burris with interception of Pryor pass. Ball hit off Rashawn Jackson's hands
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

“@oakland627: @CorkOnTheNFL Alot of pryor tweets. Palmer and leinart takin day off” -- All 3 getting reps. Pryor getting ready for Monday.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Pryor zips ball to Brandon Carswell.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Pryor with nice TD pass to DeAundre Muhammad.

PantyRaider....My Boy's About To Shine!!!!/_

8:21 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Re Post:

Blogger PantyRaider said...

Who want's to wager that my boy Pryor gets his 1st "TD" Monday Night???....LoL!!!

The potential is very very high either by Air or by Ground with those legs against the 3rd team "Scrubs"!!!...Any Takers??

Or just "Talkers"!!!....LoL!!!

Raider00 is right....Pryor will shine when given his opportunity!!!

One preseason game don't make or break a "QB" but at least we will see/know something instead of just "Blind Speculations" based upon a perceived wasted 3rd rd pick!!

PantyRaider....Pryor Has Already Kicked Ass On 2 Posters here....Try For Repeats Anyone!!!/_

8:29 AM

8:25 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

RT, EXCELLENT protocol. Offenders should be pulled from the pool. I dig your takes, and the "football" comments attributed to them. I appreciate your take, Take. Thanks for creating this place. Here's to a great new season of RaiderBall!

7:43 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The new look Raiders are FINALLY here. Years and years of waiting for a new direction....and the new direction is so positive, so on the mark.

Exactly what I have been waiting for, a hungry HC with a good staff, a GM that is making very strong moves that all seem to be on the mark.

A Defense that will not look anything like the Defense of the past 50 years, thank goodness. Listening to the Defensive players saying the same things I have said for years on here about the old system....then their total endorsement of their new system and their total glee when they discuss it = it warms my heart.

We have a QB that can be a top QB in the League, a RB that can be a top 5, an O-line that looks to have gotten better than a decent O-line from last year. Wr's who are young and seem to be a very talented group.

Best kickers in the in the world could anyone NOT pick the Raiders to win the West?

How are the Offense's the Raiders face going to plan for a Defense they have never seen in this 1st part of the season = advantage Raiders.

The Raiders are going to be highly motivated, the coaching is going to be crisp and very detailed. The whole Org is going to be on the same page and highly functional......nothing but good news for the Nation...GO RAIDERS.


10:36 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Going into the 1st preseason game with a new Front Office and new Coaching, new schemes and someone only cares about his boy Pryor? A 3rd string QB that will probably not see the field when it counts? Is it a Raider fan? Or is it a SELF fan?

Some people think it's all about them = ,NO, it's about the RAIDERS, the team, wins, championships....Pryor is so far down the list, it should be on the 'who cares' on the Care meter. He is a sideshow with little meaning to this season, just wanted to point that out, hope I didn't offend anyone ;+}


10:43 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

I usually step into the preseason with yawning skepticism, for good reason... BUT, this year, we may have something to dig into, early... looking forward to a strong first quarter!

11:16 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oakland Raiders: QB Terrelle Pryor a must-see preseason attraction

"Pryor ended a recent kill-the-clock drill with a bootleg in which he swept right end. He looked part freight train, part sports car. At 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, he is nearly as big as Tim Tebow and has speed to rival Michael Vick."

PantyRaider...LoL!!....NOT The Only Pryor Pimp I See!!!/_

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I'm amped up for the season, and have been for awhile. I've been watching as much film as there has been available this offseason, and I like the vibe coming out of the Raiders' camp.
I want the Raiders to succeed. It has been a long time coming for so much expectation coming into a season for the Raiders, and I'm excited!
Here is what I want to see tonight, smash mouth defense, and a sharp playing offense. I don't want a ton of penalties, I want to see the Raiders not only control the tempo of this game, but to dominate!

1:02 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

In the overall picture, Pryor ranks about a 3 out of a 100. This will be a steady methodical Offense during the Regular season, it won't be a freak show of putting in a 3rd string QB who can run a Wildcat, ala Timmy Tebought.

Bigger picture is the Defense, will McFadden reach his potential, will PALMER reach elite status, will these new WR's deliver at game time....Will Allen and Co. make the right calls at the right time....these are the real questions, the Pryor thing is for fans who follow Timmy Tebought's every move and hang on every word a media type may utter. More like an awestruck kid who is still learning the ropes. That stuff is for kids, if the shoe fits?


1:06 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I agree, Jones. Based on media reports from camp and coaches interviews, it seems Pryor is not even a close third in the hierarchy of Raider QBs. The hype surrounding his play tonight is just that.

While I'm excited to see him actually play, I'm already giving him a pass for any mistakes he might make. The kid is at best a project.

The real story is as you mentioned above. These are the tangibles that will make or break our 2012 season.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

On a side note, prayers to Nnamdi who was carted off the field in practice today.

3:31 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Agree Jones & NYR. It is easy to separate hype with actual relevancy.

Pryor is a long-term project who has a steep hill to climb to becoming a proficient, polished, NFL ready QB.

I like Pryor who seems to be dedicated to his craft. He has wonderful athletic skills.

I would say conservatively that Pryro is at least 2 or 3 seasons away minimum from becoming a potential #2 QB.

7:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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8:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's a QB driven league. Palmer is as good as we've had for 10 years, but depth is still a concern.

Tough game tonight. Run D look solid in first half but, overall, a sloppy game by the Raiders... who let a Rob Ryan-coached defense shut them out.

Hopefully, no injuries and we can regroup next week.

8:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Not exactly electrifying, but not terribly significant, either. Leinart looked pretty solid in Knapp's offense. But is Knapp's offensive approach ultimately any good with this roster? We shall see.

8:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

1st game....vanilla Offense...Palmer looked decent, Ford sure sold him out. If Ford continues with that kind of effort, he may not make the team. Anyone notice him running at half speed unwilling to tackle the guy who just picked off the pass that he did not try hard for? That was not what Allen wants to see, maybe he doesn't know the scholarship thing is done.

McFadden looked just like he did last year in his few plays. Starting O-line was looking good....WR's looks to be a weak spot without Moore and Ford looking like a College boy. Streater is a keeper, Criner might have a head problem? Starting Defense looked alright, Bartell needs work = reps. McClain is going to have a good year as is the front 4-6 (subs). From the look on Allen's face in the 2nd half....looks like he knows there is a lot of work to do. I would bet that Allen is going to pull an all nighter on film, his night isn't over, he will be up all morning, you could almost see disappointment in his eyes, IMO. He will do everything he can to fix it.....that's the type of coaching that is needed in the NFL. Friday will be a good measuring stick to where this team is at.


9:23 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Tonight was an initial measuring stick and clearly the Raiders are a work in progress.

I have no doubt in my mind that Allen will use this next week to sharpen the focus and attention to detail. Starting positions and jobs are on the line.

10:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Slow start should be expected...Way too much is new and still being implemented...That "0" was disappointing but not so surprising considering how little time "D-Mac" played and our injured depth at "RB"/"WR"...

At least the starting "D" didn't allow any points or very consistent play...

PantyRaider....One Preseason Game A Season Does Not Make!!!/_

1:55 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Palmer has got to quit throwing into double coverage. The one knock against him in this league has been lack of check downs; and he showed it again. Good thing this was a pre-season scrimmage.

We had ample opportunity on both sides of the ball to do something. Don't know why Jano missed a 47 yarder, but hopefully he gets it out of his system before the season opener.

Did the defense look pretty solid, or did the Cowboys offense look pretty horrible? Trying to force things offensively is what caused us this game. Out of the 3 QB's, Leinart looked sharp, and played like he could wind up being our starter. Our line struggled with a lefty Q though, hope we correct that in the rest of the pre-season.

There are some concerns, but the main concern offensively is to quit forcing plays that are not there! I am however, still feeling minty fresh because it was the first pre-season game. If this were the last pre-season game, I'd be a little more concerned.


6:32 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Ford was really sloppy, I agree with much of what has been said here... but there is a different look (or is it me?) No way to tell until there is a pattern 3-4 weeks into the season, but I'd say they played respectable ball.

7:38 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

I look forward to smart, tough, disciplined play, for starters, so we can beat the Bolts on the 10th of Sept in OakTown. That is Priority ONE. Miami looks tough too, will be a trying 4-game ride before the week five bye, let's hope McFadden stays healthy! Hosting Pittsburgh and going to DonksVille would be a nice 2-win streak, so a 3-1 setting, at worst is my minimum bar for this squad.

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Derick from Section 344 said...

All that matters is that no one got hurt. Period.

First Team D was real active, and other than one questionable decision I thought Palmer looked sharp. (He can't throw them AND catch them.)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we won't get shut out again on Friday.

Go Raiders

9:34 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Packers sign Cedric Benson. I had hoped the Raiders would sign him, as RB depth is an area of concern.

10:03 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Much of our season rests on McFadden's presence, and the improvement of the backfield. Wisniewski's centering could factor too... otherwise, we are complete to compete. 3 decent QB's.

11:07 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I meant to mention the comments made by Gruden and Romanowski about the obvious culture change in Oakland. Gruden, in a nice way, joked about the Raiders now having a reception tent for the media... who would have thunk.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It was nice just to see Gruden there, after being banned by Al Davis once he went to work for ESPN.

I was hoping for Benson too, but Joseph Addai was released by New England, he's available. Kevin Faulk, Earnest Graham, and Ryan Gant are still available. Also worth mentioning are Maurice and Sammy Morris, Jerious Norwood, Chester Taylor, Derrick Ward, Ryan Torain, and Cadillac Williams.

All that to say that there are still options at RB. I'd like to see Gant, Torain, and/or Ward as short yardage situations (in that order). Ward has fumble issues, Gant and Torain have injury issues. Just my 2 cents.

5:23 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Did we score yet ???

6:14 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...D-Mac reminded me of Timmy Brown, snatching that grab across the middle... in the dirt. I get the feeling we'll see Gruden again in the coming years. Jus' sayin'...! Juzz Win Baybee!!! Kudos to Tommy Kelly too, dude's a menace... and did I see the Ghost of Alzado in #77???

7:38 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

With news of stadium talk, I think the Raiders stay in Oakland, creating a venue similar to the one being presented in Los Angeles (Stadium, shopping, hotel complex). It wouldn't surprise me if they try to lure the AEG group into building their stadium in Oakland, and sharing revenue of it with Oakland/Alameda.

I've attached a website with pictures of it; since both their plans and the lone billionaire's plans were turned down by LA.,wp11926

It wouldn't surprise me, because the Raiders have been involved in the talks concerning this stadium proposal (specifically) for over a year. With the A's and Warriors leaving the Bay Area, and Oakland/Alameda County losing some revenue; this may be one of the best options for both the Raiders and Oakland/Alameda.

Along with the shopping area and hotels, the Raiders could also request a training facility/field as well as an area for Raider Nation celebrations. I would also build a Raiders' History museum/Hall of Fame.

I think this is going to be a huge deal for the Raiders and Oakland/Alameda if they can package it right (and that is dependent on Oakland/Alameda politicians more than anyone else). I'd call the whole complex "Raider Nation". That's my 2 cents on the stadium issue.


8:16 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

That's taking an incredible risk on a franchise that hasn't posted a winning season for 10 years and just conceded to lower level revenue-sharing on home games by adopting the NFL's new "blackout" policy.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Raiders need to stay in Oakland and City of Oakland needs to get a deal done. This is what our tax dollars are supposed to be used for, but the politicians and their 'tricks' have the country and State in a major hole....I just want to say thanks to the asshole politicians for selling us all down the river.

When it is all said and done, we pay AT LEAST 50% of ALL OUR EARNINGS to a corrupt system, through all forms of "taxation".

Ain't life grand....and people still believe in "change", that will come if they vote in the next guy....we are all a bunch of suckers. Wasn't going to go there, but what the hell.


3:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

LOL... sometimes the truth sucks.

Another truth is it's time for the Raiders to put up some points and show the offensive fire power they are capable of....

Go Raiders!

7:00 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Sadly, I don't see the Raiders getting a new shiny stadiium in the near future. The best case, realistic scenario is to refurbish the existing stadium.

7:36 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Should be 16 to 7 at the end of one.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Raiders should have faired much better in the 1st half, Arizona came in fired up and the Raiders weren't ready for it. This game was a good wake up call to the team, it was like a regular game as far as intensity...Palmer better stop doing those picks, they are killers. Goodson...YIKES, he cannot be the backup to McFadden, upgrade needed there. McFadden looks all world. DHB still can't catch in tight coverage, WR is a trouble spot, again. Good to see Bergstrom leading the way on the Raiders 1st TD of the year, even though it's preseason.

I like the look of the Offense when Knapp opened it up after the Cards had scored their 1st 7. Remember, they are intentionally holding back on the plays, keeping it simple, on that drive, we got a glimpse of what it can be.

Defense.....some still to iron out, but liking the looks of it as well. Chekwa needs to be the #3 Corner, Van Dyke might not make the team. Burris needs seasoning

Special Teams, aren't looking so special, lots of work needed there.

I see good things, needs some cleaning up and a couple more signings by Reggie of castoffs at cut time, at RB and WR maybe LB too. They have the makings to be a good team, Allen just needs to bring it together.


10:34 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I forgot one item...can all the hype stop about a (maybe) 3rd string QB? I'm ready to call him Terrible Pryor...the kid isn't even close. The Pimp, needs a brand new bag (James Brown).


10:44 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

FORGOT..again...Allen messed up when he didn't throw his flag to review that pass to McFadden in the Red Zone, his 2 feet were in, and it would have set them up for a TD. Allen missed that one, the learning curve for the whole team has to be steep now. I will be expecting Allen to have them and himself ready on Opening Day.


10:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The best hope at this point is that our starting “D” is just good enough to keep us in a game until the “O” can find a way to pull out a “V”…

Or better yet that our starting “D” can put up enough points to win it for us…

Definitely a work in progress and I’m still projecting a very slow start while picking up speed later in the season…At least at the Bye we hope!!!

PantyRaider...Nothing Changing Yet!!

Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd

Early indications are this will be the best Raiders defense in several years. Without improvment elsewhere, no jump in standings

Like I posted weeks/months ago...Injury will be our most pressing issue this season and here we are only 2 games into the preseason!!!

Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd

Coach Dennis Allen's statement that Goodson `had weakness in shoulder' raises concern considering recent neck injury.
Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd

No way to know how serious Jacoby Ford’s foot sprain is, but the Raiders’ track record on these things is not good.
Raiders | Jacoby Ford on crutches after game

Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:43:23 -0700

Oakland Raiders WR Jacoby Ford (ankle) left the preseason game Friday, Aug. 17, against the Arizona Cardinals due to an ankle injury. After being treated in the locker room, he was out of uniform, with crutches at his side, after returning to the sideline.
Paul Gutierrez ‏@PGutierrezCSN

#Raiders injuries: @JacobyFord12 has sprained foot, @MattLeinartQB has stitches in right index finger, @theDHB85 has sprained shoulder

12:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Raiders have a ways to go to smooth out the kinks.

Goodson looks terrible. Miller looks far better, but did make at least one really obvious mistake running wide of a good inside block.

Unless we sign a vet RB, it should be Miller over Goodson to make the roster.

Steater should be an opening day starter... which means the Raiders probably should sign a vet WR too.

Either DHB wasn't getting open, or Palmer has no faith in him. Either way, Streater was the only WR on the field early on.

Criner made an incredible adjustment to catch a duck thrown by Leinart. That's a catch the Raiders most venerable WR still can't make.

Special teams was a bust. This unit already needs an overhaul.

Did I say Goodson looks awful? Yikes! Hard to believe Cedric Benson was on the market for so long. There are still other options out there.

Tiawan Jones is beginning his career in Chaz Schilens fashion... injured all the time. Raiders need a legit backup for McF

On a side note, and with all due respect, the broadcast team of Flores, Plunkett and Papa seem lost at times, and they regularly give misinformation in their commentary.

5:27 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It's preseason, the Offense looked good until Goodson came in. Arizona came ready to play and their starting Defense could be one of the best in the league. Palmer threw a bad pick, but up to that point, the Offense was moving the ball, after the original 3 and out on 3 basic runs. Palmer will need to iron out the bad decisions. With McFadden in there, the Offense looked explosive when Knapp opened it up. The Offense will be just fine. The Defense looks good to go, the Special Teams need most of the work IMO. Game 3 of the preseason is when it shows the closest to what the Raiders will be on Opening Day. Also, the team was playing with 3 days off from their previous need to panic at this point.


8:20 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Injury Up-Dates!!!...

Raiders | Darrius Heyward-Bey injury update

Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:45:45 -0700

Updating a previous item, Oakland Raiders WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (shoulder) suffered a sprained shoulder Friday, Aug. 17, in the team's preseason game.
Raiders | Mike Goodson injured Friday

Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:43:47 -0700

Oakland Raiders RB Mike Goodson (shoulder) suffered a shoulder injury in the team's preseason game Friday, Aug. 17.
Raiders | Jacoby Ford injury update

Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:41:22 -0700

Updating a previous item, Oakland Raiders WR Jacoby Ford (foot) suffered a sprained foot in the team's preseason game Friday, Aug. 17.
Raiders | Matt Leinart injury update

Sat, 18 Aug 2012 05:18:12 -0700

Oakland Raiders QB Matt Leinart's (finger) injury in the team's preseason game Friday, Aug. 17, was on his non-throwing hand, and he only needed stitches to repair the damage.
PantyRaider....Injury Watch In Full Swing...As Expected!!!!/_

12:28 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Look at the Raiders last 2 opponents...did they have injuries? How bout the rest of the league? This seems to be a league wide injury bug, not just the Raiders. Also, the Raider injuries seem mild comparatively....keep up your gloomn and doom though, it will make the season that much sweeter.


12:58 PM  
Blogger bazjoz said...

@ JONES... thanks for your analysis, I was honestly thinking about the infamous clown car being rolled out of storage until I read your post... We got stomped... they embarrassed our O, SpT, and D all in under 11 mins. But like you said there were some good things later. DMC looks like he belongs on a way better team, Goodson looks like a child compared to Bush (with whom we'da scored at least twice), Palmer talks like he's on top of it and plays like he can't remember it; and with his size why can't DHB make the grabs? Prior belongs in school, as for the D, you can't have even one gaping hole 'cos they'll run thru it... we still seem to have trouble getting 3 n out.
I know it's pre season and all, but I really hope that they're holding back something because the game was a true reality check on expectations... we have to gel and improve 1000% or SD will spank us opening night!

3:55 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Baz, I don't agree with being stomped. Palmer's pic setup a TD at the 3yrd line, the blocked punt on the rookie gave them another TD. A poor coverage on another punt set them up for a short field on their 1st drive for TD, when the Defense, as Allen said, wasn't ready to go.

After their 1st score, the team responded well, other than Palmer's pic and erratic special teams play.

The Special teams play can be taken care of, that kid can punt, but he is a rook who takes his time to get it off. The kid wanted to show his leg, more than he wanted to help the team win. Lechler in there will soildify that. Plus, the blocking assignments will be more solid in season play.

The team had 3 days in between games, Allen said there was no game planning done and the play calling was held back. I think Knapp opened it up a bit on the 2nd drive of the game for the Raiders. I say the Offense looked really good on that drive, Palmer looks good with McFadden in there. Once Goodson came in, it was fumble city which set them up again....these things can be cleaned up and they will. It's the 2nd game of the preseason, no clown cars yet. Take a deep breath, it's cool.

Remember when Art was coach last time? Didn't the Raiders go undefeated that year in preseason 5-0? Just sayin.


4:39 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Regarding Carson Palmer.

It is only pre season, so no need to overreact. but lets consider.

Palmer is someone who walked away from a playoff team.

In his last season with Bengals, he threw 20 picks.

Palmer threw 16 picks in less then half a season with Raiders.

Palmer has started the pre season by....throwing more picks.

So I think it is fair to question where Palmers head is at.

To question his desire to play football at a high level anymore.

Palmer has walked out on his old team, and seems very unfocused with his new team.

I ask these question not to dump on Palmer, but because of what happened last year.

The Raiders were looking like a playoff team until Campbell went down.

Without Campbell, the Raiders were ill prepared at the QB position.

If Palmer gets hurt, or is ineffective, the Raiders have only Lienart, and Pryor to turn to.

So we have to wonder, are the Raiders any better off at the QB position this year ?

5:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Palmer has played 3 quarters in a new offense, 1 of those qrtrs was with a fumble machine (Goodson). In another, he had 2 TD passes dropped, excellent throws. Jacoby dropped them last game and DHB this game. His intercept last game could have been avoided if Ford had his head in the game. Let me guess, you are a 'stats guy'? How long before you are asking for Allen's head? If they don't win next week?


6:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Won't do any good to put on the blinders and pretend injury isn't our biggest issue going into this season....Just a reality that all Raider Fans need to deal with...But by all means close your eyes and pretend as you have throughout life!!!
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

#Raiders coach Dennis Allen said: "It looks like Jacoby’s going to miss a little bit of time" in regard to Ford's foot sprain.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Coach Allen said shoulder injury suffered by WR Darrius Heyward-Bey is "not serious
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

"Both of ‘em are going to be OK," Raiders coach Dennis Allen said in reference to RB Mike Goodson, QB Matt Leinart, who were injured Fri.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Coach Allen said, “I’m hoping to have both of them back this week,” when asked about injured RB Taiwan Jones and injured TE Brandon Myers.
Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

LB Aaron Curry has rejoined the Raiders, coach Allen said. Curry ran today and "looked pretty good," according to Allen. Curry has hurt knee

PantyRaider...Force Feeding What You Refuse To See!!!....LoL!!!/_

9:04 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Moore is the only injury that is a concern, Curry would be a nice addition if he can play. Myers coming back will put a TE out there with better hands.

Definitely need another RB, JONES ain't the answer there. If Curry can't come back, another LB is needed too.

Moore and Streater should be the starting WR's at this point, all things being equal. Myers TE, Ford or DHB #3.

Bergstrom is making noise at LG. Getting Wiz back at C would be a big plus too.

Defense is pretty much set with no real weakness with the starters. Get the O straightened out, get the Special teams tightened up...good to go.

How did your Broncos and Chargers do tonight? Manning, Rivers 2 pics each...the sky is falling...the West is going to be a shootout and the Raiders are going to be right there...should be a good time this year.


10:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A few minor injuries 2 weeks into preseason isn't the worst thing in the world. The only injury that concerned me was Curry and he seems to be ok.

What is important is the work the Raiders will do on the pracice field between now and the opener.

I expect the Raiders to tighten things up. I'm looking forward to the regular season. Personally, I don't get to vested in preseason results.

10:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Rookie management, rookie coaching staff, few draft picks (and only mid-late rounds) and limited resources for free agency.

Yet, in a window of at least the last 10 years, the Raiders have never been in better hands.

To follow some of the discussion above, I see Ford as a good option for slot receiver, along with Moore and Streater as starters, i.e., assuming Allen starts his best WRs.

6:51 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Assuming Ford -n- Moore are healthy enough to play???

Or did that slip past you??...Ford expected to be out "Missing a little time" and only hopeful of Moore's return in time for the regular season...

"J-Mac" reports:

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said an MRI revealed a sprained left foot on the same foot that Ford injured last season.

“It looks like Jacoby’s going to miss a little bit of time, don’t know exactly to what extent yet,” Allen said. “We’re still seeing where he’s at, but we did an MRI on his foot and we’ll see where he’s at.”

"RB"s are out that make up the depth/substitution behind "D-Mac" who has been made of Glass...

"LB" Curry...Unknown when he returns to play??

"DL" "ShawNasty" and Seymour continue to have injury problems...

"CB"s...Vets not yet completely healthy...

"C"...Wiz out for how long and NO depth is very damn evident...

So even if we could get them all in for week #1 how long are they going to hold up and who else is on the Virge of being bit by that same damn "Injury Bug"???

But go ahead...Close your eyes...As always!!!

PantyRaider...Knapp Sucks So Far!!!/_

2:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


The "Troll" got's Banned!!!..LoL!!

No wonder why your so damn angry!!!

Ha1 ha! ha! Ha! Ha!...I'm just laughin at cha!!!

Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

PantyRaider...Cause For Celebration In This new Era After all!!!/_

4:08 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Only a Bronco fan would say the new Raider OC sucks after two preseason games. Only a Chargers fan would keep posting minor injuries as if they were season long injuries.

You really have them confused over at that site, huh? Must be a real 'badge of honor' for you? Get help, a mind is an awful thing to's your buddy Del Rio doing? And your other old buddy Bill Cowher?


9:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I Pimped Bill Cowher but we ended up with "Denise The Menace" instead!!!

LoL!!!...Your "Madness" can't stay hidden and you knew what I was talking about you banned little "TROLL"!!!

Did you see the clarification on "Mr Jones" yet???....LoL!!...Your "Psycho Profile"!!!

LoL!!!....I'm laughin my ass off and we're all celebrating your loss!!

PantyRaider....And It Said Sorry Back To Football....NO!!...It's Just A Sorry Personality!!!/_

11:51 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The key players will be ready to roll when the REAL season begins. The Raiders are clearly a work in progress and that is to be expected. DA will lead our men up the competitive hill -- patience and progress.

1:30 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

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1:30 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Get help, WASTE.


8:13 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

...Take, it's getting bitter again, and it's only Preseason.

10:36 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Jets cut [Stephon] Heyer today.

Wasn't this guy part of a FA "splash" the Raiders were suggested to have made last year? He couldn't even stict to the Jets 90-man roster in preseason.

1:42 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The Raiders are going to be okay. Our offense is going to get the job done, and our defense is going to be better than last year, just because penalties (on both sides of the ball) will decrease for the first time in a long time; so we won't be shooting ourselves in the foot.

I will go as far to say that we more than likely are not going to get blown out the way we were last year in the last 5 games of the season (Week 13 on). We won only 1 of those games (Chiefs), and lost 1 of those games where we had a 4th Quarter lead (Lions). The other 3 losses in that 5 game span were blowout losses against the Dolphins, Packers, and Chargers.

I say we will be okay this year. If we go into the last 5 games with a 7-4 record, with a good lineup (like we did last season); I will bet money we won't end the season 8-8!

2:00 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

If McFadden doesn't stay healthy, we're mediocre, but improving. If Leinart becomes a threat and pushed Palmer, even better. I like the kicking game, but special teams are still forming up too... it might be a really strong year. I can't wait to beat Denver and San Diego. Pittsburgh will be the early "test" too... Go Oak.

4:49 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I wonder if Nnamdi wishes he had stayed in Oakland after last night's embarrassing implosion by the Eagles' defense?

Andy Reid has no control over that team; and he has overstayed as HC for 4+ years. Time for the Eagles to turn the page and move on. It appears there is going to be a mutiny.

Hey Nnamdi, you're always welcomed back in Oakland!

I still think we need a good vet back up. I listed a few that I am surprised are still Free Agents. My 2 options would be Gant or Torain. Torain is a work horse, and a grinder. The problem is, so is Goodson. Before his injury, he was tearing it up. I think this last week's game, he was still tenative after receiving a freaking neck injury. That's scary stuff.

I wouldn't count on Curry right now; and there is not a lot of LB's out there right now. Burris looks okay, but we still need someone with experience there. Merriman is available, but I don't think he has "it" anymore. Isaiah Ekejiubah is also available; and he might be a good back up to Burris, and someone who can teach him as well. Plus, he is an amazing Special Teams guy. Carl Ihenacho on the Strongside is going to be an amazing player, he's been blowing up in the preseason so far. Can't wait to see how he is going to pan out. He might be the underrated pick up of the offseason.

I also think Bergstrom has looked better than Carlisle, and Streater has looked better than Ford. Can't wait to see how Denarius is looking, and glad to have Tawain Jones back. Hopefully, they will get some action soon.

6:46 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

LoL!!...One -n- OUT!!...

Oh!!...da Horror!!1...da Horror!!

Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

“@banggorang: @corkonthenfl with all the injuries at wr should we look at plaxico or ride the ship? -- Call Plaxico now.
I was pimping Plax last season but not so sure I would now??...I think with Streater -n- Criner developing it may be better just to go with the young guys who still have a future...Plax's future is already "Past Tense"!!!

That "Injury Bug" is making a huge fuss already but I still think pulling the trigger on Plax may be too premature???

Lienart may be out for this preseason game...Saw some speculation on that...If so Pryor will get more reps which he needs to develop...But Palmer is our #1 and the only thing holding him back is the injuries to his "WR"s....Hard to get the reps when your weapons are on the bench!!

PantyRaider...Anyone Got's A Flyswatter???....Kill That "Injury Bug"!!!!/_

6:46 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd

Raiders go into regular-season media mode today at 11 a.m. _ practices closed with exception of stretching, warmups, a drill or two


My man Reggie is "Old School"...He understands how it's suppose to be in OakTown under that "Cone-o-Silence"!!!

PantyRaider...New Era Extension Of The Old!!!!/_

8:36 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Funny, media reports I've read (Corkran, McDonald, etc) made it sound like a huge weight had been lifted in terms of media and general public access to practices, as well as the Raiders' general attitude toward media. Gruden said on MNF that the Raiders even had a media reception tent at practices.

Night and Day!

Moreover, the Raiders are hardly unique in terms of limiting media access prior to the 3rd and most important preseason game (when some game planning will actually occur).

Nothing "old school" about it. That's simply how the NFL works!

9:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Now you opened your mouth again so I'm challenging you to show prof!~!!

"That's simply how the NFL works!"...Than you should have NO problem posting several examples there of...3rd preseason game...Your on the clock!!

PantyRaider....Tick-Tick-Tick...You Talk Yet!!!!/_

9:23 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 25 - Sims Picks a Pair

Day 25 of Cleveland Browns training camp was closed to the public, but the members of the media still got to see all of the action.

Well now that's one lost of the 30 left for your prof!!

PantyRaider....LoL!!...Just Trying To help You Out With Such A Difficult Task!!!!/_

10:32 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


In the past, that always was the policy. Closed practices once they returned to Alameda. The past doesn't apply any more

Oh!! No!!...Reggie Broke Tradition and closed out the "Mediot"s too early!!!....How can you deal with this???


10:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR - Your smug and self-righteous mannerism is played out here.

I believe you can read, so I'm sure you've read exactly what I'm referring to... you just choose to ignore the facts so you can rant your misguided perception about the Raiders sticking to Al Davis' outmoded way of doing business.

Also, if you watched the first preseason game you heard it directly from Gruden.

Before you rant more, perhaps you can tell the readers here if you actually watched the game against the Cowboys... Did you?

Both Gruden and Romanowski were discussing these obvious changes with how the Raiders interact with the media...

...lest, of course, you think you know more than Gruden and Romanowski on this topic.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders worked out Andre Carter today. That would be a HUGE pickup.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Carter would be another DL that will cause huge disruption for other teams, making it easier on the DB's. Adding Carter would make last years F.A. signings look like dogmeat. I would have to say that a Carter signing would be more proof that Oakland will be attracting talent like they USED TO way back in time and the Gruden 'era'.

Players want to play for an Org they can respect and a feel for a good chance of winning. I expect Reggie will sign a LB too, Allen said to the press that he wants a vet at that position and not Burris. Another RB and it's set.


8:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

LoL!!...I knew you were lurking in the "Shadows" as well...I have read you several times but just waited for you to make that dumb little slip!!!

"Before you rant more, perhaps you can tell the readers here if you actually watched the game against the Cowboys... Did you?"

So Mr Well informed just go ahead and post your perceived knowledge here...I'm NOT going to help you out of this "Spy Gate Troll"!!!

Mahopac, NY

PantyRaider....NO!!...That's A Lie!!!/_

8:53 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well as always if I'm wrong I make that correction....This is NOT as it has been in seasons past for the Raiders and NOT as it has been for most other teams either!!!

Raiders shift into regular season routine

"It's been great." Said Carson Palmer. "It gives you a chance to get a feel for just how organized everything's going to be for the in-season stuff. I've never done it this way before, having a full-on game plan week for a game. But it just gives you a chance to get your mind and really your body prepared for what the in-season schedule's going to be once the actual season hits. So it's really cool to get a feel for when meetings are going to be, how practice is going to be, what time in your day's going to be to get your workout in, stretch, whatever it may be. So it's just a good chance for everybody get kind of acclimated with the way the schedule's going to be in the regular season."

PanrtyRaider....Reggie/Allan Put Their Stamp On The New Era!!!!/_

1:02 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Oops? That’s it?

You crow like you're an expert while trashing other posters statements and opinions, only to find out you were wrong.

Here’s an idea, in keeping with the new mandate on this site, maybe instead of calling folks liars, you might show some decorum.

P.S., as I suspected, you did not watch the Cowboys game, or least have no clue what Jon Gruden and Bill Romanowski said about the changes the Raiders have made regarding the media.

The way the Raiders interact with (treat) the media is one of the most basic and obvious changes they’ve made. Some of the local beat writers have made this point numerous times.

5:30 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Obviously You Only See What You Want To See...Tunnel Vision Is BLINDNESS!!!

"This is NOT as it has been in seasons past for the Raiders and NOT as it has been for most other teams either!!!"

I can document my takes but your the one shooting from the hip without the slightest clue of reality and the documented LIAR!!!

As in:

" I'm sure you've read exactly what I'm referring to... you just choose to ignore the facts so you can rant your misguided perception"

NO...That's A LIE as I already posted!!!

And when it comes to the new Mandate it's you and your little buddy JONES getting agree and doing all the name calling and childish attack CRAP NOT me!!!

LoL!!...Now go back a take a look!!

PantyRaider....I'm Just Exposing You/Him Publicly!!!

5:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oh!!...Ya!!...I Forgot to mention the little notes I have left for you over there...LoL!!!...If you hadn't been there following me around you wouldn't have been so pissed and retaliative here after reading it!!!

LoL!!!...Your emotions give you away as does this:

"Before you rant more, perhaps you can tell the readers here if you actually watched the game against the Cowboys... Did you?"

Note: Whenever I watch games on line I never listen to the nerd "Mediot"s who do that play-by-play or the commentary...My audio is always tuned to this as has been posted for several seasons now:

PantyRaider....Tunnel Memory Is Also Blindness!!!/_

6:15 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Will Lienart Play or Will Pryor Take His Place???

Paul Gutierrez ‏@PGutierrezCSN

Leinart not taking snaps. Pryor taking 2nd team snaps. Caballero third team.

I Would rather Pryor get's the extra work because he needs it...

PantyRaider...My Boy Will Develop!!!/_

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Did you guys watch the Dennis Allen interview on the NFL Network?

Good! I like his answers and enthusiasm.


12:04 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Pre-Season game #3 will be a good gauge for the Raiders since the starters will play the majority of snaps, some game planning will be installed, and the coaching staff is treating it as a true run-in to te regular season.

I'm focused on the following in no particular order;

- how our CBs hold up in pass coverage
- watching LB Burris' game readiness to potentially start on day 1
- our pass rush/presure and blitzing
- improvements in the ST play
- our rookie WRs abilities to perform with the depth chart up for grabs
- run efficiency (offensively) and run D fits
- overall execution by individuals and units

6:27 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

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3:50 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Every fan wants to see improvement from Carson Palmer, and this will be a test to see if the Raiders actually have a backup for McFadden. I think they made a mistake trading for Goodson, and I don't think Jones is durable enough.

On the other side of the ball, it's dissappointing that Curry isn't healthy. He's losing valuable reps in practices and games.

After spending several years with the Raiders at the bottom of the league, I see the Lions as a more developed team right now. I'm looking for the Raiders to disprove that notion. However, it is preseason and the Raiders probably should stay vanilla, despite the reports Allen is "game planning."

4:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"I thought we had a chance to get better," Allen said. "Our guys worked extremely hard. We still have a long way to go and a lot of things we need to improve on, but I thought it was a good foundation to build on."

Here’s what I feel this game needs to show me:

1st and foremost that Allan/Tarver are able to come in with a Scheme/Gameplan that puts our “D” in a position to make plays against that Lyons “O”…That this week they show the ability to gameplan for a team and have our players ready to play in it…Allan coached against that Lyon last season as “DC” in the “MuleValley” so has some familiarity…But if the plan is bad the players will appear bad as well!!!

2nd I want to see by the 2nd quarter that some adjustments are being made to slow down the areas where that Lyon is making gains against us…Here again unless the proper actions are being taken by these coaches our players will not be allowed to shine…

Than on the “O” the same things apply to Knapp!!!…This is the Biggie!!!

Can Knapp come into this game with a gameplan to take advantage of that Lyon “D” and have his players prepared to play within it???…These players don’t decide this for themselves and are limited by the designs they play under…So now the bulk of this is where it should be…Right on Knapp’s shoulders…

Next can Knapp make adjustments to that gameplan as the game wears on taking advantage of what their “D” gives him???…In the past this is where Knapp has failed so miserably in my opinion and just fallen back on what he trusts most…Run-Run-run!!!

PantyRaider...Work In Progress And Prolley A very Slow Start!!!/_

4:39 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I don't want to see McClain covering Calvin Johnson. I want to see improvement from Palmer in his ability to control the ball, and make better decisions.
I also want to see what the backup RBs can do without McFadden. If we end up lame with them in the lineup, then we need to bring in a vet like Gant or Torain.

9:21 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I want to see McClain planting the QB on his ass, while someone else is covering Johnson. I want to see Knapp open it up (somewhat)and give Palmer confidence heading into the season. I want to see the TE being used in passing situations. I want another RB and I'm sure Reggie will pick up a late cut to fill that spot.

I want the Defense to continue their improvement and not show anything to complicated (save it for the season). I want to see Bartell make a couple of plays so his confidence will be there Game 1. I think Reggie will pick up a late cut LB as well, Curry ain't going to make it. I sthat enough I's yet?


2:25 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Improvement across the board. Raiders brought a little something tonight.

7:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Streater, Jones, and Wheeler stood out for me.

10:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"I would be an outright liar if I said I expected to see the "PO"s this season"…

I Would Be A "LIAR" Now If I Said We Didn't!!!

I will go back and break down all those points I was making before this game and what I said they had to show me because I have been shown!!!

“DA”/Tarver made those adjustments to what was working for the Lyons….They started containing their running “QB” so he could no longer do damage…

Knapp had his team prepared to play against the Lyons “D” and he took advantage of what they gave him…

The “OL” has some breakdowns in protection but also opened some good running lanes for “D-Mac” and “TJ”….Outside was always open…"QB"s had time in the pocket to go threw their progressions…

These “D” coaches are doing a fine job as well as the “O” coaches who are bringing along Pryor….

Than considering that this game was without a few key players and should be even better:

In the trenches no Seymour or Wiz @ "DT"/"C"...

@ "LB" no Curry..

@ "WR" no Moore -n- Ford...

LoL!!…What a difference 6 hrs makes…I said “Show me Something” and they did!!!

PantyRaider...Finally Reason To have Hope!!!!/_

1:42 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I'm Pryor's Pimp and damn proud of it!!!

Al's last draft pick will live on to Greatness in time!!

This will give me 2 of 3 for boasting!!!

OK!!...Pimping "JeBustus" is sooo Humiliating!!!

But "D-mac" -n- Pryor will make me proud!!!

PantyRaider...Across The Raider Nation Doubters Are Becoming Believers!!!/_

1:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angelic Raider

Looks like we can build on this victory!!!! Man Palmer looks bad sometimes...get your sh!t together broham! Go Raiders!!!

9:40 AM  
Blogger bazjoz said...

PALMER IS SCARY!!!... yes he put together a decent drive, but doesn't seem to be getting at all comfortable in Knapp's system, and the only deep threat coming from him at present is an interception... starting to think 'don't do it' instead of 'go for it', when he looks downfield. This is our guy and this was his half to show us he's all over it and in control... I didn't get that feeling.

There were many bright spots and a few clangers everywhere else in the team's performance... but suddenly the biggest question is not will Pryor improve but will Palmer. I'm hoping his game kicks up a notch when Moore and Hall return, but last night Criner and Streater were no slouches, so go figure...

11:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Talkin About Injury!!'s Doing Their Best To Injure Our Raider Image!!!

Through three games, no Charger has more than 50 yards rushing, and as a team, the Chargers are 31st in rushing yards per game (66.3) and dead last in rushing yards per play (2.4).

The Chargers have been notoriously slow starters under Norv Turner, but that’s no reason to rush Mathews back before he’s fully ready. Even without Mathews, they can get by the Raiders and a Tennessee Titans team that will have Jake Locker making his first NFL start.

PantyRaider....Now Them’s Fight’en Words!!!!//_

7:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

If Pryor plays Thursday the way he played against the Lions, fans might become a little uneasy if Palmer gets off to a slow start.

That said, he's not even close to being NFL ready, per coaches, observers, media and common sense. As DA stated, the best he can do is continue to improve.

Short term (this year), I think Pryor can do for the Raiders anything that Tebow can do for the Jets, and with greater natural ability. Not sure either one ever becomes a starting NFL QB, though... unless of course the Raiders plan to implement the option play as part of their regular offense.

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

As I stated before. Terelle Pryor will be starting QB by mid season.

Pryor is a hard worker, who will continue to get better.

People that are saying Pryor is "years away", are totally misreading the situation.

Pryor is a double threat, who can pass, and run.
Once he learns this new offense, there will be no stopping him.

Meanwhile, Palmer looks like he is sleepwalking through the games.

Matt Lienart ? A solid backup, but his candy arm keeps him from starting.

Terelle Pryor, the final gift from Al Davis.

Thank you Al.

4:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

To me, it would be remarkable if Pryor becomes a reliable #2 QB by 2013.

He showed off his considerable athletic abilities and good progress in 1/2 of an exhibition game vs. #2s. It is a start but I would read too much into it in terms of being NFL ready yet.

The key is for Pryor to keep grinding, learning, and taking consistent steps forward in his craft.

It is far premature to consider opening up the final gift from Al Davis.

6:19 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

00...dare to put a wager on that? Maybe it is you who is "misreading the situation"? Palmer is sleepwalking? Raiders were close to DBL the possession time after the 1st half as they were in Arizona. He is putting up some nice drives...Pryor has a ways to go, he made some nice plays, he will still be #3 on opening day. Many poor things will have to happen before he see's the field. But, Pryor showed a glimpse of what he could become and if he continues to impress, then good on Mr.Davis.


6:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Palmer will be fine. He is a veteran, competent, professional. I have complete confidence that Palmer will be ready to go for MNF and the 2012 season.

9:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders sign Roscoe Parrish after being released by S.D

2nd Rd Pick "05"...

Height: 5 ft 9 in Weight: 175 lb
Receptions 134
Receiving yards 1,502
Total Return Yards 1,622
Total Touchdowns 11

"CP3" is our unquestioned #1 but should anything happen to him we need to be fully prepared....Leinart is well...Leinart and has never been able to prove himself on the field...My boy Pryor is raw but capturing the hearts of the Raider Nation and I'm damn glad of that but he's NOT ready yet...

This is what I feel needs to be done now...Rest Palmer -n- Leinart while giving Pryor this last preseason game in it's entirety...

Why??...Because "CP3" -n- Leinart already know this "O" and will get their reps with the 1st team all season long in practice...Pryor won't unless there's an injury and needs all the work he can get now so he's ready if we ever need to rely upon him this season...

PantyRaider....Specialty Packages Are On The Way!!!!!//_

10:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

OO Said: "Pryor is a double threat, who can pass, and run."

So is Vince Young, and the Bills just dumped him.

4:18 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Some observations and concerns heading into the season, and hopefully, against the Seahags we will see some improvement:

Carson has to quit throwing interceptions. I don't get why more QBs don't learn from Gannon (look other wr-look other wr-look and hit the hot route).

Defenses today follow the QBs eyes, and that is what made Gannon excel at knowing the playbook. He knew and trusted his WRs to be where they were supposed to, and did not need to rely on his eyes to tell him where the WRs would be. Palmer, Pryor, and Leinart need to learn this trait from Gannon (now that he's welcomed back to Oaktown).

Backup RB. We need someone to step up and run the ball when McFadden is not in the lineup. This is where I wanted Benson, but he wanted too much, and wanted a lot of touches; which is why he went to GB (and a shot at a ring). Can't say that I blame him there. But Joseph Addai was released by the Pats. I know he hasn't been healthy, but he would be an awesome back up. Ryan Gant is still listed as a UFA on, Jerious Norwood, Chester Taylor, Ryan Torain, and Derrick Ward are all still available as well that would make decent backups.

Other names that may not be bad to look at: Bo Scaife was released by New England as TE. Bryant McFadden was released by Pittsburgh.

I think the only reason why we real in Roscoe Parish was to get an inside scoop at what the Dunder Dolts are going to do.

Keep an eye out on the waivers for a OLB (I think it would be cool to give Merriman a try). I don't think Curry makes the final 53, but will be put on IR soon. I will be interested to see if we give TO or Chad Johnson a look. That would be awesome to pick either one up at Vet minimum.

Overall, I'm still excited for this season. It is ours for the taking. JUST WIN, BABY!

7:15 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Nate...kind of hard for Palmer to gain that trust when the WR's are never in the lineup. The only one Palmer trusts at this point seems to be Streater. Just say no to Ocho and TO, they are done and out of the picture. Merriman is toast to. There will be some talent available after the final cuts.

I agree with another RB, Goodson isn't good enough, Jones is just a kid who should not be depended on as the #2 back.


7:48 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Bo Scaife was released by New England as TE"

We need "TE" help and he was a target last season...

I don't think "RB" is much of an issue at this point..."CB" prolley is???..."LB" could be as well??...

But the "OL" is way too thin @ "C" and our new "RG" is getting blown up!!!..."RT"???....Unless one of the young players can step up we need attention on that unit!!!

For the record:

1. The Raider's final regular season record
2. Offensive prediction
3. Defensive prediction
4. Grab your balls prediction

My Reply:

I Reserve The Right To Be Slightly Hopeful If Not All In Yet!!!

10-6 as always…That’s the minimum to be AFCW Champs or win a “Wild Card”….Allot of hope in that one!!!

“CP3” top 10 “QB”…“D-Mac” top 5 “RB”….Knapp gets a pat on the back for NOT collapsing??…Well if this goes to shit than an Al Saunders take over at the Bye!!!

Top 10 “D”….# 1 Sacks…Slightly vulnerable threw the air but strong against the run!!!

Terrelle Pryor will emerge as the greatest “Slash” the NFL has ever seen!!!

PantyRaider....10-n-6 Was A Reach!!!!//_

8:21 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate - easier said than done. Gannon had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice to throw to.

Also, I'd prefer to stay away from the older RBs...

IMO, L Miller is the better choice over Goodson, and perhaps could fill the void for short yardage, which Allen thinks McF is best suited.

8:46 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NYRaider, it is easier said than done, but it is still doable; regardless of who is WR.

PR, here are my predictions:
1. 11-5
2. Offensive prediction: ranked #13 overall, #1 rushing, #16 in passing.
3. Defensive prediction: ranked #9 overall, #12 rushing, #1 passing.
4. Raiders make AFC Championship or Super Bowl; McFadden League MVP.

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

OO Said: "Pryor is a double threat, who can pass, and run."

So is Vince Young, and the Bills just dumped him.

Vince Young never established himself as an above average passer.
Plus, he suffered from bouts of depression.

Terelle Pryor has a warrior mentality. When he loses, he doesn't get sad, he gets mad. I like that.

Look, I'm not saying when Pryor finally gets on the field in games that count, he will be an instant star.

No. He will have struggles. Make mistakes. Have growing pains.

But there will also be great passes, runs, and leadership mixed in.

This "years away" thinking is old.

Things move very quickly in the NFL these days.

Reggie, and DA are not wedded to Palmer. They are not the ones that went out and gave up a #1,and a #2 to get him. And they never would have.

I believe at some point this season, Reg, and DA are going to realize the future is now.

They are going to look down that bench and see Leinart and Pryor.

If they want a bandaid, they will play Leinart.

If they want the future, it will be Pryor.

Who would you choose ??

12:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I would dearly love to see Pryor as our starter but also feel he's not yet ready and better served to develop for another season and perhaps get his shot next season...

In the meantime I can see him in on several specialty packages as the "Slash" so we still get production out of his talents this season...He's definitely the most exciting player on that field...Well than there's also "D-Mac"/Moore/Reece/Ford/Criner/Streater/Palmer -n-_______ Too!!

PantyRaider....Damn we have an exciting roster!!!!//_

Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL

Would not be surprised to see the #Raiders bring in veteran tight end Chris Cooley for a look-see, assuming he gets cut today, as reported.

1:36 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I am 100% in favor of playing the best players. If those players turn out to be draft picks, free agents or fringe players, so be it. It's ALL about winning.

That said, I trust Dennis Allen's assessment of Pryor, that he is not ready and merely a work in progress. Meanwhile, Palmer is as close to an elite QB as the Raiders have had since Gannon won League MVP in 2002.

It's not fair to gauge Palmer on limited play in a few preseason games. He's a pro. Palmer may surprise a few people this year.

3:15 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Agree NYR about Palmer.

I think many Raider fans are judging Palmer too harshly, without perspective for a handful of errors in preseaon games.

No question Palmer needs to cut down on his # of INTs due to poor decisions. He needs to be more aware of how detrimental it is to turn the ball over.

I also think that Palmer will eventually benefit from having 6 WRs (once alll healthy) who can all do damage (Moore, Ford, DHB, Criner, Streater, Parrish)

7:17 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Sorta doubt Parrish sees much time at "WR" unless we have "Injury Bug" Fly Byes??...He's only been a 35/400yd receiver at best...Most likely just a "PR"/"KR" and we keep 7 "WR"s...

Eddie McGee continues to be listed @ #2 on our Depth Chart behind "DHB" so obviously they want him to step up...Criner is #3...

Than there's also Reece/"D-Mac" who line up outside as well so if this team can stay healthy there are already plenty of weapons in the passing game...

"TE" appears to be the weakest link???

Than There's This???

Raiders | Coye Francies claimed

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:21:17 -0700

The Oakland Raiders claimed CB Coye Francies off waivers from the Seattle Seahawks Tuesday, Aug. 28, according to a source.

All I can find out is that he was a "PR" @ Oregon???

NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 6 / Pick: 191
Height: 6 ft Weight: 185 lb
4.63 40
7 Tackles

PantyRaider....Go Figure!!!!//_

9:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Although Parrish's primary responsibilites will be punt returner, he is a very capable slot WR. It doesn't hurt (no pun intended) to have more depth at this position when you consider that Moore, Ford, and DHB have been dinged up this preseason and our other 2 WRs are rookies. Keep in mind that Parrish has more NFL game expereince than almost our entire WRs have combined. I wouldn't discount the added benefit of having a veteran presence for our young WRs to learn a thing or 2 from him.

10:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

If Parrish who's also coming off injury himself (Broken Ankle) makes the final cut???...He's a rather smaller (20#'s) slower (0.1 Sec) version of Ford....

"ran a 4.37s 40-yard dash"

In the old days teams would line up 2 returners deep so you wouldn't know who was returning and ran allot of reverses...A "Jacoby/Roscoe" tandem could be something very special???

Catch That Damn Ball...LoL!!!

PantyRaider....The Dream Team!!!/_

1:29 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

True - Parrish still needs to prove himself and make the 53 man final roster.

My point was that there is potentially real value in signing him as far as a low cost player who can be our primary return man, provide veteran expereince and knowledge, and depth.

Criner - 0 NFL games
Streater - 0 NFL games
Moore - 13 games / 33 receptions
Ford - 24 games / 44 receptions
DHB - 41 games / 99 receptions
Parrish - 77 games / 134 receptions

6:53 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

This game doesn't mean anything, but it's discouraging to see the Raiders get completely handled by the Seahawks. If the success of our run defense hinges on a couple players that didn't play tonight, we are in big trouble.

And Matt Leinart is absolutely awful.

8:46 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

On a couple of players that didn't play tonite? You mean the starting Defense? They played 1 series. They have to cut 20 something players, that's what this game was about. Seahags spanked all the other teams this preseason...what does it mean come opening day? NADA. What is important is getting them together and ready for Monday night. I liked Allen's reaction to tonite though, setting the bar high.

I think
I will quote George Atkinson in relation to Lienart, "soft".


10:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones, it was a complete domination from start to finish, and the Raiders played plenty of players that they will count on during the season. They were handled by the Seahawks 2nd and 3rd teamers.

Not exactly a feel-good game to prime for the season opener.

Based on what I saw, the Raiders should cut an extra 10-12 players and watch the Seahawks waiver wire.

4:45 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Leinart is who we knew he was...An NFL Failure!!!...There are prolley many many reasons for this but the end result is the same and if you recall I was NOT impressed with having him as our #2 "QB"...Some of you were beating your chests over it!!!

Meanwhile my boy Pryor is slowly emerging as our best option at #2 but he's not ready yet...As you'll remember some of your takes were that he hasn't a rats ass of a chance in hell....Well what we saw tonight is HELL!!!

Pryor was one of the very few bright spots in this entire game and that wasn't very bright...

Pass 6/9 55yds
Rush 2/9yds while running for his life!!!

As for Roscoe...LoL!!...But He Still make This Team...

Some "D" backups made an argument to stay...

Few "O" backups make any argument at all...

Knapp what the hell was that???

"STC"??...Do we even have one???

PantyRaider....Can We Trade For A New "OC"/"STC"!!!!//_

4:57 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Hope Reggie Has More Than 22 Cuts And gets Us Some Quality Help....We Really Need It!!!

This is where he has to shine….This is now going to be the draft he never had…He gets to pick from about 680 players….1/4 of which are better than what we’ve got!!!….


Than “DA” and his coaches will need to give them a crash course in our schemes/formations to have them ready week #1 or after….But we desperately need much better depth that what we now have….

PantyRaider....The Raiders Are On The Clock!!!!//_

5:52 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Really NYR? Who were those players? 4th game of the preseason is not for "priming for the opener". It's a final evaluation for those on the 'bubble'. Once again, what does it mean in terms of the standings? = NADA.

If the team comes out and gets dominated in the Reg season like that, ok, there are problems. It's preseason, the 4th game which is always garbage time. The 3rd game is the closest to a real game and they looked fine. Obviously, it was pure vanilla in the play calling and Seattle knew it. It is what it is, doesn't mean a damn thing.


8:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The season clock doesn't start until 9/10. I get it. But it wasn’t fun to watch.

Based on this vanilla meaningless game, the Seahawks demonstrated far better depth, and they appear more adept at some of the things that separate good teams from avg teams, e.g., forcing turnovers, and little things like hurrying to the LOS when call on the field benefits them on a challengeable play.

Mitchell had an easy INT-turned-PI when he played the WR instead of playing the ball in zone coverage. Maybe that's a carryover from playing all M2M up to this point in his career.

Eh! Whatever. Let the real games begin!

10:33 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Mitchell...he makes a couple of plays, then he dummies up on a couple of plays. To busy trying to lay the wood instead of making a football play (pick). Carry over from the past, a player who is a good athlete, can make some good plays, but lacks the 'football intelligence'. A 2nd rd pick that will be a career backup.

I saw some young talent trying to find their way, against a little more experienced 2nd/3rd stringers. Once the Reg season starts, those guys won't be on the field, other than some special team play. Special teams (returns) is the big worry IMO. Return turnovers kill a team, that needs to get straightened out ASAP.


1:39 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Also....all the years I have been watching football, there are a maybe a handful of preseason games that would be catergorized as "fun to watch". Years ago, they wouldn't even televise the preseason and it was 6 games long and not even worth watching. Last night, listening to the Seattle crowd go nuts over a game 4 preseason game...just a little over the top IMO.

They think they are going to win the SB in Seattle because they crushed some teams in preseason. They are going to have a QB controversy in just a few weeks, this preseason will be quickly forgotten.

Watching the NFL network is just pure insanity. The mental masterbation is unbearable, they hype the preseason and everyone loses focus on what the preseason means = NADA. Monday night, 9/10, all the guessing will come to an end, some meat and potatoes, the butterflies will be stirring....lets get it on (Mills Lane).


1:56 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Here's a list of who I'd cut:
Roscoe Parrish
Eddy Carmona
Marquette King
Derek Carrier
Aaron Curry (IR)
Brandon Underwood
Curtis Taylor
Hall Davis
Dominique Hamilton
Conroy Black
Lonyae Miller
Brandon Carswell
Kyle Efaw
Tory Humphrey
Nick Howell
Colin Miller
Kevin Haslam
Dan Knapp
Zach Hurd
Mike Goodson
David Ausberry

I know it is more than what we needed to trim, but Tim Hightower has been cut by the Deadskins!!!! Let's make room to bring him aboard by cutting Goodson.


2:39 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


I hope that Raiders keep Ausberry -- he is a tremendous athlete with huge upside as a TE.

As far as preseason game #4:

I don't put a lot of stock in this game but was more concerned with potential injuries to key backups.

Looking forward to a NEW season where all teams are 0-0 and where each snap counts. I'm truly excited about our defense catching opponents off-guard and making a postive impact on the only thing that matters -- wins or losses.

8:18 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"potential injuries to key backups"....LoL!!!

Weren't you the one in denial that "Injuries" would be our biggest concern going into this season saying it's just part of the game??...Now it's what your most concerned about??...

There will be a ton of "Take" reversals before it's all said and done...I can guarantee you that!!!


Losing Bush

This list will definitely grow as the season reviles it's reality!!!

PantyRaider....When I Posted Slow Start I Didn't Mean That Damn Slow!!!!//_

9:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Reggie Makes Moves To get To "53":

08/31/2012 Placed LB Aaron Curry on Physically Unable to Perform list

08/31/2012 Released WR Roscoe Parrish

08/31/2012 Placed TE Tory Humphrey, P Marquette King and CB Brandon Underwood on Injured Reserve

08/31/2012 Waived LB Kaelin Burnett, K Eddy Carmona, WR Derek Carrier, WR Brandon Carswell, DE Hall Davis, TE Kyle Efaw, DT Dominique Hamilton, G Kevin Haslam, T Nick Howell, LB Chad Kilgore, T Dan Knapp, WR Eddie McGee, C Colin Miller, RB Lonyae Miller, WR Tray Session, LB Nathan Stupar and SS Curtis Taylor

08/29/2012 Placed OL Zach Hurd, FB Rashawn Jackson, and OL Ed Wang on Injured Reserve

Expect More Soon!!!

PantyRaider...So Much To Do So Little Time!!!!/_

9:31 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Is the crow squawking again? What injuries? Pryor is still the #3 QB. Nobody said Lienart was the next Ken Stabler, he is a #2 QB, that's why he is in Oakland, to be a #2. Couldn't afford to keep Bush because of your idol's overspending habits. A RB who gets cut can fill those shoes that Bush wore. Champs...let me guess, you are picking the Broncos? Agent orange?


9:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Been Kicked Off Every Other Board You post on except here and Cork's Live thread....Right JONES/The COACH/Terrell Randal/MileHighRaiderFan/Tatum Time/Rod $$/truraider4life/Raderdanger but still trying to fool in your Darrrkness/SpinalRemains/thanation20/jaboom/Silver_Surfer/Mr. Exclamation "ID"s and more but you just can't hide from yourself no matter how hard you try!!!

That stench will always follow you around!!!

No go back and look at the "New Mandate" that you now in violation off again!!!

The "TROLL" only loves Disruption -n- Turmoil without the slightest logical input to anything!!!

Get Behind Me Satan!!!

PantyRaider....Oral (*0*) Masturbation Is Your Game!!!!!//_

1:43 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oh Ya!!!....How did it go when you followed that "Troll" "The Bolt" back to his board???

Vaporized the 1st post!!!....LoL!!!

1:47 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Obviously the crow is a mental case as well...way off base, blackbird. Only in your imagination am I any of those posters...I would say it is a much bigger probability that those are your aliases, right Agent Orange? Talk about someone's game being exposed, caw crow, caw.


8:09 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Your Oral (*0*) Masturbation -n- Lies won't cover over what has already been documented!!!

By your own admission you followed me there and continued to spam your ignorance....So as I already posted to you:

I have NO interest nor do I ever post anything to you other than occasional replies at your very childish attempts to create disturbances like some putrid snotty nosed fat kid in kindergarten!!!

I leave you to suffer threw your own childish psyche void as always....ALONE!!!!

PantyRaider....The Troll Patrol!!!!//_

8:42 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

Preseason ball shouldn't even be televised, but enough advertisers know enough people will actually watch scrimmages. Duh! Not I. It's an outsiders view of an insider's puzzle... relax people.

9:47 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Pure as the driven slush, aren't you? I didn't follow you there, I saw you there when I checked out that site and I saw the contradictions you were posting there as compared to here. How you mocked predictions of an AFC West title here and you yourself predicted a West title if Palmer met certain stats, at that site.

As far as what has already been documented, evidence from this site shows you to be a complete lunatic who has no idea what reality is. Over and over you have proven a basic lack of knowledge when writing about the Raiders.

How many times did you write that the Raiders Defensive scheme was no different than the rest of the league? How many times did you write that the Defense was different from back in the 70's, 80's, 90's right up until last year? It's all been put in the open now that you were completely WRONG, as usual.

How many times over the years did you blame the players for stabbing the coaches in the back as the reason for losing? How many times did you blame coaches for stabbing Mr.Davis in the back? How many times did you mock the 'new' way of the Raiders this offseason? THIS is all documented....Agent orange is the liar and the maker of many names, that is very well documented, have a nice day Mr. Alias.


9:48 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I here your pain...

But some things are very well exposed in these preseason games and translate to the regular season...

Like that to this point we have the #4 "D" in the preseason...#3 Passing...#10 Rush....

So how will this translate to the regular season???....A damn site better than what we had last season for damn sure!!!...Prolley no where's near top 5 but possibly top 10???

Conversely our "O" is #21...Pass #26...Rush #16 but that was mostly on the legs of our #1 rusher...Pryor...LoL!!

So how does that compare to that #9 "O" that we fielded last season???....Slow...Very damn slow progress and especially regarding our "OL" transition back to the "ZBS"...

"ST"s....LoL!!...#32 and if you don't think we have some serious problems on that unit than _______!!!

So as I pimped early on:

Slow Start While Gaining Momentum As The Season Goes On...Hopefully At The Bye??

But as it looks today our "D" may be pleasantly ahead of schedule???

PantyRaider....NOT Just All Smoke -n- Mirrors!!!!//_

10:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Preseason stats? Really?

If preseason stats are meaningful, the Raiders defense has instantly gone from bottom of the league to top of the league by simply changing from AL's defense to Dennis Allen's defense... despite significantly downgrading the secondary.

Like there's any doubt the Raiders defensive scheme under AL was that bad; it was.

11:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Depth acquisition begins: Raiders reportedly sign OT Willie Smith

The 6' 6", 310 lbs offensive tackle with 2 years of NFL experience signed by the Redskins as a UDFA out of East Carolina. Smith started the few games for Washington last season.

PantyRaider....So It Begins....Go Reggie!!!!//_

11:46 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I don't see the secondary downgraded at all. It's been improved, Routt sucked, Johnson or whoever it was on the otherside, isn't even in the league. I think the Raiders are very strong at Safety, they will be getting picks this year.

As far as using preseason stats as a standard for the Reg season....Agent Orange shows once again that it really doesn't know squat, continues to antagonize. Agent Orange, doing it's 'duty'.


11:52 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

NYR....Obviously your a "Switch Hitter" here!!!

"despite significantly downgrading the secondary"

When I posted letting Routt walk was a mistake you thought he was expendable and later that the replacements coming off injury were upgrades!!!

And lets not forget it was you who wanted to inform this board that I was unable to watch that Dallas game...Only way you knew that was to have been on that other site when I posted it was being blacked out in Thailand....Which means your Spying and Posting just like your buddy/Shadow JONES!!!...Than pretending to not understand that whole "Troll" thing....RIGHT!!!

Hell....Maybe your even one and the same the way you slob each others nobs!!!!

Still can't post a single thing about this team without it being a slam on the late Al Davis....Your disrespectful "HateTrip" is SICK!!!

PantyRaider....Nothing Worthwhile To Contribute!!!//_

12:54 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Injuries are a part of the game for ALL 32 teams in the NFL.

Which players get injured (a #1 QB or a backup LB) and at what point in the season, how much time a player misses due to an injury, how well does a team cope with injuries are uncertain.

12:57 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"uncertain"....That's the whole point!!!

Trying to make legitimate projections now about what this team will be is beyond difficult even after having a coaching staff in place and a roster almost set...

So making all those premature predictions of "CHAMPS" and so forth were really absurd at the time...We didn't even have a single assistant coach yet nor any info on what our roster would look like...If players would be back healthy...Nothing was known...Just total "Uncertainty"!!!

Hell I have already slightly altered my perception of our "D" while still questioning how it will perform under assault by "SD" Monday Night...Will they be playing together as a single unit or still showing signs of mistrust and confusion???...I have no doubt that the "DC" will be much improved but he's not playing in this game...

I seriously doubt our "OL" at this point thus questioning our overall "O"...If the Run game is lacking Palmer will find himself under assault and prolley battered!!!...We can't afford that with Leinart as our #2 and Pryor far from ready...That's a serious concern!!!

PantyRaider....The Autumn Winds Will Soon Clear The Air!!!!//_

1:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

More News As It Happens:

Nathan Stupar ‏@thenastynate54

Update: I signed with the Raiders for their practice squad this morning #RaiderNation

Levi Damien ‏@LeviDamien

RT @Barnavicious: @LeviDamien Keenan Clayton claimed? -- that's the word. Not made official yet.

Keenan Clayton ‏@Keenanclayton57

Now on to my next step in my journey. Going to the West Coast to be a part of #RaiderNation #blessed #GOG

1:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"The Raiders Saturday signed their first four players to the team's 2012 practice squad. LB Kaelin Burnett, WR Brandon Carswell, WR Travionte Session and LB Nathan Stupar have been added to the practice squad after being waived in Friday's active-roster reduction to 53 players."

PantyRaider....Reggie's On A Roll Now!!!//_

1:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Agent Orange, what are the chances of the Raiders winning the West, this 2012 season (not 2013 as Agent Orange earlier stated as this years official season)? The Raiders are as good as any other team in the division, so why wouldn't you pick the Raiders to win the West? And if you are going to make your prediction now, instead of waiting till midseason "till da fog cleers", who would you pick to win the West? I'm betting you will pick Denver because you love the big name MANNING and your "buddy" Del Rio is a coach there, am I right?

But Agent Orange, you have so many questions....why is it someone has so many questions? It's because they DO NOT KNOW. Or, they are a fan of another team.


2:23 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Which means your Spying and Posting just like your buddy/Shadow JONES!!!"

Spying? LOL, when you post on the internet, a chat becomes public, what a fruitcake.


2:34 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

The O-line is basically the same roster with 1 addition, why don't you just say you hate the zone blocking because Mr.Davis didn't like it? When McFadden was running the ball this preseason, I saw big gains, I saw Palmer getting time, your "serious doubt" is unfounded, as usual.

Defense has been upgraded in talent and scheme from last year, the ingame coaching will be far superior. Does it look like Allen will accept a slow start from the Defense?

If the nucleus of this team could go 8-8 the last 2 years, then that nucleus is going to do better this year. With just that small deduction, you can easily say the Raiders have a very good shot at winning the West.


2:55 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Reggie is cutting and signing...hope he can land a RB.


4:10 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

There will always be uncertainty about the impact injuries might have on a team ... and your point is?

Nothing absurd about my prediction for the Raiders winning the AFC West.

My belief is based on a team that will be tougher, more accountable, disciplined, and better coached.

It is based on an improved dynamic, aggressive defense that is no longer playing a predictable, vanilla set.

It is based on Palmer having a full camp and McFadden at his disposal.

It is based on a strong new management team leading the team in the right direction.

You got a problem with that PR than take it up with one of your Donkey troll buddies.

Oakland Raiders = 2012 AFC West Champs!

5:51 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"I don't see the secondary downgraded at all."

Agreed. However, arguably it was downgraded because Al Davis covetted his CBs... and first we lost Nnamdi, then we lost Routt, who Davis ultimately chose over Asomugha for $$ reasons that I still can't figure out.

I have long been in favor of bringing in more "pedestrian" CBs and playing zone....

5:53 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"When I posted letting Routt walk was a mistake you thought he was expendable and later that the replacements coming off injury were upgrades!!!"

I've not changed that opinion... which included a new defensive scheme.

And you complained that signing Spencer and Bartell were bad moves because of their injuries last year.

Do Spencer and Bartell show any lingering effects from injury? McKenzie demonstrated incredible insight in signing these guys at tremendous value (sign of a great GM).

IMO, if only one of these guys steps up and becomes a solid CB for us, McKenzie is a genius.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Unless Nnamdi has a good year, he can't be considered a proven top CB. They never threw his way, the other side was always much easier to pick apart. IMO, if he struggles this year, no way he should have been paid the money he was by both the Raiders and Eagles.

Routt, just because he got big money, doesn't mean he was a big time player, so if you put Bartell's work in the NFL vs Nnamdi...I would take Spencer over Routt, especially for this Defense. Mr.Davis paid big money and got little returns. How many times did we see that scenario? And you could still say it about Seymour.

At this point, Reggie is working on less money and bigger returns.

I just want to see the Raiders return to being a dominate force in the NFL. From the Day Mark Davis hired Reggie McKenzie, I felt this team will come back and be a force again. Am I 100% convinced, no, but I sure see improvement from the top down and that's all we can ask for. Get behind it and bring home the wins. The old way was tired and worn, couldn't endorse it, it had to change, but the Raiders will always be Al's team.


6:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Turns out I was right that the Raiders should watch the Seahawks waiver wire after the shellacking Thurs night.

Raiders acquired DB Phillip Adams from Seattle.

In a more curious move, Raiders released cornerback Chimdi Chekwa to sign Adams.

Chekwa was a fourth-round pick in 2011. This is a move that Al Davis would never make. Fast DBs used to be scholarship players through at least their initial contract.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Bobby Carpenter was cut by New England. He would be a good addition for OLB.

Still wanting to hear a RB (Hightower) being signed as well.

6:41 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Mr.Davis paid big money and got little returns... And you could still say it about Seymour."

Absolutely. Seymour needs to really step up his game this year to bring value to the trade AL made to get him.

IMO, Raiders have the talent and depth on their roster to replace Seymour.

6:42 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Curious why we would release Bryan McCann, who was the only healthy Raider who can field a punt.

Rock Cartwright was released by SF. He was a standout special teamer for the Raiders...

6:51 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Guess they are counting on Moore and or Ford to be returning on Monday. Can use that roster spot for someone else?


8:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


The "Troll Buddies" are what you hold hands with here!!!

Now stop moving your "Rubber Walls"!!!..

You had NO idea what this would be in "Dec/Jan when you made that "CHAMPS" prediction....None of this was in place and all we had was a new "GM" and a rookie "HC"....Period!!!

"team that will be tougher, more accountable, disciplined, and better coached"

"improved dynamic, aggressive defense that is no longer playing a predictable, vanilla set"

"strong new management team leading the team in the right direction"

LoL!!..."NYR" says Routt was expendable and than posts that our "DB"s have been downgraded....How...."CJ"??

PantyRaider...Can't Keep It Straight One Thread To The Next!!!//_

9:38 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Hey, why don't you stop with your bitchcapade and talk about how the Chargers are starting a rookie at OT and how the Raiders are going to exploit that into big trouble for "Cry me a Rivers"? How the young and aggresive coaching on the Defensive side of the ball are going to attack a Charger Offense without it's starting RB?

Not one good thing to say from the supposed "real Raider fan", just bitch and whine like someone who smells a stinky panty. Are you a fan? Or are you just a poser who wants to antagonize Raider boards?

You want the Raiders to lose so you can look right, for once? What a petty little princess, you don't seem like a Raider fan to me. Raider fans are straight up, not really into bullshit. You (Agent Orange) are full out bullshit.


10:10 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


No walls are moving. I certaintly didn't know everything in Jan/Feb but I was confident in McKenzie and Allen and about many aspects of our roster. I also knew that Den, SD, and OAK all finished 8-8in 2011 and we had the 3rd place schedule.

As the off-season progressed and I witnessed McKenzie and DA in action, my belief was only further bolstered.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you recently predict the Raiders going 10-6?

10:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"....Your Reaching!!

"10-n-6" with an * as noted that it's allot of just "Hope" if you recall:
I Reserve The Right To Be Slightly Hopeful If Not All In Yet!!!

10-6 as always…That’s the minimum to be AFCW Champs or win a “Wild Card”….Allot of hope in that one!!!
NO way you can stretch that into any more than what it is...I'm ALWAYS at least 10-n-6 to start every single season....No change in that now but as noted with allot of "Hope" NOT confidence!!!...And after I posted they showed me something one week those new found hopes were dash to pieces by what they showed me this week!!!

"RT"...Just to make it rather weak to pimp your ride again!!!

No Doubt that "Clown Car" was warming up in the garage this week...Right??...It's just a matter of time til it comes out with a shiny new paint job posing as "The New Era" while that "Trail-o-Tears" is reestablished in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"!!!...I can sense it already and the season hasn't even started yet!!...As Always Fear drives that car!!!

I will be the one that's unshaken....Knowing full well that a slow start is just to be expected and if by chance we win than YaHoo!!!....An added plus!!!

NFL Odds...

"SD" by 1-1.5 over Raiders at home which translates to a 4-4.5 point advantage considering the 3 points given to home teams...

That when "SD" is starting a rookie UDFA at "OT" in place of the injured Jarred...Has their "RB" out...Notoriously slow starters under Turner and without their past "WR" threats and an old "TE" on his last leg...And still favored against our Raiders at home???

That show what the rest of the NFL thinks of our preseason follies -n- coaching/roster moves so far!!!

PantyRaider..."DL" Had Better Be Smelling Blood!!!!!/_

3:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

We may have found our return game???

#Raiders new CB Phillip Adams returned two kicks and one punt for the Seahawks Thursday. KR 22, PR 21, KR 23. Also didn't give up a catch.


Raider ‏@mtlraider514

@LeviDamien @silverandblackp Wimbley just called and asked if he could come back

"Old School" Reggie!!...Have you noticed how many fast players and off field issue players have been brought in???....No I don't suppose you even look as you close your eyes in denial!!!

PantyRaider....Just Play Baby!!!//_

4:03 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"LoL!!..."NYR" says Routt was expendable and than posts that our "DB"s have been downgraded...."

No. You are the one that thought we downgraded because you’ve whined from the start about McKenzie signing "injured" CBs to replace Routt.

FYI, nobody on this board has a more vacillating opinion than you. You started the offseason by trash-talking McKenzie, Allen and, most notably, Knapp, and even predicted the Raiders will lose.

PR: “I Reserve The Right To Be Slightly Hopeful If Not All In Yet!!!”

It’s more like, you reserve the right to be anti-Raiders.

4:49 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It's more like your a habitual little BITCH who can't get that "New Mandate" into his fucken head!!!

Stop with the gad damn dumb LIES already!!!...Your a "Switch Hitter" and that's that!!!

#1....I NEVER trashed talked Reggie...I Pimped him long before you even uttered the man's name!!!...Calling him "Old School Raider" and talking about things he has done similar to Al Davis is a compliment....NOT a Bash!!!

I never trashed talked "DA" either....I pointed out that he's a "Rookie" with very little experience and that's still the case right now today!!!

YES!!!....1 out of 3 you failed to LIE about!!!...I have bashed Knapp the moment he was rehired!!!

Damn!!...Gets all worked up like some ignorant little "Drama Queen"!!!

PantyRaider....How Did You Get To be Such A Crying Little Lying Bitch!!!!//_

7:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pantysmeller said

I'm predicting an AFCW crown in 2012.
You freakin idiot Denver has already won that and there won't be a 2nd "AFCW crown in 2012" unless the scheduling is completely revamped!!!

End of season games:

2009....17 Sun January 3
2010....17 Sun January 2
2011....17 Sun January 1

LoL!!!....Your an idiot!!!

I told you to stop eating those stupid pills that the Demon JONES was feeding you but NO!!!....You like your silly little friends!!!

LoL!!!....What a moron!!!

9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pantywearer said....

Yup!!!...The more things change the more they remain the same...Must really burn your little asses to see my "Old School Raiders" still living on threw your falsely perceived "New Raider Order"!!!...But that's all you have done these past several seasons is "Hate" on my Raiders for everything under the sun so no wonder your so eager for change that will NOT materialize!!!

PantyRaider....The Great Traditions Of My Raiders Lives On!!!/_

9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PantyRaider said...
Raiders | Hue Jackson will remain coach

Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:56:51 -0800

Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson will remain with the team and be the head coach next season.

Yup!!...Those of us with a brain already knew this to be true!!!

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pantysteeler said....

What HC do you see McKenzie zeroing in on?

I'm guessing he is waiting for GB to lose so he can hire one of his cronies.

Will you be "minty fresh" with that?

I won't.

This looks more like a power grab more than anything... like we are one of the worst teams in the NFL or something???

Oh give me the 32nd ranked defensive coach to lead us to the promised land!!

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pantystain said....

Looks like Reggie learned allot from being around Mr Davis...Slow and easy on the throttle and steady as she goes Reggie....And isn't that what Marc was also pimping...Look a long time and make decisions slowly!!!

LoL!!!...Ya all outta be use to that by now right!!!...We never hired a new "HC" before February!!!

Besides when the smoke all clears we get's the pick of the litter!!!

PantyRaider....The More Things Change The More They Stay The Same!!!

10:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

You fucken LIAR "NYR"!!!

Where is this gad damn shit!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pantysteeler said....

What HC do you see McKenzie zeroing in on?

I'm guessing he is waiting for GB to lose so he can hire one of his cronies.

Will you be "minty fresh" with that?

I won't.

This looks more like a power grab more than anything... like we are one of the worst teams in the NFL or something???

Oh give me the 32nd ranked defensive coach to lead us to the promised land!!

9:47 AM
Post a fucken Url or shut the fuck up!!!....Your lying ass!!!

I never posted anything about Reggie's "cronies"....Clones!!!!

10:55 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


You two ignorant bastards have blown this board up again with your god damn childish pursuits...Psycho "Shadow" rants -n- LIES!!!

\New Mandate!!!....LoL!!!

11:00 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Answer the questions...why don't you think the Raiders can win the West? Who are you picking to win the West? Are you here just to try and create doubt? All you do is post about the Chargers "assaulting" the Raiders Defense, how Del Rio is going to have the Bronco's Defense even better than last year. How injuries are just crippling the Raiders, how Knapp is a total bust because of preseason....the crow likes to stand on that fence and squawk away until he gets a reaction...then cries like a baby when he gets a reaction. I would suggest that this site would be so much better WITHOUT Agent Orange and his antagonizing ways....just MHO.


12:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Hey Now What's That Sound (*๐*)
Everyone Look That's JONES A Clown!!!

"Oral Masturbation"!!!!.....LoL!!!

Now here this....


1:05 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just as I thought, Agent Orange can't talk football, it's just "playin games" and so proud of it. Paste and post, it's what Agent Orange do the most....and the only value, what a pity.


1:18 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The fellowship stands upon the edge of a knife
Long has it been sense you shared any hope
Sway but a little and your fellowship shall fail
For Gollum will lead you into betrayal

You don't have any friends; nobody likes you!
I'm not listening... I'm not listening...
You're a liar and a thief.
Go away!
"Go away?"
I hate you, I hate you.
"Leave now and never come back!"

Rock and pool is nice and cool
So juicy sweet...
Our only wish to catch a fish
So juicy sweet...

We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.
Then we stabs them out. Put out their eyeses, make them crawl.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Kill them all.

1:29 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Don't bother trying to get Waste to ever answer a direct question with a direct answer.

He's "all in" with his beloved Donkeys.

He wants the new era to fail because he is living in the past.

His football knowledge is non-existent.

All he can do is parrot the media, cut and paste, or divert attention away from REAL football discussion to personal BS.

His schtick is:
(1) create confrontatioin
(2) pretend to be a Raider fan
(3) spend countless hours on boards to fill the hole in his empty, hollow life.


1:38 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Couldn't have said it better, Jack, Agent Orange is a total fraud.


1:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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1:54 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Hey, Agent Orange, you even have to copy and paste that? Not an original thought in his noodle, empty as can be.


1:54 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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1:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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1:58 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Look at Agent Orange, pure provocateur and he relishes in it. The worst kind of web slime that can be imagined. He wants to write it, he wants to let us know that he really is a Bronco slips out, every so often, it shows it's TRUE colors....ORANGE AND BLUE.


1:58 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I seriously doubt that Waste is a football fan of any team.

2:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Could be, just a lonely soul, floating in the sea, lol.


2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolute Social Scum!!!....The lot of you!!

TRUTH....None...The lie is all you have as your father is of the lie as well...Son's of the lie shall burn in hell....

Burn Bitches Burn!!!

7:59 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

DELETE!!...NOT Willing To be Associated With Such Lying Ass Scum!!!

9:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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5:28 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Update in three posts:

Post #1

I haven’t been back in a while because I kind of got tired of the general lack of respect for varying opinions. I pretty much hold the same opinions as I did the last time I posted. For my opinions, I was pretty much labeled “unsupportive” of the new regime and overly negative about their prospects. I still believe the Raiders will finish with six or seven wins – eight on the outside.

Background for this belief:

1. The death of Al Davis is NOT addition by subtraction! As I never gave Al Davis ALL of the credit for the team’s success over the years, I refuse to assign him ALL of the blame for the last 10 years.

2. Some players and coaches have attempted to use the falsity that Al Davis “ran the defense” as an excuse for their own failures, but that doesn’t make it true. To Hue Jackson, I’d remind him that the 2011 defense was better before Al Davis died. To Michael Huff, who claims that he’s thrilled with having a wider range of assignments, I’d remind him that you have to perfect “simple” before you can perfect complex. He had to be in fewer places in 2011, but he often wasn’t there.

3. The Raiders have severely lacked talent on both offense and defense since 2003 (at virtually every position). That issue was not addressed by an understanding that a complete rebuild would be required until after the 2006 season. Davis devised his own plan for that rebuild, and it was well underway until he died last year. His plan was only about half complete. As McKenzie is his own man, he must devise his own plan and virtually start over again in order to carry out his OWN vision.

4. The team severely lacks depth. While you can argue that all 32 teams suffer injuries, you can’t argue that all 32 two teams lack any depth. Injuries hurt the Raiders more than the other 32 teams, because it exposes our lack of depth. See post #2 for further details.

5. I have every confidence in McKenzie and believe it will take him about three or four years for his plans to start taking real shape. I have no real predictions regarding Allen, as he’s never been an HC before. I will say that I am VERY impressed with his selection of our DC (Tarver).

10:59 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

There is no such thing as a preseason statistic, except injuries. I hope Palmer is just playing it cool, as I would rather have him fool the foes into thinking he's an inaccurate veteran than them having fresh film of him at his best. That's how pirates win. I think we are far better than we have seen. Bet we start 3-1, beating the Bolts to a bitter pulp. The donkeys will be awful, KC is sharper that the two, but i firmly believe that if we get some surprising performances @ WR, and McFadden stays consistent, we can laugh our way into the playoffs. With hard work and discipline, Oak will sail the black ship into the playoffs and steal the posers' GOLD. GO OAK. It's right there... Break out the cannon balls!

11:02 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Post #2

For the Raiders to even be a .500 team this year, they need continued good health from DMC, Ford, Moore and their interior line. While Criner and Streater are showing promise – THEY ARE ROOKIES WITHOUT A SINGLE CATCH AS A PRO. McFadden has NEVER played more than SEVEN games in a season and this is his FIFTH year. I have NO faith that he will remain healthy this year. Both Moore and Ford have been hurt more than they have been healthy during their time here as well. Now both have already missed the majority of camp and the preseason.

QB: We are better set at QB than at any time since 2002. Palmer is a first rate QB, but he has the problem of showing too much faith in his receivers in expecting them to fight for the ball. Our receiving corps is too young to have much NFL experience in that. Palmer has shown an inability to back off of that confidence, and to be more cautious. Expect some interceptions with Palmer. Leinart and Pryor are better QB depth than I can remember in more than a couple of decades.

RB: If McFadden shows his usual tendency to play less than half a season, we are in serious trouble. I didn’t like Bush’s performance last year, and now there is a far bigger drop off between our #1 and #2 HB. I like Reese at FB, but he tends to be somewhat injury prone as well.

WR: I think we have among the best starting 3 in the league – WHEN THEY PLAY. You’re putting way too much pressure on Criner and Streater if they don’t.
OL: We have SIX good offensive linemen. One very good Tackle, two decent tackles, one good Center, and two slightly better than fair Guards. After that, the drop off is severe.

TE: We don’t have an NFL quality starting TE. It looked like it was going to be Ausberry, but for some reason his development has been arrested. Essentially we DO have depth at TE; we just don’t have a starter.

DL: I think we are at least as solid here as we are with our QB.

LB: We don’t have THREE good LBs for a 4-3 defense, let alone depth. We have Wheeler. We have McClain against the run, but he still hasn’t shown he can cover. If he does prison time, or gets suspended, we’re dead. Curry does us NO GOOD when he’s injured already. The rest (with the exception of Buris) might not even be in the NFL after this season.

S: We are probably as solid here as we are at QB and DL. For my money, I’d move Huff to corner; move Branch to FS; and move Mitchell to SS.

CB: This is another huge problem area. We have two Corners who have been injured for most of the last two seasons and an extreme drop off after that. I’m not even sure we can put a decent Nickel on the field unless it’s one of the Safeties (in fact it will likely be Huff when we use a Nickel package).

Special teams didn’t show very much in the preseason. We won’t know until the season starts.

11:02 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Part #3.

The division will likely shake out as follows:

Denver will win the division. They made the playoffs last season with Tebow. While they’ve lost their DC, their HC is a defensive specialist. If Payton Manning stays healthy, I expect he’s good for two more wins than Tebow. Denver will likely win 10 games, and possibly 11 games. That will win the division rather easily.

KC has been on a similar path as the Raiders. However, their development has not been interrupted by the death of their owner, nor a complete regime change. They will stay on course enough to add a win to their schedule, and they will likely find 9 victories.

Raiders: Since we have NO depth at most positions, no real starters in a few positions, and stability in only about three positions, our chronic injury problems will lead us to six or seven wins, with an outside chance at eight wins.

As for SD, Turner has reached his predictable wall. Turner can only coach with a well-established team in front of him. He is not really very good at personnel maintenance. He is not really very good at development. I think Turner has reached the end of his rope, and will also only find about six or seven wins. However, I believe that the Raiders will edge them out on tie breakers.

No further comments unless there are dramatic developments (which there haven’t been so far).

11:03 AM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

I respect ya Blanda, but disagree. It was not a lack of talent, but a lack od discipline and heart, and a loss of Mr. Davis' skills that once made the team great. He should have passed the torch and just sat back. Plenty of talent, just bad front office decisions, especially with coaching moves, and QB decisions. I feel better about our direction, and smell Gold. Within a few years... bigtime brother. Great reasonings though... I appreciate your basis.

11:06 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It's hilarious that Agent Orange says he is taking his marbles home, then steps in another antagonist that hasn't been around in a long time and answers the question posted to Agent Orange....jig is up, your game is done.


11:13 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Excellent quote from HC Allen....

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result," Allen said. "So we've got to do something different. We've got to change and if we don't change we'll see the same results. So that's the message we've preached and we're going to continue preaching it until the end of the season."


12:39 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I know Agent Orange is usually the cut and paste guy...this from JMac, had to post it....

....The atmosphere in the post-Davis era is one that leaves nothing to chance. Rather than tread water and wait until the owner makes a decision on a matter of personnel or scheme, the Raiders are learning to operate with a sense of order.

"It's different. Everything is detailed," Kelly said. "Everything's got a plan. It ain't, 'Wait a minute and we'll find out.' You know everything, and you know what you've got to do, down to the second."

With Allen having been given complete control of the on-field operation, there are no gray areas. In past years, Raiders coaches have been accustomed to being overruled, which could undercut authority.

When the Raiders arrived at training camp on July 28, they were required to sign in for all meals. Punctuality became a demand, rather than a loose concept. Players were challenged mentally as well as physically in meetings and film sessions.

In terms of style, Allen coaches in the manner of Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, overseeing and believing in a specific process in how to go about business on a daily basis.

"You know where you need to be at every moment, every day," safety Michael Huff said. "It's all lined up, what everybody expects from you, and if you stray from that, you really can't argue about it because it's been set up since Day 1."

Said quarterback Carson Palmer: "Coach is a stickler. He's been all over us, he's a fundamental guy. He wants us to understand every facet of the game and every possible situation you could be in a game. We a cover a lot on the field, we cover a lot in meetings and he's been on top of us so far."

Allen overhauled the Raiders systems of offense and defense. He brought in Greg Knapp to implement a West Coast style system with bootlegs, rollouts and a pure zone running scheme.

In conjunction with defensive coordinator Jason Tarver, Allen installed a multiple defense with mixtures in alignments and coverages which are radically different than the natural rush, man-to-man systems favored by Davis.

In contrast to the bombastic approach of 2011 head coach Hue Jackson, Allen's demeanor is simple and direct, in part because he doesn't have to sell anyone on the notion he is in charge.

There were no grand proclamations of making the playoffs or the Super Bowl. Allen, the 10th head coach since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995, reportedly got a four-year contract, lending a sense of stability.

Oakland was 1-3 in the preseason and Allen has stressed on a daily basis the team is far from a finished product.

"I think we're a tough team and we do have tough-minded people," Allen said. "We've played smart in situations and executed some situational football really well. I do think some of that discipline is showing up. It's still not the final product we're looking for."

The promise, according to Allen, is daily improvement and a constant education on what it will take to be a Raider in the new era.

"This is a complex game, and we throw a lot of things at them," Allen said. "What we're looking for is every day you want to see them improve a little bit. We don't want what we call repeat-mistake offenders. We don't want to see guys that make the same mistake over and over.

"I'm never going to be satisfied with where we're at. We're always going to be looking to improve, so it's an ongoing process."

12:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Very concise and to the point, Oak Town.

Blanda - Why do you think there was a plan in place? Coaching changes clearly suggest there wasn't.

Actually, you make it sound like players and coaches had an agenda for blaming Al Davis. That’s an excuse in itself and, frankly, misguided.

Mark Davis, McKenzie and Allen had nothing to gain by letting us know the organization was outmoded.

The Raiders problems grew far deeper than the roster, or the coaching for that matter.

12:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I believe McKenzie and Allen's plans have already taken a well defined shape and promising outlook.

A sense of stability within the organization has been established.

When was the last time you could honestly say that there was an excellent chance that our Head Coach will be with us for the next 4 years?

When was the last time that you truly felt the Head Coach was completely in charge of ALL on field operations?

I agree about the lack of quality backups in a few positional units (RB, LB, TE). McKenzie inherited a team with severe cap issues and no draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds.

I am optimistic about 2012 and supremely bullish on 2013 when we can be more active in free agency plus have a full complement of draft picks excluding our 2nd round pick.

1:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Reggie is dismantling AL's speedy secondary:

Van Dyke, was a third-round pick in 2011, and the fastest man at last year’s Scouting Combine, running the 40-yard dash in 4.28 seconds.

Chimdi Chekwa, a fourth-round pick in 2011, ran the 40 in 4.33 seconds at the Combine.

Under previous management, both these guys would have stuck to the roster like glue for many years. Meanwhile, we'd be drafting more DBs who post the lowest 40-times at the Combine.

Now is when football acumen trumps speed.... and that's minty fresh.

1:58 PM  

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