Thursday, November 10, 2011

Chargers Game Night Thread

Well, here we are, poised to take the divisional lead after two wretched defeats and falling to .500.

That tells you a lot about how strongly we started...and about how mediocre the AFC West is this year. Every other division in the NFL has a team with at least six wins right now. The AFC North has three teams with six wins. We're fortunate to be in this position with just four wins.

At stake, however, is not only the divisional lead, but also our viability as a winning team. If we fall to 4-5 tonight, we'll have to win five out of our last seven games in order to post our first winning record in eight seasons, and that's with the Bears, Lions and Packers on the docket.

In other words, this is yet another can't-lose game. Talk is cheap, and excuses are weak. It's "prove it" time. GO RAIDERS!


Anonymous scorpio said...

Michael bush needs to keep being the man tonight...

6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

touchdown raiders! NOW, the d's gotta start clamping down!

6:09 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

Oops, that was me...

6:09 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

Beautiful catch by Moore!!!

6:18 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Good 1st Half...17-3...Lets Keep It Up Boyz!!!

First Downs 13 3
Total Yards 293 65
Passing Yards 169 26
Rushing Yards 124 39
Penalties (Yds) 2(20) 4(20)
Turnovers 0 0
Punts (AVG) 2(50) 5(45)
Time of Pos. 19:24 10:25

C. Palmer 8/10 169 1 0
S. Lechler 0/1 0 0 0
M. Bush 17 86 1 44
M. Reece 1 3 0 3
T. Jones 6 36 0 12
C. Palmer 1 -1 0 -1
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
J. Ford 1 41 0 41
T. Houshmandzadeh 1 7 0 7
D. Moore 3 86 1 46
B. Myers 1 5 0 5
M. Bush 2 30 0 23

PantyRaider...Can We Play 2 Complete Halves!!!/_

6:57 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

just finish baby!

7:09 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

lets go Oak!!!

8:14 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Where is T Jones for some change up?

8:20 PM  
Blogger OakTownBlues said...

tick tick tick tick tick.............

8:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

24-17 "V"!!!

First Downs 20 20
Total Yards 489 314
Passing Yards 298 239
Rushing Yards 191 75
Penalties (Yds) 7(45) 6(31)
Turnovers 2 2
Punts (AVG) 4(47) 6(44)
Time of Pos. 32:37 27:23

C. Palmer 14/20 299 2 1
S. Lechler 0/1 0 0 0
M. Bush 30 157 1 44
M. Reece 1 3 0 3
T. Jones 7 39 0 12
C. Palmer 3 -8 0 -1
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
J. Ford 1 41 0 41
T. Houshmandzadeh 1 7 0 7
D. Moore 5 123 2 46
B. Myers 2 11 0 6
M. Bush 3 85 0 55
K. Boss 2 32 0 24

PantyRaider...Thankfully Our Team Dosen't Throw In The Flag Like Some Weak Ass Fans Do!!!/_

"CP3" was a good deal!!!

8:50 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Tremendous, character defining victory for the Raider players and coaching staff.

Wimbley earned his salary tonight with a monster game (4 sacks, consistent pressure requiring double-teams). Bush was the hammer, Palmer was precise, Moore was electric. McLain made a huge difference in a team that executed the game plan. Lito stepped up and did an admirable job overall in coverage.

9 days and a wake-up to get ready to face the Vikes.

10:52 PM  
Blogger russ oliver said...

Great night from Bush, good nights from Moore and Palmer too and a the D showed up. All good stuff, but can't help think here's the stat that's really made the night:
Penalties (Yds) 7(45)

Just 45 yds on penalties, hurrah! something that's definitely heading in the right direction.

Raiders are, once a gain, a Jekyll and Hyde team. Great one week, poor the next. OK, last couple of weeks have been difficult due to many things like injuries etc.. but if they can now just become consistent they should be able to keep the lead of the Division, but they need consistency.

1:47 AM  
Anonymous Jones said...

Raiders always play SD tough, well, there's only one way to go from here......Carry on.


2:25 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Yes! There's the team the laid it out in wins against the Jets and Texans.

I was very impressed by the way Palmer directed the offense. There's no question he's a leader and he's in charge.

This win will build the Raiders confidence that they are in good hands at QB.

4:25 AM  
Blogger H said...

Well, it appers Jekyll and Hyde are alive and well and living in Oakland California.

I don't know whether to call this one Jekyll or Hyde, but I wish he would hang around a while.

The bad part is I was working very late and missed the game and the DVR didn't function properly. Probably operator malfunction.


4:40 AM  
Blogger H said...

By the way, if any of you guys hear of a replay on NFL Network, please post here.


4:40 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Obviously quite skeptical and rightfully so. That's how bad the tbow game left me. Jeckyll/Hyde indeed. If all the interceptions were hung onto, it would have been a clocking. 2 penalties right? You think that too was a difference maker? I don't count the two ints Palmer threw against him. He got wacked, even the fumble was a good D play.
Off to MN next Sunday. Could not get seats on the Raiders side but that is what binoculars are for. Seats are good regardless 35-40 yd. line, sec 108, row 10. Am attempting to bribe my 11 year old daughter into holding up a Raider Take sign! Look for us!

6:41 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

I agree with Hue, the things that Palmer is doing coming off the couch is incredible. He is only going to get better. I think his next start against the Vikings should be much more improved than last night's. He will have 10 days to prep. I expect he won't have an INT.

Then we have the Bears, Dolphins, Green Bay, and Detroit. I think we can beat the Bears, Dolphins, Lions, Chiefs, and Chargers.
I think if Palmer continues to improve, and our defense remains consistent; we may even give Green Bay a run for their money. At worse, we may end the season 9-7. At best (in this scenario where we lose to the Packers), we may end the season 11-5 (or 12-4).

I think our statement games are the Bears, Lions, and Packers. If we can win 2 out of 3 there, we will show the League our toughness, and that we are for real. At the same time, we've got to take care of the games we need to take care of.

This is a great start to end the skid. We needed to come out and punch them in the mouth, and we did! I hope this gives us the momentum we need to finish out the season strong! JUST WIN, BABY!!!!

7:34 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The defense is incredibly banged up. The game plan against Denver was ill advised. There are two types of of situations where constant blitzing is a real bad idea. One is with a QB like Brady, who is quick on reads and very accurate. The second is with a QB like T-bow. He's a better RB than QB, and if you blitz he might easily find open lanes created by the blitz. You want T-bow to throw the ball because sometimes it goes to mysterious places.

I understand the massive amount of blitzing is because our defensive backfield is so banged up, but we can't keep doing this or it's going to wind up burning us. We need some folks to come back from injuries, and soon.

Kudos to Jackson - excellent pickups in Palmer and Curry (although Curry needs to settle down a little and not draw so many flags).

Palmer is only 31 (which is younger than Plunkett was when we got him), and he now says he wants to play until they have to lock him off the football field. Plunk brought us two SBs. I'm betting Palmer will as well.

I don't think Campbell will be resigned after this season, and neither will Boller. Pryor, I think will be our back up beginning next year. He's a runner and will provide an excellent change of pace if Palmer should go down briefly.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

nate, that's where the problem lies. we NEVER know which defense will show up! it's maddening wondering what'll happen from play to play. I dont think we need to worry about the offense. palmer and the receivers can only get better from here and bush is there to help out w/ his running.

george atkinson said it in the post game show that we cannot play down or up to the level of our competition, and that's just what they've done the last 3 games. consistency is the key.

moore had a good game. that fingertip catch was awesome, but he sure got an earful from his coach on that one punt return...

8:57 AM  
Blogger russ oliver said...

RN 75 - Have to disagree. I think our statement games are against the likes of the Cardinals, Dolphins and division rivals. Win those and we have a winning season and possibly division title. Can't keep loosing to poor division rivals.

9:02 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

One of the things I was worried about when Raiders got Palmer, and TjH, was that Wr's like Moore would be forgotten.

Well last nights game made me feel a little better.

Palmer is actually doing a nice job of spreading ball around to multiple receivers.

I think our best bet make playoff's is winning the weak AFC west. but those home losses to chefs and donks may come back to haunt.

But hey, if Raiders win 9/10 games and make playoff's. I can swollow the Palmer deal.

Better a late 1st round pick, then a high one. And Qb's are hard to come by.

10:42 AM  
Blogger H said...

After watching the highlights, we need to enjoy Michael Bush while we can. Unless they trade McFadden to get back into the first round, Bush is gone. He is a UFA.

McFadden has played well the past two seasons when healthy, but he has missed significant time. A Bush/Jones backfield might work out well.

Just speculating.

Also, Palmer has quick feet and a very quick release. Campbell is more mobile and better in the open field, but Palmer seems to move around better in the pocket.


11:02 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

russ oliver...

Allot of that is on the damn "Zebra"s...Did you see the crap they got way with last night???

Pass Interference on that fake punt was horrendous!!!...NO Call???

And late in the 4th the way they tried to keep giving "SD" -n- Rivers another chance after chance after chance...But our "D" just wasn't having that crap and took that damn "Pig" away!!!


That's what I saw last Sunday also...We died by that Blitz...Thursday was a good time for it but as you said some games are NOT!!!...We must find another way!!!


"D-Mac" ain't going Bro....I suspect we will try to find a way to sign Bush before the season ends...

The one thing that was apparent from this game is that our "O" can play with anyone...Even so banged up and losing Ford early on with no "D-Mac" in the game we were a force to recon with...Just imaging how good we can be when healthy and clicking on all cylinders...

Our “O” is still learning to play together with so many new faces and injuries…When it all comes together it will be totally dynamic!!!

New this season: "FA"s
“TE” Boss
“QB” “CP3”
“WR” “TJH”
"OC" Saunders
"OL" Coach

“WR” Moore
“C”/“LG” “Wiz-II”
“ROT” Barksdale
“RB” “TJ”
“TE” Ausberry
“QB” Pryor
“HC” Action Jackson!!!
"OC" Saunders
"OL" Coach Assistant "Wiz"!!!

PantyRaider...A Work In Progress With Terrific Up-Side!!!/_

11:23 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Also "FA" "OL" Stephen Heyer who played Thursday Night too....

11:27 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Palmer has a great feel for the pocket, like Stabler, Plunk and Gannon. Almost every other Raider QB has been sack bait.

However, one of the things that Palmer stated last night was that as much talent as folks mention as present in the O-backfield and WR corps, it's matched by the quality of the O-line. This is easily the best O-line we've had since the 2002 playoffs.

11:28 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, I have to say that one of the very best things about last night's game was listening to six out of seven NFL Network prognosticators choose the Dolts to reassert their dominance over the Raiders and cruise to the playoffs. The only decenter was Marshall Faulk who believed that Bush would prove why he should be a starting RB in the NFL.

My position is that the football prognosticators rarely really study 90 percent of the teams. They listen to the other prognosticators, believe everything they say, and don't bother to really look at film or roster history of the team they happen to be commenting on. It becomes more a matter of what is popular to say, not the truth of it. That's really why they savaged Al Davis so much while he was alive.

11:42 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

IMO, the unsung heroes of the 1st 9 games is the OLine.

This unit has provided consistent run blocking and pass protection.

I personally believe the unit is stronger with Wiz at center than Satelle.

As the primary ball carrier the past 3 games, Bush has racked up 352 yards on 66 carries for a ROBUST 5.4 average per carry. I sincerely hope that the Raiders do everything in their powers to retain Bush.

12:36 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Personally, while I'd really like to keep Bush, I don't think that will be possible. I'm pretty certain that Bush wants to start for somebody. I don't think simply throwing money at him is going to do the trick.

If Jackson determines that he can't keep McFadden healthy, however, I could envision Jackson deciding on the H solution.

1:59 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I just don't see that happening...Bush is a good player no doubt but he can't do what "D-Mac" can do to an "O"...Had he been playing some of those runs would have been for the "TD"..

He's such a big time threat to go all the way both in the run game and the pass game...Just way too valuable to this "O" which we will prolley get to see when we play the "Vikes" with him and Palmer together for the very 1st time...This "O" should really explode with such a double threat...

PantyRaider....If We Make The "PO"s That May Be The Motivation Needed To Keep Bush!!!/_

7:46 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, I agree that DMC could be the best running back in the league - when he plays. What good is that if it's only available for a portions of the season.

I guess you could argue that it's kind of like the Bo Jackson situation (where Jackson was only available half the season because of baseball), but it's still a problem because at least we knew when Jackson would be available.

11:05 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

blanda I mentioned H's solution also but it doesn't appear that my thoughts count.

what did you expect the prognosticators to say? the raiders have just come off two crappy games where they played down to the level of their competition.

until this team finds some consistency, it'll be a while until the media is convinced!

12:36 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

my question again, since no-one answered it is - with this new CBA, pro teams still have the ability to "franchise tag" a player? given bush' UFA status, that would be the only way to keep bush BUT can't afford both these guys....

12:42 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Sorry Bro didn't mean to ignore you at all...

Franchised Bush would cost as much if not more than "D-Mac" but at least that way if we lose him we get the 1st rd picks in exchange...But would anyone be willing to pay that price for a proven "RB"???

Also as the "F-Tag" he could be traded if he sign his tender....Otherwise we lose him and get nothing in return...

I still hope we can work a new deal with him....

PantyRaider....Too Soon To Worry!!!!/_

3:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bush is just one example why we will need a GM sooner rather than later.

It would be a real shame to lose him, but that's a distinct possibility. Hard to imagine paying two top tier starters at the same position.

Between the two, McFadden is the man. Sure he's had some injuries but it's hard to simply conclude that someone is injury-prone, unless his name is Chaz Schilens.

Remember, the Eagles dumped Burgess thinking he was injury-prone.

4:34 AM  
Blogger H said...

"D-Mac" ain't going Bro....I suspect we will try to find a way to sign Bush before the season ends...

That ain’t gonna happen either. Bush wants to start and I don’t blame him. He has taken over for McFadden since early in the KC game and done the following”

352 Yards, (99, 96, 157) with longs of 35 and 44 while averaging 5.3. Receiving he has 7 catches for 130. McFadden (throw out the KC game when he got hurt) is averaging 101.7, Bush, Including the KC game is averaging 117.3.

Their yards per carry is virtually identical, 5.4 v. 5.3. My point is from a business standpoint you lose some dynamics, but not a lot, with trading McFadden. But, production wise it’s a wash. You gain more in draft picks if you sign Bush long term and trade McFadden. You have the speed guy on the team with Jones. Also for all the talk about receiving, Bush has a better yards per catch average. He and Reece are devastating on screens.

The team will have to make a decision. Bush or McFadden. Bush wants to start. He wants to be the guy. He has shown he can do it. And, with starting comes starter money. Bush may have come in the fourth round, but before he went down he was projected as a first rounder. Plus, aside from that injury, he has been pretty healthy.


Couldn’t agree more. Each time Satalle went down this year, line play picked up especially in the run game. Also, Satalle gets at least two holding penalties per game it seems.


6:55 AM  
Blogger H said...


McFadden seems to be prone to the "nicked" up types of injuries that keep you down. Turf Toe, sprained foot. Bush, doesn't seem quite as suseptible to those.

For all his talent, McFadden doesn't help you from the trainter's table.

You're going to lose Campbell and a very good running back. Which running back gives you the best chance of gaining something fairly significant in return.

If McFadden can't go next week and Bush has another big day, then who do you start the next week and what do you do after the season?

You've got a chemistry thing to consider also, Palmer/Bush. If that is clicking, why mess with it.


7:14 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I agree completely with H. Bush has definitely shown he can compete with McFadden, and we can get far more for Mcfadden than Bush. We can't get anything from Bush unless we F-tag (and I don't know if we still can, either), and I don't think anyone will give up a first rounder for him. The Raiders will wind up with two exceedingly expensive RBs, preventing us from spending money where we need to.

Frankly, as much as I like both of them - I don't think we can afford both, and we can get back into the first round with a trade of McFadden. Probably very high in the first round, and we can really use some DB depth as well.

9:16 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

My hope is that McFadden returns for the Minnesota game and we ride the Bush/McFadden train into the playoffs.

With Bush rolling, McFadden could be eased back into the Minnesota game where the # of carries is roughly a 65/35 split (Bush/McFadden).

As the season progresses, Hue can distribute the reps. based on opponent, game plan, and hot hand.

When the season is concluded, then we have to worry about the RB situation. For this season, there won't be any chemistry issues. Palmer, Bush, McFadden are team first guys all about winning.

12:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


There was some talk about Bush going in the Palmer trade but Hue would not pull that trigger...Now it's a damn good thing he didn't...So we all know Bush is of value to Hue and this team...

What eventually happens is a long way off as I already posted which gives time to set the table for a new deal...I'm still pimping that if this team makes the "PO"s and goes deep into it that Bush may want to stay and thus be more willing to make a favorable deal...Maybe something that's incentive structured so if he ends up staring he's compensated for it???

Maybe some other players like "D-Mac" will even be willing to restructure to help keep Bush on board???

The issue now is stopping that "Vikes" rush and scoring points to tale us to 6-n-4!!!

PantyRaider...Not Time To Face That Issue!!!/_

7:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

To elaborate on my comment that the Raiders OLine are the unsung heroes ...

The Raiders OLine has given up ONLY 11 sacks in 9 games which is ranked #2 in the league.

The Raiders are ranked #1 in rushing yards per game at 156.2 per game which the OLine deserves major credit for this ranking.

Pass Blocking - check
Run Blocking - check

It is amazing how this unit has gelled, adapted to injuries and new positions.

Major kudos to Wylie, Big Wiz, and Hue for coaching this unit up.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

After watching the highlights, we need to enjoy Michael Bush while we can. Unless they trade McFadden to get back into the first round, Bush is gone. He is a UFA.

Trading McFadden???

When pigs fly.

I look at this like a Bo Jackson thing. We have him for part of the season where he rips everyone apart. Bush had a great game, but there were times where if McF had the ball instead of Bush in the open field we are talking TD instead of 20-30 gain. Thats the same dynamic Bo brought.

I say rest McF against Vikings FOR SURE because St. Palmer will carve the 30th ranked pass defense up in his sleep.

Hell, if they really wanted to, they could rest McF until Detroit and still make the playoffs... we are playing the 30th, 26th, 27th, and 28th ranked pass defenses coming up. St. Palmer has got to be licking his chops!! SD is a top ten pass defense in comparison.

Plus we showcase Bush for a possible sign and trade early next season (to get our draft picks back) while keeping McF fresh for the SB run!!

Lets light this candle!!

10:03 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Ooops.. no sign and trade with Bush... UFA. My bad. But I still say we keep McF on ice until the playoff push... he doesn't seem to need much practice as evidenced by the time off in training camp (ala Bo)... and we can win with Bush.

10:06 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Calico Jack said...

My hope is that McFadden returns for the Minnesota game and we ride the Bush/McFadden train into the playoffs.

It might be arrogant to say this, but I don't think we need McF to make the playoffs. We have a REAL QB now that can win games on his own, not just "not lose" games like the best case scenario in the Campbell/JaMoney/Walter/Brooks/Collins era.

McF is obviously one of the top RB's in the league while healthy, BUT HE IS NEVER HEALTHY! If he can only play 4-6 games in a row without injury... why not gamble on the last 6 games of the season?

I hope this is what Hue does unless the foot injury is VERY minor, and he has already been babying him (which seems doubtful considering two straight AFCW losses and he still wasn't active.)

Bring our HR hitters in for the playoff push... the offense is fine. Its the DEFENSE we need to worry about. That is where the schizophrenia is involved. The offense has been rock solid except for the two games after McF and Campbell went down.

10:17 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I Posted 11-n-5 Before The Season Started....Here's How We Still Accomplish That:

11 Nov 20 OAK @ MIN “V”

12 Nov 27 CHI @ OAK “V”

13 Dec 04 OAK @ MIA “V”

14 Dec 11 OAK @ GB Loss

15 Dec 18 DET @ OAK “V”

16 Dec 24 OAK @ KC “V”

17 Jan 01 SD @ OAK “V”

Well now that just doesn’t look too probable now does it….Prolley 10-n-6 is the best I can hope for now with a loss to Detroit but that’s at home and I still think we can take that one…

Here’s my 10 reasons why:

#1…Improved secondary now that we have a legitimate #2 “CB” in Lito Shepard…

#2…The front 7 are now finding their grove to get at the “QB” without “Shaw-Nasty”….

#3…Improved “LB” play with “DeathRo” back and Curry/Whimbley really bringing it…


#5…Our 3-Headed Monster at “RB” when “D-Mac” returns…Unstoppable!!!

#6…Moore-Moore-Moore-n-Moore while they also have to worry about Ford/“DHB”/Chaz/“TJH”-n-Murphy….

#7…The Boss is Boss…His yds per catch are dominate!!!

#8…“Wiz II” n the gang…They keep getting better and now we can add Stephen Heyer to that unit as well…

#9….Hue-Jack and his fire along with Saunder’s playbook and our “D” finally coming together as a unit…

#10…The worst is over…We have played threw the loss of Mr Davis and the debilitating injuries along with Hue’s learning experience but are still in this thing and now on top…That’s now the “X” factor that gives us momentum and confidence while others in our AFCW are crumbling in hopelessness…

Now for the one negative???…That Damn Rush “D”!!!!


If we franchise Bush as was suggested by "NYR" we than may be able to work out a deal for a trade that Bush is favorable to or we keep him tied up at a very hefty price???

I agree about the Palmer addition making the run less needed but it's still needed...What makes this so good is that their "DC"s can't crowd the box with such a deep threat in Moore -n- company and they can't just play deep with such a huge threat in "D-Mac"/Bush/"TJ"....Than add in the Boss -n- "TJH" and the intermediate threat is there too...Reece/Bush/"D-Mac"/"TJ" present far too much threat in the short so what can they do???

PantyRaider....Spread Too Thin Like Butter In The Hot Afternoon Sun!!!!/_

11:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider's "D"....

To Do All This To An "O" Like "SD" Was Huge!!!

Third Down Efficiency 5/16 – 31%
Total Net Yards 314
Net Yards Rushing 75
Net Yards Passing 239
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 6 – 35
Pass Comp-Att-Int 23 – 47 – 1
Red Zone Efficiency 1/2 – 50%
Time of Possession 27:23
Final Score 17

But we did continue to give this up:

Average Gain per Rushing Play 5.0

That’s what sucks!!!

PantyRaider...Same Old Same Old!!!/_

11:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Re-Post form another board but this pretty much sums it up about me and my time here as well:
I Hate That Ungreatful "What Have You Done For Me Lately" Fucked Up Attitude!!!

This franchise and Mr Davis have given us more than can ever be paid back sense “62” when I 1st started watching….So to me it’s “What Can I Do To Continue Support” and never pull that back because we lose a few seasons or even a whole decade…Which we haven’t!!!…But even so I will still be here supporting til death just like the example set for us by Mr Davis himself who NEVER slacked no mater how difficult things became…Now that was honor!!!

How some fare weather fans can ignore that is beyond me!!!

PantyRaider...Hold Fast That Helm Unswervingly...In War Or In Peace....In Calm Or A Torrent...Fear Thee NOT!!!!/_

2:12 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

One of the long time Raider philosophies is to not get ahead of yourself. Historically the Raiders never spent too much time in the middle of the season worrying about losing a player who wanted to start, but didn't.

That is because after the trading deadline, there's nothing you can do about it, and during the course of the season, the issue may resolve itself regarding whatever outstanding questions there are.

For all we know, Bush or McFadden could receive a career ending injury before the season is out. There's also the possibility that one or the other will become so dominant we can't part with him, or one will suddenly disappear from production and we can't wait to part with him before the word gets out he's no longer effective.

Gary, as I stated earlier, I don't think you can compare McFadden's injuries with Bo Jackson's baseball commitment. We knew when Jackson would be available. Frequent injuries make it a mystery. The benefit of Bush is that he's been rock solid healthy since he recovered from his broken leg. We can't predict the development of T.Jones for now, but he could likely serve as a change of pace back, and break those long runs for TDs.

8:21 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico, I fully agree regarding our O-line. Not so very long ago, teams would simply stack the LOS with 7 or 8, and dare us to pass.

First, they can't do that anymore because Palmer and our speedy receivers will embarrass them fully while Palmer is free to roam the pocket. Second, they can't do that anymore because, even if they stack the line, we run through them anyway.

8:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda, you say the Raiders don't get ahead of themselves. Well, let's hope they're not having the same conversations we are.

IMO, the key will be to get the most out of both RBs now and make a run for the playoffs this year. How that plays out may make the decision for us regarding which back we keep, if not both.

10:04 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Run the ball, stop the run.

This is the platform for the Raiders success.

There is a real "Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde" quality to this year's run defense.

In Oakland's 5 wins this year, the defense allowed an average of 69.6 yards.

In Oakland's 4 losses, the number swells up to 209.3 yards per game.

NYR said,"the key will be to get the most out of both RBs now and make a run for the playoffs this year. How that plays out may make the decision for us regarding which back we keep, if not both."

Agree 100%. I would take it 1 step further by saying we need to squeeze the best out of our entire roster to reach the playoffs.

This includes new starters (Sheppherd, Heyer), guys less than 100% (McLain, SeaBass, Barnes, etc.), guys in new positions (Oline). Over the next 7 games you can count on key guys getting injured.

I am totally confident in Bush as the primary back for the remaining 7 games BUT I would love to have McFadden back sooner rather than later to allow us to rotate the 2 backs, gives us new options and another dimension to dynamic plays.

10:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"KC" is officially dead at the hands of the "Tebowncos" who completed 2 passes in the "V"...Now how freakin sick is that!!!...No way for "KC" to come back against their remaining schedule...Todd Hailey will get run!!!

Our Raiders sit on top with the most favorable schedule to take the AFCW....

"SD" still has to come to our house and we already have the one game lead...

PantyRaider...It's All In Our Hands Now!!!!/_

1:34 PM  
Blogger H said...


“It might be arrogant to say this, but I don't think we need McF to make the playoffs.”

If that’s the case, then pigs might just fly. McFadden, when healthy, is a phenom. Problem is he has missed significant playing time every season.

“Bush had a great game, but there were times where if McF had the ball instead of Bush in the open field we are talking TD instead of 20-30 gain.”

You can’t just make a blanket statement like that. Bush has had several great games for this team. I’m just saying the team has a dilemma. Let Michel Bush go and get nothing in return except maybe some compensatory picks in the fifth round, or take a shot at getting back into the first round. That’s the business side of this.

By the way, welcome to first place by our lonesome. Been a while since we could say that.


2:16 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Tebow: 2 completions? Is that for real?

Major letdown for KC. Major boost for the Raiders!

2:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

“Bush had a great game, but there were times where if McF had the ball instead of Bush in the open field we are talking TD instead of 20-30 gain.”

There's two sides to that. Bush often can create his own holes due to his size and strength. A 20-30 yard gain for Bush, might be a one yard loss for McFadden.

Also, when was I not on board with getting the most out of both of them this season? Since that's pretty much all we can do to begin with. I presume Jackson will make the calls regarding who gives us the best chance to win on any particular game day.

5:05 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

We haven't been alone in first place after nine games since 2001, maybe even 2000. I don't remember it feeling this edgy.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

There's two sides to that. Bush often can create his own holes due to his size and strength. A 20-30 yard gain for Bush, might be a one yard loss for McFadden.

I dunno... maybe one in four carries I'd rather have Bush. Goal line and short yardage mostly. There is nobody in the NFL (besides MAYBE Adrian P.) in the open field better than McF. We have one of the best blocking OLs in the NFL.. the holes Bush had Thurs would have led to 250 yards, IMO.

The game would have been over early... these are things important in the playoffs, especially how horrible our defense can be.

5:19 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Let Michel Bush go and get nothing in return except maybe some compensatory picks in the fifth round, or take a shot at getting back into the first round. That’s the business side of this.

Like Asum, Bush will prolly be the hottest FA next year. And franchising him is almost as expensive after CJ and AP signed ludicrous contracts.

Business-wise it might be the best thing to let him go.

Much of his yards come because of our line, IMO.

5:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


It's been so long sense we had a winning team that we are going to have to get use to this feeling all over again..Confidence...It has been lacking and that carries over into each new week...But for those us us who have remained faithful and hopeful threw time it's obviously going to be much easier...

The rest get shaken the moment there's a let down of any sort and crawl back into their "Doom-n-Gloom"....

I an however happy to see that "NYR" can now resist that....Props to you bro!!!

PantyRaider...We Have Known We Were On The Virge Of Something That's Finally here!!!!/_

7:09 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now this is funny to read especially after all that talk about how the loss of Namndi would devastate us...But in all honesty I would like to have him at the moment!!!

Asomugha got the money, not the results

By Steve Corkran

7:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

W-L-W-L-W-W-L-L-W = 5-4

The inconsistency of the Raiders performance from week to week is the next significant hurdle to get over.

The biggest example of the inconsistency is the run defense which is directly correlated to wins and losses.

I do think that Palmer is a major piece to lead the team and take it to the next level. Our offense has all the components to be a balanced, dynamic, and elite level unit.

7:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"W-L-W-L-W-W-L-L-W = 5-4"

Put a name to it to make real sense of it!!!

"W"....."Donkey 4-n-5
"L".....Buffalo 5-n-4
"W".....Jets 5-n-4
"L"....."NE" 6-n-3
"W".....Texans 7-n-3
"W"....."Dawgs" 3-n-6
"L"....."KC" 4-n-5
"L"....."Donkey" 4-n-5
"W"....."SD" 4-n-5

Looks to me that there has only been one easy team on that entire schedule...The rest are all close to 500 or above and we beat the best record in that pack...All this while going threw the worst trauma/transition period in Raider history...Death -n- Injury -n- "FA"s/Trades...

Now coming up:

Vikes...2-n-7 ???
"GB"....9-n-0 ???

I rather like our chances!!!

PantyRaider...Battle Tested To The Max!!!/_

4:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well it appears we may now have the gods on the side of our "D"...LoL!!!

Aaron Curry, LB, OAK - RT @ChristianRep: Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own ... 11-14

Aaron Curry, LB, OAK - In peace I will lie down and sleep, for you alone, Lord, make me dwell in safety. (Psalm 4:8 NIV) Goodnight Y'all! Give your burdens to God 11-14

Aaron Curry, LB, OAK - RT @JForsett: The verse for tonight is Romans 4:1-5 Goodnight & God Bless!! 11-14

Aaron Curry, LB, OAK - RT @JWhite402: @AaronCurry51 never doubt GOD. He is always with you and will never forsake you. He will always have your back... 11-14

Aaron Curry, LB, OAK - @ericbarton50 Amen!! 11-14

Read more:

Let's hope this doesn't turn into "Currying"!!!...

4:52 AM  
Blogger H said...

“Like Asum, Bush will prolly be the hottest FA next year. And franchising him is almost as expensive after CJ and AP signed ludicrous contracts.

Business-wise it might be the best thing to let him go.”

I’m not talking about franchising him. I’m talking about the possible decision to Bush, tell him he’s #1, and a possible trade with McFadden for draft picks, or picks and a player It’s definitely a consideration. It’s always good business to consider all options.

Also, Nnamdi wanted to be on a winner. Be careful what you wish for. Philly is 3-6. Once they voiced the last year of his contract I don’t think he could have been franchised.

“Much of his yards come because of our line, IMO.”

So, is it still your opinion it was the OL in ’08 when McFadden got hurt in the first quarter, had to come out and Bush went for 177? Bush is a damn good back, end of story. If there are other areas of the team that need help, and there are, it’s definitely a consideration.

You could also say the same thing about McFadden. Same OL, or are they chopped liver with McFadden on the field?


10:23 AM  
Blogger H said...


We need grammar check here.

That should be "voided" the last year of his contract.


10:25 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


My understanding of the "Voiding" is that it was automatic...No one initiated anything...It was written in and took effect when Namndi failed to make one freakin Int...He's the only one who had control over that so it was sorta kinda felt he just wanted out so therefore no big attempt to keep him...He walked and we got nothing for him...

The way I see it 3-n-6 is appropriate...With him we would have been a sure "PO" team if his heart had been in the right place...

Zack on the other hand we let walk as well as Gallery...NO regret on any of that...We may yet have 2 or 3 3rd rd picks as a result...

PantyRaider....Who Else But Bush Would Merit That Franchise Tag!!!/_

10:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Kamerion Wimbley 26 2012

Unofficial list:

Bush was listed as 2011 but that was old info...

10:42 AM  
Blogger H said...

By the way, don't discount the Horned Helmets. Five of their sixs loses have been by seven or less points. Mostly less. Also, they took Detroit to overtime.

Also, they are only giving up 94.4 yards rushing per game.

The good news is we are 3-1 on the road and Minnesota will be coming off a Monday night road game against Green Bay.


12:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Last time this board and the media took a game for granted, the Broncos shocked us with a come from behind win (Raiders loss).

Thankfully, KC didn't learn much from that game and left us alone in first place.

Personally, I don't like the long period between games... resembles a bye week, and the chance of an all too familiar complacency by the Raiders.

There are no gimmes in the NFL. Every win must be earned. Jackson can’t emphasize that enough to his players.

IMO, the Raiders will need to get (and stay) real hungry in order to see this thing through. Looking ahead in the schedule doesn’t help.

Right now, the Raiders are 0-0 against the NFC North. First up, Vikings.

Tonight should provide a great opportunity for the Raiders to preview the Vikings... who I’m sure aren’t prepared to lay down for anybody.

2:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

With 7 games left, and a 5-4 record - one game up in first place, I figure we can only afford two losses to make the playoffs. If those losses come against Green Bay and Chicago, I think we even still win our division. If we lose them in our own division, we're a wild card at best.

My idea is that we just say, "Screw that!" and win them all.

2:30 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

yes blanda, and lets hope the right defense shows up and stays the rest of the year..

9:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I'm very confident in our offense being able to move the ball and score.

The key to me for the remaining 7 games is the D and specifically the ability to defend the run.

10:21 PM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

I'm scared of the Minnesota game, and here's why. Adrian Peterson. The teams that have beaten Minnesota have shut down Adrian, and held him to minimal carries.
Take last night's game, he had 14 carries for 51 yards. Is our defense up to the task, or is he going to burn us up?
We better not look past this game, because Adrian is fresh coming off the Packers game.
Hey Curry, my verse for you this week, Psalm 1:3, "He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does he prospers." Play like a tree firmly planted by streams of water.

6:15 AM  
Blogger H said...


If you will look back, a few hours before kickoff I was posting that no one should take the Geldings game lightly. There are no gimmes in the league. At the time of my posting the Chefs were getting whacked about the head and shoulders by the winless Fish.

I’m a half full kinda guy, but you have to be realistic. Hmm, realistic optimism, can I claim that as a technical term?

Hey Nate, I don’t know if I want him to play “firmly planted,” but I get your drift. It’s his season, yield some fruit.


7:05 AM  
Blogger H said...

This just in, Matt Cassle may require surgery on his hand that could sit him down for the remainder of the season.


7:26 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"KC" is done...The "Vikes" know their done....That "Donkey" hangs on for life on a prayer..."SD" is steadily sinking and don't know who to blame...

We have all been there before!!!...

Meanwhile we are enjoying a resurgence that carries the hope of momentum and glory...This team is up and their fans are up as well...Why hold anything back...Go for the gusto and preach it along he way....

"Death-n-Humiliation" to all who stand in our way on that trip to the "PO"s and our eventual destiny to return to the "SB"!!!!

PantyRaider....My Cup Is Way More Than Half Full!!!!/_

And nothing I can say will have ANY effect on our season or this game...I can't "Enable" nor can I jinks!!!....But support is what I have and that's what I'll give onto the end!!!

8:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The very notion that the Vikes are "done" is exactly what makes them extremely dangerous... they have nothing to lose.

And last time I checked, Adrian Peterson was still a better RB than Tim Tebow.

9:01 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


2-n-7 without hope is "Done"...4-n-5 without your "QB" and a horrific schedule to finish the season is "Done"...

Now that doesn't mean that some players and fans will be die hards and keep fighting to the bitter end...I resemble that!!!...But soon after getting behind the wind comes out of their sails and it's damn near imposible to keep the emotion up and the fight inside...That's just "Sports Psychology" and it affects us all and most certainly affects a team sport like football where all it takes is a few to drag the entire team down...

As we all well know!!!...Porter/Moss/Sapp/Lamont!!!

PantyRaider....They Prolley Won't Be In It For 4 Complete Quarters!!!/_

9:09 AM  
Blogger H said...

Being done doesn't mean you want to lose. The fact that we are not done makes them want to try evern harder. They want to make sure we stay home also.

The Chefs are playing at the Patsies, the Dolts are at the Teddy Bears, and the Bi-Planes are at the Geldings. They are all playing teams with winning records.

We win there's an even chance we have a two game lead. We lose, we could be tied again.

We'll know more on Friday morning.

One more thing. We are only one game in the loss column from the best in the AFC. Home field is also still within our grasp.

If they can't get up for that, well, fill in the blank. Jackson needs to get them up and stop letting them play down to the level of the competition.


10:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Texans -n- Pitts are 7-n-3....

But Houston lost their "QB" and we have that Head-to-Head tie breaker....Tough to catch Pitts I think???

You never want to lose but when there's no hope it's also very tough to stay focused and keep giving it your all threw the pain...That's just the psychological battle that takes place in all sports...So I just saying that if we can get a lead on them they may not have it in themselves to play 4 full quarters....Did you think the Vikes gave their all to the very end of that blowout???....

I sure as hell don't!!!

We have all been there before...The wind comes out of your sails and hopelessness sets in...Keep looking for an opportunity for something to happen as you sink deeper and deeper into despair...That's the team we will prolley face with a short week for them to get up for us...

Plus they have a new injury to deal with...Lost for the season...

PantyRaider...But Life Goes On!!!/_

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

H, what I meant by my "tree planted firmly" is nobody is going to knock a tree out of its position with their run game. Not so much of the, "I don't want them to move at all."
Then, and only then, will it bear fruit.

Here are the teams currently ahead of the Raiders record wise in the AFC:
Steelers and Texans 7-3
Patriots, Ravens, Bengals 6-3

Here are the teams tied with us:
Jets, Bills, and Titans. We have the upper hand on the Jets.

What is sad is that the Raiders are 2-3 at home, and 3-1 away. We need consistency now if we are going to make the playoffs. I really hope that our goal is not just the playoffs either, I want a championship!

10:54 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, I wouldn't say that we are "up" just yet. But we're climbing. We still have cakes of dirt on our heads and shoulders. We need to brush that off, and finally step out of this hole.

I'll believe that we are "up" when we win at least three in a row.

11:23 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

From today's live chat:

12:17 Comment From Robert:
"Do you think they should move Bruce Campbell to the D-Line?"

12:18 Steve Corkran:
"No, I don't. I view him as another player who was drafted by Al Davis that coach Jackson doesn't believe in, and Jackson is overlooking him. Same goes for Jason Campbell, Heyward-Bey and Terrelle Pryor."

Ouch! Where's the love?

In a couple weeks, Jason Campbell becomes the best option the Raiders have for backup QB.

Until JC went down, I will have to say that DHB looked pretty good at WR (so his improvement is tremendous!).

Bruce Campbell is still an unknown.

Pryor is the wildcard, IMO. The guy is known as a freakish athlete so he's worth a hard look after using a 3rd round pick on him.

5:25 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Former Green Bay Packers general manager Ron Wolf said in an interview that former Raiders linebacker Reggie McKenzie would be an ideal fit as the Raiders general manager.
Wolf, who also used to work for the Raiders, said McKenzie, the Packers director of football operations, is an astute judge of talent and every bit as qualified as former Packers general manager Ted Thompson.
“Reggie’s a tremendous evaluator,” Wolf told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “He can tell you who can play and who can’t play. That’s what it’s all about. Some can write reports but can’t tell you who can play. Whatever that is, he has that. He has a feel.”


Pryor has been involved in some trick play that never got a chance to develop...So I just don't believe that "Mediot" Crap!!...

"DHB" has been in the game it's Palmer who has failed to get him the damn ball!!!

"JC" is OUT so now how the freakin hell is he being overlooked???

The reality here is that "Action Jackson" has a very full plate...So a few things may get pushed to the back burner while being developed in the background...Pryor...Who I would expect to see if this team can ever put someone away early enough to get him some reps...Maybe this week...But Hue needs to develop what wins now and concentrate on his best options to do that NOT worry about who ain't getting enough freakin time...

And for 3 weeks it was "DHB" getting all the time while Moore and others were being neglected...That was still under hue was it not!!!

Just a little simple evaluating what those damn "Mediot"s puke up!!!

PantyRaider...Don't Swallow That "Mediot" Vomit!!!/_

8:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"Up" as in excited...Getting Up for the games -n- season...This team and the fans were down for a very long period of time but now we can fell the energy building...

9:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Word is that no new "GM" will be hired until after this season...

I sorta like the idea of Reggie McKenzie...Former player who understands the "Raider Way" and has been/is director of football operations for a "SB" winning franchise that producing very well all season...Undefeated!!!...

"astute judge of talent"..."evaluator" who would work nicely with Hue -n- our drafts...

Of all the names that have been thrown around this one gets me the most excited...

PantyRaider...Now Have To Wait -n- See!!!/_

9:18 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

McKenzie would be a very nice addition to the organization. The Wolf blessing makes this a "no-brainer".

CONSISTENCY ... the word is mentioned quite a bit by the RT crew and Hue Jackson on a regular basis as a goal and for good reason.

This has been an unusual season with a 1st year head coach, the passing of Al Davis, the transition of the organization moving on w/o Al, new QB, additional players being added, key injuries, etc.

In spite of these difficulties, the team is right on the cusp of establishing itself.

In order to do that and take a very important forward step, we need to stack up "W"s, improve our performance at home (2-3), play good run defense regularly, beat all sub .500 teams on the docket, get a few wins vs. tough opponents (Chi, GBay, Det.), and finish the season strong vs. 2 hated divisional rivals (@ KC, vs. SD).

A tough task but it is right in front of this team IF it can manage to become a CONSISTENT performer, week in, week out.

In spite of the Cassel injury, TeBlow at QB for the Donkeys, and a struggling SD team, the AFCW is completely up for grabs.

The Raiders need to seize this opportunity starting this Sunday.

10:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

NFL | Road teams dominating
Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:09:05 -0800

Week 10 in the NFL marked the second week in a row that 10 road teams won games.

Vikings | Antoine Winfield to have surgery
Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:57:59 -0800

Minnesota Vikings CB Antoine Winfield (clavicle), who will be placed on the Injured Reserve, will undergo surgery to fix his broken clavicle Wednesday, Nov. 16. Free-agent CB Benny Sapp (Dolphins) will work out for the team and is a candidate for a roster spot.

Vikings | Erin Henderson day-to-day
Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:58:24 -0800

Minnesota Vikings LB Erin Henderson (hamstring) is being listed as day-to-day after suffering a minor hamstring injury in Week 10.

Vikings | Husain Abdullah injury update
Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:05:21 -0800

Minnesota Vikings SS Husain Abdullah (concussion) sustained a concussion in the team's Week 10 game.

Vikings | Christian Ponder injury update
Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:47:19 -0800

Minnesota Vikings QB Christian Ponder (hand) said following Week 10 that he had an X-ray on his left hand. He said it was swollen but would probably be fine. Ponder was hit six times in the game.

Vikings | Antoine Winfield fractures clavicle
Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:23:40 -0800

Minnesota Vikings CB Antoine Winfield (clavicle) suffered a fractured clavicle in the second half of the Week 10 game against the Green Bay Packers Monday, Nov. 14, and he is likely done for the season.

10:33 PM  
Blogger H said...


I understand, I just liked the bear fruit in it's season aspect of it.


7:22 AM  
Blogger H said...

Currently Oakland is opening at a 1 1/2 point favorite


3:02 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

nyraider said...

Last time this board and the media took a game for granted, the Broncos shocked us with a come from behind win (Raiders loss).

True, but they needed a bazillion rushing yards and some big breaks to do it.

And St. Palmer still only had a few weeks of work with his receivers.

Palmer can win a shoot-out with any team now... even if AP goes crazy... and the defense is capable of shutting teams down. just not consistently.

This team can stick 30 on any team in the NFL IMO.

Its either going to be a Raider blow-out, or they win a shoot out if the run control problem rears its head again.

No way Minn's QB wins a shoot-out.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

BTW, we lose Sunday, we have no business being in the playoffs.

Minn is a horrible team with a great RB, and one good speed rusher.

This SHOULD be a blow-out.

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure that the only AFC West team that can beat the Raiders now is the Raiders.


6:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Another note on Vikes losses:

Chris Cook is not Vikings #1 CB.
On Oct. 25 he was charged with felony domestic assault, after allegedly attempting to strangle his girlfriend. In a statement released by the Vikings Nov. 7, they stated that Cook had been moved back to the 53-man roster (after 2 weeks of suspension), but that he would not practice or play while he was still facing criminal charges.
I think Cook has a Nov. 22 court hearing, so until that (at least) he’s out.

"CP3" should have an opportunity to really light up their secondary this week while Bush/"TJ" demolish them on the ground...

PantyRaider...This One Should Be Ours!!!/_

8:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I agree totally...No reason not to win this one...

If we get up on the points maybe we will see my boy Pryor in the game late to give him a little prep work...

PantyRaider....Palmer Should Really Light This One Up!!!/_

8:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

#8 Bears -n- #10 Lions Above Us In The Power Polls....

12 Oakland Raiders 5-4

13 New York Jets 5-4

14 Dallas Cowboys 5-4

15 Buffalo Bills 5-4

16 Atlanta Falcons 5-4

17 Tennessee Titans 5-4

18 San Diego Chargers 4-5

8:40 PM  
Blogger H said...

OK, the Vikings have not allowed a back to rush for 100 yards this season. Pretty consistant. They have allowed only six in five seasons. They are not just one speed rusher on defense. Their DT's are solid, especially against the run.

Yep, the Geldings did get a bizillion rush yards. We are Jekyll and Hyde with our run defense. The Vikes have Adrian Peterson. They are capable of getting a bizillion yards also.

Five of their six losses prior to Monday have been by 7 or less. Mostly less. Monday was against the defending SB champs who are undefeated.

We should win, but this will be a test. The NFC appears to be stronger this season, so don't just look at their record and say terrible team. The Chefs sure thought the Fish were terrible. We thought the Geldings were terrible and they are 3-1 since Tebow took over. And 3-1 is the bottom line.

I sure would like a blowout. But the odds of it happening are pretty slim. Slim might still be in town, but he is definitely at the bus station.


5:54 AM  
Blogger H said...

I will be happy to be wrong. But, I feel we are going to need Janikowski's leg in this one. Expecially late.

My only concern on that one is his accuracy. He hasn't been able to practice though he has been kicking in the games.


5:59 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


One other notable factor is the Vikes 2nd half collapse after having a lead...So that "D" runs out of gas or loses concentration or ???...But teams do come back on them and take the games away...

But now with the newbie "QB" they haven't even had the lead???

PantyRaider...They Were Punished With A Short Week To Face Us Rested!!!

8:30 AM  
Blogger H said...

We were well rested after the bye week. Were we not?

That game should have opened everyone's eyes. We're better, but we still have a ways to go.

We're going to need Palmer's and our receiver's best, because the Vikes are 6th best in the league against the run.

When it comes to matchups this is what I see:

We run the ball very well. They defend the run very well.

We don’t defend the run very well. They run the ball very well.

Veldheer is playing well, but he is going up against a guy with 13.5 sacks.

They match up very well against us. That’s why we need a strong game from Palmer and our receivers.

Also, “...So that "D" runs out of gas or loses concentration or ???...But teams do come back on them and take the games away...”

Sounds like the Buffalo and Denver games to me. Buffalo came back on us passing, and Denver running.

Maybe this is the game where Palmer hits his stride and throws for 400 yards and three TD’s with no interceptions. We just may need that type of performance considering the roller coaster defense we’ve seen this year.


9:27 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As H points out, Vikings bring far more to the table than some here appear to think.

They have one of the best RBs in football and a solid run defense.

We live and die by the run on both sides of the ball, yet it appears the Vikings are prepared to play to our strengths.

It's no coincidence that Palmer looked so good last week. Bush ran wild and helped make that happen.

A shoot-out with the Vikings could change all that. We will need Bush to stay on target to help balance our attack and keep the D off the field.

Oddsmakers are no dummies. Raiders are favored by only 1 pt. That's sounds about as even as it gets.

9:38 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


That's a 4 point spread...Home field is worth 3...

Their secondary is desecrated!!!...Completely...Even the back-up that was suppose to start is out due to a spousal abuse charge...To the pass they are as vulnerable as it gets and they know it so they are more afraid of "CP3" to Moore than they are of Bush....They can't stack the box and leave that secondary exposed so I look for them to concentrate on 2 things early on...

#1...Bring the heat but do it with only their front 7/6/5....

#2...Play a Nickle or Dime package to help that weak ass secondary...But where do they get the bodies to play it???

So with the Nickle they only have their front 6...Front 5 if they go Dime...That's NOT going to stop Bush from tearing them up...Than "TJ" may get more looks with his speed...

"CP3" can tear them up deep-middle-short...Quick timing pasterns and they got no chance...They have to respect the speed and play deep giving up come back plays like we used against "SD"...Then there's the "TE"s and dump off to Bush/Reece...

In short their "D" will have their hands full...If we can sustain a few long No-Huddle drives they will get gassed...If we can score quickly they will abandon the run and air it out like they had to do against "GB" in a losing effort...

The Vike's "O" is one dimensional...Run...The rookie "QB" ain't getting it done...We will come at him and come hard...We will stack the box and dare them to throw...Than look for mistakes...This is not a running "QB" with a big time "RB"...It just one back that can do allot but not when everything is stacked against him...

The Vikes are ripe for the kill...


After the Bye Palmer was not yet in sink with his "WR"s and this "O"...He is now...

We were rested but still injured...

They threw something at us that we were ill prepared for...That Option "O"...The "D" was trying to take the "RB" but with the fakes didn't know Tebow had the freaking "Pig"...That's something that works once or twice but not a sustained system...It worked against us that whole 2nd half while at the same time our "O" ran out of plays and their "D" was anticipating well and slowing down the run...Bush's yd/carry was low in the 2nd half...We failed to make the plays and we lost...

That's not the Vikes....Neither are they "KC" and we're not the same team now....

PantyRaider...We Have Moved On...We Have Arrived!!!/_

10:33 AM  
Blogger H said...

After the break it wasn't Palmer that let us down. It was the defense.


10:44 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sure, the Raiders neutralized the Vikes home field advantage (a 3 pt spread in the betting world), but oddsmakers have us about even on the final score.

3:29 PM  
Blogger bazjoz said...

That's it, where's the beef?... here at Raider Take again and nothing new from you! this is my first post but I've been a Raider fan for 22 years, and been reading Take and the comments for years, and that's why I'm writing... I got so used to reading intelligent fan analysis on your blog whenever there was a Raider move, why so little now? did you get an extra job, fall in love, lose some fingers... there's so much happening with the team, Jackson making bold moves, so many newly recycled faces, possible GM... can we hope? I nearly puked after the Denver game and wanted to read more than just "we suck" commentary(yahoo sports), and yet so few Takes???

4:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...


I know that's directed to Raider Take but here's my 2 cents.

Jackson has brought me hope. I've liked Jackson from Day 1 but didn't really understand nor like the way Cable was removed. In hindsight, making Jackson HC was one of Davis' best last moves.

This is Jackson's rookie season, so I understand the peaks and valleys more than my commentary might let on.

Bringing in Carson Palmer was a bold (Al Davis type) move and it's already paying dividends.

And who saw replacing Groves with Curry? Curry is still a little raw but clearly a smart move by Jackson.

Add to that all the Raiders' young talent and I see this year as just the beginning of a long-awaited turnaround for the Raiders. I'm on board with giving Al Davis credit for that, just as I criticized him for years of what I saw as mismanagement.

This is a fresh new start for the Raiders and its organization.

6:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Nicely Stated "NYR"!!!


That has been gone sense this board became a platform for "Mutiney" pimping NOT renewing season tickets and being the worst team in NFL history....

Oh!!~...da Horror!!!


Yes it was the "D" and the limited amount of playbook for Palmer contributed to our "O" failing in the 2nd half...Bush too...Running the same plays over and over doesn't get it done...

Now we see allot more of the playbook involved in the passing and running game as well...

PantyRaider...Getting Better By The Week!!!/_

2:30 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Ok. Denver beat the Jets on 11 first downs and 9 completions for 104 net passing yards.

Sure, they had an INT return, but they won on a 20-yard Tebow TD run. They are finding ways to win. That's how Tebow played his entire college career.

IMO, Raiders have no margin for error if they want to win the division.

4:16 AM  
Blogger H said...


Exactly my thinking. Sunday's game has gone from solidifying our lead to must win status.


In the Denver game we had 416 yards total offense. Doesn't sound overly limited to me. Bush ran the ball well, alsmost 100 and 5.1 per rush.

The defense in that game gave up plays of 60, 32, 29, 27 and 26. That's five plays for 174. College stuff.

And the special teams gave up a punt return for a TD.

Limited playbook had nothing to do with it. Even my infernal optimism has limits. We've been hearing about the potential of this defense since last season. It's time for the players and coaches to stop talking about how good they CAN be and show how good they ARE.

The offense has plugged in backups and put up 322, 416 and 489.

With the exception of McClain, the front seven has been healthy. That's where the run defense starts and most of the pressure comes from.

The offense has been consistant. The defense has basically been playing .500 ball.

Talent, potential and a buck sixty will get you a coffee at Starbucks, but not much else if that's all you are relying on.

Tebow is 4-1 as a starter. But, take a look at how the defense has played during that stretch. In three of the four wins their defense has given up 15, 10 and 13 points. Even Jamarcus Russell might have been able to win those.

If this team is to win the division and possibly win a playoff game, which I firmly believe they can, the defense can afford zero off days for the forseeable future. And, that future is all the way into February.


5:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


1st Half: Up 7-17

First Downs 7 8
Total Yards 116 204
Passing Yards 48 131
Rushing Yards 68 73
Penalties (Yds) 5(40) 9(85)
Turnovers 0 1
Punts (AVG) 4(41) 3(49)
Time of Pos. 16:01 13:59

Game Stats:

26/100yds Rushing
19/35 316yds Passing

2nd Half Stats:

9/27yds Rushing 3yd ave
12/24 175yds Passing "TD" 2 "INT"s Fumble

Not a very good 2nd half showing against that "Donkey"...

PantyRaider...But We be Better Now!!!/_

6:40 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Belated Postgame / Early Pregame Take is up.

7:28 AM  

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