Sunday, January 02, 2011

Chiefs Gameday Thread

Well, this is it, this is where we either fall short of what I considered the bare minimum in the win column for 2010 (eight wins), or we end the season on a high note and reach the .500 mark for the first time in way too long. GO RAIDERS!

116 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uno

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McFadden and Seymour out

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my feelings of the season are of what might have been (cards, jags) mixed with pride in the 6-0 division record mixed with some right stinkers (titans,dolphins,49ers) and some beatings from better teams (steelers,colts). gut feeling we should keep Cable but it will be a disaster if we lose Jackson. Go Raiders (and get the CBA sorted NFL/NFLPA!)

1:16 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Our defense is just NASTY today! And how about Campbell and Ford and Bush today, all getting it done.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And they made it.
2 more in the w column and they'd be in the playoffs..
A good season by recent standards but should and could have been better.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Keep Cable for sure. Keep the CONSISTENCY, when the running game is going, this team is hard to deal with. Have a QB that can get the ball downfield and this Offense will be very strong. Defense was huge today, McClain making a statement. Keep what is in place and add to it. 6-0 in the division is huge and sets the plate for better things next yr, overall, I grade the year a C+ to B.

JONES

1:24 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Folks, we have ourselves a true football team for the first time in ages. Not a great team yet, but at least it's a football team, and that's a big step forward.

1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6-0 in Div is great.
0-6 against rest of AFC is not.
Still, going in right direction overall.
More consistency required.

1:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Monster D today. Seven sacks, 2 INTs and a TD.

Clearly, the wrong team is going to represent the AFCW in the playoffs. At best, KC limps in and gets their ass kicked in the first round.

Great way to finish the season for the Raiders.

Keep all the coaches in tact. We need to see one more year of this regime to understand what we have.

1:36 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

In my view, this was the best, most complete victory of the season for 1 primary reason. This game was the epitome of a "true character" game.

To go on the road, in a game that is relatively meaningless, win by 21 points, without your best offensive and defensive players (McFadden, Seymour), and completely manhandle the Chefs is truly impressive.

I'm 100% in support of keeping the entire coaching staff, keeping Campbell as #1 QB, resigning key Raider free agents, and adding a few pieces to the mix in the draft and free agency.

2:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Michael Huff proved me right today. He's a player, and he should be brought back with a new contract.

It's been suggested that the Raiders need two top level CBs to make their M2M defense work.

To that extent, we have two.

If you believe in stats, check out the numbers Stanford Routt put up this year. He will probably lead the league in lowest percentage of pass catches by WRs he defended. That places him with the elite CBs.

DHB had another hugely disappointing year. He had the only bad plays we saw today... A fumble that cost 3 points and a drop on 3rd down. And he was forced to spin all the way around on a stop and go route in which he looked lost. (Now watch the usual suspects call me out and defend this guy.)

The honeymoon should be over with this kid.

OL needs help this offseason. Can someone explain why we were better today running to the right than the left? Isn't that the side that needs the most work? Hmm, maybe both sides need an upgrade. Veldheer may be the only starting OL player with upside potential. Gallery and others are playing at the top of their game, which is marginal at best for some.

Campbell may be worth another look next year. He's not going to win games by himself, but he won't lose them either. With a solid running game, he is effective. And with time, he can be very accurate on long throws (i.e., unless his WR gets spun around).

He seemed to grow with the team this year, which should be expected.

2:36 PM  
Blogger H said...

There are many positives for this season. But, already the rumors are starting. Headline on BSPN website is Cable is "Unlikey" to be brought back. I love how these "league sources" hedge their bets.

I say, man up. Put your name out there and take a stand stop all this anonymous "unlikely" crap.

Jackson can only leave for an HC or college position.

Calico,

Interesting stats on Routt. Since this was his first year as a full season starter, he should be even better next year.

The big thing on offense and defense now is finding that game to game consistancy.

NYRaider,

I agree on DHB. The honeymoon needs to end. For the most part I think it has. He is listed as a starter, but his reps have been way down.

With no first round pick we'll take a closer look at free agency to fill some spots. But, I don't expect any big splashes there. Just good solid roll players.

Cable has these guys playing as a team and playing hard. My vote is to bring him back. This team was so low, it's just now getting into positive territory.

I really make this his second season. He was thrused into the "interim" job. I honesty don't look at that season as part of his resume in returning this team to a winner. It was part of his evaluation of the team.

I say bring them all back. Continuity is very important now.

H

3:55 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Season ends on a great note. Perfect in the division, and smashing the Chefs.

If Hue Jackson leaves, how about this.

Why not Harbough of Stanford as OC/Asst. HC ?

He might like this better then 9er pergatory.

Or how about Josh Mcdaniel as OC ?

Kid has something to prove, and maybe just wasn't ready for the top spot yet.

Just some thoughts.

5:12 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

With Schefter reporting Cable is a goner, the odds of him staying just doubled. Thanx Adam!

Nice to see my man Chaz getting a TD! Huff had his finest day as a Raider... right before contract time! Where has this been for 5? years??

How did the Chiefs win 10 games this year??

Still not sold on Campell... Bush helped him out a ton this game (do we have 2 of the better receiving RBs in the league or what>)... his accuracy is spotty at best. He still stares down his primary too much, and holds on to the ball too long under pressure. I'd still like to see us spending some capital on a rookie QB this draft.

Good season Raiders! Whodathunk 8-8 before the season began? Well... I will just leave it at that...

5:49 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Eight wins was the bare minimum expectation by just about everyone, as I recall.

Who here believes that firing Cable would be a mistake?

6:53 PM  
Blogger x said...

Firing Cable would be a mistake.

7:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"How did the Chiefs win 10 games this year??"

I was thinking the same thing. The Chiefs took advantage of their schedule.

Last place schedule had them facing the Bills and Browns (2 wins)

Swept the NFL Least where no team will have a .500 record after tonight (SF, AZ, St.L, Sea = 4 wins)

Beat 2 semi-decent non-playoff teams at home vs. Jax and Tenn (2 wins)

Win 2 of 6 divisional games in SD and Den (2 wins).

Add it up and you've got 10 wins.

Think about it. We go 6-0 in the division and KC goes 2-4. This leads to a ton of "what ifs?" to include AZ, SF, JAX which would put us at 11-5 instead of 8-8.

8:22 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Raider Take said...

Eight wins was the bare minimum expectation by just about everyone, as I recall.
>>>>

Lol... ok... I seem to recall anyone thinking this team could reach even 8 wins was treated as the village idiot from people such as yourself... oh wait... you didn't even have the balls to garner a guess.

Never mind.

8:36 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

gary, i was hoping for 10 wins myself...


NY, "Campbell may be worth another look next year. He's not going to win games by himself, but he won't lose them either." ummm, see niner game...

H & 00,
i'm all for continuity and for keeping cable BUT harbaugh is out there. NO WAY he comes here as an assistant. kawakami's article for tomorrow (monday) is already out. he's imlpying that davis just might think about hiring him just because he can't stand the thought of harbaugh landing in denver or 4949 centenial way. it would cost millions that davis would refuse to pay to a coach but that's what you've gotta do to get a hot coaching name in here. besides, what's 5-6 mil compared to throwing away $40 mil for a bust QB? it's a pipe dream but remember - harbaugh was a raider QB coach not too long ago...

davis must keep the core of this team together. another good and smart draft and a couple of key free agent signings (ie DL or OL or WR)and keeping our own free agents and we're goin' places!

12:59 AM  
Blogger Doobie said...

I'm not sold on Cable as the ultimate answer as coach but I certainly think he's done a damn good job turning this team around. I think he should be allowed to coach until further notice.

I believe this team is just beginning to find itself and this recent draft class (McLain, Ford, Valdheer, etc.) is proving to be one of their better ones in recent memory. Firing Cable would only bring them back to a period of instability.

4:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firing Cable would be idiotic. I like Hugh Jackson but if he leaves- he leaves. If Davis cans Cable because he's worried about losing Jackson, that's just ridiculous. This team was in the bowels of the NFL and Cable has brought them back to respectability. They are a year away from being serious contenders. Don't F up now Al!!

RaiderMike

4:54 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Firing Cable would only bring them back to a period of instability."

That's exactly how I see it. Lack of continuity is one reason we've waited eight years for a .500 record.

Hiring another marginal HC (Harbough will not be a Raider HC under Davis) will only set us back again.

Scorpio - Campbell has been solid since coming back after Ski's injury. I think it's unfair that you point to a single game in the early part of the season, and one which bad playcalling was a huge factor in the loss.

Just like coaching, we could do much worse at QB... and have.

The point is, be careful what you wish for. Look no further than some of the decisions made in the seven years prior to this year. For right now, "less is more." The fewer changes that are made, the better.

The current team/QB/coaching just provided an old school beat down to a 10-win team entering the playoffs (now limping).

IMO, this is the Raiders team you want to start next season... plus a couple nice additions.

5:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Said Cassel: “They dominated us all day long and there’s no other way to put that. They’re a big, physical group. They try and match you up one-on-one across the board and they were winning their one-on-one battles today.”

Sometimes M2M works (like against the division). But when it doesn't (like against the rest of the NFL), it would be nice to know how to play another style of defense, well.

Here's Romo on Schefter saying Cable's return is unlikely.

"He called Schefter a “great guy” and said, “I wrote my book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up.”

Davis only has until Jan 18 to exercise Cable's option. If it's going to happen, it will happen on Jan 17 at 11:49 pm.

IMO, Davis' loyalty is to Jackson, and that may cost Cable a job he deserves to see through next year.

5:38 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
scorpio said...

gary, i was hoping for 10 wins myself...
>>>


Hoping for and predicting are two very different things.

I don't think there's anyone on this forum that didn't HOPE for 10+ wins before the season started.

But thats not what I am referring to.

I am referring to the general treatment of the optimists before the season started as village idiots.... I remember saying how their reputation depended on the Raiders sucking this year.

It didn't happen and now suddenly everyone wants to pretend they all were just as right as we were.

Maybe it shouldn't matter... were all in this together... but it sure didn't feel that way leading up to the season.

At any rate... I will drop it... nice to see the gloom-and-doomers posting optimistic posts again.

Welcome aboard... I guess.

8:16 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Gee, imagine our spirits and outlook being raised by the Raiders finally competitive football? How strange.

8:21 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Good to see folks know exactly what's going on in Al Davis' office.

Cable has earned another year. The team has gone through a complete overhaul under Cable's guidance. I'd like to see him be able to drive it out of the garage. But the rebuild is now complete. Nothing left but the tweaking.


Campbell is a damn good QB. Those who can't see that are blinded by seven years of losing. QB is NOT a priority in 2011. Frankly, there won't be a season in 2011 anyway. The country's in a union busting mood, and that spells
l-o-c-k-o-u-t.

Because of the impending lockout, Davis is unlikely to make major changes.

8:23 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The fact is, it's very likely that at some point in 2011 the Raiders will field a scab team like they did in '82. I think this coaching staff would do very well with a scab team.

That's not intended as an insult, but a compliment. They are good teachers.

8:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, either they will have a new CBA or some type of extension or temp agreement will carry them into 2011. A lockout/stoppage of any kind would be devastating to the league, owners, players, fans future ad sponsorships, etc.

As it is, favorable TV contracts (which are allowing the owners to flex their muscles right now) will be revised in the future to better protect the networks.

By itself, the NFL Network is a joke, and doesn’t have the coverage nor the ad revenue capability of the major networks.

9:23 AM  
Anonymous Derick from Section 344 said...

I absolutely believe the Raiders should retain Cable. The Players like him, they play hard for him, we've seen improvement and, probably most importantly, he GENUINELY wants to be here.

But, if for whatever reason he will not be retained. ANNOUNCE IT TODAY!!! Let's not waste 2 weeks of mindless speculation while everyone else with a vacancy gobbles up every worthy candidate. I guess that doesn't matter as much if the intent is to elevate Hue Jackson, but even still, end the speculation, let Cable or whoever the hell else is going to coach this team begin preparation for next season as soon as humanly possible.

If only Jano could have made that Field Goal in AZ!

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Raiders definitely exceeded my belief, that they would go 7-9. I think this was a positive step and I really think Cable has earned at least 1 more year.

Jackson may have improved the offense, but it takes more than a good coach to succeed in Oakland, the coach must be able to work with Al and all the constraints that come with that.

Cable has proved he can. This is rare and should not be discarded.

If we keep Cable we can go into next year feeling MINTY FRESH!

Roy

10:41 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Preseason predictions, go back and look, mine was 7-9. 8-8 isn't winning the SB, unless you are in the NFC WEST. 8-8 is BETTER, but next year, playoffs or it's a bust. It was a good year considering the 7 before it, but, it HAS TO CONTINUE, taking steps back or staying at the same level is not good enough. Gary and his ilk may think that hitting 8-8 is the pinnacle, others expect more. But, this is a guy who says the players and coaches suck and then calls others IAAFERS or whatever. He is saying in his own way that Al sucks because he picked the coaches and players....so, really, who is the doom and gloomer? Just here to puff up their own ego and really have no intention of being consistent or truthful. We have been aboard Gary, just not on YOUR ship, that's right Gary, just drop it.

JONES

11:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

For the record:

10-n-6 was my projection on record here several times...I was wrong but NOT at all disappointed in my team...Yes we made some mistakes and yes we left some pts on the field and yes the "Zebra" had a hand in it...

Re: "HC"

Cable stays...If there are moves it will be at "DC"...I would like a move at "WR" Coach but that may not happen...

Re:"D"

There is NOTHING wrong with the schemes...It's the "Consistency" that's the issue here...The players are adequate when things are called properly but we should look at upgrades at "CB" simply because Namndi in now a little long in the tooth...Also "DT" could be made a better area of strength...

Re: "O"

It suffers from the same problem as the "D"...The issue is "Consistency"...At "QB" and at execution...

Possible and needed upgrades include:

"QB"...We don't go into the season with only one and there needs to be competition at this level...I'm still pimping "VY"...Last weeks work in the passing game payed off this week as "JC" was better...Still threw behind and off time but not as bad...

"WR"..."DHB" is who he is and trying to make him Jacoby Ford or Murphy isn't going to happen...He's a Raider and he should get equal development and consideration as anyone else regardless of your views regarding his draft position...Chaz is back and that's nice to see but we need another body or 2 while letting some dead weight go...I'm pimping Plaxico "GunDumb" Burris and Vincent Jackson...

"OL"...They can play when the situation fits but need upgrades at "RT" for sure...We may already have the "RG"s...."C" should be considered as well...

"RB"...This is a great unit so we need to keep Bush...

"FB"...I like what Reece has done but a upgrade would also be valuable depth...

"TE"...Zack is the man but we need another quality player for the other side and depth...There should be a "FA" available...

Re: Attitudes on this Board

Well it's certainly nice to see an improvement and Cable has evidently also had his affect here at cleaning up this "LockerRoom" Cancer...."IAAF"er still remain and will NO doubt infect this board during this off season as well but just maybe there will be enough resistance to it to stop from sliding back into the ream of total "Doom-n-Gloom" as in the past....But I won't hold my breath...I fully expect the "Criers Circle" to remain upon the "Trail-o-Tears" spewing up torrents and a deluge in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"...

PantyRaider...Prove me Wrong!!!!/_

By the way...I projected a Raider 30-13 "V"....I was off by 4 pts because "KC" didn't go for 3pts late when they had the chance...My Bad!!!...

11:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

LIAR....

You posted this team would NEVER win again as long as Al Davis was still in charge...Now...Go Back -n- LOOK because YOU HAVE NO TRUTH!!!

11:41 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

As I've said in the past. If Raiders can upgrade any area, do it.

If Al Davis believes, Jim Harbough, or Hue Jackson, is improvement over Cable, he has to make the move.

The thing about Cable is, he is sloooooooowly, moving this team along.

Maybe Al wants a HC more bold, and daring, that can make the Raiders improve at a faster pace.

And afterall, Cable did lose games to weak, Cards/Texans/Fish/9ers.

This cost a playoff spot for sure.

Maybe he deserves the boot.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Stupid shit, 8-8 isn't winning, I also said if Al BACKS OFF and let's go, this team has the talent, but you are too fucking stupid to know it. Just stay with your copy and paste routine because as soon as you try and use your brain, you lose it.

JONES

12:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 - don't lose track of the fact that Cable doesn't call the plays on either side of the ball.

He is the guy that the players rally around and play hard for, which is a significant reason they won division games like Sunday. He plays a major role in the lockerroom and regarding the mindset of his players. Based on their improved W-L record and a couple games they were close, the "Cable Factor" seems to work.

Sure, Harbaugh would be a significant upgrade at HC, but Davis won't pay him nearly what other teams will. So there's no need to get into the other reasons he wouldn't come to Oak.

I could see the combination of Jackson as HC and McDaniels as OC, but, again, I believe that hurts the stability and continuity that has been created by Cable (and Jackson).

It's all guesswork until Davis says otherwise. No matter what you can imagine, stranger things can happen.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

DHB should get just as much attention and leeway as anyone else? What if DHB was say, a 4th rounder. Do you think he would be a starter? Do you think he would be on the roster? The only reason he is on the team is because Al picked him as a # 7 overall. If the Raiders cut him, does anyone think he gets picked up? Maybe as a Practise roster guy. Some people are just better off reading and not writing.

JONES

3:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Than Some are just too damn dumb to understand what they read...Especially when trying to understand "Scheme" and how it applies defensively...

NOT to mention the stupidity of trying to LIE after MONTHs-n-MONTHs of posting the RAIDERS WILL NEVER WIN AGAIN UNTIL AL IS DEAD!!!

The whole time POSTING IN ALL CAPS LIKE IT MEANS SOMETHING SPECIAL!!!

Damn Dumb as a BOY could come!!!!...

And YA!...THAT's PERSONAL!!!!

3:41 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

After watching last night's game, I think both the Rams and the Seahawks could use DHB.

But that doesn't change my opinion of him on the Raiders. He's at best #4 on the depth chart, and that should drop quickly with the addition of one decent vet WR or another 4th round rookie draft pick.

3:47 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Waste, you will always be a waste of time. 8-8 is NOT WINNING, is it? It's breaking even, winning is going to the playoffs and winning a game or 2 at least. You think scheme = formation, you are too freakin dumb to know the difference. I don't want to sound arrogant, but you are just too freakin dumb to even try to have an argument with. Let your wife teach you some math homework and maybe your brain might get past your 3rd grade education, got it, JETHRO?

JONES

3:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Keep it on FootBall BITCH!!!

NO doubt your family has some very serious issues if your their damn dumb offspring but I have NO need nor desire to understand why they didn't just have an ABORTION!!!...

Now DEFINE "Scheme" asshole without using any formations to call it out...I dear you to even try....

This should really be good...Nothing like painting your self in a CORNER!!!

4:03 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Already done it, Jethro, I'm not going into your circle of stupidity, you can only play that game so many times before people know it's a DEAD HORSE, like you. It must suck that your wife is more mature than you. By the way, you brought your family, your shacks and whatever else on to this site, don't blame me because you are JETHRO.

JONES

4:12 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Keep it on FootBall BITCH!!!

NO doubt your family has some very serious issues if your their damn dumb offspring but I have NO need nor desire to understand why they didn't just have an ABORTION!!!..."

Is that keeping it on FootBall? One rule for the YOU, different for others, now how could anyone have a decent discussion with someone like you? It has to be level, not just what you want. But, that's all you think about, is your own ego, you don't really care about anything else, you just pretend you do.

JONES

4:17 PM  
Blogger onandonandon said...

If not for Cable working against Jason Campbell, we'd possibly have one or two more wins. Cammpbell had his worst season after showing improvement each season in Washington. I can see fan getting overexcited about Grad, but the HC should have known better.

And no, I don't think Campbell is 'the answer,' but then the odda of a team acquiring that type of player is pretty rare. I'd love to bring in Vince Young to compete for the job or attempt to get lucky in the draft. but until then, there's no question that Campbell is by far and away the best QB on our roster. Cable should have known this. Frankly, I think he's pretty pathetic. I have yet to see him produce the goods on the offensive line, and the fact that he refuses to bench H-bey is astounding (or is it Al?). Whether Al is controlling him or not, he's more a politician than a head coach. If not for getting Hue Jackson, the Raiders would be in the same boat as last season. Fire Cable and hire someone from with that knows how to challenge Al intellectually. Cable is not that guy.

4:35 PM  
Blogger onandonandon said...

Gary, save the bullshit. Many were in fact optimistic that some improvement could occur with the hiring of Hue Jackson. You're making up shit again. Every damn season you say the same predictable crap over and over again.

4:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Whether Al is controlling him or not, [Cable is} more a politician than a head coach."

I contend that is what it takes to be a successful Raiders HC.

Al could hire the best HC in the business and it wouldn't mean a thing if he doesn't agree with his HC.

The players are behind Cable. Cable is a loyal Raider and he's loyal to Al Davis. These are traits that a good Raiders HC make.

Jackson might be the long-term answer, but I tend to lean toward keeping Cable for at least another year for the very reason you criticize him.

Just like Campbell did, Cable earned my trust over the course of the season.

It was hard to imagine Campbell was even a serviceable QB after watching him play early on. Now he's the undisbuted starter.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYRaider,


There's no doubt the Raiders have improved each year under Cable.

But the proccess has been a very slow one.

It makes me wonder, what are the Raiders aiming for next year ? 9-7 ?, The playoff's ? The Super Bowl ?

The Raiders are inching along with Cable, but to what end ?

Don't get me wrong. I don't want Cable replaced, just for the sake of replacing him.

But if Al can snag a rising star like Harbough, well, that's something big to think about.

You say, correctly, that Harbough can get more money elsewhere.

This is true. But he also gets a total rebuild job in a league with a win now mentality.

With the Raiders, the job is 3/4 done. We just need someone to finish.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Well, your description of Cable is good, but guess what, it's the best way to work with Al. Cable can oversee the team and deal with Al as well, that's the arrangement. Kiffin wanted to rearrange that arrangement, Art wasn't good enough to deal with players of today, Norv, he was just a puppy under Al. Gruden hit Al at a vulnerable moment and was able to have full control of his aspects, not the D though.Cable is the go between, he smooths it over with players and he has Al's respect so Al will listen to suggestions.

Cable got a fair bit out of the O-line, they played well most of the year. I expected them to be worse, Veldheer was doing well, Gallery had another decent year, Center is a problem, Carlisle and Walker were better than expected. I think the running game saw some very big holes this year, give the O-line some credit.


In preseason and the start of the season, Grad was sparking the Offense, there was no doubt about that. The Offense under Campbell, at that time, looked like when Russell would enter a game, go flat. Campbell can manage a game, that's as far as his talent goes. But he is the best the Raiders have right now, a QB who will get the ball downfield will open the Offense even more, Campbell seems unwilling to do it, maybe that can change?

Of course DHB plays because of Al, 2 of the most unproductive seasons for a 1st rd WR and he is still starting? That's not on Cable.

JONES

5:25 PM  
Blogger H said...

Cable should return. Campbell earned the starting QB with a 7-5 record as a starter.

One stat that came out of the game. We did not turn the ball over in the red zone this year. Campbell hasn't done that in almost two seasons.

Davis admires loyalty and believes in continuity. He has both in Cable. The best coach we've had in seven years. Norv was handed a Super Bowl caliber team in SD. Down hill since.

For now, status quo on the coaching front.

N

5:46 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00-

"But he also gets a total rebuild job in a league with a win now mentality.

With the Raiders, the job is 3/4 done. We just need someone to finish."

Ouch! Are you actually throwing Cable to the curb after doing all the heavy lifting?

Remember when Cable took over the Raiders were at an all-time low in the history of their team and organization. This might offend some here, but Al Davis and Lance Kiffin made sure of that.

Cable survived ALL the distractions that came with his new role as HC as well as his own personal distractions to bring this team back to respectibility.

If I could, I'd give Cable the purple heart and send him back to finish the job.

5:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

It was hard to imagine Campbell was even a serviceable QB after watching him play early on. Now he's the undisbuted starter.

Point well taken...

He spoiled my outlook towards him so much in the 1st half of the season that it's still difficult to look past it and believe he's the real deal...Especially when he continues to miss his receivers like he does...So many times behind them which signifies late...When he is on time on target it's beautiful but that's the problem...Will that terrible inconsistency ever disappear...If it does he could be very good...If not...Well than the "JustCrap" may eventually bite us in the ass again...

15/25 155yds TD not outstanding but with our run it made sense...84.5 Rate is typical with how he has played...


Raider00....

I would argue slow -n- stable is longer lasting than quick -n- insecure...Much better foundation and the personnel have more trust in their jobs knowing what to expect next week and next year...We have had that insecurity issue long enough with the past coaching carousel...Now is a good time for some continued continuity...

Slow upgrads like this past season at "OC" -n- "DL" coach were not disruptive...The same could be said for an upgrade at "DC" and "WR" coach...No major overhauls to disrupt the continued growth...


For the record...Our improvement on 3 sides of the ball has been outstanding despite the eventual outcome on the scoreboard...If we can experience anything near what we did this season in 2011 we will be contenders for sure...Besides just another 3 game improvement puts us at 11-5 and tops in the AFCW....

I'll gladly take 3 additional wins per season...5-n-11 to 8-n-8 to 11-n-5...That's right on track for a lasting dynasty...

In fact I'll go on record now...11-n-5 -n- 6-0 in the AFCW will take it and that's what I expect from my Raiders 2011....

If there's a season...

PantyRaider...Damn "Mediot"s Can't Stand Having Stability In OakTown!!!/_

Several other "HC"s or their staffs are being run...Gary Kubiak stays but they fire his staff...If that happened here all we would hear about is how Al won't let his "HC" chose his own staff...Right!!!...

6:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

JONES...

Where is that "Scheme" explanation without the use of formations to define it...Come on and put up or shut the hell up LIAR!!!....

Explain how Al's scheme is the same and always has been...

That's an impossible task to say the least...

6:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Eric Mangini is now free...He was also a "DC" at one time in "NE"...That now makes 3 X-"HC" that were prior "DC"s at some point...

Jeff Fisher was also a "DC"...

Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams has met with two of his top executives, and he isn't rushing into a decision about whether or not it's time to fire the NFL's longest-tenured coach or part with the franchise quarterback.

For the record: My projection...

"VY" will be trade bate and Al Davis will bite...

PantyRaider...2 Are Better Than 1!!!!/_

6:17 PM  
Blogger onandonandon said...

Across the bay, the players were behind Singletary. That's not the most important point to me. What's needed is a motivator and a thinker, a guy who can challenge Al intellectually and make progress on the kind of crap we've seen with H-bey. I think Hue may be that guy, but I fear we will waste another season or two on Cable, who clearly IMO is not NFL coaching material. The most positive changes we saw in the offense were the result of Hue's coaching.

6:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

While I no longer believe in the "Al Davis way" I understand and respect that it's his team... while reserving the right, as a fan, to criticize his decisions regarding the team.

With that in mind, and assuming nothing will change in the Raiders management philosophy, Cable is the best man for the job.

Jackson might also be a good HC option for the Raiders, but we don't know him well enough to say so with the same confidence that we can (and should) with Cable.

Cable is a survivor. We know exactly what we get with Cable. He is loyal to both the Raiders and Al Davis. At the same time, he's become the heart and sole of this team (if you listen to the players).

It's the perfect storm that many of you don't see.

IMO, if Jackson decides to take a HC or college job offer (circumstances which allow him to break his contract with the Raiders), you let him go. Otherwise, he and Cable and Marshall come back next year under the watchful eye of full accountability to take the Raiders to the next level.

No one here can convince me that the rebuilding process began one day sooner than Cable's tenure as HC... prior to which the Raiders hit rock bottom.

This is Cable's (and Al's) team.

Yes. It's my new "white flag" approach to the Raiders.

6:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Onandon - I get what you're saying and find it hard to disagree. However, I think you are wrong about H-Bey. I think Cable and Jackson both have eased him out of the rotation as best they could.

I will also agree that Cable is not a great HC, but he is, IMO, the best Raiders HC.

Singletary was liked, but his team was regressing. The Raiders are moving in the opposite direction under Cable.

6:28 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

If we open the 2011 season with Shillens, Murphy, and Ford healthy, there is no reason for DHB to hit the field besides an occasional snap or 2 and to be on the depth chart in case of injuries during the season.

In 26 games, he has produced 35 receptions and 2 TDs. Averaging less then 1.4 receptions per game, DHB is a project at best.

The latest rumor has Harbugh and Mike Lombardi joining the Niners. That would be a double twist of the knife into Davis' back.

I am not convinced that the duo of Jackson (HC) and McDaniel (OC) is an upgrade over Cable (HC) and Jackson (OC). All the media can speculate all they want but ALL of us should know by now the following:

At this point in time, only Davis, and Davis alone, knows the plan for the 2011 season.

6:29 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Notice here how Cable speaks...It's all about "WE" NOT "HE" or someone else...

On when he’ll meet with Al Davis to discuss his future

We’ll have a chance to meet sometime in the next two weeks, I’m sure, but nothing’s been set up. There’s nothing like that. Right now, today, it’s not necessary. We’ll do that moving forward. I think right now, a chance to reflect by everybody, evaluate the team, evaluate the staff, and do those things. I think those things are most important right now, and we’ll sit down whenever it’s right and necessary and we’ll make those decisions.

Regarding that damn "Mediot" crap...

I think everybody else who knows football knows what we’ve done. Whoever says it or writes it probably doesn’t know what the hell they’re doing. You can quote that.

Again here looking back at what "WE" did as an organization...

I think that’s the most important thing. One of the things that we did in this organization last year, I felt better that in the years I’ve been here, is we looked at everything and evaluated it, and I think that helped us go into the offseason and really make good decisions, and good choices in the draft. I think collectively, we did it right, and I think it’s on us, the challenge for all of us right now, is to be able to repeat that, if not improve it somehow.


For my part how someone can read into this that there is any type of rift that will send Cable out the door is pure and utter stupidity and Anti-Raider disruptive thinking...

PantyRaider...Cable Is Here To Stay!!!/_

6:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Onandon - If you read recent comments from Vernon Davis, the players respected and FEARED Singletary. V. Davis alluded to the fact that players were afraid to make a mistake and played tight under Singletary's strict eye. 1 game after Singletary's firing, the Niners played loose and fancy free and absolutely stomped on the Cards.

What I like about Cable as the Raiders Head Coach is that openly encourages the players to "cut it loose" and not worry about making mistakes ... as long as they are playing hard, he's got their back.

NYR hit the nail on the head with the Raiders' situation. The most important job requirement for being a successful HC in Oakland is to have an open, constructive, on-going relationship with Davis where respect for his knowledge and authority is honored BUT the HC doesn't shrink from stating his case.

6:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"DHB"...The hard worker who doesn't complain and does what ever is asked of him...

"09"

9/124yds 13.8ave TD receiving
2/19yds rushing

"10"

26/366yds 14yds ave TD receiving
4/48yds rushing

That's almost 3 times the production from one season to the next but that type of improvement in a young "WR" who was NOT very experienced coming out of college is not appreciated...Why!!...

"11" projections:

75/1050yds 14ave receiving
8/100yds rushing

Doubt that happens simply due to our game plan to dump off to the "TE"s -n- "RB"s -w- "WR"s added into the mix but NOT the mainstay of our "O" and "CJ"s lack of ability to attack down field...

Realistic expectations...

45/615yds 14ave 3 TDs...
8/100yds rushing

PantyRaider...Guess I Will Officially Adopt "DHB" As My Boy And Pimp His As A Raider Starter If He's Going To be So Miss Treated!!!/_

6:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Luis Murphy...

"09"

34/521yds 15ave 4 TDs
6/32yds

"10"

41/609yds 15ave 2 TDs
1/43yds 2 fumbles

17% improvement but he is tooted as our greatest "WR"...Hum!!...Something missing for this equation...

Jacoby Ford is the only ones who shines very early in his career as a Raider...

25/470yds 19ave 2 TDs
10/155yds 2 TDs 3 fumbles


PantyRaider...All Hail The Rookie!!!/_

7:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Al doesn't want to be "challenged", it won't work. Cable has his purpose and he does it well by the looks of it.

Waste, this is the last word, I don't need to explain scheme vs formations, everyone here knows what it is, except you of course. You don't know enough about the game to know the difference, like I said, go do some math JETHRO.


JONES

7:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Judas Boy it's very damn obvious you opened your damn mouth but can't deliver...

I never said the difference between "Formations-n-Schemes" and neither did you...

You said the "Schemes" are NOT based upon the formations and that sucker is a LIE...You can't define a defensive "Scheme" without relating it to the "Formation"...Period you idiot...

Run but you will never hide cause the TRUTH will seek you out and expose your LIES!!!...

Judas Knows NOThing!!!...

7:17 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I'm An IDIOT!!!

JONES

7:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I'm An IDIOT!!!

JONES

7:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I'm An IDIOT!!!

JONES

7:21 PM  
Blogger Jones said...

You are an idiot.

Truly Jones

7:24 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

One thing that you continue to fail to do is to put statistics in the proper context. A perfect example is your line of reasoning about DHB's "improvement" from 2009 to 2010. Improving from 9 receptions to 26 is relative. 9 receptions for a starting WR or 26 receptions for a starting WR is PINK SLIP material.

Here are the REAL #s:

2009: DHB averaged .82 receptions per game. Completely Anemic

2010: DHB averaged 1.73 receptions per game. Completely Anemic.

Yes, PR, it was a 212% improvement! Oh boy, a WR who catches 26 balls for an entire season. Hooray!

Ford got his first action in week 9 vs. KC. In 7 games, Ford outproduced DHB's # for the entire season.

As I mentioned before, if Shillens, Murphy, and Ford are healthy in 2011, DHB should rarely see the field. To climb the next rung in the playoff competitive ladder, we can't afford to have guys like DHB on the field. Every snap he takes away from guys like Ford and Murphy is one too many.

7:41 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

VERY INTERESTING:

...quote....

And the other piece of hopefully educated guesswork I have regarding the Raiders' coaching situation is this: Don't assume that Oakland offensive coordinator Hue Jackson is the natural guy to get Cable's job if there's an opening. I'm told that Davis has some significant reservations about Jackson, including Jackson's role in convincing Oakland to sign ex-Ravens quarterback Kyle Boller, who Davis thinks can't play, and Jackson's limited understanding of the team's running game, which emerged as its true strength this season. Cable, the team's onetime offensive line coach, has been pretty integral to the development of the Raiders' Darren McFadden-led run game.

...end quote....

http://tinyurl.com/2dcvtxo

With this... I'd assume Cable is back, or Al has an ace up his sleeve for a blue-chip coach.

My guess is Cable.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
As I mentioned before, if Shillens, Murphy, and Ford are healthy in 2011, DHB should rarely see the field.
>>>

Agreed.

Now lets all agree two fourths and a 7th negates the loss of one high first round pick.

When pigs fly.

There are STILL people pissed Al drafted Jano in the first round.

I really don't get it... but it is what it is.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
I think Hue may be that guy, but I fear we will waste another season or two on Cable, who clearly IMO is not NFL coaching material. The most positive changes we saw in the offense were the result of Hue's coaching.
>>>>

Insiders disagree... and he had three of the worst called games I've seen in awhile... with SF, Pitts, and Indy.

I know you don't like Cable for some unknown reason... but the steady improvement on BOTH sides of the LOS wasn't just happenstance.

Please.

8:52 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

...Umm if Al fires Cable and Hue Jackson becomes coach and the team disintegrates, what will JC say?

It was Als fault?

I bet he does!!!

8:54 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

did anyone catch the orange bowl tonight?

damn! just think if WE had that #1 pick this year. if this kid luck comes out, how lucky, lucky that carolina team will be!

9:05 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Gary:

I'm first in line to commend Davis, Cable, and the scouting staff for a banner 2010 draft class.

I'm also not opposed to giving DHB a chance to EARN his way onto the field in his 3rd year in the NFL.

Frankly, I'm just tired of hearing about what a hard worker, "great" downfield blocker he is, blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of the bar being dropped for midgets in terms of performance.

10:15 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

For all those bowing at the KC management/coaching alter...

http://tinyurl.com/24ngewk

I haven't bet all year, but will find some money for the Ravens this weekend... this team is already off the rails...

10:21 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Calico Jack said...

Frankly, I'm just tired of hearing about what a hard worker, "great" downfield blocker he is, blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of the bar being dropped for midgets in terms of performance.
>>>>

My point is that if you are so impressed with Ford/Murphy/Schillens... why worry about DHB?

We got the first three for NOTHING!

I'd gladly trade a top ten pick for three starters.

Explain why you wouldn't?

And I am still not throwing any skill player under the bus until year three because I already made that same mistake with McFadden.

I'll agree that DHB SUCKS right now... ok... happy now everyone?

But address the other points...

10:30 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Now lets all agree two fourths and a 7th negates the loss of one high first round pick.

When pigs fly.

I really don't get it... but it is what it is."

I think it bothers fans because he is wasting a position and the reason is because he was Al's pick, no other reason. Get him the hell out of there, WR is an important part of the Offense. If you are wasting the position because of ego? I bet if you asked DHB himself, he would tell you he is down on the depth chart. I bet he wouldn't call himself a #1, that's for sure. So, he is hurting the team and so is the decision to keep starting him, can you understand that? Imagine a player who could dominate at that position? Who was the last guy? Brown? Rice?, maybe Campbell would throw it downfield more often? Open up the Offense, why shouldn't this be questioned? How can you not get it?

JONES

10:59 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"I'd assume Cable is back, or Al has an ace up his sleeve for a blue-chip coach."

Now that's someone who hasn't followed the Raiders for the last 5-10-20-30 years.

Hmm, who was the last "blue-chip coach" to come to the Raiders? I forgot his name.
________

"17% improvement but he [Murphy] is tooted as our greatest "WR"...Hum!!...Something missing for this equation...

What's missing is that Murphy had an internal injury that caused him to cough up blood. He missed about a month, then was never 100% after.

Besides, I don't remember a single person saying Murphy was the Raiders #1.
__________

"For all those bowing at the KC management/coaching alter..."

Wow, does that author have an axe to grind or what? Dude, 10 wins is 10 wins.

However...

You know how somebody can hand you a jar they can't open and you pop the lid immediately; then they say, 'I started it?'

That's what the Raiders did for the Ravens. They started the jar lid... Hell they turned it a few times.

Chiefs will go down hard. That's easy money. Like taking candy from a baby.

5:32 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

“No one here can convince me that the rebuilding process began one day sooner than Cable's tenure as HC... prior to which the Raiders hit rock bottom.”

Couldn’t agree more. In fact I was saying much the same thing since last spring. In many ways I discount the “interim” span. That was a team in total disarray.

He’s basically had two seasons as HC. 5-7 and 8-8. Under any other situation without the “interim” period there would be no question he would be returning. He has won over the players, and definitely won over the majority of the fans.

So, Romo says Schefter made it all up. I wonder what Romo would say about Warren Sapp’s supposed intimate knowledge of all things Raiders? Just speculating from the statement that nobody knows what is going to happen with the Raiders.

Caico - NYRaider,

“The most important job requirement for being a successful HC in Oakland is to have an open, constructive, on-going relationship with Davis where respect for his knowledge and authority is honored BUT the HC doesn't shrink from stating his case.”

So, you guys are now agreeing with Blanda and me. We’ve been saying that for several years. If you state your case and convince him, Al Davis will give the coach what he ask for.

Also Calico, the improvement of DHB is much like the quarterback rating system. The highest rated quarterback in Sunday’s game was the Chef’s backup. But he only threw three passes. So, it’s all relative. Possibly their needs to be a stat where you can rate the wide receiver based on how many times they are targeted and how many receptions they actually make.

Now, “Chiefs will go down hard. That's easy money. Like taking candy from a baby.” With Charlie Weiss gone to Florida now Haley will be calling the plays. Weiss was brought in because Haley did a crap job calling plays in 2009. Possibly worse than Cable since he had a better starting quarterback the first nine games.

Speaking of Weiss/Haley. Jason Whitlock wrote and article that totally rips Todd Haley as a head coach. Basically saying he is immature and insecure. If so, that explains his refusal to shake McDaniels’ hand opting to lecture him after the Geldings kicked the Chef’s ass.

Weise getting the hell out of Dodge before the playoffs start is a bit strange. If he is the guy Florida wants as OC, they could have waited. It’s not as if he is going to be the HC.

H

7:32 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Re Jackson. Word today is that the 49ers want to talk to them. First off, I think the 49ers will hire Gruden because he started with that team and is a link back to their glory days.

But a lot of teams will want to interview Jackson. Don't forget that they have to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

8:12 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"If you state your case and convince him, Al Davis will give the coach what he ask for."

It's been 2 yrs and Cable still has to play DHB, he hasn't got everything, that's for sure. Don't forget the Hanson incident, Cable had to put up with that for Al. You think this is a good way to run a NFL team? I say there are better ways, better ways = more wins.

Cable seems to be able to work with Al, the team was 8-8, wait until they make the playoffs, at least, before beating your chest about how right you are. There is potential to have a functional org, so don't touch it, just leave it alone.


JONES

8:57 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

One of the things I find interesting is the notion that since Davis has fired five HCs in 12 years that he will follow that pattern until he dies.

There is a big difference between Cable and White, Bugle, Callahan, Shell, Kiffin.

White - After convincing Davis to fire Shell I (at 9-7), White led the team to 8-8 and 7-9. The team appeared to be on a decline.

Bugle - Lost his DC in the pre-season, and lost the team by the eigth game. His one season was 4-12.

Callahan - After taking the Gruden team to the Superbowl, he fell flat at 4-12 and lost the respect of the team.

Turner - Couldn't improve the Raider fortunes in his first season, then appeared to get worse with the addition of Collins, Jordan and Moss.

Shell II - Worst. Raider. Season. Ever.

Kiffin - He fired himself.

Cable has shown improvement every season. He is the first coach to make this team competitive since Gruden, and he's doing it by teaching kids how to play, not by bringing in veterans at the end of their career.

Whatever success the Raiders experience over the next five years is strictly due to the creation of a core by Tom Cable. Tom Cable's influence will be felt by this team long after he's gone.

8:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"So, you guys are now agreeing with Blanda and me."

That's a bit strong ;)

Perhaps, but only as may pertain to the present conditions, and not going back several years during which other decisions could have taken the team in a different direction.

Right now I believe we are approaching the perfect storm of management and coaching. Neither is perfect, but there's a narrow window in which the Raiders can operate effectively.

This is what I call my "white flag approach." It's based on the acceptance that Al Davis is supreme ruler and that everyone will need to work in harmony to make this team a winner again.

No more revolving doors or Kiffin-like meltdowns.

Like I said before, smart investors buy stock when it's on the way up (how can that not make sense?). Well, I'm buying.

Conversely, 49er stock is down and Singletary is out. That's why the niners situation is a bad comparison.

8:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

This guy Jackson who's bashing the Chiefs GM and HC may be grossly overstating his case. Perhaps he is the Chiefs version of Tim Kawakami.

Chiefs won 10 games and the AFCW. That has to account for something. If next year they fall apart, well, then let the finger pointing commence. If I was a Chiefs fan (ouch!), I'd tell this guy to STFU.

9:09 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I still don't concede that DHB is a lost cause. All I concede is that they don't throw to him much. When DHB misses a pass it is much more visible than when Murphy misses a pass because Murphy gets targeted regularly and isn't a #1 draft choice.

The idea that Cable hasn't the authority to sit down DHB is just plain stupid. You're talking about the guy who sent Hall packing, refused to play Walker, and who eventually benched JaMarcus Russell. If Cable wanted to bench DHB, he'd do it.

However, as H and I have repeated many times, in order to replace a player, you have to have someone to replace him with. You can't just release him and roll the dice.

Toward the end of the season, Ford was getting much more of DHB's playing time. My feeling is that barring a major improvement in DHB's stats next season, the starting three will be Schilens, Ford and Murphy.

If Schilens can stay healthy, he will become our possession WR. Ford will be the deep threat, and Murphy will be the versatile slot man.

9:28 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If Cable had the authority to sit DHB, you don't think it would of happened? You are heaping praise on Cable and then you say he is playing a player that basically wastes a starting position. This one is not on Cable. This is clearly Al's pressure to play him, otherwise, he would be on the bench.

JONES

9:38 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

As far as I can tell, Cable isn't going anywhere. I haven't heard one strong case made anywhere for letting him go. If he is cut loose, there will be some serious explaining to do.

9:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda -

You give Cable way too much credit for the decisions you mentioned. That's almost like saying Kiffin fired SOB.

A guy like MeAngelo Hall doesn't pack his bags and leave the facility without that specific instruction coming from the very top.

I'm surprised any Raider fan would think the HC has that authority. Only one guy rights the checks and only one guy can send a player or coach packing.

I have always contended that Hall was sent packing almost immediately after announcing to the media something about him taking Al's money. A joke which Al, apparently, didn't find funny.

9:53 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Rights, writes, whatever!

9:55 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jones,

“It's been 2 yrs and Cable still has to play DHB”

Yes, DHB still plays, and he is still listed as starter. But, his reps are way down as Ford’s star has risen. You can say the word starter all you want, but I look at how many times he is on the field. Based on that, Murphy and Ford are the true starters.

NYRaider,

“Perhaps, but only as may pertain to the present conditions, and not going back several years during which other decisions could have taken the team in a different direction.”

What Blanda and I have said all along is that is the kind of coach needed all along. Present conditions have nothing to do with it. The conditions didn’t just become “right” for that type of coach. I’m sure Gruden was that type of coach. He just had a different methodology on how to go about building the team.

I am convinced that when Cable said, “I know how to fix this,” he was not talking about the previous Sunday’s meltdown. One of the worse games in Raider history. He was talking about the future of the franchise.

I am also convinced that the very next sit down he had with Al Davis that was the topic of conversation. How to go about rebuilding the franchise, NOT how quick we can get to the playoffs. Yes, his “goal” is the playoffs at the beginning of the season. It is with every head coach.

So, here’s the questions.

After the “interim” label was removed, did the Raiders improve that first season? Answer is yes. Same number of wins, but a very improved attitude and effort.

Did they improve this season? An emphatic yes!

Have the actions, activity and offseason decision making improved during his tenure thus far? Another yes!

Will he lead the team back to the Super Bowl? No one can predict with any certainty. But, the last two offseasons and the current coaching efforts have laid a good foundation for moving forward.

Cable has done a good enough job to at least get his option year. Let the media put him on the hot seat like they did Gruden in his third year. That turned out fairly well, he ended the previous season at 8-8 with a season ending win over the Chefs and went to the AFC Championship game.

H

10:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

Under "previous conditions" I maintain I would have prefered going in a different direction. So I only agree the conditions are "right" at the present time.

Looking for those conditions has been like finding a needle in a haystack.

In the simplest terms, there is an underlying process by which most successful business models become successful. Clearly, this is not the path of the Raiders.

As I said, I have found the "white flag approach" to happiness.

Cable: yes
Jackson: yes
Marshall: yes
Al Davis: until he says otherwise.

Let's play football!

10:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

All factors considered, Cable should get his option year, which will be co-terminus with Jackson's contract (and perhaps Marshall gets another year), after which if the team has not reached another level of improvement, the whole thing gets blown up again.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H, the guy shouldn't even be on the field, he is an embarrassment to the team, he really is. Cable knows it, you know it and I know it. Starter's start the game, DHB started every game except when he was nervous or something to that effect. You can keep spinning it until you actually believe that he isn't getting preferred treatment from the guy upstairs, doesn't mean it's true. This is one of the drawbacks to being Al's HC. This is why Cable fits, he can smooth something like this over with the players, to try and give them some understanding as to why he is playing. And he can also smooth Al over as well, that's his job. Give and take, Cable is giving with DHB.

JONES

10:50 AM  
Blogger H said...

"You can keep spinning it until you actually believe that he isn't getting preferred treatment from the guy upstairs, doesn't mean it's true."

Not spinning anything. Just stating what I see on the field.

Now, we have all heard how "undisiplined" the Raiders are. Have you heard a single word about the Philly Green Chickens?

The answer is no.

Well we only average 1.2 more penalties than they do an only about 11 yards difference.

All you hear is what a great coach Andy Reid is. I'm not knocking Andy Reid, his record speaks for itself.

But, you would think we were the only team in the league that committed panealties.

Hell, if we get a right tackle that doesn't false start 2-3 times a game, that will help quite a bit.

Just saying.

H

12:01 PM  
Blogger H said...

That's 11 yards difference per game.

H

12:02 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

H, winning cures everything. You know that.

1:45 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"Ouch! Are you actually throwing Cable to the curb after doing all the heavy lifting?"
***********************************


NYRaider,


That's not exactly what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, it's one thing to take a team from 4 wins to 8 wins.
But it's another thing to take a team from 8 wins to a Super Bowl.

When Gruden was kicked to the curb, after doing all the heavy lifting, the Raiders were already an established playoff team.

And we found out the hard way that Bill Callahan was no finisher.

Remember John Rauch ? Pretty good record as Raiders HC. But Al made a gutsy move for a young, unkown, John Madden. It paid off big time.

This year was a tale of 2 seasons for the Raiders. Perfect in the division, with 4 stinkers to weak teams mixed in.

Those 4 losses, Cards/Texans/Fish/9ers, have placed a seed of doubt in my mind regarding Cable.

I wonder if he is the right HC to finish the job.

He may be, or perhaps the Raiders can do much better.

Is Cable, Rauch, or Madden ?

The Raiders are at the crossroads, and the next move Al Davis makes will be critical.

2:16 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Those 4 losses, Cards/Texans/Fish/9ers, have placed a seed of doubt in my mind regarding Cable.
>>>>


Houston was playing better football early season, and the Cards loss was more defense (and missed FGs).

SF was Hue Jackson's play-calling and Campbell unable to throw a pee in the ocean (and no McF.)

Mia was LOS problems... and lack of effort... might pin that one on Cable.

One bad game should not get any coach fired (or not rehired).

4:13 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
However, as H and I have repeated many times, in order to replace a player, you have to have someone to replace him with. You can't just release him and roll the dice.
>>>>


..plus with his guaranteed money, there are very few teams that would simply cut bait after two years.

4:16 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Jackson is interviewing with SF... if this isn't an obvious ploy to satisfy the quota rule, I don't know what is.

Ja.. like Jackson's offense lit up SF! A 10 year old kid playing Madden coulda called a better game that day.

4:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

I guess we won't know if we don't try. I am simply weighing what I believe are realistic options given the circumstances, and it comes up overwhelming with retaining Cable as HC.

It’s my “white flag approach,” and I stand behind it.

If I thought a guy like Harbaugh was a realistic option, I might jump on that bandwagon.

Plus, I think Hue Jackson is a bit of a wildcard with no more (probably less) experience than Cable. IMO, making Jackson HC is no more than a lateral move for the Raiders (maybe even a step backward).

Alternately, think about this, over the last eight seasons (and probably much longer) can anyone here remember the Raiders being so well-defined in terms of the roles of management and coaching? There's no question and there's no conflict.

Davis is undisputed ruler (again).
Cable is HC with unwavering loyalty to his owner and his team
Jackson calls the offense
Marshall calls the defense

And everybody answers to Davis. Then last year, with the help of his scouts and coaches, Davis orchestrated probably the best draft of his career.

I guess I just don't get why people think shaking this up will yield better results, i.e., given the circumstances. We've been there done that. It doesn't work.

"It's only a problem if you have a solution."
(Up In The Air, 2009)


NYR - just riden da wave.

4:32 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Take said...

As far as I can tell, Cable isn't going anywhere. I haven't heard one strong case made anywhere for letting him go. If he is cut loose, there will be some serious explaining to do.
>>>>


Unless he brings in a rock-star coach, I'll be right with you RT... I promise.

This is not something that needs to be tinkered with... a rising YOUNG team that has overwhelming support of their coach does not need to deal with someone new.

If this was a VETERAN team that is underachieving to reach 8-8, I could see a coaching change (think TB bringing in Gruden) but there is nothing I can think of that warrants a new frigging HC... especially if its Jackson, some green-horn, or some scrap-heap guy...

4:35 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYRaider,

I think, in a way, we argree.

I'm not saying, fire Cable and promote Jackson.

And I'm not saying, fire Cable and hire Fassel, or Denny Green.

But if there's any chance for Al to really bring in Harbough, that has to be more then tempting.

Otherwise, I'm fine with Cable returning.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"My point is that if you are so impressed with Ford/Murphy/Schillens... why worry about DHB?"

For 1 reason ... he is taking valuable snaps away from more productive Raider WRs. In my view, in the context of a 65 offensive snap game, DHB on the field for more than a dozen snaps is too much.

For example, I would venture to guestimate that DHB was on the field for around 40 reps. vs. KC. Why? 2 WR sets should be either Shillens/Murph or Shillens/Ford or Murph/Ford. 3 WR sets would be an instance where we would rest Shillens or Murphy or Ford and add DHB.

5:59 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

H said,

"Also Calico, the improvement of DHB is much like the quarterback rating system. The highest rated quarterback in Sunday’s game was the Chef’s backup. But he only threw three passes. So, it’s all relative. Possibly their needs to be a stat where you can rate the wide receiver based on how many times they are targeted and how many receptions they actually make."

Going into the KC game and according to ESPN Stats & Information, DHB has caught just 26 of 61 targets with five drops this season. After the KC game it is 26 receptions of 63 targets and 6 drops. DHB is catching 41% of the balls thrown his way which is an atrocious number. The fact that he is the intended target for so few balls is a combination of the QB not finding him to be reliable and DHB not creating separation.

6:10 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Not sure I'm buying the Harbaugh hype, it strikes me as one of those stories that becomes gospel by virtue of media repetition. Next think you know, he's Vince Lombardi.

Yes, he has turned Stanford around (with the help of an Elway-level quarterback).

But look at the recent track record of hot college head coaches who went to the NFL.

What makes him so different?

I know he's an NFL veteran, and that his brother is a success in Baltimore, so that bodes well.

Still, I don't understand this "can't miss future NFL head coach" aura that he's commanding in the media.

I must be missing something.

6:17 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

If between now and Jan 18th (Cable's club option date), Davis does his due diligence by interviewing such potential candidates as Jeff Fisher, Jim Harbugh, or any other clear upgrade, I'm fine with it. If there isn't a clear, viable upgrade, Cable should be brought back to finish the job.

6:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Stanford's Harbaugh quietly emerges as Dolphins candidate

He's prolley out of the picture for us....


Panthers hope to interview 49ers' Manusky for head coaching job


Elway to interview Falcons OC Mularkey for Broncos vacancy

Well Kubiac was not let go so they search other options...As long as they stay away from Hue...


Adams advised to retain Fisher, move on from QB Young

Adams has yet to make a decision on keeping coach Jeff Fisher, but Adams has been made aware of the fact that Fisher will not stay if Young remains on the team.


Yes!!...The Rift is way too deep now so "VY" will be on the "Trade Block" and the Raiders (Al Davis) will consider it and most likely pull that trigger for ME!!!...

PantyRaider...Now Get Me Plaxico "GunDumb" Burris to catch those passes PLEASE!!!/_

6:58 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

COULD THIS BE TRUE? CABLE CUT LOOSE:

http://bit.ly/gnI8Vp

7:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

RT - In regards to Harbaugh, he has all the boxes checked off;

- Former NFL Player (1987-2001)
- Former QB (advanced football knowledge)
- NFL Coach (Oakland)
- Head Coach (Stanford)
- Record of Success (57–27 .679)
- Paid his coaching dues (1994-present)
- Pedigree (brother, dad)
- Leadership and charisma in spades
- Media Friendly and savvy
- Seen as a young HC on the rise

It might be perception, hype, and piggy-backing on his brother's success but when you see him interact with the players and media, he has "Rising Star" written all over him.

7:06 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I'm shocked if the PFT report is true about "Cable being cut loose" ... the only logical conclusion was that Davis is hiring Jackson to make sure he doesn't bolt to the Niners.

7:09 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Breaking news take is up.

7:14 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

It's official. Cable is fired. See latest take.

7:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

Both Murphy -n- "DHB" missed about the same amount of time...Murphy came back healthy and so did "DHB" finally from the hammy...

Hammy was the injury that limited this team all year...


"BR"-n-"H"...

Also when Cable was named "HC" Al Davis for the 1st time ever said we are NOT playing for the "SB" that year...He fully understood they were in a rebuilding and attitude altering phase NOT a competitive phase...

This season was different but Al still didn't come out with a "SB" prediction...Bet all that changes in 2011...

Al Davis -n- Tom Cable are working in this together and that's what's most evident on all fronts...


Raider00...

This year was a tale of 2 seasons for the Raiders. Perfect in the division, with 4 stinkers to weak teams mixed in.

Familiarity played a role here...Cable has played them twice a yr and Hue was getting his feet wet with them...By the 2nd meeting we knew them and we dominated them...

I would wager if we played those other teams right now we would spank their lousy asses to death...

Hue has a learning curve for not only this team but also how to play our schedule...I expect much better next season...


"CJ"...

It was 4 drops and I severely challenge those #'s...67-26=41 incomplete passes...Where do they add up in "Ski" or "JC"s stats...

210 total passes hit the ground...This says "DHB" was the target on 20% of those misses...He was rarely even thrown to for crying out loud...

The bulk of the passes were targeted at Zack/"D-Mac"/Murphy/Ford/Reece...What percentage of the incomplete passes were thrown their way...This team was 57% passing...Why so low..."QB" that's why...Those passes were so far off the mark in the early going it's amazing anything was working...

"DHB" started 14 games...1.9 completions per game...Now your saying he had 3 incomplete passes per game...WHEN???...He wasn't even thrown to an average of 5 times per game all damn season...There were several game he was never even targeted at all...

I totally challenge those #'s...Bogas as all hell!!!...

PantyRaider...Give'em All A Fare Shake!!!/_

8:00 PM  
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