Sunday, November 21, 2010

Steelers Gameday Thread

Here we are, on the cusp of something special. If the Raiders pull this off, if they beat the Steelers on the road at this juncture, it will be epic. It will be a national story. And it will take the narrative of the season to the next level, and to a place we haven't been in ages. Go RAIDERS!

177 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

Strange. I thought I published a post on the last thread, but now I see it didn't take... or my computer is playing games with me.

I'll keep this simple.

It's Game Day!

GO RAIDERS!

8:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

OK...Old business 1st as usual:

"CJ"-n-Gary...

#1...Ford had separation from the "DB"....There were no hands on him and that came after the "DB" closed the separation...In other words the coverage was not tight...Ford had the inside...

#1...The pass was so far inside that Ford had to dive for the ball...A perfectly thrown pass as "CJ" described would have caught him in stride so he would not have had to go to the ground....

#3...Ford was in single coverage and there was not another "DB" within 10 yds of him..."ONLY" the "DB" with single coverage...Thus this was NOT threading the needle...There was no worry of the ball being taken by another "DB" inside Ford..."JC" had a clear lane to throw the ball in there on target but went wide left anyway...

#4...I never said it wasn't a good play...I argued "CJ"s definition of being "Perfect"....Perfect would have resulted in a score...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTaEjIGSPE

4:00 Min Mark

"RT"....

You didn't respond to my list of ten names so here I will add two more to it...Now which one(s) were you right about??...

Down On:

"DHB"
Seymour
Kelley
"D-Mac"
Routt
Huff
Jano
"HC" Cable
Al Davis
"DC" Marshal
Mike Mitchel
"JePurple"

Re: I am rarely wrong -n- "Intellectually Honest"...

PantyRaider...."LoL"!!!/_

9:03 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Simple is good...

Go Raiders...

But also need to add...

Fi-Fy-Foe-Fumb....I Smell Blood!!!...

PantyRaider...Make'em Squeal As We Bleed'em!!!/_

9:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders -vs- "Squeelers" "O"-vs-"D"

"O"-#12............."D"-#9
Pass-#25............#26
Rush-#2.............#1
Scoring-#7..........#5
"OL"-#29............Sacks-#10
....................Int's-#7 Tie

"D"-#6.............."O"-#24
Pass-#2.............#22
Rush-#24............#13
Scoring-#12.........#16
Sacks-#3............"OL"-#23
Int's-#28 Tie

I give us the advantage when they have the ball but even when we have the ball...

Our "D" should overpower their "O"....

PantyRaider...Stop The Clock...Clock "BenBen"s Ass!!!!/_

9:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Asomugha, DHB out

Ouch!!...

Well now we see how our "DB"s hold up...That maybe takes a little of the advantage away from our "D" unless the rush can hurt them early on....Henderson is back so now we shall see if that can give us an edge...

Ford will now get a chance to show he is for real...If "JC" can get him the ball...Thing with Ford is get it close and he goes for it...That's his strength and I like's it...

Murphy/"JLH" Start
Ford/Miller Slot

Not a very scary unit but we shall see...

"D-Mac/Reece/Zack now that's a scary unit...

PantyRaider....The Table Is Set...Bleed'em Baby!!..Make'em Squeal!!!/_

9:26 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, you seem hell bent on trying to get me to apologize for observing that the Raiders sucked while they were in the midst of setting and extending the worst consecutive stretch of sucking the history of the NFL.

It reminds me of the phrase, Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

At the beginning of the season, I said I expected a minimum of eight wins, and that I expected the Raiders to thus compete for the divisional title.

That expectation was predicated on the Raiders playing/coaching better than they had been. So far, so good.

So no, I wasn't wrong in doubting folks like Huff, Routt, Kelly, DMac and others when they were doing very little to show that they deserved anything more than skepticism.

Now the Seymour trade is different. I may have gotten that one wrong. It's hard to say right now. It depends on how this defense holds up over next few years vs. some of the players who'll get picked at or behind our top draft slot in 2011.

But yes, it's looking like I might have gotten that one wrong.

10:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

3pts up early....

OK Raiders now keep bringing that pressure...Pitts is trying to make quick plays to slow down the rush...

10:17 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The refs are on our side so far.

10:26 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ah!..."RT"...

You might have gotten one wrong...Well I guess I should be happy with that...At least your conceding your not so perfect anymore...But virtually everyone on that list is way ahead of where you put them or there possibilities...

Now especially regarding Al Davis and his ability to run a football team at his age and rebuild a winner...But you don't think you were wrong...Well I just don't know what to say now...I would pimp him for owner of the year...

PantyRaider...It Was Kinda A Joke But Sheesh!!...Now I'm Not So Sure!!!/_

Are you really serious....You may have been wrong on one????....

10:29 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

1st Half Stats:

................OAK.........PIT
Score...........3............0
First Downs.....5............4
Total Yards.....46...........88
Passing Yards...43...........58
Rushing Yards...3............30
Penalties (Yds).1(5).........4(44)
Turnovers.......0............0
Punts (AVG).....1(47)........2(47)
Time of Pos.....5:25.........8:37

10:42 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"TD" Pitts...3-7...

The "Zebra"s were not nice to us on this drive....Did you see the holding going on...Jersey being stretched 1 yd or so but no flag...Not to mention on our last drive the pulling of the arm of the "WR" but no call....

10:45 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Hard fought game but another "OL" goes down for Pitts...

Keep the heat com'in Boyz!!!...

10:59 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"JC" is so late throwing the damn ball...He has the "RB" open but by the time he pulls the trigger the "D" makes up ground....

We need "Ski" NOW....

11:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Pitts just tackled our entire "DL" to the ground and NO Flag...What the fuck!!!...

TD up 3-14...

11:14 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Murphy...Put that damn ball away...

11:19 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

For all of you pimping "JC" you gotta be fuckin kidding me...

J. Campbell 5/12 55yds 1st Half???..

11:22 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

On the one hand, it was nice to see Seymour shut Ben's piehole like that.

An the other, it's just another Raiders meltdown that hurts the team and sets the wrong tone and needlessly puts us in an even deeper hole.

We're really showing up today...Not.

11:29 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Are you complaining about the mediocrity of one of our players and suggesting he should lose snaps?

That' makes you an Al Hater, you know. In case you forgot.

11:30 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now that's some fuckin shit...Suck-Ass "Big Ben" shouts off his freakin mouth and get's downed by Seymour...Nice Shot...But ejected...

Now down 21-3..."CJ" absolutely sucks...

Come on Camble...Bring in "Ski"...



NOW!!!!...

11:31 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Oh my... I know the Raiders are getting their ass handed to them. HOWEVER, I think Big Ben maybe will think twice talking trash to Seymour.

11:32 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Fuck that damn "BS" "RT"...Are you saying you like the way that bastard is playing...It's exactly like I feared....He sucks!!!!....

11:33 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I never said Campbell was great.

I just don't like the double standard where you get to observe the mediocrity of a player and say he should lose snaps, but if I do the exact same thing, I'm Complainer, Al Hater, etc.

That's what I can't figure out.

11:37 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

I really hope that's a cramp and not a knee injury on Scott.

And Jackson better figure out something during the half for the offense (maybe bring in Gradowski) or it's going to be a much longer afternoon.

For me this was a statement game... not liking the statement the Raiders are making so far. I admit I didn't expect a win, but I did expect a much more competitive game.

11:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

1st Half Stats:

................OAK......PIT
First Downs.....6........12
Total Yards.....52.......228
Passing Yards...41.......151
Rushing Yards...11.......77
Penalties (Yds).3(20)....8(103)
Turnovers.......1........0
Punts (AVG).....4(41)....3(44)
Time of Pos.....10:53....19:07

J. Campbell 6/13 61yds

J. Higgins 2/23
J. Ford 1/16
L. Murphy 2/16

So now what are you telling me Ford -n- Murphy suck...Well Murphy did have the fumble...But are you telling me "JustCrap" is playing well against the #26 Pass "D"....Are you fuckin kidding me...

All I can say is "Ski" had better start the 2nd half if we want to have a chance in this damn game down by 18pts....

PantyRaider...That Was My Biggest Fear...."JustCrap"!!!/_

11:44 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Yeah, at least Seymour got his money's worth on that ejection. But still, it was a terrible decision for the team and our chances of keeping pace with KC today.

11:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Wake-Up Call....

"JC" is suppose to be a seasoned Vet "QB"...
DHB" is a damn 2nd yr "WR"...

Can you see the difference!!!...

11:46 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PR, I can't do this anymore. How is me talking about a double standard the equivalent of being happy about Campbell's performance? I'm getting a brain cramp. I'm out. Can't do it anymore.

11:46 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

So now there's a moratorium on critiquing players with less than three years of NFL experience? Wow. Again, I'm out.

11:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

NO "SKI"...

What the Fuck!!!

11:50 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Why is Campbell still in there?

11:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The "Brain Cramp" is your own...

Your the one who was questioning why we were worried about "JustCrap"...And also the one who failed to give reason for your bashin of "DHB"...I posted the stats that show the same damn things for Murphy/Ford as is happening to "DHB"...Now you freakin happy...Ford has 1/16yds...Is that great enough for you...Get furcken real...Murphy is 2/16yds...Ya fuckin happy about that too...

And your head hurts...Obviously a way to avoid the issues....

PantyRaider....Understand You Can't Do This Anymore!!!/_

11:57 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

RT - I completely agree that it was a horrible decision on Seymour's part. He let his emotions get the better of him, especially considering he's our best defensive player... however I admit to a completely visceral pleasure in seeing Rothenberger curled up in a little ball.

New half new ball game. Like I said I don't/didn't expect a win however I do expect the Raiders to make a better showing of themselves than they done so far. Including, keeping their cool.

12:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gad Dammit...I don't fuckin believe this damn crap....

Throw wide and miss the "FB" tips to the "LB"...INT....Thanks "JustCrap"....Why The Damn Hell in he still in there...I have no freakin Idea....

12:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Their sending that lousy bastard back in...This game is dust...Just Freakin Dust!!!!....

12:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

OK "SKI"...It's about Time...

12:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Dammit....Well "Ski" looked like a "QB" until the last 2 trows being off...Than comes the Pick...

Too little Too lat making the change at "QB"....He is already down by 3 scores with time running down....Why wasn't the change made at the half...Of end of 1st quarter...

At least we looked like an "O" for a few plays and mover the damn chains...

PantyRaider...This Suckes.....We Gave This One Away!!!!/_

Now Down 28-3 in the 4th....

12:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Down 28-3 at the 12:40 mark of the 4th and we don't go for a 4-n-3 at mid-field...That was a bit weak I think...

Not going to make a come-back by giving the ball back to Pitts...

Now they black-out the game...Raiders off...Fuckin unbelievable...

12:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

http://www.firstrow.net/watch/38173/4/watch-oakland-raiders-vs-pittsburgh-steelers.html

Raider Game...

12:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Just Beautiful....

After watching our "JustCrap" for 3 quarters stumble around like some sort of idiot I have to watch the Jets with their 2nd year "QB" make a dramatic comeback for the win...Nice....Nothing like adding insult to injury....

Meanwhile back in Pitts we are now down 35-3....

Gee!...Thanks "JustCrap"...You are the man....

Everything was lined up for us...They are thin and banged up on the "OL"...They are coming off a disastrous defeat...And they were #26 against the pass...So we come out with you and lay a big stinking egg in the middle of the field....Thanks "JustCrap"...

Thanks Cable for pulling the trigger so damn late...

PantyRaider....I Don't Understand Any Off This!!!!/_


Maybe It's Time For The "ClownCar" which I hate But Hay!....I Think We Deserve It....This Was Every Bit As bad As "SF"....

1:21 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Pathetic. That's all I can say right now.

1:21 PM  
Anonymous FED UP said...

This was a total team loss. Everyone sucked. All you can really do is forget about this and move on.

5-5, but the season is not over. Need to come back strong against Miami.

1:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jackson forgot his playbook, and Cable didn't listen to me about playing Ski over Campbell. Of course by the time Ski went in it was too late.

Campbell posted another lousy QB rating (26.2).

Listen, I don't think either QB is the Raiders future, but I see far better game management from Ski than Campbell.

Campbell is one of these guys that needs everything else to work in order to play well himself.

Ski can make it happen on his own.

I didn't expect the Raiders to win today, but I didn't expect them to lay down either.

Next week will be critical, because we have to stay within one game of KC to control our own destiny.

1:49 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"#1...Ford had separation from the "DB"....There were no hands on him and that came after the "DB" closed the separation...In other words the coverage was not tight."

wrong, wrong, and again wrong.

I beg you. Take a look at the 4th photo on my latest blog entry.

http://silverandblackforever.blogspot.com

Separation - no
no hands on him - not true
not tight coverage - false

BTW, I never said the pass from Campbell was "perfect". I said the pass was "gorgeous". I said he made the pass when the chips were down. I said the pass was thrown in an area where only Ford could make it. I said the pass led to our OT victory.

1:54 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

As far as today ...

Just got to put this ugly, disappointing loss behind us. The Steelers are one of the few (if only) teams that can take away our rushing attack. W/O the rushing attack, we are paralyzed.

Mixed emotions about the Seymour incident.

On the one hand, it was nice to see Rapelisberger get decked after creeping up on Seymour on talking trash.

On the other hand, it doesn't help our cause (today or possibly vs. Fins if Seymour is suspended 1 game).

Get back on track vs. the Fins and we would still be in the driver's seat of controlling our destiny.

My WAY TOO EARLY PREDICTIONS:

Raiders win the division on the last day of the season in KC and face the wild card Steelers in the playoffs in Oakland.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold" (Kill Bill tagline)

2:04 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If the Raiders are going back to this brand of football, there will be no playoffs. Once again we see the unimaginative Defense. We see an Offense unable to adapt, the Raiders got badly outcoached today. What happened to the aggressive defense? Ya see, it's this kind of shit that goes on, NO MATTER who is coaching or playing. This needs to be terminated for this team to take the next step.

JONES

2:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

1st -n- Foremost...As the way with the "Crew" it's time to admit where I was wrong...

"NYR" said it would be a mistake if we come in trying to run against Pitts....I disagreed and pimped the run...I was wrong and "NYR" was correct....They are too stout to run against....


"CJ"...

Your eyes deceive you and you can't remember what you posted...Than you come in with this make-believe crap...

BTW, I never said the pass from Campbell was "perfect". I said the pass was "gorgeous". I said he made the pass when the chips were down. I said the pass was thrown in an area where only Ford could make it. I said the pass led to our OT victory.

Here is what you posted:

This pass allowed Ford and only Ford to make a play on the ball by leading him perfectly.

Now which is it...Did "JustCrap" lay that ball in there leading Ford "Perfectly" or not...I say "BS"...The ball was too far inside and caused Ford to break stride going for the spectacular catch while stretched-out going to the ground...

Leading him perfectly...Your eyesight needs adjusting...Play it over and over and the outcome is the same...Spectacular play by a rookie "WR" on a poorly thrown ball by a veteran "QB"...And there was NO hand on Ford until the "DB" closed separation while Ford was already air-born making the catch...Thus the "DB" was NOT in position to make a play on Ford because he had gained separation on the play....

Play that back and than watch what "BigBen" did to us...Now that will give you an idea of what a "Perfectly" thrown pass should look like...They were difficult to defend...Repeatedly..."JustCrap" doesn't have that...


Well...Time to hope the "MuleHead"s can pull off the up-set...Than we will have a 1 game lead on the #2 position in the AFCW....Otherwise we are tied for 2nd and that's not good....

This loss hurts no matter how you slice it...We got out-gunned....But our "D" gave us 3-4 3-n-outs to start the game but our "O" took a shit on the field and did nothing with it...Than the collapse came....


Point: The "Zebra" s were not nice to us for most of the game but the only points we managed were on the drive where they threw the flags on Pitts...That's how inept we were at "QB"...

Granted: Zack -n- Murphy failed to make catches they usually make....Also "D-Mac" had his failures too...

"JLH" 4/37yds
Murphy 3/25yds
Ford 2/27
Miller 2/8yds

Now who do you put that on...They "SUCK"!!!...

NO...."JustCrap" SUCKS!!!!

PantyRaider..."Ski" Better Be Starting Against The Gutted Fish!!!/_

2:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What a fuckin idiot...

2:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

MondayNight Denver @ SD

Week #10

Miami @ OakTown
KC @ Seattle
SD @ Indy

Need to make up ground next week...

3:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I agree... mixed feelings about the Seymour punch and ejection. For what it's worth, Seymour definitely got his money's worth. He'll probably be issuing an apology soon, then be fined and possibly suspended.

Tomlin was very respectful to Seymour after the game, suggesting things got out of hand in general, without pointing any fingers.

Jones hit it on the head. We were badly out-coached today, on both sides of the ball. Part of that included starting the wrong QB.

3:25 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

All week "CJ"-n-"RT" have been pimping "JustCrap" and slamming us for bashing the bastard...Than now when their collective excusing has resulted in a disgusting loss they want to put it all behind them...

NOT Allowed...You Pimped it so you own it...

Dirty Filthy "Enablers"...Excuse makers!!!...

You Enabled the Raider to shoot themselves in the foot by sticking with that bastard...Your responsible with your damn "Excuse making"....

PantyRaider....I Just Luv Playing It All Back On You The Way You Played It On Us!!!!/_

3:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - I'm officially done arguing with you about the Ford catch. I have proof in both videos and photos. These are the facts:

DB Brandon Flowers was on Ford's hip and covering him in the trail position very close.

Before Ford made his final burst to catch the ball, DB Flowers was INCHES apart from Ford.

Flowers was so close to Ford, that the photo shows him grabbing Ford a half second before the catch.

You think what you want.

4:00 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - enjoy ... http://yfrog.com/mqjfordbigplay4j

4:06 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Well, looks to me the coaching staff thought we had the superior team on both sides of the ball and decided to take on the Steelers completely straight up. No blitzing, no "blueprint"... still trying to make Campbell a pocket passer.

We got out asses kicked... time to regroup, lick our wounds... figure out who our QB should be (Ski) and go kick some Miami ass.

4:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Beautiful..."CJ" you said you were going to quit arguing but than you just keep arguing...

Notice in your pic that I have seen before...

Ford is turned completely inside and stretching for the ball...It failed to "Lead" him at all...Instead it was too far inside and prolley a little short which caused Ford to slow -n- peel left allowing the "DB" to make up ground...

The hand that was on him had no grip/strength because Ford had enough separation that the "DB" had little to no play on the man...

Had the ball been on target and leading Ford he could have kept his feet and his stride while racing for the end-zone...That's not at all what happened though is it...Ford had to turn to his left and stretch for the ball...

Look how parallel to the hash marks his body is while his momentum is going down field...

PantyRaider...Now Don't Argue It No More!!!/_

5:09 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Don't look now, PantyRaider, they're saying that Campbell will start in Miami.

5:09 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

That has got to be total "BS"...How the well can that be!!!

6:15 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Here's the news report:

Raiders coach Tom Cable with regard to pulling Jason Campbell in favor of Bruce Gradkowski at his post-game press conference:

“(Jason) will be the starter next week. There is no issue there. As we could all see, it didn’t make a lot of difference.”

6:21 PM  
Blogger x said...

To me, the outcome wasn't unexpected with Campbell starting. Cable should have stuck to his guns when he said Gradkowski would definitely be the starter when he got healthy.

Especially against a D like Pittsburgh, where you need a quicker release, quicker decision maker, see the whole field guy back there at QB.

Yeah, many were saying go ahead and start Campbell and just have Gradkowski ready to relieve him. Easier said than done. Game could be out of reach by then....like it was today.

The decision to start JC is more curious after Gradkowski's performance at Pitt last year. Could it be the influence of Al Davis?

And why is Cable so quick to announce that JC will be starting v Miami?

I don't like it.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

The biggest problem I see with Campbell is he has JaMarcus's touch in throwing the screen pass so there is absolutely no way to keep defenses honest in blitzing.

Maybe thats why he has looked so good in situations where teams weren't blitzing much??... the two games where Den and Sea had to put 8 in the box to stop the run, and the SD and KC game where they were playing prevent at the end.

The guy is absolutely dead in the water vs the blitz.

This, and this fact alone is the reason I favor Ski... he's not a great QB, but possesses skills to counter the blitz. And yes, we are going to see a lot of blitzing vs Miami. I certainly hope Cable/Jackson have a short leash on this... seems the only way that Campbell gets benched is by throwing an interception... which he doesn't do very often because hes so conservative.

I don't understand Jackson at all... he goes from games where his play-calling is nearly perfect to games like this where it seems almost as bad as anyone in the NFL. The deep pass was working... so lets stop doing it. The Pitts secondary was holding or committing PI with EVERY long pass... why stop? Because McF up the gut was working so well?

Coaching and QBs again... its maddening.

Miami is a VERY beatable team... time for our QBs and coaches to play like their hair is on fire...

8:56 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm an alleged "Al Hater," so I have no right to critique.

I'll leave it to the non-Al Haters to sort this situation out.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Take said...

I'm an alleged "Al Hater," so I have no right to critique.
>>>>

Jeesh you are a crying little titty baby.

Man up dude.

9:54 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Could it be the influence of Al Davis?"......"And why is Cable so quick to announce that JC will be starting v Miami?"....



You could ask this too...why did the Defense look neutered again? Al and his fingers, there is a very good argument for that. But, you know how that goes over...

JONES

10:28 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Ford is turned completely inside and stretching for the ball...It failed to "Lead" him at all...Instead it was too far inside and prolley a little short which caused Ford to slow -n- peel left allowing the "DB" to make up ground...

Newsflash PR: You have no clue. The ball was long ... the ball led Ford FORWARD ... Ford had to burst and stretch FORWARD to secure the ball.

10:43 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I almost got the feeling that the reason Campbell wasn't given the hook sooner in the game is that Cable didn't want to create any "controversy" or fuel the fire of changing QBs next week.

There are some teams that are bad matchups. While the Donkeys are tailor made for the Raiders (bad run D, bad run O), the Steelers are our kryptonite considering they give up the fewest yards on the ground and utilize both a pass blitz and run blitz as part of their staple D.

Ski got things going in his 1st series but ended up throwing a pick.

5 series for Ski;

9 plays, 56 yards, INT
6 plays, 23 yards, PUNT
6 plays, 15 yards, PUNT
6 plays, 17 yards, DOWNS
3 plays, 14 yards, end of game

7/19, 37%, 70 yards, 1 INT

Why am I showing you these stats? Because quite a few of you are acting like Ski is "our man". It is the "grasser is always greener on the other side" syndrome.

Both Ski and Campbell played poorly. Both have their moments of good and bad. Ski is more mobile and able to handle the blitz better. Campbell has a stronger arm. BOTH QBs play much better when we establish the run.

Let's face it ... we don't have a top notch QB on our roster. Our QBs are especially reliant on a good run offense to set up play action pass, move the chains, and keep our D fresh.

What did Ski do vs. Pittsburgh or anytime this season that says "YEP, he is #1 guy?" Now don't get me wrong. I like Ski for a lot of reasons but he (IMO) is not exactly a #1 QB. He is a guy who can hold the down the fort for a few games, maybe a few seasons. He is best suited as a #2 IMO.

Our D was toothless. 3 red zone opportunities for Pitt, 3 TDs. Our offense couldn't run the ball and turned it over too many times.

11:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

The question isn't what Ski did this year to earn the starting role, it's what he didn't do. And that's fall asleep at the wheel (multiple times).

You're quick to point out that Ski threw a pick, but fail to consider he was pressed into action 3-4 scores in the hole.

Cable makes this statement:

"(Jason) will be the starter next week. There is no issue there. As we could all see, it didn’t make a lot of difference.”

Huh! The head coach of a pro football team couldn't see the difference?

I can only hope that was his rehearsed media response and that he actually could see the difference. And that's a QB that had far more command of the game situation. His release was much quicker, his short passes were well thrown, including timing passes (which Campbell doesn’t even throw).

Even the playbook seemed to open up more with Ski... or he reads his options better. Has anyone ever seen Campbell call an audible?

Regardless, IMO, this game falls on the coaches more than the players. Who's the brain surgeon that decided to play totally vanilla?

Didn't anybody watch game film of the Steelers loss last week. The Pats were anything but vanilla.

Every time the Raiders step away from being aggressive, they fail. Yet they continue to do it.

Apparently, maintaining the “blueprint” is more important than winning.

5:05 AM  
Blogger H said...

Yes, it sucked. Yes, we stunk the place up.

But, Classlessburger deserved that shot to the head by Seymour. I've never said a player deserved an injury before. But Classlessburger deserved a concussion.

He runs up and while surrounded by three of his O-line (coward) picks a fight.

You can see it in Classlessburger's eyes. He was targeting Seymour. It was also an act all the falling to the ground and crap. Three minutes later he was laughing it up with everybody on the sidelines.

Seymour has been a class act his entire career. Classlessburger should be in the Sexual Offender Registry.

I am really looking forward to hearing Seymour's side of it.

He and Kelly were being held on practically every play. I saw hands to the face, face mask, chop blocks. The whole works.

That doesn't excuse the lousy play on offense. Our defense deserved better treatment, from our offense AND the refs. Especially our offense.

Now, I hope everyone saw what I was talking about last week. I'm guessing 80% of the pressure on Campbell came directly up the middle and middle-right.

I'm for putting the receiver question on hold until we correct the OL.

H

7:12 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Why am I showing you these stats? Because quite a few of you are acting like Ski is "our man". It is the "grasser is always greener on the other side" syndrome.
>>>>


Well, to Ski's defense, only one of the two QBs has not been playing for over a month.

I didn't get to watch the end of the game because it was on local and they switched to a non-blowout, but the first series looked pretty decent by Ski... especially making plays out of nothing... something Campbell has never done ALL SEASON.

Miami's run defense is 20th... and maybe Campbell might be a better choice this weekend because of his good games when the running game is rolling... but knowing Pitts was going to stop our run... if I were coach, I would have started Ski yesterday.

I am not coach.

7:52 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I guarantee I had a giant smile on my face after Seymour leveled Pussyberger.

That was a throwback to Ben Davidson... absolutely wonderful.

Not very smart... but I still love it.

Don't take any shit from anybody... the Raiders WILL be back... and leveling Pussyberger is just an early indicator!

7:57 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

H... I'd be fine with the Raiders addressing the o-line again early in the draft next season.

Its the most glaring weakness... besides maybe QB.

Agreed.

8:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

I think you're missing the point about the WR discussion of late. Both WR and OL are areas to be addressed. However, now in mid-season, the Raiders are pretty much limited to their roster. This is where the WR rotation gained traction in our discussion.

Conversely, I don't see any moves along the O-line I feel strongly about making right now. Do you? It kind of is what it is until the next draft and free agent period.

8:29 AM  
Blogger H said...

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10:39 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I'm not missing the point.

I'm making a separate point. The point that the OL is way more critical than WR.

I stated as much in September before the first game, when all people could talk about was the WR's.

Defense was a major priority during the offseason. And, it's starting to pay off. Like I said, they got no support from the offense.

Vlad is coming along, but he's still a rookie.

What changes would I make? Move Henderson to RT and start Loper or Bruce Campbell at RG. That might not improve anything, but it most likely wouldn't be any worse.

More athletic, quicker players on the line might help in picking up the middle blitzes. Also, more plays with pulling guards to the right so defenses can't stack the left.

However, I can only assume the coaching staff believes this is the best combination. But, we need three new folks from center through RT.

During the upcoming offseason the OL must be the number one priority, above WR.

Strong defensive teams that can run the ball and reasonably pass protect do quite well with WR's that put up very pedestrian numbers.

I would also go back to Ski at quarterback. He gets the ball to the receiver quicker. Some more first downs could have helped the defense immensely and helped with field position. The Squealers had way too many short fields.

Even when Campbell had time he was late getting the ball out. This caused him to lead receivers too far. Murphy was open but caught the ball out of bounds. That's happened several times this season.

Ford made some amazing catches last week, but you can't count on that every week. The quarterback needs to deliver the ball on time and anticipate the receiver coming open.

Gary,

So, this wasn't a "must win"? Well, we are now in second place a full game behind. Trevor Scott is probably lost for the season and the schedule isn't getting any easier. Not to mention Seymour may be suspended for a game for giving Classlessburger what he deserved.

Now, up for discussion. Dan Fouts pointed out that Lechler was using smelling salts, which is basically ammonia, before each punt. It's a perfectly legal substance. What's the over/under on how long it takes the league to outlaw it?

H

10:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

You posted you were tired and done with that debate but as usual you just can't let it go...It just wasn't what you pimped it to be...Just admit it and feel comfortable admitting you may have made a mistake in your critique of that play...

Remember....That whole "Join us and be comfortable" crap from the past...

I just luv to play it all back at'cha!!!...



"WR" is the reason we lost this damn game..."DHB" was out!!!...

Now I will wait for all the re-buff on that one...But see...Without him our other "WR"s didn't do squat so that's how much he draws the pressure and opens things up for the rest...Ha! Ha! Now prove that ain't true...I dare you....


"OL" as "H" posted is the real source of our problems...

Coaching sucked in this one just as Gary-n-"NYR" said...

"Ski" was better than "JustCrap"...Look at their production:

"JustCrap" 3 quarters without being down with his back to the wall....

7/19 70yds Int

"Ski" 1 quarter with his back to the wall....

13/24 98yds Int

Now how the hell can you argue that???...Oh!...I'm sure you will find a way...



OK...Now I have a solution...Only because there is no way we get my boy Vick out of Philly...

Vince Young will now be on the "Chopping Block" and I like him...He threw his jersey-n-shoulder pads into the stands so as to say we're finished and the Titans proceeded to second that declaration...I say the "OldMan" goes after him...

Now he ain't always pretty but he has talent and could really make a strong run game even stronger...

PantyRaider....Vince "Done Wit This" Young!!!!/_

11:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Better hope the "MuleHead"s can knock off "SD" tonight or we be in some deep shit at #2...If "SD" is hot and tied with us we may become odd man out for the AFCW....No "WC" will come from this division now with 2 8-n-2 teams in the East and 2 7-n-3 teams in the north...Plus 2 6-n-4 in the South...

Only the division winner will advance to the "PO"s...The rest start the off season early....We now need help to succeed...

PantyRaider....Not Again!...Please!!!!/_

11:22 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

no time to read these posts right now..

BUT DID I MENTION THAT CAMPBELL SUCKS?????!!!!!

THEY REPLACED HIM WITH GRAD WAY TOO FREAKIN LATE!

11:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

"What changes would I make? Move Henderson to RT and start Loper or Bruce Campbell at RG. That might not improve anything, but it most likely wouldn't be any worse."

That could be much worse.

Are you really suggesting we replace two veteran linemen with Henderson (who failed miserably on the left side) and Campbell, who even Cable admits is not ready?

IMO, those are moves you make when your season is lost. Instead, again IMO, Cable should be working even harder to get the current starters to gel better as a group.

12:17 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Tonight's game is huge for Raiders fans. This is a game to watch for those who ONLY watch the Raiders.

Denver must win for Raiders fans!

IMO, SD is still the biggest threat in the division and we should hope to maintain the largest possible gap with them. Raiders have one game left against each division opponent. Right now, we still own ALL tie-breakers in the division, and we still control our own destiny.

12:30 PM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I did state that I assumed the staff feels these are the best players. But, I was asked what changes I would make, so I answered it.

“IMO, those are moves you make when your season is lost. Instead, again IMO, Cable should be working even harder to get the current starters to gel better as a group.

The same argument could be made for wide receiver and Cable probably is working hard to get the current guys to play better as a group.

Now, Lincoln Kennedy was a bust at LT in Atlanta and turned into a Pro Bowl player at RT with us. Henderson might work against the, normally, weaker rusher. Langston Walker basically is a wall they have to run around at the moment. He doesn’t move well in pass protection. And, the fact that we have pretty much quit running right except to see if we can catch the defense napping speaks for itself.

Our best running plays to the right are those where Gallery is pulling to the right.

My greater point is we set a priority for defense last off season. We now are amongst the top in sacks and total defense. The run defense is better and should improve even more with another years experience for the young guys. OL should now move to the top of the priority list.

H

12:42 PM  
Blogger H said...

On tonights game.

These Monday night things usually end at or after midnight eastern time.

At my advanced age staying up that late and getting up at 0530 hours is tough.

I'll have to catch the highlights.

H

12:46 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

I have the opposite problem at my advanced age...Insomnia...But than I can't crawl out of the sack at no 5:30am either...7:00-8:00am is early when it's so cold in the morning...9:00am gives time for the morning chill to lift if the sun shines...

Camping out in an old RV...Ya Know!!!...Like the "Old Man In A Van Down By The River"....The big river...Pacific River stretches all the way to my home on the West Pacific where it's warm about now at 6:00am...



Got's an idea...I know that's unusual but here goes anyway...

We need the AFCW...Than we will have at least one "PO" game here in Cali...Pitts may not take their division away from Baltimore...They may have to play us as the "WC" in our house...Pay-Backs Bitches!!!...

Than we can put their season to an end once and for all like we helped to do last season....

That rivalry is definitely back..."Big-Worthlessburger" set out to disrupt Seymour...Talking him up before the game saying he never played like this before at "NE" like he was not much back than...Than the "O" gets into it with him several times so when "Assault-Dick" provokes him he reacts...I think it would be good to give Seymour another crack at that Bitch...But this time it will be more than just a little punch in the chest that slides up to his gin-guard....

PantyRaider...Break His Fuckin Legs!!!/_

Titans place Vince Young on IR

PS...Anyone interested in Vince Young???...

3:07 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

panty that's a NO on vince young. we don't need another jabustus. besides, that guy is a head case. i say we go get a qb to develop in the draft - i believe our first pick is a 2nd rounder and keep building up that offensive line.

3:17 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Seymour fined $25,000 _ no suspension


Look at this freakin Crap...

“We had to give it everything we got, whether it was eye-gouging or spitting on each other. A lotof that was going on this game. It’s uncalled for, but in the heat of battle, it happens,” Kemoeatu said.

Asked if Seymour should be suspended, Pittsburgh’s Harrison said, “I don’t see why not. They’re trying to suspend guys for hits when that’s within the whistles _ some hits that guys can’t even stop from doing . . . you tell me what the next step is for a guy who, blatantly outside the play, when it’s already said and done, and a guy is celebrating with his teammates, you punch him in the face.”

Now that is some real "BS" Crap from these bastards....I hope the NFL took into account what that bitch "G" said-n-did and just let's Seymour off with a fine to pay...This was a totally planned provoked situation...

Hopefully we have Nmandi -n- "DHB" back...

PantyRaider...Seymour Lives!!!/_

3:42 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
scorpio said...

panty that's a NO on vince young. we don't need another jabustus. besides, that guy is a head case. i say we go get a qb to develop in the draft - i believe our first pick is a 2nd rounder and keep building up that offensive line.
>>>>

I'm thinking the same myself.

Theres never going to be another Gannon in todays NFL (prolly BECAUSE of Gannon) and many of the blue chip QB's coming out lately (besides of course JaMoney) are doing pretty well.

Colt McCoy might be better than either of our QBs and we coulda got him last year in the 3rd round.

I like our young defense, and I am not yet ready to write off our WRs yet... QB and some linemen is really our biggest need.

Right now we might be the only team .500 or over with a bottom 10 QB.

3:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio....

I'm not so sure I put it all on Young...Jeff Fisher has had problems with several players in the past...He is a tough coach and some players have difficulty dealing with that type of aggressive personality...No doubt Moss will now be disruptive too sense their season is taking a dive but Vince is a competitor and just wanted to stay in there and play but now I think he is done just like Hainsworth was done...Hard to patch things up with Jeff Fisher...He is the "Dictator" and everyone had better know it...

Not saying I wouldn't like to have Fisher as our coach so don't try to put words in my moth...Just acknowledging that some personalities are not very compatible together...I think there has been friction between Jeff -n- Vince for quite some time...

Vince has shown tons more talent and desire than "JePurple" ever did...Like I said he ain't always very pretty but he would really fit a run based team like ours...He can make it easy on the "OL" with his legs and he can hit his targets down field...With our speed he would be a great fit in our "O"...

PantyRaider....I Think Al Pulls The Trigger!!!/_

3:56 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
OL should now move to the top of the priority list.
>>>

QB first, sorry. I agree we should try flipping Henderson to RT, and lets not forget Bruce Campbell might be ready next year at RG. That would leave center, and QB is more important than center any day.

QB 2nd round, center third... unless Al pulls off a blockbuster for Micheal Vick... I watched him for the first time this season last night... the guy is not to be discounted.

4:00 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

WHAT? gary and i agree on something? whayddayaknow! we can't mess with the most important position on the field. we need a leader. and campbell is NOT a leader.

let grad and boller duke it out next year.

its unfortunate that colt brennan had that car accident in hawaii. there were no further reports on his condition so no one knows anything else other than that news. IF and i say IF he recovers, perhaps we can start there...

4:07 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Panty... not sold on Young... not even sure he is any better than what we have NOW.

Maybe Kolb will be available for trade after Philly franchises Vick?

4:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary..

I pimped him and I would love Vick #1...But I don't see it happening...Philly will stick him with the Franchise Tag and we don't have a #1 to after him with...

My 2nd is to pimp Vince Young so that's where I'm at now...

I can't think of another quality winning "QB" that will be available this off season...

3rd is to pimp Colt Brennen if he recovers from his auto accident...He is not in the top contenders but I think he has some serviceable talent that we can use...More than "JustCrap" is showing for sure...

Who else will be out there...

PantyRaider...Bring Back "jePurple" He's Still Out Of Work!!!/_

It's funny...Folks take a look but NO-ONE let's him in...Not even when they lose their "QB" like the "Gutted Fish" or Titans or Skins...

4:09 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
scorpio said...

WHAT? gary and i agree on something? whayddayaknow!
>>>>

LOL! True that!

We are sadly the only team in the NFL battling for a playoff position without a decent QB (off the top of my head).

Kinda sucks not having confidence in the QB position while in a playoff race.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Who else will be out there...
>>>>

Not sure how strong this years college QB class is, but I would not touch Young with a ten-foot pole.

I'd much rather roll the dice on an unproven college QB than another head-case scrap-heap QB.

A ton of these college QBs are stepping right in lately... maybe because all top colleges are running pro-style offenses?

Philly would be NUTS letting Vick go to free-aqency... some of those deep throws last night rolling out of trouble were HOF quality... he'd be a PERFECT Raider.

4:21 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

We went threw that for years back in the 80's -n- 90's when we had Mark Wilson/Jay Schroeder/Steve Burline and such...

PantyRaider...History repeats!!!!/_

4:25 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The knock on Vince Young is the same as Russell, without J-purple.

Young is a 9 to 5 worker. He doesn't put in the extra time it takes to be an NFL QB.

Work ethic is never more important than at QB.

That's part of what makes Gradkowski able to do things that Campbell simply can't (at this time). He might not play like Gannon, but he has Gannon's work ethic.

4:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I hadn't heard about his laziness before...But than I don't follow many players who aren't Raiders...I just look at him play and see something I like...Also something I don't like but feel he would fit a strong running team with speed like ours...

PantyRaider...Speculation!!!/_

4:58 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Sooo.. if Norv doesn't get to the playoffs this year and is fired... wouldn't SD be a PERFECT fit for St. Gruden?

A hands-off, loyal owner, and one of the NFLs best QB's. Plus SD's weather (as opposed to Minn)... might be interesting...

6:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

Loyal to who...Spanos is one of the cheapest owners in the NFL and look what he did to "Shotty" when he was winning...Replaced him with Turner...He has NOT been loyal at all to his players....

But than they would prolley be interested in Gruden because when he was here they couldn't win...

PantyRaider....Hope It Happens So We Have A Good Rivalry...I Hate "GrudDumb"!!!!/_

6:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

No on VY.

No on using a high draft pick on a QB.

We haven't drafted and developed a QB who was a high draft choice in 40 years.

Kolb would definitely intrigue me if he becomes available.

6:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

How long ago was the "Snake"...

....2010
...-1968
---------
...=42 yrs

Yup!...Guess your right...

7:11 PM  
Blogger H said...

Gary,

Look at Detroit. They've spent high draft picks on everything but OL. Until this year they wouldn't even touch DL.

Stafford can't stay off the injured list.

So, are you suggesting we lose more games so we can have a higher draft choice as you suggested last January.

No, OL has got to be a top priority. Upright quarterbacks tend to perform better. We have upgraded quarterback from last season. Let's not continue reinventing the wheel. Let's keep the wheels we have healthier.

If Philly makes the playoffs and wins a first round game, Vick will be franchised at a minimum, so take him off any dream list.

Also, I'm not overly impressed with the QB's that will be available when we draft. I'm assuming that will be somewhere mid second round.

No on Vince Young.

I think we have good depth at quarterback. I'd like to see what they can do with a solid OL. Especially Gradkowski.

Campbell can also do the job, if he'll stop hanging on to the ball too long and just cut it loose.

H

7:14 PM  
Blogger x said...

"WR" is the reason we lost this damn game..."DHB" was out!!!...

Now that is absolutely hilarious!

Yeah, a guy that's played 18 games. Started them all. And 13 times he has zero or one catch.

That guy would've made the difference at Pittsburgh last Sunday.

Too funny.

On another subject - just caught NFL Network before the MNF game and what is the freakin' deal with Warren Sapp? He continues to blast and mock the Raiders. Every time he's on! If he doesn't bring up the Raiders to ridicule them, one of the other guys mentions the Raiders in order to give him a platform to ridicule them.

He's making a fool of himself with his obsession. What did the Raiders do to him but pay him way more than he was worth?

7:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

SuckAss "MuleHead"s are going to let us down...

Losing 7-21 at the half...

Come'on and start buckin little bitches...

Heee! Hah! Heee! Hah! and get it freakin going and stop letting "SD" play rip the tail off the donkey...Next they will use you like a pinata...

http://thepinatashop.net/custom_pinatas/donkey_pinatas.html

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs009/1101793155518/archive/1101978578139.html

Damn I hate rooting for those bastards....But what else can I do...

PantyRaider...Get Up Ya Damn Mule!!!/_

7:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"X"...

I had to throw that one out there...He was the one starter on the "O" we were missing from the recent winning steak so it just made sense...He's out so we can't move the chains...


"H"...

Maybe we need to take the smelling salts away from Shane and cram it up "JustCrap"s nose to wake him the hell up...

Did anyone see "Ski" jumping around on the sidelines like he had ants in his pants before they let him come in...He was excited and on the edge that whole 3rd quarter while "JustCrap" was a sleep and looking stupid as usual...

Damn I wish he had come in before that damn game got out of hand...

PantyRaider...Somebody Light My Fire Cries "JustCrap"!!!/_

7:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well the "MuleHead"s continue to shit all over themselves and than step in it...Role over and die in it...

Either they are just that bad or the beast has awaken and we will have a real dogfight trying to win our division...

This week "SD" goes to Indy so maybe they fall...

"KC" could stumble in Sea....

We must beat the "Gutted Fish"...

Next week...

Den @ "KC"...

Raiders @ "SD"....

PantyRaider....ShowDown Time In the West!!!/_

7:56 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
H said...

Look at Detroit. They've spent high draft picks on everything but OL. Until this year they wouldn't even touch DL.

Stafford can't stay off the injured list.

So, are you suggesting we lose more games so we can have a higher draft choice as you suggested last January.
>>>

So if they get a few stud o-linemen to plug in this year they have a good o-line and STAFFORD.

We still have two backup QBs...

Years ago, SD "wasted" three high draft picks on QB's and one just won a SB (for another team) and the other is keeping them at championship quality teams... and might win a MVP if they go to the playoffs.

Tenn had the best lines in football for awhile now and hasn't won a frigging playoff game for just as long because their QB's always suck.

Cmon H... name a top team without a top QB.

Now look at all the bottom teams and all the QB problems... do you really think it all is a coincidence and the o-lines are all responsible?

The NFL is and alwayswill be a QB league.

The last time we had a consistent team was when we had a consistent QB.

Don't you get sick of HOPING our QB wont suck every week after 9 yrs since Gannon snapped his neck?

9:02 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

H... I think we both agreed last season we had a great draft... but imagine now if we had drafted Colt McCoy instead of Houston or even VELDHEER?

He just got done beating NO, and NE, and took the Jets to OT.

Meanwhile our blindside is great, but we have two QBs that everyone on the planet sez IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Pick the best available QB on the board first... THEN add a o-lineman.

9:41 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The Raiders best and most likely chance to upgrade the QB is signing a veteran QB with talent who needs a 2nd chance or an opportunity to be a #1 QB.

I wish it wasn't true but I don't see drafting and developing a QB.

If there isn't a QB who can take us to the next level in 2011 available, our best route is to further strengthen OLine, WR corps, and talent level on D.

9:58 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"The NFL is and always will be a QB league."

Gary, doesn't that statement conflict were your earlier claims that the WR position is not so important?

I doubt the Raiders will have access to a QB that could improve their current roster.

I agree with H that building the O-line should be a top priority. I've been saying that now for about eight years, or at least the last five years.

You can say the Raiders started losing when Gannon left, but we actually went south (literally and figuratively) when Barrett Robbins crossed the border. At the very least, that was a battery we may never be able to duplicate again.

In the Raiders tradition of All-Pro centers, Satele, and Grove before him, are substandard players. IMO, this is where we suffer most.

4:56 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

"The NFL is and always will be a QB league."

Gary, doesn't that statement conflict were your earlier claims that the WR position is not so important?
>>>>


Explain what this even means?

That is pretty much the single most illogical statement I have ever seen here.

Heres an exercise... if anyone thinks the o-line is more important the QB ... take a list of the standings listed top to bottom... look at the teams at the top half, and compare to the teams at the bottom half.

The usual suspects at the top: Brady, Manning, Brees, Rothlesberger, Rodgers... with Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez all making up a youth movement. All teams above us, all teams with better QBs.

Look at the teams at the bottom:
Car, Buff, SF, Ariz... none have their QB situation figured out.

Do we really have people here claiming its all because of o-lines???

6:01 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

The statement is "illogical" only if you expect to acquire a top flight QB who can hand the ball to his RBs and dump off passes to his RBs and TEs.

Seems to me if it's a QB driven league, as you say, WR might play an important role. Clearly, this is in conflict with numerous claims you've made that WR is not so important.

8:32 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>

Seems to me if it's a QB driven league, as you say,
>>>>

Good gawd... what person would say anything different???

Are you arguing with me just for the sake of arguing with me?


>>>>
WR might play an important role. Clearly, this is in conflict with numerous claims you've made that WR is not so important.
>>>>

Thats an interesting conclusion.

Seems to me if you have a top flight QB, WR quality is even further devalued. Brady is 8-2 with what WRs??? Especially with Welker not recovered?

Keep lobbing me softballs NYR...

8:58 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Re: "QB"-vs-"OL"...Which comes 1st...

Depends upon who is available 1st...

"JC" was just a stop-gap worth about a 4th rd pick...We have him for one more season if needed...

"Veld" was worth a 3rd rd pick or higher...We have him indefinitely...

We passed on the high priced "QB" this off season...He has been often injured but also played well...I like our draft better than I like him....

This coming off-season will be interesting....We are a few more pieces and health away from taking total command of the West...Who is available and who do we go for...

Vet "QB"...Vick/Young/?
Draft......?

"OT"/"C"/"RG"....Vet ?...
Draft........?

"WR"....Vet Plexaco Burris/Vincent Jackson
Draft.......?

Can anyone fill in the names and do you tie our hands again going for the talent because of the issues..."TO"/Moss/Brandon Marshal were NOT gone after...Vick was also ignored...

Keep demanding we get the help but NOT willing to pay the price....Makes NO sense to me at all....



Here are the AFCW Schedules...The difference is 2 games between us -n- "SD"...They get "SF"/Cinn while we get Mia/Jack....3 game difference with "KC"-n-Denver but still a South team...Tenn-or-Hous....Close...Very close...And we all play each other...

SAN DIEGO (25-35)
at Indianapolis 6-4
Oakland 5-5
Kansas City 6-4
San Francisco 3-7
at Cincinnati 2-8
at Denver 3-7

KANSAS CITY (27-33)
at Seattle 5-5
Denver 3-7
at San Diego 5-5
at St. Louis 4-6
Tennessee 5-5
Oakland 5-5

DENVER (27-33)
St. Louis 4-6
at Kansas City 6-4
at Arizona 3-7
at Oakland 5-5
Houston 4-6
San Diego 5-5

OAKLAND (31-29)
Miami 5-5
at San Diego 5-5
at Jacksonville 6-4
Denver 3-7
Indianapolis 6-4
Kansas City 6-4

PantyRaider...It's Doable If We Have The Heart -n- Health!!!!/_

9:29 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Realistically:

"KC" is stumbling and Denver is out...

"SD" is our major threat....

If we win our games against the AFCW and are 6-n-0 that puts us at the top...We pick up one game on "SD" so could afford to lose one other game and still lead...

That would mean winning the next 4 -w- a loss to Indy and win at "KC"...We would be 10-n-6...As I posted at the beginning of the season 10-n-6 will take it and that's exactly where it is now...But we need to finish 5-n-1 with wins in the West...We need 2/3 against Miami/Jacks/Indy + "SD"/Den/"KC...

NOT an easy task...The last week will be huge...We go to "KC"s bitter cold while "SD" goes to Denver's bitter cold...Who walks out on top may also take the West...

PantyRaider...No Time To Pout...Get Up For Miami!!!/_

9:45 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

I'm just making an observation. You say QB is the most critical player (which I'm not disagreeing), but you place little emphasis on WR, and even less if you have a good QB.

I find that very interesting. So if I have a good Indy driver, I don't really need a good car?

9:54 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Just Fast...

The driver can make up for the little handling problems...

9:57 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Something else new or reborn...

The Raiders are now getting known as a physical team again and to the point that teams lose the week after playing us like in our distant past...Cable is bringing that all back again...

SO...

If we can make that happen in 2 weeks when we play "SD" they will lose the following week to "KC"...2 losses in a row would be nice...

Lets see how Pitts does at Buffalo this week to see if that trend continues...Their "OL" was hurting Sunday so maybe they can't get up for this weeks game...

PantyRaider...Indy Takes'em Down This Week!!!!/_

10:09 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders Slipped: "O"-n-"D"

"O"........#16
Pass.......#29
Rush.......#2
Scoring....#11
"OL".......#30

"D"........#11
Pass.......#4
Rush.......#25
Scoring....#18
Sacks......#4 Tie
Ints.......#30

NOT a good performance across the board....

PantyRaider...Better Get Healthy Against The "Gutted Fish"!!!/_

10:22 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Wrist injury reportedly will sideline Chargers' WR Crayton two weeks

The Chargers' receiving corps has been decimated by injuries this season, and it was without Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates for the second consecutive game Monday night.

Malcolm Floyd returned to action Monday, but tweaked his nagging hamstring injury, according to the Union-Tribune. Wide receiver Vincent Jackson is scheduled to return Sunday night, when the Chargers play the Indianapolis Colts.


2 weeks is after we play them...Hopefully Jackson is not up to much after sitting out so long....Indy should be able to knock these guys off and than if we can do the same and they lose to "KC" they are no longer a threat....

PantyRaider...Let The Chips Fall!!!/_

11:18 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

83 year old JoePa says he’s coming back in 2011

Nice...But folks on this board would think you too old and the game has passed you by...

I like this quot:

In Happy Valley, a 7-4 record is considered a disappointment. The first question asked of Paterno on Tuesday was whether he planned to return.

“Yeah, why you know something I don’t know,” he quipped.

PantyRaider....Than Came Al @ "81"!!!/_

11:58 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Of note regarding "KC"...

This season they are undefeated at home...

BUT...

They have not won a single road game...

Thus:

at Seattle 5-5.......Loss
Denver 3-7...........Win
at San Diego 5-5.....Loss
at St. Louis 4-6.....Loss
Tennessee 5-5........Win
Oakland 5-5..........Win

Finish at 8-n-8 but 3-n-3 AFCW...

Oakland-n-"SD" are 4-n-1 at home and 1-n-4 away but "SD" is only 1-n-2 in the AFCW...We all have 3 home -n- 3 away left to play....2/3 of our AFCW games will be away so we need to win on the road....

Our only away "V" was against Denver...

PantyRaider...Interesting Conclusion Taking Shape!!!!/_

12:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Dolphins' "OT" Long might be done for season; "C" Procter to IR...

Jake Long needs shoulder surgery and can't practice or lift weights for at least four months.

"WR" Brandon Marshall Hamstring...

Chris Clemons (S) Out

Down to 3rd "C" and 3rd "QB"...

If our "D" can't impose it's will upon these guys we are weak!!!....

PantyRaider..."Gutted Fish" Must Die!!!!/_

This "D" will play angry....I hope!!!...

12:52 PM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

Gary said, "H... I think we both agreed last season we had a great draft... but imagine now if we had drafted Colt McCoy instead of Houston or even VELDHEER?"

Colt McCoy is an average QB. Campbell and Gradkowski are average QBs. We have WRs, that for the majority, are average. Louis Murphy and Zach Miller are going to be above average. I cannot say the same for Chaz because of injury. He has yet to complete an NFL Season in his career. But beyond those 2, it is too early to say on DHB, Jacoby Ford, and Nick Miller. JLH is average at best. I think that is the problem offensively, we have too many average players, and no veteran to help make them better.

Imagine if we drafted Jordan Shipley instead of a QB, Houston, or Veldheer (which we could have picked later), with Campbell/Gradkowski at QB, DHB, Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, and Zach Miller. Or imagine if we would have signed or traded for a WR like Anquan Boldin, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Marshall, T.O.; or drafted someone like Calvin Johnson a few years back, or DeSean Jackson?

I think we are a good WR away of being more productive offensively. I also think we can be in the same boat if we had a decent QB like Mike Vick, Vince Young, Ben Rothlesberger (whom we passed on), Drew Brees (signing him when SD cut him), or discovering someone like Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.

You can argue all you want that this is a QB league, and to some extent it is. A great QB in this league is unafraid to take risks; but it doesn't always pan out or equate to a Super Bowl, though sometimes it does (i.e.-Favre, Romo, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Dan Marino,etc).

I think we can have an average QB like Campbell and Gradkowski, give them WRs that are going to consistently catch the ball (not consistently drop the ball), and do well. Example of this: Ravens, Buccaneers, Steelers, Falcons, Jets, Titans, the Vikings under Dennis Green (with Moss, Chris Carter, and Culpepper at QB). I can go on and on; but it is rare to find a great QB with mediocre WRs succeed (like the Patriots and Colts).

You need both. You need quality WRs and a quality QB. I think we are one quality WR away from doing that, more so than one quality QB.

2:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's a couple interesting comments from J-Mac about the Raiders' WRs:

jerrymac:

"Straight ahead speed isn't how you get open. It's knowing the passing game, knowing where to break off a route, going after the ball . . . it was one thing I noticed at a 49ers practice earlier this year. They're receivers are no great shakes either, but they attack the ball much more so than the Raiders do in practice, even in drills."

jerrymac:

"Would have to see the [FA] list first, and who is actually eligible under what new terms would constitute free agency. And frankly, they've given me no faith in the last couple of years that they understand what is needed at WR."

As a whole, this is a subpar group, and the Raiders have no one but themselves to blame.

2:50 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderNate75...

Basically I agree...Takes 2 to tango...The one exception is if the "QB" is good and we have the "TE"-n-"RB"/FB" to take up the slack...

Problem is we have the "TE"/"RB"s/"FB" to do just that but fail at the "QB" position to get consistent results out of them...Consequently right now that quality "QB" could be all the difference in the world in this "O"...

Yes...Add in a top caliber "WR" along with the maturing of our young "WR"s and we've got something to build upon...But how damn far if we still struggle to consistently get the ball into their hands or to the "TE"-n-"RB"s...

Ask this...If we had one of the top "QB"s that you just mentioned with our "TE"/"RB"s/"FB" and present young core of "WR"s could we have moved the chains and had a shot at beating Pits...

I would say unquestionably YES!!!...


"NYR"...

Takes time to build a roster...We are just as void of talent or even more so on the "OL"...At "QB"...

Than on the "D" side of the ball we need a "CB"...Maybe another "DT"/"DE" for substitution depth....Will one of our young guys step up or do we need to go after someone else???...

The needs are dwindling so that's a step in the right direction I thunk!!!...

PantyRaider...Now We have To Find A Way To Win With What We Got's!!!!/_

3:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

One thing about had we drafted one of those "QB"s was the state of the Raiders at that time...

"BigBen" came out with Eli Manning and Rivers....

"04" #11...Rivers at #4...

We took Gallery at #2 who was what was right at the time...Well so much for being right...

But "BigBen" went to a very stable program and still had too many off field issues to stay focused on football...What would he have been in "OakTown"....Out-a-Control"...

Same with Brees when let go in "06" when we had that "Bread-n-Breakfast" thing and the "Mole" -vs- "Paranoia" going on under that shattered "Cone-o-Silence" -w- Shell II...Doubt he could have helped that team at all...

Rivers may have been another story and maybe we wouldn't have taken such a dive so quickly with his talents in our backfield...Who knows...But Turner would have found a way...

Now we are in a much better circumstance to bring a top talent "QB" into the mix...We have some stability and an "OC" who could make it work...Also most of the weapons already in place...

PantyRaider...Question Is Where We Find That "QB"....Over Half The NFL Is Still Looking Too!!!/_

3:44 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

For the "WR" argument:

It's much easier/less expensive to bring in a top tier "WR" than a top tier "QB"...

It's much easier/cheaper to get a top tier "ROT" than a top tier "WR"...

We have the "RG"s already on the roster...Loper/Campbell...

Top tier "C" I'm not so sure....

But here is a thought...If we went after Vick we need a top tier "ROT" to protect his blindside...

PantyRaider...The "Dawg" Is A Southpaw!!!!/_

4:30 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

NYR... funny how you latched on to JMACs WR comments but missed this:

...quote...
jerrymac:
I think the Raiders biggest problem in the passing game is the lack of a really, really good passer. And Vince Young is not a really a good passer. A big no on that one.

....end quote..


Doesn't get much clearer than that.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Nate 75 said...


Colt McCoy is an average QB. Campbell and Gradkowski are average QBs.
>>>>

The difference is he's started THREE games.

I don't have any other problems with what you said, but its kinda crazy to compare a rookie QB to QBs that have had tons of starts and have only proven they are as good (or actually WORSE) than a frigging rookie... agreed?

5:56 PM  
Blogger onandonandon said...

Relax people, we're not in the Steelers' league at this point. JCamp still remains our best choice at QB until we can find a QB better. However, Ski is no where near in Campbell's league. Check their career stats again; otherwise, I won't continue to argue this nonsense. We got beat by a better team. We have an average at best O-line and our receiving corps is just not as good as some here make them out to be. Our D is okay. We've improved, but we're not even close to being a top tier team.

6:07 PM  
Blogger onandonandon said...

Relax people, we're not in the Steelers' league at this point. JCamp still remains our best choice at QB until we can find a QB better. However, Ski is no where near in Campbell's league. Check their career stats again; otherwise, I won't continue to argue this nonsense. We got beat by a better team. We have an average at best O-line and our receiving corps is just not as good as some here make them out to be. Our D is okay. We've improved, but we're not even close to being a top tier team.

6:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

I didn't miss that comment, nor did I intentionally not post it here.

I never disagreed that we have a problem at QB. If you look at my posts, I've said many times that I don't believe Campkowski is the long-term answer.

I was merely commenting on your inconsistent and/or conflicting dialogue. What can I say, I find it amusing.

Funny thing is the WR position is relatively easy to address in a short-term, but it simply wasn't. We've had literally years to add an inexpensive veteran WR to enhance our roster.

Instead, we've maintained inactive and injured WRs, and relied on mostly young and inexperienced players.

Sure, in another year or two these guys might have some experience and one, maybe two guys could step up to be a real player.

But a stopgap seemed so obvious, and there has been plenty of opportunity to clear a roster spot at WR. It just never made sense to me, which was reaffirmed by J-Mac’s comments.

So while the comments I posted mean something to me, I didn't feel the need to post something that you feel strongly about. Why should I do that?

You think it's all about you, don't you?

6:24 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Onandon -

I don't understand your continued support of Campbell and disapproval of Ski.

While neither guy is winning the job, Campbell has been downright awful at times.

I’m sure he’s one or two more bad quarters from being diagnosed with narcolepsy.

What stands out for me is Ski's energy, command of the huddle (which he proved last year), quick decision-making, ball release, and apparent understanding of the playbook. Campbell lacks in all these areas.

We have a hurdle to get over if we have any chance to make the playoffs. I don't see Campbell getting us there with his inability to handle the pressure.

As far as I can tell, he's still the same QB that led Washington to a 4-12 record, despite putting up respectable stats. He just doesn't have the engery and drive that a team needs to get over the hump.

6:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Wrist injury to sideline Chargers' WR Crayton several weeks


Fisher: Young welcome at Titans' facility, just not team meeting

"I went to look for Vince in the locker room prior to a team meeting, couldn't find him. I had one of my assistants inform Vince he was not welcome in the team meeting for obvious reasons," Fisher said Tuesday night on his weekly radio show. "I discussed the situation that happened the night before (at the meeting)."

Vince Young 2010 Statistics
Touchdown Passes: 10
Interceptions: 3
Passing Yards: 1,255
Passer Rating: 98.6

What it doesn't show here is how he keeps plays alive with his legs...Similar to Vick...

He will no doubt be available and I say pull the trigger Big Al...

Unless of course we can get Vick...



"JC"s Production 27 Quarters: Rate 75.8
8 Games Played -w- 7 "TD"s to 6 "Int"s
104/190 1,322yds 54.7% 7yds ave
23 Sacks 147yds
9 Fumbles 1 lost

"Ski"s Production 13 Quarters: Rate 67
5 Games Played -w- 4 "TD"s -n- 5 "Int"s
66/125 807yds 66% 6.5yds ave
9 Sacks 72 yds
3 Fumbles 1 Lost

As you look at the #'s "Ski"s are in half as many quarters as "JC"...So let's just double all "Ski"s #'s and see where he would project in 26 Quarters for comparison...

8 "TD"s -n- 10 "Int"s
132/250 1614yds
18 Sacks 144yds
6 Fumbles 2 Lost

To my surprise not a whole lot of separation between them..."Ski" should have gained an extra 300yds...5 less Sacks but same yds lost...3 less Fumbles but 1 extra lost...1 extra "TD" but 4 extra "Int"s....

I know when I watch them play "Ski" seems so much more alive to me and his passes are quicker and closer to the receivers....But as Cable pointed out the production is the same...

PantyRaider...I Still Prefer "Ski" Over "JustCrap"!!!!/_

7:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

One other thing of note I just noticed: Playcalling...

"Ski" would have thrown 30% more passes than "JC" to come up with his 300 extra yds....

So the ratio of run-to-pass is not the same....

Hue calls a greater # of pass plays when "Ski" is in there...30% is a substantial figure....Now does that explain why we always run on 1st dn when "JC" is in the game...Hue just doesn't trust him to throw the ball that frequently....

PantyRaider...Interesting Stats!!!/_

7:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Jarvis Moss to replace Scott?

A message on the registered account of JMossVsJarvis says: “So it’s official! I’m an Oakland Raider! God is good thank him.”

former Denver Broncos first-round draft pick Jarvis Moss the No. 17 overall selection out of Florida in 2007. He never exhibited the pass rush skills the Broncos expected and he was waived last week with 3.5 career sacks, going unclaimed

6'7" 257#s "OLB"...

So does Wimbely move to "RDE" and moss to his "OLB" spot or does Moss play "RDE" in place of Scott....


More on the "QB" comparisons:

"JustCrap" has several laps periods where he "Sleep Walks"...Has a passer rate below 30...Can't complete a pass to move the chains and our "D" gets gassed...Than he get's hot and makes up ground sometimes if there's enough time left in the day...Or he never wakes up at all...Thus he has an ave of 75 as a passer rate...

"Ski" is more stable and consistent so although his rate is lower at 67 he maintains and we usually move the chains giving the "D" a rest....

Production may be very similar but the overall effect on the team is quite different...

PantyRaider...I Definitely Take "Ski"!!!/_

9:40 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>

As far as I can tell, he's still the same QB that led Washington to a 4-12 record, despite putting up respectable stats. He just doesn't have the engery and drive that a team needs to get over the hump
>>>>

100% agreement on this one NYR.

Campbell would be a perfect fit for a team that doesn't really even need a QB... the 2000 Ravens fer instance.

But there rarely is a team that can win consistently with defense and running alone... hell, just once in the history of the NFL it could be argued.

The only reason Campbell has won more than last years Redskin team is our defense and running game is better.

10:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

WoW!...Off the subject but I just got word from home of a people stampede that kills about 400 and injures about 700 on a bridge at the water festival in Phnom Pehn, Cambodia....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-11/24/c_13620551.htm

Totally preventable disaster but they are just learning the "New World" ideas after being isolated for some 40 years because of Pol Pot...Far too often there is no rhyme or reason to what they do...It just seamed fun at the time....

In our own back yard I have been at a couple football stadiums that erupted into violence and no one knew how far it would go...That was a Pitts game in LA...Than the following game against Denver I think that went into overtime...

Way too much adrenalin mixed with beer/drugs and it became highly volatile....Than they took beer away in that stadium...

I strongly suspect that's what happened in PP also...They drink way too much and now the drugs are infesting the young....

For reasons like this I quit going to large scale events..."97" when I returned from Hawaii on my boat and attended a New Yrs Day celebration in SF that went radically bad took the desire right out of me...Too damn many stupid punks and someone got their hands on dynamite/M-80's or whatever and lit it off under the crowd in the sewer drains...That was just the start of it...

PantyRaider...Heed The Warning -n- Be Careful This Season!!!!/_

8:55 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders reportedly will sign ex-Bronco Moss to replenish D-line

Moss likely will be moved back to defensive end, his college position, to help offset the season-ending injury to Trevor Scott, who sustained a knee injury Sunday. Moss had a total of 3.5 sacks in 34 career games with the Broncos at "OLB".

Maybe he will play better at "DE" than he did at "OLB" for the "MuleHeads"...That would be nice....Just one more thing to rub in their faces when we meet again...Let him take down Tebow if he is playing by then...


Looking at the Miami game it's pretty damn even across the board...Except when the injuries are tallied...That should give us a huge edge if our "QB" can make enough plays to move the chains...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010112809/2010/REG12/dolphins@raiders#tab:analyze

PantyRaider...This One Should Be Ours!!!!/_

9:19 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It's now official:

11/24/2010 Signed DE/LB Jarvis Moss
6'7" 260#s....

The former "07" 1st rd pick of the "MuleHead"s posted this when he was signed....

“So it’s official! I’m an Oakland Raider! God is good thank him.”

Now let's see if he is re-born and can help us get after the "QB"s-n-"RB"s....

Than in 4 weeks we get to turn him lose on the "Mulehead"s and let him play "Rip The Tail Off The Donkey"....

PantyRaider....Slap da Donkey!!!/_

1st though slaughter the "Gutted Fish"...

1:00 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"Relax people, we're not in the Steelers' league at this point"
***********************************

I couldn't agree more, Onandon.

More revealing is how Raiders will respond to the steeler loss.

A win against the dead fish, and things are right back on track.

Good example is the Chefs. Blown out 49-24 vs Donks, but rebound to beat Cards the next week.

Raiders must do the same, and will be right back in ACF west hunt.

3:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Like I said Fisher is a tough coach and when you get cross-ways with him it's very difficult to get straight again....


Titans Vince Young apologizes to Fisher via text

But the coach also didn’t text his quarterback in response.

“I’m not a real big text guy,” Fisher said. “I’m not really into this new age stuff. I don’t twit or tweet. But I think face-to-face is a man thing, OK?”

Asked if hearing from his quarterback by text does some good to a relationship that has seemed beyond repair, Fisher said he didn’t think so.

That was his reply so does he accept the apology or doesn't he...Prolley doesn't mater cause he want Vince Young out...

PantyRaider...The Vick/Young Watch Continues!!!/_

In PP Cambo it's reported that mostly women -n- children were trampled to death by the panicked crowds...450 and counting...It may have been caused by an ignorant prank/joke as young punk boys were screening the bridge was falling and the panicked crowd trying to escape killed as they fled...Body upon body -w- suffocated children...How freakin pathetic is that!!!...

3:25 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This from my friend Ross an American who survived the indecent in PP Cambo...Mostly women -n- children account for the 450 deaths....


The huge crowd was pushing to get off the bridge at the same time the out side huge crowd was pushing to get onto the bridge. The cops sprayed the people on the bridge with water canons to try to get them to move and that didn't help anything.
Yes, its pathetic.

3:50 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

The team with TO and the former Chad Johnson STILL has three less wins than the Raiders. How can this be???

6:22 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

You're like a little kid. You just can't put it to rest.

The WR position doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are other players that make up a team.

That's a lot of blame to place on the shoulders of two players.

The fact that the Bengals can't figure out their problems doesn't make it O.K. for the Raiders to not try harder in correcting their own shortcomings.

J-Mac had an interesting take on the Chaz Schilens issue, although I hope he is wrong about Raiders fans placing the blame on Schilens (who has no control of his injury).

On a side, this statement hit home for me:

"Amazing that the team that had the ultimate set of hands in Fred Biletnikoff doesn’t seem to value the whole process of catching the ball as much as it does 40-yard dash times, vertical stretch ability, etc."

Ironically, Dolphins have an undrafted FA WR (Bess) that "cloned" himself after Tim Brown and has 179 catches since 2008. Apparently, he has none of the attributes the Raiders covet in a WR.

http://tinyurl.com/289fvjf

10:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

"J-Mac" is just a "Mediot" who like all "Mediot"s has his own agenda and the agenda of the people he writes for so it's NOT gospel when he gives his personal opinions and that's what your posting...Nothing more than his opinion/satire/speculation/editorial or what ever name they decide to post it under...

He is an outsider like all "Mediot"s and where is the record that he ever even strapped on a freakin Jock and at what level...What authority does he speak from...

Just like me...I post my outside the "Cone-o-Silence" speculation/opinion based upon my playing time at a very low level some 40 years ago and my pro-sports activities outside of FootBall...Rodeo/Motocross where I never made the $$$$...Just an "Also-Ran" like most everyone else who fills out the pack and get's eliminated in the 1st go round...

PantyRaider...But At Least I Was There And Tried!!!/_

3:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Miami Dolphins wide receiver Brandon Marshall didn’t practice again Friday due to a hamstring injury. It’s unlikely he’ll travel with the team to Oakland for Sunday’s game against the Raiders.


— Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha practiced without limitations for the first time this week, clearing the way for him to start against Miami. He is listed as probable.

Also back to full strength and listed as probable is wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, who Cable said would move back in to the starting lineup after missing the Steelers game with a sore hamstring.

Tight end Zach Miller (foot) was limited and listed and questionable but will play.

PantyRaider...All Right!!!...Now The "WR"s Will Produce!!!!/_

"DHB" is Back!!!....

4:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"J-Mac" is just a "Mediot" who like all "Mediot"s has his own agenda"

Funny how his opinion is acceptable when it backs whatever you're pimpin'.

My understanding is that he is a local reporter with as much access to the Raiders as humanly possible, i.e., short of being an employee of Al Davis.

Besides, he didn't have to reach too far to come up with the fact that Al Davis places more emphasis on track speed than football speed. That is well known and well documented by draft picks.

I find it difficult to call somebody misinformed (or a liar) when the evidence is overwhelmingly supportive.

When was the last time the Raiders drafted a possession WR over a speedy track star-type WR?

I believe DHB was the fastest WR in his draft class, and Ford was the fastest player in his draft class. Meanwhile, Murphy has blazing speed. Speed is what what Davis covets. Do you disagree?

7:57 PM  
Blogger x said...

Right on, NYR.

JMAC is probably the most respected Raider beat writer out there and I think that most loyal AND objective Raider fans would agree.

Honestly, you'd have to be blindly loyal to not agree with him on the poor play of the WR corps these last several years. Man, would I love to have Davone Bess on this team. Hope he doesn't hurt us this Sunday....that'll sting.

8:42 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

X...

Now our "DB"s are so weak we have to worry about an undrafted "FA" "WR"s without speed???...And Thigpen getting him the ball...

WoW!...And I'm being a gullible believer???...

He prints it you swallow...

PantyRaider...Subjective Reasoning Is Out The Window!!!!/_

"Mediot" gospel is in!!!...

9:36 PM  
Blogger x said...

Well, that slow, undrafted WR has more catches and TDs than the two Raider starting WRs combined.

Dude grew up a Raider fan too.

I can name quite a few undrafted guys that ended up doing pretty well in the NFL - like that LB over in Pitts.

9:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Checking the wire this morning I was saddened to find out that Patrick Patterson died at age 38. I always thought he was well-informed in his takes on the Raiders. Stuff like this reminds us all how important every day is.

R.I.P.

6:45 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Is "BelleyCheat" in our own division now...Well "McDamCheat" did get his training there so I guess it's to be expected...

NFL looking into Broncos' videotaping; team staffer on leave

The Denver Broncos have placed their director of video operations on leave while the NFL investigates whether the team broke league rules by filming the San Francisco 49ers' walkthrough in London last month.

Hell!...I guess when you can win more than 3 you have to try something stupid...Doesn't look like it helped...

See!!!...This is where Al Davis has failed...He want's to beat you on the field not in the film-room so he failed to prove winning was everything again...

Just goes to show how right-on all those of the "Criers Circle" on their "Trail-o-Tears" in their "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom" were as "IAAF"ers all along...

PantyRaider....Winning Wasn't Everything!!!/_

9:09 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Stats Time Baby!...

Now don't look if this sorta thing depresses you...Don't want to ignite anyone's little insecurity issues here...

Weekly Match-Up:

Raiders -vs- Fish "O"-vs-"D"

"O"-#16............"D"-#7
Pass-#29...........#4
Rush-#2............#20
Scoring-#15........#13
"OL"-#30...........Sacks-#9 Tie
...................Int's-#25 Tie

"D"-#11............"O"-#21
Pass-#3...............#16
Rush-#25...............#21
Scoring-#18...............#29
Sacks-#4 Tie......."OL"-#10
Int's-#31

When we have the ball...

Passing will be difficult...But we already knew that if "JustCrap" is playing...But now the "WR"s will have trouble getting consistently open...But than we don't have any "WR"s anyway so why worry about that....

Rushing should be our bread-n-basket...But please NO "Bread-n-Breakfast" this week...Be creative and dump off to the "RB"s -n- "TE"s like we did early in the season...That shit was working very well so let's get it going again here...

"OL"...You need to show up this week...Can't play on your knees and expect this game to fall in our favor...Be ready to take the heat and deliver a knock-down...Please!!!....

When they have the ball...Thigpen Please!!!...

Bring that heat and be relentless about it...Crumble the "QB" and the rest will follow...Put Nmamdi on their best and take that weapon from their game...Make that "UDFA" "WR" beat us that "X"-n-"NYR" are so worried about...Ya Know!!...The guy Al wouldn't like because he can catch but lacks speed....

They aren't much of a rushing threat lately but be aware of it and don't get caught sleeping...They aren't very good at scoring so let's hold them to "FG"s when they get close...Stopping the run will be key in those situations...

I give this one to us at home...The Fish are gutted by injury and ready for the slaughter..We will play very angry and take it out on them...But just like last week....Don't play with a wounded dog...Just knock'em in the head and put'em down...

PantyRaider...And FEAR that "UDFA" "WR"!!!!/_

9:51 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
When was the last time the Raiders drafted a possession WR over a speedy track star-type WR?
>>>>

Last year. Schillens.

Also I notice you continue to ignore JMacs final conclusion in that argument... it is the QB that is the main problem.

1:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

A day after profootballtalk.com reported “all signs” were pointing toward Bruce Gradkowski as the Raiders’ starting quarterback against Miami, ESPN’s Adam Schefter, citing a “source close to the situation” is reporting the Raiders plan to start Gradkowski.

WHAT!!!!....Why would Al allow that!!!..."JustCrap" is the reincarnation of Plunket....Everyone knows that...Al's calling the shots so don't believe it...

"JustCrap" or die...Because being stuffed up is soooo painful...Give that boy an enema!!!...

Stay tuned for the continuing saga of...

The "IAAF"ers Said So -in- The "Mediot" gods Preach Truth....

PantyRaider....Damn!...And I Was getting Ready To Fear That Slow "UDFA" "WR" Too!!!/_

2:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"J-Mac"s illustrious conclusions are so thought provoking -n- insightful...

Where does he find the energy...

Well...If he read a few Blogs he would have known ages ago we Fans were already looking at such talents as Vick-n-Young...But alas this is his prophetic inspirational incite into the Raider's future dealings...
----------------------------------
If you’re playing these kinds of games with the starting quarterback position ten games into the season, it means you don’t truly have confidence in either one.

Which means they’ll be looking for another quarterback in 2011.
-----------------------------------

PantyRaider...WoW!...Who'd-a Thunk!!!/_

2:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Dolphins WR Marshall ruled out vs. Raiders with bad hamstring

WoW!...That must mean we will put our best defender Nmamdi on that Slow "UDFA" in a futile attempt to take him out of their gameplans...

So sad!!!...We are destined to get burned on that one because Al failed to draft him instead of.....Chaz!!!...

Meanwhile out at sea the "Fish" continue to hide who will be the "QB" when the make shore in "OakTown"....

PantyRaider...No Matter!!!....12-0 SS Double-Rig Will Kill'em All!!!/_

Ah!...Marlin Fisherman understand what I just said...Gaff the bastards -n- Head-Bang'em!!!....

2:40 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Last year. Schillens."

That's it? Schilens? Citing Schilens only supports my assertion.

Schilens was injury prone in college and was drafted as a project player in the seventh round two years ago, not last year.

Aside from a few games and a couple decent catches, he has been injured for most of his short pro career.

Gary, I never said QB wasn't a problem. I just don't think two wrongs make a right. Seems like you want to throw stardust on the WRs and only address the QB situation.

The reality is, it should be far easier to address the WR issue and hope that the three QBs we have can be a stopgap until a viable long-term solution is uncovered.

2:46 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

In Other "Mule Valley" News:

Taping 49ers' practice draws $50K fines for Broncos, McDaniels

The NFL fined the Denver Broncos and coach Josh McDaniels $50,000 each after a team employee violated the league's integrity-of-the-game policy by videotaping a six-minute portion of the San Francisco 49ers' Oct. 30 practice in London.

The Broncos and NFL made the announcement Saturday, nearly one month after the 49ers' 24-16 victory on Oct. 31 at Wembley Stadium.

The Broncos informed the NFL that team video director Steve Scarnecchia took the video and presented it that day to McDaniels, who declined to view it. However, McDaniels was fined because he failed to report the incident as required by league policy.


LIARS!!!!....I didn't look you freakin lying ass donkey crap "RoadApple"!!!!....

Than they follow that "MuleCrap" up with the long overdone apology statement...


"I found out about the situation that day. We certainly did not view or do anything with the footage, and he was made aware that it was something that we didn't condone in our organization

"This incident is in no way representative of what the Broncos stand for, and in no way representative of what I stand for as the head coach of this organization

"We understand that it is not only our job individually, but as an organization, to uphold the integrity of the National Football League by what we do every day, and this certainly was not a good example of that," McDaniels said. "We don't condone this type of activity -- don't teach it, coach it and nor would we ever in the future.

"The Denver Broncos and I, as the owner, believe in the integrity of the National Football League and fair competition and do not, in any way, condone this type of behavior," Bowlen said in a statement. "The fact that an employee of the Denver Broncos would take such action is personally disappointing to me. I apologize to all affected by this incident. ...


Heee! Hah! Heee! Ha! Heeee! Haaah!

Translation:

Dame!...We Got's Caught Again!!!

This totally sums it up...

Scarnecchia and McDaniels previously worked for the New England Patriots, who were found to have videotaped New York Jets coaches sending in signals during a game four years ago.

So Ya!...Like we believe your damn Donkey Ass...Fuckin LIARS!!!...You worked together and did the same damn things in NE for "BelleyCheat"...

PantyRaider...$50K For Cheatin -n- Seymour Got $40K For A Head-Slap!!!....Right!!!/_

2:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

The reality is, it should be far easier to address the WR issue and hope that the three QBs we have can be a stopgap until a viable long-term solution is uncovered.

Funny...How about a reversal here...

The reality is, it should be far easier to address the QB issue and hope that the three WRs we have can be a stopgap until a viable long-term solution is uncovered.

PantyRaider...I Don't Like It...Reverse It!!!/_

3:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"The "IAAF"ers Said So -in- The "Mediot" gods Preach Truth...."

...coming from a guy that lets his emotions cloud his judgement.

PR said: "WoW!...That must mean we will put our best defender Nmamdi on that Slow "UDFA" in a futile attempt to take him out of their gameplans...

So sad!!!...We are destined to get burned on that one because Al failed to draft him instead of.....Chaz!!!..."
_________

That was never how it was presented, but if you want to make that comparison, fine.

Both players entered the NFL in 2008. Bess has 179 career receptions. Schilens has 44 career receptions, and it's uncertain if he'll ever play again.

How does that make us smarter than the Dolphins?

3:04 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

If finding a good QB was easier than WR, then we shouldn't have any problem at QB, right?

We signed three veteran QBs in the last couple years, and tried out several others. Why didn't we just sign a "good one"?

Meanwhile, what veteran WRs have we signed?

It's not a riddle. It's a very simple observation.

3:09 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

So!!!...Past Arguments Revisited:

The Raiders and owner Al Davis failed to make a bona-fide diligent search for a "HC" like Denver did in hiring Josh McDaniels...

Ah!...Hee! Ha!!...Looks like Al Davis is vindicated yet again...

NO Josh you can't bring your "Peep-Site" cameraman into my Nation!!!...NO Candid-Cams Allowed!!!...

Hee! Hah!!!....

Now let me get this straight...Josh shows up for the interview -w- his "Camera-Jockey" -n- talks about how he has it all figured out so some damn dumb lame ass "MuleHead" says "Gallop-n-Go"....

Oh! Ya!...Now why wouldn't Al Davis play that game...Sheeeech!!...Can you imagine the penalty if that was the Raiders...That's why!!!....

Meanwhile back in the "MuleValley" they be in the "DungHeap" of the "AFCW" while we be fighting for a "PO" spot..."AFCW" Champs....Ya!...Guess Al was totally wrong on that one too...

PantyRaider...I Just Luv All The "Told-Ya-So"s This Season!!!/_

3:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

Ah!...Back off from that "CrackPipe"...

You were posting as to future considerations and so was I...Now you want to do a role reversal and try to cross-applying it in retrospect as if that was the original consideration at the time...

NO....NOT ALLOWED!!!....YellowFlag...

Penalty...Unreasonable Presentation Of Arguments!!!...Go back 5 posts...

PantyRaider....Now Try That One Again...By The Way....It's 4th Dn!!!/_

3:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Brandon Marshall 58/693yds 11.9yd ave

Davone Bess "WR" 5'10" 190#s
49/489yds 10yd ave 3 "TD"s

Brian Hartline 39/540yds 13.8yd ave

Hess has never gained more than 758yds but is made out to be the huge threat this week while their #1 "WR" is out and prolley also their #2 "QB"...Tyler Thigpen will most likely start...

Last week Hess had 1/9yds...
4/29yds the week prior -w- their #2 "QB" but Marshall was out...

So in retrospect without Marshall drawing the attention he is a non-issue at "WR" -n- the slot receiver when Marshal is healthy...

Much the same type as a Ford/Miller....

PantyRaider....But Oh! My!...We Need Fear The "UDFA"!!!/_

4:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

10 Bodiford, Shaun WR 5-11 185 4yr vet

I'm sure there are others who we signed and were subsequently cut if I cared to spend the time to look...But really what merit does this whole line of thought present...

PantyRaider...NON....Just Empty Headed Fruition!!!/_

4:13 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

NONE....

4:14 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Gary, I never said QB wasn't a problem. I just don't think two wrongs make a right. Seems like you want to throw stardust on the WRs and only address the QB situation.
>>>>


I've seen enough glimpses of greatness from our young WRs to think we should be developing them, is all.

Not sure how whining about them, or whining that a veteran WR should have been brought in (taking snaps away from the young guys) is accomplishing anything.

>>>
The reality is, it should be far easier to address the WR issue and hope that the three QBs we have can be a stopgap until a viable long-term solution is uncovered.
>>>>

Well... unless you can convince me that none of our WRs have a chance of developing into premier WRs, I don't see your point.

I am firmly convinced Campbell will never be a premier QB... EVER.

I am also pretty sure Grads won't either.

I can't say the same for Murphy, Ford, DHB, or Schillens. Why do you disagree? Maybe we can go from there...

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardless of who you think should start today or will start today, the handling of the starting QB has been poor. I have no interest in arguing over whose fault it is; bottom line is that it is poor management and furthers the stereotype of how the organization operates.

Blue Monday

5:11 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Dolphins are right behind the Raiders in sacks (29 vs 26) and can bring the pass rush.

However, unlike the Raiders, who spread around the wealth, the Dolphins have one player that put them over the top. Cameron Wake has 9.5 sacks. If the Raiders can find a way to neutralize this guy, they may be able to keep the pressure off their QB, who ever it is.

I believe the Raiders D can hold their own today (assuming they will dial up a blitz now and then). Question is, which Raiders offense shows up; the good, the bad or the ugly?

It's Gameday!

GO RAIDERS!!

5:55 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Looking ahead a bit... most people I see have already written Indy off as a sure loss unless they already have the playoffs clinched (kinda unlikely)... if you look at it though, I think Manning HATES playing the Raiders. We nearly beat them a few years ago with JaMoney, and he said afterwords how different it is playing the Raiders because he never plays against any M2M defense teams. We also had a win against him several years ago...

With Manning struggling, Indy is a VERY mediocre team.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

...Indy is also 30th vs the run.

9:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

Our "DL" should have a field day with the "Fish" being gutted along their "OL"...Lost both "OT"s -n- Rookie "C" is lame...That's why they can't keep a "QB" standing and down to #3...If Thigpen plays I would not try to knock him out because the #2 may be forced to play and could be a threat...Now their #1 "WR" is out too...Their running game is weak as a result of the dessication of the "OL"...

PantyRaider...Our "D" had better smell blood this week!!!/_

10:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlueMonday...

Do you understand the meaning of "Cone-of-Silence"...Are you familiar with what that is...

If you were it should be very apparent that the only ones who were left in the dark were those damn stupid "Mediot"s who couldn't get a straight answer...There is NO indication what so ever that any confrontations exist under that "Cone"...Just the void of exposure seeping out which is exactly as it should be...

PantyRaider...The "Mediot"s -n- Their Fans Are The Only Ones Crying!!!/_

10:29 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

WoW!...The "Fish" are desperate...

"OT" Jake Long needs surgery on his shoulder and can't raise or use his arm but will play...

Vernon Carey their other injured "OT" was lame due to a serious knee injury...Hard to believe it's OK now...

"C" Joe Berger should be out with his knee but maybe not...

It will be interesting to see how long these guys can hold up...They are risking long term disability if our "DL" does a "SmackDown" on their asses...

I don't see word yet who they will play at "QB"...Chad Henne their #2 was down with a bad knee...

PantyRaider...Come'on "SmackDown"!!!!/_

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clearly I am not familiar with the concept of the cone of silence then. Does this cone require silence from all or just a few or just one? Who are those in the cone as some form of information has seeped out of this "cone." Appears to me the coach was not silent earlier in the week.

My statement is my take of how the organization operates. Again, I could care less about who starts and while I am not partial to the media in general, the fact that these issues come up to speaks to something. I am defining what I see as an organizational flaw. They have mishandled this issue and have a history of doing so. If you disagree, fine. And if you disregard what that sentiment is, and you think the media is full of idiots, than it should not bother you what the media ever says nor the sentiment that follows as your disregard should be consistent.

Blue Monday

10:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlueMonday...

The "Mediot"s by definition are "Media-Idiots"...

Now they do have a legitimate job which is to simply report what they actually see...Are told...But instead they all want to make a name for themselves so they drag everything down with their ridicules speculations/satire/editorials or whatever name they want to call it this morning...That's where their "Idiocy" becomes apparent...

Than too they band together with their childish pursuits and strike out at the people whom they were hired to cover...

In this case it's Al Davis -n- his Raiders simply because they don't get what they want when they want it...The "Cone-of-Silence" is in their way and they continually try to demolish it...Even to the extent of pimping the NFL to tear it down like this year...

But alas all their foolish childish attempts just continue to fail...So they "CRY" in their anti-love letters to you and other readers...

It is what it is..Just more split water on their "Trail-0-Tears"...

As regards the speaking that didn't happen...A "Mediot" used a little discriminate analysis and noted that "Ski" was getting the majority of the snaps in practice...Thus he speculated a change would take place and "Ski" would start...Another unimaginative "Mediot" picked up on what he wrote and reported the same with a slightly different twist as though he had the inside scoop...Than as it turns out the original "Mediot" made a good guess so they make it appear that they broke threw that "Cone-of-Silence"...But that never happened...The info simply came out in Al's due time as should be...

So meanwhile back at sea the "Gutted Fish" have not as yet proclaimed who will start at "QB" for them but I have yet to see one damn bit of animosity for that one...

PantyRaider....Go Figure...I'm Lookin But Don't See It Yet!!!/_

PS...Don't take it personal...I'm just having fun bashin "Mediot"s -n- their lovers...On this board that's been a huge issue...Their lovers are many and they try to defend their damn dumb asses even at the expense of the Raiders...Mr Davis -n- his organization....

Go Figure...There are more "HateTripper"s in the ranks of the Raider Nation now a days than in the opposing fan base...Now that is a role reversal of total stupidity...Thus...They are coined as their "Lovers"....

"Mediot"s Lovers that is...In bed together...

11:31 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well here is a surprise...Sorta!!...

With all the "QB" deaths of late yet NO "JePurple" in site...

Miami/Tenn/Wash/Det just to name a few...Their seasons are over by all appearances...Meanwhile we are almost void of talent here too...Not just due to injury but "BrainDead" at birth....Watching "JustCrap" puts me in mind of a "StillBorn" to be sure....

So here's an idea that's bound to get a rise:

In the off-season...Send an envoy to "JePurple Palace" where that overgrown fur coat is prolley still alive...See if that big dumb bastard has learned a lesson and is willing to come back in and start paying back all that $$$$ he stole....

Simply because I pimped him once and could again....And...Regardless of his immaturity he still had the most raw physical talent of anyone on our roster over the past several seasons...

PantyRaider...An Arm Is A Terrible Thing To Waste!!!!/_

12:18 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New gameday thread is up.

1:10 PM  

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