Thursday, November 11, 2010

A Love Letter to DMac

Thanks to the NFL Network, I was able to watch the abbreviated broadcast of Sunday's victory.

While at the game, I saw Darren McFadden running over the Chiefs, but sometimes from a distance.

Only on the television, with the multiple angles and close-up shots, was I truly able to behold the magnificence of his performance.


This isn't about statistics. His stats were solid on Sunday, but nothing spectacular. This is about attitude and ferocity, which he suddenly has in spades.


Perhaps his most impressive play was one that was overlooked by the broadcasters, and it was a play on which he was the defender.
Before the end of the half, Campbell missed on a throw to Higgins, and the ball was intercepted by Jon McGraw, who started ripping off yards in our direction.

Then, suddenly, McFadden came flying across the field and literally ran squarely
through and over a blocker and blasted McGraw out of bounds. It was a thing of beauty.

So to Darren McFadden and all of the other Raiders who were blasting the Chiefs on Sunday with tough, physical play, I send this love letter. Thank you for restoring the toughness to the Silver and Black. Keep up the great work.

236 Comments:

Blogger PantyRaider said...

Very Nice!!!...

10:26 AM  
Blogger manufactured said...

Re: DMC flying through that blocker and into the ball carrier - Yes! That play stood out to me as well.

My god he brought the pain all day.

Raiders!

10:35 AM  
Blogger H said...

I like it.

I also like the new "Just Cut it Loose." Motto.

It reminds me of John Madden's one rule, "Show up on time and play like hell on Sunday."

H

11:06 AM  
Blogger H said...

Great Q and A from Cable:

Q: What did it take for the players to buy into your philosophy?

Cable: Well, obviously, results. Results are always the exclamation point. But the real truth of it is, is you got to more stubborn as a coach than the problem, if that makes sense. We’ve never ducked trying to change the attitude, trying to change the environment in the locker room and that sort of thing. We’ve never dodged that. We’ve dealt with it. We’ve talked about it. We’ve learned to communicate, learned to trust each other. You have to do those things. You have to work at those things. They just don’t happen. Knowing what the problem is, you have to be willing to stand up to the problem. If you’re bigger than the problem, then you can make it happen. If you’re not, the problem wins. So, I feel like, as a coaching staff and as a football team, together, that we’ve become bigger than what our negatives are, and that’s why we’re succeeding.

“You have to be more stubborn than the problem” – “Just cut it loose”. Cable is becoming quite the football philosopher.

But, he still says they have a ways to go. And, I agree with him.

H

11:48 AM  
Blogger H said...

OK, I’m getting tired of this crap:

Headline from USA Today:

“Raiders coach Tom Cable says QB call is his; plans to stick with Jason Campbell”

Then they went on to quote Cable from Monday, saying it was Wednesday. I read the transcript from Wednesday, the quote they put in there was not in the transcript and they neglected to put in there that he said he would make a definitive decision “ON MONDAY”. He has not made a final decision. He may be leaning toward Campbell, but he will decide next Monday.

He also said Wednesday was the first day Gradkowski has really thrown deep since the injury.

Is reading comprehension not a requirement for journalism school?

H

12:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now Now "H" you know you can't post that Cable is coaching this improvement when we all know that Al Davis has his fingers in everything...

Hum!!!...I wonder how they will spin that one...If it's Al's doing than they have to give him too much of the credit...SOOOooo!!..

Scrap That Thought....It's a rebellion and the coaches have taken over the team and the "OldMan" in his walker ain't powerful enough to stop them...

Hum!!!...But than there is the problem of getting paid...Who would sign their checks...

I Know!!!...They hold him captive and force his hand to sign while under the influence of "Sleeping Dope"!!!....

But Ah!...Who would attend the owners meetings???...

I Know! I Know!...Plastic surgery can work wonders to they got's a look alike to go under the knife...

WoW!!...What a master plan and it's all working so well....

GOOOooo Coaches!!!!...

PantyRaider...How The Spin Changes!!!/_

12:03 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider is going to love this, but I am now intrigued by Michael Vick (after saying "no way" on him earlier).

If he keeps behaving well and playing like this, I have to say he's worth a look when he becomes a free agent.

His highlights from Sunday were just astonishing.

Unless Campbell really steps it up, I'm just not convinced we currently have someone at QB who's going to take us to and keep us at the elite level.

The question is, then, who will? Do we want to draft a QB high again and wait for him to develop? Or do you look at free agency?

And if you do, there's Vick at the head of the class.

Maybe I've just gone temporarily insane. It happens.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Raiders#Juan said...

People are starting to take note that McFadden is no joke. He's really starting to lay some serious thump.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=mw2yZO_UteMgD1sWqKGUIT97nq_1Olvx

12:30 PM  
Blogger H said...

Take,

Insanity runs in the family. Just look at Hendircks.

But, if Vick is now a team first guy, and he has had his "Come to Jesus" meeting and means it. Then he has paid his debt to society and should get his shot.

I'm just not convenced at this point. I need a little more convencing.

H

12:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

I would love it...Besides I could invite him over for some Bar-B-Que Mutt with my family...

Dogie on a skew it's quite tasty too....

But ya gotta Chew -n- sip a Brew...

It's quite stringy all the way Threw...

Don't make a big Ta-Do no crying from You...

It's our Bar-B-Que!!!...

PantyRaider...Let The Pimping Begin!!!/_

1:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Cable knows him from coaching with the Falcons so maybe it's possible...But will they just release him or put the franchise tag in place so they get something out of it...

We don't have a 1st to go after a "QB" very high and we maybe still need help on the "OL" or at "WR"...But I would put "QB" as the #1 need if we are good enough on the "OL" and at "WR" when the season ends....If we have our players back healthy...Besides with the way we are finding talent in the mid rounds the "OL" -n- "WR" needs could be addressed later...

This roster is almost tailor made for him at "QB" with all the running speed and "WR" speed and creative play calling using the "WildCat" -n- "WildHog"....Reverses -n- Options...

PantyRaider....Prolley!!!/_

1:27 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Saw that McFadden play and commented on it to my Raider friends. Nobody seemed to appreciate it the way I did, i.e, until now (thanks!).

Cleary, McFadden can play both sides of the ball... and probably all three phases with comparable success.

1:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

McFadden's physicality this season with finishing off runs has been awesome.

I also like the play where he crashed into McGraw near the goal line.

5:18 PM  
Blogger x said...

Yeah, he nailed McGraw twice. He's probably not looking forward to the rematch.

It's just amazing to me how much he's changed this year. Not only is he running much harder, he has consistently been making the first guy miss.

I wonder how much Michael Johnson's Performance Center has played a part in his improvement?
http://goo.gl/WAGok

8:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's a close-up of Cable on the sideline during the Chiefs game. Kind of interesting... with a feel good ending. He gets into it with a couple officials, and it's his call to kick the game winner in overtime instead of running another play.

http://tinyurl.com/2dykp5b

4:43 AM  
Blogger H said...

The announcers talked about McFadden this season. John Lynch, a few games ago, said he liked playing against the guy his first year in the league because he was an easy tackle. But, now he is running a little lower, taking the DB’s on by lowering his shoulder and finishing. Last Sunday it was said he was leading the league in average yards after contact.

The new running style should keep him healthier. He’s taking fewer shots to the lower half of his body. Kelly Skipper has done a very good job with him.

Also, the last three games he has been running behind Robert “Night” Gallery and Vlad the Impaler. Word on the street (some NFC team’s scout) is Vlad is currently outplaying most of the OT’s taken before him including the first rounders. He makes solid in game adjustments when he gets beat. That’s good coaching and him listening.

Bush, when he goes in, is also having good success.

I usually don’t watch the Sunday Night game. I’m old and I have to get up at 5:30. But I just might look at it to see how the Squealers are doing.

H

4:45 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

Awesome video. Next time you watch “America’s Game – 1976” look at Madden on the sideline working on the officials. And, he was right. Down by contact is not supposed to be overruled. Remember Stevie Brown’s TD. He was never touched, but he was ruled down by contact and it could not be challenged or overturned. That was a guy in charge of the team. You can’t fake that stuff.

Also, Cable has that same incredible three inch vertical that Madden had.

The next thing, with all the Al is making all the calls stuff, is will he have his “Well, my name is John” moment.

Going for the field goal that quick caught Haley by surprise and he couldn’t time his timeout call just before the snap, which brings up a question. I don’t recall. The Chefs had one more timeout when Ford caught the pass at the end of regulation, did they use it? I’ll have to go back and review the film.

H

6:55 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Interesting article about the blueprint on how to beat the Steelers:

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=1905

Basically, pass and keep passing (they brought up Gannons 64 pass game vs them).

Hope we get the "Good Jason" for that game... and REALLY glad we don't have St. Gruden coaching that game.

There's no way in hell he'd ever stop running vs them...

8:46 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

A far cry from the stoical Art Shell. Cable appears on the sideline to be doing the things you would expect a head coach to do. What a concept!

9:00 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Eagles hope to keep Vick 'next season and beyond'

The Philadelphia Eagles would like to retain resurgent quarterback Michael Vick for "next season and beyond," but have not engaged in contract talks, according to the The Philadelphia Inquirer, citing sources close to the situation.

The team plans to meet over the next few weeks to discuss Vick's future and a potential contract extension.

PantyRaider....Just Say NO Baby!!!/_

9:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

The spread offense is the Dick LeBeau 3-4 defense’s Kryptonite.

Very interesting...Let's see if it works Sunday Night and copy what does...Cable said he is working all week in prep for that game so he will no doubt be watching what works for "NE"...

Do we have 5 healthy "WR"s to throw at them...

Zack -w- Chaz/Murphy/"DHB"/Ford -w- a strong dose of "D-Mac"/Reece also playing the receiver role...This could be some fun shit to watch if they "Cut It Loose"....

PantyRaider...The Excitement Is Building!!!/_

9:26 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I watched it again. There wasn't a clipboard in sight.

How anyone can look at that video and still think Cable is not in charge on the field has got to be consuming purple drank with Jamarcus.

I really liked those last two plays. Get the ball in the middle. Field goal on second down. Win the game now!

There may be something to the passing strategy on the Squealers. In there two losses this season the winning team has 124, and 119 yards more passing than did Pitt. They also slowed down the running game and make Worthlessburger win the game.

And, keep up the pressure on him. He's not as mobile as Cassel and we got him three times and made him run for his life a good part of the game.

Pitt also lost their starting LT for the season.

H

9:59 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I think that perhaps the best thing to happen to Cable and the team is Hue Jackson. It's not just a matter of improved game planning an play calling, but Cable looks more liberated to manage the big picture and set the motivational tone.

11:24 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Good observation...I have to agree...Hue was the right man for the job...

"H"...

True very true but the unwilling to accept the truth group will continue to view everything with slanted vision....

Al did it all until it's time to give credit for the good that has surfaced than it's avoidance/denial at all costs as they never see the simplest reality...The coaches coach and the ownership gives them the toys to play with...Simple as that...Just as it has always been until the coaches prove they can't handle a situation at which time adjustments are made...

Cable proved he couldn't handle the play-calling and the coaching at the same time...Hue was the solution and the team moves on...Why that would be so difficult to understand is anyone's guess...

PantyRaider...ThankYou Mr Davis!!!/_

11:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Here is a simple situation to consider:

We all know Al Davis has an infatuation with finding that new young up-n-coming "HC" who others maybe don't see on the horizon to lead his football team into the future -n- "PO"s...

Now just ask a simple question..."WHY"..

#1...So he can run the young man into the ground by not letting him have an opportunity to coach and by depriving him of the necessary tools to get the job done????

Or-

#2...To ignite the type of fire that Al once ignited in this team to bring back the "Greatness 0f the Raiders" that Al always preaches about...

Now you decide which one makes sense...Do you really believe the man searches for that talented young coach just to refuse to allow him to do his job...Really!!!...If so how the hell do you justify that predetermination...

PantyRaider...I'm Dieing To Understand That One!!!/_

Absolutely the dumbest line of reasoning on the planet!!!...

12:00 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>

Do we have 5 healthy "WR"s to throw at them...

Zack -w- Chaz/Murphy/"DHB"/Ford -w- a strong dose of "D-Mac"/Reece also playing the receiver role...This could be some fun shit to watch if they "Cut It Loose"....
>>>>


I was thinking the same thing... especially if Chaz isn't ready.

Hopefully we will see more of McF as WR than out of the backfield... one thing about a healthy Paulamala (sp?) he's one of the few SS's in the league that can close on McF around the end. We will see what we have in an OC a week from Sunday.

If Jackson tries to play straight up vs Pitts, it will be a long day.

3:24 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

4 WR set, Ford and N. Miller in the slots, twin-split backfield with Campbell in shotgun formation

6 capable receivers with multiple options to spread the Blitzburg D out and create space and throwing lanes for Campbell.

What do you think?

4:50 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Murphy-Ford C N.Miller-DHB

Bush - McFadden

4:51 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Calico Jack said...

4 WR set, Ford and N. Miller in the slots, twin-split backfield with Campbell in shotgun formation

6 capable receivers with multiple options to spread the Blitzburg D out and create space and throwing lanes for Campbell.

What do you think?
>>>>


I LOVE it...

5:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

The funniest thing is that now we seem to have the capable "WR"s to play it...Non may be the stand-out #1 Top-Tear "WR" but serviceable non the less with the "RB"/"FB" -n- "TE" in the mix...

Maybe there was a master plan after all...

PantyRaider...And Their Still Young -n- Developing!!!/_

Thanks Hue for working them into the mix!!!...

5:24 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Non may be the stand-out #1 Top-Tear "WR" but serviceable non the less with the "RB"/"FB" -n- "TE" in the mix...

Maybe there was a master plan after
>>>>

We had a HOF WR for a decade in Tim Brown and we were horrible throughout most of it... yes, I think the master plan wasn't for DHB (or any other of our WRs) to be the king pin of our offense.

I think the idea was to have CHaz/DHB/Murphy/Miller/McF/Bush (and now Ford thrown in as a wildcard) to all share the load.

Considering this entire collection haven't been available together yet, and we are still just one game from having the most wins in the NFL makes me think the plan wasn't so bad.

Especially since they all might finish the season together, barring no further injuries.

7:46 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Criticisms of Al I accept...

...quote...


But not everyone can admit when they’re wrong. Once again, Al Davis is making proclamations from on high, and apparently he doesn’t watch the games as closely as we do because he thinks Campbell has earned the starting role. Yeah, Campbell made a few nice throws down the stretch, but the guy was lucky not to have two more picks at key times, relied on Ford making superhero catches to bail him out, and allowed the offense to stagnate for long stretches. Even in the Bronco and Seahawk games, when Campbell’s numbers were pretty, he showed that annoying inability to get rid of the ball, to think on his feet, and to play with some URGENCY.

This team is winning because it’s playing like a team, and they all showed a lot of faith in their coaches – who came across as incompetent early in the season – to fight to this point. The owner undermining the head coach on a personnel decision as critical as the starting QB shakes that foundation of trust. It’s a dangerous game, and it may blow up everything this team has earned before it even gets anywhere.

The rest of the schedule is very tough, and it will still be a war to make the playoffs. Hopefully our owner’s ego will not – once again – supersede his most celebrated motto.

Zach Bulthuis (Raider Law)

...end quote...

http://tinyurl.com/2butj3f


To simply place Campbell as our QB without earning it would be a travesty.

I think Campbell deserves to keep playing as long as he keeps winning... but his struggles are VERY apparent.

Gradkowski deserves an opportunity to win his job back if the struggles continue and the Raiders start losing again.

8:00 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Campbell has played a significant part in the Raiders winning 4 of their last 5 games.

In the Chargers game, he took over at halftime. With the Raiders down 24-15, he led the team on a 97 yard TD drive that put us back into the game.

In the Broncos and Seahawks game he did a very fine job managing the game and making key throws. (4 TD passes, 0 INTs).

In the Niners game, he (and the entire team as a whole) laid a collective egg.

In the Chiefs game there is no question that he struggled and played poorly in the first half. In the 2nd half he played much better with the aid of some great plays by Ford.

I'm inclined to keep rollin' with Campbell. If he struggles and the team needs an instant spark, bring Ski in relief. If he struggles for big stretches, then consider replacing him with Ski.

If ever there was a game where Campbell will truly need to "cut it loose" it is the Pitt. game. If he holds the ball too long or is indecisive, he will be swallowed up.

9:18 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ" -n- Gary...

You both have points that I agree with but also disagree to a point...

In the "KC" game "JC" made several mistakes even in the 2nd half...He threw directly to a "DB" with hands of stone and again to the "DB" who had the INT until Ford's spectacular play turned it into a gain for us...On another long gain Ford slowed and manured into position to catch a very poorly -n- under-thrown ball...Fortunately their "DB"s were not looking back or that one could have been a disaster had they made the same play on the ball...The "O" accounted for only 7 points while "ST"s scored 16pts which is why we won that game...

So yes we are winning but not at the strength of the play at "QB" which is definitely of concern but not as much of a concern as that article tried to make out...As noted by "CJ" in other game "JC"s play was instrumental in those "V"s...

As for the "SF" game it was not a total team losing effort in my perception...The run was working for over 100yds and so were the "TE" -n- "DHB" who tallied 5 receptions but "JC" failed miserably to get them the ball consistently....8/21 83yds -n- 2 INT's was totally on the "QB" -n- the "OL" failures...

The "D" played very well until late when they were gassed and began giving up the big plays...

I have to put that loss squarely upon "JC" at "QB" and the coaches for not making a change either in game-plan or at "QB"...That and the "OL" who crumbled to put it lightly...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010101710/2010/REG6/raiders@49ers/analyze#analyze

PantyRaider...Which "JC" Plays @ Pitts Is A Major Concern!!!/_

10:26 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Campbell's so hot and cold he can go from a single-digit QB rating to a triple-digit rating in a half. I'm no Dr. but I believe narcolepsy may play a role in his streakiness.

The Steelers will bring lots of pressure, and the Raiders are going to want to max protect. The only way a spread offense has a chance to work is if the QB gets rid of the ball fast... a quality I attribute more to Ski than Campbell.

If Campbell plays another first half like he did against KC, the instinct will be to leave him in hoping he plays another second half like he did against KC. IMO, that may only be wishful thinking.

This is very unconventional, but I would rotate the QBs in the first half and stick with the hot hand. I understand there are many cons against doing that, but I believe both these guys can help the Raiders win games... and that's how I'd sell it to the QBs and to the team.

Either way, I hope Jackson can find some new twist and/or misdirection to keep the D off-balance. The Steelers are not a team the Raiders should try and go toe-toe-to with on offense (vs their D). Meaning, running the ball up the middle and passing off 5-7 step drops seems like a recipe for failure.

The Steelers prevent 100-yard rushers as frequently as the Raiders used to give up 100-yard rushers.

5:28 AM  
Blogger Doobie said...

RT, re: Michael Vick, I've always said that one of the great things about being a Raider fan is that we don't have to put up a phony, pretentious image of not wanting immoral characters on our team. In fact, we're expected to embrace them.

As sports fans, we're hypocrites by nature. We'll mock another team's steroid-using slugger but will pretend that allegations against the one on our team are false or overblown. And when that other team's slugger becomes available in free agency,we certainly will want him to join our team.

I've always said it was only a matter of time before all the self-righteous folks here in the Philly area (I live in central NJ which is mostly Eagles country) started to warm up to Vick after they initially protested him. It's amazing how all those negative characteristics tend to get overlooked once you start winning. Nowadays, I don't hear those "dog killer" complaints like I used to.

That's why it's good to be a Raiders fan...the honesty is refreshing.

So when's Plaxico get out of jail?

7:42 AM  
Blogger Doobie said...

...and of course, all of that is said with the understanding that the "immoral" character in question isn't a detriment to the team. I'm looking at you, Mr. Moss.

7:45 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Good points, Doobie.

I wasn't buying Vick before the season, and I still think he's a character risk.

What's changed for me is that his performance has recalibrated the balance of that risk, and is on the verge of outweighing it.

I'm a believer in grace and redemption--as long as the redemption is authentic. Is that what we have here? I hope so, for his sake.

It's worth noting that the crazies and lawbreakers of the Raiders past, as far as I know, never sunk to the depths that Vick did. That said, Doobie makes a good point--the Raiders do have a redemptive history where players come to get a second chance and make the most of it.

The crazies and lawbreakers of the Raiders past also had a few things in common--they always showed up on game day, they elevated the play of their teammates and they fostered, rather than hindered, team chemistry.

Randy Moss failed us on all three fronts.

Vick, however, seems to be doing all of those things in Philly, and if he keeps it up, I think he's worth a hard look.

8:08 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

One thing I've noticed about JC is that if he is in one of his famous funks, if they roll him out he seems to make things happen. I have only watched him play with the Raiders, but there are QBs like that... more accurate while on the move.

I remember cringing anytime Grbak was rolling out vs us...

So thus far we have seen JC play pretty outstanding in two blowouts with the running attack pretty much running at will... and one half coming off the bench. Everything else he's been horrible more often than not.

Thats actually pretty pathetic if you think about it...

But, he has won 3 straight games... just as well keep playing him until he losses. Tenn rode a winning streak like that with Scary Collins to the playoffs a few years back.

9:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

I think you role with him but I also like what "NYR" suggested...(Was that a misprint)....

"Intermittent substitution" during the half and see who has the hot hand...

Let's face it in practice that's exactly what we have as the "QB"s share the snaps with the 1st team so why not in the game also...The team is used to it but the "D"s are not so consequently it may be very disruptive for them preparing for the 2 contrasting styles and making adjustment for the 2nd half...

Than you can have "JC" plays with controlled "Roll-Out"s -n- "Ski" plays with his usual Ab-lib abilities...Than add in the "WildCat" and some other wrinkles...That's gotta drive a "DC" absolutely nuts...


Doobie...

I'm of the sort that leaves all the "Pretty Boy" images on the sidelines and loves the viciousness of the attack...The more aggressive the better...So having a "QB" who would spike your dog is not adversity in my book...After all...My family and I would eat him...Quite tasty too...

So just like "Roids"...I pimped him...But Now I'm glad it was the Bills who bit because he no longer wants to play...Injured in his 1st practice and sidelined for an indefinite period...What the hell is that!!!...

Our nasty bastards of the past just loved to take your head off...Now their just pussy sucks that don't want to play...Lot's has changed...

PantyRaider...2 Headed Monster @ "QB"!!!/_

12:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Trickery Cable should love:

I would play up the contest between "JC"-n-"SKI" as loaded with animosity all week...Play them in substitution with some antics on the sidelines so it gets pictured in the stadium...

Than on 3rd-n-short I would send one out to the field but the other runs out before he gets there...Fight breaks out between them and Cable calls them both back to the sidelines...During all the confusion a player sneaks out with a fresh mouthpiece for another player so we now have our 11th man...

The clock is ticking down so the "C" goes to the ball hollering at the "QB"s to play ball...Some players walk up to the line but the rest are standing around the sidelines noting whats taking place off the field...

"WildHog"...The "C" snaps the ball to "D-Mac" who now has the option to run or pass deepening upon what he sees...If the "D" bites on the "BS" disorganization we will score...At least we should make the 1st dn...

PantyRaider...Can I Get That In Madden "11"!!!!/_

12:26 PM  
Blogger Doobie said...

Wow, I haven't heard Elvis Grbac's name mentioned in years. He's half of the answer to the trivia question of "what two fairly famous QBs in the nineties replaced SB-winning QB Trent Dilfer in Baltimore for the 2001 season, and then retired afterward?" (Randall Cunningham was the other one)

Thinking about this nearly ten years later, I don't recall Grbac or Cunningham EVER having played for the Ravens (and perhaps 9/11 is fogging much of my non-Raiders memories of that season).

6:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"MuleHead"s are up 28-0 early in the 2nd Quarter...If this keeps up we are tied for 1st in the AFCW and lead by virtue of our "V" over "KC"...

Ya! Hoooo!...Were moving into contention during the bye!!!...

PantyRaider...1st Place Raiders!!!/_

2:07 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

After today ...

Oak 5-4, 3-0 division
KC 5-4, 1-2 division
SD 4-5, 0-2 division
Den 3-6, 1-1 division

3:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"KC" is stumbling out of the bye...2-n-4...

"SD" won 2 in a row before the bye after dropping 3 in a row and are now one game behind but appear hot...

Denver is 2 games behind but hot coming out of the bye...

The Raiders need to come out of the bye hot and keep the momentum going...

We play Pitts who are stumbling of late...3-n-1 out of the bye but should have been 2-n-2 losing to Miami...They will prolley lose tonight...

Denver at "SD"...

"KC" gets "AZ"...

Interesting scheduling so anything is possible...

PantyRaider...Still projecting 10-n-6 To Take AFCW!!!/_

3:35 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

The AFCW is officially a shootout... the way I see it is:

1. KC has a chance with the easiest remaining schedule.

2. SD is the favorite based solely on Rivers having a MVP season.

3. Denver could get on a roll with this blowout but is looking just to stay out of last place.

4. Oakland might have the best overall team, but the worst QB... perhaps by far. Consistent QB struggles could KILL this team with a tough schedule remaining.

Should be a fun remaining season!

3:46 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Can The Raider go 5-n-2 out of the bye to make 10-n-6

Pitt/Mia/SD/Jac/Den/Ind/KC...

"SD" at 4-n-5 will have it tough getting to 10-n-6...2 losses kills them....

Den/Ind/Oak/KC/SF/Cin/Den...

One loss kills Denver...

SD/StL/KC/Az/Oak/Hou/SD...

"KC" can't lose more than 2...

Az/Sea/Den/SD/StL/Ten/Oak...

That game in the cold of "KC" at the end of the season could very well decides it all while "SD" plays Denver...Unless we have the best AFCW record...

Is 4 teams at 10-n-6 or 9-n-7 a possibility???

PantyRaider....Lot's On The Line Again This Week!!!/_

4:12 PM  
Blogger H said...

Well,it's November 14th and if the playoffs started today, we are in.

I don't recall if we could say that on November 14, 2002.

Well, I looked and the answer is no. KC was 6-3.

H

4:55 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

-JaMoney might end up with Miami with their losing their top two QBs.

-NE is running the "blueprint" pretty well vs Pitts. Hopefully Cable/Jackson taking notes.

6:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It has been said the old ways no longer work in the NFL and that it is now a passing league...I argued against that saying it's what ever works at the time which depends on what "OC"s go after....Now compare these stats which substantiate my claim completely...

Top Rush "O"s -vs- Records...

1. Kansas City Chiefs....5-n-4
2. Oakland Raiders.......5-n-4
4. New York Jets.........7-n-2
3. New York Giants.......6-n-3
5. Philadelphia Eagles...5-n-3
7. Jacksonville Jaguars..5-n-4
6. Houston Texans........4-n-5
8. Atlanta Falcons.......7-n-2
10 Tennessee Titans......5-n-4
9. Minnesota Vikings.....3-n-6

52-n-37...58.4% "V"s...

Top Pass "O"s -vs- Records...

1. San Diego Chargers...4-n-5
3. Denver Broncos.......3-n-6
2. Indianapolis Colts...6-n-3
4. Dallas Cowboys.......2-n-7
5. New Orleans Saints...6-n-3
7. New York Giants......6-n-3
8. Detroit Lions........2-n-7
6. Cincinnati Bengals...2-n-7
9. Green Bay Packers....6-n-3
10. Houston Texans.......4-n-5

41-n-49....45.5% "V"s...

Still need a balance -n- "D" adds to the equation but to say running is no longer important is a ridicules assumption to say the least...

PantyRaider.....The More Things Change The More They Remain The Same!!!!/_

8:39 PM  
Blogger H said...

Now comes the true test.

Can this team handle success and run from the front. If they can we won't be lamenting a missed field goal come January.

H

6:22 AM  
Blogger H said...

Interesting, some of the odds makers have not set a line for the Squealers game yet.

H

7:58 AM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

Atop the AFC West!

One quick comment on the Cable\QB articles. It reminds of that clip NFL network runs in EVERY special involving Madden. A reporter asks him a question, calling him Al. Madden looks up and says, "My name is John".

Some things never change.

Go Raiders!

8:13 AM  
Blogger H said...

Pope,

Check out my 6:55 AM post. Great minds think alike.

H

8:17 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I don't see next week as a "must win" at all... Pitts makes some nasty matchup problems because we are a run first team, that often has QB problems. As the 'blueprint" showed last night, the way to beat Pitts is a hot QB throwing the ball all over the field with a few runs mixed in. I honestly don't think Campbell is capable of this, and worse yet he doesn't WANT to do this... the Den and Sea games are more his wheelhouse... handing the ball off and making some plays when he has to. If we win vs Pitts it will be pretty remarkable, and would end all doubt if any "corner" has been turned.

The more critical game will be Miami with a pieced together QB squad. We need to be 6-5 at worst going into the "Must win" game at SD. If we are 5-6 going into SD... that becomes a scary MUST MUST MUST MUST win... Rivers alone gives SD 5 more wins... one of them can't be vs the Raiders.

8:43 AM  
Blogger H said...

It is a "must win" in the sense we can maintain momentum and build a cushion.

You are also making a statement that we are, in fact, for real.

No let up. Keep the accelerator to the floorboard.

As soon as a team starts thinking they can afford to loose, they keep losing.

H

10:10 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

FIRST PLACE!

11:45 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

boy did lane kiffin get shafted today or what?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5808642

12:13 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Ok, so we need Pitt to lose 2 in a row on their home turf.

An angry team, coming off a big loss.

This will be the Raiders toughest challenge yet.

Not sure I'd want to put this game in JC's/Wr's hands, and throw, throw, throw.

Reason Raiders are doing so well is their offensive balance.

Might be hard to run against Pitt, but we have to try. It is Raiders best bet, to mix it up, and keep their defense guessing.

1:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I'll say it again, I believe Gradkowski gives the Raiders the best chance to win this Sunday.

IMO, he will pretty much have to duplicate what he did last year (which I don't believe Campbell can do under the pressure the Steelers will bring), and hope the Raiders' defense continues to play at the high level it has been playing. We MUST get pressure on Big Ben.

The X-factor will still be McFadden, getting him the ball in open space. The Raiders are a better team with McFadden on the field.

However, if at any time the Raiders commit to the run, the game will be over (one way or another).

2:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

– Jason Campbell will start at quarterback against Pittsburgh. Bruce Gradkowski will be the backup.

“He’s earned the right to do that. Four out of the last five games are wins,” Cable said. “Bruce will be the backup and we’ll go from there.”

Translation:

"JC" must produce or get replaced as it should be...If he does well it's his position to lose...If he plays like last week he has already lost it...


Injuries:

– Tight end Zach Miller is “much, much better and should be ready to go on Wednesday,” Cable said. Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha is also much better, but still might not practice. Defensive tackle John Henderson may practice.

– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey has a sore hamstring and may not practice Wednesday. Chaz Schilens will not practice.

So now we know why Ford got some of his reps..."DHB" had a "Hami" problem...


To Rush or not to Rush:

"NE" was 24/103yds -w- 4.3yd ave...
"NE" has the #17 Rush "O"...

Raiders are the #2 Rush "O"...
It's our strength...Why wouldn't we run...

Schedule: Rushing "O"s...

Atl #8
Ten #9
TB #14
Bal #11 Loss
Clv #12
Mia #19 Should have lost
NO #25 Loss
Cin #26
NE #17 Loss

They have not faced a top 5 rush attack yet...They are #26 against the pass so most teams just throw the ball and run very little...They are now suffering injuries on the "D" so are softer...

PantyRaider...I Say Run That Damn Ball Unless They Prove We Can't!!!/_

But run out of a spread "O" so they can't crowed the line and are afraid of the "Bomb"...

3:57 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I don't think you can say the Raiders should be able to run based on NE's run stats against the Steelers. Don't forget, the Steelers had to gameplan against Tom Brady. When the Pats run the ball (against a team like the Steelers) it's like a trick play... nobody really expects it.

Against the Raiders, the Steelers can go back to their bread and butter, which is a playing the run and applying pressure to the QB.

Fast fact: Steelers have allowed just one 100-yard rusher in their last 43 games. That's not a typo! It's the better part of three seasons. That's insane!

They are the #1 ranked run defense with under 64 ypg.

Let's be realistic here. We will need to pass the ball, and/or at least demonstrate we can before we can be effective with the run.

4:37 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

We will have a difficult time running effectively against the Steelers (like the other 30 teams in the league).

However, I do think we need to find a way to run the ball to have some sort of balance though. Even if it is a 2,3,4 yard runs, it is important to run JUST so the Steelers' D doesn't peel back their ears and rush the passer.

Screens, delayed draws, misdirection, and most importantly, 3 step drops and quick hitting short timing routes where YAC comes into play will be vital. Passing on 1st down to set up manageable 2nd and 3rd downs will be crucial.

This will be a very difficult challenge. In order for us to win the game, I believe our D will need to play lights out and aggressive to create turnovers and a short field.

9:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

But we are who we are and if we try to abandon what works and become "NE" we are defeated before we take the field....

If this team is going to "Take What We Want" than now is the time to be mature enough to prove it...Not easy but we need to be us and demonstrate that we can be us against any opponent...Demonstrate that we will not be submissive and forced out of our game...Tough mentally...

Not to say there's no need to take extraordinary measures in this game...We need to be creative...We need to run our game in a spread "O" formation and we need to demonstrate that the pass is a legitimate threat...

Their "DC" knows the threats we pose..."D-Mac"-n-Reece...Zack...Ford/Murphy/"DHB"/Miller....So we need to make them defend everything at the same time...Fact is they can't if we get good play at the "QB" position and the "OL" holds their own...

Bottom line if we execute we win just based upon the strength of our Game and the toughness of our "D" that will be in "BigBen"s face all day long....

PantyRaider...It's Our Game To Lose!!!/_

9:40 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Fact is Pitts is worried about us coming to town as much as we worry about them...They are at a critical junction in their season and on the verge of a nose-dive while we are the up-n-coming young fast team looking to take their heads off...We match-up well against them and proved last season we could take them down...All of that is still fresh in their heads...

This will not be an easy game for either team...But than it could develop into a blow-out too...

PantyRaider...Ultimate Challenges...Are We Up For It!!!/_

9:49 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Pitt's O-line is toast. The Raiders won't have to blitz. The front four will bring sufficient pressure. The Raiders should be able to stop the run as well.

Also, I'll be damned if this season isn't starting to remind me of... Dare I say it? 1980.

9:59 PM  
Blogger H said...

In My No Longer Humble Stinking Opinion the X-Factor isn’t McFadden. It’s Reece.

In order to slow down the pressure on Campbell we need to give the linebackers something to think about. Reece has been outstanding in the passing game. His size gives him an advantage on the safeties and his speed and quickness gives him an advantage on the linebackers.

His blocking has improved and so has his ball carrying. And he runs well after the catch. That kind of versatility makes him someone to account for on every play. Lead block, chip the LB and take the middle screen. Motion to the weak side, receiver or blocker? Same to the strong side.

A few successful plays early with him could open things up for everyone else.

H

5:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long time stalker, occasionally rare poster her . . .

Please . . . no Michael/Mike Vick talk. Aside from him being totally wrong for this franchise (as an undisciplined football player yet supremely talented athlete), I couldn't root for him because he's an animal abuser/dog killer.

You don't just one day realize that's wrong. he just doesn't respect other life, it his character.

Now, that doesn't mean we should not look into this situation. Perhaps, with Vick's crazy playing ways this season, he signs long tern with the Iggles leaving Kolb available. A QB I'd much rather have.

ConchRepublican / Raider Pete

9:28 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

That's what I have been pimping too so here is the up-dated version...

1980 Raider Watch....Week #9

Season "80" -vs- "10" Records:

6-n-3................5-n-4
1st dns 175..............178
Yards 3145..............3249
Pass 1808................1789
Rush 1337................1360
TO's 28.................13
TO's "D" 28..............14
Differential 0........+1
Pts 231..................235
Differential +29.......+47

Schedule -n- Results....
KC "W" 27-14.........Tenn "L" 13-38
SD "L" 24-30.........StL "W" 16-14
Wash "W" 24-21.......AZ "L" 23-24
Buf "L" 7-24.........HOU "L" 24-31
KC "L" 17-31.........SD "W" 35-27
SD "W" 38-24.........SF "L" 9-17
Pits "W" 45-34......."Den "W" 59-14
Sea "W" 33-14........Sea "W" 33-3
Mia "W" 16-10........KC "W" 23-20
Cin "W" 28-17........Pit........

"QB"s...Games...
Jim Plunket....11...."JC"
Dan Pasterini..5....."Ski"
Marc Wilson....2.....Boller ?


Speculation:

Al Davis in his last days looked back at what -n- when were his favorite times as the Raiders' Boss...As he said back when that "80" -n-"84" team won the "SB"...

"This is my greatest teams ever"

Than he set out to reconstruct what he had back then...A team built upon a great run game with a "TE" -n- "RB"s leading the way in receptions -n- a "QB" that brought stability backed up by a "D" that was relentless...Than a "WR" was by the name of Brown was added later...

Is "D-Mac" our Marcus Allan...
Is Reece our Van-Eagan...
Is Zack or Todd Christensen...
Is "JC" our Jim Plunket...
Is Seymour our Howie Long...
Is "DeathRo" our Matt Millen...
Is Shane our Ray Guy...
Is Jano our Chris Barr...
Who will be our Timmy Brown...

Take a look back at those rosters -n- results...It's remarkable...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1980.htm

PantyRaider...Food For Thought!!!/_

10:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

ConchRepublican / Raider Pete

I understand your emotional connection...Kind'a...BUT..

Dare I say after what I saw last night the desire to pimp "Vick" is even stronger...But than comes the hard reality...Philly ain't about to let him get away...

He will no doubt get franchised if he won't work out a contract...We have NO 1st to give up for him and it would cost at least that to go after him now...The guy is an animal and I don't give a damn what he did to another damn animal (Dog)...I just want to win and with that abusive talent on our team we could win -n- win big....

So why would having an abusive "QB" on a Raider roster be a bad thing anyway...The "D"s would be afraid and hide their dogs...Ha! Ha!....

PantyRaider...Just Vote YES Baby...Michael "DawgMan" Vick!!!/_

10:25 AM  
Blogger H said...

Panty,

Tim Brown was drafted in '88. Do you mean Cliff Branch?

H

10:27 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

Whoops!!!...I blew that one...

The thing is threw that entire period of time from mid 70's to late 80's until Timmy came in our "TE"s -n- "RB"s led the those teams in receptions...Threw 2 "SB" victories we were NOT led by a "WR"...But now that is being pimped as the big issue because we don't have one worth a damn...Well look back and tell me it won't work again now when it is already working very damn well...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1983.htm

PantyRaider...Who Is Our Cliff Branch....
DHB"/Ford!!!/_

10:35 AM  
Blogger H said...

Panty,

Nit Pick time. In '80 our top receivers were Bob Chandler (49) and Cliff Branch (44). In '83 it was Christensen with 92. Top WR was Branch with 39.

But, I will take either year's stats for a 10-6 or 11-5 record. Neither year was mind boggling for wide receivers.

H

11:00 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

That's what has changed about the league. I believe Todd C broke an NFL record with his 92 receptions.

Today, that's a decent season's work, but certainly nothing spectacular.

11:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

That year we used "Position by Committee" at "RB"/"FB"/"TE"...If you add it up they produced 135 receptions while the "WR"s only produced a total of 99 for their group...4 "WR"s listed...

21 Cliff Branch 44/858yds
85 Bob Chandler 49/786yds
84 Derrick Ramsey 5/117yds
89 Rich Martini 1/36yds
Total 99/1797yds...17 "TD"s...

"RB"s/"FB"s/"TE"s 135/1497yds-n-6 "TD"s
Rush 541/2146yds -n- 14 "TD"s....

So "WR"s 17 "TD"s to "Committee" 20 "TD"s...1797yds to 3,643 total production...

We won on the strength of the "RB"s/"FB"/"TE"s NOT on the strength of our "WR"s same as we are doing now...

PantyRaider...Fun Stats For Comparison!!!/_

11:53 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I would disagree. 92 receptions and 1200+ yards by a tight end today would be All Pro work.

The top tight ends in the league are only on pace for a bit over 80. And, the number three guy is our own Zach Miller.

H

1:09 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

My point was 92 rec for a team's top receiver. As you point out, the Raiders top WR had only 39 catches, so I'm guessing the passes had to go somewhere else.

Clearly, the Raiders have had times in their history when their TE and RB were the top two receivers on the team. It looks like that is something that can be duplicated with the 2010 squad.

Is that the norm, or do we remain the exception in the NFL? If so, why?

1:45 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Michael Vick ?


Hey, the guy can win a game by himself,(like last night).

Or, he can blow up a team and a season by himself.

But, if he keeps playing like he is, odds are Eagles will re-sign him = moot point.

Just don't want him to wind up in DonkTown, or AFC.

2:15 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

BTW, Got a chance to watch Jets/Brownie game Sunday.


Same old crap from Rob "Cavebrain" Ryan.

Every 3rd and long, Cavebrain rushed either 3, or even just 2 linemen.

Pathetic, passive, classic Cavebrain D.

Guess his sorry ass defense was his own idea afterall.

2:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

Guess his sorry ass defense was his own idea afterall.

That was beautiful Bro...I love it...

Odds are this "D" is of "DC" Marshals' design with input from Cable -n- Al...I wouldn't expect them to be silent but still let the man coach it his way...

"SOB" continued to suck threw 4-5 "HC"s so how do you call that on any one of them...It was only so so good under Shell II but the argument here was it was "Hands Off" the "D" for the "HC"....Right!!!...

If it was Al's "D" than why was it good under Willie Shaw/Chuck Bresnihan but sucked under "SOB" for 5 seasons than good again under Marshal...Not too good of an argument to support that hype now is there...

PantyRaider...The Truth Will Eventually Shine Threw!!!/_

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk about criminals, what about rothliesberger the rapier and everyones hero bret farve the molester......that's what i thought

7:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Anno 7:33...

Farve also had his issues early on with alcohol abuse so it shouldn't be too surprising that he starts to relapse into something else as he approaches the end...It becomes increasingly difficult to maintain stability when there are such issues in your background if it wasn't ever dealt with properly...A pat on the back and and a look past the problems never helped anyone...

"Big Ben" has also had his past issues so it shouldn't surprise when things start to surface anew...Again...Just a slap on the wrist and a pat on the back is what he received...

Vick on the other hand was abused into getting it together so hopefully it's real and lasting...

Next 2 weeks...

Evidently Miami is also hurting so the next 2 games may not be as tough as they should have been...

We are 5-n-2 over the last 7 weeks...If we can finish the season with another 5-n-2 run we will be 10-n-6 and win the AFCW...That's starting to look like a real possibility...

PantyRaider...But 1st Get Past Pitts!!!/_

10:22 PM  
Blogger H said...

Raider00,

“Guess his sorry ass defense was his own idea afterall.”

Cant’ be, Al must have been patched into his headset.

NYRaider,

Now, we are not going to have a WR with 70 receptions. Primarily due to injury. Murphy was on pace to at least get close. Zach Miller was on pace for over 80, and might still get there.

But, we are obsessing over wide receiver numbers. So, I was a little bored last night and I did some research. Yes some Super Bowl winners had a high volume of catches, but that is not the norm.

Starting with 1999 with the Greatest Show on Turf through 2009 and Drew Brees the receiving numbers for the top receiver on each team were as follows:
87, 67, 101, 76, 57, 56, 69, 95, 70, 81, 79.

Most, by today’s standards, were pretty pedestrian and only two exceeded Christiansen’s total. Not all were wide receivers, but most were by a goodly margin.

The most common thread was defensive ranking. In particular, All were in the top half of the league in sacks with most in the top ten.

My greater point is, and always has been, the quickest way back to the playoffs is through defense. But, you have to have an offense that doesn’t lead the league in three and outs. The defense is currently playing lights out. Every position on the defense has been in on sacks except the corners, and that might be in the works.

Even when the Indy Ponies won in ’07 the talk was about what their defense did during the playoff run and in the Super Bowl holding Chicago to 265 yards and getting five turnovers.

One of the problems with Air Coryell in the 80’s was they HAD to outscore their opponents. In the 80 AFC Championship game they had all the offensive Pro Bowl studs. We had the way better defense with a good solid offense. Branch was a great wide receiver and should be in the HOF, but it took a lot of years to put up his career numbers.

There’s more than one way to get there.

H

5:50 AM  
Blogger H said...

One more item.

We have a multiplicity of weapons on offense. I still maintain the OL is the weakpoint and needs to be reenforced before the receivers.

H

5:57 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

H... I've made almost the exact same arguments with nearly the same stats in the past and all you still see here is "WE NEED WRs!!" ad nauseum.

Go figure...

BTW, I disagree that the OL is a WEAK point... its not very DEEP (as shown when Gallery was out) but if this OL finishes the season intact, I think it will be shown to be very good overall... especially with Veldheer improving every week. The downfield blocking on the left side is absolutely amazing at times. McFadden is going to have some record setting games before the season is over IMO. Prolly not this Sunday, but sometime.

7:03 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

If one read this forum religiously they would think we'd have three or four WRs leading the league in dropped passes... alas... not a single Raider made even the AFC list:

http://tinyurl.com/3ag2df2

How can that be??

7:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

That one is very funny...I suspected that we didn't have a "WR" who qualified with enough passes thrown their way...NOT true...The last guy on the list...

Brandon Tate NE 18/300yds -w- 4 drops and tied for 12th...

So in other words we don't have a single "WR" on our team who has dropped more than 3 passes...Maybe only 2 but can't look to see where they would be listed...Shit!!...According to what was posted here "DHB" dropped more than 4 passes in a single game...

Like I posted prior...A poorly thrown ball that hits a receiver is NOT a drop...He may have failed to make a superlative play on the ball but it's NOT a drop and it counts against the "QB" NOT the "WR"....Ya can't stick it between the shoulder blades and claim he should have had it and dropped it...


"H"...

As I remember "80" was the "Holy Roller" play by "Snake" to "ghost" to VanEagan...

So "D" was definitely the thing that kept us in position but trickery on the "O" is what pulled it out...

A bad call that worked to our advantage and a new Raider rule...

PantyRaider...Forward Fumble!!!/_

9:08 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

If Jason Campbell slips up at all, Tom Cable could bench him. Oakland is running the ball the way the Steelers used to. The Raiders are healthy off a bye, while the Steelers are dealing with growing injuries. That could help even things out even more.

Did you know?
Raiders running back Darren McFadden leads the NFL with 108.1 rushing yards per game this season.

Now when you look at this bar-graph we lead or are equal in virtually every category but one...Run-"D"...Interesting match-Up!!!...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010112103/2010/REG11/raiders@steelers#tab:analyze





Around the NFL...

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward said he will play Sunday against the Oakland Raiders despite sustaining a concussion during the first half of Sunday night's loss to the New England Patriots,

The Steelers remain concerned about end Brett Keisel's hamstring and the defensive end is highly unlikely to play this week, Guard Chris Kemoeatu's injury status (knee/ankle) will not fully be known until Wednesday but he too might miss another game


OK...Kick him in the head in the 1st series...Job well done...He's outta there...


Thigpen works with Dolphins' first team as Henne sits...Thigpen likely will make his first NFL start since 2008, when he was with Kansas City.

Let's hope they are lame 2 weeks from now when we play them in "OakTown"...


Vick has played himself into MVP conversation

After watching Michael Vick on Monday night, if there was ever any doubt that he’s an MVP candidate, it was erased in a hurry.

What we saw was not only Vick being scintillating, but a team that is now totally in his hands. The conversation with quarterbacks is usually about whether a team is “theirs” or not. Well, there’s no doubt in my mind the Eagles are, very happily, following Vick. That mindset has spread, because it’s not just the offense. The defense has picked up on the energy, and their game has jumped up because they have a leader and a guy they believe in.


Fat chance we could ever get him lose from Philly...They own him and won't let go...

PantyRaider...I Smell Blood And It Ain't Ours!!!/_

9:35 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"How can that be??"

Simple, Raiders WRs probably don't have the minimum # of attempts to even make the list.

What is the minimum # of attempts required to be listed? Do you even know? I couldn't find it.

Besides, wouldn't the percent of drop passes be a better gauge?

Some of the players listed have 10x more attempts, so of course their total number of drops would be more.

Heyward-Bey is no T.O., and there's no stat in this universe that will prove he is.

Except for one, maybe two games this year, Bey has been a non-factor in the Raiders' offense since he arrived. Yet he remains the #1 WR (since Day 1).

And how is it that Schilens still can't practice with the team? Are his doctors so bad they can't tell the difference between 4-6 weeks recovery period (from time of injury) and 11 weeks (and counting) into the season?

Right now, I would say Murphy and Ford are our best WRs, with little or no depth at the position.

Now, if you want to jump and down and say you were right all along about the WRs, then just add that to the list of other things you think you were right about.

9:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

When asked about the perception among many outsiders that it’s Al Davis who calls the shots and if that had any impact on the players, Walker shot for the stars.

“That’s always what is going to be said around here,” Walker said. “Al Davis could be shot to the moon and be on a moon trip and they’d probably still say he’s running things from Mission Control. Al watches film incessantly. I’m sure he’s got something to say about it. He runs the team.

“But we’re winning, so who cares? It’s a bigger issue when we’re losing and you wonder about the weird things that go on. It doesn’t matter. We’re above .500 and in first place. President Obama could be (calling) the shots.”

Read this post and tell me Cable is not the "HC" and doing one hell of a job...For real...

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/11/15/movies-part-of-cables-motivational-tool-box/

PantyRaider...The Truth Will Always Surface In Time!!!/_

9:50 AM  
Blogger H said...

Dropped passes is only a measure of the receiver if you look at how many times they’ve been the target. So, I don’t put a lot into that one.

I’m all for getting better production out of our WR’s. In fact, if DHB is not producing consistently he should sit until he can, or be used in three or four sets, but not as the #2 guy.

This season we have had a receiver go over 100 yards four times. We split those games. But, the two losses were close and both were winnable.

My point in the OL is simply this.

You can make a position better by upgrading a different position. All the receivers have benefitted from the changes at quarterback. That is unarguable. But, in giving up sacks we rank 30th. And, that’s for the season and the last three games. Think what we could do in the passing game if we were 15th.

We have improved in this area by the way. Last year we were dead last while passing a good bit less.

Keeping a decent quarterback in their upright and locked position is more important to me than a Pro Bowl receiver at the moment.

H

10:11 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
You can make a position better by upgrading a different position
>>>>

I agree to a point... I think we are weak at RT... and we need some young talent at center. I'd like to see how our 4th round pick turns out before we draft more tackles again though.

The o-line isn't playing that bad though lately H. Thats my point.

Sure they were a train wreck early with Gallery gone, and a rookie starting... thats where all the sacks came from. And it didn't help with Campbell studying JaMoney tapes early either... he was standing in the pocket like a slug for the first three games.

WR's are for fantasy football players.

Maybe thats it??... none of our WRs are FF pickups so they all must suck??

10:27 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I think this game means allot more to this team than we might think...I think Cable has brought an element back that has been long forgotten on-board the "Raider Ship"...I think this team has an identity and they need to go out and establish it...

Cable is in his dream job as a Raider Fan/Coach and it shows...As such he remembers the things of old and he talks to the past greats who took the field for this franchise...Who coached it...And he listens to the architect who constructed it Al Davis...I think we have finally found the man who will have true commitment and not use this franchise as a "Steppin Stone" to his next horizon...I think he is here to stay...

Last week we went up against the top rushing attack in the NFL...It was our weakness...We made it our strength...Because we forced our will upon them and in the end the "V" was ours...That's what we face this week only this time it's the "Run-D" that will try to dominate us...Will we again force our will upon them and run that damn ball down their throats like the teams of old did...

That's the identity that Cable is bringing back...The will to go out and force your will upon them...To take what we want...

PantyRaider...I Think This Team Will Do It!!!!/_

I think their ready...I think they believe...

10:27 AM  
Blogger H said...

"The o-line isn't playing that bad though lately H. Thats my point."

That is marginal. Yes in the run game, but no in the passing game.

In the first three games we went 1-2 and gave up 9 sacks. In the last three we are 3-0 and gave up 8 sacks.

We are on pace to give up between 45 and 50 sacks. While Campbell and Gradkowski aren't going down at the rate Russell did we can still do better.

A lot of our sacks are coming right up the gut. Satele is decent in run blocking, but he has a hard time in pass protection.

An upright quarterback is a healthy quarterback.

While the run game is helping slow down the rush, in obvious passing downs (3rd and long) we ain't doing such a good job in protection.

H

11:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This weeks match-ups...

"AZ" at "KC"..."AZ" is out-matched and should lose..."KC" is 4-n-0 at home this season...Make it 5-n-0 as the "Squaw"s go to 6-n-4....

Den at "SD"...Den is out-matched in this game too but don't bank on the "V" for "SD"....I smell up-set in the making..."SD" is coming off a bye and get healthy at "WR"-n-"TE" against a very weak Den "D"...Everything points to a "SD" "V" but somehow I just don't buy it...They tie at 4-n-6 -n- stay 2 games behind "KC"...

Raiders -vs- "Squeelers" "O"-vs-"D"

"O"-#12............."D"-#9
Pass-#25............#26
Rush-#2.............#1
Scoring-#7..........#5
"OL"-#29............Sacks-#10
....................Int's-#7 Tie

"D"-#6.............."O"-#24
Pass-#2.............#22
Rush-#24............#13
Scoring-#12.........#16
Sacks-#3............"OL"-#23
Int's-#28 Tie

I give the match-up of our "O" -vs- their "D" as even...Strength against strength...Who can force their own will shall decide this battle...But acknowledge that our "OL" may prove to be our weak link...

When they have the ball we should have the advantage...Our "D" is much better than their "O" on paper...We should be able to overpower their banged up "OL"...We should have allot of pressure on "Big Ben" and possibly force "TO"s and maybe even score -w- our "D" which could very well prove to be the difference in this game...But acknowledge we must stop the run...

Raiders win and go to 6-n-4 on top the AFCW...

PantyRaider....AFCW Predictions!!!/_

11:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"WR's are for fantasy football players."

Gary - you continue to undervalue the position, like it's no big deal.

12:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

11/16/2010 Signed WR Damola Adeniji to the practice squad

11/09/2010 Released WR Damola Adeniji


"WR" by committee appears to be working when we don't have one dominate player at the position...

This has happened well also with some teams of the past...So a "D" doesn't really know what to focus in on to stop your success...Each week it's a different receiver who steps up as dominate or as the primary weapon who usually is also the one who drew the least coverage...

Cable/Hue said we will take what they give us so perhaps this is what they meant...Look at the "D" and see who generates the most fear and they become the decoy so another can have the opportunity to make plays...

So this week who will be the biggest fear for Pitts...

"TE" Zack Miller
"RB" "D-Mac"
"FB" Reece
"WR"s Ford/Murphy/"DHB"
"LT" Khalif Barnes

Or another who has not yet surfaced as a big play legitimate threat...

"WR"s "JLH"/Miller
"RB"s Bush/Cartwright/Bennett
"TE" Myers
"LT" Veldheer

I really think it's rather funny and allot of fun to watch because I also don't know who is about to step in and step up on my football team...Really keeps it interesting...

PantyRaider....Must Be A Fantasy Nightmare!!!/_

1:59 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT" Khalif Barnes

2:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Go here and VOTE Raiders to get our players in the "PB"...

http://www.raiders.com/fans/pro-bowl-ballot.html

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2:18 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Why might I still talk about needing to improve at WR? I don't know, maybe because we currently rank 25th in the NFL in passing?

We're 5-4. This is no time to rest on our laurels. Continual improvement is the objective.

The fact is that our passing game is lacking, and that's why Campbell and the WRs are still getting some heat.

When our passing game starts showing up like our defense and rushing game, then praise will follow. Until then, I'm not going to pretend there's not room for substantial improvement.

Doesn't mean I hate Al. Doesn't mean I'm saying the Raiders suck. It means that I'm an observer and chronicler of the entire Raiders experience, and my takes tend to be a reflection of actual performance on any given front.

2:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

How about just a little "Realty Check" here...

Just how do you propose to improve at the "WR" position this late in the season...

Now let's take a look at what this team has done of late and you see if you have some better formula...

#1...Developed Jocoby Ford into a legitimate weapon as a rookie...

#2...Involved our back-up "RT" Khalif Barnes in the Red-Zone "O"...

#3...Continue to immerse Myers/"JLH"/Miller in the "O" to keep them ready for possible back-up roles if needed...

#4...Continue to rehab/hope for the return of Chaz to the mix...

#5...This one I question...Play musical chairs with WR Damola Adeniji on the "PS"...

Or maybe you see some huge possibility for "WR" Shaun Bodiford, 5-11 185#s to be signed from the "PS" to the "AR" and come in to make huge plays in our passing game....

Am I being precocious...Well just a little...Yes...But just what the hell would you do at this late point in the season...Besides "CRY" about what we haven't got yet...

For real...You make demands so just how the hell should they fulfill those demands now...Raid the other teams "PS"s in hopes you discover a hidden gem somewhere!!!..

Trade deadline is past...I pimped Moss and was obliterated for it so now you will suffer with what we have left...

Maters to deal with in the off season...

PantyRaider...
"WR" By Committee!!!/_

He had 1/26yds in their loss...

3:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"Reality Check"

3:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

If your looking for something to fight about at least pick a legitimate subject matter that could possibly be dealt with during this late stage of the season...

I mean...That one was really weak!!!..

PantyRaider...Just Laughin With Ya Baby!!!/_

Too damn happy about my Raiders to let anything derail the smile into tears at this point of the season...

Oh! Golly Hell No!!!...

3:21 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

"WR's are for fantasy football players."

Gary - you continue to undervalue the position, like it's no big deal.
>>>>

I'd be whining right with you if I had been watching our QBs lay perfect passes to them and they keep dropping them... especially at the worst times... and thats simply not happening. The only key reception the entire year I can think of was Ford's drop to end the Houston game... which we prolly would have lost anyway barring a miracle.

The most drops any of our receivers has is 3... in 9 games. Unless my math is off, thats one drop every third game AT WORST... and everyone is STILL whining?

Do the Raider WRs have bad ratings on Madden or something?

I simply don't see all the 4 alarm panic on the actual playing field.

3:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Mark my words...

Sunday morning we will walk into their stadium and we will own it...We will enforce our will upon them and walk out with another "V" on our shield...And we will accomplish it by "WR" by committee and the strength of our "TE"s/"RB"s/"FB" -n- "D" -n- "ST"s -n- Coaches...

Total team effort is what I'm demanding to see...

But please please "OL" don't let us down...

PantyRaider...More Secure At "QB" -w- "Ski" Waiting To Devourer "JC" if He Slips!!!/_

3:28 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
The fact is that our passing game is lacking, and that's why Campbell and the WRs are still getting some heat.
<<<<


Ahh so now its Campbell AND the Wrs thats the problem? When did this change? I thought I was just admonished because I kept making "excuses" for DHB and am in some sort of "fan club" for him?

Yes... considering our QB's have basically STUNK OUT LOUD for all but like 13 quarters of football so far this season... I would say its not a stretch to say its the QB's AND the WR's fault.

Mostly the QB's. But if you want to make the WR's just as culpable for so odd reason... knock yourself out.

I still think its because they have low ratings on Madden!

3:57 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
The only key reception the entire year I can think of was Ford's drop to end the Houston game
>>>>


Correction... that was the 4th down pass to end the SF game.

4:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

Don't you see the irony? You think our passing game might have improved because Barnes caught a couple passes.

The only reason Barnes has been made a target is because we are dangerously thin at TE. IMO, that's no reason for celebration.

Sure, Barnes catching a TD was cool, but really nothing more than a novelty. Is he the next refrigerator Perry? Doubtful.

4:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Didn't Ford drop a TD pass against the Chiefs?

4:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"The most drops any of our receivers has is 3... in 9 games. Unless my math is off"

Your math, among other things....

Where did you find that stat? Is that one you made up?

4:24 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I don't think it's any mystery that our WRs are more involved when Ski is QB.

I don't think that's coincidence. I believe Ski knows the playbook better and sees the field better and quicker than Campbell. Therefore, Ski is my clear choice to play against Pitt.

4:27 PM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

Tim Brown dropped TD passes during his career. Every WR has dropped a TD pass.

So now we get rid of every player that drops a pass. Ford may go on to be a Hall of Famer, and if he does he will drop another TD pass or two.

Take,

I am of the opinion that if we are not amongst the offensive lines giving up the most sacks, that our WR's will benefit also.

I would like to get the OL straightened out in pass protection, then concentrate on the wideouts.

JMNLHSO

H

4:34 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

I'm not saying they don't. Unfortunately, I am being baited into this ridiculous discussion by Gary and his celebration of the Raiders WR prowess.

I'm a big fan of Murphy and Ford, but don't see much beyond that.

Right now, the Raiders don't have a WR in the top 120 pass catchers in the NFL. How can that be? And how can ANY Raiders fan be satisfied by that? Murphy still leads the team despite missing significant playing time.

Murphy - 21
DHB - 19
Ford - 10
JLH - 6

Those are some paltry numbers for an NFL WR corp.

Fortunately, the Raiders are strong in other areas to help pick up the slack, but to suggest WR is no longer an area of concern is, IMNLHSO, misinformed.

Yet, to recognize this deficiency is to be labeled a whiner. Very strange.

4:57 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

How can we improve our passing game and WR play at this late stage?

I don't know, maybe play better?

I'll be watching to make sure you don't criticize our QBs for the remainder of the season, no matter how they play. Or to even suggest that one replace the other.

After all, it's too late in the season to make such observations, right?

5:48 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"How about just a little "Realty Check" here...

Just how do you propose to improve at the "WR" position this late in the season..."

3 simple measures to improve our WRs production:

#1 Improved pass blocking by our OLine

#2 More snaps for Ford and less for DHB.

#3 Getting healthy which in turn improves the competition and depth.

6:10 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

If you put a gun to my head and made me choose between JLH or N. Miller or DHB in a crucial game or critical 3rd down conversion, I would take N. Miller, then JLH then DHB.

I want DHB to succeed but I don't trust him to be a consistent performer.

I fully understand that DHB deserves the opportunity to develop his skills and gain valuable playing experience. I have no problem with him getting reps. in the course of the game as a 3rd WR or rotational WR to give the #1 WR or #2 WR a blow.

However, forcing him into the starting line-up and getting the vast majority of snaps makes no sense from a competitive viewpoint.

6:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

As soon as we involved a back-up "RT" in the Red-Zone Pass "O" effectively I damn sure viewed it as an improvement in our Passing game...Now why the hell wouldn't I...Because it wasn't a "WR"...Now that's pretty weak isn't it...I don't freakin care who or what position as long as the results are positive...


"RT"...

Now don't come out with the "Hypocrisy Card" on me right after I posted...

More Secure At "QB" -w- "Ski" Waiting To Devourer "JC" if He Slips!!!/_

Come'on...Get freakin real here...You can't tie my damn hands behind my back while searching for a way to justify what you posted...Just ain't happenin Baby!!!...

The "QB" position is something we can very well deal with at this point in time...We can bench one for the other and we have Boller at #3 and we can still bring back "Colt" to the "PS" or "AR" anytime we please...The options are on the table if we feel a need to develop them...


"CJ"....

Nice try but 2/3 were already posted by me...

#2...Snaps for Ford...

#3...Getting healthy...

OK!...So lets look at #1..."OL"play...Good idea...

#1...We have developed "Vald" as a rookie into the starting "LT"...

#2...We also got to bench Stupid Mario...

#3...We involved the back-up "RT" in the Red-Zone pass "O" effectively...

#4...We have developed Loper into a quality "G" as back up to Galery and at "RG"...

#5...We have adjusted the schemes to get the "FB" more involved and assist blocking as he has developed...

OK...So what else can we do here with this unit...

#1...More quick developing pass plays to the "WR"s which involve getting the "QB" to pull the trigger on time...

#2...Maybe more mis-direction to slow the rush...

#3...Work out of a spread "O" to keep them from sending 5-6 rushers at us so frequently...

Any other ideas...I'm sure there are a few more that I missed...Go ahead and put them down so we have something to look for...


One point of reference...I'm far too happy with this team to let myself get drug into some stupid joy robbing debate over nothing...Constructive criticism is OK and searching for new ideas is fun but if it's your intention to be contentious find another target...I'm too damn impressed with the results to get wrapped up in any of your projected controversies....

PantyRaider...Wrapped In Celebration Of My Raiders!!!/_

7:13 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Sorry, the argument applies to all positions, or to no positions. Your call.

7:22 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I don't want to hear any criticism of Campbell (I mean, DHB, no, I mean Campbell, no...), no matter how he plays, because y'all are just too optimistic and too high on the Raiders and he's Al's guy and it's too late in the season anyway, got that?

If you don't comply, the following labels await you: whiner, complainer, pessimist, Al hater.

7:29 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What argument is that...

What can be done at this late point in time...

I gave you what can be done at the "QB" position at the ;ate time...Do you doubt what I posted....

Now your turn...What the hell do you think can be done at "WR" now...Come'on...Post it if you got's it...Put your brain thrust out there...

Are you going to raid "PS" rosters for your new target???

PantyRaider...Your Hands Are Tied By Your Own Shallowness!!!/_

7:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I'm excited about Murphy and Ford being the starting WRs vs. Pittsburgh.

If we get Miller back to 100% for Pitt., it should give Murphy and Ford more opportunities for 1 on 1 chances to do some damage.

I would like to see Huey make a more concentrated effort to get McFadden more opportunities in the passing game.

7:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Hay Cry-Baby throw your damn labels now and see if anything sticks...

Wow!!..Your world must be disintegrating when we are winners and you don't something to beat that perpetual drum of "Doom-n-Gloom" over...

I am freakin "LoL"....Big time...You are sooooo spoiled like a little Brat...

PantyRaider...What A freakin Joke!!!/_

7:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

I agree.."D-Mac" out of the slot with Bush/Reese could be difficult for the "D"s to cover when we also have Zack/Murphy/Ford in the game....

"DHB" also has his place too so I'm not one to diminish what he brings to the table...It's by committee and that's working well...

Add in some quick developing plays too...

PantyRaider...Good Creativity!!!/_

7:40 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I just don't like the double standard. Some folks are allowed to criticize, others aren't.

By the way, I've given up the label business. Those are all labels thrown in my direction for making simple observations.

Apparently, that's part of the double standard as well.

7:41 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Add "spoiled brat" to the label roster, right?

Tell me this, and I mean this respectfully, because I am truly curious:

What's the difference between criticizing DHB for poor performance and questioning his starting role, and criticizing Campbell for poor performance and questioning his starting role?

That is my point here. I don't get the distinction.

7:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I don't know any difference...But I do see a difference in being a legitimate accusation and an imagined one...

7:49 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm sorry if you feel accused of something. That wasn't my intention.

7:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Clarification...

ie: "DHB" drops the ball...

On the record he isn't even listed...

"DHB" disappears...

What "QB" threw a ligitimate pass at him...

"DHB" is taking others snaps...

Until now who else did we have to go to...Murphy has been hurt...Chaz is out...Ford was still developing and prolly cost us a game when he played and deflected a very catchable ball to the "DB" for a "TD"...."JLH" has not done squat with his reps yet...

"DHB" is on a scholarship...

So for that you would bench your only healthy weapon???

PantyRaider No Sense To The "BS"!!!/_

7:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

I took that exchange as comical...Including the "Spoiled Brat" part...

"LoL"....

7:57 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It's funny but look at the criticism of "JC"...Especially last week against "KC"...When he is off he is really off...So if there is a scholarship it's with him at "QB"...

It was painful especially after watching it 3 times...I just cringed...He threw the ball so far off it was to the "DB"s but they can't catch...He was late on wide open receivers...He threw behind them or too high or in the ground...Hardly anything was on time on target...

So what's said...

We are 4-n-1 with him at the helm so he has earned the start...NO....Ford earned the start and saved his ass and the game...I didn't see the "QB" getting a game-ball out of that one...No "Hip-Hip-Horay" was shouted in his direction...

If it's not broken in bits and demolished don't bother fixing it...

Ah!...Sorry but I just don't live that way...I drove truck back and forth across this country for 7 years when construction took a dive...Now if the rod is knocking and making a terrible racket while I have a massive cloud of blue smoke up my ass I think something needs to be done even if the damn thing did get me from one town to another 4 out of the past 5 days...

I don't relish being stranded in a blowing blizzard freeze when my heater blows cold smoke...Or in the middle of Death Valley when all that comes out of the air-conditioner is more hot air...

So even though we have won I think it's time to make repairs...Why do we need to be in a hole before we go to a player who could win it for us on an even field at 0-0....Asking him to work a miracle down 21-0 would not be wisdom in my silly mind...

Bottom line "JC" scares the hell out of me...I'm NOT wanting to be stranded in Pitts' bitter cold...

PantyRaider...Here Drink This Octane-Boost And Fire The Hell Up!!!/_

Maybe some Nitrous-Oxide -n- Ether too...Hell!...Fill him full of Alcohol and light'em up...

Maybe he will blow his head off!!!...

8:32 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
What's the difference between criticizing DHB for poor performance and questioning his starting role, and criticizing Campbell for poor performance and questioning his starting role?
>>>

Uhh one is OBVIOUS, and the other is not?

JFC... you didn't see Campbell stinking the field up for nearly three games?

What EXACTLY has DHB done to diverse your scorn? I mean besides being picked 12th overall?

Be specific please.

Perhaps we can go from there.

My specifics on Campbell:

-Lethargic and uninspiring as a starter unless the running game is on fire.

-Reluctant to throw deep, too conservative... even throwing balls into the GROUND under no pressure.

- Locks onto his primary receiver too often.

- Doesn't seem to be a fiery inspirational LEADER that a blue-chip QB in the NFL should be.

- Maniacally dropped his body in front of the first down sticks on key plays early season...like he doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing.

-Has had more completely worthless quarters of football than competence.


Fuck I just got home from the bar and thats just shit off the top of my head.


Lets see your list of shit on DHB:

10:55 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Definition of false equivalency:

-DHB dropped three passes.

-Campbell stunk the field up for three entire games.

11:12 PM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

“Right now, the Raiders don't have a WR in the top 120 pass catchers in the NFL.”

Right, and the Bengals have two receivers who have combined for 106 receptioins, and they are 2 – 7. We heard ad nauseum from the experts how we missed the boat on Owens and how much he was going to improve the Bengals. We heard how we needed to get Haynesworth, McNabb and everyone else in the league.

I agree DHB should not be a starter right now. But, he has had his moments though few and far between. Blind Hog Syndrome I guess. Currently I’m more concerned with upgrading center, right guard and right tackle. Then some reasonable depth across the line.

I’m tired of seeing Campbell limping off the field each game headed to the trainer’s table and getting the daily updates on how Gradkowski is coming along in rehabbing his right shoulder, knees or pick your body part.

Then we get to hear from the experts how much we need a wide receiver. How is a better wide receiver going to slow down the pressure up the middle? Left side is better, center and right side needs some work.

Let’s keep the QB’s upright a little more. Then we can see what we have at wide receiver. And, it’s not just the sacks. For each sack there are probably three more hits and several more pressures.

Calico,

Agreed.

H

5:05 AM  
Blogger H said...

One more thing.

If we can keep the quarterbacks upright a little more, then we will truly see who is the better quarterback.

H

5:07 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Obviously, dropped passes is a subjective stat.

However, I cannot find any such stat anywhere for Raiders WR. That's not for lack of drops; it simply isn't posted.

As I stated before, I don't believe Raider WRs have enough receptions to be listed for this obscure stat.

Murphy - 21
DHB - 19
Ford - 10
JLH - 6
N.Miller - 1

So let's look at it another way.

Raiders WRs have a 45% completion percentage (ratio of receptions to targeted passes). FYI, DHB is 37%.

Top 10 NFL WRs are over 65%.

That's 20 percentage points above the Raiders as a group.

So what gives?

Are the Raider QBs that bad? Because we are told Raider WRs DO NOT have a propensity to drop passes.

Funny thing is if you look at Zach Miller's stats, he's right at the 65% average demonstrated by the league WRs. Also, within the WR group, Ford is over 62%.

Them's da facts.

Hmm... Maybe, Raider QBs are only bad when they throw to DHB.

5:32 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I repeat:

"Right, and the Bengals have two receivers who have combined for 106 receptioins, and they are 2 – 7. We heard ad nauseum from the experts how we missed the boat on Owens and how much he was going to improve the Bengals. We heard how we needed to get Haynesworth, McNabb and everyone else in the league."

Them's da facts also.

So, if we win on Sunday and Ford drops a pass will we be here on Monday lamenting his drop or talking about a victory.

Or, if we lose and Campbell is beat all to hell and back with pressure up the middle will we talk about that or the dropped pass.

Against the Chefs, Ford dropped a pass. But, he caught six of the nine times he was thrown to. That's catching the ball 67% of the time.

If two of the misses were uncatchable that makes him catching six of seven catchable passes or 86%. Hell, on two of them he flat out saved Campbell's, and the team's, bacon.

All that doesn't even take into account his kick return.

But, all I'm hearing is "Yeah, but he dropped a pass."

Like I said, I'm more concerned with Campbell limping off the field to the trainer's table or Gradkowski walking off holding his right arm.

From what I read here I must conclude that's all the receivers fault because they dropped a pass.

The receivers, as a whole, are performing better this year. A big part of that are the quarterbacks. Let's do a better job of keeping them healthy.

JMNLHSO

H

8:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

I am merely replying to what has been said above regarding the WRs. Of course, dropped passes are part of game, but let's not pretend the Raiders WRs are suddenly immune... particularly with their well below-avg percentage of completions.

The central point is that the Raiders have plenty of room for improvement at WR, yet some refuse to accept that. Nor can they accept that improvement can take shape immediately by making simple changes in the player rotation, just like selecting the hot hand at QB. Again, this notion is being shot down.

And how does the Bengals losing games while having two productive WRs justify the Raiders placing less emphasis on their WR position group? Does that actually make sense to you?

Sure, winning is key. But each week is unique. Last week, we needed exceptional play from Jacoby Ford to win the game. This week we may need a WR to step up again. A) will the Raiders play their "best" WRs and B) are they ready to step up again?

Despite what some may believe, the Raiders have not solved all their WR issues.

This is a Raiders blog, and that's a valid topic of discussion. Yet it seems to offend some people. Why?

8:58 AM  
Blogger H said...

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10:27 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I’ve never said they were immune to anything, especially criticism. I just keep hearing a mantra of dropped passes and wide receiver production. I’m just trying to look at the big picture.

And:

“And how does the Bengals losing games while having two productive WRs justify the Raiders placing less emphasis on their WR position group? Does that actually make sense to you?”

I’m not trying to justify anything. But, it shows that having the best receiving tandem in the league isn’t a panacea. I just believe, at this point in time, keeping our quarterbacks better protected rates way higher than does the wide receivers. Especially with our ability to utilized thigh ends and backs in the passing game. Our backs have caught 49 passes so far.

I am also looking at improvement. Last year after nine games we were 2-7, our wide receivers had a total of 36 receptions with 473 yards as a group for an average of 13.1 YPC. We didn’t have a single game where the WR’s as a whole exceeded 100 yards.

This year we are 5-4, the WR’s have 59 receptions with 903 yards with 15.3 YPC. This year we’ve had three games where a single receiver went over 100 yards. Murphy had back to back games of 91 and 119. The primary difference in the passing game is quarterback. What makes sense to me is to keep them healthy first.

I agree every game is unique. But, a strong offensive line allows you to execute and adjust easier.

You have to set priorities when you are rebuilding like we are and wide receiver is not a top priority in my book when we are 30th in sack percentage on offense. And, our percentage is way better this year than last.

Also, it doesn’t offend me, I just don’t think wide receivers are the primary deficiency at the moment.

Hell, just think what McFadden and Bush could do if the right side was as good as the left. And, there's still plenty of room for improvement on the left.

As the old saying goes, “The game is won in the trenches.”

H

10:27 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

I agree completely about the O-line. That's not really the discussion.

I think you may have been baited into this WR discussion just like i was.

Let's wait and see what pops up later, shall we. That may answer your question.

11:35 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Lots of Jason Campbell hate here. You must hate Al, too. He's Al's pick. I can't believe you would complain about a guy who has helped deliver three straight wins. Unreal. You'll never be happy.

12:00 PM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

Baited or not, I just see a much more glaring area for improvement. While, at the same time, I see the shortcomings at receiver.

We appear to have two guys, Murphy and Ford, who can go get the ball and hold on to it. It would be great to have a couple more.

But, I cringed the last two games when Campbell limped over to the sideline knowing how Grandkowski's shoulder was.

I like having good depth at quarterback I just don't like being forced into using it by the opposition.

They've made the upgrades on defense I was hoping for. DL, LB. Now I would like them to attack the OL with the same intensity.

H

12:24 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"maybe because we currently rank 25the in the NFL in passing?"
***********************************


Well RT, Raiders do rank 25th in passing, but...


Raiders really didn't get rolling until game 5 vs SD.

I look at this season as a work in progress.

Each game, taking steps forward, getting better.

I expect Raiders will rank much higher in passing by end of season.

3:29 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H -

We're in agreement regarding two areas of need, with a priority on the trenches.

We also agree on Murphy and Ford getting the lion share of the work at WR.

Only problem is, does Tom Cable and, more importantly, Al Davis agree with that?

Look, if we weren't leading the division with hopes of playoffs, I could understand wanting to play DHB more for his development.

However, playing time right now should be strictly merit-based. And, IMO, that decision should be made by the coaches, who work and communicate with the players daily.

I still get this feeling that Davis is pressing for DHB, and he might have made the decision to play Campbell. Tom Cable, who previously picked Ski, seems like a man of his word, i.e., until it's no longer his decision. I guess that means I'm not buying the "hot hand" excuse.

Right or wrong, that's how I see it.

5:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

Right-On Bro....

"O"-#12 -n- "D"-#6 and that includes the piss poor games in the early going...But their still bitchin!!!...Remarkable!!!..

If we discounted the first 4 weeks we are 4-n-1 and maybe have the #8 "O" -n- #2 "D"....But that's not improvement enough!!!...There is always room to cry!!...


"RT"...

Your not trying to instigate animosity are you...

You were asked to put your cards on the table...Why don't you do that instead of pimping us as "Criers"...

What is upsetting you so much about one little "WR"...How many games has he cost us this season...Put you animosity down in writing and lets go after it...

We listed our concerns with "JC" so now you list yours with "DHB"...That's fair enough isn't it....

Week #1 Loss D. Heyward-Bey 1/11yds
Week #3 Loss......3/49yds
Week #4 Loss......1/2yds
Week #6 Loss......3/19yds

Week #1 Loss "WR"s 8/58yds
Week #3 Loss "WR"s 8/168yds
Week #4 Loss "WR"s 4/58yds
Week #6 Loss "WR"s 4/23yds
J. Campbell 8/21 83yds

Week #1 Loss "DHB" 19% Total Yds
Week #3 Loss "DHB" 30% Total Yds
Week #4 Loss "DHB" 3.5% Total Yds
Week #6 Loss "DHB" 80% Total Yds

So I guess "DHB" singlehandedly lost that Week #4 game by only contributing a measly 3.5% of the total output of the "WR"s....But the other weeks if a player contributes 20-80% of the total contribution of his group he is hardly responsible for the loss...

Funny but I would have contributed that week #4 loss to the "D" who gave up 249yds rushing....But what do I know!!!...

Now I don't think it's too much of a stretch to accuse "JC" of contributing to 2 of our losses this season...Weeks #1 -n- #6...Could have been should have been Week #9 against "KC"...

J. Campbell 19/33 229yds TD -n- Int

Thank god for Ford...6/148yds + 94yd TD Return

PantyRaider...Your Turn!!!/_

5:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I don't get it...Last week Ford got his reps and produced very damn well but now it's Al wont let him play because "DHB" is his man...

What are you arguing about...

Cable was NOT allowed to play Ford???...

Did you watch the game!!!...

5:23 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - If facts be told ...

Cable's hand was forced in the KC game to play Ford since both Murphy and Shillens were out. Lo and behold, DHB and Ford started.

This week DHB is hurt (along with Shillens) and Murphy returns thus Ford is starting again.

The real question (and debate) is how the reps. will be distributed amongst the WR corps when we have more players return to health.

Come week 12 vs. Miami - Good chance we will have Murphy, Ford, and DHB healthy ... who should get more reps. Ford or DHB? I believe it should be Ford if we are competing to win the division.

week 13 at SD - Fair to good chance Shillens returns in a limited role ... how will the reps. be distributed? I believe it should be Murphy and Ford with Shillens and DHB sharing the 3 WRs sets reps. and rotational snaps.

The last 4 games (@Jax, Den, Indy, @KC) is the final quarter of the season to make a playoff push. Depending on the status and performance of Shillens, one could make the argument that DHB should get very limited # of reps in the remaining 4 games.

Of course, the week by week distribution of snaps is fluid and dependent upon many factors and variables (health, performance, opponent, etc.) but the point remains the same ... put the players on the field based on merit and who give the Raiders the best chance to win.

I would be curious to see how you would stack rank our WR depth chart IF all the WRs were healthy.

Mine would look like this:

#1 Shillens (when healthy, the most complete WR package of size, speed, hands, route running)

#2 Murphy (the most consistent WR for the Raiders over the course of the past 25 games)

#3 Ford (explosive game changer and best deep threat; demonstrated this in the only game he started while DHB has yet to catch a deep ball)

#4 N.Miller/DHB/JLH (any 1 of these guys could be listed from #4 to #6)

6:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

1st I would dispense with the hypothetical which means until seen Chaz is simply not in the mix...Than when he is he would have to prove himself after missing so much time...Does he even still have it....Way too many un-knowns in that one....

Than we have to list them according to their positions...Not all "WR"s are alike...

Depth Chart shows Murphy as the #1 -w- Miller as 1st ordinate...Chaz is in the rear...Miller has 1/32yds...

Depth Chart shows Ford #3 behind "DHB" which I think has changed..."JLH" at #2 has shown absolutely nothing yet....6/66yds...

Thus in reality we have this...

Murphy/Miller

"DHB"/Ford or Ford/"DHB"

I don't care but this week we may need both if we want to spread out Pitts "D" and "DHB" may be slowed by injury...

Thus I project for week #10...

Murphy.....Ford/"DHB" as starters..

"D-Mac" is supper valuable at "RB" but also may need to play in the slot -w- Reese/Bush in the game...

Unlike some of you I don't lack faith in "DHB" as a "WR"...If he has a "QB" that can get him the ball on time on target he can make the plays which he has already shown...The inconsistency is more at the "QB" position than at "WR" in my opinion which is evidently where we disagree...None of us like the ###'s but have a different take as to why the "WR"s ###'s are so low...

PantyRaider...We Will Win!!!/_

8:18 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - True about Shillens. It was only speculation on my part. He might not return at all this year and if he does, his performance is in doubt.

I know these are big "IFs" but if Shillens gets healthy and returns to form, IMO, DHB should be the odd man out.

As I've stated countless times, under the current conditions, I have no problem with working DHB into the mix.

My issue is how the 2 WR sets are distributed. I believe that in our current state, Murphy & Ford should be our primary 2 WRs with DHB getting a fair number of reps.

If you were to break down a typical Raider game, I think it would be fair to say that 60%+ of the offensive snaps are with 2 WR sets.

Using some basic ballpark numbers, it equates to roughly 36 (2 WR) sets and approx. 24 (3 WR) sets.

What I'm advocating is that Murphy & Ford be given the lion's share of the 2 WR sets.

9:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Understood but that's not at all an issue to me...As long as we win is what matters...I believe and evidently the coaches believe that Ford has his place as does "DHB" so it's really not an issue....

Murphy is solid as our left side "WR" and should remain as such...Than pick'em for the right side and who gets the slot on 3 "WR" sets...

PantyRaider....Miami Lost Brandon Martial!!!/_

10:11 PM  
Blogger H said...

Calico,

I’m all for seeing Ford get some more reps, and Cable had to start him due to the injuries. But, all things being equal and if Murphy had not been injured, DHB was coming off a 5 catch 105 yard game.

I don’t know, maybe he was being doubled the whole game by the Chefs. But, he has had his moments this season, though not enough of them.

All that said, what I liked best about Ford’s performance was his tenacity in going after the ball. The catch while falling down inside the 10. Taking the ball away from the defender at the end of regulation then laying out for the big catch setting up the field goal in overtime. The last two were basically back to back plays for him.

Now, if we are going to use the argument that DHB was “Al’s guy”, well so was Russell, Hall and probably a few others who are no longer on the team or not starting if you believe everything you read. Mario Henderson was supposed to be Cable’s guy, but he ain’t starting.

The bottom line for me is if Cable isn’t running the team during practice, and game planning, and game day, the players would know it. If they know it, then they wouldn’t be buying the act. Cable is probably talking to Al daily. But, the final decisions on what the team does and who plays on the field are Cable’s.

Quick side note on Michael Huff. He started out the season pretty rough on some long running plays. In those instances he stepped up and said it was his fault (accountability). One of the TV announcers said that after the second game (I think that’s the one) he was put on special teams so he could work on his open field tackling. Of late he’s been doing pretty damn good.

H

4:42 AM  
Blogger H said...

Ok, this is what really chaps my ass.

From Glenn Dickey:

"But after Davis leaned on him last week"

He was referencing Cable's decision to start Campbell instead of Gradkowski.

First off, Cable has stated multiple times, it is his decision.

Second, Mr. Dickey, if you have proof of that statement show it. Hell, a serial murderer, caught on tape with 50 eyewitnesses and a signed confession still has to be referred to as "alleged".

For now, the public statment by Cable is it is his decision. Until these idiots provide proof, I'm taking Cable at his word.

Yes, Davis and Cable are working together, but if Cable was just the puppet Dickey is alleging the players wouldn't have the respect for him they do.

There, now I feel better.

H

6:32 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

shillens. not to be negative BUT why are we still talking about this guy? a porcelain doll who can get on IR with a broken fingernail? i am so sick relying on these oft injured players. we talk about him as if this guy was a 1st round draft pick. sure he's shown flashes but he's a 7th rounder for crying out loud who is always freakin' hurt! let's move on tommy. either put him on IR or cut him! to me, he's wasting valuable roster and blog space!

7:51 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
scorpio said...

shillens. not to be negative BUT why are we still talking about this guy? a porcelain doll who can get on IR with a broken fingernail? i am so sick relying on these oft injured players. we talk about him as if this guy was a 1st round draft pick. sure he's shown flashes but he's a 7th rounder for crying out loud who is always freakin' hurt! let's move on tommy. either put him on IR or cut him! to me, he's wasting valuable roster and blog space!
>>>>

With a 7th rounder he carries a 7th round pay scale.

There's still SEVEN games left... your chin is bloody from knee jerking (as usual).

9:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Scorpio -

It's been my contention all along that Schilens should have been placed on IR to start the season.

As harsh as that sounds, this is the second year in a row the Raiders have chosen to wait for Schilens. Last year they also waited for N. Miller, who wasn't activated until the very last game.

IMO, the Raiders had to know Schilens injury was severe. There's a big difference between 4-6 weeks recovery (starting early in pre-season) and 12+ weeks recovery.

Even if Schilens returns next week, he will need a couple weeks of practice to get back to speed.

That's a best case of Week 15 (Game 14). BEST CASE!

To me, that only makes sense if the Raiders make the playoffs. Now many here think that's enough, but when you're a 5-11 team, getting TO the playoffs should be priority #1... not advancing after the fact.

And there's still a chance Schilens doesn't play at all this year.

With the inexperience and lack of depth the Raiders have at WR, I didn't (and still don't) think it was a good risk to take.

I'm stilling hoping to be proven wrong!

10:01 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

"The most drops any of our receivers has is 3... in 9 games. Unless my math is off"

Your math, among other things....

Where did you find that stat? Is that one you made up?
>>>>

I posted the AFC leaders in drops and the list went down to 4 drops... so I assume everyone NOT on the list has less than 4.

Its called critical reasoning.

You wouldn't understand.

10:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio....

Especially the "Blog-Space"....

That's funny!!!...


"H"....

The reality is that the "Old Dogs" who can't learn new tricks are the "Hate Tripper"s bashin Al Davis...Same old crap recycled in different formats over -n- over again...Why the hell not...It worked once so let's just keep it up Babies!!..Fans can't stay happy with this team and Mr Davis forever so they are perched like the Buzzards they are waiting to pick at his dieing flesh....

This is exactly why I continually post very Negative about the damn stupid "Hate Trippen" "Mediot"s...They have damn well earned my scorn!!!...


"H" brought up an interesting point about how "CJ" limps off the field and gets treatment on the sidelines...After further review I think there is something to look at there....

"Shi" went down to injury and "JC" came in as relief...He than was banged up against "SF" and I was calling for Boller...Every week sense he has had issues with his leg and a limp...So I suspect he is playing hurt simply because we have no one else to go to...In which case I should give the man a break...At least a little...

True he is inept for long periods of time and his hesitant release just scars the hell out of me...But he may also be a man in this game...A real gamer and not listed on the injury report to keep the "D"s from going after him too aggressively...Especially when we evidently have nothing behind him...The coaches don't appear to want Boller on that football field...

Still...This week if he stumbles we need to pull the trigger and give "Ski" an opportunity to save the day...And the record...

Re: Ford...

He was being brought along slowly as a rookie but the injuries simply forced the issue...It's not like he wasn't already seeing the football field...Last year 2 rookies were pressed into duty as starters simply because they were what we had...How many complaints were there about that on this board...Now that has turned into "Get Him In Now" while ignoring the developmental stages that a 4th rd rookie should be expected to go threw...I'm thankfull the time was spent to get this kid ready and Cable made several comments that he was impressed with his development...Now we just got to see why...

PantyRaider....Make Issues Over Nothing!!!/_

10:14 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Even if Schilens returns next week, he will need a couple weeks of practice to get back to speed.

That's a best case of Week 15 (Game 14). BEST CASE!
>>>>


You should be HAPPY!!

....quote....

The Oakland Raiders may finally be ready to pull the plug on Chaz Schilens’ season.

The wide receiver is believed to have suffered another set back in his recovery from pre-season knee and foot surgeries.

....end quote...

10:15 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

Ford just proved you and everyone else wrong...We didn't know what we had developing in the background but apparently the coaches/front office did....

Chaz as you posted should be of value in the "PO"s and we are definitely on that path at the moment...

Don't look now but we are already above Miami...If we win this Sunday at 6-n-4 we are also above Pitts...Now the real possibility starts to project a home "PO" game in our future...

There are currently 7 teams going for 6 positions...Today we would have one of them...With a win we could also hold the "Wild Card" edge...

PantyRaider...No Time To Slow Down!!!/_

PantyRaider....How Huge Would That Be!!!/_

10:26 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

The bad news is that we allow a lot of sacks.

The good news is that so does Pitts, and they are even worse now because of injuries at RT... our front 4 have to be licking their chops! NE got 5 sacks last Sun... I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders do even better!

BTW... I think a lot of these sacks can be avoided with rolling Campbell out of the pocket more...

10:34 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

OK...Now This!!!...

"Death Ro" is accused of hitting a man with his car and throwing him to the ground causing $75,000 in permanent injuries which results in a law suit...

What was permanently injured...His balls...What ever it was is worth less than $75,000...

Than this...

The university said police were investigating a fight between a football player and two fraternity members that weekend in 2008. The News reported the player was McClain.

OH!...2 on one and "Death Ro" was the "Bad Boy"....

PantyRaider...Fuck your damn Fraternity...FootBall Rules!!!/_

10:37 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Just as I posted this team has an identity and needs to go out this week and prove it's for real....


We have imposed our will a little bit on some people, and we’re continuing to try to learn how to do that and get better at it.


This one will be a "DawgFight" to the bitter end just like the good ol' days....


When I got here in ‘07 it was trying to change the mentality of how to run the football. I think we’ve grown that way. This year we’re having some success and had big games doing it. As you get down the stretch here it will be about who can do it consistently, who can get the ugly three and four yard runs consistently. That will be what it takes to succeed.

So I think just an identity about running the ball and how hard it is and what it takes to work at running the football. That was achieved right away. To understand it. Running the ball doesn’t happen by accident. You have to block people and you have to run hard. We’ve been able to take that and take it to another level.

PantyRaider...I Love This Shit!!!/_

11:00 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Because it took the Raiders a while to get their act together. They dropped some early games against weak opponents.

Losing to Cards, Texans, & 9ers, might really come back to haunt us at the end.

Looking forward, Raiders have a pretty tough schedule, with slim margin for error.

So this Steeler game is almost a must win.

I'm going to say it will be a low scoring, defensive battle.

I think Raiders make a big play in 4th quarter, and pull it out, 17-16.

11:31 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

I agree but also project a possible late game surge if we can push our will upon them early on...So maybe add another 10 pts in there for a 27-16 "V" after "Ski" comes in and gets hot...

Looking ahead now next weeks game looks allot easier against the gutted "Fish"....

3 against our own AFCW and the Jags are very winnable...Indy will be tough but not insurmountably...

PantyRaider...1st Things 1st...Take Care Of Pitts!!!/_

I guarantee they are looking at us with allot of concerns...Fears!!!...

11:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Team on the verge of season ending collapse????...

Roethlisberger is trying to repair his image -- that of a self-absorbed star who can be rude to the public and players alike.

Roethlisberger believes, with the Steelers at a critical juncture in their season, it's demanded of him that he become more of a leader.

"I've never been a rah-rah voice," Roethlisberger said. "I might pull guys aside and talk to them. It's always been about action for me. It's time now for me at this point of the season transitioning to being more of a vocal guy, as well as a lead-by-example (guy)."

Roethlisberger said Ward urged him to assume the role when the two talked following the Steelers' 39-26 loss to New England on Sunday.

"I told him, 'We've got to come together as leaders and, captain or no captain, you're a leader of this team,"' Ward said. "Together, we've got to go out and lead the way for this team to make it better. I think all the veteran guys, myself, James, Casey (Hampton), James Harrison, we've all got to come together as a group and get this thing back going so what happened last year doesn't happen again this year."

The Steelers were 6-2 last season, only to watch their chances of repeating as Super Bowl champions evaporate during a five-game losing streak that included losses to some of the NFL's worst teams. One was Oakland, which returns to Heinz Field on Sunday as a much-stronger team that has won three in a row and owns a share of the AFC West lead.



The injuries will help us...

Because of injuries to starting tackles Max Starks and Willie Colon, and rookie center Maurkice Pouncey's rapid development into the team's best offensive lineman, the Steelers are younger offensively than they projected last spring.


Time is now to take these boys down again....

PantyRaider....GOOOooooo Raiders!!!/_


Divided they will fall:

"With the loss of Jeff Reed being a locker room favorite, it's tough," Ward said. "It's time to have a sense of urgency; we've got to start playing better ball in the month of November and the latter part of the season. And it's going to take our leaders. We've got to come together closely as a group."

12:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Coaches try to slap them into playing tough...Now we will slap them into submission:


While the Steelers rarely practice in full pads, coach Mike Tomlin chose to have such a workout Wednesday -- an apparent response to the way they played against the Patriots.

Sitting out were safety Troy Polamalu (Achilles') and safety Will Allen (concussion). Doing limited work were linebacker Lawrence Timmons (hip), guard Chris Kemoeatu (ankle) and defensive end Brett Keisel (hamstring).


PantyRaider...Just Bitch Slap The Bastards Baby!!!/_

Fee-Foe-Fum!....I Smell Blood!!!...

12:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Fee-Fy-Foe-Fum!...I Smell Squealing Blood!!!...

They will squeal as we bleed'em...

12:43 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary said:

"I posted the AFC leaders in drops and the list went down to 4 drops... so I assume everyone NOT on the list has less than 4.

Its called critical reasoning."

Then I'll ask once again, did you see DHB's drops listed ANYWHERE?

You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME.

The man has just 19 receptions. Perhaps he didn't have the minimum number of catches to qualify for the listing.

Stop making assumptions and show where he's listed.

1:04 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

You have me all wrong, Holmes.

Why should I be happy about a setback for Schilens?

I want him on the field YESTERDAY!

My issue all along is that the Raiders miscalculated his return. That falls on management. But in NO WAY am I happy about it.

Get a clue!

1:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said: "(NYR) Ford just proved you and everyone else wrong."

How so? I NEVER said Ford was a bad WR, or that he wouldn't be good... in any way, shape or form.

So where do you get off saying I was wrong about Ford?

I'm here every day lobbying for Ford to get MORE playing time, not less.

He's a rookie! And he's the second best WR on the team right now.

1:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

I posted earlier that DHB has a 37% completion precentage?

You say he has only 3 drops, yet 63% of the passes thrown his way hit the ground.

So you're saying that 63% (less 3 passes) falls squarely on bad QB play.

Basically, Campbell sucks! Right?

1:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"..

That was in reply to this...


With the inexperience and lack of depth the Raiders have at WR, I didn't (and still don't) think it was a good risk to take.

I'm stilling hoping to be proven wrong!


Ford was good depth that none of us knew we had...Thus we were all wrong/uninformed/in the dark or whatever you accept as the reality...Ford showed us all something and has no doubt earned more playing time if not to start...We will see how that plays out this week but you make it sound like Al Davis is tying Cables hands and not letting him on the field....On what basis do you speculate that is what I was asking...

As for the list Gary posted the bottom man with 4 drops had only 18 receptions so "DHB" -w- 19 would have made the list...

PantyRaider...Much Ta-Do Over Nothing At All!!!/_

2:28 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

At least you answered the question Gary seemed to be avoiding.

That doesn't change DHB's very poor 37% completion rate.

Drops are a very subjective stat. It's not like a sack or, even easier to measure, a completion. I would guess DHB has more than three, but whatever. 19 rec is an improvement over 9.

As for Ford, I think we are all pleasantly surprised. I know it does no good to harp on lack of early season moves now. My primary concern is that Ford stays on the field. He is worth another look, and sooner rather than later.

3:15 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

In case anyone forgot, this is what Ski did against the Steelers last year:

"Gradkowski’s 11-yard touchdown pass to Louis Murphy capped an 88-yard drive with no time outs in less than two minutes as Oakland scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and beat the Steelers 27-24." (J-Mac).

Ski has more starts than Campbell, and has never demonstrated anywhere near the lows Campbell did against SF and KC (1st half).

Ski has shown all the skills of a top QB, except that he is not durable. I know that's a big issue, but for a single game against a very discipline and aggressive D, he may be the right choice.

3:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I strongly suspect we see "Ski" in the game Sunday unless "JC" comes out with his "A" game and we don't need him...

It's Home-Coming of sorts for "SKI" -n- Camble is a Players Coach so I suspect he wants to give him a shot...

PantyRaider...I Think He Expects To Play!!!/_

3:34 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

Gary -

I posted earlier that DHB has a 37% completion precentage?

You say he has only 3 drops, yet 63% of the passes thrown his way hit the ground.

So you're saying that 63% (less 3 passes) falls squarely on bad QB play.

Basically, Campbell sucks! Right?
>>>>

For the most part yes... what games are you watching?

Lets recap:

1. Tenn: Stunk out loud entire game.

2. Stl... stunk so bad he got benched at half... Gradkowski came on and DHB had 6 catches 80 yards.

3. SD: Played well off the bench for two quarters... thus far has had 2 good quarters to 6 horrible.

4. SF: I don't even want to write about how bad he stunk in this game... the memory is too painful. 2 good quarters vs 10 bad. Most QB's would be benched for the season at this point.

5. Den and Sea: played his best football as a Raider. Keep in mind the running game was OFF THE HOOK for both games though. But lets be charitable and ignore that... he is at 10 good quarters vs 10 bad.

6. KC: 3 1/2 horrible quarters.

Conclusion:

So far we have seen 10 1/2 good quarters of football from Campbell, vs 13 1/2 piss poor.

Is this not "sucking" to you in todays NFL or something?

13 1/2 quarters of horrible play from a QB?

Gannon had that MAYBE in 4 years... Campbell did it in 7 games.

3:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary-n-"NYR"...

One note on how bad he sucks...

Sense the "SD" game when he came in relief of "Ski" we have had little other choice than to ride him...We won but certainly not on the strength of the play at "QB"...This is where the rest of the team stepped up and took up the slack...

22 quarters without a choice...

This week is different...We have a healthy "Ski" on the sidelines willing and ready to play...

PantyRaider...What's The Odds "JC" Doesn't Make It Past The 1st Half!!!/_

4:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Let me be clear here...It's not that I'm rooting against "JC" it's that I'm doubting his ability...

Pitts is a team feeling like their backs are up against the wall...They will come out and try to throw us up against the wall with everything they have early on...A good "QB" will take advantage of such reckless play by the "D" but I doubt "JC" will hold up under that siege...

Later if we can hold ground they will tire and become our bitches...But not if they are successful and put us in a hole...

That is my fear this week...Our weak link is at "QB" and "OL" protection which both say "Ski" is the better man for the job...

PantyRaider...Even Cables' "A" Game Is Not Good Under Siege!!!/_

4:12 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

One thing in Campbells favor... its supposed to be clear and 56 in Pitts Sun. The first half vs KC he looked like he'd rather be doing anything besides playing football in the rain the first half. Wasn't SF rainy too?

Not exactly a "mudder" I do believe.

If he starts off sluggish again and we go into halftime behind by more than 10... I think its time for Gannonkowski...

4:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

One more advantage...Time to prepare...

If Hue has gotten into his head and come up with a winning gameplan for the 1st quarter we may be pleasantly surprised....If only Part Time "JustCrap" can execute it on time...

PantyRaider...Hue May be The Equalizer We Need!!!/_

4:51 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"The most drops any of our receivers has is 3... in 9 games. Unless my math is off"

I would bet my last dollar that DHB has more than 3 drops this season.

It isn't so much that your 'math' is off but that the stats that you recited don't include DHB because of him not qualifying for enough attempts.

4:56 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR said, "Ski has more starts than Campbell"

How do you figure? Campbell has started in 59 games and Ski 30.

5:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"6. KC: 3 1/2 horrible quarters.

Conclusion:

So far we have seen 10 1/2 good quarters of football from Campbell, vs 13 1/2 piss poor."
==================================
vs. KC

Campbell was 15 of 23 for 211 yards and a touchdown in the second half and overtime _ a 109.1 rating.

During the final drive and the overtime drive, Campbell was 7 of 9 for 101 yards.

So Gary, you giving Campbell a 1/2 a quarter of good play vs. KC? So a 109.1 QB rating, come-from-behind victory in OT courtesy of a gorgeous deep ball strike to Ford isn't considered good QB play?

5:11 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

#1...The lowest "WR" with 4 drops had 18 rec...."DHB" had 19 so he qualified...

Brandon Tate NE 18/300yds -w- 4 drops and tied for 12th...

I will take that last $$$...

#2...What

"gorgeous deep ball strike to Ford"

It was grossly off target...Had it been well thrown Ford would have scored with the type of separation he had...Instead he had to stretch way out and go to the ground to make that catch...

Supper plays by Ford do not translate into great plays by "JC"...Virtually every pass Ford caught was off target/thrown late or right to a "DB"...

Now I will agree that at times "JC" appears to get hot and do quite well...Last week it took him 3 quarters to warm up and spectacular play by Ford to succeed...In other games he never did warm up...

Are you of the mind that we can afford to play that way this week against Pitts...I'm afraid we will dig a hole which we are unlikely to recover from...

This is NOT a young and up-coming "KC" team in our own house...It's a previously dominate veteran football club feeling like they have their backs to the wall in their house...No easy Task!!!...

PantyRaider...But I Think We Match-Up Very Well IF The "QB" Makes Plays!!!/_

They are like a wounded dog...Better to put it out of it's misery than to play with it...

5:51 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Jason Campbell SUCKS!

Now that DHB, on the other hand, WOW! Dude's on fire. I mean, just look at him!

6:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oh! Oh!...Here comes that Brat shit again...

Come'on "RT"...Post what's up...Why!!!...You must have a why for being so down on "DHB" the way you are...

OK...Pimp a "WR" we have that your kool with...Than look at the #'s and tell us why...

One game miracles???...

PantyRaider...Or Post Why You Love "JC" And How He Should Start!!!/_

6:48 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

DHB has had 50 balls thrown to him. He has caught 19 balls.

It surely doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that he has dropped more than 3 balls.

If you want to tell me that the 31 passes intended for DHB that didn't result in a reception were Ski/Campbell's fault, you are only kidding yourself.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

"gorgeous deep ball strike to Ford"

It was grossly off target...Had it been well thrown Ford would have scored with the type of separation he had...Instead he had to stretch way out and go to the ground to make that catch...
==================================
gorgeous deep ball strike to Ford

"It was grossly off target...Had it been well thrown Ford would have scored with the type of separation he had...Instead he had to stretch way out and go to the ground to make that catch...
"Supper plays by Ford do not translate into great plays by "JC"...Virtually every pass Ford caught was off target/thrown late or right to a "DB"...

Grossly off-target? PR, I have watched the play countless times. Ford was being CLOSELY trailed and covered by Flowers. Campbell led Ford with a ball only he could catch. This pass allowed Ford and only Ford to make a play on the ball by leading him perfectly.

You really are a Campbell hater.

7:37 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm not so much down on DHB as puzzled by his Fan Club. It's one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed.

Up to this point, he's just another mediocre receiver, of which there are literally dozens in the NFL, and none of which have a similar Fan Club. Is there a Malcom Floyd Fan Club? Are there people saying that Malcom Floyd's primary role isn't to catch passes?

It's just weird.

Yet if you observe that DHB is simply just another mediocre receiver and question his starter status, you are branded an Al Hater.

Meanwhile, those calling others Al haters have absolutely no problem noticing the alleged mediocrity of Jason Campbell, who is an Al pick.

I simply don't understand the Sacred Cow phenomenon and double standard.

I'm sure you'll clear it up for me.

7:41 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

You want to pull a QB while the Raiders are rollin' with a 3 game winning streak?

My Math (sorry Gary):

Campbell has played in the past 19 quarters (4.5 games + OT).

Of those 19 quarters of play, he has played above average in:

SD 2 quarters (2 of 2)
SF 0 quarters (0 of 4)
Den 4 quarters (4 of 4)
Sea 4 quarters (4 of 4)
KC 3 quarters (3 of 5; OT)

13 of 19 quarters he has played well. 4 of last 5 games are victories. We traded for him to be our starting QB. Am I missing something?

I find it odd and amusing that some of the posters are being so hyper critical of Campbell but want to bring out the kid gloves with DHB. Makes no FN sense.

7:47 PM  
Blogger x said...

CJ and RT....don't be such DHB haters.

Didn't you read the memo?
http://goo.gl/8F2Y9

DHB is is prepping to join that select group of WRs that includes Jerry Rice and Lance Alworth.

7:58 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Good one, X.

Just remember, you're an Al Hater if you observe the mediocrity of Al's next Jerry Rice.

But you're an Al Lover if you observe the alleged mediocrity of Al's next Jim Plunkett.

Got that? Can you keep that straight?

8:04 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Lance Alworth
Willie Gault
Art Powell
Andre Rison
Warren Wells
Bob Chandler
Fred Biletnikoff
Jerry Rice
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
James Lofton
Randy Moss

and drum roll please ...

Darrius Heyward Bey

Makes perfect sense to put DHB in this select group of legendary Raider WRs.

9:59 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>

KC 3 quarters (3 of 5; OT)
>>>


3 of 5??? What game were you watching?


He couldnt throw a pea in an ocean for three full quarters.


>>>>>
13 of 19 quarters he has played well. 4 of last 5 games are victories. We traded for him to be our starting QB. Am I missing something?

I find it odd and amusing that some of the posters are being so hyper critical of Campbell but want to bring out the kid gloves with DHB. Makes no FN sense.
>>>>


Uhhh QB is more important than WR.

Is this news to you or something?

Really?

11:01 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Raider Take said...

I'm not so much down on DHB as puzzled by his Fan Club. It's one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed.
>>>>

Yet everyone in this "fan club" has agreed he should be demoted.

Do you ever post with honesty RT?

EVER?

11:05 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Raider Take said...

Jason Campbell SUCKS!

Now that DHB, on the other hand, WOW! Dude's on fire. I mean, just look at him!
>>>


Who has said this?

I'm just trying to figure out why all the Al-haters are throwing him under the bus while giving Campbell a free pass.

Got any HONEST answers, RT?

11:10 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
So Gary, you giving Campbell a 1/2 a quarter of good play vs. KC? So a 109.1 QB rating, come-from-behind victory in OT courtesy of a gorgeous deep ball strike to Ford isn't considered good QB play?
>>>>

That OT pass was awesome... agreed.

He also had many passes in the first half that were EASY interceptions that were dropped, and the pass that Ford took away should have been an int.

So excuses for the most important player on our team that has 5 yrs experience is completely acceptable here, but excuses for a 2nd yr player at an arguably mundane position is inexcusable?

Does this about cover it RT and CJ?

Come clean little children...

11:26 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

“Let me be clear here...It's not that I'm rooting against "JC" it's that I'm doubting his ability...”

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying about DHB. Maybe now you can understand.

CJ -

“NYR said, "Ski has more starts than Campbell"

How do you figure? Campbell has started in 59 games and Ski 30.”

Sorry about that. I meant as a Raiders QB. In fewer starts as a Raider, Ski has not shown the same failures (and he has not really had the luxury of a supercharged McFadden).

Ok. Based on the last three games, I understand Campbell getting the start. But I wouldn’t call him the “hot hand.”

Counting Campbell’s bad quarters has become easier than counting DHB’s drops.

Ford made Campbell look better than he was against KC, and our running game was a big factor in the two previous wins.

I don’t expect Campbell will have that luxury against Pitt.

That said, I am intrigued (even perplexed) by the long drives and late game heroics of Campbell who has proven in a short time that he also is capable of sleepwalking for several quarters at a time.

I still see the same hot and cold QB that led a stacked Redskins team to only four wins last year.

IMO, neither QB is our long-term solution. Which is why I am lobbying for a platoon at QB. If Cable wants to play the hot hand, a platoon is how you do it. Unconventional, but also intriguing for a very unsettled position.

5:48 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Well, Gary, what I "honestly" don't understand is why saying DHB should be demoted makes me an Al Hater, but saying DHB should be demoted and Campbell should be demoted makes you an Al Lover?

I'm sure you'll give me an honest answer.

I'd be more concerned about my honesty if I was calling folks Al Haters for saying Campbell (or DHB) should be demoted, while at the same time saying that Campbell (or DHB) should be demoted.

7:07 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

RT... I'm just trying to figure out what the ground rules are here.

This is how I see it... excuses for a 2nd year player at a platoon position is unacceptable.

However, excuses for a 5th year player at the most important position on the entire team is accepted and encouraged.

Does this about cover it?

11:36 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Man, when you take a break from this site and come back....how could I be involved with the insanity on here?
The hypocricy and arrogance of the "crew" makes this site a NUTHOUSE.


Hey Gary, that "platoon player" was a SEVENTH OVERALL PICK, supposed to be an impact player. The 5 yr vet QB was picked for a 4th rd pick and they probably could of waited until he hit the waiver wire and still have him....yup, that just about covers it.

JONES

1:34 PM  

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