Belated Postgame Take
Well, let me start with Randy Moss. In the words of Nancy Reagan, "Just say no." As in, hell no. Thank you. Yes, I've been agitating for veteran help at wide receiver, but I draw the line with this joker and his poisonous act. Anyhow, Halloween festivities got in the way of my usual postgame timeline, and I really won't be able to say much more than has already been said by those who kept the lights on for me.
In the past, I've said that our defense resembled Cirque du Soleil: clowns flying around, hitting nothing. Well, the clown show is apparently over. It has been replaced by the UFO known as the Good Ship Raider, whose Men in Black are flying around, hitting everything.
I look at Jason Campbell, and I can't say I'm blown away. And yet he's obviously doing something right. It's strange. He still makes me yawn, but he has presided over the biggest two-game offensive Raiders explosion since the AFL merger, if I'm not mistaken. That would be two consecutive performances of more than 500 yards. Yes, a lot of those yards have come from the run game, but the dude has the stats to prove that he's been a big part of it.
And then there's DHB. In a game where Zach Miller wasn't a big factor, and with Murphy out, DHB stepped it up and delivered his best game yet. And how abut Marcel Reese? Crikey.
Honestly, I think most NFL observers are happy to see the Raiders doing well. That's what I'm hearing on the radio and elsewhere. Yes, they all enjoyed kicking us while we were down, but we were down for so long that it had to become boring. The emergence of a strong Raiders franchise is newsworthy, particularly when it's accompanied by meltdowns in Denver and San Diego. But the Chargers still concern me, as they've shown that they can overcome slow starts in the recent years.
But for the first time in a long time, the Raiders are ready to play a game that really matters, a game that could ultimately decide our divisional destiny. Three weeks ago, we were mourning The Debacle Across The Bay. Now, more than 1,000 offensive yards and 92 points later, we are barreling down the road to first place in the AFC West.
Losing this game wouldn't be lethal, but it would be a big setback. But winning it would be huge. It's high time for the Raiders to do something huge, and I expect that they will. Here come THE RAIDERS!
P.S. Even the national media are taking notice. Heck, Peter King over at Sports Irritating ranks us 13th in the league as of this morning. It will be interesting to keep an eye on the NFL spread for the upcoming Chiefs game. Right now, Vegas has the Chiefs on top, but I expect the Raiders to prove that the house doesn't always win.
posted by Raider Take at 5:36 PM
197 Comments:
"RT"...
I already gave my thoughts on Moss on the last thread so you know we disagree...But I'm very consistent that way...
I pimped Plexico "TheGun" Burris as you prolley recall...Micheal "DogMan" Vick who would now be a Nation favorite to bring in...Brandon "TheDonkey" Marshal...But I wasn't high on "TO" because he was losing his game...Nor was I in favor of bringing in another roster hog who hasn't proven a damn thing just to provide depth...
Moss has not lost much...He stepped right into "HornsVille" and was making plays like he had been there their whole off season and that's what he could do for us...Elevate our game and our probability to take this division and I want that more than the niceties coming out of the mouths of "Mediot"s perched to like buzzards in wait to devour...
So I don't give a damn how many times you spanked your wife in the off season or squandered the life saving...All I care is to win and Moss helps us do just that...He immediately makes us a threat in the post season...
So ask yourself this...At the end of December which would you rather hear/read...
#1...We played well and if we had squired Moss when he was available we may have made the "PO"s....
#2...The Raiders are in the "PO"s and a threat to go the distance if they can keep Moss happy enough to keep playing...
PantyRaider...I Take "PO"s At All Cost!!!/_
Wasn't it your gripe that "Winning wasn't the main interest"....So than now why wouldn't you give props to an effort to "Win At All Cost"...
The difference is, none of those other guys disrespected the Shield with their own cleats on the Coliseum turf, by quitting on plays, and therefore quitting on teammates and the Raider Nation.
I saw it with my own eyes. We all saw it. Quitter of the Shield. Thief of Mr. Davis's millions. Not welcome.
"RT"...
I kinda think that may have applied to most everyone on the "06" Shell II team...Too many quit on us...
My understanding is that Al Davis was not wanting to let him go but gave him the option...Moss wanted to be traded...If he is welcome by Mr Davis than the rest will just have to get over it...Same for me...I was agree at how all that crap went down and nick named him "NoMoss"...
Just like with Gruden...I don't welcome him back but if Mr Davis made the move I would just have to accept it...The thing is Gruden quit on a winning program...Moss quit on a total losing effort if there really was any effort at all...
PantyRaider...Just How Many "06" Players Would You Welcome Back!!!/_
"06" Starters Currently With The Team:
LT Robert Gallery
RT Langston Walker
RDT Tommy Kelly
LLB Sam Williams
LCB Nnamdi Asomugha
SS Michael Huff
K Sebastian Janikowski
P Shane Lechler
Back-Ups:
26 Stanford Routt
When you go back and look at that roster there ain't much to get excited about...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2006_roster.htm
PantyRaider...One Of Our All Time Worst!!!/_
..."Moss has not lost much...He stepped right into "HornsVille" and was making plays like he had been there their whole off season"....
Moss did NOTHING in Minny, what are you writing about? Why do you think he was cut? Because he was a huge threat and was making the Offense better? He's garbage, this team is better off without him, he wouldn't come anyways. Cable's words really mean "I don't know who Al wants". You can bet that Cable doesn't want the baby sitting job, this team is beyond that clown.
JONES
PR -
I'm not sure how you can possibly balance and justify your unequivocal love and respect for Al Davis and the Raiders with bringing back Moss who openly disrespected the shield.
Sorry but in my book that is nothing short of hypocritical. No player who spits on the shield is welcome under ANY circumstances.
It is a sharp poke in the eye to all the players who have given their blood, sweat, and tears busting their balls for the organization.
It is a disgrace to all the loyal Raider fans who have spent their hard earned money and time in support of the organization.
The FACT that Moss quit on the team in spite of being paid MILLIONS of dollars and having other teammates counting on him is the definition of an unprofessional COWARD.
Thanks but no FN thanks.
Anybody who wants Moss back in a Raider uniform should get his brain checked ASAP.
Being a Raider fan seems to condition the short term memory loss somehow: clear all the years after 2002 but keep everything from 70-01.
Moss was the ultimate quitter. He was elected as a TEAM CAPTAIN for crying out loud and quit on the team WHEN IT NEEDED HIM THE MOST, in desperate times under horrible coaching. That's when a veteran player MUST step up and help the younger players on how to deal with this. What he did was go to the media and talk about how "fishy" things are. What an asshole.
On top of the that he seems to have lost his game. So what's the point at all? I'd rather throw our young rookies in and see how they learn to swim.
"CJ"...
I would totally respect those words if they applied equally to Gruden as well...Talk about "Spitting On The Shield" when the players -n- fans were depending upon him...There was a very damn good reason why those players felt smited/cheated by him...
Read this one...Player Attitudes...
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-03-27/sports/17536727_1_jon-gruden-brown-figures-bill-callahan
Raiders Rank @ Week #8...
"O"-#8.........."D"-#9
Pass-#20........#4
Rush-#2.........#26
Scoring-#2......#23
"OL"-#28........Sacks-#3 Tie
................Int's-#30
PantyRaider...That Corner Has Been Turned!!!/_
Moss...
2010 Minnesota Vikings 4gms 13/174yds 13.4yd ave 2 TDs
2010 New England Patriots 4gms 9/139yds 15.4yd ave 3 TDs
AnnoAss "Judas" your a total idiot...
"KC"...
"O"-#12.........."D"-#16
Pass-#32.........#23
Rush-#1..........#7
Scoring-#14......#4
"OL"-#2..........Sacks-#19 Tie
.................Int's-#20 Tie
Very one dimensional team...If they can run the ball on us we will have a tough time...If we can slow that run down and run on them this one is ours...
5 man front "Big Nickle" -n- bring that heat baby!!!....
PantyRaider...I Think We Take It -n- The AFCW!!!!/_
Gruden never quit on the team or the players. More like he was baited into a contract that was withdrawn, then he was traded.
As for Moss leaving the Vikes, the story apparently is that he advised the coaching staff on NE's tendencies, then when the game went sour, he blamed the coaches for not listening to him.
What a tool!
We don't need a player with an attitude who thinks he should be HC.
Ok Tom, I’ve supported much of what you have done. But, please not Moss. There’s a reason Minnesota got rid of him, and we got rid of him and New England got rid of him and Minnesota got rid of him again. What were they thinking!
Moss is not a “team” guy. He’s proven that everywhere he’s been.
Panty,
If Moss was making plays, he wouldn’t have been released that quick.
My hope is Cable is playing a mind game trying to get another team to pick him up. Remember, a lot of teams will have a shot at him before we would. It’s my understanding the waiver process hasn’t started yet. So, everyone with a record worse than 4-4 will get first dibs. That includes the Dolts and the Geldings. Even the Whiners get a shot before we do.
Looking ahead, I think Campbell will wind up starting on Sunday. That gives Gradkowski two more weeks to get healed up and be 100% (or close) for the Squealers game. He played well there last year and his high mobility will be a plus against their active linebackers.
Murphy could be back, but I doubt it. You don’t want to mess around with a bruised lung.
Waiting on word on Nnamdi.
H
I think it's funny that Randy Moss might go into the HOF affiliated with the Raiders since it's the team he's had the least contentious relationship with.
Just a quick thought.
In the last four games we have gone 3-1. We finally won two in a row. We got the Dolts monkey off our backs. We annihilated the Geldings. We welcomed Pete Carroll back to the NFL with a sound butt kicking.
On Sunday we have a chance to go 3-0 in the division. The down side is we would still be ½ game back even with a win. The Chefs had a rough time and went the full overtime, all 15 minutes of it and almost lost. They should be a little more physically tired this week.
Coming out of the break our schedule is a little rougher then the Chefs. So, this is the most important game in the last seven years.
My point is, the team needs the fans now. If they are going to sell out, this should be it.
The problem is the economic situation as much as the last seven years are making it tough on individuals who have to decide where to spend their money.
It would be nice if several companies, in a gesture of good will to the Oakland community, would get together and buy up the remaining tickets on Thursday then give them away to fans.
I would also say to Rolando McClain, you are worth several million now. Buy a block of tickets and donate them to a local children’s charity. Do your part to promote the team. Contact local businesses and have them do the same. The team, the city (not the city government) and the fans all need each other.
Rolando, you want the fans there, give them a hand.
JMNSHSO,
H
Not Moss. He quit on the Vikings with the half-assed jump in the end zone, that could've won the game for the Vikings 2 weeks ago. Afterward, he said "I'll jump when I feel like it."
Then he came out this week, and disrespected his team, by giving props to the Patriots for punching them in the face. There's a reason this guy will NEVER win a championship, and why the Patriots are playing better without him.
It would be funny, though, if the Patriots got a 3rd Round pick for him, onlly to have the Vikings waive him, and the Patriots get him back. DOUBLE STEAL!
On a different note, this weekend is going to be gravy! If we win, it will be the first time we've beaten all 3 division teams since 2002! I think we bring our A-Game, and take it to the Chiefs.
Now, my concerns. The bye week is going to set the tone for the rest of the season. It will be a great time for injured players (Murphy, Chaz, Nnamdi, and Zach Miller) to get healthy again.
But, we will need to carry the momentum through the bye week. The game after the Bye is against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. The Saints just showed this last week, that if you stack the box to stop the run, you will beat the Steelers. Which plays into our defensive scheme. Stacking the box not only stops the run, but in passing downs, causes pressure, which causes interceptions in a man-to-man defense. So, we should do our homework by watching the Saints-Steelers game, and see what the Saints did defensively. You're not going to beat the Steelers unless you get Molesteburger to turn the ball over.
The rest of the schedule is going to be tough as well. After the Steelers we are back home against the Dolphins; then south to San Diego; off to Jacksonville; then home against Denver and Indy; ending the season in KC.
I say Pittsburgh is a winnable game, but one we could lose. Indy is going to be tough, and so is Jacksonville (another one that can go either way). The dream would be to compare ourselves with the 1980 team and go 12-4; winning out the rest of our games.
But realistically, best case scenario is we end 11-5 or 10-6 (Indy/either Pitts or Jacksonville in the loss column), I don't think we beat Indy. I really think we end 9-7.
Worst case, we win against KC, come off the bye, get punched in the face, and it goes downhill, and we end 5-11. I don't think this will happen. I think the Raiders have finally turned the proverbial corner; and are starting to find themselves.
RT, I agree with Jason Campbell making me yawn, but he is making the plays. Much like Dilfer with Baltimore, Plunkett with us, Doug Williams with the Redskins, and Brad Johnson with the Bucs. It wasn't pretty or extravagant, but they won it all.
Not Moss. He quit on the Vikings with the half-assed jump in the end zone, that could've won the game for the Vikings 2 weeks ago. Afterward, he said "I'll jump when I feel like it."
Then he came out this week, and disrespected his team, by giving props to the Patriots for punching them in the face. There's a reason this guy will NEVER win a championship, and why the Patriots are playing better without him.
It would be funny, though, if the Patriots got a 3rd Round pick for him, onlly to have the Vikings waive him, and the Patriots get him back. DOUBLE STEAL!
On a different note, this weekend is going to be gravy! If we win, it will be the first time we've beaten all 3 division teams since 2002! I think we bring our A-Game, and take it to the Chiefs.
Now, my concerns. The bye week is going to set the tone for the rest of the season. It will be a great time for injured players (Murphy, Chaz, Nnamdi, and Zach Miller) to get healthy again.
But, we will need to carry the momentum through the bye week. The game after the Bye is against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. The Saints just showed this last week, that if you stack the box to stop the run, you will beat the Steelers. Which plays into our defensive scheme. Stacking the box not only stops the run, but in passing downs, causes pressure, which causes interceptions in a man-to-man defense. So, we should do our homework by watching the Saints-Steelers game, and see what the Saints did defensively. You're not going to beat the Steelers unless you get Molesteburger to turn the ball over.
The rest of the schedule is going to be tough as well. After the Steelers we are back home against the Dolphins; then south to San Diego; off to Jacksonville; then home against Denver and Indy; ending the season in KC.
I say Pittsburgh is a winnable game, but one we could lose. Indy is going to be tough, and so is Jacksonville (another one that can go either way). The dream would be to compare ourselves with the 1980 team and go 12-4; winning out the rest of our games.
But realistically, best case scenario is we end 11-5 or 10-6 (Indy/either Pitts or Jacksonville in the loss column), I don't think we beat Indy. I really think we end 9-7.
Worst case, we win against KC, come off the bye, get punched in the face, and it goes downhill, and we end 5-11. I don't think this will happen. I think the Raiders have finally turned the proverbial corner; and are starting to find themselves.
RT, I agree with Jason Campbell making me yawn, but he is making the plays. Much like Dilfer with Baltimore, Plunkett with us, Doug Williams with the Redskins, and Brad Johnson with the Bucs. It wasn't pretty or extravagant, but they won it all.
2010 Minnesota Vikings 4gms 13/174yds 13.4yd ave 2 TDs
2010 New England Patriots 4gms 9/139yds 15.4yd ave 3 TDs
On total = 8gms/ 22 catches, not even 3 catch/gm. I know that looks like DHB stats and you think that those are good stats....Waste, those are horrible stats, using them as your defense shows what a complete BUFFOON you are. By the way, the ANNO post isn't mine. I don't need to hide to show what a buffoon you are.
As you can see by the response's, you are the only idiot who thinks bringing in Moss is a good idea. Typical "crew" argument.
JONES
Should be a big crowd vs K.C., won't be a sell out but should be a good crowd. It will take a few more wins, if the team continues to play like this, the stadium will be full. It's been a long time coming and there will still be questions if this is really the team now...just remember that Who song.....Human nature is more at play here than dollars IMO.
JONES
I think it would be interesting to pick up Moss just to keep him off other AFCW teams... if he gets picked up by SD, you can just as well kiss the AFCW goodbye... and possibly KC too.
Yes a brooding underachieving Moss with the Raiders would be bad, but Rivers/Moss or Cassel/Moss would be worse.
Plus all he cares about is winning... if the Raiders keep rolling, I doubt he'd be a problem.
Something to think about... Rivers to Moss with Jackson? That would be a NIGHTMARE in the AFCW.
Why is Moss being singled out for quitting on the team, when the whole team had already quit? The fact is that Art Shell was using the guy as decoy instead of getting him involved in the offense. Sorry, if Moss disrespected the shield, then so did the entire coaching staff and team. Moss is an easy target for discontented fans, but the guy is misread more times than not.
..Also... he might just RETIRE rather than play for the Raiders. I think that would be hilarious! Keep him from playing for ANYONE this year.
Just in case we make the playoffs... do we really want to face him? Why let Billicheat pick him back up and gather a third rounder?
This might be a business decision we might have to consider.
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onandonandon said...
Why is Moss being singled out for quitting on the team, when the whole team had already quit?
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Well he WAS team captain.
But I think he'd quit on ANY team that is losing... guess I shouldn't take it personally.
If we can continue winning, I don't think there would be a problem.
COuld be interesting...
PR and Gary both pimping Randy Moss after their stalking-like posts rebuking my concerns at WR.
Priceless!
Will the fun ever end?
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So, everyone with a record worse than 4-4 will get first dibs. That includes the Dolts and the Geldings. Even the Whiners get a shot before we do.
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Is it based on THIS years W/L record or last years? For some reason I was thinking it was last years... so SD could pick him up?
I saw a list last night and the teams interested started with Rams and the Raiders were listed second.
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Looking ahead, I think Campbell will wind up starting on Sunday. That gives Gradkowski two more weeks to get healed up and be 100% (or close) for the Squealers game. He played well there last year and his high mobility will be a plus against their active linebackers.
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Thats a good point... Grads has a much better chance to beat the swarming Pitts defense... plus he won there last year... I don't see him playing before unless Campbell has another SF game against KC.
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nyraider said...
PR and Gary both pimping Randy Moss after their stalking-like posts rebuking my concerns at WR.
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Picking him up hoping he retires, or to keep other teams from getting him is "pimping"?
Your reading comprehension problems never ceases to amaze me!
So you think we should waste a roster spot for a loser that you claim you don't even want on the team? Brilliant!
I'd love to see Moss go to the Chiefs and undermine the chemistry of that young team. But something tells me that Pioli knows better.
As for the Chargers, I'd love to see Norv try to keep a lid on Moss and Vincent Jackson. Moss undermined Norv in Oakland with his passive-agressive commentary, and I expect he'd do it again.
Gary,
“Plus all he cares about is winning…”
Not buying it guy. It was reported Moss wanted out of NE. True or not, I don’t know. Moss wants to win, but he wants it to be easy and he wants himself to be the center of the passing game, every game. Otherwise he pouts and takes plays off. All that 100% effort stuff is for other people.
Moss turned out EXACTLY like I thought he would when he was us. It’s one of those moves where I very much disagreed with the big guy. I didn’t want him then and I sure as hell don’t want him now.
Next two games:
Against the Chefs our kick and punt coverage really needs to tighten up. The Chefs arguably drafted two of the best return guys in the nation last year in Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster. Note to Lechler and Janakowski, just kick the piss out of the ball. Touchbacks are OK against these guys or punt it out of bounds. Normally I wouldn’t recommend this type of strategy but I’ve seen what these two did in the SEC the last two years.
Of course we could always drag out the fire hoses and soak down the field like we were accused of back in the day.
Against the Squealers I look at Reece to have a big day. The linebackers will have to account for him more than any fullback they have faced. On screens he might be the blocker or he might be the receiver. He might be the lead blocker, he might have the ball. Do you leave him alone when he moves to the slot? Can’t do that, he’ll burn you.
H
Former Riaders QB Russell works out for Redskins
"JePurple" -n- "The Rat"????...Hilarious!!!!....
Shawne Merriman set to join Randy Moss on waiver wire
Gary...
"Addition by Subtraction" has been a Raider rule in the past and would have value here again and I'm also of the mind he won't quit on a winning team...
But the simple fact is I want him back now...We have suffered injury to almost our entire "WR" core and need a new presence so why not let it be one who scares the hell out of the "D"s...He is the last player the "AFCW" wants to see back in "OakTown" and with very good reason...He can still make plays -n- would elevate our game...
2010 production:
NE/Minn...2 teams in one season...
Moss.......22/300yds 3 TDs
Zack.......34/461yds 4 TDs
Murphy.....22/337yds 1 TD
"DHB"......19/266yds 1 TD
"D-Mac"....20/217yds 2 TDs
Pretty stupid to question his playing ability while pimping Murphy's...
No word yet that Moss has been waved...
PantyRaider....Moss Watch Continues!!!!/_
It's bad enough that Davis might have in the past retained unwanted players to keep them away from other teams (namely, AFCW teams), but to suggest he pick up unwanted players off waivers for the same purpose is nothing less than insane. It's really quite stupid.
Gary, what player do you suggest we waive to make room for Moss? Because I don't see a roster exemption happening anytime in our immediate future.
Speaking of ShannarRat, how funny is it that he pulled his star QB in favor of the 2nd-teamer to run a 2-minute offense? That belongs on NFL Blumpers and Blunders.
Now tell me Gruden didn't quit on this team and spit on the shield...
History Lessons In Print:
Agent says Gruden won't re-sign with Raiders
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-01-23/sports/17528791_1_jon-gruden-senior-assistant-bruce-allen-raiders
Gruden good as gone? / Agent says coach won't be with Raiders after '02
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-01-22/sports/17527219_1_jon-gruden-raiders-boss-al-davis-washington-s-steve-spurrier
Back to school December 09, 2001
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-12-09/sports/17631510_1_nfl-head-coaches-jon-gruden-jobs
Reaction to Gruden loss is split across the bay
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-02-19/news/17532342_1_raiders-fans-oakland-raiders-head-jon-gruden
ANALYSIS / If Mariucci's out, 49ers' options intriguing / Departure could open way for Gruden
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-02-16/sports/17530543_1_coaching-options-49ers-jon-gruden
Gruden says he won't discuss the Irish stew
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-12-04/sports/17630550_1_offensive-coordinator-bill-callahan-jon-gruden-raiders-coach
It was NOT Davis' desire for him to go...It was Gruden's -n- his agent's all the way...
PantyRaider....Historical Records Are There!!!/_
Panty,
"I'm also of the mind he won't quit on a winning team..."
He quit on the Patsies, that why they got rid of him. Righ now they have the best record in the league.
Brady wasn't throwing to him 75% of the time. So he got pissed off.
Remember the "Moss Rule" in Minnesota? Because of Moss' whining and complaining the HC said publicly they would throw to Moss something like 60-80% of the time. That coach wound up fired. Then they dumped the QB, then finally Moss.
They don't seem to handle prima donnas well in the great white north. The current coach won't pull the plug on Favre and his quest for 300 consecutive starts.
H
"H"...
I don't know if I would call complaining quitting...I admit I have not been following the guy nor his teams and only look at production which is what we are in need of here...
Look at the options...We can continue to be limited due to our current tenancies to play injured and hope we can keep up the "V"s or we can make a bold move to get top quality available depth and make a real push for this division and the "PO"s...
PantyRaider...I Vote Win Now At All Costs!!!!/_
There may not be a tomorrow in 2011...
My Take is NOT a popular one....
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/11/2/1789357/should-randy-moss-be-claimed-by-the-oakland-raiders
PantyRaider...But it depends on Al Baby!!!/_
Voices will chill the 1st time he scores on that long ball...
Q: Do you have any interest in signing Randy Moss?
Cable: “I just heard about that before I came down here, so I don’t know a lot about it. I know he would have to clear waivers and all those sort of things. But, we have an interest in anyone we think can help us. It’s just it hasn’t been a discussion yet and then the fact that it just happened and there’s so much that has to go on.”
Q: So, you’re saying there’s a chance?
Cable: Well, I wouldn’t. I don’t think you ever do if you think it can make your team better.
Pretty noncommittal. No discussions, no decisions, you always consider if you think it will make your team better.
Panty,
Complaining leads to quitting if you don’t get your way then you go off and sulk and pout and take plays off and jump when you feel like jumping. It’s also disruptive to the team. Team members get tired of all the whining. Especially when you actually are winning.
“Voices will chill the 1st time he scores on that long ball...”
And they will un-chill when Miller gets clocked on the sideline or over the middle by the guy he was supposed to block and he just didn’t feel like it.
What’s the old saying, “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.” Well, It’s shame on the Horned Helmets.
No, we’ve been down that road before.
According to Cable, Schilens is getting closer to being back, Murphy should be ready for the Squealers, DHB is performing better, Reece has become a secret weapon in the passing game and Miller is only on crutches as a precaution and should be ready for the Chefs. McFadden can catch and so can Bush. We just have to adjust.
H
Moss was canned in Minnesota because he violated his contract, and proclaimed loudly that he intended to violate for the rest of the season. In every NFL player's contract is a clause that they are required to "available" for the press. It doesn't mean they have to answer stupid questions, but it does mean they have to answer reasonable questions about the last game and next week's game.
Moss refused to show up for the media, and was subsequently fined $25,000.00. That pissed Moss off, so he said he'd be there from now on (if he felt like it), but would not answer questions. Instead, he would make up his own questions and provide the answers. The next day Minnesota announced his release.
That's what a Prima Donna does. Cable spent two and a half years walking every veteran who didn't want to be identified as an Oakland Raider to the door. He does NOT want Moss back. The only reason he mentioned the possibility is because he hadn't talked to Davis yet and didn't know Davis' feelings on the subject. But if Davis suggests it, rest assured that Cable will at least attempt to talk him out of it. Bringing Moss in would be a direct assault on the Raiders current "NO PRIMA DONNA ZONE."
As for those folks who once were terrified that Campbell wouldn't be replaced by Gradkowski, and are now terrified that Gradkowski will replace Campbell, have some testicular fortitude.
While Campbell has put together our two best games, he's also put together our two worst games. In other words, Gradkowski is the more consistent between the two. He's also more injury prone.
Cable isn't sweating it, because both are quality QBs. He knows that if Grad is indeed injury prone, the issue will simply resolve itself.
So don't worry. Instead believe that we're very lucky to have TWO quality QBs.
Misbehavior led to Moss' release; WR no longer listed on roster
So it's official he is waved...My bad thinking we need to buy him when the trade deadline has passed..."HornHead"s had no other choice than to try to recoup his reaming salary threw the wire if a team claims him....If not their on the hook for it and he is a "FA" which may have fit his plans if this was intentionally planed...Who the hell knows but he "LightFooted" his way out of "HornsVille"....
Well now I'm going to piss everyone off...I have no qualms going for broke and consistently pimped "DogMan" Vick -n- "GunDumb" Burris even though it was not at all popular at the time...So now here goes...
"Double Claim" it "Maverick"...Shock the whole damn system and than go out and kick some ass with them just like in the past...Time to resurrect that old Raider image!!!....
#1 At 6'-4" 265#s Age: 26
"OLB" Shawne "RoidMan" Merriman
#2 At 6'-4" 210#s Age: 33
"WR" Randy "LightFoot" Moss
I don't know if you can double claim but damn....I would freakin try....
"RoidMan" could give "KC" fits -n- against their weak ass pass "D" "LightFoot" could break their backs....
PantyRaider..."LightsOut" -n- "LightFoot" On The Roster!!!!/_
1980 Raider Watch....Week #8
Season "80" -vs- "10" Records:
5-n-3................4-n-4
1st dns 155..............161
Yards 2816..............2928
Pass 1671................1580
Rush 1145................1248
TO's 24.................10
TO's "D" 25..............12
Differential +2........+2
Pts 215..................212
Differential +23.......+44
Schedule -n- Results....
KC "W" 27-14.........Tenn "L" 13-38
SD "L" 24-30.........StL "W" 16-14
Wash "W" 24-21.......AZ "L" 23-24
Buf "L" 7-24.........HOU "L" 24-31
KC "L" 17-31.........SD "W" 35-27
SD "W" 38-24.........SF "L" 9-17
Pits "W" 45-34......."Den "W" 59-14
Sea "W" 33-14........Sea "W" 33-3
"QB"s...Games...
Jim Plunket....11...."JC"
Dan Pasterini..5....."Ski"
Marc Wilson....2.....Boller ?
Speculation:
Al Davis in his last days looked back at what -n- when were his favorite times as the Raiders' Boss...As he said back when that "80" team won the "SB"...
"This is my greatest teams ever"
Than he set out to reconstruct what he had back then...A team built upon a great run game with a "TE" -n- "RB"s leading the way in receptions -n- a "QB" that brought stability backed up by a "D" that was relentless...Than a "WR" was added later...
Is "D-Mac" our Marcus Allan...
Is Zack or Todd Christensen...
Is "JC" our Jim Plunket...
Who will be our Timmy Brown...
PantyRaider...Food For Thought!!!/_
Blanda,
Well stated.
H
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H:
Not buying it guy. It was reported Moss wanted out of NE. True or not, I don’t know.
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Thats the first I've ever heard of it. He was pissed off because they didn't offer him a new contract, but lets not poison the well here... I've never ONCE heard Moss wanted out of NE (gawd damn it feels strange defending this asshole.)
Look... all I am saying is I'd rather he be on OUR roster than someone else's in the AFCW. The Yankees won some titles doing things like that. This is an unprecedented situation here... never before has a HOF player still in his prime been available WITHOUT COST (besides salary) in the history of professional sports.
I simply believe the Raiders would be remiss in dismissing him out of hand.
And to pretend Moss isn't worth a roster spot because our 45th best player might lose his place is PREPOSTEROUS.
I can buy the arguments that he might be locker room poison or something... but to suggest he isn't better than our worst player on roster is.. well fuck... crazy.
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nyraider said...
So you think we should waste a roster spot for a loser that you claim you don't even want on the team? Brilliant!
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Good gawd... the people at the bottom of our roster are STs players at best... or players sitting the entire game hoping someone gets injured.
There are other people making good arguments not to bring him in... which is fine with me... but to suggest some duffass at the bottom of our roster has some significance is really stretching things... particularly WHEN ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IS WHINING ABOUT HOW THIN WE ARE AT WR LATELY!
Raider Take said...
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I'd love to see Moss go to the Chiefs and undermine the chemistry of that young team.
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Not sure I buy this unless they start losing.
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But something tells me that Pioli knows better.
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Well he'd be available AFTER Al passes on him, so it would be interesting to see.
>>>>> Moss undermined Norv in Oakland with his passive-agressive commentary, and I expect he'd do it again.
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Thats a great point... I forgot about that.
I doubt he'd go to SD unless they are planning on shit-canning Norve anyway.
Gary said: "Look... all I am saying is I'd rather he be on OUR roster than someone else's in the AFCW. The Yankees won some titles doing things like that."
Huh? They did? FACT: the Yankees don't operate like that.
Gary said: "And to pretend Moss isn't worth a roster spot because our 45th best player might lose his place is PREPOSTEROUS."
It's not that simple. Teams carry a set number of players at each position, with very little room to juggle one here or one there.
I believe there are six WRs on the Raiders’ roster, so this is basically where you draw from for your roster move. I don't believe many teams, if any, carry seven WRs... (ha!) including those WRs they merely want to keep out of reach from other teams.
Once again, Gary, please name the player you are prepare to release to make room for Moss.
I can't figure you out. You were so enamored by the draft that you didn't want Davis to even consider hiring a GM (because you didn't want to disrupt the genius).
Yet, after the Raiders put together arguably the best back-to-back games in the history of their franchise, you're ready to play Russian Roulette with Randy Moss.
Are you for real?
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Once again, Gary, please name the player you are prepare to release to make room for Moss.
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Fair enough. Higgins. He hasn't done squat since getting leveled vs SD opening week last season.
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I can't figure you out. You were so enamored by the draft that you didn't want Davis to even consider hiring a GM (because you didn't want to disrupt the genius).
Yet, after the Raiders put together arguably the best back-to-back games in the history of their franchise, you're ready to play Russian Roulette with Randy Moss.
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I am not demanding they do it... just exploring the various facets of why it should be a possibility.
Unlike you, my life isn't shaped entirely in black/white.
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Are you for real?
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Yes... now explain why you piss and moan non-stop for three months that the Raiders need veteran help at WR, and now that a HOFer is available, you are pissing and moaning that anyone would CONSIDER picking him up?
It's no mystery. Moss is not a team player. He is selfish and disruptive. For all my concerns at WR, this is probably the last guy on the planet I expected to become available. I believe the Raiders best opportunity to address their WR problems was during the off-season, right through pre-season (as teams cut their rosters down).
I still scratch my head at keeping Schilens on the roster and injured for the second year in a row. Cable said he's getting closer, but he's been saying that for weeks, maybe months.
I will, however, acknowledge (as much as it pains me) that PR was right about McFadden and Miller picking up some of the slack, but I don't believe anybody anticipated Reece to be so good coming out of the backfield. He's like a hybrid (not really a FB), but has become a force in our offense.
Another point I'd like to make is Stevie Brown. I really don't know how good this kid is, but he always seems to be around the ball.
He's the player that picked up the on-side kick and carried it into the end-zone for an apparent TD, which the officials whistled dead.
Some players never learn what seems instinctive to Brown. He's a ball hawk.
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nyraider said...
It's no mystery. Moss is not a team player. He is selfish and disruptive
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Quote a PLAYER that sez this.
Is he disruptive and selfish to an organization (especially if losing) absolutely.
But by and large the players love him and respect him.
The analogy I keep hearing on sports radio is "You don't marry a stripper."
Its appropriate, but thats not what this would be.. this is FUCKING a stripper for a few months.
I wouldn't have a problem with it... what are you thinking NYR? We are suddenly a possible SB winning team this season after declaring them dead less than a month ago?
Oh damn... if we hadn't picked Moss up the SB was ours??? Is that what this is?
Look... I have no problem if we pick him up, nor would I if we don't.
Jeesh you people make me dizzy sometimes.
11/2 Shawne Merriman (LB) Taken off IR (calf)
11/2 Shawne Merriman (LB) cut....
11/2 Randy Moss (WR) cut.
Not even on the wire so he's a "FA" now or what...It says "Cut" not "Waved"...I'm confused...What is it..
http://www.nfl.com/transactions
Claim "Roids" "OLB" and cut...
Sam Williams "OLB" 30yrs old 8 seasons of nothing....
Claim "LightFoot" "WR" and place...
Chaz on the "IR" so we still have him if he can make a healthy comeback in "11"...
Or another option...
Cut "StupidMario" and give his roster spot to anybody with the heart to play...
Damn!!...That was just too damn difficult to ponder!!!....Please don't make the questions so damn tough!!!...
PantyRaider....Raiders Are On The Clock!!!/_
Teams have until 4 p.m. ET Wednesday to make a claim for Merriman or he will become an unrestricted free agent. Any team that claims the linebacker will owe him the remainder of his $3.269 million 2010 salary.
So same case scenario as Moss...
PantyRaider....Tick-Tick-Tick....This Is Just As Exciting As The Draft!!!!/_
Make That Clock Talk!!!....
Gary, is that what you call it? Screwing a stripper for a few months? Clearly, you have an amazing football acumen. Somebody remind me why I bother having these exchanges.
And what’s with the repeated attacks that I wrote off the season? Show me one statement I made that I wrote off the season. That’s something you have completely fabricated, but has become a repeating theme for you when you run out of relevant dialogue... which is often.
On the other hand, I did not fabricate that you wrote off the second half of the Broncos game as being “boring and meaningless.”
Dare I say, next time the Raiders have another franchise record-breaking game during which you become bored, you may want to find a stripper to entertain you. And his name might by Randy.
I don't want Moss back because I don't trust him, respect him, or like him.
He openly and brazenly quit on the team that I love and you want me to welcome him back with open arms? Yeah, right.
I don't want Moss because the LAST thing the 2010 Raiders need is the distractions, savory media attention, and circus like atmosphere that he will bring.
Fool us once, shame on Moss.
Fool us twice, shame on us.
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And what’s with the repeated attacks that I wrote off the season? Show me one statement I made that I wrote off the season. That’s something you have completely fabricated, but has become a repeating theme for you when you run out of relevant dialogue... which is often.
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OK asshole... do you REALLY want me to quote where you chastised my optimism by calling me the "Black Knight?"
I'll post the entire exchange here with timestamps if you want me to?
Do you REALLY want me to?
Feeling froggy... JUMP!!
Fuck it... here it is: (after game THREE)!
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nyraider said...
Gary said: "...if McFadden wasn't having such an amazing start, and we were STILL about last in the league in defense... I'd be about as ready to jump off a bridge as you, NYR, you miserable pisser excuse of a person you."
What can I say, Gary, you're all class. You have an amazing economy with words, and I think you used your entire vocabulary to come up with that gem.
When it comes to the Raiders, you're like the Black Knight from Monty Python after King Arthur cuts off his arms.
"It's just a flesh wound."
5:21 PM
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So isn't this NYR declaring the Raiders DEAD after game three, or am I missing the metaphor?
Or maybe he meant a man with no arma or legs still has a fighting chance?
What DID you mean NYR?
Spin your way out of this one, asshole!!
"CJ...
I would totally respect those words if they applied equally to Gruden as well...Talk about "Spitting On The Shield" when the players -n- fans were depending upon him...There was a very damn good reason why those players felt smited/cheated by him..."
PR - Why you insist on rewriting history and dumping on Gruden is beyond me.
Gruden NEVER quit on the Raiders. He left the Raiders for 1 reason and 1 reason only:
When it came time for Gruden's contract to be extended, the language of the contract was changed from the original verbal agreement.
While employed as HC, nobody worked harder and longer to change the losing culture and put the Raiders in a position to be a SB contender.
Gruden was friggin' legendary for burning the midnight candle and his work ethic. There were countless stories of Gruden getting into the office super early and staying super late ALL the time.
Moss on the other hand, while employed as a Raider, flat out quit, gave up, stopped trying in the middle of the season.
Gary - If this is your "gotcha" or the best you can come up with, you need to stand down.
Sorry but how you can extrapolate
"When it comes to the Raiders, you're like the Black Knight from Monty Python after King Arthur cuts off his arms.
"It's just a flesh wound."
So this means NYR has written off the season? A MAJOR stretch.
I won't put words in NYR's mouth (like you do) but I would take this in the context of NYR poking fun at you about "everything is A-OK in Raiderland" in spite of the early 2010 struggles and the backdrop of the 7 previous seasons.
Why do you think Moss has been tossed by 4 teams(same team twice)? Do you want Randy up at the mic after a tough loss? Or did Randy even talk to the Raider press? Do you want Randy quitting on the field as he has done on 4 teams? I'm sure Randy is a cool guy when you are having some fun. When it comes to the football team...NO THANKS, anyone who thinks bringing Randy in is a smart move, is dumb.
JONES
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"When it comes to the Raiders, you're like the Black Knight from Monty Python after King Arthur cuts off his arms.
"It's just a flesh wound."
So this means NYR has written off the season? A MAJOR stretch.
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You conveniently snipped out the entire CONTEXT of the conversation CJ?
Why is that?
I clearly stated I'd be writing the Raiders off as dead ALSO, if not for McF looking so good, and the defense playing statistically better.
Here it is again, so you can ignore it again:
...quote...
Gary said: "...if McFadden wasn't having such an amazing start, and we were STILL about last in the league in defense... I'd be about as ready to jump off a bridge as you, NYR, you miserable pisser excuse of a person you."
...end quote...
So if I am the "Black Knight" in regards to the Raiders IN THIS CONTEXT... how is he _NOT_ writing off the entire season after game three?
Its seems pretty clear to me... he thought my optimism was completely false and uncalled for.
As it turns out... it was perfectly justified... McF is at the top of the league... the defense is statistically in the top 10... and the Raiders are in a dog fight at the TOP of the AFCW, half way through.
Keep spinning IAAFers!!
Oh, forgot, any other team that signs Randy, good, have fun with a spoiled, immature football player that thinks of himself as being above the team. These guys are killers if they aren't "happy", naw, players that do whatever they can to make the team happy, these are the players you want. Randy is not in that category.
JONES
"CJ"...I posted these URL's yesterday...
You are wrong and totally wrong...Gruden left for Gruden and his eventual huge $$$$ and that's it...He didn't give a rats ass about the team/players/his obligation to the team or a damn thing except fame -n- $$$$$
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"Jon Gruden will not sign another contract with the Raiders," agent Bob LaMonte told The Chronicle again last night. "This is not about leverage. There is no agenda here. He will honor his contract (which runs through 2002), and that's it."
Jon Gruden gave the Raiders a stark choice yesterday: They can let him out of his contract now, and probably get draft choices as compensation from another NFL team that wants him as their coach -- the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Or, they can keep him around for a lame-duck year, and wouldn't that be fun? Then Gruden would leave the Raiders after the 2002 season when his contract expires, and they would get nothing in return.
Those are two lousy choices for the Raiders, but that's all they have.
It long has been thought that the odds were stacked against Gruden and the Raiders negotiating a new contract because coaches' salaries and power have exploded beyond a level that make Raiders boss Al Davis comfortable. There were exploratory talks, as recently as last month, but NFL sources have said that Davis shot down an attempt by Bruce Allen, one of his top executives, to work out a deal.
One fact is that Gruden, 38, would be an exceptionally hot commodity as a free-agent coach next winter after winning 40 games in his first four seasons and the first back-to-back titles in the AFC West by any team in more than a decade.
Yet, at a time coaching salaries have hit the $5 million-a-year range (Washington's Steve Spurrier), the Raiders thought Gruden was overreaching when they talked about a five-year deal for $3 million a year. The Raiders responded by suggesting three years at about $2.5 million with options by the team beyond that.
Further, it is believed, Gruden wanted language in his contract explicitly allowing him to hire and fire all the assistant coaches and to have some measure of control in player personnel decisions. He also wanted the Raiders, whose loose-knit organizational structure, with everyone reporting to Davis, is a throwback to a much simpler time in pro football, to modernize and restructure. All those things are standard in most head-coaching contracts.
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Fuckin Power -n- $$$$ is all that clown was about....And the players knew he was lying down on them as early as the 1st game in Dec...
PantyRaider...It's Written In The History!!!/_
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You can't reason with insane.
JONES
Hay! "CJ"...
Just for the record...Where were you Dec "01" to Feb "02"....Really...Were you even in the bay area and if so did you even bother reading anything that was transpiring with the Raiders at that time...
I was in Berkeley on my boat and a member of the "Oakland Boosters" of the Oakland Raiders and we had regular meeting with Jim Otto who was the head of the "Steering Comity" that oversaw all Booster club activities...He would explain to us what was transpiring with the stadium issues as well as law suits with the city of Oakland/Alameda and about the issues surrounding the eventual release of our "HC" which made us all sick....
We couldn't believe all the reports that were coming out during the month of Dec "01" and into Feb "02" but it was real and Gruden was shitting on the team/players/fans -n- his own contract for nothing more than fame -n- fortune...Or are you also now calling Jim Otto a liar too...
I was just as I am now 9 seasons later...51 and searching for every scrap of info about my beloved Raiders...Talkin to "JT" the Brick on the radio and at the bar and using any medium I was attached to at the time...Blogging came sometime later....I was very damn well informed as was our "Raiders Booster Club"...
I was in "SD" the entire week during our "SB" loss to the "Bucs" and rehashing all that had happened at the beginning of the year with Gruden's abandonment of our Raiders -w- 10,000 other fans in the streets and bars...It was all very damn fresh in our minds...
Clarification please...
"CJ"...
That's why I can go back and dig up all this past info about what was happening in real time not posted some 7-8 seasons later in retrospect...This is all dated right at the time and there are a 100 more I can eventually find because I remember reading it all before...
I remember because I was there and I was active in it at the time just like I am now....Hell even 10,000 miles outside USAirSpace I'm still very well informed about my Raiders...
I can damn sure search the archives and dig up plenty to show what really happened back than...Can you...
Can you did up one solitary damn record that shows what you want to pimp against Mr Davis in this whole damn mess...I challenge you to the task...If what you say is true the records are there...
Can you meet this challenge!!!!....
PantyRaider....I Seriously Doubt It!!!/_
Can any of the "Criers" mount that effort...."NO"!!!!...."IAAF"ers...
Only one way I'd bring Moss in here. That's if the team he just left was the KC Chefs. We have two games to play against them, and it would be nice to face them with a pissed off Randy Moss. That's how you get the most out of Randy Moss. Understand that it's about HIM. Forget him. KC won't sign him either. SD might, but SD has had a sufficient enough change in personnel that Turner is finally showing his limitations. And if he comes here on the other side, I'd be glad to have Nnamdi shut him down.
Also, don't be surprised if Minnesota performs an Al Davis and seeks to recover at least a portion of Moss' contract. Moss violated his contract, then let it be known he'd do it again. I wonder if we'll hear about Randy Moss working out with JaMarcus Russell?
From the Chronicle article:
"Further, it is believed, Gruden wanted language in his contract explicitly allowing him to hire and fire all the assistant coaches and to have some measure of control in player personnel decisions. He also wanted the Raiders, whose loose-knit organizational structure, with everyone reporting to Davis, is a throwback to a much simpler time in pro football, to modernize and restructure. All those things are standard in most head-coaching contracts."
I'd point out that Gruden got those things in Tampa Bay, and more. He was given a Super Bowl calibur team, and turned it into an also-ran. And I'm not saying that Gruden is a bad coach. But the fact is, his best years were with the Raiders, working with Al Davis. Gruden was good for Davis, and Davis was good for Gruden.
Any other AFCW team signing Moss would be a huge PLUS for us:
First, he would undermine their team chemistry like he has done several times before.
And second, I would just LOVE to see Mitchell decapitate this fuck on a crossing route.
So please KC, Denver, SD: the race is on, get him while he is hot!
To argue the other way around, that we should sign him in order to not see him on our enemies is one of the weakest, lame ass and spineless arguments ever. For Christs sake: stand up and play those fuckers! We are on a roll! Let them come and try to get out with a W! This is a new team and opponents are still trying to figure us out. Right now, we can play with fuckin anybody in this league.
What kind of pussies are you?
For those wanting Shawne Merriman, there’s this.
“Since 2008, though, Merriman has played just 18 games and record only four sacks.” Seems he’s a totally different player without the roids.
The Raiders worked out Jake Grove on Tuesday. Considering we are a bit thin at center I would consider bringing him in to the practice squad (don’t know how that fits with league rules since he is a multi-year veteran). If he worked out ok I would promote him and he wouldn’t take up a roster spot at first. He is already familiar with the blocking scheme and working between Gallery and Carlisle. Plus he has played guard in the past.
Right now I’m more concerned with depth on our OL at the moment than some spoiled brat me first team be damned receiver.
H
Gary, that's all you've got? That's hysterical that you posted it so many times. Are we done here, or do I really need to respond more to your stupidity?
And is "this board" throwing Gruden under the bus, again?
Poor guy's been run over so many times here....
Posted by Blanda from the Chronicle:
"He also wanted the Raiders, whose loose-knit organizational structure, with everyone reporting to Davis, is a throwback to a much simpler time in pro football, to modernize and restructure. All those things are standard in most head-coaching contracts."
That statement tells me the guy was a visionary! Imagine where we might be if Gruden was still the coach and he was given the ability to "modernize and restructure" the Raiders organization? (That, by the way, is NOT kicking Al Davis to the curb.)
And please don't transpose the Bucs failures onto the Raiders. Gruden is a very intelligent football coach who is highly motivated to succeed.
Name one Raiders coach since he left that measures up....
It's absolutely dumbfounding that Randy Moss is welcome here, but Gruden is a scumbag. What sane mind makes this stuff up?
Can we move on from Gruden. We are on the cusp of rising from the ash heap and we keep digging up these carcasses to kick and beat one more time.
For something more recent. Those wanting Moss, and those not wanting Moss here's an example of how the guy is in the locker room:
http://tinyurl.com/2whylyb
H
PR - Got it. You position is clear.
You want Moss to rejoin the Raiders.
You believe Gruden is a scumbag who quit on the Raiders.
My stance is the complete opposite. Time to move on.
CJ
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nyraider said...
Gary, that's all you've got? That's hysterical that you posted it so many times. Are we done here, or do I really need to respond more to your stupidity?
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Don't call me out them Chumley... the facts remain... you QUIT on the Raiders after game three... you are the Randy Moss of Raider fans.
You can pretend all you want that you were with people like PR and I now that things are rolling, but its not true.
You thought the season was over... nothing was changed, and that anyone that saw hope, was a "Black Knight." Those are your EXACT words.
I just LOVE how ra ra and on-board you suddenly are now!
Hey... its now a big party!
But quit pretending you were here all along... you were outside slashing the tires of the people on the inside.
H - I agree. I am fine with suppressing everything I believe is wrong with the Raiders in order to fully enjoy this amazing wave they have started.
Kicking ass every week is so much more fun than losing. Let's hope they can keep it going.
So here we go again.
Gary said: "the facts remain... you QUIT on the Raiders after game three... you are the Randy Moss of Raider fans."
Gary, are you stalking me, or what? Haven't you got anything else to talk about? Your facts aren't facts at all. They're your own fabrications.
If what you want me to say is that I didn't expect the Raiders to put together back-to-back francise record-breaking games, you got it.
By extension, I'm extremely impressed that you predicted (or expected) they would perform at this level the whole time... even while watching them completely lay an egg just three weeks ago against San Fran.
You, my stalker friend, truly are an amazing individual.
One more correction:
Gary said: "You can pretend all you want that you were with people like PR and I now that things are rolling, but its not true."
I think you would be hard pressed to find any post that I was in agreement with either you or PR. But knock yourself out.
Part of the reason that I'm against bringing in Randy Moss is because the two of you want Moss. IMO, that's the ultimate jinx.
Here's something else to talk about... Russell works out for the Skins. Anybody care to comment?
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I think you would be hard pressed to find any post that I was in agreement with either you or PR. But knock yourself out.
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If I were you I'd be giving us CREDIT instead of banging your head against the wall because you were wrong...but knock yourself out also. (Oh, and I was also wrong about McF.... PR... good call on drafting McFab!)
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Part of the reason that I'm against bringing in Randy Moss is because the two of you want Moss. IMO, that's the ultimate jinx.
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For the thousandth time... I am NOT in favor of bringing in Moss.. I just didn't think it was a good business decision to dismiss him out of hand. Once again.... your black/white binary mind cannot grasp such a complex idea.
Oh, and for someone so passive aggressively complaining I am "stalking" you (HAHAHAHAHAHA)... you sure spend a lot of time calling me out.
Seek help, little boy.
Gary said: "If I were you I'd be giving us CREDIT instead of banging your head against the wall because you were wrong...."
What is it, exactly, that I was wrong about?
Am I to give you credit for predicting the record-setting victories these last two weeks? I think I already did that (hoping it would shut you up).
What I do give you credit for, and much deserved, is your assessing the second half of the Broncos game as being "boring and meaningless." That assessment is ALL YOURS! I doubt it is shared with anyone on this board.
You also stated, in so many words, that you believe the Raiders should sign Randy Moss.
Gary said: "I think it would be interesting to pick up Moss just to keep him off other AFCW teams."
Twist it anyway you want. I don't need to repost every statement you made in reference to acquiring Moss. It's all above for anyone interested in reading it.
NYRaider,
Russell's workout with the 'Skins is fairly meaningless unless he has had an awakening of sorts.
I would think the league would issue some sort of suspension if a team were to sign him. It may only be for one or two games, but it is still a consideration.
Shannarat is getting desperate. He kind of stepped on it by benching McNabb for Grossman in a close winnable game. McNabb will probably sign somewhere else after that one.
Although, Shannarat might sign him to carry the clipboard knowing the Raiders have filed a grievance agiinst Russell. Then refuse to pay it.
I am kind of interested in what happens with Grove. But then the age old question, whose roster spot?
H
Let me get this straight.
Shanarat calls Mcnabe fat and lazy, then turns around and gives fat and lazy Russell a workout ?
Gary,
Why shouldn't Raider fans that were critical of the team the past 7 seasons, rejoice now that they are winning ?
Why do you think we were critical in the first place. This is what we wanted all along...Winning.
Mission accomplished.
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What is it, exactly, that I was wrong about?
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I stated it 4 months ago, and I will state it again here... you have been whining so much about all the shitty decisions the management has made so often that your entire reputation is precluded on the Raiders sucking ass this season.
Now that they aren't your trying to pretend none of it happened (gosh... whodathunkit).
I bet you created 300 posts here since last year whining about the direction of this team.
If you don't think you were wrong about anything... then you have personal issues I could only imagine the people in RL have to deal with.
At any rate... I doubt anyone is enjoying our childish pissing match... I will quietly watch you continue to pretend you saw this coming all alone... I will know the truth.
Kinda like RT and his symbolic space-ship... like nobody could have predicted this team could suddenly play so well!! The Raiders suddenly fell down from space and corrected all their problems!!
Nope... its been happening since the day Cable took over... many of us have been saying it ALL ALONG.
And we all got treated like the
village idiots for it... now you wonder why you aren't as welcome in our party?? Fuck off asshole... you can have the last word.
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Gary,
Why shouldn't Raider fans that were critical of the team the past 7 seasons, rejoice now that they are winning ?
Why do you think we were critical in the first place. This is what we wanted all along...Winning.
Mission accomplished.
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Uhh many of us have noticed the small incremental changes for TWO YEARS NOW... and begged for patience. Many of us saw how the me-first players were slowly and incrementally being replaced with players like Seymore... and what do we get in return??? People whining about losing a draft pick... and treated like the village idiot for not ALSO whining about him.
You were the first one here to whine and moan after every loss... now you think you deserve the right to be the first one here to cheer every win?
Why is that exactly?
Explain this to me?
Like I am supposed to respect someone that suddenly stopped beating his wife or something.
Hey... thanx for nothing asshole!
12:47 PM
Oh man, here we go....they knew it all along. SUUUURRREEEE. Why just a couple of weeks ago Panty was saying how he just didn't know why the team looked so bad. Gary was complaining too. But, they go to sainthood by their own declaration of WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG. First of all, this isn't done yet, if Al decides to stick his fingers back in the pie, this could all be a mirage. Seymour contributed very little up to the last 2 games. I have got the feeling that this coaching staff have done what Gruden's had done, that was to take away Al and his meddling of game plans. The defense plays nothing like the Al Davis scheme we have all known to dislike. Pressure from fans and coaches alike have caused a change in Raiderland, it still hasn't been proven if it will continue. I am very hopeful it has but could easily slide back to where it was. One thing PR and Gary have proven is, they don't really know, but they sure play the part.
JONES
RANDY MOSS IS NOT A RAIDER!!!! REPEAT: RANDY MOSS IS NOT A RAIDER!!!!! LET'S CELEBRATE RAIDER NATION!!!!
Buffalo Bills 11/3 Shawne Merriman (LB) acquired from waivers.
Tennessee Titans 11/3 Randy Moss (WR) acquired from waivers.
On this onging argument about who was right and who was wrong about the turnaround. I have a couple of things to say about that.
I don't give a rats ass who was or who wasn't. Also, we ain't there yet. Even with a win Sunday we are still 1/2 game behind and face Pittsburgh on the road coming out of the bye.
It is my belief that we have arrived at that point, but there is still work to be done.
My main thing is, if this is the real deal, then Coach Cable will be vendicated.
From the time he said, "I know how to fix this," until now he has suffered a lot of slings and arrows from media and fans alike.
But, he never waivered, never backed up, and never buckled to pressure.
All the coaches on the current staff were either there when he took over or they were coaches he worked with in the past. Yet, the media continued to imply he had no say.
If the pattern set in three of the last four games continues, it is Cable that will deserve the last laugh and no one else. But, seeing the kind of man he is, I doubt he will take it.
H
"H"...
I agree 100% on all accords...
#1...We knew we saw improvement and we hyped it...That's a matter of record so that can't be diminished by anyone's habitual denial...That's just stupid child's play...
#1...The corner being turned does not signify a complete recovery...We are in recovery and just how far we improve is yet to be determined...
#3...Coach Cable should get "Coach of the Year" considerations and win it if this team continues as the last 3 weeks portray...
PantyRaider...Luv Them Raiders!!!/_
I agree H.
JONES
Gary said: “I stated it 4 months ago, and I will state it again here... you have been whining so much about all the shitty decisions the management has made so often that your entire reputation is precluded on the Raiders sucking ass this season.”
Precluded, preceded, predicated, preposterous... they all start with “P”.
Gary said: “Now that they aren't your trying to pretend none of it happened (gosh... whodathunkit).”
That’s vaguely specific.
Gary, you seem to want a pound of flesh from me because the Raiders were for seven years perennial losers, and just this year have demonstrated they may be putting together the pieces requisite of competitive football.
You feel the need for me to acknowledge your “I told you so?” Well, I’m not buying it. IMO, you haven’t typed an intelligent word since you’ve been here. Your recent assessment of having Moss on the team as being akin to (screwing) a stripper for a few months speaks for itself.
I have acknowledged the Raiders sensible off-season, continuity of coaching, addition of an OC, smart draft, etc. What more have you done?
Do you want me to reiterate all the decisions I disagreed with over the past seven years, and some I still do? What will that accomplish? The bottom line has always been winning. Why can’t you accept that? I am on board with kicking ass and taking names later.
Unlike you, I have no agenda regarding this exchange with you. I am happy to celebrate the Raiders new found success, with or without you.
You would think with the Raiders winning we would have more common ground. But I guess not.
Well said, H.
"#1...We knew we saw improvement and we hyped it...That's a matter of record so that can't be diminished by anyone's habitual denial...That's just stupid child's play..."
You were saying the same thing during Turner, Kiffin, Shell....like H said, isn't done yet, so beating your chest just shows how UNhumble you are.
JONES
Hey Jones,
Is this a sign of the apocalypse, you and me agreeing on something?
Turning a corner is one thing. Climbing that hill to the end of the next block is another matter.
H
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Your recent assessment of having Moss on the team as being akin to (screwing) a stripper for a few months speaks for itself.
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I take it you have never screwed a stripper.
Trust me... its not bad!
Ok... I said you could have the last word but couldn't resist.
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One thing PR and Gary have proven is, they don't really know, but they sure play the part.
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I saw McFadden looking special, and the defense improving as of game 3. The quotes are posted.
I admit I was dismayed by the coaching and QBing... but that all seems to have been fixed lately too.
Now what exactly were YOU right about?
This isn't necessarily a slam because I don't read many of your posts... but what will convince me that you deserve to be anything besides "glad to be wrong."
A total egotistical idiot pimping humility is the lie of all lies....NO TRUTH you at all!!!!....
Gary....+ 1,000...
As I pointed out before his agenda is to invite joy killing childish arguments and than point a "Finger-Post" at one of us for what we reply in retaliation to his childish stupidity while he again moves those "Rubber Walls" in his "Duck-Bob-n-Weave" tactics of total denial...Or what I refer to as "Lies of the Liar"....
Hell!...Even when I proceeded to avoid the stupid bitch he continued to throw his stanky damn "Road Apple" shitballs at me....He is just a punk who's all about inciting conflict to rob the Raider Joy from the positive few while he suffers in disparity...
Than he attempts to play the "SupperFan" role when we all know he was part of the "AntiFan" along with his shit for brains shadow....
The "Crier" will always find a way to cry and to drag others into his despair......
"RT"...
I made an attempt to help avoid some of this crap and assist in cleaning up this board but now I must regretfully inform you that I will no longer be a standing target for this continued childish "BS"....
A "Bitch" is a "Bitch" and a "Punk" is a "Punk" so be it...And a damn "Liar" is a damn "liar"...
Plenty of rewarding things to consider and all this board gets is more of the same childish tripe from the childish "Bitches" that enjoy inciting it...
"CJ"....
If you don't leave me confrontations like this crap there wont be any need for retaliation...
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PR - Why you insist on rewriting history and dumping on Gruden is beyond me.
Gruden NEVER quit on the Raiders. He left the Raiders for 1 reason and 1 reason only:
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Than you proceed to ignore/deny all the evidence to the contrary...
Look...You know that if you get square with me I will stand toe to toe and duke it out and that I have the ammo to do it...You already know that...So why send those damn "DeadHorse" Prancing Ponies past my barricade so I have to dig out that "45-70" and blow their damn legs off again and again...Just let'em die Bro...
And by the way...Each time I have to go dig up more old rotten ammo I save it to file so it can be used again and again if need be...
PantyRaider...Kill Gruden's Damn Prancing Pony!!!/_
Many Raider fans were rightfully disappointed with the ineptitude of the past 7 years and the 1st 4 games of this season (1-3).
There is absolutely no need to apologize for expressing this disappointment. Our newfound success and rejoicing is based on the past 4 weeks. The past 2 weeks has been a VERY pleasant suprise.
In my book, there is nothing more childish than laying claim to who should be celebrating our recent turning of the corner.
When you boil it all down, ALL Raider fans want the Raiders to win or why else would the fan be following the team?
PR - Your "ammo" is nothing but empty shells. Your comparison of Gruden to Moss is complete bullshit and you know it. Even BR pulled up an article from the Chronicle that backs up my statement 100%:
From the Chronicle article:
"Further, it is believed, Gruden wanted language in his contract explicitly allowing him to hire and fire all the assistant coaches and to have some measure of control in player personnel decisions. He also wanted the Raiders, whose loose-knit organizational structure, with everyone reporting to Davis, is a throwback to a much simpler time in pro football, to modernize and restructure. All those things are standard in most head-coaching contracts."
Here's the deal PR. Gruden and the Raiders had all the details to the contract ironed out to include control over the coaching staff and personnel. When it came time for him to put his "John Handcock" on the actual contract, this language was omitted. The fact that he left the organization AFTER getting the carpet pulled out from him and AFTER tirelessly building a SB contender is HARDLY "quitting" or "spitting on the shield".
I stand by this 1000% no matter how many times you fire your pop gun.
I also stand by my belief that bringing Moss back (moot point now) would have been the ultimate FU to the Raider Nation.
PR said: "Plenty of rewarding things to consider and all this board gets is more of the same childish tripe from the childish "Bitches" that enjoy inciting it..."
Yes, it is a shame we can't just talk football here.
Let me put it in terms you'll understand. Who ever smelt it, dealt it.
Look no further than yourself, and the truth shall set you free.
I believe this boards is intended for Raider fans, not online patients of Dr. Ruth and Dr. Phil.
NO "CJ" you ignoring crucial language...
It does not say the contract ever contained such language nor that Mr Davis would ever even consider giving such a thing up...He would NOT...It says explicitly that that's what Gruden was demanding...
It further states that Bruce Allan attempted to present such a contract to Mr Davis and it was denied...Refused...Not worthy of consideration...And he as "HC" also wanted to dictate the structure of the organization he worked for now how freakin stupid is that....
NO one in their right mind would believe that Mr Davis would have even considered giving up control of his organization that way to a "HC" for crying out loud...NOT even you...And Bruce Allan was still there as "Chief Executive" but this damn "HC" is going to dictate restructuring of the front office...How freakin obscured...
I posted a whole line of URLs and obviously you failed to read them or get the sense of what was being published...
PantyRaider...Not Even You Could Believe Such Total Unjustified Tripe!!!/_
"NYR"...
your the most childish insolent idiot I have ever had the displeasure to read...Your IQ couldn't possibly even be + positive...
Not opening the "Moss" door, even the slightest crack, shows the Raiders are holding true to their strategy to rid themeselves of a losing culture to which Moss contributed when he was here. Perhaps we are seeing a sound team model in the making.
The problem some folks here seem to have is that they don't understand that solutions don't become solutions until they yield results.
"And "CJ" I did NOT compare Gruden -n- Moss in any other way they how they acted towards the Raiders and their contacts...
So now you are justifying your "GoldenBoy"s refusal to continue putting his heart into a "HC" job while remaining under contract with a year left because your supposed "Contract Extension Language" was altered...Is that what you are advocating here now...
I see...So if you recruit a corporate executive and he has a legitimate binding agreed upon contact and negotiations commence on an extension of said contract and words he wants are omitted than he has full recourse to shit on that organization and stop doing his freakin job...Is that right!!!...
Damn!!...The double standards here are just freakin amazing!!!...
PantyRaider...I Think You Need To reconsider Your Stance On This One!!!/_
PR -
Somebody had to be that person. Might as well be me.
Must be H, I agree with you again. I just hope the winning keeps coming, if it continues, we all win. Hey, I'm with any Raider fan as long as we are all fighting for the good of the team. It's the posers who don't care about football, it's about themselves, maybe we can just call them Randy?
JONES
The problem some folks here seem to have is that they don't understand that solutions don't become solutions until they yield results.
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What kindergarten class did that one come from...
Do you even understand what a "Solution" is...
–noun
1.
the act of solving a problem, question, etc.: The situation is approaching solution.
2.
the state of being solved: a problem capable of solution.
3.
a particular instance or method of solving; an explanation or answer: The solution is as good as any other.
How do you define this...
We tried that solution but failed...
it was a failed solution...
That solution worked in other instance but failed to produce good results when applied to the situation...
But it was still a "Solution" to the problem regardless of the results seen...
Good "Solution" as opposed to Bad "Solution"...Did the bad one cease to be a "Solution"????...
Get your crayon so I can draw ya a freakin pictorial...
Your not even intelligent enough to post a legitimate insult you moron...
"I see...So if you recruit a corporate executive and he has a legitimate binding agreed upon contact and negotiations commence on an extension of said contract and words he wants are omitted than he has full recourse to shit on that organization and stop doing his freakin job...Is that right!!!..."
How did Gruden stop doing his job? As far as I am concerned, the Raiders are the winners in New England and they would have gone to the Bowl. Is it Gruden's fault that the league ROBBED the team of what was rightfully theirs? So he didn't quit doing his job, this is the point that you really seem to have a hard time comprehending. I know such an old man who has been bonked severely on the noodle isn't what he used to be, but this one is very clear.....move on.
JONES
"CJ"...
And furthermore as the articles pointed out Gruden refused to dispel the rumors early in the month of Dec 4th to 9th "01" that he was in fact entertaining job possibilities as "HC" of the Irish while still having a year left on his contract with The Raiders.....Now this is the same type of crap that you want to annihilate Mr Davis for but you will pat your "GoldenBoy" on the back for it...Refusal to dispel rumors that disrupt the team...
Furthermore....The "SnowJob" was played 01/19/01 and these news "Rag" articles appeared on the 22nd just days later while word of this had already been leaking out prior to the end of the season....Speculations were already in progress...There was already a "Smoking Gun" detected but this was just when it was made official....
Go back and look at our records...We lost 3 out of 5 games during that month as Gruden was leaving his status in the air...Players said he was laying down on the team in early Dec...We were 11-n-5 but 3 of the losses were after Gruden was reportedly looking elsewhere...
You condone that crap!!!....
PantyRaider....Unbelievable!!!/_
"Hey... thanx for nothing asshole!"
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Gary, for years, you have come to this board and told Raider fans they cannot be unhappy with losing.
Now, you are saying, we cannot be happy about winning.
That only leaves us to be a fan like you, Gary. Someone who is equally happy about winning, or losing.
But I believe it is never a good idea to accept losing.
So I reject your way of thinking.
So to you Gary, a happy winner, and a happy loser, I say...
Your welcome.
"Go back and look at our records...We lost 3 out of 5 games during that month as Gruden was leaving his status in the air...Players said he was laying down on the team in early Dec...We were 11-n-5 but 3 of the losses were after Gruden was reportedly looking elsewhere..."
The team also lost 4 in a row the next year, doesn't mean the HC was giving up on the team, does it? Where is the proof that the players said Gruden gave up on the team? Show player quotes saying Gruden quit on them.
JONES
Nothing official from the Raiders, but the word is tickets are moving briskly with the help of a 2-for-1 ticket offer, leaving open the possibility the 11-game blackout streak could end.
Now that should be pleasing to all who posted concerns over the way tickets sales were handled...That basically equals a half/price sale if your friend is paying his share...I hope it continues when I finally get to "OakTown" for a game...SLO for now as of this morning...
Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski took some snaps with the first team offense along with Jason Campbell, although the walk-throughs did not call for him to throw anything more than a medium-depth pass at much less than peak velocity.
— Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski continues to progress and a decision regarding his availability to start, Cable said, would probably be Friday.
My projections:
I look for Jake Grove to be signed and be with the team threw the bye period...It makes sense..."Veld" is working very well at "LT"...Grove can have "StupidMario"s roster spot....Also Grove was instrumental in the blacking 2 seasons ago that led to a top 5 rushing attack that fell off when he was lost...
"JC" will start this week with "Ski" available as #2...During the bye we get everyone healthy for the last Ha-Rah!!!...Anybodies guess who will start against "Pitts" but "Ski" has the legs to neutralize that pass rush...
PantyRaider...This Is A Big One -n- The Players Feel It!!!/_
The rumors involving Gruden going to Notre Dame were just that rumors.
Laying down the last month? Huh? You mean beating the Jets 38-24 in the playoffs and getting robbed of a victory over the Pats is "laying down". Are you implying that Gruden and the players didn't give 100% effort to reaching the SB? Complete rubbish (as usual).
rewriting history ...
pimping for Moss ...
throwing Gruden under the bus ...
Yep, PR, you are priceless!
I'm learning to take your posts as nothing more than amusing fodder.
You don't like my Spaceship? I think it's pretty cool. It will land on the 50-yard-line this Sunday.
Well put, Raider00 ;)
You don't merit demanding anything bitch!!!...
01/21/02
The issue is relevant because the Raiders' head coach, now officially a lame duck, has become linked to yet another job, this time in Tampa. Reports are that Al Davis is unhappy about the late-season collapse and puts part of the blame on the fact that it took place right about the time the rumors about Notre Dame and other openings began to swirl around Gruden. Furthermore, Davis reportedly wouldn't be against cutting a deal to let Gruden go with a year left on his contract, in return for compensation.
A new contract, both men must know, is the only thing that will stop the constant whispering for good. That works in Gruden's favor, which (if the reports are true) would be more than enough reason for it to push Davis to the brink of dealing away Gruden.
PantyRaider...All Too easy!!!/_
So a mediot who's assertion that Al was blaming Gruden because of N.D rumors is your proof of players saying he quit on them? I thought you said we should never trust the mediots? What's that? Oh, I get it, only when you want to use it as proof, then the mediots rumors are true, oh, I get it.
JONES
This tidbit from J-Mac should help put this week's game into perspective:
"Only three players on the roster _ punter Shane Lechler, kicker Sebastian Janikowski and right tackle Langston Walker _ have played a game in November with the kind of implications the Chiefs game has Sunday.
Even the Wall Street Journal is talking about the Chiefs matchup.
NYRaider,
It also shows how much an NFL roster turns over in 7-8 years.
Well, once again it appears some in the media got it all wrong. All those who were sure Moss would wind up in Oakland just don’t get it. Cable doesn’t want Moss types on the team.
Sure, he was non committal and didn’t say anything negative about Moss in the press conferece.
If the quotes I read were verbatim then there was a short three word sentence that said it all:
Q: So, you’re saying there’s a chance?
Cable: Well, I wouldn’t. (plus another sentence about players that might help the team)
In other words, he wouldn’t be on board with it.
I say all this because if I understand the waiver process we had a shot at Moss before the Thumbtacks. Which means we took a pass.
For Sunday we will be the best rushing team the Chefs have played all season. The same was true for the Sea Chickens. If we can run for 120 – 140 they are very beatable.
At the same time our defense needs to keep them under 150 rushing. That’s a high number, but that is their offense. Even as well as they are running the ball they rank 32 in passing. Not very good balance.
So far they have only topped 200 yards passing once. We are going to have to load up on first and second downs for the run and turn our speed rushers loose on third. Against the Buffalo Chips (I actually watched most of that game) they tried to roll Cassel out a lot so Wimbley and Houston need to be ready. Even with that they only put up 140 passing.
They have two good rookie return men so I would use Mitchell heavy on special teams. And, I’d give him a shot on a safety blitz or two. I like Javier Arenas a lot, but this week he is wearing the wrong shade of red. It ain’t Crimson.
H
The fact about Gruden is this, he was traded, he didn't leave. AL TRADED HIM!
Why? Because of rumors swirling about Gruden wanting another gig. These rumors all take place (on the coaches part) to give him leverage in negotiation. Davis' approach to it was this, "You wanna leave? OK! You're now in Tampa Bay." The funny thing is, it happened after Bruce Allen was canned, and he went to Tampa. Good job Al. (re-read with sarcasm).
I don't blame Gruden for what he did at all. He was trying to maximize his position with the Raiders, and got pushed off the bus. To say anything else is misinformation.
BTW, RT I love the ship.
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So far they have only topped 200 yards passing once. We are going to have to load up on first and second downs for the run and turn our speed rushers loose on third.
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My biggest concern is we have won 3 of 4 vs pass heavy teams (SD, Den, Sea) but lost to most of the rush heavy teams... (Tenn, Hous, SF).
I think its mostly because our secondary spends so much time worrying about the run that they keep getting burned by the pass with run heavy teams (not to mention the dbl whammy of still giving up the occasional long runs).
They remain more focused against pass-heavy teams.
The key to KC is staying FOCUSED and not overreacting. Any team with NE coaching staff is going to take advantage of overreactions... this is where discipline needs to be first and foremost in their minds. The coaching staff has their hands full here because this is a very young team amped up with excitement playing their first meaningful game.
Very scary...
One thing that just popped out to me and should have been quite evident.
Richard Seymour has been a much greater and better influence on Tommy Kelly than Warren "The Mouth" Sapp ever was.
This is a prime example of why you avoid the TO and Moss types in spite of how young your receivers are.
Sapp is pimping himself for the Hall of Fame. Seymour was asked about him being a HOF player and he responded (I'm paraphrasing caues I don't have the quote in front of me):
"No. If it do it with another team, become a force, a leader and we win, then maybe."
Now, that's a guy I'd want in my foxhole.
Sapp was practicing his pose for his bust while he was still in Tampa. He just took the gig with us to pad his stats some more.
With all the new bodies on the front seven it appears to have taken a few games for them to gel and Seymour is leading the way.
Also Wimbley is lighting things up. On one of his sacks instead of spinning to the outside, he saw a hole up the middle and spun to the inside and Hasselback never saw him comming.
H
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But I believe it is never a good idea to accept losing.
So I reject your way of thinking.
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Theres a balance to everything in life... I am not going to try and overreact to winning and I also not going to try and overreact to losing.
Just seems kinda odd a person so completely convinced this organization is broken beyond repair... and that this entire season is completely fucked after just a few games... now seems to thing everything is just fine and dandy!!
It kinda gives me a nose bleed!
Could you at LEAST say something like "glad to be wrong" or something instead of beating your chest and pretending you weren't acting like 5-11 was a certainty?
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nyraider said...
Yes, it is a shame we can't just talk football here.
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PFFFFFTTTTtttt!
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In my book, there is nothing more childish than laying claim to who should be celebrating our recent turning of the corner.
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You're right... I should just pretend that I wasn't repeatedly treated like the village idiot here for suggestion the franchise was fine and this team was looking good.
I should just smile and watch you all try to sweep all of that under the rug!
Yup... I should, shouldn't I?
I will work on it... wink.
Thanks my friends!!! You're all just ACES!!
Gary,
"My biggest concern is we have won 3 of 4 vs pass heavy teams (SD, Den, Sea) but lost to most of the rush heavy teams... (Tenn, Hous, SF)."
That may be true but, I think that we will see an expanded roll for Mitchell this week. He's been touted as the most imporved player on defense the past month.
He'll get his shot in the big nickel. He's shown an ability to cover the tight end also.
With the strong possibility of Nnamdi being out, he'll see the field more often than usual. Huff will be needed more in pass defense so Mitchell will be the missile in run defense.
My only concern in that scenario is he will make a clean hard hit and still get flagged.
H
Gary, you are anything but "balanced," as you claim.
Somebody please thank Gary for all his hard work so we can move along.
The advantages we have might be hurt with Asum out... because I think both teams are going to try and stop the run at all costs, and let either Campbell, or Casell beat em.
Statistically we have a HUGE advantage here because we are ranked 5th vs the pass, and KC is ranked 25th.
But thats with Asum taking away 1/3 of the field. Can CJ and Routt step it up and have their best games of the year? Can we have some safety help?
The secondary looked outstanding the last two weeks vs pass-only teams, can they do it vs a run-first team?
Should be an interesting game!
Nice to see some national press pimping the game... with even a small segment on it coming out of halftime of the Sunday night prime time game!
Ok... I will allow everyone that has been punching me in the mouth the last 6 months to join in on the excitement! It seems everyone thinks its something easy to do... soooo... here we go...
LETS LIGHT THIS CANDLE!!
Take,
You mentioned the spread in your take. Current spread is 3.
The bookies aren't ready to show any love.
H
Yeah, it hasn't moved. The Asomugha news surely isn't helping.
Even non-gamblers probably know that 3 points are automatic for the home team, so that's like saying it's a pick-em on neutral turf (see Raiders 2-for-1 ticket promotion).
Despite blowouts in the last two games, there doesn't appear to be a lot of faith in the Raiders by the gambling community.
In this game, the Chiefs have a chance to gain real separation within the division.
For the Raiders, this is the most important game they'll play since the Super Bowl. It's for a stake in the division and a chance to compete for a playoff spot.
Obviously, that's minus 3 points for the home team.
Gary,
If Raiders finish this season, from a solid 8-8, to a playoff appearance. I will gladly say I was wrong about the direction it seemed to be headed in after the first 5 games.
And I will give you credit right now for being ridiculously optimistic, in the face of the last 7 horrible seasons.
But the idea that anyone really saw this turn around coming, I just do not buy.
The Raiders had just waived their , so called, franchise Qb, after 3 lackluster seasons.
Mcfadden, though talented, had spent more time in the trainers room, than on the field.
(BTW, I did blog recently, that Mcfads success had opened my eyes to give DHB a longer look.)
In the off season, the Raiders traded for Qb, Jason Campbell, not Payton Manning.
So am I thrilled that all the pieces are falling into place ? Yes.
Did I see it coming ? No.
Were you optimistic the whole time ? Yes.
Did you really see this coming ? I don't think so.
Good points, Raider00.
Think too, the two games won in remarkable fashion were with a backup QB who was brought in to be the starting QB, but failed to retain that job. It's been weeks since we've seen the designated starter. So, essentially, not even the coaches know the true identity of this team... yet some here claim to have had it figured out a long time ago.
RaiderNate75...
"He was trying to maximize his position with the Raiders, and got pushed off the bus."
In the circumstance of what took place this may be correct...Hard to know what was on his mind or up his sleeve but it failed if his intention was to hold himself a ransom with the Raiders...It succeeded if his intent was to get traded....
The simple reported fact is it was Gruden who did the pushing threw his agent while he still had a year left on his contract...His demands for power-$$$$-n-restructuring the organization with Al Davis out of the loop were a definite maneuver to get himself pushed off that bus...No way in hell any of that was going to happen...
$3mil/yr for 5 seasons were all that was on the table...That got reduced to $2.5mil for 3 seasons -w- an option clause for the Raiders....Gruden's declaration was "I Ain't Signing Again" so the options became very limited and the trade took place....
Gruden reportedly got $17.5mil from "TB" -n- the power he craved...We got $$$$ -n- draft picks that failed to pan out...So to say Al Davis won is a little narrow minded....I never argued that...What I argued is that Gruden was under contract and he spit on the shield and abandoned the team/players/fans -n- his obligations for the $$$$-n-Power he craved...
PantyRaider....That's A Matter Of Record!!!!/_
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Gary,
If Raiders finish this season, from a solid 8-8, to a playoff appearance. I will gladly say I was wrong about the direction it seemed to be headed in after the first 5 games.
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Fair enough... I'm just happy to see you less of an insufferable dickhead.
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So am I thrilled that all the pieces are falling into place ? Yes.
Did I see it coming ? No.
Were you optimistic the whole time ? Yes.
Did you really see this coming ? I don't think so.
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Only because of the QB and coaching problems early... oh, and I've already admitted I was wrong about McF. But I did identify the systematic changes being made all along. Something most of the IAAFers either ignored or flat out denied. I don't know if you were one of the people here calling for a NEW COACH just a few weeks ago... but I saw it with my own eyes.
I mean good gawd... the team was playing hard every minute of every game on both sides of the football to that point... thats most of a HCs job right there.
These are the things are frustrating to me.
Can you see where I am coming from here?
Raider00...
You left out some key aspects as to why we could see this turn around coming...
#1..."DeathRo" drafted in the 1st...
#2...Houston in the 2nd...
#3...2 "OT"s and neither were taken as gambles in the 1st...
#4...New "OLB"s...
#5...Henderson at "DT"...
#6...Return of "DL" coach from Gruden era...
#7..."OC"....This was the big one...We got one and a damn good one at that...
#8...Maturing of past picks as they gained experience...
#9...Consistency/Stability at "HC" despite the record and the "Mediot"s pimping his release...
#10...Faith..."The assured expectations of things hoped for though not yet seen"...Al Davis knows how to reconstruct a football team...
So in retrospect YES we could see this turn around coming and we posted as such...Did we see it the same as it has occurred...Obviously not even in our wildest dreams...But we saw it on the near horizon none the less...
PantyRaider...Not Gary -n- I Alone But -w- "H" -n- "BR" -n- ????/_
#11...Change in attitude of the team -n- players...
Now that's a big one...
H:
"Well, once again it appears some in the media got it all wrong. All those who were sure Moss would wind up in Oakland just don’t get it. Cable doesn’t want Moss types on the team."
It's not that they don't get it. When you've been selling a notion that Davis pulls every string, it just gets very difficult to suddenly argue that Cable's making decisions. So it's not that they don't get it, they've just painted themselves into a corner.
Gary said: "But I did identify the systematic changes being made all along. Something most of the IAAFers either ignored or flat out denied. I don't know if you were one of the people here calling for a NEW COACH just a few weeks ago... but I saw it with my own eyes."
Wow! Somebody is too full of himself to keep his own promise to back off his self-fulfilling prophecy.
He’s so concerned about our acknowledging this self-professed brilliance, he’s totally ignored the real players who would be responsible for any Raiders turnaround.
Gary is obviously far less concerned about Davis and Cable getting any credit than his constant insistence that we give all the credit to him.
Get over yourself Gary.
Nobody actually believes you had anything to do with the Raiders recent success.
Besides, constantly patting yourself on the back and telling everyone else “I told you so” is not an admirable quality.
Try and save what (very) little respect you have left on this board and STFU already!
Talk about having very little respect..."NYR" you are completely void of it...You can't show it now do you merit it...And you have the nerve to question someone else after all your attempt to make things personal...
Totally Sickening/Disgusting!!!...
"BR"...
Admiringly I was wrong right along with the rest but for a far different motive...I want to win and am willing to do that with just about any weapon that gives us an extra edge while they were trying once again to drive a spike in the Raiders only visible eye...The other being under a patch....
Cable has definitely been a man of his word and you have to admire-n-respect that....Despite what temptations may arise he stays the course even in the face of injury...Now that's admirable...Quite different than what is happening with the "Rat" in "DC"...
So for me it's easy to move on without "NoMoss" taking up a roster spot -w- nary a temptation to look back at his stats in Tenn...
Speculation:
Had "Roids" fallen past the "Bills" into our laps do you believe we would have pulled that trigger...
PantyRaider..."Roids" Will be Available As "FA" After Chilling 8 Weeks In The Hell hole That Is Buffalo!!!/_
and the biggest reason why the defense is so dominant the last couple games is.....drum roll......figure that one out Waste. The defense, up until the last couple games was playing like it always had, the reason for the turn around has been a dominant defense, IF this turn around is going to continue, the defense MUST play the way it has the last 2 games. IF it does not and goes back to passive defense, this turning the corner could turn into another hairpin and some more babysteps. THE SCHEME has been changed and the results are clear. Al Davis needs to bite his lip and leave it as is, if he sticks his will on the defense, we will be back to bitching again. That is what has turned this corner, let's just hope Al doesn't put it back in reverse.
JONES
Crier - a person who weeps, ie: weeper
hawker, packman, peddler, pedlar, pitchman - someone who travels about selling his wares (as on the streets or at carnivals)
Yes you are...
"NYR" the Crying "Pitchman"...
How he loves to cry
Raiders win
Find a new pitch
He was right
Crier was wrong
Twisting in reverse
He wants the credit
Pat on the back
Well deny him any at all
How can he be praised
Crier get's none?
Animosity now to pitch
You didn't know
Crazy guess
Humble your not
Pimping yourself
No respect
Crier denies it all
New chapter is turned but the crier remains in despair...Not able to move forward in progress while another has earned the lead...Must treat with disdain any positive refection upon the past...Undermine anything good by cloaking it with disparaging cries...The "Crying Pitchman" destroys the joy...If he can't enjoy it than neither shall we!!!!...
PantyRaider...True To Your Form!!!/_
Blanda,
Cable may not be making the final decisions. But, he sure as hell seems to be making some very strong arguments in getting what he wants.
H
Jones what scheme do you speak about. We play a fore three. Maybe you need to learn the game before you speak. I think you never played the game.
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Besides, constantly patting yourself on the back and telling everyone else “I told you so” is not an admirable quality.
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I'd be saying this too if I had embarrassingly demanded a COACHING CHANGE just two weeks ago.
"H"...Very good point...
There is always that stupid argument about who did what instead of just acknowledging that the Raiders did well...It's a team effort and always has been...Only the "IAAF"er who post Al wears all the hats are have a problem with this...For the rest it's just business as usual with some damn good result for a change...
PantyRaider...No Magical Mystery Just Good Decisions That Are Working Well!!!/_
Anno 6:32...
I guarantee that fool never played this game or any other for that matter...He's just an idiot trying to stir the pot and diminish the value in what the Raiders are accomplishing...Than every time someone points out his stupidity he results to "Wiki" and totally misinterprets what is said while tying to justify his stupidity...
Total Joke!!!...
Now watch...That dumb bastard will come in with some stupid misrepresentation to justify his stupidity...He can't resist!!!...
PantyRaider...It's A Set-Up!!!/_
"this is a man's game", Anno......
You can't even spell it right, so what do you know? Anybody and I mean anybody who follows football knows the Raiders have played safety deep, man on man, no stunting, no blitzing, 4 man rush. Is this what the Raiders defense have been playing in these 2 blowouts?
A passive scheme was the norm, now it's full out ATTACK, constant blitzing and stunting. Forcing the other team into mistakes instead of waiting for mistakes.
Scheme is different than formation. You might figure that out one day, good luck.
JONES
Football Schemes 101
We have been playing the 4-3 "M-to-M" -w- some zone packages mixed in and we have been playing in the 5-2 "Big Nickle" at times also this season...
http://www.football-defense.com/the-5-best-defensive-schemes-for-2010/
Now watch that fool try to justify some stupid shit...
PantyRaider...Now This Is Hilarious!!!/_
Coach Can't resist!!!...
Defense Blitzes
Pass Blitz - Defensive Pass Rush
When a four-man rush does not consistently get to the quarterback, a team can employ a blitz package.
Blitzes happen when 5 or more defensive players rush the passer. The idea is to overwhelm the offenses’s blockers, free one or more blitzers to sack the quarterback.
There are a variety of blitzes. Some of the more famous defensive blitz schemes of the past and present include the 46-blitz scheme, the Zone Blitz and many other variations.
All defenses have blitz packages, so standard 4-3 and 3-4 defenses will include blitzes to get to the passer in certain situations. Even conventional 3-4 defenses might employ zone blitz plays, where an unlikely defender drops back in coverage and lets quicker players come forward to rush the passer from surprising locations.
The Zone Blitz
The Zone Blitz came into vogue in the 1990′s, mainly on the strength of such defensive success as the Pittsburgh Steelers and Carolina Panthers. The Zone Blitz depends on unpredictability to create mismatches.
A defensive lineman might drop back into pass coverage, leaving a blocker with no one to block. At the same time, a safety or cornerback might blitz in from the other side of the line, forcing the lineman to spring across the pocket to block a much faster player.
Like many blitzes, the zone blitz depends on overloading one side of the field, creating situations where there are simply not enough blockers to cover a blitz along one part of the line.
The zone blitz creates holes in the defense when teams surprisingly run the ball. Also, the zone blitz sometimes puts defensive linemen and linebackers in mismatch situations in coverage. On the positive side, the zone blitz seems to give the largest, most immobile offensive lines big problems.
The idea is to create mismatches and force the action, hoping a hurried quarterback will not be able to exploit the mismatches the zone blitzes create on defense.
Larger offensive lines tend to have trouble with the Zone Blitz, because it requires these large linemen to move in order to complete their blocks. For instance, the Dallas Cowboys, known to employ one of the largest lines in the past 15 years, traditionally have had trouble with the Zone Blitz. The Troy Aikman-led won Super Bowl XXX, but had trouble moving the ball against the Pittsburgh Steelers zone blitz.
The next season, the Cowboys were ousted from the playoffs by the Carolina Panthers and the zone blitz schemes of Dom Capers. Years later, Dom Capers would stifle the Cowboys again with the zone blitz, when his expansion Houston Texans won the first regular season game in Texans franchise history against the Dallas Cowboys, who were still employing a larger offensive line.
46 Defense
The 46 Defense was used to great effect in the 1980′s by Buddy Ryan, when he was the defensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears and the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. The defense used asymmetric defensive alignments to disrupt normal blocking assignments on offense.
For instance, the two defensive tackles on and the strongside defensive end would line up opposite the offense’s center and two guards. Because trapping guards were such a big part of offenses in the Eighties, this forced teams away from some of their bread-and-butter plays, because the guards had to account for the linemen opposite of them.
Meanwhile, the right defensive end (or weakside end) lined up outside of the left tackle, making it hard for the offense to double-team that end. Two linebackers lined up next to one another across from the right tackle and tight end (or strongside, as it would be).
The 46 alignment also called for blitzes up up to eight defenders, though five or six was mroe common. Cornerbacks played man-to-man, bump-and-run coverage. (Bump-and-run calls for the corner to get in the receiver’s face at the line of scrimmage and jam the receiver at the line of scrimmage.)
All of this combined to shut down the opponent’s running game and force offenses into long-yardage passing downs, where the blitz became more effective. Its weakness was in the passing game, as it forced corners into single coverage. If the offense could block the blitz for a split second, good quarterbacks could throw for big plays.
In the most famous match-up between the 46 Defense and a great quarterback, Dan Marino handed the ’85 Bears its only loss in an 18-1 campaign. The Dolphins employed 3- and 4-wide receiver sets, forcing Bears linebackers to move into the slot and cover slot receivers. This had predictable results.
In its day, the 46 Defense was the terror of the NFL. These days, with so many teams running the West Coast Offense, the 46 Defense is hardly ever used anymore (outside of an experiment with its one year by the Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator, Rex Ryan, son of Buddy Ryan.)
The West Coast Offense relies on short, quick passes. These negate blitzes by getting rid of the ball quickly, and calls on receivers to exploit mismatches and run after the catch.
Other Blitz Schemes
There are other blitz schemes out there, of course. The New England Patriots use a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense, which once again comes at the offense from different angles and relies on unpredictability.
So Moron...Answer me this:
What "Scheme" is the Non-Al Davis "D" running...
Ha! Ha!...Where the hell you gonna look that one up...
Check...
NO...Check-Mate!!!...
Still reading...Still searching...
Ha! Ha! You Lose!!!...
Still reading...Still searching...
Ha! Ha! You Lose!!!...
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Thursday that Jason Campbell would start the AFC West showdown against the Chiefs.
Cable said quarterback Bruce Gradkowski had improved but not to the point where he can “do everything he needs to do” to be the starting quarterback. He said it was yet to be determined if Gradkowski would be the backup or No. 3 quarterback.
This is a damn nice breakdown of how much we are getting out of this years draft crop...Their still growing into their positions but this class is a good one...
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/11/04/getting-beyond-the-rookie-wall/
PantyRaider...Some Things Are Progressing Rapidly!!!/_
This "Bar-Graph" says it all...
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010110710/2010/REG9/chiefs@raiders#tab:analyze
Talk about two teams in an almost mirror image of each other...This one will be hard fought in the trenches...
Good for the Raiders we go to the bye after...They go to the "MuleVally" where they traditionally have trouble winning especially after the "Smash Mouth" game they will be in this week...
PantyRaider...What Football Should Be!!!/_
Gary,
In your last 2 blogs directed at me, you refered to me as an "asshole, and, a "dickhead".
OK, the Raiders are winning, so it's all good.
But keep in mind that for 7 years, while the Raiders were winning 5 games or less, and you were telling everyone, everything was fine, you kind of looked like an asshole, and a dickhead too.
Something you should keep in mind while you continue your "Insufferable Gary Tour, 2010"
Still reading...Still searching...
Ha! Ha! You Lose!!!...
"this is a man's game", Anno......
I don't get it...Was that an insult of something lost in you weird mentality...
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Why the reference to this Anno...Are you stupid or something....
"YES"!!!...BrainDead!!!...
Cable? Come on now; he's been a terrible coach and unprofessional to boot. The X-factor here is Jackson. Cable is nothing more than a transitional coach.
Waste, you really are a waste, that bonk on th noggin really did some damage. Who is copy and pasting? You have no clue, a scheme can be used in many formations. A scheme can be changed for any formation. Like I have wrote many times, you can't reason with insane, so I'll just leave it at that.
JONES
AS far as the "this is a man's game"...that quote goes a couple years back and it was from you, Waste. You were basically telling me at the time to leave you alone cause you were into "a man's game" on this board to show your superiority. That I really didn't understand your complex GAME and I really shouldn't even try. Well Waste, you haven't progressed one inch, you still playin your "man's game" and I was just pointing it out to you. Can't reason with insane = YOU.
JONES
The big differences that I've noticed is how the defense has been employed the past few weeks to include the Chargers, Donkeys, and Sea Chickens games:
(1) Hardly any zone coverages and more pressing M2M; This is due to the sloppiness of our zone coverage, lack of practice time of the zone in the "work week", and getting burnt by SF. (Go with what you know and execute it)
(2) More twists, stunts, and different personnel used by the front four; T.Scott was moved back to DE and Wimbley has his hand in the dirt on obvious passing downs. The 3 man rotation of DEs has been dynamite.
(3) Selective blitzing especially on 3rd and longs; Branch has effectively blitzed from a wide array of angles.
(4) More "rallying to the ball"; the Raiders in the past few weeks have noticeably been getting more gang tackling.
Has the basic scheme been changed? IMO, yes & no. Mostly 4-3, M2M but a heavy emphasis on the big nickel on 3rd and 6+ yards.
Has the personnel been used in a more aggressive fashion? Absolutely. To me it is never about strictly the x's and o's but the mentality of the unit. If the D is playing aggressively, as a cohesive unit, and executing the game plan, good things will follow.
The soft "bend don't break" or proverbial "prevent D", has been changed to dictating the tempo and action and getting off the field.
"The soft "bend don't break" or proverbial "prevent D", has been changed to dictating the tempo and action and getting off the field."
And this is what the SCHEME IS. Formations are formations, scheme is how you carry out those formations. The Raiders have increased their run blitzes, DT stunts, safety and nickel blitzes, they are dictating to the offenses. Raiders are coming at you, forcing you, making you work harder than you want to.
They have turned from a dancing heavyweight to a Joe Frazier. Raiders now are forcing the QB by way of blitz and stunts = PRESSURE. The QB now has to make a split second decision or else he goes down. When the QB is not being blitzed and the 4 man rush is being stopped, he makes the plays. When he is forced to hurry his decision and be unsure = turnovers and sacks.
Playing the man to man with out pressure on the QB is NUTS. The Jets play an attacking scheme as do the Ravens. Other teams use bend and don't break like the Colts. In man to man heavy defenses, you have to be pressuring the QB or you are toast. This is SCHEME, formations do not make a scheme.
JONES
“I'd be saying this too if I had embarrassingly demanded a COACHING CHANGE just two weeks ago.”
Gary, somewhere in between the small cracks of your relentless self-adoration ("Insufferable Gary Tour, 2010" as 00 calls it), you have completely fabricated that I (A) wrote off the season and (B) called for Cable to be fired.
Completely false on both counts. Find me one post I said either... and you’ll have to do better than the Black Knight reference (which went completely over your head).
Onandon -
I’ll give you that Jackson might be the correct party to give credit here, but I have to disagree that Cable has not been professional. I’m not a huge Cable fan, but aside from a momentary lapse that resulted in a broken jaw, Cable has been nothing but professional (publicly). He has appeared to be unshakeable through every mess, starting with Kiffin. He has handled the pressures of being Raiders HC through the toughest times.
Maybe I’m overlooking something... or misunderstanding your reference.
Anon 6:32
A 4-3 is a base formation. What you run off it is the real scheme. Technically is a 4-3-4 but I guess they want me to do the math to come up with 11.
We play a 4-3 with tight man coverage. For years Tampa ran a 4-3 using zone (cover 2) coverage.
One thing I’ve noticed lately is depending on down and distance Marshall will use a big nickel sending in and extra safety instead of a corner back. The safety will try and read the tight end and either cover him or move up in run support, or blitz. It’s my guess this is part of the reason we have had fewer long runs on third down the last four games, and fewer for the season than past years. And, I swear I’ve seen an extra linebacker instead of a safety or corner.
In the second quarter Sunday in the big nickel Branch moved up and hid behind the linebackers then blitzed up the middle. Hassleback didn’t have time to set his feet. It was a similar call that got the fumble from Rivers in the fourth quarter. Except the blitz came from the left side.
SOB had a propensity for running a “sticks” formation on third and long. He would line up the linebackers at the first down marker and let the offense complete the pass in front of them or the RB would run free with blockers in front of him.
With all the new bodies on the front seven, they may just now be jelling. McClain is getting a handle on things and is making more of an impact. We have eight more games to find out if this is for real.
Now for some commentary. WHAT THE HELL WAS THE NFL NETWORK THINKING.
I watched a bit on the Top Ten Raiders of all time. Ted Hendricks was not on the list. Number one was a three way tie. Shell, Upshaw and Otto. I’ll buy that one. Which actually meant there were 12 on the list.
But, no Hendricks????? He was the epitome of a Raider defensive player of the time. Smart, tough and mildly insane.
Heck, I rank Ted in front of Howie and Marcus. He was a freak of nature in mind and body.
H
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But keep in mind that for 7 years, while the Raiders were winning 5 games or less, and you were telling everyone, everything was fine,
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Not true... I have always tried to remain optimistic... but also maintain a BALANCE. If I saw something that I thought deserved criticism, I brought it.
My problem with people like you is it seemed it wasn't good enough to whine and dwell on every negative... no that wasn't good enough... it was to treat everyone that also didn't whine and dwell on the negatives was treated like the village idiot. Thats my problem with the IAAFers.
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you kind of looked like an asshole, and a dickhead too.
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Well, I guess we both express our passion for the team in different ways.
NYR... I'm kinda busy to look through an entire website looking for the quote, and I honestly don't remember when I.. said it . but I did see this "ALL IS LOST" post from a few weeks ago...
....quote....
nyraider said...
Well, Gary, having some kind of queue system for my complaints is actually not a bad idea, because the Raiders continue to spin out the very same failures that got them started on their present run.
The Raiders, themselves, are like a broken record.
Give me the same failures, I'll continue to point out the same problems. It's really very simple.
In Kindergarten ease, the Raiders keep failing football 101, and they have been held back for seven straight years. That’s a long time to spend in Kindergarten. It’s nothing less than absurd.
I’d love to be able to say I think they’re moving in a positive direction. Last week’s game proves otherwise.
Just curious. Where do you see improvement?
..end quote...
This could be fun... do you want me to keep coming with the gloom and doom?
All I have to do is look for anything you wrote before RT's spaceships appeared.
LOL. Wow! Don't you work?
Up to that point of the season, that was spot on. More of the same ole same ole. That 49ers game was a sickening flashback to some of the worst Raiders football of the past seven years.
Do you deny that?
I find it interesting that you NEVER answered my question at the bottom of that post; where did you (then) see improvement? Yet here you are jumping up and down, clamoring that you knew it all along.
Maybe you should consider playing your state lottery.
"CJ"....
Good job...You obviously understand this game...
"H"...Formations are part of the scheme and define that scheme...4-3 is a scheme and there are blitz schemes that can be run within it or other variations as "CJ" touched upon...
"Judas"....
Your all wet as usual and obviously don't know a thing about this "Man's Game"...
How stupid is that...Now if 2 years ago I posted a typical phrase that's employed frequently in sports (It was not my original thought) and some Anno comes in 2 years later and uses some variation of that same proverbial phrase (Which was not of my invention) than that Anno must be me (Or some personification there of me)...
Fine...Your terminated!!!...
PantyRaider...Will The real "Jones" Please Replace That Bitch!!!/_
I am the TRUTH
That punk is the LIE
Get off my board you imposter!
Get out I say!
TruleyJones
Here’s some post-Niner’s game Gary quotes that clearly demonstrate his self-proclaimed premonitions that the Raiders have turned the corner.
These are ALL direct quotes:
“Other evidence of teaching problems on defense... “
“Whose TEACHING these young players?”
“Coaching and QBs... we have neither.”
(It was painful to watch, and it's not the first time he's done that)
“Nope... pretty much the exact same thing on at least one of the other long runs given up. Is there a "Morrison Syndrome" that only inflicts Raiders MLB's or something?”
“Or maybe we have a complete moron as LB coach? Why can't somebody just show him the fucking film and say "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
“Ohh.. and if we see Campbell starting next week... and McClain doesn't stop engaging blockers, etc... I think Cable can stick his "accountability" shit straight up his ass.”
“How can anyone say theres any accountability if you don't jerk a QB that played two entire QUARTERS without passing for a single yard?”
“Although losing that pick is going to suck if we cant get this QB situation straightened out and we end up with like 5 wins again...”
That last kills me. Here’s Gary suggesting we end up with five wins again!
See, Gary, you are nothing more than a hypocrite. Get over yourself!
Wait, there’s much more!
“You NEED some veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.”
“but you don't just keep drafting rookies without veteran help too... especially without a top notch coaching staff... and even then you are just going to be above average.”
“If we weren't blitzing, someone should be fired (or benched) for leaving him so wide open in the endzone.”
What? Gary calling for the firing of coaches... must be because he saw this coming!!
“...especially how unlucky the Raiders have been with nearly every one of the Raiders first round picks (even the "safe" picks like McClain and Gallery don't pan out”
What? Gary says McClain’s a bust
“JFC... if Gannon can notice it... don't we have a defensive guy in the booth to tell them this?”
“I am really ready for a purging of the defensive assistant coaches.”
Gary, do you want me to keep going?
Now everybody here can see what a hypocrite you really are.
You're next Pantry Raider.
Doom n’ Gloom! Crier!
Hi Mr Jones...
Pleasure to meet you again...As per our last conversation while watching the game at the Cantina and on the prone again last night your timing was beautiful...Way to hit him on the head...
Too Kool!!!...
Well this Mr Jones knows a thing or 2 about the game -n- will post the "TRUTH" instead of the "Lies" so I recruited him...As a replacement so to speak...Just trying to do my part to clean up this board...
Ha! Ha!...I'm dieing laughin over here...Just freakin dieing!!!...
PantyRaider...The TRUTH Lives On!!!/_
Panty,
Might be a difference in terminologh, but 4-3 is the base. What you do with it is the scheme.
H
(Snip the coaching and QB concerns that I already admitted to...)
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“Although losing that pick is going to suck if we cant get this QB situation straightened out and we end up with like 5 wins again...”
That last kills me. Here’s Gary suggesting we end up with five wins again!
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Thats a blatant lie. I said it would suck _IF_ we end up with 5 wins.
And I still say it... it WOULD suck because we would lose a very high draft pick... I was just stating a FACT.
Jesus NYR... I could post 300 things where you suggested this team is totally fucked... and this is the best you can come up with?
I had big concerns over our coaching and QBs early, because it was so HORRIBLE early.
You, on the other hand, thought we were fucked simply because thats all you have been saying for the last 7 months.
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What? Gary says McClain’s a bust
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Uhh doorknob... thats something we AGREED on! Why would you bring it up? Because I can be as kneejerk as YOU at times?
I guess I do consider that an insult, but for you? I dunno... pretty strange.
(snip more of my coaching concerns quotes)
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Gary, do you want me to keep going?
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SURE! But only if I can bore this forum with your 300 to 500 posts since last season of gloom and doom that were much worse than what you dredged up!
Are you up to it? I've got all day tomorrow off.... I bet I could fill up a giant web page...
>>>>
I find it interesting that you NEVER answered my question at the bottom of that post; where did you (then) see improvement? Yet here you are jumping up and down, clamoring that you knew it all along.
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I've been pointing to small improvements since last season... and happier still when Cable was retained... happier still when Jackson was brought in (saying all along Cable was wearing too many hats) and happier still after the draft.
I even predicted 8-8 (IIRC) and left in disgust for a few months because RT bravely refused to make any predictions (one can only imagine how many gloom-and-doom posts you created in those months that I missed.)
We've already seen the infamous "Black Knight" post where I pointed to an improved McF and defense... so I was happier still after game TWO.
What more evidence do you want NYR?
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Yet here you are jumping up and down, clamoring that you knew it all along.
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Thinking back further... I think I mentioned the Raiders actually "turned the corner" way back when they finished 2008 with back to back wins. It didn't translate into many wins last season (mostly because we were still struggling with QB and coaching problems)... but I think I have been pretty consistent in my optimism with this team.
So what can YOU point to besides your sudden confidence which none of us had seen until after the Denver game?
Really dude.. someone claiming I wasn't optimistic ENOUGH now or something??? WHat are you trying to prove here?
Look at the 2 stooges, they just keep sinking their own boats. They bring the level of this site to rock bottom. Why can't a purging happen and remove the virus that keeps infesting this site? Waste, you are a complete fool, your 'game' is so pathetic, it's not fit for even a CHILD. The 'game' is in your mind, your mind is completely trashed. All that acid and trauma has completely made you INSANE...once again, you can't reason with INSANE.
JONES
Gary, the point is, I'm not the one here clamoring I knew all along, and that everybody else was wrong.
The evidence strongly suggests you had NO MORE idea that the Raiders would suddenly regroup and play two of their best games (ever) than anyone else here.
I stand behind my posts as being reasonable conclusions based on then-available information.
After the 49ers game, the evidence suggested, as you clearly agree, the Raiders still had major issues.
Them's the facts of the case, and they are undisputed... well, by sane people.
Now, if you want me to dig up the past, I can tell the good people here at Raider Take how you think losing games is beneficial or, more recently, that you assess record-setting Raider performances as boring and meaningless.
You are no saint here. So get off your high horse and join the rest of us that haven't a clue who will win this week's game, or if the Raiders will make the playoffs.
Stop pretending you knew something you didn't, because you don't!
too funny Gary. NY Raider has you all boxed in with nowhere to go or hide. He showed U R a fraud, a punk, a wanna-be, and above all, a hypocrite. Learn a little self respect and humility bub.
Look at the 2 stooges???
Was that posted at me you phony?
Get off my name and stop misrepresenting the TRUTH!
After Panty Raider showed me what your all about it became very clear that I don't need something as pathetic or loathsome as you giving the name 'Jones' a bad reference it this community. The Raider Nation community that is. Slither under a different rock and give this one up. It's mine and been mine far too long to allow the likes of you to keep on polluting it.
TrulyJones
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Can't reason with insane, Waste has gone over the edge, have a nice fall, Waste.
JONES
A mind is a terrible thing to waste!!
I know...I haven't a clue!!
No "TRUTH" to me at all JONES!!
Somebody took my brain away!...Bring it back PLEASE!!...I WANT IT BACK!!NOW!!!
Help me RT they stole my mind!!!
HELP ME GET IT BACK!!!!
Help me RT PLEASE!!
I'm being EXCOMMUNICATED!!!
This is the DEFILEMENT OF THE TRUTH!!!
Help me RT PLEASE!!
Their spanking me.. Their "SPANKING" me!!!
JONES
“Other evidence of teaching problems on defense... “
“Whose TEACHING these young players?”
“Coaching and QBs... we have neither.”
(It was painful to watch, and it's not the first time he's done that)
“Nope... pretty much the exact same thing on at least one of the other long runs given up. Is there a "Morrison Syndrome" that only inflicts Raiders MLB's or something?”
“Or maybe we have a complete moron as LB coach? Why can't somebody just show him the fucking film and say "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
“Ohh.. and if we see Campbell starting next week... and McClain doesn't stop engaging blockers, etc... I think Cable can stick his "accountability" shit straight up his ass.”
“How can anyone say theres any accountability if you don't jerk a QB that played two entire QUARTERS without passing for a single yard?”
“Although losing that pick is going to suck if we cant get this QB situation straightened out and we end up with like 5 wins again...”
“You NEED some veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.”
“but you don't just keep drafting rookies without veteran help too... especially without a top notch coaching staff... and even then you are just going to be above average.”
“If we weren't blitzing, someone should be fired (or benched) for leaving him so wide open in the endzone.”
“...especially how unlucky the Raiders have been with nearly every one of the Raiders first round picks (even the "safe" picks like McClain and Gallery don't pan out”
“JFC... if Gannon can notice it... don't we have a defensive guy in the booth to tell them this?”
“I am really ready for a purging of the defensive assistant coaches.”
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So Gary, let me get this straight. Although you are the ultimate "optimist" AND you knew the Raiders would turn the corner all along, you were ready to:
throw our QB, coaching staff, defense, and rookies under the bus after week 5? Huh?
You see Gary, I have no problem with Raider fans (like yourself) expressing your disappointment, venting, and sharing your opinions. That is what this forum is partly about.
What I do have a problem with is you getting up on your high-horse and proclaiming that you are "right" that you knew all along, told-you-so's, and dictating who you think should or shouldn't celebrate the Raiders recent success. Your credibility goes out the window when you make the statements above on the one hand then bash other posters who shared a similar disappointment earlier in the season. It is called hypocritical.
"CJ"...
Just a small note in Garey's defense but not an excuse so to speak...
We were all let down during that horrible showing in "SF"...Me included...So to point too many fingers at what a poster wrote after a single very disappointing loss is a bit harsh don't you think when for the most part his post have been very positive...
Were there any of us who were NOT in the dumper on that one...I nick-named "JC" "JustCrap" and several posters agreed on this and other boards where I post...All appeared lost if we could fall so far so quickly to such a weak-ass team...Now does that make me a "Hypocrite" when I speak about my long term devotion to this team or that I was pointing out that corner being turned prior to most accepting we were even in it...I don't think so!!!...Set backs happen!!!...
Step back and look at the overall picture...Was the poster crying for weeks on end or just after a single total collapse...There's a huge difference there whether you can acknowledge it or not...
If I remember I made a negative comment or 2 after our loss to Tenn...So maybe this season I have made a grand total of 3-5 disparaging comments mixed in with 10,000 very positive ones pointing out the ground this young team has covered...Now are you going to go back and post every time I was in doubt as an account of my lack of faith...If so many of you will need several years of post on the bright side before you ever dig yourselves clear of all the mud you have heaped upon Mr Davis and his organization...
I have doubts you could ever recover...
PantyRaider...Mood Swings While Heart Remains Steady!!!/_
When the performance is overwhelmingly negative, my takes will not be overwhelmingly positive.
And vice versa.
"RT"..."overwhelmingly" is the prime word there...
If I go back to that "SF" thread will I see much positive stroking going on...Not even from myself I suspect...
That's why I posted how harsh it was to use that thread as an example of Garry's position when we were all in the dumper...
PantyRaider...To The Same Standards Shall You Yourself be Held!!!/_
Seattle Seahawks 11/3
Jay Richardson (DE) signed.
"When the performance is overwhelmingly negative, my takes will not be overwhelmingly positive.
And vice versa."
Ditto. Concur 100%.
Careful Gary. Based on your well documented comments of the past, you will be classified as a "Doom and Gloomer" ... oh the irony! Too funny.
PR, "We were all let down during that horrible showing in "SF"...Me included...So to point too many fingers at what a poster wrote after a single very disappointing loss is a bit harsh don't you think"
Yes. I do think it is a very natural reaction to disappointing results. Along the same lines, how you or anyone to include Almighty Gary can hold it against a Raider fan for being disappointed in the previous 7 years results is beyond me.
Sounds like the Raiders only the only ones who need to establish a level of consistency, huh?
New take is up.
There will be a bidding war but Mike Vick can be had at the end of this season. Bicker all you'd like about who's better, Grad or JC, but I'd like to think we need an upgrade either way should we like to return the Lombardi Trophy to it's rightful home at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway.
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