Jets Gameday Thread
We'll know shortly if the Raiders are committed to playing down to their competition, or if they're ready to get serious about their playoff viability after last week's disastrous failure of focus and execution at the worst possible time. Two words: GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 7:33 AM
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What in the heck is wrong with our D on this first Jets drive? They're running around like clowns out there.
Ugly so far!
Jets look ready to play in a totally meaningless game for them.
Raiders look lost.
so negative why don't you root for the Jets you hater
Helluva INT right there! Wow.
Came out flat but looking more determined on both sides of the ball.
Ferrell and Waller having career games.
Need to stay focused!
Raiders seem to be falling apart right now. Offense is stagnant, and the defense is wearing out. Needed to have a good drive, and Ruggs is stripped. COME ON RAIDERS!
Not sure what to make of that. Raiders needed a hail marry pass (as pretty as it was) to beat the Jets, who at times looked like they wanted to lose.
The Raiders defense is a mess but we already knew that. More disappointing was Raiders offense playing conservative beginning in the third quarter after the TD. They left the Jets in the game and the Jets accommodated them by scoring 17 unanswered points and taking the lead.
But hey, I'm happy the Raiders won, even if it was ugly at times. This game was personal, after freezing my ass off in the Meadowlands last year while rooting for a Raiders team that never showed up. At least they showed up today.
7-5 is still outside looking in but they're still in the hunt. They will have to beat Miami and Indy to make any noise.
Btw, who's the brain surgeon behind a short kick-off to give the Jets a last play? WTF?
Raiders need better coaching!
BIG UGLY WIN, BABY!!! CARR MAKING THE PLAY HAPPEN BY MOVING AROUND THE POCKET IN A BLITZ, RUGGS WITH A DOUBLE MOVE IN SINGLE-MAN COVERAGE, NO SAFETY HELP. I WAS SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T DO A MORE PREVENT DEFENSE! I WILL TAKE IT! RAIDERS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE OFFENSE RIGHT NOW. LAST 2 WEEKS LOOKED VERY FLAT OUTSIDE OF CARR AND WALLER. CARR HAD 381 YARDS PASSING, AND 3 TD'S. OF COURSE THE DEFENSE HAS TO PLAY BETTER. COLTS NEXT! JUST WIN, BABY!!!!
In the aftermath of yesterday's game (and a miracle play made possible by a suspiciously horrendous bad defensive call by the Jets!) it's hard to feel good about how the Raiders played.
I think the Raiders have the firepower on offense but the conservative play calling after the TD drive to start the third quarter left the Raiders critically exposed, especially, with their shortcomings on defense.
This game did nothing to change my mind and the statement I made prior to the game: 'How is Paul Guenther still employed?'
This guy has been the Raiders DC since Gruden arrived and they have only gotten worse on defense, despite a complete roster turnover. Mostly in soft zones, the Raiders defense at times allowed Sam Darnold to look like Patrick Mahomes, while also managing to give up over 200 yards rushing. At one point even the TV announcers made note of how deep the Raiders safeties play. That's not just yesterday, that's every game!
Not to take away from individual performances in yesterday's game by guys like Ferrell and Mullen, but the Raiders defense needs a serious wake-up call.
Fire Guenther! Now! Before the season-ending collapse happens. Name in-house interim DC and stay within the framework of Guenther's playbook.
Otherwise, I'm afraid, starting next week, better QBs like Philip Rivers will make Sam Darnold look like, well..., Sam Darnold. Rivers knows how to beat the Raiders.
Either way, Gruden will have to make the decision this off-season, or it will be on him.
P.S. I forgot to mention the Jets huge ground game yesterday was courtesy of 3rd and 4th string RBs... practice squad guys who had no business carving up any NFL defense.
Why does that seem to always happen to the Raiders?
Jets DC was fired.
Note to Gruden... see how easy that is?
Greg Williams should have never been allowed back in the NFL. He was the DC of the Saints with Bounty Gate, if you remember. I thought it was curious to why he went man coverage instead of prevent. I understand wanting to put pressure on Carr, and making him antsy in the pocket, but you don't send an all out blitz in that situation either. No safety help, the CB bit on Ruggs' double move, and ball game! The Jets are a dumpster fire. They need to fire Adam "Headcase" Gase next. That is another dude who does not need to be coaching in the NFL.
With that said, I agree NY, that though I am excited for the win, it should have never come down to this. I don't think Gruden is calling plays on offense, I think it is Olson. BIG MISTAKE!!! He and Guenther need to go. So if you let them go, you have to replace them with better people. That is where it gets easy. Wade Phillips or Raheem Morris (if he is not hired for the Falcons HC position) for DC. Marinelli should not be DC, he is worse than Guenther, and should probably go too. Bring in WADE or RAHEEM!!!! As for OC, bring back Bill Musgrave who is currently at Cal-Berkley, or Graham Harrell OC for USC.
Clelin Ferrell played like a monster yesterday, his first game back. He has been a beast for us this season. Now if we can get he and MadMaxx on the same page.... Our running game has been non-existent the last 3 weeks as well. I know Jacobs got hurt in the Chiefs game, and has been recovering since; but Booker and Richard need to step it up; but this is also due to the run-game play calling as well. We cannot continue to run up the middle the first 2 downs, and throw the ball on third. This is why I think Olson is calling the plays, this smells of Olson's play-calling the first time around. Makes me want to vomit it is so vanilla.
Hopefully, the Raider play better from here on out. I believe they have to win out to make it to the play offs. Have to beat the Colts, Chargers, Dolphins, and Doncos to make the playoffs. No excuses, JUST WIN, BABY!
Run, Run, Pass! That's what the Raiders do when they get a lead, or sometimes when they're in a rut. It's incredibly vanilla. Even when they do open things up they usually revert back to being conservative when they should stay the course of their success.
Great teams don't take their foot off the gas. Why give your opponent that opportunity?
Was that lesson-learned in the Jets game? I doubt it. It's easier (and more obvious) to blame the defense than to make a simple adjustment on offense. It's a pattern the Raiders can't break. Sometimes it works.. because they have Jacobs.
NY, whining and complaining after the Raiders win. You are so grumpy.
...says the fan police.
I'm going to start calling it the "Prevent Offense".
Olson was a very vanilla OC his first go 'round with the Raiders. Anon, the point NY is making is something he and I agree on, and always have; the more aggressive team wins. The Raiders were forced to be aggressive at the end of the Jets game because they took their foot off the gas and went into "Prevent Offense" which almost (and quite frankly, should have) cost us the game. They should have never been in that situation to begin with.
After 18 years of horrible teams, long-time Raiders fans like myself, are tired of seeing the team fluff a lead by being lethargic and comfortable with a lead early in the 2nd half. Now if they were up by 25-30 points, okay. But they were up by 2 scores with 8 minutes in the 3rd Quarter, a defense that is playing horribly, and stepped off the gas. That is not ok. Not complaining, just expressing disappointment because we feel the Raiders should be better than this.
Nobody should hold back opinions because Jones says so. Jones is stuck in the Reggie McKenzie era and reading the tea leaves of some future Raiders utopia, instead of offering counterpoint to an opinion which he might disagree. Almost 20 years later, in Jones world, everything is still going according to plan! That's really quite amazing!
Nate, you hit it right on the head. Raiders should be better than this. Even in the microcosm of this season, the last two games should be their best of the season, not their worst.
In many respects, the Raiders could easily find themselves back to the drawing board next season. For example, in terms of coaches, personnel, and possibly scheme. It could even mean a new QB.
That's a reset that might be nearly unfathomable for a lot of Raiders fans...
...yet still be viewed as part of the master plan for others.
My biggest take on this season is the maturation and determination of Derek Carr. Falcons game aside, Carr is playing some of his best football in terms of seeing the field and managing the game. I believe he and Gruden have developed a good chemistry and the offense has promise with Carr at QB. He is reading defenses and calling plays at the LOS ala Rich Gannon. It's fun to watch when it clicks (and when the Raiders aren't trying to run out the clock early in the 3rd quarter).
Most of the Raiders failures fall to the defense, at a level which Gruden can no longer excuse himself from blame.
The meter is running....
A lot has been made of the Jets bad call at the end of the game which got their DC fired, but Gruden makes a good case for the play the Raiders made.
“I think a lot of people [ask] ‘what about that call that the Jets made?’” Gruden said on Monday. “What about that pick-up Darren Waller made on the edge? What about the blitz pick up from Jalen Richard, are you kidding me? What about the throw under intense fire? And what about the route? That to me was as exciting and as amazing as any call made by me. There was some great execution there.”
That play was spectacular. A real heart stopper, for sure. Maybe even a confidence builder for the offense, particularly, Ruggs who otherwise had a tough game.
The team has been decimated by injuries and COVID combined with the fact there's virtually an entire new starting defense from last year your expectations are unreasonable. have some patience child
Excuses, excuses.
Let's see, "the team has been decimated by injuries and covid"
Since Week 1? Because that's when the defense began sucking in 2020.
"there's virtually an entire new starting defense from last year"
Raiders have plenty of starters and players from last year. Hankins, Hurst, Crosby, Key, Mullen, Johnson, Ferrell, Harris, Joyner, just to name a few. Hell, that's practically the starting lineup right there.
And the high-priced FAs they brought in are part of the problem, e.g., Collins and Littleton both have lost snaps to their backups, and Nassib was a healthy scratch from the active roster against the Jets. So even the Raiders coaches have seen enough of these guys.
Add to all that, the Raiders have three years continuity in coaching and scheme.
Time for excuses is over.
what's your excuse for being such a miserable hater
...great comeback.
Injuries happen on every team, every year. With this year, it does seem like the Raiders have had more injuries on both sides of the ball. But to that extent, the O-line has done a tremendous job in dealing with their injuries. I will go as far to say that I had written off Brandon Parker as a bust, and he has come out and shut everyone up in his time subbing for Trent Brown.
The D-Line has not dealt well with injuries, not the secondary has, and so has Morrow. In fact, I'm willing to say that Morrow takes Littleton's spot next season. But even when the entire D-line was healthy, they have had another season of difficulty trying to get consistent QB Pressure and sacks. Once again (4th year in a row) we are at the bottom of the barrell in that category. Injury is not the problem.
On a positive note, Trent Brown is back. It is expected that Abram and Jacobs will be back to play the Colts. The one thing that has been anemic the last 3 weeks on our offense has been the running game. Jacobs got hurt against the Chiefs, and it showed against the Falcons, but Booker and Richard have to step up, and have not. At the same time, we have to be more creative than trying to pound it up the middle every run with them. I have yet to see the Raiders call an Off-Tackle/End Run with Booker and Richard in the last 3 games. During this time, DC has still thrown over 200 yards in each of these 3 games, while the Raiders running game went 89 yards vs Chiefs (55 for Jacobs the lead rusher), 40 yards rushing vs Falcons (27 for Jacobs the lead rusher), and 72 yards rushing against the Jets (50 for Booker the lead rusher). So the running game will open the offense up more.
The problem I see coming into the game against the Colts will be their ability to take away Darren Waller. The rushing game has to be there this week, and we should see Renfrow, Ruggs, Zay Jones, and more screen passes to throw them off-balance. Gonna be a good game. JUST WIN, BABY
Thanks NY, I thought it was somewhat whitty myself.
Nate - Parker stood out for like one game then fell off that wagon. I'm pretty sure Young replaced him against the Jets. Parker was part of the mess in Atlanta.
Colts have a top 5-6 defense. And, in case anyone forgot, Philip Rivers leads the Colts offense. Raiders know he's a savvy vet who's quick to release the ball, but he's also injured. He has a bad toe and has been wearing a walking boot when he's not playing. IMO, Raiders defense needs to press more at the LOS and create a pass rush to keep Rivers off his game.
Rivers needs no spy, so all resources go to pass rush and coverage.
Colts are fighting for their playoff life too. Whichever team loses this game will be in a big hole.
Abrams personal foul. What a surprise!
Raiders defense off to another bad start.
One cure for a bad defense is a good offense.
If Raiders had any defense they'd be a good team.
Not sure Carr can keep pace with an opposing offense that has no resistance.
The Raiders didn't just win (in the past) because of their jersey colors. It was because of Al Davis, Ron Wolf and the scouts.
The NFL and sports media tells Raidernation the Raiders should imitate "model franchises" then, when they look bad they tells us how Raiders are so close to being a good team.
Since the Raiders were losing and the conservative spending teams (Pats, Packers, Steelers and Giants) were winning sports media said spending on star free agents wasn't really necessary; So, they went after Al who stood up for the players and would spend on star players. It suddenly was bad for teams to do this, why not be cheap like the Pats-Packers-Giants and just coach . True, Packers, Pats and others were cheap and still won but why the Manning Colts (after SB win), Raiders and Cowboys who were loaded with talent, suddenly just couldn't win...and the Raiders suddenly started losing after their SB loss.
They told US- the Raiders needed a new GM and bring in NFL people. WELL Raidernation! NFL people have changed the culture...they really changed it!:
* A culture of drafting lower rated players and UDFAs'. But unlike Belichick, Ariens, Dungy and others....not coaching them into good football teams.
* A culture of rejecting speed and athletes. Letting guys who didn't play well go is one thing but letting GOOD, fast players like Pryor, Ford and DMAC go-, then losing and by the way, not playing well against fast teams(KC).
* A culture of conservatism. Refusing to spend on expensive star free agents then,
continuing to sign average to good players after promising to spend on stars after they FIX the salary cap that Al ruined.
* A culture of whiffing on claims/ promises then, getting (sports) media PR to step over criticism.
promised to be more loyal to coaches than Al- Fired two before '18 (Dennis Allen and Jack Delrio). Fired and hired same OC about three times (Olsen, Reggie era twice, Gruden once).
After media said Reggie would find better players than Al-, D became one of worst in NFL, special teams was good some seasons and mediocre others, other than a few big plays by Jalen Richard and by L. Maurry the offense was mediocre from '12-'16. Drafted some good players but mostly hasn't had a lot of NFL stars. The Davis teams ('03-'11) had stars and pro bowlers. It took Reggie era years to find a good qb and Carr years to become a franchise qb.
* A culture of corporate tampering. Firing all of the coaches, scouts and front office people from Al's era was more the NFL than MD rebuilding the team. Most of the coaches fired by Reggie were some of the best assistants in the NFL-some went to other teams and helped them win. This wasn't done to improve the Raiders...it was to get RID of ANYTHING connected to Al Davis because they don't want anybody opposing their greed.
The Raiders can't make MANY moves without the permission of the NFL. This is why they refuse to SPEND money on expensive stars. It was for the good of the NFL and that means MONEY, salary caps and new stadiums- not good football and loyalty to the fans.
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