Saturday, June 18, 2011

Time to Fix The Mix?

In a recent blog post, Jerry McDonald recounts a recent interview with Stanford Routt on Sirius NFL Radio:

Hosts Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan tried their best to get Stanford Routt to say the Raiders’ reputation as man-to-man defenders was overblown.

“You can’t play press coverage every damn down," they said.

Replied Routt: “Basically, you just hit it on the head. We basically play man every damn down.”

Ryan challenged Routt with a 2009 game against Philadelphia when the Raiders blitzed Donovan McNabb heavily and backed it with more zone than usual.

Routt said “we ran a little bit of zone that game, but predominantly, (man) is what we do. If we play 60 snaps on defense, at least 56 of those are going to be man coverage. Everyone in the league knows what our game plan is.”

This exchange recalls Nnamdi Asomugha's comments in the wake of that aforementioned Eagles game, when the Raiders mixed things up and delivered a surprise beatdown:

Asomugha is a bit of a skeptic when it comes to promises of pressure tactics.He said he lobbies defensive coordinator John Marshall every Monday, only to come away disappointed the following Sunday.“This time, I guess it worked out just because we knew the type of weapons that they had, and he said he was going to do it,” Asomugha said. “Maybe he’ll see that it actually works, and we’ll stick on it. He said that he might get yelled at for it, but he’ll keep it going.”

Now we have yet another new defensive coordinator heading into the (alleged) 2011 season. So the question is, are we going to mix things up more? Or are we going to stick to the familiar plan referenced by Routt? Do we need to mix it up, and if so, why don't we? If we don't need to mix it up more, why do you feel that way?

Inquiring minds want to know.

144 Comments:

Anonymous JONES said...

TOO FUNNY, so we are beating this horse again? LOL, the truth always arises and those who have been to this site for a few years know what the 'positives' say about this compared to the "doom and gloomers".

So how long will Routt be around? His days are numbered, once you speak out against the Emperor, you don't last long. Everyone, well almost everyone, all know it's Al's defense and that won't change until he is gone. The SCHEME (LOL) of press coverage, man to man, beat the guy in front of you is what the Raiders have done since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Yes the FORMATIONS have changed somewhat depending on who the personel is, but the SCHEME has always been the same. Routt is just another to let the cat out of the bag and history shows that he won't be around much longer. Al will take this as a stab in the back after Al has made him the #1 corner on the roster, should be interesting to watch.

JONES

11:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well there's just no accounting for "Sports Stupidity"!!!!...

"RT" reported a player's statement realistically as reported by another source while asking a very simple question...."Mix it up or not??"...

However in response under the influence of the typical "Sports Stupidity" that has been displayed on "this site for a few years" the would be "truth always arises" corkscrewed himself into yet another inescapable corner of stupidity with this:
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The SCHEME (LOL) of press coverage, man to man, beat the guy in front of you is what the Raiders have done since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Yes the FORMATIONS have changed somewhat depending on who the personel is, but the SCHEME has always been the same.
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"personel"...

What happened??...Your "Spell Checker" get scrambled???...

Here's the correction so you can add it as a new word in that malingered program....

PERSONNEL

Now about SCHEME...He said:

"The SCHEME of press coverage, man to man,"

Obviously he thinks both are the same and than this too???...

"beat the guy in front of you"
(LoL)...What be he talking about??

Back to Football 101 and he might have learned something but with such a learning disorder NOTHING ever sinks in...

#1...What the hell is "the SCHEME of Press Coverage"???...

Definition: "DB" Coverages

Defensive backs normally line up in two types of coverage. The first coverage is press. And in press coverage, the defensive back is usually within two yards of the wide receiver at the line of scrimmage. Most defensive backs will play bump and run coverage in this style.

The other formation for defensive backs is with cushion. When a defensive back gives a wide receiver cushion, he is usually five, ten and sometimes maybe even 15 yards back off the wide receiver.

#2...What is "M-to-M" Coverage...

Answer:__________________________

#3...Can "M-to-M" be incorporated with "Cushion Coverage"???...

Answer:__________________________

#4...Can "M-to-M" be accomplished without playing "B-n-R"...

Answer:__________________________

#5...What type of coverages did the Raiders "DB"s typically run last season???...

Answer:

Predominately "M-to-M" without "B-n-R" with both "Press" -n- "Cushion" Coverages...

Some "M-to-M"-"B-n-R" like was dominate in the old days...

Some "Zone" Mixed in predominately near their own goal line which frequently failed...

Now I know that was way over the wave lengths of his very limited brain waves...If any exist at all...But look at this stupid shit:

"Yes the FORMATIONS have changed"

What "Formations" dummy???...

"but the SCHEME has always been the same."

Do you ever even engage that noodle before you post...NO I thought NOT!!!...

"Formations" are changing but "Scheme" never does???...

WoW!!!...Now enlighten us on how your noodle came up with that one Mr TRUTH!!!...

And please explain this little jewel that dropped out of your ass...

"beat the guy in front of you"

Ha!!..."LoL"!!!...Did you intend them to beat the guy behind them???...Or across the field from them???...Or maybe the guy on the BENCH!!!...

PantyRaider...Stupidity Is SOOOoooo Dense!!!/_

6:20 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Interesting question and it's been developed quite nicely over at "S&BP" recently...

Routt pointed out how much more difficult it is to play the Raiders style at "CB"...A player needs a different set of tools and speed is one of the most valuable...No doubt very true...But there are other aspects of the Raiders "D" Scheme that come into play that weren't discussed that the coverages depend upon as well...

True..Last season our Raiders tried to mix it up without rave reviews...It worked on a few occasions but frequently failed close to our own goal line...Than too having Nam cover their best receiver went well but after his injury that idea was scrapped and other "CB"s had to be deepened upon more heavily...Truth is the model we're able to look at is somewhat limited due to injury and lack of time in that system...

Our "CB"s -n- "S"s are not as accustomed to playing Zone as they would be on some other teams and that transition showed and was a bit ugly to say the least...Does that mean it should be scrapped???...I da no...Will it be???...I da no...But most likely we will remain a "M-to-M" coverage team playing in the 4-3 scheme...

We now use less "B-n-R" than in the past but I for one would like that to come back...Very disruptive when it's working...

The main key to our "D" scheme working that frequently gets ignored is Pressure form the "DL" -n- sometimes "LB"s/"DB"s as well...The Blitz...It's that front line pressure that gets the "QB" out of his rhythm with his receivers...Disrupts the play and forces them into mistakes that our "DB"s can take advantage of...

The two work together...The "B-n-R" disrupts the play at the line with the "WR"s forcing the "QB" to hold a little longer while the Pressure disrupts the play at "QB"...Gets both player positions out of sink and unsure of themselves and raises the potential of mistakes...

Another key to our "D" scheme has been lacking but should be improved this season under Hue -n- Sanders....An effective "O" that forces teams out of their game plans and into throwing the ball to play keep up or catch up...That's when teams start making more mistakes that can be taken advantage of by our "D" and it limits their running attempts...

Personally I'm very intrigues with the return of Mike as our "DL" coach and now the return of Bresnihan as "DC" with Woodson who played under him...These guys worked very well together in our past and I think now bring even more to the table with time and experience...Add in Keven Ross and the return of Biekert as "LB" coach and I think this unit will respond very well...

But Nam must return as well and I believe he will...

PantyRaider...2011 Is Promising!!!/_

6:59 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This Regarding "TJ"...I Love This Kid Already And "MrD" Stoled Him In The 4th...

Big-time colleges knew all about Jones during his standout career at Deer Valley High, but a subpar grade-point average made it impossible for Division I colleges to offer him a scholarship.

That turned out to be Eastern Washington’s gain. Assistant coach Chris Hansen took one look at Jones on videotape and offered him a scholarship soon thereafter.

“I’ll never get a player like him again,” said Hansen, the running backs coach at Eastern Washington. “We usually don’t get to touch players like Taiwan. They’re going to USC and Washington.”

Jones’ transformation from a struggling student into a successful one began with his being diagnosed with dyslexia his senior year at Deer Valley.

The diagnosis enabled Jones to get extra time on tests and assignments, which helped him get his GPA over the required 2.0 so that he could play at Eastern Washington after redshirting one season.

“How do you pass up a guy that can make plays like that?” Jackson said soon after the Raiders selected Jones. "As I keep saying, you find a special talent, a guy that can score touchdowns as often and as fast as he can, and if he is sitting there, it’s hard to pass up those kinds of guys. I wouldn’t pass him up, and we didn’t pass him up. “… This guy is a tremendous, tremendous football player, and he is something special.”

“I’m a real versatile player,” Jones said. “I can return kicks, catch passes, block. I’ll do whatever it takes to help the team. I’ll work as hard as I can to reach my goal of playing in the NFL.”


Now add this: Pryor

Take That Statment From Hue And Apply It To Pryor And You Will Have The Raiders Future Press Release...

After the Supplemental Draft…He fits that same picture of a can't pass up talent...

PantyRiader....With The 3rd Pick In The 2012 NFL Draft The Raiders Select Pryor..."QB"-"SLASH"!!!/_

7:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"beat the guy in front of you"....since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Traditional "D"...Baltimore Ravens...

"Sooner or later, you can't trick everybody," Lewis said. "Line up and beat the man in front of you. That's it. There ain't nothing to be concerned about.

"Bottom line, sooner or later, you have to line up and beat the man in front of you. If you're doing that, you've got nothing to hold your head down about."

Tedy Bruschi: NE Patiots...

You have to beat the man in front of you, but that was not happening along the entire front seven.

Eagles "D"...

Beat the man in front of you......or we'll find someone who can!"


OK!! Ass Hole now trace this crap back to Mr Davis...You can't...It's just a wide spread philosophy applied to a variety of sports from boxing to wrestling to football and applied equally when talking "O" or "D"...Front 7 or "OL"...In the run game or pass "D"...But your stupid enough to post your LIAR CRAP trying to link this to when Mr Davis joined the Raiders and now can't prove a word of it...Dug yourself into another deep abyss without escape and NO I won't set you free...

YOU HAVE NO TRUTH!!!!....

PantyRaider...Convicted -n- Hung From The Yards For Being The LIAR That You Are!!!/_

For the record: Quotes from
Lord Vince Lombardi

"You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn't mean a thing. That's for the fans. You've got to win the war with the man in front of you. You've got to get your man."

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/white/225/vince.htm

12:10 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

And by the way...Al Davis -n- Vince Lombardi were contemporary "HC"s back when but Al's roots were in Sid Gillman...

Sid Gillman's Coaching Tree should be examined by some of you putrid Davis haters because as you will see it's threw the lineage of Mr Davis that Sid's philosophy has been exemplified down to this day...Sid is in the "HoF" with very good reason as is Mr Davis...

PantyRaider...Just Supporting BITCH!!!/_

12:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Gillman

Jon Gruden/Bill Callahan/Mike Shanahan branch from Al Davis threw Bill Walsh but got their 1st "HC" opportunities directly threw Al Davis -n- The Raiders...

9:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Based on his resume since leaving the Raiders and his recently being out of the NFL, I see Bresnahan as no more than a "yes" man to Al Davis, perhaps even exceeding Rob Ryan in this department. Only time will tell, but this guy was brought back for a specific reason, and it's not so he could run his own defensive schemes.... which have been awful.

He was brought here to run Al Davis's defense, the way that Al Davis wants it, i.e., the way nobody else has been able to.

Routt is simply venting the same frustration that others including Nnamdi and thousands of fans have expressed or otherwise felt.

So the question is, will this year's defense be ALLOWED to step out of the dark ages?

RT, nice to see you're keeping the pilot light going. Thanks for the post.

4:33 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"02" Raiders "D" under Bresahan as "DC"

Points Scored...#6
Yds Gained......#11
1st dns.........#24
Pass Attempts...#25
Pass Yds........#23
"TD"s...........#15
INTs............#5
Net Yds Ave......#12
Rushing.........#4
Rush Yds........#3
Rush "TD"s......#11
Yds Ave........#4
Take Away.......#8
Fumbles Gained..#23

With a very effective "O" the opposing teams were forced to air it out and abandon their running games...That created an environment for increased mistakes and the Raider's "DB"s were able to take advantage of the situation and were #5 in INTs/#8 in Take Aways...They gave up pass completions/yards -n- 1st dns but were #6 against scoring while being #15 against the dreaded pass "TD"...#11 against the rush "TD"...

If you can find a "D" that was better productive for the Raiders under some other "DC" in recent times (Last 15 seasons) than I would like to see it...

PantyRaider...If Hue's "O" Is Effective Bresnahan's "D" Will Be Also!!!/_

12:37 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"will this year's defense be ALLOWED to step out of the dark ages?"

Just what do you consider the "Dark Ages"..."M-to-M"...The Press...Perhaps you believe the Zone -w- Cushion to be the wave of the future...

Just As Much As They Know We Be Maned Up We Know They Be In The Zone...

Predictability comes at both ends of that spectrum…The Zone was not very effective at stopping our running attack last season even though the majority of the teams we faced were playing within it…We exploited them repeatedly with our shot dump-off game to the backs and burned them with Zack…Now if we can get balanced play at “QB” and our "WR"s more involved we will tear their Zones a new ass hole on our way to AFCW Champs…

The last time we were in the "PO"s under Callahan we won against the Zone and were the #1 “O” in doing it…So they can talk all they want about how simple or “D” is but their "D"s are not doing the job consistently either playing in those Zones…

PantyRaider...Their Future Has Abandoned Them!!!/_

12:43 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Happy to hear that the CBA is making good progress.

"Just As Much As They Know We Be Maned Up We Know They Be In The Zone..."

An effective pass defense shouldn't be an "either or" proposition ... meaning it shouldn't be strictly M2M or strictly zone.

The key is a mixture of both M2M and zone to keep the opponent off balance.

Predictability in the NFL is a path to losing. Dynamic, adaptable, and less predictable is the road to an elite D.

Hope everyone is enjoying the summer. CJ

7:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

One "D" was elite and totally dismantled us...Pitts...They are very predictable..You know they will bring the heat from every conceivable angle and hit hard in doing so...

Now what coverages do they predominately run???

"GB" was another "D" who in the end appeared elite...They mix it up as you say but play allot of "M-to-M" and I believe with more cushion than our Raiders do...

As you recall I wanted Winston Moss to return to the Raiders as the new "DC"...I didn't get my wish so I have moved on not living out old dreams that never materialized...Being a positive realist I will now concentrate on what Bresnahan brings back to the table and what might be done according to the Raider Way...

I'm pimping that if the "O" is functionable our "D" will be also...Here is another thread where these very same topics are presently being discussed and it might shed some further light on the subject...

Raiders magic number

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/6/22/2237481/raiders-magic-number-s

Is the Oakland Raiders Defense Really Too Simple?

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/6/21/2236312/oakland-raiders

PantyRaider...All Is Not Lost Before The 1st Toss Of A Coin!!!/_

1:54 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I like the "pilot light" analogy, NY.

I agree, CJ, predictability could be remain nagging issue, if what Routt says is true. He sounds frustrated because "everyone in the league knows what our game plan is."

6:33 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Now that's sounding like Paranoia and I really doubt Routt had any of that in mind when he made those comments...But as usual you will read into it what you want to read into it...Just like when Scot made his jokes about it being Al's "D" in jest as "J-Mac" admitted in his reply to my questions regarding his coverage of it on his live blog...He reported it as being in the mood of a light heartened reply to the media with a smile...

Now it's very damn obvious that everyone knows what our game plan is...Everyone knows threw time what type of "D" we play and they get to see it before every game every single week..Nothing is hidden from anyone...It's the same story as we get to see their games as well and only occasionally do teams change things up enough to throw you a curve..."SOB" did that when he sent the blitz repeatedly against us when they weren't doing it all season in Cleveland...We did it against "SD" when we lined up in that "Monster Big Nickle" with a 5 man front and took the game away in the 4th quarter...But you can't fool anyone every damn week...You have to just line up and play your game and they do the same...

That's what Pitts does...They play their game and their very good at it but NOT great..It didn't work against "GB" when everything was on the line...

Keep it simple and execute...That's just a football fundamental...

PantyRaider...."Doom-n-Gloom" Is Blinding You Sight!!!/_

7:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

So Routt should not be taken at his word? Just like we shouldn't believe our lying eyes?

Re: Bresnahan. His coaching has been so bad since leaving the Raiders, he fell entirely out of the NFL. So showing stats from 2002 is totally meaningless.

I can see no valid reason for his hire... which is akin to Davis bringing back Shell or Walsh.

9:45 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ya!!..Right!!..

Like bringing back Mike Waffle and the improvement in our "DL"...

Obviously Biekert wont help so we should have stayed with what's his name who failed to get our "LB"s up to par...

Woodson is another waste of time too right!!!...

Kevin Ross wont amount to a damn because Al hired him...

"Wiz" is doomed to failure because Al gave him his 1st real coaching job...

Hue is a wash-out before his 1st day of camp due to getting his 1st shot as a Raider.....

Sanders will forever be known as the offensive brain that couldn't coach because he's a Raider...

Your so blinded by that "HateTrip" of yours that nothing good can ever shine threw...Well I will no doubt be right here to feed you your just helping of "Crow" later this season as a "Told You So" just so I can see you squirm again and again while you try to deny your continual "Anti-Raider" attitudes...

PantyRaider...Get Ready For The Stats In Your Face Again This Season!!!/_

12:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hmm? I guess my point was completely missed. That string of statements resembles a blind man throwing darts... which is probably not far from the truth.

Just because you prefer not to believe something doesn't make it false. Just like the comment Routt made.

It the most simple terms, Bresnahan fell below the NFL standard, and Davis scooped him up like a prize.

Those other coaching assistants you mention were mostly going the opposite direction as Bresnahan at the time of his hire, which makes it even more puzzling.

But you keep justifying it. That's all you know.

12:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oh!!!...And now am I to understand your going on record with a blessing upon the rest of Al's coaching staff that was hired recently...Who by the way were largely at the request of none other than our newly appointed "HC"...Hue...Who you are already on record as bashing as just a puppet that no one else would want...Just like your on record posting that Mike was an Al Davis puppet last season and shoved down Cable's throat...

Huh!!...Clarify this for us...What's your stance here...


As for you perceived point it had already been addressed...See my reply to "RT" just prior to your childish rants about...
---------------------------------
So Routt should not be taken at his word? Just like we shouldn't believe our lying eyes?
---------------------------------
No need to continue to feed your childish arguments that try to prolong stupid rivalries as though they merit further considerations...

Your Anti-Raider Attitudes are very well documented on this board and your perpetual "HateTrips" are without foundation......That's history as is my history of support for Mr Davis and my Raiders...So YES...I do what I know how to do best...Continue to support my team in the face of all the Anti-Raider tripe that posters like you can vomit up...

PantyRaider...We Will Win To Your Chagrin!!!/_

12:45 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

I sincerely believe that if the Raiders defense incorporated, practiced, and fined tuned the art of playing zone pass coverage, the team would be better off. Zone pass coverage is a staple D in 31 of the 32 NFL teams.

Before you get things twisted, I'm not implying that the Raiders should discontinue M2M as the staple pass coverage. What it does mean is a mixture or balance depending on down, situation, opponent, etc.

Currently I would venture to say we play M2M about 90-95% of the time. This predictability is a bad way to disguise your D, keep opponents off balance, and create more dynamic plays (ie. turnovers).

If I was DC for a day, I would use the zone defense and blitz packages on a regular basis. In my opinion a 75 to 25 split (M2M to Zone) would be a good mix. It is primarily M2M but enough zone to keep the QB uncertain.

Lining up a beating the guy in front of you is checkers. A dynamic, adaptable, sophisticated D where you employ your personnel in a wide variety of ways is akin to chess.

1:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This is a good read for those who still question the value of the Seymour trade...

Richard Seymour seizes key role in Oakland

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/6/24/2241360/pirate-booty-barksdale-preparing-to-be-a-raider-for-years-players

“The Raiders didn’t extend me this year just because they want me to just lead,” Seymour said. “They extended me because I made the Pro Bowl last year and they want me to perform well on the field. But this is all part of it. I take the leadership part of the job seriously, too.”

“I truly love putting on the Silver and Black,” Seymour said. “Wearing the Silver and Black means a lot to me. Bringing a winner back to the (Raider) Nation is what this is all about.”

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. believes Seymour was a good acquisition for Oakland because of his talent, his leadership and how that he anchors a strong, young defensive line.

”I think he is still tremendous and yes, it appears as though Oakland did quite well on this trade,” Williamson said. ”He is a future Hall of Famer with great leadership skills and is still playing at a real high level. He can play all over the defensive line. He can rush the passer and stop the run. He really doesn't have a weakness to his game.”

“Just talking about it is not going to do anything,” Seymour said. “I want nothing more to get this team back to the playoffs, and I like our chances. But it is done with hard work, and that was the whole idea of the session last month and that’s why we can’t wait to get back to work.”

PantyRaider...Take The Man At His Word!!!!/_

WoW!!!...Didn't someone tell him it's Al's "D" and doomed to failure????.....

1:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

I get that and that's one approach and prolley worth pursuing by as you say 31 of the 32 teams in the NFL...However that's just not the reality of pro football...

Let's take the reverse view...How many of those 31 other teams employ "M-to-M" at all...How many of them even employ Press coverage...Name the very short list that will utilize "B-n-R"...

So usually whether in a base 4-3 scheme or a 3-4 scheme the majority of teams work within a Zone coverage scheme using Cushion coverage almost exclusively if not entirely...So they fail to take advantage of weapons that would make them less predictable and more disruptive...

Part of the problem here is that these are contrasting techniques and completely change how personnel reacts in different situations...If your constantly changing up between those different coverages your prolley more confused than the teams your trying to confuse...That's not keeping it simple at all...

Now in the case of a team like Pitts I believe they are equipped to do it because they have kept the same coaching personnel and players intact forever...Thus they would prolley be able to utilize more complicated coverages and blitzes than most..."GB" was also in that type of position and used "M-to-M" to their advantage..."TB" was in the same "Cover 2" for how long...

The Raiders are trying to dig out of a hole and are very young in their secondary aside from Nam who was banged up last season and Routt who was very slow to develop...Not sure we're really in a position to get that complicated just yet but maybe someday if we continue to employ a little and it works...But let's face it last season it failed us the majority of the time...

PantyRaider...Old Ways Still Work -w- Execution!!!!/_

1:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"PantyRaider...Take The Man At His Word!!!!/_"

I like Seymour and where he is as a Raider, but in your statement above you forgot, "...as long as it conveniently fits into my belief system that the Raiders can do no wrong."

Welcome to Shangri la.

1:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What a Jewel!!!...

Just continue to read your "Doom-n-Gloom" into everything you see...It's what you do best but don't demand me to take up you "Torture Stake" too...

PantyRaider....Dream Fantasy Of The Martyr!!!/_

PS...These childish "Word" games of yours are pure foolishness and NOT at all entertaining...Just try to post something worth considering Baby instead!!!...

9:00 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - The fact that all NFL teams use some zone pass D isn't an accident. Zone pass D is an effective ingredient to an arsenal.

What this really boils down to is a simple choice:

Do you think the Raiders defense would be more effective if it used zone pass D on a regular basis? (more than 20% of the time)

Or

Do you think the Raiders defense is more effective using M2M 90-95% of the time?

IMO, the lack of creativity, static nature, and predictability of how we employ our defensive personnel is holding us back. What our team shows on film week and week out gives our opponent a script for what to expect.

9:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Funny how the Raiders' philosophy on defense stays the same, DC after DC, but folks still believe Al Davis isn't involved.

1:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

The same damn things can be said about some 28-29 teams that don't employ "M-M" coverage at all which is also an "effective ingredient to an arsenal." as is the Press which they also don't employ...

And this...

"What our(their) team shows on film week and week out gives our opponent(us) a script for what to expect." Exactly which is why we're able to dismantle them and their Zones with our Rush -n- Dump-Offs to our Backs -n- "TE"s...

Everything has a weakness that can be exploited...

Now to answer that question again I think the Raider's "D" would be best served to go back to the "B-n-R" more heavily as in the past and for the "O" to become effective enough to consistently move the chains and put points on the board so our opponents have to abandon their ultra conservative run-run-run game plans and air out that "Pig"...

That's when the Raider's pass "D" is able to do what it's designed to do...Disrupt the "QB" with pressure up front and disrupt the "WR"s with physical pressure at the "LOS" while inhibiting timing patterns and generating Mistakes -n- Turn Overs...

Aside from that the only scheme change I would make is to the "Monster Big-Nickle" more frequently -w- "M-M"/the Press/"B-n-R"...That was very effective last season when we used it...Great reviews...Just ask "SD"...

PantyRaider...Keep It Simple -n- Execute Still Works In The Modern NFL!!!!/_

6:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Take A Serious Look At Last Season's "D"....

By the #'s...

"D"....

Points Scored.......#20
Yds Allowed.........#11
1st Dns Allowed.....#13
Turn Overs..........#22
Fumbles Lost........#10

Passing "D"..

Attempts............#1
Yards...............#2
"TD"s...............#28
Int's...............#25
Net Yd Ave..........#10

Rushing "D"

Attempts............#26
Yards...............#29
"TD"s...............#20
Yds Ave.............#23

Total Pass Attempts/yds 470/3027
Total Rush Attempts/yds 474/2138

Evaluation:

Teams chose to run rather than throw against us...No other team had as few passes thrown against them as the Raiders and we faced a much higher than average amount of rushes...#26 overall...Undoubtedly no other team's "D" faced more rushing than passing plays last season like the Raiders did...

Our overall "D" was within the top 15 but had trouble stopping the scoring...The Rush "D" was our "Achilles Heel"...We played "Zone" coverage frequently when our backs were against the goal line...

Now a look at why our "D" failed...

"O".....

Points............#6
Yards.............#10
1st Dns...........#16
Turn Overs........#20
Fumbles Lost......#10

Passing "O"...

Attempts..........#24
Yards.............#23
"TD"s.............#28
Int's.............#25
Net Yds Ave.......#10

Rushing "O"....

Attempts..........#4
Yards.............#2
"TD"s.............#2
Yds Ave...........#2

Evaluation:

Our passing game failed us miserably and turned the ball over...Bulk of that passing was to our backs -n- "TE"s...Inconsistency killed our momentum and weeks went by without satisfactory scoring or moving the chains to rest our "D"...In particular against Tenn/SF/Pitts/Miami...Half our 8 losses...Our passing was pathetic...Netted yds-"TO"s...150-2/69-2/121-3/247-3...

In 3 losses our Rushing also failed us...Pitts-61/Miami-16/Indy-80...

Some say if we move the chains and score points the other teams will rip us with the pass...Take a look at last season's results....

Games we won...

Rams.......210ysd/135 pass/75 rush
AZ* (MFG)..227yds/108 pass/119 rush
"SD".......506 yds/415 pass/91 rush
Denver.....240yds/165 pass/75 rush
Seattle....164yds/117 pass/47 rush
"KC".......304yds/200 pass/104 rush
"SD".......286yds/265 pass/21 rush
Denver.....235yds/129 pass/106 rush
"KC".......201yds/86 pass/115 rush

Games we lost...

Tenn.......345yds/140 pass/205 rush
Houston....441yds/192 pass/249 rush
"SF".......349yds/191 pass/158 rush
Pitts......431yds/269 pass/162 rush
Miami......471yds/285 pass/186 rush
Jacks......385yds/151 pass/234 rush
Indy.......370yds/179 pass/191 rush

Conclusion:

Last season only one team was able to rip us with the pass..."SD"..But only one time and -w- 3 "TO"s...2 "TO"s in the 2nd meeting...

The Raiders "D" is designed to work with a productive "O" that keeps pressure on the opposing "O"s and takes them out of their consecutive run-run-run game plans and force them to air out that pig and elevate the opportunities for mistakes/"TO"s...

PantyRaider...By The #'s!!!/_

1:13 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

My focus is on the Raiders and specifically what the Raiders D could/should do to improve.

I'm 100% convinced that playing M2M 90-95% of the time is not the most effective way to play pass defense. It is way too predictable.

12:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Well you no doubt have those who agree like "J-Mac" if you read his most recent blog bashing the Raider's system and questioning how effective Nam can be in a Zone where he has to cover more than 20% of their receivers...Another case of a "Mediot" projecting his highly opinionated preferences above the factual evidence Raider history...Namely that our "D" was #1 against passing attempts and #2 against passing yards for a very damn good reason...Our players and our scheme dictates it as such...Teams simply fear to throw that "Pig" even in this pass happy new era of NFL football...

Conversely we failed in the Red Zone at stopping scoring due to playing allot of Zone in that area...That's something I'm quite sure will get scrapped this season and with very good reason...We play much better when we play tight aggressive Press coverage than when with Cushion in a Zone....It simply works for us...

PantyRaider...History -n- #'s Speak Loader Than Opinions -n- Speculations!!!!/_

8:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

The reason we do poorly in zone is because the team rarely practices it.

Zone pass coverage is a very basic defensive pass scheme which ALL professional defensive backs are more than capable of mastering IF it is incorporated into training camp, studied, practiced, and fine tuned.

Asomugha's natural instincts, ball hawking skills, football intelligence, athleticism, and field awareness would allow him to be VERY effective in zone.

The added bonus to zone coverage is that the DBs are facing the QB and there would be increased opportunities for interceptions.

Until we have a DC with the complete authority to run the defense he sees fit, this is merely a friendly debate.

9:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

As long as it's Al Davis's way, it must be the right way... despite all results to the contrary.

Yet, even our forefathers knew they needed to diguise their attack in order to beat the British.

Here we are in the modern era of football and we're still being told the only way to beat your opponent is to "man up."

7:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

As "Friendly Debates" go we will just have to disagree....

Fact is virtually every "DB" coming out of the college ranks has played extensively in Zone Coverage -w- Cushion...A very small percentage is well schooled also in the fundamentals of "M-M" -w- Press Coverage and even less with "B-n-R" experience...

Joe Hayden was a "M-M" cover "CB" coming out and has played very well at Cleveland while some questioned whether he was adaptable to the Zone...There is a difference and the tools necessary are also different...Thus it took Nam a very long time to develop the necessary skill set even though he already had the physical tools...Routt was even slower to develop than Nam but may now be on the verge of....Dare I even speculate greatness...

"M-M" was the oldest and most fundamental of all the coverages and easiest to learn but now that's simply not the case because virtually everyone is schooled in the Zone now instead....Not just how you cover is different but also who you cover and when and how you approach that coverage...

In "M-M" you know who your man is and you usually stick to him wherever he goes keeping eye contact so you never lose him...Not so in the Zone as players are being picked up and let loose depending upon where they go and how many are being covered and where they originally lined up...Sometimes a player is covered by a "SS" and turned over to a "CB" or vise-verse...

Confusion arises when routs are run short than broken deep while others are crossing from the other side or when several receivers enter form different angles into a Zone and are let go only to leave the "DB" in that Zone overwhelmed...Players now have to be very well schooled in how to let go and how to pick up and who-who-who is now your man...As you can see the thinking here is totally different...That transition is not easy...

In The Raider's "M-M" the "CB"s are on islands...They are singled up alone until a rout goes deep enough to involve the "FS" or lateral enough to involve the "SS" or the other "CB"...They stick to their man unless the ball passes the "LOS" in a runner's hands or passes on it's way to another receiver...Than they attack the ball...

The "S"s have their assignments based upon how many receivers are being covered and how deep they are...When the ball crosses the "LOS" they attack the ball whether in the air or in a runner's hands...

"LB"s also have their assignments to cover a releasing "TE" that's uncovered or a "RB"...Than attack the ball once it crosses the "LOS"...That all sounds very simple but the physics of it is quite demanding and not all can perform well in today's pass happy fast environment...Thus the Zone that tries to keep plays in front of it with small gaps to close...

8:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Threw time "OC"s have learned how to attack the Zone...They do it every week...Now they play the Raiders and have to attack our "M-M" coverage instead...Maybe only one time in 3-4 seasons...Familiarity is now diminished...Receivers must run different routs...Whereas normally your best "WR" is lined up on the "QB"s left but he now has to switch because that's Nam's side of the field...So he goes to Rout instead who held up pretty damn well...So now what...It became necessary to attack us at the "SS" or try to get mismatches with "LB"s and such...

So "OC"s opted out of their Passing Games and concentrated on their Running Games but not all had one that was strong enough...Take a look at last year's stats that I posted...It tells a very distinct story...

So now let's say we divert 20-25% of our "M-M" coverage plays to the Zone coverage...What do we gain and what do we lose...

Gains:

#1...Confusion -n- surprise...For how long...1 week...2 weeks until it becomes expected and anticipated...

#2...Improved techniques...Well perhaps over time but at what cost during that transition period and how long would it take to transcend that gap...1 season...2 seasons...

What do we lose...

#1...Our familiarity with a system...Confusion and mistrust of fellow players who make mistakes while second guessing what to do...

#2...Our strong identity as the last remaining "M-M" Press "B-n-R" coverage team...Our element of being different and having to be attacked differently...

#3...Perhaps our #1 ranking as a Pass "D" as we become similar to everyone else and easy to attack the way "OC"s have learned to attack the Zone...

Complicated to say the least but "GB" does what you suggest...I like what they do and wanted Winston Moss to return...Not happening so I have already moved on...But "GB" does it with some other wrinkles that I don't yet fully understand...I also like what Pitts does but here again they have their own identity and few can master their way...The 85 Bears had their "46-D" and it was devastating...But the attempts to copy it have failed...Than there is Baltimore and their "D" which the Jets now run effectively also...So how many good "D"s are currently out there...

"SD" was #1 but does anyone really think so...Stats aren't all that matters...Right!!!...

Pitts is good and few would even question that...

The Jets are also but are they #2???.....

"NO" is rated #4 but do we really assign that to them...

"GB" ranked at #5 proved to be too much for Pitts and I believe that...

Than you have Miami/Giants/Vikes/Bears before Baltimore.....Personally I would take the Raven's "D" over any of them...They only allowed 270 pts on the season....Pitts 232 -n- "GB" 240....So here in my projection of the dominate "D"s of our modern era...

#1 Pitts...

#2 "GB"...

#3 Baltimore...

Our Raiders are on their way back with the #2 rated but I would project the #1 Pass "D" in the whole NFL...Hold onto that and improve in the Run stopping aspects and we are right their...We now have one of the best "DL"s in the game and our "LB"s need to improve and I'm thinking they soon will....

PantyRaider....Careful What You Change....Easier To Lose Than To Gain!!!!/_

8:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ya!!...Right!!!...

Our "Forefathers" were "Terrorist" and now in our modern era those same tactics are projected as Demonic....

Well I guess that fits the Raiders too who came up with their own way to attack an opponent and have stuck with it threw time while others try to find their identities by being "CopyCat" of what ever has worked before...

Kinda like how the modern day "Terrorist" copy what has worked for our "Forefathers" of the past...

Well except for the "Belt Bombs" that are prolly patterned after the Kamikaze Pilots of Japan....

Not a very well thought out analogy but I will just consider the source....

PantyRaider...Just Laughin At Cha Baby!!!/_

PantyRaider...

9:02 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

What gibberish! That makes no sense at all.

When something doesn't work, logic suggests trying something else. Where's the logic in retaining the same failed defensive philosophy year after year?

All this time off from football to reflect on past failures (and recent successes) and your judgement is as clouded as ever.

11:03 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR - Your "arguments" are fill of holes.

First off, the vast majority of professional DBs have experience playing M2M and Zone. To suggest that a professional DB is incapable of playing either is a fallacy.

Confusion -n- surprise...For how long...1 week...2 weeks until it becomes expected and anticipated..."

When a team mixes M2M with Zone, the opponent doesn't know what to expect until they reach the LOS. Think of mixing M2M with Zone as no different than mixing run plays with pass plays. It is game management, play calling, and knowing the situation. It is keeping the opponent unsure, guessing, off-balance, etc.

Improved techniques...Well perhaps over time but at what cost during that transition period and how long would it take to transcend that gap...1 season...2 seasons..."

Is it LONG overdue to use coaching, training camp, pre-season to be able to properly execute both pass coverages? Just because there is a so called "transition" doesn't mean it is a sound idea. The fact is that there is multiple transitions that take place from game to game, season to season due to the changing personnel, coaching staff, and other variables. Football is a fluid, sophisticated, changing, competitive sport. To not play zone because (a) we only play M2M (b) are players are only familiar with M2M (c) are players are supposedly better at M2M is nothing more than a weak ass excuse for being ill prepared.


"Our familiarity with a system...Confusion and mistrust of fellow players who make mistakes while second guessing what to do..."

There won't be any confusion, mistrust, and second guessing if the team prepares, practices, studies, and fine tunes their execution in playing zone.

"Our strong identity as the last remaining "M-M" Press "B-n-R" coverage team...Our element of being different and having to be attacked differently..."

We can still have the identity of a predominantly M2M team but use zone enough to not be so damn predictable.

"Perhaps our #1 ranking as a Pass "D" as we become similar to everyone else and easy to attack the way "OC"s have learned to attack the Zone..."

Don't get lost and misguided by distorted stats. The cold hard truth is that teams have run against us because our run defense is so soft. The year (2006) we had the BEST pass coverage we won 2 games. OCs know how to attack both M2M and zone ... furthermore, who said we would be playing the majority of snaps in zone? I was calling for a 75% to 25% split.

6:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Go look at the reality before you speak...That "D" was working to the tune of being the #1 pass "D" which is where your gripe is about the Pass coverage...Now that's just plain "gibberish!" exponentially...

"your judgement is as clouded as ever." is most certainly the reality at hand....

PantyRaider...Fool Trying To Master The One Liners!!!/_

9:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

We will totally disagree: This...

#1...Think of mixing M2M with Zone as no different than mixing run plays with pass plays.

NO...That's Apples -n- Oranges and does not relate...No possible relationship there what so ever...Rushing plays -n- Passing plays are run out of the exact same formations which is plainly not true of the pass coverages where "DB" line up in different formations...I think your confusing this with coming up to the "LOS" to show blitz and than backing out of it at the snap of the ball...NOT even the same...

#2...First off, the vast majority of professional DBs have experience playing M2M and Zone. To suggest that a professional DB is incapable of playing either is a fallacy.

I'm NOT the one suggesting it...Go read the Scouts/"Mediot's/Self proclaimed NFL Draft Experts/Coaches and some Owners not to mention many players themselves...Or don't you believe what you read about how much more difficult it is to play on an "Island" in the Raiders "M-M" philosophy????....

#3...Just because there is a so called "transition" doesn't mean it is a sound idea.

Think you misplaced a word or two...

(c) are players are supposedly better at M2M is nothing more than a weak ass excuse for being ill prepared.

Really!!!...And just how "ill prepared." was the #1 Pass "D" that the Raiders ran last season???...I will admit the experiment with the Zone in the Red Zone was a failure and that the players were "ill prepared" to run it...Not just from the standpoint of practice time but also regarding the obvious confusion that resulted as receivers ran free uncovered...Or do you suspect that was the desired results!!..

9:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

#4...There won't be any confusion, mistrust, and second guessing if the team prepares, practices, studies, and fine tunes their execution in playing zone.

WHY!!!...They are the #1 Pass "D" without it...Just what the hell are you trying to improve...One step forward many times equals 2 steps back...Be careful what you sacrifice...Had we not experimented with the Zone in he Red Zone we may have won a few more games...Just why do you suppose "MarshMellow" got run...And if you recall I was the one calling for that move by season's end...

#5...The cold hard truth is that teams have run against us because our run defense is so soft.

Bravo...I agree and I pointed out that our "D" is predicated on a strong "O" that takes teams out of their highly conservative run-run-run game plans and forces them to air out that "Pig" instead...This puts them at a disadvantage thus they tried to avoid it and puts us at the advantage..Now just why do you suppose that is the case when in this modern era of football every NFL team wants to air out the "Pig"???....

Go get some #'s that show those teams running more than they throw the "Pig" and I will accept your point here...Otherwise I know they wanted to pass but avoided it out of respect and fear of what we run...

The year (2006) we had the BEST pass coverage we won 2 games.

Point well taken because we were also the worst "O" in the history of the Raiders...Well at least sense Al Davis came to the team in "62"...Now are you pimping the "SOB" here???...

#6....OCs know how to attack both M2M and zone ...

I totally disagree...Most as indicated by the #'s failed to exploit our Pass Coverage at all and tried to avoid facing it buy running that "Pig"...If our "O" had been better productive at least 5 more "V"s could be in those books...Tenn/"AZ"/"SF"/Miami/Indy...

Pitts just kicked our asses and Jacks/Houston ran down our throats despite our "O"s gains and points scored...But few will have the running attacks to continue to do such if our "O" is productive...

PantyRaider....Why Bitch About What Is Working...Run "D" Is Another Issue!!!/_

9:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Stats to sink you teeth into:
_________________________________
Tennessee Titans:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 30%
13/17/154yds/2 "TD"s

Rushing: 70%
39/205yds/3 "TD"s

2010 Season:

Passing: 54%
474/3107yds

Rushing: 46%
406/1727yds
_________________________________

St. Luis Rams:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 54%
14/25/167yds/2 "TD"s/Int

Rushing: 46%
21/75yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 58%
590/3268yds

Rushing: 42%
429/1578yds
__________________________________

Arizona Cardinals:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 50%
12/26/122yds/2 "TD"s/Int

Rushing: 50%
26/119yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 64%
561/2921yds

Rushing: 36%
320/1388yds
__________________________________

Houston Texans:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 45%
16/29/192yds/2 "TD"s

Rushing: 56%
36/249yds 2 "TD"s

2010 Season:

Passing: 54%
574/4144yds

Rushing: 46%
423/2042yds
_________________________________

San Diego Chargers:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 62%
27/42/431yds/2 "TD"s

Rushing: 38%
26/91yds "TD"

2010 Season:

Passing: 54%
544/4519yds

Rushing: 46$
457/1810yds
_________________________________

San Francisco 49ers:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 52%
16/33/196yds/2 "TD"s

Rushing: 48%
31/158yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 52%
500/3356yds

Rushing: 48%
401/1657yds
_________________________________

Denver Broncos:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 63%
12/29/198yds/2 "TD"s/Int

Rushing: 37%
17/75yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 59%
580/4038yds

Rushing: 41%
398/1544yds
_________________________________

Seattle Seahawks:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 63%
13/32/163yds/Int

Rushing: 37%
19/47yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 55%
544/3341yds

Rushing: 45%
385/1424yds
_________________________________

Kansas City Chiefs:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 51%
20/35/216yds/2 "TD"s/Int

Rushing: 49%
34/104yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 46%
475/2968yds

Rushing: 54%
556/2627yds
__________________________________

Pittsburgh Steelers:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 47%
18/29/275yds/3 "TD"s

Rushing: 53%
33/162yds/2 "TD"s

2010 Season:

Passing: 50%
479/3601yds

Rushing: 50%
471/1924yds
__________________________________

Miami Dolphins:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 38%
17/30/307/2 "TD"/Int

Rushing: 62%
49/186yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 56%
557/3527yds

Rushing: 44%
445/1643yds
_________________________________

San Diego Chargers:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 83%
23/39/280yds/"TD"/Int

Rushing: 17%
8/21yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 54%
544/4519yds

Rushing: 46$
457/1810yds
__________________________________

Jacksonville Jaguars:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 39%
11/22/159yds/3 "TD"s/Int

Rushing: 61%
34/234yds/2 "TD"s

2010 Season:

Passing: 48%
469/3065yds

Rushing: 52%
512/2395yds
_________________________________

Denver Broncos:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 33%
8/16/138yds/"TD"

Rushing: 67%
33/106yds

2010 Season:

Passing: 59%
580/4038yds

Rushing: 41%
398/1544yds
_________________________________

Indianapolis Colts:

Against Oakland: Victory

Passing: 43%
16/30/179yds/3 "TD"s/2 Int's

Rushing: 57%
39/191/"TD"

2010 Season:

Passing: 64%
679/4608yds

Rushing: 36%
393/1483yds
_________________________________

Kansas City Chiefs:

Against Oakland: Loss

Passing: 55%
13/36/142yds/2 Int's

Rushing: 45%
29/115yds/"TD"

2010 Season:

Passing: 46%
475/2968yds

Rushing: 54%
556/2627yds
__________________________________

PantyRaider...What "OC"s Altered Their Game Plans And Why!!!!/_

3:41 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Raiders (and this one) think they have a better way to play than the rest of the NFL. Only it's not working, and it hasn't worked for at least a decade.

"Back to the basics" for the 10th year in a row.

When will the Raiders defense graduate from "the basics" and field a modern, professional football defense?

"...[Routt] admitted that playing man coverage against concepts like a three-man bunch set is 'hard as hell to do.'"

Of course it is. But why would we change? We'll just keep drafting DBs and overpaying them to play under impossible circumstances.

4:11 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now your lying again...

"Only it's not working, and it hasn't worked for at least a decade."

LIAR...

8 seasons ago (2002) it got us to that "SB"...

Last season we were the #1 Pass 'D" in the entire NFL while you continue to cry false trips about our Pass Coverages...You dumb ignorant fool!!!...When does it sink in that what you cry about is our strength...Only someone as shallow as a fool could possibly continue to cry like you do about "M-M" Coverage that worked so damn well...Better than any Zone run by any other team in the entire NFL...

Pure stupidity!!!....Unworthy of the slightest consideration...

9:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

2000 AFCW Champs -n- "PO" team...

2001 AFCW Champs -n- "PO" team...

2002 AFC Champs -n- "SB" Team...

2010...8-n-8 defeating everyone in our division and the #1 Pass "D" in the entire NFL...

Now on into the future while you continue to cry lies as you bash my Raiders like the "Hater" that you apparently are...

9:50 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

2002 was 8 years ago?

Anyway, if our defense was so good last year, why did Davis fire (or let go of) Marshall?

You have your facts mixed up with the truth. You've been shoveling the same shit for so long, you've absolutely convinced yourself the Raiders can do nothing wrong.

Yet here we are almost ten years removed from a winning season.

There must be a better way of doing things than the way the Raiders have done it the past ten years.

It's obvious you don't understand. Failure has a way of repeating itself unless something RELEVANT changes.

Wake up, spanky. The only liar on this board is you. And you're only lying to yourself, because nobody else is buying your BS.

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

goddamn, will someone please shut this PantyRaider up? I have never seen such pointless and useless drivel posted anywhere on the Internet. Is there some kind of censor button on here so I don't have to spend my entire time on hear scrolling by his useless comments? Good Lord, talk abouta brainwashed cult member.

Sarasota Raider

3:23 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR writes, "2010...8-n-8 defeating everyone in our division and the #1 Pass "D" in the entire NFL..."

You are completely misguided by saying we had the "#1 pass D".

If the Raiders had the "best" pass D, how you can you possibly explain the following;

How can the "best" pass D give up the most pass yds. average? Look it up. The Raiders were ranked #31 giving up a 13.3 yard avg.

How can the "best" pass D give up 29 passing TDs? The Raiders were ranked #28 in the league in this category.

How can the "best" pass D create only 12 total INTs all season long? This is ranked #26.

How can the "best" pass D give up 51 pass plays of 20+ yards? The Raiders were ranked #22.

These stats give a more accurate picture than a completely distorted # like total yards gained. Why? Because as I've mentioned numerous times, our opponent's over the past 9 seasons have mostly run on our soft D, built up a lead, and rushed the ball some more to run out the clock.

PR, if you want to be completely honest, you would realize that our pass D gave up too many big plays, gave up too many TDs, created to few turnovers. These are the FACTS and they are indisputable.

6:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Your full of shit and can't support anything with the slightest smidgin of evidence in support while I on the other hand have loaded this thread up with substantiated documented evidence in support of my takes/opinions...Yours is only to Bash Mr Davis and everything he does with stupid unsupported tripe -n- outright lies while you contradict yourself like this...

"it hasn't worked for at least a decade."

"Yet here we are almost ten years removed from a winning season"

"at least a decade" would denote 10 seasons at the minimum but perhaps more so therefore I listed 10+1 seasons for review...2000-2010 in which we didn't have a "Losing Season" in 4 of those 11 seasons or 36%...Go back 13 seasons and it's 5 out of 13 or 38%...That's quite different than your lie stated...

PantyRaider...Document It...Put Up Or Shut Up!!!/_

10:35 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

AnnoAss 3:23....

The Shadow strikes again Right!!!...

Read it and weep if that's all you got's...

PantyRaider...Typical Unsubstantiated Tripe!!!/_

10:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Well at least you come to the table with some factual evidence to support your take/opinion...Which is what by the way...That M-M" coverage doesn't work that the Zone is better or that the Raiders are _________???...

In any analysis all things need to be taken into account and weighed out to evaluate what is better...So the 1st question I would present is of the teams who ranked higher than us in your stats which one/ones also ranked as well or better than us in....

Yds Allowed.........#11
1st Dns Allowed.....#13
Fumbles Lost........#10

Passing "D"..

Attempts............#1
Yards...............#2
Net Yd Ave..........#10

And lets keep it on the subject...Passing "D" and NOT Rushing "D"..."M-M" as opposed to Zone...Press as opposed to Cushion...

You stated:

#1...The Raiders were ranked #31 giving up a 13.3 yard avg.

I question that stat so where is it from...Is this the gross or net yds passing ave or including rushing plays because presented here is totally different info ranking us at #10 Net Yds Passing...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2010.htm

#2...How can the "best" pass D give up 29 passing TDs? The Raiders were ranked #28 in the league in this category.

Yes and I called attention to that fact as well...We were experimenting with the Zone when up against the goal line and I speculated that had we not been doing so we may have won a few more games...

#3...How can the "best" pass D create only 12 total INTs all season long? This is ranked #26.

Just as I also posted...The potential for mistakes and takeaways was diminished by the fact that fewer pass plays were initiated against the Raider's "D" than with any other team's "D" in the NFL....So it should come to no surprise that some stats suffered as a result...Likewise the fact is that "OC"s avoided passing in Nam's vicinity and his "Int" stats have also suffered over time as a direct result of getting very few opportunities...This should make perfect sense and it supports what I'm pimping...Teams fear to air out that "Pig" against our "M-M" coverage...

#4...How can the "best" pass D give up 51 pass plays of 20+ yards? The Raiders were ranked #22.

That's one stat I hadn't seen...But tell me this...Was the bulk of this against "M-M" or Zone coverage....If it was against "M-M" it would denote a tendency to give up the big play while limiting consistency in the passing game...Every "D" is designed to take something away but also most have their weaknesses too....

Further things to evaluate in this stat...Against who??...Was this with Nam out??...Was this against our rookies??..

Than This:

Our "D" faced a total of 470 passing attempts...Those 51 attempts that you noted constitute less than 11% of those 470 pass attempts...Overall net yard ave was only 5.9yds per pass...249/470 3027yds....The ave completion could not be more than 12yds....So how did you come up with this 13.3 yard avg giving us a #31 ranking???....

PantyRaider....#'s Tell A Story Whether Some Want To Accept It Or Not!!!/_

11:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Here is one for the record...


Huff’s fate was likely sealed (as well as defensive coordinator John Marshall) last Dec. 12, when he surrendered a 48-yard touchdown pass to Jason Hill in a 38-31 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

It came on a second-and-18 play with two tight ends and a single back, with Huff giving up the scoring play to Hill in man coverage in an alignment that didn’t include a cornerback.

Obviously the "MarshMellow" was flirting with disaster in that one...Huff all alone in "M-M" coverage on a "WR" with NO "CB" in the game????....What type of coverage were they playing??...What was the scheme here???...

PantyRaider....50 Left To Evaluate!!!/_

11:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

While trying to evaluate just what it is that you bring to this board there is just This:
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I see Bresnahan as no more than a "yes" man to Al Davis, perhaps even exceeding Rob Ryan in this department.....it's not so he could run his own defensive schemes....

So the question is, will this year's defense be ALLOWED to step out of the dark ages?

I can see no valid reason for his hire... which is akin to Davis bringing back Shell or Walsh.

Bresnahan fell below the NFL standard, and Davis scooped him up like a prize.

Funny how the Raiders' philosophy on defense stays the same, DC after DC, but folks still believe Al Davis isn't involved.

As long as it's Al Davis's way, it must be the right way... despite all results to the contrary.

Where's the logic in retaining the same failed defensive philosophy year after year?

When will the Raiders defense graduate from "the basics" and field a modern, professional football defense?

But why would we change? We'll just keep drafting DBs and overpaying them to play under impossible circumstances.

There must be a better way of doing things than the way the Raiders have done it the past ten years.
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That's it!!...Many many tears about what exactly...That the "MarshMellow" got run just as I posted he should and would...Suppose you miss Tommy Boy Cable as well...All last season you did your best to bash both those coaches saying they were Al's "Yes Man" but the "MarshMellow" did weird things totally contrary to the Raider Philosophy and now you post that everything has remained the same saying Bresnahan won't be allowed to coach the "D"...

Contradiction upon contradiction is all you post...Your comments are laced with it...With each passing "DC" the evidence continues to mount as each has put his individual stamp on the Raider's schemes while your still in denial of the reality that is...

Wake up and get your head out of your ass...

The 1998-99 Raider "D" under Willie Shaw was not the same as 2000-2003 under Brsnahan which changed again from 2004-2008 under "SOB" and again from 1009-1010 under Marsh...

Under Marsh we ran a "52" scheme and the Zone Coverage -w- Cushion and this damn dumb crap without a "CB" on the freakin field that your hero "J-Mac" posted about...None of that was run under either Shaw/Bresanhan or "SOB"....But you still think everything remains the same...

PantyRaider...Pure Blind Stupidity -n- Far Fetched Lies!!!/_

1:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I posted this info towards the beginning of this thread but now do again because it totally applies to my arguments here...Our "O" was #1 in the NFL and teams had to throw that "Pig" or get totally left behind...Notice that that stats are a reversal of what we faced last season....More passing than Rushing...The end result was a trip to that season's "SB" and subsequent loss to the best "D" in the NFL at that time..."TB"s Cover II which is far from the case today....


"02" Raiders "D" under Bresahan as "DC"

Points Scored...#6
Yds Gained......#11
1st dns.........#24
Pass Attempts...#25
Pass Yds........#23
"TD"s...........#15
INTs............#5
Net Yds Ave......#12
Rushing.........#4
Rush Yds........#3
Rush "TD"s......#11
Yds Ave........#4
Take Away.......#8
Fumbles Gained..#23

With a very effective "O" the opposing teams were forced to air it out and abandon their running games...That created an environment for increased mistakes and the Raider's "DB"s were able to take advantage of the situation and were #5 in INTs/#8 in Take Aways...They gave up pass completions/yards -n- 1st dns but were #6 against scoring while being #15 against the dreaded pass "TD"...#11 against the rush "TD"...

This should give some a preview of what to expect this season under Bresnahan if Hue -n- Sanders get that "O" as productive as it looks possible...But this time as the top rushing "O" that eats up that clock and put's opposing teams at even more of a disadvantage as their plays are limited and time too...

2010 Season: "D"....

Points Scored.......#20
Yds Allowed.........#11
1st Dns Allowed.....#13
Turn Overs..........#22
Fumbles Lost........#10

Passing "D"..

Attempts............#1
Yards...............#2
"TD"s...............#28
Int's...............#25
Net Yd Ave..........#10

Rushing "D"

Attempts............#26
Yards...............#29
"TD"s...............#20
Yds Ave.............#23

Total Pass Attempts/yds 470/3027
Total Rush Attempts/yds 474/2138

PantyRaider...Help Is Already Here!!!/_

3:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Past Dominance Doesn't Translate To Today...

"TB"'s Cover II -vs- Raider's "M-M"

Overall....#17.........#11
Passing....#7..........#2
Rushing....#28.........#29
Sacks......#30.........#2 Tie
Scoring....#9..........#20
Int's......#8..........#25

But "TB" finished 10-n-6 while the Raiders were 8-n-8...Both 3rd in their respective divisions...Both team sunk after their "02" "SB" appearance....

I will wager we have the better of it this season though...And go farther into the "PO"s...

PantyRaider...Return To Glory Is At Hand!!!/_

3:55 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Hay AnnoAss 3:23....

Your eyes hurt yet...Get a grip!!...More to follow!!!...

3:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I rest my case. Your posts are complete gibberish.

Only a moron would exert such effort to defend a defense that fired its DC and will potentially lose key players to free agency.

If I am to believe everything that Al Davis does is correct, then he must have been correct to let Marshall go.

See? You can't have it both ways.

Either the D underperformed or Davis is wrong. Which is it?

This whole thing started with a quote by Routt which has been repeated by other players that the Raiders defense is too simple.

Leave it to a simpleton to believe it's just right.

Stop pretending you have a clue.

5:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PR, all the stats that I provided can be found at:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RECEIVING/2010/regular

My take is that the Raiders pass defense would be better off by mixing in enough zone coverage (ie. 25%) to be less predictable. I believe a sophisticated, adaptable, flexible, creative pass defense is more dynamic.

CJ

7:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

You never presented a case...Just moronic one liners you gleamed from past "Mediot" "HateTripers" like yourself...

This:

Only a moron would exert such effort to defend a defense that fired its DC and will potentially lose key players to free agency.

You:

Funny how the Raiders' philosophy on defense stays the same, DC after DC, but folks still believe Al Davis isn't involved.

Hypocrite Contradictions of yourself...If NO "DC" is running things than why all the despair over the "MarshMellow" getting run???....

This:

If I am to believe everything that Al Davis does is correct, then he must have been correct to let Marshall go.

You: Confusion???...

Where's the logic in retaining the same failed defensive philosophy year after year?

Marshall Failed and was replaced just as I posted many months ago he should be...How is that so difficult to comprehend...Defensive failures cost us a trip into the "PO"s...

This:

Either the D underperformed or Davis is wrong. Which is it?

You: Crying...

Anyway, if our defense was so good last year, why did Davis fire (or let go of) Marshall?

Are you totally DENSE???...

This:

This whole thing started with a quote by Routt which has been repeated by other players that the Raiders defense is too simple.

What Specifically about that "D" was Routt speaking about...The pass rush...The "LB" play...The 4-3 scheme...The run "D"...Or was it specifically regarding only one aspect...Pass Coverage...And don't the stats overwhelming support the fact that Pass coverage was the strongest part of that "D"....Or are you too damn dense and blind to see anything in reality...

Your more like a religious fanatic that ignores all evidence posted against your belief structure...Or an evolutionist who throws out as erroneous any data that doesn't support your agenda...Or a political fool who believes everything he's told rather to look into the overwhelming possibilities of some sort of foul play at work....

Just close your eyes and keep marching to that "HateTrip" Drummer...Right!!!..

PantyRaider....Have Had Discussions With Children That Can Make More Sense Than You!!!/_

9:15 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

"GB" was dynamic and I agree with that...But than so is Pitts -n- Baltimore...So should we now scarp our defensive philosophy and follow everything to their lead...Damn!!!...Now how would the NFL look if every team played this game the same way on every given play while coping whoever just won the last "SB"...Not to mention having to turn over your rosters to play in it..Trying to find that many quality players to fit the coverage would most certainly put a strain on the already thin labor pool.....

What's so wrong with our Raiders having their own very strong identity...I rather like that element of the game and that not all teams are constructed the same....

Now back to the #'s...

So according to this site we were tied at #10 Passes 40+ yards...Not Bad!!!...

They post a huge discrepancy in total passing yds at 3319 to come up with that 13.3 yd ave per completion...NOT per attempt as I posted...Isn't the goal of pass coverage to limit the # of receptions...So wouldn't it be much better to consider what the ave gain was per attempt instead of per completion???...We had the fewest completions of any NFL franchise...249/470...53% completion rate is pretty damn good in my book...Only the Jets posted better at 50.7%...5.9yd ave per attempt is also pretty damn good too...

Had you clicked here on the same site you would see the same data as I posted...The other must be Gross and not adjusted by losses such as sacks and such....47 sacks @ 292yds...Why!!...Perhaps because the "QB"s were forced to hold the ball a little longer than they wanted and gave time for our pass rush to get there...I would post that as a plus for "M-M" coverage...Wouldn't you??...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2010/regular

Lets take a look at Int's:

12/470 attempts...2.5% Intercepted...

12/249 completions...5% Interception rate...Double right...Just because I look at it in a different light...Which way is the best way to evaluate this stat...

"GB" was 5.5% Interceptions to completions...3% completions to attempts...So we were close to the "SB" Champs in this regard...1/2% off...Is that really enough to cry about...They were the #5 Pass "D" and also run allot of "M-M" coverage...Speaks pretty damn load to me...Especially sense I also like their "D"..

I think I have enough statistical data to support the Raiders sticking with what works for them while they make further improvements in run "D" mainly at the "LB"s were we fell short the most last season....Bresnahan was a "LB" coach and had the best "LB" core in his last assignment so with the addition of Bikert and the maturing of "DeathRo" from his rookie campaign we should be improving...I think...

PantyRaider...We Will Disagree But The #'s Support Al's Philosophy!!!/_

10:04 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hey, Crack Head, answer the question. Why did Davis let Marshall go if the defense was working so well, as you clearly state and imply with your stats?

Davis has wasted years, maybe decades looking for the perfect storm of players and coaching to operate a defense that simply can't exist at a high competitive level in the modern era of the NFL.

Ergo, Welcome to Shangri la.

You are too freakin dumb to see the nose in front of your face. You rattle off stats like they actually mean something for the upcoming season.

We are at Square One on defense, again.

With all the B.S. that is happening in the NFL, pending free agency and the change in coacing, stats couldn't be more meaningless than they are right now.

Get a freakin clue! Wow! You are dumb.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dumbass PantyRaider, answer the question that NYRaider keeps asking you about Marshall and the defense!! Stop being a coward and avoiding the question. You clearly are retarded!!




Sarasota Raider

2:56 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,

I hate to say it but ... your explanations for the stats I provided are off-base, unsound, ridiculous, illogical on every possible level.

#1...The Raiders were ranked #31 giving up a 13.3 yard avg.

PR: "I question that stat so where is it from...Is this the gross or net yds passing ave or including rushing plays because presented here is totally different info ranking us at #10 Net Yds Passing..."

CJ Rebuttal: The stats are legit. 13.3 is the average yards gained on each pass completion vs. the Raiders. We are actually in a tie for dead last with Denver. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with rushing plays.

#2...How can the "best" pass D give up 29 passing TDs? The Raiders were ranked #28 in the league in this category.

PR: "Yes and I called attention to that fact as well...We were experimenting with the Zone when up against the goal line and I speculated that had we not been doing so we may have won a few more games..."

CJ Rebuttal: We gave up a few TDs in zone but the VAST majority were in M2M. The FACT that we played M2M well over 90% of the time means the # of TDs plays in zone was very minimal. If I had to guess, I would venture it was less than 5. Also, the fact that we don't practice zone enough in training camp and practices throughout the season means we shouldn't be "experimenting" with it. On the contrary, we should be prepared to play zone no ifs, ands, or buts.

#3...How can the "best" pass D create only 12 total INTs all season long? This is ranked #26.

PR: "Just as I also posted...The potential for mistakes and takeaways was diminished by the fact that fewer pass plays were initiated against the Raider's "D" than with any other team's "D" in the NFL....So it should come to no surprise that some stats suffered as a result...Likewise the fact is that "OC"s avoided passing in Nam's vicinity and his "Int" stats have also suffered over time as a direct result of getting very few opportunities...This should make perfect sense and it supports what I'm pimping...Teams fear to air out that "Pig" against our "M-M" coverage..."

CJ rebuttal: Good grief ... where to begin with the above mess. The Raiders D had 29.4 pass attempts per game and 12 total INTs. GBay's D had 32.9 pass attempts per game and 24 INTs. So in other words we had less than 3 more passes attemped per game than GBay YET GBay DOUBLED the # of INTS. With 1 deep FS, a SS near the LOS and CBs playing M2M with their back often facing the QB, is it any secret why we had do few INTs? Nope.

#4...How can the "best" pass D give up 51 pass plays of 20+ yards? The Raiders were ranked #22.

PR: "That's one stat I hadn't seen...But tell me this...Was the bulk of this against "M-M" or Zone coverage....If it was against "M-M" it would denote a tendency to give up the big play while limiting consistency in the passing game...Every "D" is designed to take something away but also most have their weaknesses too...."

CJ rebuttal: Come on PR, get real. Of course the bulk of the big plays were we are in M2M. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. If we are playing almost exclusively in M2M, what do you think is the answer. Geez.

PR: "Further things to evaluate in this stat...Against who??...Was this with Nam out??...Was this against our rookies??.."

CJ rebuttal: Against the 16 teams we played. Period. Nam only missed a couple games. The rookies played a minimal # of snaps. You are reaching for straws.

6:54 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Go look at previous post...That dumb question was already answered and your stupid line of crap doesn't merit another reply...

Nothing but pointless -n- endless contentions without the slightest foundation what so ever....

8:46 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

AnnoAss 2:56....

You TRUTHFULLY are the "coward" and always have been....

8:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"..

You rebuttal was a day late...Further info was posted regarding your stats...You construed them to look negative toward the Raiders picking out only what you wanted....

Keep it on the subject matter: "D" against the Pass...

#1...ranked #31 giving up a 13.3 yard avg

Fact is:

#10 @ 5.9yd "Net" ave per "Attempt" which is how those stats are kept -n- reported anywhere except some "FF" site reporting "D" against "Receptions"....Now that's dumb...

Add in:

47 sacks reducing the gross by 292yds....

Add in this:

53% completion rate rated at #2...Only one team did better...

#2....We gave up a few TDs in zone but the VAST majority were in M2M.

Post that info with facts to substantiate it...We both know we played Zone when down deep with our backs to the wall..

#3...How can the "best" pass D create only 12 total INTs all season long? This is ranked #26.

My bad on the "GB" stats...I was on the wrong column when I picked out the #16...#24 is correct and I did say I liked "GB"s "D" and ranked them as the 2nd best in the NFL to Pitts...We all make mistake but the difference is I always correct mine...

527 attempts = 33 per game...
470 attempts = 29 per game...
False: Less than 4 separation NOT 3...Now we're both corrected...

My points stand in this regard as previously reported...We had the fewest receptions of any "D"...249...Less attempts means less opportunities...

I will add however this:

In the past the Raiders have been very high in Int stats...Why??...We were still playing "M-M"..."02" for instance we were the #5 rated "D" in that category just 8 seasons before...So it's obviously NOT "M-M" coverage that's to blame here...Let's see if Bresahan can bring back what he did in "02"...

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#4...How can the "best" pass D give up 51 pass plays of 20+ yards? The Raiders were ranked #22.

Here again you reported only what was negative in an attempt to paint a bleaker picture of the Raiders...

We are tied at #10 in passes of 40+ yds....

Now to further address the apparent weakness you discovered against the big play in the 20 yd range....

The "QB"s were forced to hold the ball a little longer due to "M-M" coverage giving more time and opportunity for our pass rush to get to the "QB"...Many many hurries were accumulated but not reported here...So it stands to reason that those receivers would be a little deeper than if pass could have been thrown more quickly thus accounting for a higher yardage ave per completion but also lower completion percentage per attempt which is what our "D" intends to do....Limit receptions...

The big play was a negative and Marsh was run prolley largely on that account according to your favorite "Mediot" who I posted to you already...Again as you recall I was the one calling for his head...

So to recap what you have discovered:

By the way The Raider are rated #1 in "Receiving Defense" on the site you posted...Guess you failed to note that point...

#1...We only intercepted 2.5% of the attempts thrown our way...Tied at #19 -w- Jacksonville in that regard...The NFL ave is 2.9% -w- a high of 4.5% by "GB" and a low of 1.85 by both "NO" -n- Indy...

Congrats!!...You have proven beyond any doubt that our "M-M" coverage was just slightly below ave when compared to the Zone in Int's....

#2...We gave up far too many big plays while maintaining a very good 53% completion rate while paling well against 40+ yrd receptions.....

#2.5...We gave up far too many "TD"s and ultimately lost games as a result but you have yet to prove that "M-M" was ultimately to blame here...We played Zone in the Red Zone which we both know to be so...

Your other point is totally discredited....We did very well regarding yds per attempt when factoring in sacks and our very low 53% completion rate...

But you have left a few questions on the table undeveloped...

Why did "OC"s alter the game plans (Pass -to- Rushes) when playing the Raiders??..

How is "M-M" to blame for less Ints's when in prior seasons our "M-M" coverage was very good at accumulating Int's??...

PantyRaider...Answer Me This!!!/_

12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"CJ"...

Regardless of how you slice -n- dice the #'s the facts are the facts...

#1...Our "D" failed us far too often thus the "MarshMellow" was rightfully replaced just as I was demanding he should be well prior to it taking place...I believe I was the 1st to demand it anywhere...Definitely on this board as well as others...

#2...Pass "D" was our strength and we were consistently rated high in most all aspects relating to Passing finishing at #1 or #2 depending upon what aspect is taken into focus....That's true anywhere you look so now if you still feel slighted by that fact than it needs to be taken up with everyone reporting the facts while I'm just the messenger...Stop trying to shoot me for reporting what you don't want to see...

#3...Rush "D" was again a weakness but should be attributed to our play at "LB" -n- "DL" but NOT the result of our "M-M" Pass Coverage in which our "DB"s made several score saving tackles...For the most part they did their jobs very damn well..

#4..."M-M" coverage as run by the Raiders has been our staple threw time and has attributed towards "PO" caliber "D"s both in our distant past and recent history including this past decade...The NFL has NOT changed so much sense 2002 to make that area of our game obsolete...Those past Pass "D"s performed very well in many of the aspects that your attempting now to blame on "M-M" coverage such as Int's/Scoring-n-Big Plays....

PantyRaider...Facts Are Facts And The #'s Tell The Truth!!!!/_

"Some" just don't understand how to interpret them...

2:33 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Why can't I sign in????....

2:36 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Why can't I sign in????....

2:37 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

WoW!!!...

CyberSpace is as strange as____________!!!!...

1st it won't post and than it stutters....

This:

Must have "Enter"ed tubular tabular turbulence reminiscent of Quirks penetrating empty voids of space at high velocity in thoughtless arrays of mindless contentions in the incapable of thought Zone!!!....

2:48 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said:

"CJ"..You rebuttal was a day late...Further info was posted regarding your stats...You construed them to look negative toward the Raiders picking out only what you wanted...."
__________

Sorry, Calico. You missed the deadline. Plus, you're playing right into PR's conspiracy theory that ALL Raiders' fans that demonstrate a grounded perspective are hate-trippers against Al Davis.

If you would just stop hand-picking your stats and realize that the Raiders are an elite defense, then you would understand that it was last years' record-breaking offense that kept the defense from being #1.

It all makes sense when you think about it.

Now, we have a highly respected NFL DC from years back, Chuck Bresnahan, to take over Mr. D's defense and bring it to the next level.

Geez! Get with the program.

4:19 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Stir that pot fool!!!..

Have nothing constructive regarding the Raiders than why do you even post???...

At least "CJ" presents reasons for his stance even if I don't agree with them all...

While "Some" just do what "Some" do...CRY!!!....

6:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Listen, we don't have to agree, but you throw stats around like they're the answer to everything you wished for. I can't but into that. Sorry.

Forget for a minute that I believe your stats are misinterpreted. Stats are yesterday. The labor dispute is the NFL today. We might not even have football this year.

As it is, the Raiders will be behind the pack in terms of preparation, should the league resume anytime soon... if for no other reason than the coaching turnover (but also potential turnover caused by FA and the Raiders' perpetual regular season failures).

These are the realities of the sport and the team right now. Not some misguided interpretation of historical data.

Offer me something I can believe (or at least respect) and I will respond in kind.

8:48 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Pantywaste is a sock puppet. No sense wasting your time with it, responding to it only gives it a stage to post it's insane ramblings. Raider Take has been taken over by the "smell".

Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode when Jerry has his car infected with a case of B.O. that cannot be disinfected. It's a shame, this site could be a good site but the "smell" is just to overpowering, making it to stinky to stick around. The only way to rid the "smell" is to not feed it. The sock puppet vowed to ruin this site and it has done it.

JONES

9:37 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well there's just no accounting for "Sports Stupidity"!!!!...

"RT" reported a player's statement realistically as reported by another source while asking a very simple question...."Mix it up or not??"...

However in response under the influence of the typical "Sports Stupidity" that has been displayed on "this site for a few years" the would be "truth always arises" corkscrewed himself into yet another inescapable corner of stupidity with this:
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The SCHEME (LOL) of press coverage, man to man, beat the guy in front of you is what the Raiders have done since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Yes the FORMATIONS have changed somewhat depending on who the personel is, but the SCHEME has always been the same.
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"personel"...

What happened??...Your "Spell Checker" get scrambled???...

Here's the correction so you can add it as a new word in that malingered program....

PERSONNEL

Now about SCHEME...He said:

"The SCHEME of press coverage, man to man,"

Obviously he thinks both are the same and than this too???...

"beat the guy in front of you"
(LoL)...What be he talking about??

Back to Football 101 and he might have learned something but with such a learning disorder NOTHING ever sinks in...

#1...What the hell is "the SCHEME of Press Coverage"???...

Definition: "DB" Coverages

Defensive backs normally line up in two types of coverage. The first coverage is press. And in press coverage, the defensive back is usually within two yards of the wide receiver at the line of scrimmage. Most defensive backs will play bump and run coverage in this style.

The other formation for defensive backs is with cushion. When a defensive back gives a wide receiver cushion, he is usually five, ten and sometimes maybe even 15 yards back off the wide receiver.

#2...What is "M-to-M" Coverage...

Answer:__________________________

#3...Can "M-to-M" be incorporated with "Cushion Coverage"???...

Answer:__________________________

#4...Can "M-to-M" be accomplished without playing "B-n-R"...

Answer:__________________________

#5...What type of coverages did the Raiders "DB"s typically run last season???...

Answer:

Predominately "M-to-M" without "B-n-R" with both "Press" -n- "Cushion" Coverages...

Some "M-to-M"-"B-n-R" like was dominate in the old days...

Some "Zone" Mixed in predominately near their own goal line which frequently failed...

Now I know that was way over the wave lengths of his very limited brain waves...If any exist at all...But look at this stupid shit:

"Yes the FORMATIONS have changed"

What "Formations" dummy???...

"but the SCHEME has always been the same."

Do you ever even engage that noodle before you post...NO I thought NOT!!!...

"Formations" are changing but "Scheme" never does???...

WoW!!!...Now enlighten us on how your noodle came up with that one Mr TRUTH!!!...

And please explain this little jewel that dropped out of your ass...

"beat the guy in front of you"

Ha!!..."LoL"!!!...Did you intend them to beat the guy behind them???...Or across the field from them???...Or maybe the guy on the BENCH!!!...

PantyRaider...Stupidity Is SOOOoooo Dense!!!/_

10:03 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"beat the guy in front of you"....since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Traditional "D"...Baltimore Ravens...

"Sooner or later, you can't trick everybody," Lewis said. "Line up and beat the man in front of you. That's it. There ain't nothing to be concerned about.

"Bottom line, sooner or later, you have to line up and beat the man in front of you. If you're doing that, you've got nothing to hold your head down about."

Tedy Bruschi: NE Patiots...

You have to beat the man in front of you, but that was not happening along the entire front seven.

Eagles "D"...

Beat the man in front of you......or we'll find someone who can!"


OK!! Ass Hole now trace this crap back to Mr Davis...You can't...It's just a wide spread philosophy applied to a variety of sports from boxing to wrestling to football and applied equally when talking "O" or "D"...Front 7 or "OL"...In the run game or pass "D"...But your stupid enough to post your LIAR CRAP trying to link this to when Mr Davis joined the Raiders and now can't prove a word of it...Dug yourself into another deep abyss without escape and NO I won't set you free...

YOU HAVE NO TRUTH!!!!....

PantyRaider...Convicted -n- Hung From The Yards For Being The LIAR That You Are!!!/_

For the record: Quotes from
Lord Vince Lombardi

"You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn't mean a thing. That's for the fans. You've got to win the war with the man in front of you. You've got to get your man."

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/white/225/vince.htm

10:05 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

You don't dictate what is acceptable material to post...I deal in stat supported facts as stated and/or personal speculations based upon past -n- present factually supported information as so stated...NOT hypothetical lying crap vomited up by "HateTrippin" "Mediot"s and their idiot clones who know nothing about the game of football....

10:11 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

No doubt, Jones. The simplest statement is like opening a fire hydrant of gibberish.

Now he's resorting to correcting spelling errors. That's rich coming from a first-grade reader. Just shows what a hypocrite this clown really is.

I my defense, I guess I'm bored by the current state of things. It's not like anyone else is posting what could lend to a reasonable dialogue.

10:45 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I my defense,

11:14 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This Regarding "TJ"...I Love This Kid Already And "MrD" Stoled Him In The 4th...

Big-time colleges knew all about Jones during his standout career at Deer Valley High, but a subpar grade-point average made it impossible for Division I colleges to offer him a scholarship.

That turned out to be Eastern Washington’s gain. Assistant coach Chris Hansen took one look at Jones on videotape and offered him a scholarship soon thereafter.

“I’ll never get a player like him again,” said Hansen, the running backs coach at Eastern Washington. “We usually don’t get to touch players like Taiwan. They’re going to USC and Washington.”

Jones’ transformation from a struggling student into a successful one began with his being diagnosed with dyslexia his senior year at Deer Valley.

The diagnosis enabled Jones to get extra time on tests and assignments, which helped him get his GPA over the required 2.0 so that he could play at Eastern Washington after redshirting one season.

“How do you pass up a guy that can make plays like that?” Jackson said soon after the Raiders selected Jones. "As I keep saying, you find a special talent, a guy that can score touchdowns as often and as fast as he can, and if he is sitting there, it’s hard to pass up those kinds of guys. I wouldn’t pass him up, and we didn’t pass him up. “… This guy is a tremendous, tremendous football player, and he is something special.”

“I’m a real versatile player,” Jones said. “I can return kicks, catch passes, block. I’ll do whatever it takes to help the team. I’ll work as hard as I can to reach my goal of playing in the NFL.”


Now add this: Pryor

Take That Statement From Hue And Apply It To Pryor And You Will Have The Raiders Future Press Release...

After the Supplemental Draft…He fits that same picture of a can't pass up talent...

PantyRiader....With The 3rd Pick In The 2012 NFL Draft The Raiders Select Pryor..."QB"-"SLASH"!!!/_

7:05 AM

11:17 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"If you would just stop hand-picking your stats" ... I know this is tongue-in-cheek sarcasm but it is funny when you think about it.

The stats that I picked should be a barometer for evaluating a pass defense.

- TDs (29) scored in the air ... isn't this (preventing TDs) what really counts? Isn't the bare of essence of defense preventing TDs?

- INTS (12) ... isn't this (creating turnovers) what usually tips the balance between W's and Ls?

- Avg. yards per completion (13.3) ... isn't this (not giving up big chunks of yardage) what sets the tone for 3rd down conversion?

- 20+ yard pass plays (51) ... isn't this (minimizing the # of big plays) the basis for determining momentum and the potential outcome of a game?

If you were to look at all the pass D statistics as a whole and use a wide angle lens to get a perspective on the team defense, IMHO, our pass defense was mediocre and certainly not elite.

The real question for debate is how do you improve the pass defense which in turn will enhance the wins/losses ledger?

In my mind, you do it by incorporating more looks, more exotic blitz packages, mixing M2M with zone, disguising your formations and schemes ... in a nutshell, you go from playing neanderthal checkers to 21st century chess.

We all know that the only way this is possible of happening is to hire a DC with the complete authority to run HIS D.

6:43 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

You managed to pick out a few areas where our Pass Coverages were insufficient...I don't deny they are...But our "M-M" coverages were still the best overall performance in the NFL when stacked up against all those Zones...

"our pass defense was mediocre and certainly not elite"

I won't dispute this simply because we can be better and we did exhibit weaknesses while being the best overall unit in the whole freakin NFL including all those Zone Coverage units...So here is my point...What makes you think our "M-M" coverage is at fault here...I fervently deny that as the case...Rather I would look to other areas of weakness and acknowledge that we needed a change at "DC" simply because although improved it just wasn't sufficient...

"DL"...

This unit played very well under Mike but again not sufficiently...Pass rush was tremendously improved and should even be better now with the maturing of Houston and another year with this unit intact...Rush "D" was still an area of concern here although there was noticeable improvement...Most rushing plays netted very little but we still gave up far too many that got to the 2nd level at critical times...

"LB"...

Here is where we had our biggest failures..."LB"s...They played well enough in pass coverage at times and assisted greatly in the pass rush but this unit failed miserably again at stopping the run...Far too many runners broke free from the 2nd level and into the 3rd as our "DB"s were again forced to make score saving tackles after substantial gains...

Do you suppose worrying about the rush failures of those in front of them exerts further strain on the "DB"s ability to stay with and concentrate on their coverages...I definitely project this as a huge distraction and very costly...Mistrust is a difficult issue to get over in any situation and most certainly a team sport like football...

"DeathRo" was a rookie with far too much put on his shoulders far too early...Trying to be the "QB" of the "D" while getting accustomed to the NFL level of play and keep in the game was a failure...He did well enough considering his circumstances but not well enough to earn any praise from those who evaluate such things..."Needs Improvement" is typically what I see with questions about his abilities that I personally don't question...

The return of Bieker is suppose to help this unit...Maturing of "DeathRo" should also...Bresnahan being a "LB" minded coach should also bring improvement perhaps in the way that they are incorporated into the 4-3 scheme....

9:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

As for this:

"more exotic blitz packages, mixing M2M with zone, disguising your formations and schemes"

Some of this I have also been pimping...

"more exotic blitz packages" definitely....

"mixing M2M with zone" is something I have pimped IF we were to get Winston Moss back and do it in the form of how "GB" plays it...Although I don't fully understand yet what they do I love the looks and the results...I'm sceptable about just mixing Zone in with our "M-M" without the proper understanding of how to make it balance as "GB" has done...The negatives have so far vastly outweighed any perceived benefits...

"disguising your formations and schemes"...Here is where I have been most vocal...Not just the "disguising" but the doing...I loved that "52 Defense" we ran against "SD" and the results we obtained...Playing it with the "Big-Nickle" against pass happy teams would in my book be the shit!!!...We get the pressure and we get the shut-down coverage -w- 3 "S"s -n- 2 "CB"s in the Pres...

Other than that playing more 3-4 in a hybrid scheme is very favorable to me also...Showing Blitz and coming out of it or not showing anything at all but bringing the delayed Blitz are good way to disguise that...

As far as disguising your Coverages how do you intend to do that...A little bit is hidden when lining up to blitz and pulling back into coverages but it's very obvious from the start whether your playing in the Press or with Cushion...Not sure how much Zone could be played with the Press..."M-M" can and is played with Cushion though not usually...

PantyRaider....The Real Key Here Is The "O"!!!/_

9:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Here is something to sink your teeth into if it true:

Glazer is reporting hearing from sources that the owners are pushing hard to allow franchises to designate up to three fifth and six year players with a right of first refusal status. The players are and will likely continue to fight this. So who know what we will end up with, but it is certainly far from a lock that the 2009 rules governing free agency will be back.

Damn let’s hope so!!!…That’s how we kept Timmy when the "MuleHead"s offed him big guaranteed $$$ trying to take him away….

This does a couple of things…

#1…It tells perspective buyers that were willing to fight for that player so they will have to be willing to exceed the limit on $$$$ to have an opportunity to take them away….Few players are worth such a venture to most teams so that in itself should diminish the takers…

#2…It reassures the player of our desire to keep them and gives us an opportunity to save their service if we can afford the price…This still gives the players an opportunity to shop around to establish their true value…

One draw-back…Teams who want to negotiate the Raiders into a difficult situation financially by offering the house $$$$ in hopes we are saddled with a huge contract that restricts us from making other moves down the road…But their also in danger if we don’t match that offer and elect to saddle them with it instead…

Bush may not be a "URFA" anyway due to him being on the NFI list his 1st season due to previous injuries from college....

Zack/Huff are the only 2 in critical danger and Galery if we wanted him...

PantyRaider...Need To Keep Quality Players Longer!!!/_

11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pantyraider 2008....." ... "08"s schedual is very favorable for the Raiders and half our division is falling on hard times and the other 1/4 didn't improve....Got older and status quot...."

"QB" should become a strength instead of a weakness just because JaMarcus will be the starter and get sufficient reps to prepare for the season....NO more "QB-ShuffleBoard" from game to game...."RB" by comity can work but "QB" by comity sucks the big one...."

"...Something has changed in the players and the game....We see players come and go and don't stay long enough to build that relationship with the team..."Attitude"...And that old team played consistant football...They knew their plays and the personel around them...Not like the last few years where every week is a continuation of "Training-Camp"...."
Please look at how Waste wrote personel the same way he is mocking me for...this guy is a complete joke. Also, I looked back over a couple yrs of comments in the archives...Waste has gone through and deleted many of his own posts. The guy wants no history of his BS metamorphosis, does anyone the remember the Panty from above? He had spelling errors in most of his posts....now he is the police...a freak, sock puppet.

JONES

1:51 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Yeah, it's bizarre someone so illiterate would call out anyone else for typos or misspellings. Grammatical mistakes multiple in his posts as fast as he can type.

Not sure what’s more offensive, PR correcting someone for a misspelled word or reading his same BS predictions year after year... while others mostly stick to grounded views which he criticizes as being anti-Raider.

What a tool.

6:18 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

LIAR!!...NO ESCAPE FROM YOUR LIES!!!...

All you found from me is "I Think"...

schedual is very favorable

"QB" should become a strength

Something has changed in the players and the game.

Very consistent with me now posting this directly above your crying crap...

PantyRaider...Need To Keep Quality Players Longer!!!/_

You will find NO lying crap like this from me!!....
__________________________________
the truth always arises and those who have been to this site for a few years know what the 'positives' say about this compared to the "doom and gloomers".

Everyone, well almost everyone, all know it's Al's defense and that won't change until he is gone. The SCHEME (LOL) of press coverage, man to man, beat the guy in front of you is what the Raiders have done since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Yes the FORMATIONS have changed somewhat depending on who the personel is, but the SCHEME has always been the same.
_________________________________

PantyRaider...Now Explain Yourself LIAR!!!/_

7:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well there's just no accounting for "Sports Stupidity"!!!!...

"RT" reported a player's statement realistically as reported by another source while asking a very simple question...."Mix it up or not??"...

However in response under the influence of the typical "Sports Stupidity" that has been displayed on "this site for a few years" the would be "truth always arises" corkscrewed himself into yet another inescapable corner of stupidity with this:
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The SCHEME (LOL) of press coverage, man to man, beat the guy in front of you is what the Raiders have done since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Yes the FORMATIONS have changed somewhat depending on who the personel is, but the SCHEME has always been the same.
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"personel"...

What happened??...Your "Spell Checker" get scrambled???...

Here's the correction so you can add it as a new word in that malingered program....

PERSONNEL

Now about SCHEME...He said:

"The SCHEME of press coverage, man to man,"

Obviously he thinks both are the same and than this too???...

"beat the guy in front of you"
(LoL)...What be he talking about??

Back to Football 101 and he might have learned something but with such a learning disorder NOTHING ever sinks in...

#1...What the hell is "the SCHEME of Press Coverage"???...

Definition: "DB" Coverages

Defensive backs normally line up in two types of coverage. The first coverage is press. And in press coverage, the defensive back is usually within two yards of the wide receiver at the line of scrimmage. Most defensive backs will play bump and run coverage in this style.

The other formation for defensive backs is with cushion. When a defensive back gives a wide receiver cushion, he is usually five, ten and sometimes maybe even 15 yards back off the wide receiver.

#2...What is "M-to-M" Coverage...

Answer:__________________________

#3...Can "M-to-M" be incorporated with "Cushion Coverage"???...

Answer:__________________________

#4...Can "M-to-M" be accomplished without playing "B-n-R"...

Answer:__________________________

#5...What type of coverages did the Raiders "DB"s typically run last season???...

Answer:

Predominately "M-to-M" without "B-n-R" with both "Press" -n- "Cushion" Coverages...

Some "M-to-M"-"B-n-R" like was dominate in the old days...

Some "Zone" Mixed in predominately near their own goal line which frequently failed...

Now I know that was way over the wave lengths of his very limited brain waves...If any exist at all...But look at this stupid shit:

"Yes the FORMATIONS have changed"

What "Formations" dummy???...

"but the SCHEME has always been the same."

Do you ever even engage that noodle before you post...NO I thought NOT!!!...

"Formations" are changing but "Scheme" never does???...

WoW!!!...Now enlighten us on how your noodle came up with that one Mr TRUTH!!!...

And please explain this little jewel that dropped out of your ass...

"beat the guy in front of you"

Ha!!..."LoL"!!!...Did you intend them to beat the guy behind them???...Or across the field from them???...Or maybe the guy on the BENCH!!!...

PantyRaider...Stupidity Is SOOOoooo Dense!!!/_

7:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"beat the guy in front of you"....since Al took over the team back in the 60's.

Traditional "D"...Baltimore Ravens...

"Sooner or later, you can't trick everybody," Lewis said. "Line up and beat the man in front of you. That's it. There ain't nothing to be concerned about.

"Bottom line, sooner or later, you have to line up and beat the man in front of you. If you're doing that, you've got nothing to hold your head down about."

Tedy Bruschi: NE Patiots...

You have to beat the man in front of you, but that was not happening along the entire front seven.

Eagles "D"...

Beat the man in front of you......or we'll find someone who can!"


OK!! Ass Hole now trace this crap back to Mr Davis...You can't...It's just a wide spread philosophy applied to a variety of sports from boxing to wrestling to football and applied equally when talking "O" or "D"...Front 7 or "OL"...In the run game or pass "D"...But your stupid enough to post your LIAR CRAP trying to link this to when Mr Davis joined the Raiders and now can't prove a word of it...Dug yourself into another deep abyss without escape and NO I won't set you free...

YOU HAVE NO TRUTH!!!!....

PantyRaider...Convicted -n- Hung From The Yards For Being The LIAR That You Are!!!/_

For the record: Quotes from
Lord Vince Lombardi

"You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn't mean a thing. That's for the fans. You've got to win the war with the man in front of you. You've got to get your man."

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/white/225/vince.htm

7:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"mistakes multiple in his"

"after year... while others"

Now that's very funny...You taking lessons here...Your the one who was trying to correct me so now I be the one pointing fingers at your dumber than dumb mistakes but you be such a CRIER that you can't takes it...Now go in the corner and CRY!!!...

I always correct myself and have NEVER been bothered by being corrected for my spelling or my self created use of grammar as applied due to an inherit inability to do it correctly...As reported/admitted I suffer from the same type of learning disorders as our rookie "RB" "TJ" whom I posted above but that has never made me a LIAR or a CRYIER like you 2 clowns....
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but a subpar grade-point average made it impossible for Division I colleges to offer him a scholarship.

Jones’ transformation from a struggling student into a successful one began with his being diagnosed with dyslexia his senior year at Deer Valley.

The diagnosis enabled Jones to get extra time on tests and assignments, which helped him get his GPA over the required 2.0 so that he could play at Eastern Washington after redshirting one season
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That same situation held me back from playing college ball but 10 seasons later I maintained a 2.75 overall at USU College Of Engineering "79-80"...95% US Coast Guard Master/Mate Testing -w- Celestial Navigation Long beach "93"...96.1% Machining Metrology -w- Cad/Cam/CNC at the Machining Training Facility in Fremont "00"...94.6% at GIA in Carlsbad "06"...

Now what have you accomplished being a Walmart Greeter!!!..

PantyRaider...What Goes Around Comes around...With Your Judgements Shall You Yourself Be Judged!!!/_

8:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Did I hit a nerve or what? Fly birdie, fly, keep on your merry way to Freakville. Pantie's way of winning an argument is sheer volume. Doesn't matter if it means anything, just dazzle them with volume.

What he writes has no meaning, in his mind, he himself is the decider. So I shall leave it into the hands of the true deciders, for any of those tortured people, who have actually read the 'rainman' chronicles.

How can the smell be so repulsive? This THING, this beast, it just keeps getting worse and worse, like a train wreck..... It's OK, Mr. Waste, we understand, some people just can't take the head shots as well as some others. Keep trying though, I'll pray for you, my good friend.

JONES

8:11 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Whoops!!...Forgot...

94.6% at GIA Graduate Gemologist at Carlsbad "06"...98% HTS/Heat Treating Specialist at GemLab in Bangkok "10"....

NO need for LIES!!!...

PantyRaider...Documented...Everything Is Documented!!!/_

8:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Answer the questions BITCH!!!...

You can't because you don't know the TRUTH and TRUTH is NOT IN YOU!!!

8:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

And I don't accept prayers from LIARS to their god damn lying gods...

8:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beat the man in front of you instead of say, line stunts where confusion is used instead of just going after the guy across from you play after play. In the case of disguising a coverage instead of man on man from the L.O.S. 95% of the time. Are ya gettin the picture yet, there, whack job?

If you take just manning up to the guy across from you and just trying to wear him down physically and beat him physically more than he can beat you, gettin yet? You see, Football has evolved where deception and disguising an Offense into mistakes, works. Playing man on man, beat the guy in front of you 95% OF THE TIME, this is the context, gettin it yet, JETHRO?

JONES

8:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Wow!!!...You really truly are that stupid aren't you...

Every time you open that yap with your finger on the keys that inherent stupidity of yours just continues to show threw...You can't hide it or disguise it at all...

This:

Beat the man in front of you instead of say, line stunts where confusion is used instead of just going after the guy across from you play after play.

I see your confusion and can't make sense out of a word of this crap...You specifically said that "Beat the man in front of you" was "since Al took over the team back in the 60's."...Now I just showed that concept or slogan game from Vince Lombardi who was a contemporary "HC" with Al Davis in a different league with a different mind set and that you can't trace that to Mr Davis at all..That was your LIE...

Than This:

In the case of disguising a coverage instead of man on man from the L.O.S. 95% of the time. Are ya gettin the picture yet, there, whack job?

What the hell are you talking about???...1st you say "line stunts" and than "man on man from the L.O.S."...WHAT???...Are you dumb enough to think that Routt was talking about "Man on Man" Line Play when he spoke about playing "Man to Man" coverage 95% of the time???...

This:

If you take just manning up to the guy across from you and just trying to wear him down physically and beat him physically more than he can beat you, gettin yet?

NO I'm NOT!!!...This is just purely DUMB!!!....What did you say???...Do you think Routt was talking about running the receivers into the ground or something???...Beating them into submission physically or beating them to the freakin BALL dummy!!!...I have absolutely NO idea where your head is even at regarding the game of FOOTBALL!!!...

Put down that "Crack Pipe"...Really...Your Noodle is already FRIED!!!....

Than This:

You see, Football has evolved where deception and disguising an Offense into mistakes, works.

WoW!!...How you noodle came out with that is anyone's guess...

"deception and disguising an Offense into mistakes"....

The only deception here is that you understand anything about the game....The topic was about the "D" and specifically "M-M" coverage as opposed to Zone coverage and had nothing to do with "deception and disguising an Offense"....

Again This:

Playing man on man, beat the guy in front of you 95% OF THE TIME, this is the context, gettin it yet, JETHRO?

NO...Not at all...You are totally dumb and confused...No wonder you have never made any sense on this board....You and your Beaudrow "NYRaider" are 2 peas in a pod...Hope your very happy together because at this point I wash my hands of the both of you nerds...

Clarity is needed:

"Playing man on man, beat the guy in front of you 95% OF THE TIME," is NOT "Man to Man" coverage and NEVER has been...Now get a grip and go back and play your PS1 until you understand the simplest basics of the game!!!....

Well "NYRaider" I suppose you made sense of and are agreeable to what your Beaudrow posted here...Only in a mental midget mind like yours could this possibly make any sense ...

PantyRaider...Don't Want To Digest Another Word Of Such Pure Stupidity!!!/_

9:22 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Holly Shit!!!...BatMan....These nerds are full of shit!!!....

9:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I don't know whether to laugh or pull all my hair out!!...

This is some god damn awfully stupid crap from an idiot that thinks he talks to the gods and has the TRUTH!!!....

DON'T INCLUDE MY NAME IN ANY OF YOUR god DAMN PRAYERS!!!!....

9:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

RT: "Mix it up or not?"

CJ: "Yes, mix it up. Mix and match personnel. Mix in zone coverage more than 5% of the time. Mix in various blitz schemes on a regular basis. Mix in a wide variety of schemes and formations to disguise tendencies. YES, mix it up and leave the static, predictable in the attic."

9:57 PM  
Blogger Jones said...

Please. Stop defaming my good name with your lies. Pick on someone else instead of using my name. Both of you have published your lies to defame Jerry MacDonald who is a very respected sports writer and I don't desire this type of social activity to be associated with me...

Reframe from posting under my name. Please.

Truly Mr Jones.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

mentally ill = Waste, RT, can you flush the toilet? The guy is so tossed, the 'smell' just gets worse, even Lysol can't get rid of it. The poor guy has been stewing for months and look at his hate, it's at dangerous levels, very toxic. To save the site, it must be defumed, no longer can the stench be tolerated. Reminds me of an ole Lynard Skynard song.....

JONES

11:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

I noted an interesting bit of info from your last post...

"Mix in zone coverage more than 5% of the time."

So back to a point of discussion regarding how many of those failed coverages that gave up "TD"s were Zone coverages...Out of the 470 pass attempts that the Raiders faced last season perhaps we could speculate that 5% were in Zone coverage...23 times on the year and the bulk of that in the Red-Zone as reported by several other notable commentaries...Players/Coaches/"Mediot"s/Fan Observations.....

Now we gave up a very unsatisfactory 28 "TD"s to the pass...Wouldn't it be reasonable to suspect that the majority of those failed coverages or at least half were in fact within the Red-Zone and a very large percentage against the Zone coverage that we were toying with???...

This is in no way to say our "M-M" coverage wouldn't give up it's fair share of scores...That has just never been the case...But this was agreeably a much worse performance than what we should experienced especially considering the way our Pass "D" performed during the rest of those games outside the Red-Zone...

PantyRaider...Food For Thought!!!/_

11:34 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"J-Mac" is on my side...So is Gruden too....

Gruden: “What if I said to you, we’ve got a role for you. We’re going to let you play a little wideout like Brad Smith does for the Jets. We’re going to put in a little option package and let you do what you do best. If somebody says, `this Pryor guy, we’re going to use you as a wildcat where he can catch it, he can run it, he can throw it. What do you think?”

Pryor: “(I’m) just trying to play. Anything I can do to get on the field and play.”

Gruden: “I can see somebody getting a hold of you and having a really creative mind all of a sudden.”

Exactly.

You don’t take an athlete like Pryor and pigeonhole him into a single role or position. This is a unique guy in terms of skill set, and coaching, as Hue Jackson has said several times in various interviews this offseason, is putting players in position to make plays.

At 6'6" -w- 433 Speed an arm -n- hands you know he's got Al's attention too...

PantyRaider...Pick My Boy -w- The 3rd!!!!/_

2:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This just in:

Another absolute example of how "J-Mac" makes corrections to his blog...And he never ever deletes a word...NOT a single word...Right "NYR"...

Just look at this:

Pryor has made some bad choices, but to my knowledge no one has questioned his dedication or love for football. If the Raiders burned a second-round pick on him in the supplemental draft, he’ll likely get a million or two, guaranteed. If he lasts until the fourth, it’s more like a half-million or less. (The Raiders don’t have a third-round pick).

Correction: The Raiders are without second- and fourth-round picks. The point remains the same . . . he’ll come at the fraction of the cost of Russell.

PantyRaider...Your Lies Are Still Documented!!!/_

Want to see them again...Just look Baby!!...

2:16 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

nyraider said...

Interesting exchange from Cable's Q&A.

Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?

Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.

Q: So you expect him to be out there this week, or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?

You think he/she means Al Davis?

5:28 PM

nyraider said...

PR - don't get your panties in a bunch over the Q&A I posted. I don't condone it. If that’s a jab at Al Davis it is disrespectful beyond belief. I’m surprised Herrera wasn't there to flex his paper muscles and escort that person out of the PC.

And how does the fact that any of us have or have not played competitive sports have any bearing on why the Raiders can't figure out how to be competitive?

Suddenly you're more qualified to judge WRs because you played pop warner football and have a booster club membership card? Don't you realize how ridiculous that is?

4:53 AM

nyraider said...

As for the Q&A, I was genuinely shocked by the statement. That's why (and the only reason) I posted it. In the few years I've been here at RT, I have never dissed the man in that way, and don’t expect others to, especially professional media. That’s totally uncalled for and, as I said, unprofessional. I remain a fan of Al Davis, despite that I disagree with the way he runs the team. Whether you chose to believe that or not really makes no difference to me. It’s a fact.

3:21 PM

nyraider said...

Ok, something very strange happened.

The Q&A I posted this morning was verbatim from J-Mac’s blog. I went back to it and found the content in question had been removed. I then searched the web for another transcript and found the same language as now posted on J-Mac’s site.

I assure you, this is not a hoax, at least not by me.

The perpetrator is either the author of the Q&A section I read this morning or it was removed (A) because it was distasteful and classless, or (B) to protect the media individual who made the comment.

I would like to email J-Mac and ask, but I am unable to find his email address (which is no surprise considering all the nuts he would hear from, today me being one).

I have no answer. If you want to believe I made it up, I have no proof that I didn’t. However, I assure you I did not. As I said, I posted it verbatim, in pure shock that it was said. I have stood behind every post I've ever made on this site. I have no problem accepting what is fact and acknowledging when I'm wrong.

However, this is pure mystery. Perhaps it will surface again in some fashion. Hard to believe that could get put out there then removed without a trace.

4:49 PM

4:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Well here is an interesting post that contradicts me about our weaknesses at "LB" and promotes even further our "M-M" coverages...

"DeathRo" was better at pass 'D' than Rush "D"...He was the #1 rated "LB" in coverage...

Here's what he had to say about it:

Rolando McClain(notes), Oakland Raiders (65% passing Stop Rate, 31 pass plays, 5.3 passing yards per play, 1 interception, 6 passes defensed, 24 pass tackles, 13 tackle stops, 73% run Stop Rate)

More may have been expected of McClain than was produced in his rookie season, but with a very impressive front four taking care of business, he was able to back out and cover from the middle. McClain was especially impressive with his ability to double back and catch up to bigger receivers and tight ends in the open field. He's also adept at stealing a look, barging in, and blowing up a swing pass.

Stop Rate is a percentage that shows how often a defender kept an offense from making a successful play — success in this case is defined as gaining 45% of needed yardage on first down, 60% of needed yardage on second down, and 100% of needed yardage on third or fourth down.

PantyRaider...Seems Our Rookie Is A "M-M" Animal In The Making!!!/_

4:32 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

LOL! Wow! It must have been a “ruff” night. Right, Pantry Raider?

Jones, you are absolutely right. It’s all about VOLUME. It doesn’t have to make sense, just as long as there’s lots of it.

From himself “...inherit inability to do it correctly...As reported/admitted I suffer from the same type of learning disorders as our rookie "RB”

Disorder(S)? You want so bad to be part of the team (like you regularly fake you’re a member of the boosters club) that you would stoop to claiming you share disorders with a player, just to make a connection.

Come on now. Let’s not confuse learning disorder with decades of drug and alcohol abuse. Your brain is fried! And you have no one to blame but yourself.

So stop taking it out on this board, and go seek professional help!

5:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Personal projections onto others again I see...Typical of those in denial...

The record of me posting about my 2 learning disorders are a part of ancient history on this board as is your -n- Beaudrow's perpetual inclination towards lying and crying...Just can't escape who you are no mater how much you try to redirect it can you...Lies are inescapable history that follows you where ever you hide...Now your a slave to your own disorder and feel the need to cover it over with more -n- more lies...Just a heap of crap is all you end up with...

But look on the bright side...You can whaler around in the mire of your lives together...Beaudrow-n-Beaudrow...2 peas in a pod of rot....

You own it...

Yo mama's should be very proud!!!...

8:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Last season's draft class proved to be a very good one...Several new starters and players are already notably above where they were taken...

"LB" "DeathRo"

"DE" Houston who "Some" bitched about crying he was drafted to be a "DE" instead of "DT"...

"LT" Veldheer who "Some" said was a wasted pick from too small of a school...

"WR" Ford who "Some" belittled as just another speed pick without football talent...

5 others who may yet develop which only time will tell...But this season's class looks to be just as good despite the adverse comments from "Some" who know nothing about the game but always talk down anything done by my Raiders...

C Stefen Wisniewski...Destined to be the anchor in the middle of our "OL" for many seasons to come...

CB DeMarcus Van Dyke...Woodson was impressed and now many others are too...

OT Joseph Barksdale...May develop into the "RT" we need or at worst a very good "RG" strong in the run game...

RB Taiwan Jones...This kid can explode and many are of the opinion we stole him in the 4th thinking he should have been off the board in the 2nd rd...

CB Chimdi Chekwa who was rated higher than our 3rd pick and has the potential to play as a rookie...

WR Denarius Moore the speedster with good hands that "Some" belittled as just another wasted pick...

TE Robert Gordon of whom I know very little...

WR David Ausberry...Now this guy is interesting...Big as a "TE" with very good hands and runs like a "FB" powering over "DB"s...Projections are playing across from Zack and lining up as "H-Back"...Word is he was hidden on "USC"s roster because they had so much talent depth but would have started on many other teams...

Time will tell but I like the looks of this class...

PantyRaider...The Old Man Still Got's It!!!/_

Despite what "Some" may say...

8:51 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,
You missed a significant point that I made regarding incorporating zone into our pass coverage.

See if you can follow along ...

** Team Pass Defense Principles **

1. It uses M2M and zone coverages.

1A It mixes both M2M and zone

2. It practices M2M and zone from the 1st minicamp all the way through the entire campaign.

3. It executes M2M and zone in games.

The missing part of this equation is point 2. Clearly the Raiders don't emphasize the importance and need to practice, study, and fine tune the fine arts of zone coverage.

If you were to ask me which I would prefer between the below two options, I would say option 2.

Option 1
Play M2M 95% of the time and play really bad zone 5% of the time largely in the red zone

Option 2
Play M2M 100% of the time w/the caveat that you didn't incorporate zone in training camp or practices.

The fact that we had a few TDs thrown against while playing zone is very misleading. You are attempting to imply "See CJ, we played zone and look what happened" but that denies 2 important things;

(1) we gave up a bushel load of TDs in M2M
(2) we were ill prepared to play zone

As I've said all along, I sincerely believe that to be an elite pass defense, zone needs to be a part of the mix. Whether it is 75%/25%, 50%/50%, 25%/75% is up for debate. Obviously, the Raiders would always lean towards M2M as the staple and zone as a change of pace to be less predictable.

12:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Option #1 sucked on which we both agree...

Option #2 is consistently the Raider's philosophy that has worked very well in the not too distant past and may have paned out better this past season...Agreed??...

The other option is "GB" and as I have said I like what they do and their looks...Just not sure I comprehend it entirely or how they implement it in such balance...Obviously Marshal could not...

** Team Pass Defense Principles **

1. It uses M2M and zone coverages.

1A It mixes both M2M and zone

2. It practices M2M and zone from the 1st minicamp all the way through the entire campaign.

3. It executes M2M and zone in games.

If we had hired Winston Moss than I would be all about talking about what this brings to the table...But as it is Brsnahan has returned so now I turn my attention to what he brings back to the table based upon the past...

The future is yet unknown so past present is the only logical thing that can be speculated upon and long standing Raider traditions....

So we agree in many aspects but not entirely...

I wouldn't experiment any further with the Zone until we have someone in the ranks who completely understands what "GB" is doing...Even than I note that our overall Pass "D" was better than theirs but our overall "D" was far deficient in comparison to them...Therein lays the dilemma sense their "D" entails much more than just a mix of Zone -n- "M-M" coverages...It was their balance between Pass -n- Rush "D" that got the job done so well...

Other teams have impressive "D"s also...Pitts/Baltimore -n- Jets are coming on...I believe they also have a mix but do other things as well...It's understanding those entire systems that's important not just the implementation of one or two aspects there of...

PantyRaider...Until We Hire From One Of Those Teams We Should Do What We Do Best!!!/_

1:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

As a side note...

"SOB" came from "NE" and was in my opinion a failure...At Cleveland as well...

Marshal came from Seattle -n- "SF"..Improvement but not enough...

Bresnahan came from Cleveland -n- Indy..."LB"s has been his specialty so maybe he will help improve that unit for us...He performed well when our "O" played well...

Willie Shaw came from the Vikes/Chargers/Rams -n- Saints...I liked his "D" but Gruden sacrificed his top 5 rated unit when Willie got all the props...He than went to "KC" -n- the Vikes...

We have yet to tap into either Pitts or Baltimore for a "DC"...I didn't get my with for the "GB" influence so I have moved on...

PantyRaider...No Tears Just Cheers For What's In Store!!!/_

1:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I can say this with 100% certainty:

ALL professional DCs and DB coaches fully understand the concepts, principles, benefits, practices, and nuances of zone pass coverage.

So what's missing in Raiderland?

A DC with the complete authority to dictate to his DB Coach that zone is an important component in a defensive team's arsenal.

We have been playing close to 100% M2M for over 4 decades. There is a HUGE difference between relying on M2M as your primary base D and being exclusive with M2M.

The game has changed over the decades. It is more sophisticated now and more of a passing league.

The ability to use BOTH M2M and Zone allows a team to adapt to the game circumstances, opponent, while at the same time, show the QB different looks.

My takes over the course of the past few days have been merely for intellectual stimulus. I don't pretend to think that our pass D philosophy and practices will change.

I have a ton of respect for what Al Davis has achieved and his football knowledge BUT for the life of me, his reliance on strictly M2M and inability to give the DC authority to run the D is sad.

3:44 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Happy 82nd Mr Davis...

May this season be favorable to both you and our beloved Raiders...

May the "Man of Decades" continue to preside over his dreams for many more years to come as we enjoy watching his "Team of the Decade" sail on into the future...

PantyRaider...Raider Luv -w- Loyalty-n-Respect!!!/_

11:28 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"..

"his reliance on strictly M2M and inability to give the DC authority to run the D is sad.""

This is where you will consistently lose me...I do not and won't follow this type of false reasoning at all...

Hopefully your not of the same mind as those 2 clowns who constantly post their lies on this board while bashing everything regarding Mr Davis and my Raiders...The type of disrespectful bashing liars who gleam their support from liars just like themselves...Sapp in particular and other unreliably "Mediot" sources...

Every NFL Owner or GM exerts his personal preference on that teams "D" and "O"...It's done during the interview process when they interview prospects who do what they want on their teams and pick the man who best fits their scheme concepts and $$$$ pockets....They than exert their power to fire any coach who fails to deliver on that preferred way of doing things...

As for the "DC"s in particular they don't have the privilege of hand picking their own staffs...That's done by the Ownership/GM -n- "HC" if given that power which most are not...Teams like Pitts do NOT let their new "HC"s or "DC"s change their coaching staffs nor defensive schemes...They hired from within and continue down the same path they were on so you would than have to post that those "HC"s -n- "DC"s don't have the liberty to run their own teams....Right...But all week long it's really them doing the coaching and calling that game knowing how they will be evaluated in the end by the boss....It's the same damn way for the Raiders...

Al Davis is the last of a bread...All others have long sense passed away or given way to the new illness suffering the NFL..."CopyCat Syndrome" rather than a strong personal identity reflected in the image of Ownership...They move towards whatever image has the best production at the time and I assure you that many of the concepts now being followed originate with non other than Al Davis himself...Especially on the "D"...

As an example you speak about the pass happy identity of the new NFL...Well where do you suppose that comes from??...Sid Gilman threw Al Davis and his coaching tree branched to Bill Walsh who by developing the "WCO" vastly limited the rushing plays by making them long hand-off via the pass -w- better production...Two of the coaches who came from Walsh's branch got their 1st "HC" opportunities as Raiders when Al experimented with this new concept but returned to his team's roots...The "VO" -w- Power Rushing -n- dump off's the the "TE" -n- "RB"s just like his teams of the late "70"s-n-"80"s....

But our "D" has not returned to the schemes that were employed during those years...We remain in the 4-3 where as during that period we were in the 3-4 scheme...

As for how foolish and unwinnable any arguments to this stupidity are I give you this:

If Al Davis is the real "DC" than it was he who moved us from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and back to the 4-3 with an experiment with the 3-4 while "SOB" was poster child of the "D"....It was than Al Davis who experimented last season with the "52" scheme and took that game away from "SD"...It has again been Al Davis who was experimenting with a mix of Zone in the Red Zone so now where is his credit for doing so...NON-Existent...So it should become very apparent that it was infarct Marshal acting as "DC" who made those changes to our "D" under Al's approval but subsequent release due to his failures....

PantyRaider...Give Me A List Of "DC"s Who Hire Their Own Staffs -n- Chose Their Own Schemes!!!/

9:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Back to the other discussion: I'm not agreeable to this...

"ALL professional DCs and DB coaches fully understand the concepts, principles, benefits, practices, and nuances of zone pass coverage."

The statistical examples prove otherwise...Many have failed to instill a decent working Zone Pass "D" and only a very very few succeed in being dominate...True...Personnel weighs heavily in this equation but if the "DC" had full understanding of the concepts -n- principals he could at least be expected to put the best squad possible on the field with what he has to work with...But that's just not the case with at least some 15-20 teams each season...Than even the teams who do manage success it's usually very short lived and inconsistent threw even a single decade or even less...

That's prolley why "DC"s and assistants get run so much and also why when one is successful he immediately becomes a candidate for a "HC" vacancy...Small #'s of successful candidates but high level of demand...They become a premium and prolley earn the $$$ as a result...But let's take a short look at a few familiar faces working in "M-M" coverages...

Willie Shaw: 98-99...

"98"...
"D" #5
Scoring #20
Passing #4
Rushing #15

"99"...
"D" #10
Scoring #16
Pass #12
Rush #12

Chuck Bresnahan: 2000-03

"00"....
"D" #17
Scoring #9
Pass #25
Rush #5

"01"...
"D" #18
Scoring #19
Pass #9
Rush #22

"02"...
"D" #11
Scoring #6
Pass #23
Rush #3

"03"....
"D" #30
Scoring #25
Pass #22
Rush #32

"SOB": 04-08

"04"...
"D" #30
Scoring #31
Pass #30
Rush #22

"05"..
"D" #27
Scoring #25
Pass #18
Rush #25

"06"...
"D" #3
Scoring #18
Pass #1
Rush #25

"07"...
"D" #22
Scoring #26
Pass #8
Rush #31

"08"...
"D" #27
Scoring #24
Pass #10
Rush #31

Marshal: 09-10

"09"...
"D" #26
Scoring #23
Pass #7
Rush #29

"10"...
"D" #11
Scoring #20
Pass #2
Rush #29

Obviously consistency was non-existent but Pass "D" was the best overall...The only good times here were under Shaw -w- Gruden and Bresnahan when our "O" was highly productive...As the "O" went south in "03" so did the "D"...

Here is a look at the NFL history of "HC"s just for reference....

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

It's interesting to note that Art Shell (0.519) has about the same winning percentage as Jon Gruden (0.540)...Tom Flores (0.527)...

John Madden (0.763) was tops as a Raider...Al Davis (0.590) 2nd...

Others like Norv Turner (0.485)...Mike White (0.469)...Bill Callahan (0.469)...Tom Cable (0.386)...

PantyRaider...Coaching Is Not An Exact Science!!!/_

7:41 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,

In simple terms, if you think playing M2M exclusively is the ticket to a dynamic, elite D, then you are sadly mistaken. The last time a team had an elite D anchored by M2M pass coverage was close to 30 years ago ... the Raiders in 83.

Also, don't mistake my viewpoints to infer that I want the Raiders to be playing zone the majority of snaps. FAR from it ... what I'm saying is that a good pass defense can easily mix M2M and Zone and play both competently.

As a football team, shouldn't the goal of the coaching staff be to strive in building 3 elite units? Of course.

The whole notion or premise that if we have a potent offense, the D will be better by default is seriously flawed.

Throughout the course of a long 16 game season and in order to advance and succeed in the playoffs, each unit needs to do their fair share to secure victory. There will be games when one (or two) units have subpar or mediocre days but the other unit will pick up the slack to create a winning opportunity.

This isn't a matter of being a copycat team. It is a matter of using all the primary tools in the belt to be successful.

If the Raiders were in M2M 80% of the time and Zone 20% of the time, would we still be known as a M2M D? Yes. Would we lose our identity? No.

6:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Happy belated Birthday, Al.

I recently learned that Al Davis, George Steinbrenner and Uncle Sam all share the same B-Day. No wonder there's fireworks on the 4th.

Unfortunately, Steinbrenner is no longer with us. He was 80 when he died.

Davis has reached the ripe and respectable age of 82.

Sure everybody is different in their physical and mental makeup, but maybe it's about time for Davis to make good on his promise from 2008. Wow! It's been three years since Davis promised to get executive help.

Just like playing M2M defense 95% of the time is excessive (who would want to go to a rock concert and hear the same song played over and over?), handling ALL the duties of GM at age 82 is excessive.

At age 82, Davis might be displaying his best Howard Hughes imitation... eccentric behavior caused by obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD).

Listen, I understand the man wants to do it his way; but when something fails you year after year after year, it’s time to try something else.

It has to be incredibly physically and mentally demanding for Davis to maintain his stranglehold on management of the team. That can’t be good for anyone.

And there's no apparent backup plan.

5:49 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Only absolute scum would use a man's 82nd "BD" as a means to bash him...But why would I expect anything less from you with your history of abusive crap against Al Davis and my Raiders...

8:42 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

We will continue to disagree but please...This is nothing like I posted:

"The whole notion or premise that if we have a potent offense, the D will be better by default is seriously flawed."

I posted that our "D" was predicated upon an effective "O" that takes other teams out of their ultra conservative Run-Run-Run game plans and forces them to air out that "Pig" against our strength...Pass "D"...As it is they just keep going at our weakness...Run "D"....

Than I drew attention to the simple fact that when Bresnahan had an effective "O" as a compliment his "D" was the best...When the "O" went south so did his "D" and every "D" played by the Raiders sense under "SOB" -n- Marshal with an "O" that can't move the chains or score points...

Now surely your not going to try and tell me that an effective "O" does nothing to help the "D" now are you???....

Also I think you completely misunderstood what I was posting regarding being a "CopyCat Team"...

How many teams switched to the "WCO" after the success "SF" had under Bill Walsh...Did they not copy another's formula???...

How many teams employed the "Cover 2 Zone" following the success of "TB"...Did they scrap what they played and embark on someone else's successful course???...

Now how many teams are trying to copy "NE"s front office tactics and playing style while abandoning their former courses as they go the other guys way...Coping Right!!!...

Now the Jets try to become Baltimore...Who is the next "GB" waiting to happen as they switch identities for whatever posted the best images last season....

All the while few have been successful in doing so...

Now as I posted I like what "GB" does BUT I don't want to make that switch without a man to call it who totally understands it and already coached in it successfully...That would have been Winston Moss had that happened...But it didn't...

For the record I like where we're sitting now...I can see allot more +++ than ---- on the horizon...I think we now have the coaching staff and the players to make a push for our division and a return to the "PO"s...I posted we should have been there this past season but failed to make the trip...I don't expect to fail again...

PantyRaider...The Future Is Before Us!!!/_

9:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't promise Davis would get executive help in 2008, he did. And I didn't raise a billboard calling for Davis to step down.

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

I would love for Davis to enjoy his final years watching his team from the owner's box without the pressures of being GM, director of scouting, defensive coordinator defacto, etc.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear ya NYRaider and I am in 100 percent agreement with you about Davis and his stranglehold on the team at the age of 82. However, I feel like we have to put up with his BS for at least 10 more years. I can see him doing this well past the age of 90. Luckily, I am only 35 and I will live to see the day when there is new blood up top calling the shots. I feel sorry for older Raider fans in their 60s and 70s. There is a real chance that Davis outlives them, especially those currently in poor health.



Sarasota Raider

2:11 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,

A few points and clarification:

I fully understand that an above average offense DEFINITELY helps the defense and team in general. However, it doesn't change the fact that all 3 units individually should be striving for greatness and elite status.

If you don't think Davis' age (82) and current work load is relevant, you are only kidding yourself.

Davis should A-D-J-U-S-T to the current landscape in the pursuit of excellence AND from a competitive standpoint. This means wearing less hats, delegating authority, and being more open-minded and flexible with football philosophies.

What the Raiders did in the early 80's is irrelevant to today's challenges 30 years later.

Team's don't need to be complete copycats or not copycats at all ... it is finding the balance to each team's unique circumstances. It is taking certain elements, adapting, fine tuning, etc.

To think that a professional football team doesn't practice or incorporate the most BASIC defensive pass element (zone) into it's playbook and core tenants of practice is negligent in my view.

You can agree to disagree all you want but my belief is that Davis won't allow his DC and defensive staff to implement zone in training camp, practices, and games on a regular basis.

6:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

1st...

"Davis won't allow his DC and defensive staff to implement zone in training camp, practices, and games on a regular basis"

That's the whole basis of my dislike of what you want...Al did allow it and it was just damn ugly...Now if it continues under Bresnahan than what will you post??..

"Davis forces his "DC" to mix in the Zone"....

Come on dammit!!!...You can't post this and than turn right around and post this stinking crap:

"If you don't think Davis' age (82) and current work load is relevant, you are only kidding yourself.

This means wearing less hats, delegating authority, and being more open-minded and flexible with football philosophies."

Well Than who the hell did that freakin shit this last season...Sapp!!!...Dante Hall!!!...

You can close your eyes and join hands with the stupidity that posted above you all you want but don't expect a kind word from me in return...At a time of celebration of the "HOF" man who has given us so much how you can chose to make these arrogant attacks on his age is beyond me...

PantyRaider...When We Win You Will No Doubt Deny Him The Credit As You Credit Him With Evert Failure!!!/_

9:00 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"That's the whole basis of my dislike of what you want...Al did allow it and it was just damn ugly...Now if it continues under Bresnahan than what will you post??.."

Please share ... when has zone pass coverage ever been more than an mere after-thought?

If you are asking whether or not we have ever played zone, YES, FN of course BUT here's where you are way off the mark.

Playing zone 5% or less of the time or the equivalent of a handful of snaps per game is hardly playing zone.

Playing zone poorly because it isn't practiced is negligent in itself.

Bottom Line: The Raiders have not placed any emphasis or priority on practicing, studying, fine-tuning, and perfecting the art of zone coverage.

If you are going to utilize zone pass coverage 10% or more of the time, it needs to be a component to the team's playbook and training camp.

Is there any mistaking the fact that our half-ass effort and random selection of using zone in a few key red zone plays led to ... wait for it ... SHITTY results?! No, I didn't think so.

9:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,

Me pointing out Davis' age and heavy work load are PURE facts. It has nothing to do with disrespecting Davis or what he has achieved in his football life. It has everything to do with simple logic.

If you can honestly say that an 82 year old man doesn't need help running a $800M organization in a hyper competitive league, you are a lost cause.

9:25 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"..

Who the hell knows how much help the man has behind those closed doors..It's you who thinks he's wearing all the damn "Hats" NOT Me!!!....

For certain he has his son and Trask...Than he has an entire coaching staff...

Now what do these folks do...Warm the chairs???...

Football Administration
Nick Beach
Peter Caracciolo
Mike Clark
Tom Delaney
Tom Jones
Eric Sanders

Administration -w- Amy Trask -n- 17 other names doing what exactly..Do you even have the slightest idea...While his son is not even mentioned by name anywhere in these records...What other advisers could be left off this list....

You people want to pimp the man as being elderly stupid and senile to the point of trying to do everything himself...Nothing could be farther from the truth and anyone who has had direct contact with the man has testified to that extent...

Than in this season's CBA disputes he has removed himself from that strain...Did that meet with your approval and acknowledgements....NOT A WORD!!!...Right!!...

You just keep crying because he hasn't given you a "GM" Image to vent on or hold up as some kind of prof that your not following the devil...He said he would get some extra help but you can't take the man at his word that it has/is being done...

But answer the questions...What credit do you give Mr Davis for the failed experiments with Zone coverage this past season???

What credit will you extend if this continues under Brasahan???

Where is the man's credit for that "52" Scheme his "D" ran against "SD" in our 4th quarter "V" last season...

You NEVER gave him any of that credit for anything now did you...

PantyRaider...I Give Al Credit Right Along With His "DC"s Who Are Coaching That Damn "D"!!!/_

9:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Marc Davis has been seen around the Raiders facilities in recent years and is thought to be interested in running the team.

http://www.examiner.com/oakland-raiders-in-oakland/oakland-raiders-what-s-after-al-davis

The word from Alameda is that once Davis either passes away or steps aside the team will go to his son Mark. Until recently, Mark Davis has been out of sight. He was not seen at his dad's side learning the trade of running a football team. There is also the question of whether Mark would be able to keep the team. When Jack Kent Cooke passed away, his children had to sell the team because they could not pay the inheritance tax associated with the value of the Washington Redskins. Even if Mark does keep the team, does he have the same passion for football that Al has? Does Mark have the desire to keep the traditions of the Raiders alive, the very thing that makes the Raiders unlike the other 31 teams? Does he even want to run the team, or does he want to sell it off?


PantyRaider....You Prolley Hope For Him To Sell Out!!!/_

10:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Spanky here doesn't think Davis is involved on a supreme level. He's letting his numerous disorders get the best of him.

The Raiders simply don't have the layers of upper management that other teams have.

Also, there's no hierarchy of upper management. That's not because Davis has some semblance of community and lets everybody make their own decisions. It's clearly because ALL decisions must go through Davis.

How can anyone pretend to know and follow the Raiders and not know that Davis makes the decisions? That’s bizarre!

And I seem to remember Davis saying in an interview that Mark was not someone that would take over the football operations. He either doesn't have the knowledge or the interest, or perhaps neither.

4:56 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now this is the typical "BS" that comes across as LIES from that Davis/Raiders Bashin "HateTripper"......

"And I seem to remember Davis saying in an interview that Mark was not someone that would take over the football operations. He either doesn't have the knowledge or the interest, or perhaps neither."

You have NO memory at all...Just construed lies about anything "Silver-n-Black"....
_________________________________
Have you decided upon bringing in that "local" front office person to help?

Davis: "I could say to you, 'It's filled,' but I don't want to. And I could say to you, 'It's a possibility,' and I would leave it at that. I'm just not ready.

Role of son Mark.

Davis: "When you go by the pecking order it's Mrs. Davis and then Mark. He'll be a strong owner. What you're asking is he going to make business decisions and football decisions. He's not ready for that because he hasn't taken it over yet.

Is there a plan to integrate Mark more?

Davis: "I'm not ready yet to give up where he can take over."

http://blogs.sacbee.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=17&tag=Al%20Davis&limit=20
__________________________________

PantyRaider...Setting The Records Straight -n- Free From The LIES!!!/_

6:11 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What's funny is that the same "Scum"s that would try to belittle someone for their age or learning disorders would show such personal mental disorders as to no longer be able to differentiate between TRUTH -n- LIES!!!...Been a LIAR for so long now that it just appears natural/truthful...RIGHT!!!...

Why is it so damn easy for me to discover so many of them from you...You ever consider the dilemma you've put yourselves in while trying so desperately to somehow save face while continually being exposed for one LIE after another LIE...

Than to post that it's somehow my noncompliance with your LIAR ways that prevents you from...

"Offer me something I can believe (or at least respect) and I will respond in kind"

Hah!!!...Now that was truly funny...You now blame me that you can't post anything respectful about my Raiders...That it's all my fault that you try to unjustly smear anything -n- everything "Silver-n-Black" with your LIES!!!....It's me who makes you intolerant of the slightest mistake made by Al Davis as if I'm the one who denies you your "GM" images...

Sorta like:

"The devil made you do it"...Right!!!...

Meanwhile you pimp yourselves as TRUTH bearing religiously inclined...WoW!!...Now that must be some real screwed up religious order you "Scum"s belong to...

But no doubt you will make another failed attempt to reproject your mental disorders onto the "Messenger" who is exposing you as the LIARS that you are...

If only you could have understood threw time that it's the lovers of truth that readily admit a mistake and take appropriate actions to correct it...Just like Mr Davis has done regarding both Lance -n- Cable...But all you could do is accuse him of being old -n- senile for making such a mistake...

Meanwhile how is your "Pseudo GM Fantasy Football Franchise" working out...Did you ever even win???...NOT!!!...

PantyRaider....All Too Funny!!!/_

8:17 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR,

A balanced perspective is to give credit AND blame when due and warranted. If you want to give Davis credit for ...

"that "52" Scheme his "D" ran against "SD" in our 4th quarter "V" last season...

Are you implying he is the DC? If so, wouldn't be only natural to give him the majority of blame for a porous run defense the past decade?

Do you think our Defense has been good to above average the past 8 seasons?

My point is that you can't have it both ways. Do you want to give Davis the lion's share of credit or blame for our defense? If he continues to hire puppet DCs, the blame should go to Davis. If he hired a real DC with real authority, the DC would be evaluated on the unit's performance instead of Davis. See how that works? Apparently not.

6:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

"Apparently not" when you just corkscrewed everything I posted in reverse...Nothing according to my post...

I'm NOT the one who thinks Al Davis is the acting "DC" wearing too many hats...That's you folks so don't try to project your shallow visions of Al Davis onto me...It doesn't stick...

So I asked a few very simple questions...If you think Al is the "DC" than where is his credit for:

What credit will you extend if this continues under Brasahan???

Where is the man's credit for that "52" Scheme his "D" ran against "SD" in our 4th quarter "V" last season...

You NEVER gave him any of that credit for anything now did you...

You gave him NONE!!!...Instead you continue to try and bash the man for not allowing Zone coverages after a season when the Raider's "D" ran Zone coverages in the red Zone to our demise...

Than you said:

"My point is that you can't have it both ways"

But that's exactly what your trying to have as you bash the man saying he's the "DC" and than refuse to praise the man for trying exactly what you have been crying for him to do...

Now see how this works??..

"If he hired a real DC with real authority, the DC would be evaluated on the unit's performance instead of Davis"

Marshal was a REAL "DC" and everyone knew it except a few of you "HateTrippers" who want to blame Mr Davis for everything under the sun...."SOB" was a real "DC" and the same "DC" when in the "DawgPound" and prolley now in Dallas...His "D"s weren't any better apart from Al Davis now were they...Do you want to look at the stats or are you going to say Cleveland didn't let him coach either...

Your arguments are getting rather dumb at this point as you continue to hold onto your wayward thoughts in the face of extremely limited legitimate data in support there of...That's called stubborn pigheadedness as you close your eyes to the reality at hand...

Marshall called that "52" Scheme and used Zone coverages in the Red Zone...He really did it and yes he really called it and yes he really failed us as the "DC" and yes he was really run on his own accord...

"SOB" in The "DawgPound" 2009-2010..

"09"...

"D".......#31
Pass......#29
Rush......#28
Sacks.....#8
Scoring ..#21
Int's.....#29

"10"...

"D".......#22
Pass......#18
Rush......#27
Sacks.....#25
Scoring...#13
Int's.....#8 Tie

Looks grossly familiar now doesn't it...Did this shock your brain enough to bring back old memories of you and your clan's posting "SOB" would be good apart from Al's manipulating hand???..Hah!...The proof is here but as usual you will show blind eyes and refuse to see it..."SOB" was a real "DC" and the same real "DC" when he left...

So until you have something of merit to substantiate your reticules claims I suggest you hide them away and stop showing yourselves to be so silly...Stupid may be a much better word for it...The "Mediot"s are LIARS and you were led astray as "Clones"...Now get over it and try to come to your senses...You don't need to be this damn foolish forever...

PantyRaider...Argument Over...You Lost A Long Long Time Ago!!!/_

Also you failed to address this or Mark Davis:

Now what do these folks do...Warm the chairs???...

Football Administration
Nick Beach
Peter Caracciolo
Mike Clark
Tom Delaney
Tom Jones
Eric Sanders

Administration -w- Amy Trask -n- 17 other names doing what exactly..Do you even have the slightest idea...While his son is not even mentioned by name anywhere in these records...What other advisers could be left off this list....

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY Raider and Calico Jack. Just dropping you a line to say that I have enjoyed your posts this summer and I agree with you both 100 percent about the state of our Raiders. I plan on visiting this blog much more this season to talk Raider football with the two of you as well as others on this blog. Your thoughts are well thought out and concise and are a breath of fresh air on this blog. Looking forward to getting the season started and talking Raider football with the two of you and others.



Sarasota Raider

8:39 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Sarosota Raider,

The feeling is mutual. I crave a good, hearty, insightful discussion/debate about all aspects of Raider football regardless if it is pointing out shortcomings or improvements.

Grounded, spirited perspectives based on solid, logical points of view should be openly encouraged.

As a long time Raider fan, nothing would please me more than to see Davis make the key decisions in the best interest of the team that leads to a return to glory.

10:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Ditto. Unfortunately, present company excluded, grounded viewpoints are few and far between.

11:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ditto: Legitimate statistically supported takes are "few and far between"...Couldn't agree more...And why would that be in an environment of such an abundance of reported and maintained statistical knowledge that is everywhere for free...

Oh !!...Wait I know...It's because "Some" want to post non-factual tripe without being challenged for it while they propagate their own agendas against Mr Davis and My Raiders while ignoring the challenge of questions that expose the fallacies -n- shallowness of their thoughts...

Oh! Well...It is just what it is...The "Board of Depression" looking for it's own identity upon the "Trail-o-Tears" in the "Valley-0-Doom-n-Gloom"....

Why would I ever expect it to be any different...The only jackals made to feel comfortable hear are those who support the agenda which is why this place has become a desert of hopelessness where very damn few even venture to enter...

Meanwhile other boards blossom with hope of the new season to come even in the face of such adversity as the "CBA" unfinished -n- Lock-Out...

PantyRaider...Keep Holding Each Others Hands...Kum-Ba-Ya!!!/_

PS....I will still be in your faces as my Raider ascend that great mountain in search of our destiny..."The Greatness Of The Raiders" will forever live on and so will Al Davis despite your transgressions against his great name....

9:23 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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9:23 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Misinterpreting stats is a passtime of yours, not mine. I'm a big picture guy. The last nine years kind of speaks for itself. No need to pretend stats change that.

"PS....I will still be in your faces as my Raider ascend that great mountain...."

Does that statement put you on the 10-year plan for "I-told-you-so?"

9:35 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Simple fact is if any of you had a single leg to stand on you could post the evidence to support it...

As it is:

You Don't...

You Can't...

You Won't...

PERIOD!!!!....

Now accept the challenge and trump me if you dare...Ha! Ha!....I already know the data and it doesn't support you in the least...

PantyRaider....All Too Easy!!!/_

9:37 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Now accept the challenge and trump me if you dare.."

You can't trump INSANE, except with a few shock treatments of course. The only person you are convincing is yourself. Anyone who reads your ramblings can see that you are just an Al Davis nutsacker that wants to cling to the glory of licking his nuts.

Both of you are unable to get past your own ego's and all you care about is your own ego's. Results don't really matter as you go on and on about the Raiders like they have been relevant and still a team that is feared. BUT, the FACTS say, other than a few yrs in the last 25 years, the Raiders have been below avg. This is mostly due to the emperor being unable to get past his own ego.

TRUTH is Waste, you are the thorn in this site's foot, even your "crew" has deserted you.

Football (NFL) is a joke right now, the Raiders are once again in a transition, their 'stability' is very much still in question. MOST of us want STABILITY, with Al at the helm, forget about it. BUT, go ahead, keep pretending, seems like that's how you cope, others don't want to live in a pretend world. That's what makes the difference between stability and insanity.

JONES

10:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As sad as it is, the Raiders have been irrelevant for so long even they know it. For example, anytime ESPN or other media outlet reports great moments in the NFL that excludes or otherwise underscores the Raiders, the Raiders make it their business to dig deep into their arhieve to challenge them.

This type of "infraction" gets immediate PR attention from the Raiders, but when potentially damaging rumors about coaching or team issues surface (which, by the way, almost aways are proven accurate), the Raiders PR is nowhere to be found. They become anti-PR.

Those are ALL strings being pulled by Al Davis. Nobody on his salary would dare to fart without permission from Al. But at age 82, he can handle all that, right?

Face it, Pantry Waste, the team of the decades lost steam a long time ago. You are just a pretender who can't see the nose on your face.

Simply put, there's nothing to trump, as you so request. You're the one that's out of bullets.

11:16 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Been watching this scrum from the sidelines. Maybe time for a topic change? If so, check out the latest take on Jason Campbell, curious about your thoughts!

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