Friday, January 21, 2011

Guest Take: Back to The Future?

Following is a Guest Take kindly submitted by Raider Nate:

Al Davis is a different cat. In his prime he was viewed by the media as a "Maverick"; and would be comparable today to Mark Cuban. An innovator who thought outside the normal realm of doing business (or the box). He invented, and then reinvented the wheel; and took cast offs, and made them champions. Players loved playing for him, and old coaches that have come through our doors and remained "family" swear by him (Madden, Flores, and Art Shell are the only coaches that come to mind at the moment). So what's changed? How does this relate to what we are seeing in the business of football? What needs to happen to make it work? Keep in mind, the current CBA was authored by Al Davis. Al Davis saved the league 5 years ago, but can they build upon what he did? That is the big question needing to be answered, and I want to give a perspective on what the issue is, and how it relates to the current status of the Raiders, but first let's put this in perspective of history.


Let's go back to 1919. In this year, something significant happened that changed the face of America's Pasttime, baseball. The Black Sox scandal, where 8 players threw the World Series, to get paid by the bookies and gamblers; what they lost from their owner Charles Comiskey. I find a lot of similarities between Charles Comiskey and Al Davis. Charles Comiskey was known as one "of the most influential figures in the history of the sport, Charles Comiskey's 55-year odyssey through professional baseball ran the gamut from captain of one of the greatest teams of the nineteenth century, league-jumper during the 1890 players' rebellion, chief architect of the American League's emergence in 1901 as a major league, long-time owner of one of the league's most successful franchises, the Chicago White Sox, and a central figure in the 1919 Black Sox scandal. During his long association with the game, Comiskey was, at various points, regarded as a labor radical, a visionary executive, and a domineering patriarch who lavished money on his ballpark and the press while underpaying his best players. Baseball, Comiskey once wrote, 'is the only game that is complicated enough to be always interesting and yet simple enough to be always understood.' Ultimately, the same can be said of the Old Roman himself."

But where he and Al Davis differ is that most players like Al Davis; players did not like Charles Comiskey. As an owner, Comiskey "established a reputation as an owner passionately involved in the day-to-day affairs of his club. Comiskey was never afraid to express his opinions about the game from his private box. Reporters shared numerous stories of Comiskey railing at his team over bonehead plays or games tossed away. Comiskey polished his reputation as a benevolent monarch. Beginning in 1900, he handed out free grandstand tickets to 75,000 schoolboys each season. He constantly professed love for the fans and when it rained at his ball park, the occupants of the bleachers were permitted to enter the higher-priced sheltered sections without extra charge. 'Those bleacherites made this big new plant possible,' announced Comiskey. 'The fellow who can pay only twenty-five cents to see a ball game always will be just as welcome at Comiskey Park as the box seat holder.' He later claimed to have given away a quarter of a million tickets to servicemen, and followed that by donating a reported 10 percent of his 1917 home gate receipts to the Red Cross, an amount totaling about $17,000. Comiskey regularly allowed the city of Chicago to use his park for special events, often free of charge. The owner's benevolence also extended to the press, whom he regularly feted with roasts and free drinks."

Cominskey is a key figure in sports that developed paying player contracts based on incentives. Example, if you win xx number of games, you will receive a $$ bonus. But he was also known to cheat the players out of their incentives. "he squeezed every dime he could out of his players. Long before the 1919 scandal erupted, Comiskey's team was already known as the "Black Sox" for their dirty uniforms, a result of Comiskey's efforts to cut down on laundry bills. While most league players received four dollars a day on the road to cover hotels and meals, the Sox got only three. Most importantly, Comiskey underpaid many of his best players, including three men who later turned against him--star pitcher Eddie Cicotte, Jackson, and third baseman Buck Weaver."

"Eddie Cicotte had been promised a $10,000 bonus if he could win 30 games in a season. When Cicotte closed in on the 30-game goal (at 29 wins), Comiskey had him benched to keep him from reaching the mark. In one incident, he promised his players a bonus for winning the 1919 pennant - the "bonus" turned out to be a case of flat champagne."

Comiskey's dealing with the players' and their bonus incentives contracts, is really similar to what we are seeing in football. Nnamdi's contract was voided based on incentives of sacks, interceptions, fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. My question is, how many times did he blitz? How many opportunities did he have to force a fumble, recover a fumble (which is based on others on our defense causing a turnover), were injuries considered on improving the number of games he plays? The only incentive that has been answered to me is the interception incentive. According to STATS LLC, Asomugha was targeted on just 33 pass attempts this season. He allowed 13 completions for 205 yards and no touchdowns, burnishing his reputation as a shutdown cornerback. To me that is enough to get at least 1 interception. Deals like this are happening League wide, and there seems to be a sense of disgruntledness among the Players Union, that these contract incentives need to meet certain criteria to allow them to succeed. For instance, Nnamdi's situation. If he had incentives to increase his salary based on improvements like # of sacks, then it should be written in the contract how many times they will use him in a season to meet that #. I mean, blitzing him one time, to try and achieve one sack, is not helping him improve that stat to help him reach his incentive. The argument is currently, if you cannot guarantee this in a contract on incentives, then we want more guaranteed monies. The players point to cases like Nnamdi, as well as Albert Haynesworth as examples. Albert's contract was incentive driven, and he lost a chance to gain those incentives by the Redskins switching to a 3-4 defense. The owner's argue back, Albert is a professional, he should be able to succeed regardless of the scheme. But that is not true. Physically, Albert Haynesworth does not have the "speed" to run in a 3-4 defense. He is a big guy that is to plug running gaps, and gain sacks off the speed of the players around him; which worked tremendously well for him in Tennessee running in a 4-3 based defense. (BTW, can you imagine him and Seymour on the same team, drool, drool).

So going back to the Al/Charles Comiskey similarities. Players did not like playing for Comiskey, and there's a similar hatred with Al and coaches. Why? Because Al doesn't really give his coaches a chance to succeed. A head coach is not allowed to bring in his own assistants/staff. Al does interfere with the coaches during the game. Al does not pay coaches market money to get the "job done". His only requirement is that they win, but he doesn't build a foundation for them to succeed at winning; unless all the planets, moon, and stars are aligned (which has only happened 3 times in history, 1977, 1980, and 1984). He canned Madden because he only won 1 Super Bowl. He canned Flores because he couldn't make things work with Marc Wilson. He fired Art Shell, because Art Shell couldn't beat Buffalo in the snow despite Al Davis not taking the proper equipment to beat Buffalo. He traded Gruden because Gruden didn't want to stay after his contract was up. He fired Cable because Cable didn't make the playoffs, despite showing drastic changes to the product on the field. 8-8 is nothing to be proud of (unless you have 7 seasons of 11+ losses), and especially with news of Cable being fined $120,000 through the course of the season, for unknown reasons. I guess the relationship between Cable and Davis wasn't all warm and fluffy that it appeared to be (which is a credit to Cable for not taking it to the media). Sometimes I wonder if Al does this to his coaches to see if they are "going to betray him" in the media. But now we see that Davis feels that the Raiders' success this year was due to the success of Hue Jackson, not Cable; I guess we will see.

Is it all Al's fault? No, but he is not helping his case either. What are my expectations for 2011? I'm not sure we build on 8-8; especially if we lose Nnamdi, Zach Miller, Seymour, Gallery, and Bush. I think those are key Free Agents that we need to get back. I also don't like the sounds of Lechler being shown the door either. I think these are steps backward, not forward. After 1919, the next time the White Sox were contenders for anything significant was 5 years after Comiskey died in 1936. I feel the Raiders are heading down the same road.

823 Comments:

Blogger nyraider said...

Nate - interesting perspective. You are in for a long day (or week) with some folks here.

IMO, Al Davis' harbors tremendous resentment and disrespect for his head coaches, as he’s made increasingly evident by his last two press conference, his inability to communicate and resolve issues in-house, the marginal quality of the coaches he hires and the bottom-of-the-industry level of pay he provides.

Since last off-season, I was beginning to believe Davis had developed a "new" plan and it was playing out fairly well.

The current coaching revelation put that notion to rest.

9:58 AM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

NY, thanks; and I understand where you're coming from. I had the same hopes of a "new plan", and feel the same about that notion crashing on a different planet.

As far as being in for a long day (week, month, year) with folks; that is part of sharing your perspective/opinion on things. Bottom line, at least I've shared it without any personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with my perspective (nor will I); and I've attached my name to it.

This is my perspective; and I respect you and your perspective if it doesn't agree with mine. I'm glad to know that not everyone feels the same way about things than I do. God help us if we all did agree about everything. Am I a "hater" for sharing this? No, and neither are you if you disagree. It just means our perspectives are different; and who knows, maybe our different perspectives can rebuild hope inside that everything will be okay for the team we love.

So even if you disagree, thanks for reading my perspective; and sharing yours.

10:38 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's a youtube video of Al Davis behind the scenes admitting he didn't know "much" about Tom Cable as he was ready to introduce him as the new HC of the Raiders in October 2008. He asks for a press guide to help him get acquainted with his new HC.

Not the best way to hire a HC.

http://tinyurl.com/6b8z4dk

I stumbled on this looking for the Hue Jackson PC.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Nice take Nate.

I think football changed in 2 significant ways, that has hurt Al Davis.

1) If you read "Badasses", or have been a fan long enough, everyone knows that players of the 60's/70's, era, loved to play for Al's Raiders.

Why ? Because all the other teams, had strict rules, even down to how you dressed on the team bus.
Teams treated players like children, and input from players was not encouraged.

On the Raiders it was different. Madden had his famous 3 rules. Be on time. Listen when he talked. Play like hell on Sunday.

Raiders treated players like men. Gave them freedom. Asked only that they win.

But now days, players are looking for different things. They already have their freedom to dress, and act how they want. Most star players today, are involved in the game plan.

Todays players are seeking direction, and structure. The rebels are all over now, not just on Raiders.

So that great advantage the Raiders once had, is now gone. In a way, it almost works against Raiders to have rebel players work in such a loose, unstructured, environment.

2) Parity is real. The NFL started all this parity stuff in the 1980's, but it took awhile to take hold.

There are no more easy games on the schedule anymore.

Remember when Phil Villapiano would say some teams didn't want to deal with Raiders ? Raiders would have some games won before they even started. No more.

I'm not sure Raiders ever really adjusted to the parity. Seems like Raiders are the team thinking they can take it easy for some teams(Fish?), only to find they will lose by 3 TD's.

I think Al is still trying to build a "family" team. Where players stay a long time, and are always welcomed back, "home".

But NFL is a come,and go league now.

Look at Pats. Only player left from 1st SB team is Brady. No family there, but they still win.

3:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderNate75...

There were allot of things that went down at the turn of the last century and affected lots more than just games like Baseball...All hell broke lose and the stability that folks knew was turned inside out and never reestablished itself...That is a great historical time to look back on and all the strange happenings of that day...

My Grandfather was born 1868 and a little more than 100 yrs later I graduated from "HS"...He soon died there after...But he told me allot of what was and what had been...Migrated from Spain and prospected all over North America...Much like me now prospecting in Asia...

1914 was recorded as the day the world went mad...That madness concluded in 1919 only as a hoax...It was just sleeping...

As to how much this has any baring on what the Raiders did or didn't do is very questionable...Al Davis was born in 1929...Enough before the 2nd World war that he would have been of age about the time it was finished....Just like my Dad who served but too late even when he lied about his age to get in the Navy at 16...Also a 1929 baby...

But that war and the events around those wars is what the Raiders are by design...Al Davis approached the game as a battlefield...He attacked the "QB" like you would a "Field Marshal" of the 3rd Rich...He penetrated your defenses like a tank on assault...He bomb from a distance and demolished your backside...And he damaged your convoys when they were sent out in a fly pattern...It was attack on all fronts at any time and all the time...

His players were his army and he treated them as such...He rewarded their efforts with metals of valor and $$$ more so than any other owner around...He projected them as greatness in the "Greatness of the Raiders"...His combatants are always recognized for their valor in battle...

His coaches are also but more so are his players...Just like at that "PC" he continued to argue for his "Field Martial" to be inducted into the Hall-o-Fame and gain the medals of valor that he earned...Plunket...

So I don't buy into your assessment of how Namndi is being mistreated...I say to the contrary...He was awarded the hugest contract of record at that time and prolley had it not been for this "CBA" issue would have been retained...He may still be signed but now according to his value under that new "CBA"...That was merely a business move and Al stated as such...

$17 Mil for one season could bring in 3 quality players that help this team win...$5.5 Mil each...

Regarding the coaches I take exception with this...
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He canned Madden because he only won 1 Super Bowl. He canned Flores because he couldn't make things work with Marc Wilson.
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Both of those men retired from the game...They were NOT fired...

Maden's departure for health reasons was very sad and tearful...I remember watching it as he cried and players did likewise...Al Davis wanted him to remain...

Tom was the same...He retired in 1987...Than later he took a job in Seattle in 1992 some 5 seasons later...He is the voice of the Raiders and has been faithful to Mr Davis and long time friends as is Madden....

So that one note needs correction for sure...

Marc Wilson married Al's nice and his time as a Raider "QB" was prolonged longer than it should have been...That's a fault of Mr Davis...Loyalty to his players -n- family...

PantyRaider...Interesting But Not Sure It Applies!!!/_

3:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

I agree with your assessment...Old ways die hard...Al still loves family and want's his team and fans to be like one...

It doesn't work as well anymore...The attitudes of the younger fans have changed dramatically from the days of old and such tight loyalties to the cause...To the colors...To our team spirit...I don't even hear that talked about anymore like it was before...

The players target $$$ the same as a doctor who's profession has also gone into the dumper...Lawyers too..And the politicians...It's the way of things now and won't go back anytime soon...

But the "OldMan" doesn't give in easy and keeps persistent with what he believe in as was seen at his last "PC"...

PantyRaider...I Don't Live That Way And I Don't Approve Of It!!!/_

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good post Nate but a couple of points have me confused. Madden was fired?? News to me. Raiders won 3 SB inspite of Al Davis?? Also news to me. Al is old and needs to retire. He has been generally a lousy owner for the last 7 years, no argument. He seems to be having a bit of a re-birth considering the sensational draft the Raiders had last year as well as some of the trades and the hiring of Jackson. Regardless he needs to let go, if not totally than atleast a little. But let's not dismiss what he did for the first 30+ years of his career as "lucky" or "fortunate". Seems to me that would be dishonest.



RaiderMike

4:48 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

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Look at Pats. Only player left from 1st SB team is Brady. No family there, but they still win.
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Regular season, boy howdee do they!

Is this what the NFL is all about now?

Build a good regular season team that stomps the shit out of crappy teams but loses every playoff game because they traded or cut loose all their key veterans?

No thanks.

Unless of course they start handing out rings for winning the most regular season games or something.

Last I noticed all the NE players have been watching from their couches the same as all the Raider players.

5:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Build a good regular season team that stomps the shit out of crappy teams but loses every playoff game because they traded or cut loose all their key veterans?

No thanks."

Another amazing Garyism.

Now 16-0 or 14-2 isn't good enough. No team is gonna win the Super Bowl every year, but it sure wouldn't suck being in the hunt every year.

Sure Pats fans are disappointed, but they still have a franchise QB and our #1 draft pick.

6:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderMike...

Your points are well taken...But as regards Al getting help he said he did without anyone knowing about it...Something like 8 months or so ago which would be around the time of the draft...

I will have to go back and look up the exact statement again and make sure I get it right but I remember him making a comment to that effect or something very similar when asked about a "GM"...


Gary...

The "Pats" are on the verge of disintegrating...No one stays on top for ever and now we learn that Brady needs foot surgery...Or had it already...It will be difficult for them to keep the pace while the "Jets" have risen and Miami knocks on the door...

I for one will be happy to see them fall just like the Chargers have fallen and the "MuleHead"s Crashed after a few seasons hanging on to that 8-n-8 mark...

This season has seen a few bottom dwellers rise up and a few made the "PO"s while the old top teams suffered at their hands...


"NYR"...

Maybe you should follow that #1 draft pick if your so depressed hanging out with the "Men-in-Black"....

PantyRaider...Your perpetual Negativity Is Really Getting Old!!!/_

6:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Just finished watching the Jackson PC. I want to believe Hue Jackson is the right guy for the job. He seems to have a good rapport with “Coach Davis”, but so did so many of his predecessors at this very juncture of their tenure.

I don’t see why this had to be made into another Kiffin-Gate. Why did Davis feel he needed to go public with Cable’s dirty laundry. Most of what he referenced seemed like ancient history, but somehow all these problems were allowed (by Davis) to encroach into the 2010 season.

Davis did say he believed the Raiders had a chance to make the playoffs with five games remaining, and I understand wanting to ride that out; but his issues with Cable predate the entire 2010 season. It makes very little sense. Based on his reasoning, he should have fired Cable instead of Hanson.

It’s difficult to watch the man as old and fragile as he is. While I believe he will rally and keep (or sign) the players he wants (because that’s his strength), I wish he would hire somebody to help with the heavy lifting.

There is no way he can keep this going forever, and there appears to be no contingency.... never was, perhaps never will be.

Right now, the big issue is; who will be DC? The defense has been the Achilles’ heel of this team for many years; earlier through Rob Ryan and now John Marshall. There has to be somebody that can make a difference with all the talent we have.

Hopefully, an innovative DC will be hired and be given the authority to coach without prejudice.

6:46 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
RT:
Raider Take said...

It's going to be long offseason.
>>>>

Something we can finally agree on.

When we have fans pissed at AD for not keeping Cable one week, and the next even more pissed off because he didn't fire him a year ago... I guess I can pretty much expect ANYTHING in the form of a double bind in his regards.

If Asum signs with another team, the sky is falling, if he signs with the Raiders at a premium, the sky is falling because we coulda signed three players for the same money.

...it just keeps going on and on..

11:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

"When we have fans pissed at AD for not keeping Cable one week, and the next even more pissed off because he didn't fire him a year ago...."

Then there are fans that are pissed at AD for not keeping Cable one week, and the next totally in agreement with not keeping Cable.

I guess some perspectives change based on information, others change based on..., well they just change. Certainly you can understand that. One day you're on here saying Al Davis is totally insane, and the next he can do nothing wrong.

5:30 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Al Davis on Bruce Campbell:

"...not upset at anyone in particular, no, because I could have resolved that by just telling him, 'play him,' and he'd have gotten to play."

There should be no question Davis uses this same authority to play guys like DHB.

When he wants a player to play, he can resolve that with two simple words, "play him."

6:04 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

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Then there are fans that are pissed at AD for not keeping Cable one week, and the next totally in agreement with not keeping Cable.
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Thats a valid point.

Still interesting how anyone can want a person that gave us the best w/l record in the last ten years fired before the season started.

You don't think at all that it might have screwed up the valuable momentum and confidence we gained?

Not even a little bit?

Explain please.

6:59 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I would assume that the guy we just tapped to take us to the promised land (Jackson) could at least have matched the momentum/performance of the allegedly inept and unfocused Tom Cable in 2010 while gaining invaluable experience in the head coaching position so that he and the team would be that much further along in 2011.

If he couldn't have matched Cable, then he's the wrong person for the job.

7:54 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

My belief has always been (and still is) that the GM and HC have to have strong communication and a solid working relationship.

There are 31 other teams out there trying to get it done. Why would any Raiders' loyalist want the Raiders to intentionally put themselves at a disadvantage?

Any business model revolves around a simple formula of good management. If the Raiders had won, it would have in spite of management, not with management's help. That's axiomatic of the communication breakdown between Davis and Cable that was allowed to fester.

8:28 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Those who have followed the events of the past couple of weeks carefully may see this as I do.

There is NO NEW PLAN. There is a continuation of the plan that Al suggests has been in effect for four years. In that time period Al has decided that Shell, Kiffin nor Cable is the man to take it forward. Hue Jackson is, and that's why he was brought over last year.

If you look at the events over the past four years you should be able to see a pattern. Al is attempting to rebuild what it is claimed can never be rebuilt.

Al Saunders, who Davis has considered as a head coaching candidate in the past, is of the "Air Coryell" school who worked with Coryell back in his college days. Hue Jackson is of the same school, and he has worked with Saunders before.

Davis looked for the big arm in Russell, but wound up settling for Jason Campbell. And over the last four seasons he has been focusing on speed like never before.

Davis also seems to be very aware of the progress of the CBA, and has been for at least the last couple of years - as reflected by Nnamdi's contract.

You have to put hatred of Al aside for a moment or two to see it. He's more cantankerous than ever, and he now looks older than dirt. But read the transcript carefully and examine what has occurred since Al brought Shell back.

Whether you think it works in this century or not, Al Davis is attempting to rebuild exactly what he built in the 1960s. And he is now four years into that process. He expects Hue Jackson to complete the picture.

9:33 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If a central part of the plan was hiring two unqualified head coaches who subsequently demonstrated horrible judgment, and then getting into vicious squabbles with both of those coaches, then yes...

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

That's what I get for not proof reading. On Madden and Flores, it should have read about them being threatened to be fired. Before both resigned, Davis continued to threaten to remove them from their positions; even after winning.

Thanks.

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

BTW, we just hired our Next HC in case Hue Jackson doesn't pan out. Welcome our new OC/soon to be HC; Al Saunders.

10:08 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Take said...

If a central part of the plan was hiring two unqualified head coaches
>>>>

Define "unqualified?" Was St. Gruden qualified when Al hired him?

If you think only coaches with head coaching experience are "qualified" then there never would be any HC's. Somebody somewhere had to take a chance on every HC in the NFL before they became "qualified."



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who subsequently demonstrated horrible judgment, and then getting into vicious squabbles with both of those coaches, then yes...
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WTF? What "vicious squabbles" was HJ involved in?

11:24 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
NYR:
Any business model revolves around a simple formula of good management. If the Raiders had won, it would have in spite of management, not with management's help.
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Ahh now we have the "Raider Insider" NYR again.

Either that or you are just making shit up as you go again.

What evidence did you see that the Raiders won despite bad management this year.

Lessee...

1. A nearly perfect draft. Nope, not here.

2. A veteran QB brought in... Nope not here either.

3. A well-rounded team (with perhaps the exception of WR)... nope, not here.

4. Team performing hard nearly every game. Nope no evidence here either.

5. McFadden having a breakout year... if up to someone like you he woulda been CUT after last year... good management here too.

What evidence did you see, NYR?

11:34 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Neither Kiffin nor Cable was qualified to be a head coach in the NFL when they were hired. Neither was as qualified as Gruden (or Hue Jackson). Both were dismissed after getting into vicious squabbles with Al Davis.

And both, apparently, were part of a "master plan," given Blanda's timeline. That's some plan.

11:36 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

What's really fascinating is that the folks who were once shouting me down for doubting Cable's qualifications and questioning his potential are now acting like they are enlightening me about Cable's shortcomings.

Think about that.

I'm well aware of his shortcomings. I pointed them out from the start, and got hammered for it.

11:40 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Neither was as qualified as Gruden was when he was hired.
>>>>

This is one of RTs famous fabrications (don't call it a lie, he gets mad.)

Cable at least had SOME previous HCing experience in college.

Gruden was only an assistant (for 10 years).

Cable was an assistant for 15 in addition to being HC at Idaho.

Cable was more qualified to be HC than St. Gruden when he was hired.

Stop fabricating shit RT.

11:41 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Making stuff up?

Gruden: "He quickly ascended through the ranks of NFL coaching by learning the famous West Coast offense pioneered by longtime NFL coach Bill Walsh. When Holmgren left the 49ers to become head coach of the Green Bay Packers in 1992, he took the promising young Gruden with him to become the team's wide receivers coach. After three seasons in Green Bay, Gruden moved on to become the offensive coordinator of the Philadelphia Eagles."

Yes, that sounds a lot LESS qualified than racking up a .239 winning percentage for the Idaho Vandals, being an OC at UCLA and being an O-Line coach in the NFL for two years.

By your measurements, Hue Jackson is less qualified than Cable.

Well done.

11:52 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderNate75........

I don't know where you get this from...Please explain because I don't remember anything like this...

On Madden and Flores, it should have read about them being threatened to be fired. Before both resigned, Davis continued to threaten to remove them from their positions; even after winning.

It will take more than a word to convince me this was the reality...And what was the context...Please post the source...


And Ah!...I predicted that would be said...I just didn't know by whom...
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Disclaimer/Warning: Soon to be posted how Al has already hired Hue's replacement...Don't you believe it...

Remember: You were warned right here first!!!....
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BTW, we just hired our Next HC in case Hue Jackson doesn't pan out. Welcome our new OC/soon to be HC; Al Saunders.
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Yes...It's very easy task to predict the path of negativity prior to the (Neg) knowing what they will say...


"RT"...

You confuse the "Time Line" of a "Plan" with the perfection of implementing such a "Plan"...NO one here has posted the process has been perfect or that mistakes along the way were not made...And subsequently corrected...

Mistakes:

#1...Drafting "JePurple" Drank!!...and sticking with him for too long...

Correction: "JeBusto" was executed in public...

#2...Hiring "Lance" as "HC" and letting that meltdown disrupt a 2nd season...

Correction: Public execution by "OHP" week #5...

#3...Promoting Cable to "IHC" and sticking with him long enough to let his physical perversions of "ManHood" reflect poorly upon the team and become disruptive...

Disclaimer: However it was a process that he was very good at and needed at the time...Cleaning House and motivating a air of toughness for which we should all be very thankful...

Correction: Public execution via "PC" exposing his inclination to be vicious against the weak...Sissy Boys -n- Women...

Now...Show me a plan that hasn't had it's ups -n- downs along the way...Every freakin sports organization makes blunders including "Some"s pitiful freakin "Pats" -n- "Squaw"s...Who just had their "OC" quit on them right before their 1st "PO" game in how many seasons...

Ya!...Now go explain that one...

PantyRaider..."Some" Hold Up Other Teams As Models But Never Look Back When They Fail!!!/_

12:24 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Fair take, PR.

12:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders' Coaches page has been updated but no signs on Sanders...NO "DC" is listed nor "OC"...

http://www.raiders.com/team/coaches.html


RaiderNate75...

Did you see this...

New Raiders coach Hue Jackson reached out to a familiar face for his first hire when he added Al Saunders as his offensive coordinator Thursday.

So does this mean Hue hired his own replacement???...

East-West Shrine Game...1pm today...

http://www.firstrow.net/watch/46639/1/watch-east-west-shrine-game.html

Looking at our future talent!!!

PantyRaider...Dante Moch!!!/_

12:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary : "What evidence did you see that the Raiders won despite bad management this year."

You conveniently left out the end of the quote, so I'll reiterate for you.

The evidence of poor management rests squarely on retaining a HC that Davis clearly did not want. He had been building a case against Cable since prior to the 2010 season, ala Lane Kiffin.

Until I heard the words from Davis' mouth, I would have had no idea his relationship with Cable had deteriorated to that degree. Did you?

You think that's a healthy way to run a team? You must, because you have stood behind this method repeatedly.

This is why I have come 180 degrees in my previous belief that Cable should have been retained for next season. I was under the false impression there was harmony among the key players in the organization. Boy was I wrong.

Is it possible that Davis is already building a case against Hue Jackson? Does he start a file on a HC the day he hires him?

3:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I don't doubt Jackson's qualifications to be a HC for 1 second. He has 10 years of NFL coaching experience and has coached every unit on the offensive side of the ball (QB, RB, WR, OCx3) excluding the OLine.

He has a known ability to work well with QBs which is a critical relationship for a successful NFL team.

The players respond to his leadership, energy, and competitive nature.

Also, in case you were wondering, 1 of the key prerequisites for being a HC in Oakland is the ability to be a good playcaller.

The hiring of Saunders was sound. He has already worked with Jackson in Baltimore and Campbell in Washington and has a good relationship with Davis.

Saunders has one of the brightest football minds in the league and would be a capable replacement for Jackson down the road.

When considering the Raiders Way of operation, we should always have a coach on staff who is worthy to be next in line to be promoted to HC.

The best run of football in Raiders history, excluding Gruden, was promotions from within the ranks (Madden, Flores, Shell I).

3:06 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"So does this mean Hue hired his own replacement???..."

Why not? Kiffin identified Cable. Cable identified Jackson. That's the way it works. Lately, that's how Davis networks with his future HCs. It's several steps above bringing back a former Raider OL to be HC.

3:10 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It's several steps above bringing back a former Raider OL to be HC.

Was that suppose to show some form of intelligence...

Art Shell was a former "HC" with a long history of coaching in the NFL as well as being an NFL Executive who returned to be "HC" again...He had the pedigree and the experience and the reputation...

What he also had that we didn't know about was the "Peranioa" and there was that "Mole" thing -n- his stupid "B-n-B" "OC" that helped tear down what he came to accomplish...Add to that the cancerous scum like Porter and a very weak-ass roster almost void of talent...

As that "OL" he was a "Hall-o-Fame"er...

Even in his failures your not fit to polish his cleats...

3:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

More excuses. There's an excuse for every failure.

Shell was a HOF player, but he sucked as HC. If he was such a great HC, why didn't Davis give him a second season (Part II)? Because he failed miserably. But I guess that was Jerry Porter's fault, right?

Do you have a book of excuses that you refer to for every topic?

5:43 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

At least Hue Jackson is truly qualified for the job, which is more than we could say for Shell II, Kiffin and Cable.

So that's a big step forward.

5:58 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

People who count out the Pats are short sighted.

First, they have a boat load of draft picks in the first 2 rounds in April.

2nd, sure Brady had foot surgery. But he's still in the prime of his career.

My point was, they were able to over turn their entire roster, and still remain a playoff team.

Not an easy trick in the NFL these days.

They put the playoffs ahead of loyalty. Got rid of players a year sooner, instead of a year too late.

Al Davis still goes by the family plan. He loves his players, and holds on to guys, even when it's clear to all it's time to move on.

I'm not saying Al is wrong for this. But this model has not worked so well since parity took hold in the NFL.

5:58 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Hue is a qualified and capable HC. His success and length of tenure will be largely dictated by his working relationship and his open and regular communication with Davis.

It is hard to believe that almost an entire season went by with the HC (Cable) and owner (Davis) rarely speaking to each other.

9:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Hue is a qualified and capable HC."

It would seem so (and I certainly hope so), but this is still only an assumption since he has zero HC experience at any level.

At least for now, he has the ear of his GM, which, in the Raiders world, is at least half the battle.

"It is hard to believe that almost an entire season went by with the HC (Cable) and owner (Davis) rarely speaking to each other."

No it's not. It fits a pattern, and it's totally believable.

It will take Jackson being (or becoming) a special individual for him to avoid this same fate.

The slightest trigger that Jackson may overstep whatever authority he's been given - or that he thinks he might have - will start the clock on his departure. Let's hope he's smart enough to avoid the fate of his predecessors.

5:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's what J-Mac says about the Raiders history of DCs:

"At no point was there a big shakeup in philosophy. All espoused the philosophy of winning individual matchups with superior athletes and an abundance of man-to-man coverage, and all had a single-deep safety.

There was nothing in Davis’ performance during the Jackson press conference that leads me to believe he’s ready to shake things up philosophically."

6:13 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR -

I'm not assuming Jackson is qualified and capable ... he is. He has been a football coach (college and pro) for 24 years.

You keep going to "He's never has been a head coach ..." It's time to get past that and move on. Every HC has to be named a HC for a first time.

Quick:

Name any Raider Head Coach who had been a HC in the NFL previously ...

If you guessed Joe Bugel, give yourself a prize because he is the ONLY Raiders HC who had been a HC in the NFL before being named the Raiders HC.

Hue Jackson has been an offensive coordinator 5 times (Cal,USC, Redskins, Falcons, Raiders). As an OC, he has plenty of experience managing coaches/overseeing the other offensive coaches.

Without a shadow of doubt, Jackson was the best possible hire when you consider all of the nuances, unique circumstances of being the Raiders HC, the current situation, etc.

10:34 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

I don't mean to split hairs, but you said he is a "qualified and capable HC".

Adding HC to the end of that is the sticking point for me. IMO, that would presuppose he has been a HC before.

And the fact that almost ALL Raiders HCs had no previous HC experience doesn’t make Jackson more qualified or capable. Like any inexperienced HC hire, it is on a wait and see basis.

I certainly don't know that Jackson will perform his job to Al Davis’ expectations. Many have tried. Really, the events leading up to his hire are not much different than we've seen six times in the last nine years.

I will say, I believe Jackson is the best coach under the best circumstances the Raiders have offered their HC in the last nine years. So I have reason to believe it can work.

However, Jackson will have to maneuver through any obstacles Al Davis and the Raiders’ dysfunctional organization throw at him; you more or less said so yourself.

Plus, Jackson will be retaining play-calling duties as well as take on all the duties of a Raiders HC. This is beyond anything Jackson has ever done in his career.

So I guess only time will tell just how qualified and capable he his to be a Raiders’ HC.

Packers 34
Da Bears 27

12:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'll take a rising star like Jackson or Gruden any day over the likes of Cable and Kiffin.

I'll take guys like that who've been entrenched in the NFL, working their way up the ranks, rising to and excelling at coordinator positions, with a lot of obvious upside in their energy and demanor...over guys like Shell II, Kiffin and Cable.

That's why you don't hear me squawking about Jackson's qualifications like I did with Cable.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Name any Raider Head Coach who had been a HC in the NFL previously ..."

Norv.

JONES

1:26 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I'll take a rising star like Jackson or Gruden any day over the likes of Cable and Kiffin."

Hue is a rising star? The best thing he has done is .500 OC. Before that he failed twice as a OC and was mostly a QB/WR coach. Thats a rising star?

JONES

1:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Kiffin was only a bad choice because of the circumstances. Like him or not, he may have a tremendous career as a college and/or NFL HC in front of him.

Before things got out of hand with Kiffin, I can remember thinking our days of being out-coached are over.

Meanwhile, as qualified as Jackson may be, he is just another Davis HC choice by default.

Hopefully, this time we will benefit from the luck of the draw.

Jackson has the stars almost lined up before his first snap as HC. That's a lot more than the previous six Raiders' HCs can say.

One major concern for Jackson will be Davis' ability to continue to GM this team at age 82 and beyond.

When this slide began, Davis was almost ten years younger... and without baseball-sized bandages on his head.

1:52 PM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

PR asked, "I don't know where you get this from...Please explain because I don't remember anything like this...

On Madden and Flores, it should have read about them being threatened to be fired. Before both resigned, Davis continued to threaten to remove them from their positions; even after winning."

You get that watching the History of the Raiders DVD, Madden and Davis both talk about it. In fact, leading into the '77 year when we won the Super Bowl, Davis was making it known that if the Raiders didn't make the Super Bowl and beat Pittsburgh; Madden would be gone. It was no known secret.

The same with Flores after the '85-86 loss to the Pats in the playoffs.

2:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Was watching the Pack win today, and it occurred to me (again) that BJ Raji was available to the Raiders in the 2nd round two years ago. Same year, Raiders could have had Michael Oher or Eugene Monroe in the 1st round.

Oh well. We have DHB.

3:23 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I don't mean to split hairs, but you said he is a "qualified and capable HC".

Context, semantics, splitting hairs ... whatever.

Let me re-phrase, add-on, and break it down for you:

Is he qualified to be HC? Yes
Is he capable of being a successful HC? Yes.
Will he be successful HC in Oakland? To be determined

3:35 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Like any inexperienced HC hire, it is on a wait and see basis."

You want to split hairs, huh? 2 way street. How exactly is he 'inexperienced'? The guy has over 20 years of solid coaching experience including leadership/mgmt roles as a coordinator.

3:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Palmer might retire if Bengals don't grant trade request

Carson Palmer apparently has had enough of Cincinnati.

The longtime Bengals quarterback will request a trade from the team, and he's prepared to retire if it isn't granted,


Who will be the new defensive coordinator?

What is all this foolish talk about the Raiders going back to a 3-4...

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/01/22/who-will-be-the-new-defensive-coordinator/

The "Mediot" reports are just speculation based upon????....

Prolley nothing...


RaiderNate75...

I have that DVD also...I watch it anew at the beginning of every season...2 disc set -w- 1977 Double Overtime "PO" against the Colts...And Madden talked about allot of things like Al wanting him to play the "Stork" and Madden being suborn and not playing him til everyone was injured...Than about Madden and the coaches wanting to cut Ted but Davis wouldn't allow it and Hendricks had a "PB" season...

They smiled and laughed at what were very fond memories...Not at all like your pimping where there was animosity and Al was wanting them out...I will watch it again when I get back home but I don't recall what your posting at all...

PantyRaider...Al Davis Didn't Want John To Retire!!!/_

4:42 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Hue only got one "HC" interview opportunity and that to satisfy the "Runny Rule" so in the minds of "Some" that disqualifies him as a legitimate "HC" candidate...

That's just the type of foolishness that abounds...

The more I look at the man the happier I am that he is our "HC"...I just wish the move had been made at the Bye....

PantyRaider..."GB" Advances So We Have To Wait To Hire Our New "DC"...

It would be better anyway if he returns to the Raiders wearing a Ring!!!...

4:47 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

You state as a fact that "Hue is a qualified and capable HC."

Again, to me that presupposes he was a successful HC previously.

Jackson is in uncharted waters. He is inexperienced as a HC. That goes without saying.

I can list a dozen reasons why I like Jackson, and few reasons why he might not be so good.

This is another HC hire by default. It just so happens that Jackson looks to be the best of the default choices of recent past.

5:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What makes you think this is by default...

Mr Davis said Cable was not going to be retained beyond 2010 and he hired Hue as "OC" Early in 2010 evidently as the heir apparent...That makes it a "Plan"...

Your predetermined negative perception attempts to taint everything Raiders...

Cable was on his way out and Hue was destined to be the next "HC" while we were not informed about any of that until it was necessary for us to know..."After the Fact" as always...

PantyRaider...Privileged Information...Get Over It!!!/_

7:32 PM  
Blogger x said...

Agree....Davis may have lucked into a good coach by default this time. I like Hue, especially the energy he brings.

Speaking of coaches, what Pagano has been saying about his time here (emphasis on "time") again reveals the dysfunction.

When asked whether he would ever consider returning to Oakland, Pagano made it clear he would not. He jokingly referred to his time there as a "two-year sentence," but congratulated Jackson on his new position.

"It's well deserved and he will earn every cent that they pay him," Pagano said. "It won't be much, but he will earn every nickel. But I had a great experience out there and two years was plenty, so I'll just leave it at that."


I believe the Raiders have become the Alcatraz of the coaching community.

I almost can't believe Saunders agreed to come to Oakland.

7:52 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

"Hue is a rising star?"

Fair point, Jones. In the context of the Raiders, however, I believe he is, much more so than you could say of Shell II, Kiffin and Cable, whose NFL chops were stale, nonexistent and marginal. He's the closest thing to Gruden since Gruden, in terms of his recent experience and upside heading into the job.

Gary said I was lying when I said that Gruden was more qualified than Cable going into the job.

That's the point we've reached here, when stating a fact is called "fabrication."

7:58 PM  
Blogger x said...

More proof of how out of touch Al is:
http://goo.gl/IvoM1

He actually thinks Calvin Johnson wouldn't have helped this team if they picked him in 2007 over JaBustus.

I venture to say that they would have won the division with a Calvin Johnson this past year.

Plus, picking him would've negated the need to pick the soon-to-be-bust-or-at-least-a dreadful-reach DHB two years later. That pick could have been Clay Matthews...how sweet would that have been?

It's all woulda-been, coulda-been.

8:31 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR -

If you want to say Jackson was a "default" selection, that is your choice. From the PC, recent interviews, and the context of Jackson being hired last year, one can draw a reasonable conclusion that Davis had Jackson in mind to be HC all along. The only question seemed to be when. The performance of the Raiders offense in 2010 confirmed Davis' inkling that Jackson was his guy to lead the team.

I agree that Jackson will have much more to deal with as a HC and NO ONE knows whether he will pan out or go down in flames. You could make the above exact statement for ANY newly hired HC.

For the record, I don't think we "lucked" into the Jackson hire. Davis identified him last year, turned the offense over to him, and watched us double our scoring output.

And let's be clear. Jackson has as good a chance to succeed as any other HC we possibly could have hired under the current circumstances.

9:05 PM  
Blogger x said...

While maybe not default, per se, I have to think that Jackson was the best choice of the very limited number of good coaches left who are willing to come to coach under Davis.

I do credit him for bringing him in, though I think it was as much timing as anything.

Before you give him too much credit, remember this is the 6th coach in nine years, since Gruden left.

Hopefully sixth time is the charm.

I love the Gruden connection. Wonder if Davis was grumbling under his breath while Jackson heaped praise on Gruden at the PC.

9:48 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

You and PR seem to be in agreement that there was a plan in place for HC. Ok. I agree that Jackson was heir apparent to Cable, but doesn't that largely stem from Davis wanting Cable gone concurrently to hiring Jackson?

So Davis waited an entire year to put that plan into action. (Davis said Cable wasn't coming back even if he made the playoffs.)

As I said, I like Jackson; and I like the point made that he has a Gruden connection. It sounds promising.

I don’t mean to think ahead too far, but I have to wonder if Jackson does well and wins games, will Davis negotiate a legitimate NFL HC contract with him, or will he let him fly (or trade him, etc)?

Davis has a terrible time finding a HC who can win, then he seems to push them away when they do win, as eluded to by Raider Nate.

Does Davis really have a plan?

5:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the chance Hue will be coaching Carson Palmer at QB?

ConchRepublican / Raider Pete

11:50 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"In the context of the Raiders, however, I believe he is, much more so than you could say of Shell II, Kiffin and Cable, whose NFL chops were stale, nonexistent and marginal."

In context of the Raiders? What, no longer are the Raiders in the NFL? They are in a different league? As far as the NFL is concerned, Hue is just an Avg coach who made HC on a team that cannot hire a REAL rising star because....well, most of us know why.

As you can see, from the time you started this blog RT, as soon as the season is done, the "speculators" rule the board with their cheerleading. EVERY year on this site, they come on here with their speculation as if it is fact and then crawl under a rock once the truth hits the fan. You can't argue with speculation and spin, like Aerosmith says, LET THE MUSIC, DO THE TALKIN. The music says that Hue is just another Cable, just another Kiffin, trying to make him out as a rising star or an Offensive genius is very laughable. He is another Al guy who will get his legs cut out from him and on to the next "rising star". That is the music we have seen for years and all these "crew" members who come on here every year and paint their pictures is the Same Ole Song and Dance.

JONES

12:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Truth is, we won't know when the HC cycle will be broken until it's actually broken.

Things appeared to be moving in a positive direction while Cable was HC. Many want to attribute that to Jackson, which is fair since it's his offense (which Cable had no say or control over) that was largely responsible for the Raiders improvement.

However, the process by which Cable was removed and Jackson hired is really not much different (maybe no different) than in the past, after which each new HC regime ended with a similar fate.

So Jackson will have to be the exception, not the rule.

It's still an uphill battle.

I guess if the Spanos can fire Marty Schottenheimer after going 14-2, then no HC should feel safe at 8-8.

Davis expects so much from his coaches, but he seems to always reach into the bottom of the coaching talent pool.

Can't anyone close to him tell him he gets what he pays for?

4:30 PM  
Blogger x said...

Can no one tell him he gets what he pays for?

Hell! It appears no one can even tell him he should probably wear a hat to a press conference......or at least get a decent bandage for that head.

5:09 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"an uphill battle", "awaiting the perfect storm","winning in spite of a dysfunctional work environment, "hoping Hue is the exception" ...

Unfortunately, this is our sad reality.

I wish it wasn't true but I don't see our 81 year old owner changing his hiring and management practices. I don't know how long Davis' health will hold up but Hue Jackson might be his last legitimate shot to reach for the brass ring.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"but Hue Jackson might be his last legitimate shot to reach for the brass ring."

So, again, why is Hue the legitimate shot? What has Hue done to deserve this label? The best he has done, is to be an OC who hit .500 ONCE. This is legit? In what world? You and your buddies are building this guy up to be a proven commodity, he is far from it. If he was such a rising star, he would have been given big consideration by other teams, did you see that? He was one Rooney interview and now the MYTH that he is a wanted man. He helped take a team to .500, you and your friends again peddle the MYTH that it was all on Hue that the Raiders made it to .500. With no mention of an improved DEFENSE that when playing aggressive were a huge part of the wins. But guess what, the DC got fired for it, the new DC will have to play passive Al defense next year or it will be the same show all over again. Dismissing the Al factor makes your judgement off course.

JONES

6:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"So, again, why is Hue the legitimate shot?"

Because (a) he is the current HC (b) the Raiders were a few blown plays away from being a playoff entrant

"What has Hue done to deserve this label?"

Taken an anemic offense and make it an explosive offense. 410 points scored is the 6th most in Raiders history. Yes, I give Jackson the lion's share of credit for this monumental turnaround.

"The best he has done, is to be an OC who hit .500 ONCE. This is legit?"

The improvement in the offense is undeniable. Bottom Line: Hue is/was the best possible candidate to take over the reins.

"In what world?"

In the current world we live in where the owner won't hire defensive candidates, doesn't have the energy or time to conduct a thorough interview process nor pay fair market value.

"You and your buddies are building this guy up to be a proven commodity, he is far from it."

I speak for myself and myself only. I have no "buddies" at RT. I am a realist and based on Jackson's experience and performance in 2010, I believe he was the best possible choice. If you disagree, go ahead and name another viable candidate who would have been better. Crickets. Exactly. I'm not leaving in a dream world Jones. I know full well the dysfunction of Oakland and realize that Jackson was the best hire under the circumstances.

"If he was such a rising star, he would have been given big consideration by other teams, did you see that?" If Harbuaugh doesn't join the Niners, I believe Jackson would have been there 2nd choice. No he didn't get interviews with the few openings (Clev., Carolina, Denver).

"He was one Rooney interview and now the MYTH that he is a wanted man."

Probably true but who cares. At no time did I ever say that Jackson would be highly sought after by other franchises. Other franchises have a normal, more conventional way of selecting their head coach.

"He helped take a team to .500, you and your friends again peddle the MYTH that it was all on Hue that the Raiders made it to .500."

The offensive players give credit to Hue. The owner gives credit to Hue. The media gives credit to Hue. The stats back up Hue. Nope. I didn't ever once say ALL the credit is deserved by Hue but he certainly deserves the bulk of the credit. If you disagree, oh well.

"With no mention of an improved DEFENSE that when playing aggressive were a huge part of the wins."

The defense deserves some credit for contributing to some of the wins but also gave up 30+ points in 6 losses. When it mattered, the D came up short. The JAX and MIA games in particular can be pinned on the D.

"But guess what, the DC got fired for it, the new DC will have to play passive Al defense next year or it will be the same show all over again.

The DC got fired because the Raiders defense underperformed when it counted. BTW, I know that the next DC will have probably the most difficult job in the NFL. Nothing new here. Am I happy that we don't have a cutting edge DC with full authority to run whatever the F he wants to? Of course not. Nothing I can do about it though. I don't expect Davis to change his MO. It looks to me that our offense will need to be SUPER dynamic to have a shot at the playoff.

"Dismissing the Al factor makes your judgement off course."

At no time have I ever dismissed the Davis factor. You must be a selective reader because I have made it quite clear that the Raiders work environment is difficult, dysfunctional, challenging, and on and on.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Well, if you look at the games the aggressive D that carried the Raiders to victory's, wasn't present on most losses. That is the Al Davis passive defense. When Marshall went against that passive defense, it was a totally different defense. The reason Marshall was fired, just like Cable, just like Kiffin...they went against Al's wishes. This is the whole point CJ which you TOTALLY ignore. Now the HC and the DC will do as they are told, it's back to Art Shell time, do you understand? This is what is so alarming with some Raider fans, they don't know what they are looking at and make out like it just isn't so = DENIAL. You say it a little more hidden than the "crew" but it is the same message.

Hue is just another on the list, you can pretend that it's wonderful and the team will continue on to bigger and better things. But when you see it as a REGRESSION that Al will control it all without a coach standing up to it, it's back to square one. This is why Cable and Marshall was promising and Al put a fork in that, didn't he? Gruden stood up to Al = wins, Cable stood up to Al = wins. Every time the coaches go along with everything the Master wants = LOSSES = Shell, Norv, can you see the picture yet? How many times must you see the movie before you can figure out the outcome? It's mind boggling that there are fans over the age of 20 who can't figure this out. Cable wasn't fired because he did a bad job, Marshall wasn't fired because he did a bad job, they were fired because they did it their way and Al freakin hates that. Thats why the team rallied around Cable, Cable was there to win, not kiss ass like Shell and Norv and Bugel. Remember, it's not whether the Raiders win or lose, it's about doing it Al's way, it's the only thing that counts. And Al's way = losses, case freakin closed.

JONES

10:40 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I have mixed feelings about Marshall. The D had their moments, but the Raiders still haven't figured out how to stop the run.

It's really amazing when you think of the talent up front and the fact that the Steelers regularly stop the run and allow on avg about 65 yards rushing per game. The Raiders regularly give up that yardage on one play.

IMO, the next DC of the Raiders (Winston Moss will be hired as soon as the SB is over), will retreat back into a passive base 4-3 m2m with a single deep safety and minimal blitzing.

On this point, I have to agree with Jones.

The closer Davis gets to the coaching level, the worse this team is. That may stem from a mere lack of communication, and the fact that Davis' coaches can't read his mind.

That brings me back to what I said before; Davis should be the HC. That's the only way he will get it done "his way".

5:29 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYR,

I agree with you about Raiders not being able to stop the run.

It's been a long time now.

I think the problem is less scheme, and more not having the big bodies in the middle of the D-line.

You can see some of these guys playing inside for the playoff teams. They are massive, and they are hard to move.

Henderson is ok, but on his last legs. Raiders need a fat, shot of youth in the DT position.

6:05 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
NYR:
The closer Davis gets to the coaching level, the worse this team is.
>>>>>

Raider insider NYR speaks!

How are you so intimate with the clubhouse from so many miles away?

For some reason you keep ignoring my requests to reveal your sources.

6:17 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

The Packer's BJ Raji was a player the Raiders could have drafted instead of DHB.

Raji had a monster game against the Bears, and he is part of the reason that GB is going to the SB.

Of course, Oher and Monroe were also available to the Raiders when they drafted DHB.

Davis is willing to admit that Russell cost the Raiders (time and money). IMO, DHB has hurt the Raiders progression almost as much as Russell did.

11:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

Applying your double-standards again?

When have you ever sourced anything you post?

You don't think Davis is involved with the coaching even though Hue Jackson refers to Davis as "Coach Davis."

Or are you of the opinion that Jackson listens but ignores the advice of Coach Davis?

If that's the case, we can immediately start the clock on Jackson's departure.... as well as start the clock on Al Saunders' audition for HC.

It's a vicious cycle.

12:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The official report:

Among the coaches from last season's team no longer listed on the site are offensive line coach Jim Michalczik, quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett, linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, assistant offensive line coach Chris Morgan and passing game coordinator Ted Tollner.

Hue Jackson Head Coach
Greg Biekert Assistant Coach on Defense
Willie Brown Squad Development
John Fassel Special Teams Coordinator
Adam Henry Tight Ends
Sanjay Lal Wide Receivers
Brad Roll Strength and Conditioning
Kevin Ross Assistant Coach
Al Saunders Offensive Coordinator
Kelly Skipper Running Backs
Lionel Washington Defensive Backs
Mike Waufle Defensive Line

We wont have a new "DC" until after the "SB" because he is now employed by "GB"...

2:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Way to set the record straight...

You have no buddies on this board...

Hell if that fool was reading you and I disagree most of the time...But once in a while you get something right!!!..Ha! Ha!...

On this we disagree (Your Perpetual derogatory view of my Raider)...

Unfortunately, this is our sad reality.

"BullShit"....It's your sad perception...


"X"...

Al Davis made the Gruden connection to Hue...Go read the script...


The crying has already takin shape and the deluge of water is one the way...How freakin pathetic!!!...

PantyRaider..."Valley Of Doom-n-Gloom" On Your "Trail-O-Tears"....Unleash The FloodGates!!!/_

2:25 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

Gary -

Applying your double-standards again?
>>>>

No, not at all.

If I say something that is a guess, I usually try to STATE IT AS SUCH.

OTOH (and this is a trait I notice of pretty much every IAAFer) whenever you state something about the Raiders and particularly Al... you state it as if its a fucking FACT! Over and over and over and over again.

Thus I keep bothering you about your "Raider Insider" status.

Stating how close Al "gets to coaching" is strictly a GUESS.

Do you not even have the self-realization that you keep doing this?

2:38 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
You don't think Davis is involved with the coaching even though Hue Jackson refers to Davis as "Coach Davis."
>>>>


The only guess I have on this is an informed one by reading JMACS writings, and that still is only THIRD HAND information.

I do find it interesting today what JMAC said about how the DC coaching pick will be made.

It goes entirely against everything I have read from you and every other Al-hater has said over the years.

I thought Al picked the DC and the HC had no say in it.

You as the official "Insider" has said this numerous times, no doubt.

Today I find out that Jackson will have a list of candidates to consider, and he picks the one he wants.

As this forums official insider... which one of you is right? JMAC or NYR???

2:47 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider 00:
I think the problem is less scheme, and more not having the big bodies in the middle of the D-line.
>>>>


Wow... IMO, 80% of the rushing yardage given up is always when the RB gets past the front 4.

>>>
You can see some of these guys playing inside for the playoff teams. They are massive, and they are hard to move.
>>>>


There are no playoff teams playing with safeties as horrible as the Raiders. Not even close.

2:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary: "The only guess I have on this is an informed one by reading JMACS writings, and that still is only THIRD HAND information."

NYR: Jackson has referred to Davis as "coach Davis" in the media many times.

Gary: "I do find it interesting today what JMAC said about how the DC coaching pick will be made."

"It goes entirely against everything I have read from you and every other Al-hater has said over the years."

NYR: Yeah, and if Winston Moss becomes DC, I guess that will be Jackson's call, right? Moss was connected to the job long before Davis even knew who Jackson was.

3:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

You keep asking for proof....any dummy who pays attention could figure it out, but some are real dummies and can't seem to grasp it. The proof has been 20 some odd yrs of history of Al Davis demanding full control and having coaches do just what he wants.

When those coaches become "rebellious", they are now sliding down Al's shitrope and sooner or later they are cut down. It's all right there. There are quotes from those who have been in the front office to players that say flat out that Raiderville is NUTS.

Look at the last few press conferences, tell me those aren't NUTS. The overhead projector, the long winded assaults of character of the former coach, the freakin bandaid, the nonremembering of who is hiring and asking for info on the guy just before he announces that he is going to hire him.

Then look at his firings, Art2, Art bails him out and Al says Art wrecked the team and picked Huff instead of who he wanted. Al then proceeds to tell Art to piss off and treat him like garbage. Now who is the freakin liar?

Then Kiffin, keeps the guy on so he can build a case to steal his money, be damned the team. Keeps Ryan on for 6 yrs while the defense sucked every year and goes through multiple Head coaches. Keeps Hanson on for use vs Kiffin, causes huge problems with his HC, then blames his HC for it all in a lawsuit. Makes his HC play players that suck because Al picked them OBVIOUSLY. This is just a taste, imagine what is happening behind the scenes.

X supplied a quote from a former coach who laughed at the prospect of coming back, saying his 2 yrs was a sentence. Sapps confession that Al changes gameplans on Thursday night and the players have to relearn them on Friday...plenty of proof that many continue to ignore because Al is their god. How much is needed?

JONES

3:27 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Winston Moss's name came on this board when I posted it here and NOT before..."CJ" than followed up on that as an agreed "DC" prospect..."BR" posted about 2 former players who wanted to be interviewed and speculated it was Moss -n- Gannon...

Now "NYR" acts like it was Davis' plan all along when Al has never even mentioned Winston Moss in any respect...

My how the shit gets twisted on the "Board of Depression"...

PantyRaider..."IAAF"er You Can't Read Anything Right Or Get The Sense Of It!!!/_

3:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This is all the prof I need to see:


Al just sat on my face again, thanks Al, maybe next time he could wipe his ass first.

JONES


Jup!!...Your a "WideMouth" Ass Kisser for sure...Right from your own big shity mouth!!!...

3:46 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Winston Moss was interviewed for the job two years ago. So now each day that passes without the Raiders hiring a DC, IMO, points to Moss once again being a candidate. He cannot be approached for the job until his SB business is finished (actually, there may be a brief window between now and the game that he can interview).

So my guess is Moss is a leading candidate, and Jackson and Moss probably don't even know each other. Hence, Moss is strictly a "Davis connection."

PR, if you want to take credit for identifying Moss, go right ahead. That doesn't make the choice any better... probably worse.

4:09 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
NYR: Yeah, and if Winston Moss becomes DC, I guess that will be Jackson's call, right? Moss was connected to the job long before Davis even knew who Jackson was.
>>>>

LOL! You can't even stop doing it after I called you out on it, can you? Its like someone with a incurable disease.

How on earth do you know that Moss is so likely to become the DC?

6:02 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
So my guess is Moss is a leading candidate, and Jackson and Moss probably don't even know each other. Hence, Moss is strictly a "Davis connection."
>>>>>

JMAC said that Jackson will get a list of possible DC's to choose from... and has the final say in the choice.

What other information do you possess, oh Raider Insider???

6:06 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

From JMACs live chat:

...quote...


[Comment From paulpaul: ]
jerry have you heard anything on how much input hue will have on dc? any? or basically is it als call like usual. thanks
Tuesday January 25, 2011 12:59 paul
1:00


jerrymac:
The way it works is this _ he interviews from a pool of candidates whom Al has already approved or is OK with. And he probably picks his own from that pool. A new coach has a ``honeymoon'' period where they get to do more than you think.

...end quote....



So there you have it. Its not all Al's call according to JMAC... and the HC does the interviewing.

RAIDER INSIDER NYR obviously disagrees here.

What is the source of his information?

I'll let the reader decide... he never sez.

Personally I think he is simply pulling shit out of his ass...

6:14 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I would LOVE it if Jackson is fully involved with the selection process from start (compiling a list and engaging w/the candidates) to finish (making the final choice for HIS staff).

However, if Winston Moss is the final choice, make no mistake about it ... it was strictly Al's choice & decision.

I would need to look it up but if I'm not mistaken, Moss has interviewed with Al on 2 separate occasions.

6:35 PM  
Blogger x said...

Who made up this IAAF label crap? That shit is played out.

If it's NOT all Al's fault, whose fault is it? Whose fault are these horrendous last eight years and, by the way, quite a few crap years before 2000? Coaches have changed, players have come and gone...the only common denominator through this misery is Al.

Oh wait, maybe it's all Willie Brown's fault. Or it's all John Herrera's fault. Maybe Amy Trask?

He's the owner and GM and controls every aspect of the organization. He SHOULD be at fault for the failures Likewise, he should be given credit when it's due - as in the most recent draft (after some questionable ones).

The IAAF tag is ridiculous because it IS all Al's fault. Fans commenting here (and a good majority by the way) are just stating the obvious and instead get mocked and labeled for it.

Put it to rest.

6:51 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The same folks who like to bandy the IAAF label crap can't stand it when Davis is given credit.

In my book, Davis deserves credit for:

Trading for Campbell for a 4th round pick.

The entire 2010 draft.

Drafting Murphy, Shillens, Miller, McFadden, Bush, Shaunnessey, T. Scott.

Identifying Jackson as OC and future HC.

Acquiring Wembley, Cartright and Seymour.

8:47 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Someone explain to me how a 3-4 defense guy like Moss is suddenly the leading candidate for a job when a 4-3 owner is calling more shots than Stalin in Russia circa 1945?

Seems paradoxical.

And I'd prolly drop the IAAF stuff if for once in this lifetime one of the IAAFers admitted they were actually WRONG about something.

Watch if Moss isn't hired how NYR will suddenly pretend he never said a word about him almost certainly being hired. I've only seen it a thousand times lately.


I mean, I saw "I'll be happy to be wrong" a million times when the Raiders were fighting their way to respectability prior to this past season.

One would think that happiness would translate into actual admittance of wrong once the respectability was achieved... Maybe I missed it???

This team is 8-8 and another great draft away from being an elite team for quite some time... perhaps a SD-type roll if they can solve the QB issue. This all hasn't been happenstance.

And no... I will NOT be happy to be wrong.

9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too late.

9:40 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Again, we have a "crew" member talking about the 8 year plan to get to 8-8, like we should cherish it. Like we are all so lucky to witness it. The chemistry throughout the Org has been heavily changed, it looks like Al is running it all again, YIPPEEEE. History tells us that it isn't at very good odds to work out.

This "crew" member who has been wrong every yr for at least 5 yrs has never said he was wrong. The team makes it to 8-8 and he demands with fists pounding on his screen for admissions that some were wrong because they made 8-8. Then the HC, DC gets fired and it's twisted into just a continuation of progress. Idol worship is a KILLA.

JONES

9:59 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Watch if Moss isn't hired how NYR will suddenly pretend he never said a word about him almost certainly being hired. I've only seen it a thousand times lately."

Gary, I have not said more than it's a possibility. As Calico Jack points out, Moss has been interviewed by Davis in the past, and perhaps more than once.

Even J-mac said in his live blog (which you are trying to use against me) that each day that passes increases the possibility Davis is waiting for access to Moss.

And I agree completely with the process that J-Mac describes. Al Davis will provide Jackson a list of his "approved" candidates and Jackson will choose from that list.

That's quite different than Jackson compiling his own list.

Meanwhile, the defense has been the same for as long as I care to remember (i.e., not reaching into the 70's).

The Raiders play it one way, regardless of the opponent... paraphrasing the words of Nnamdi Asomugha.

Just like the crew. One rule.

4:47 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Even J-mac said in his live blog (which you are trying to use against me) that each day that passes increases the possibility Davis is waiting for access to Moss.
>>>>>

I don't remember that, but even if so, that is in direct contradiction to him REPEATEDLY saying that he doesn't see the Raiders moving to a 3-4.

And so you are admitting that the HC gets to choose a DC?? (even if its from a list) what happened to the IAAFer mantra that the HC has NO input into the assistants, especially on defense... I've only read that here 500 times as evidence of how dysfunctional the Raider organization is.

I would guess most teams have a pool of coaches the owner finds acceptable to work with. If I owned a team, I would do the same thing.

8:10 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Just like the crew. One rule.
>>>>


If theres a "crew" here, its the IAAFer crew. I've had heated disagreements with just about everyone here... but when has an IAAFer told someone like JONES he is full of shit in bashing Al, fer instance?

8:17 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

New name.....AIG'ers...Al is god.

JONES

8:23 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

sorry folks, been away. has anyone mentioned bresnahan's name as a DC yet? his name keeps popping up...

8:50 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"And so you are admitting that the HC gets to choose a DC?? (even if its from a list) what happened to the IAAFer mantra that the HC has NO input into the assistants...,"

Show me where I said the HC has "NO INPUT".

Gary, if anyone is making stuff up, it's you and your "one rule."

One recent post I made in connection with HCs having input in hiring assistants is that it can be a process by which Davis networks with assistant coaches around the league.

That doesn't change the fact that the list of DC candidates Jackson will choose from is Davis' list, not Jackson's.

This is particularly true of the defense. It's possible that Jackson will have no say in the defense at all... which happens to Raiders' HCs from time to time.

9:02 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

>>>>
NYR: Even J-mac said in his live blog (which you are trying to use against me) that each day that passes increases the possibility Davis is waiting for access to Moss.
>>>>>

Gary: "I don't remember that, but even if so, that is in direct contradiction to him REPEATEDLY saying that he doesn't see the Raiders moving to a 3-4."
__________

Here it is....


[Comment From momo: ]
"Is Mr. Davis waiting for Winston Moss for the D-coordinator job?"

jerrymac: "The longer it goes on the more the possibility it's someone involved with Green Bay, with Moss and Darren Perry the most likely. Neither has been a DC."

Gary, stop wasting my time with your childish accusations.

9:08 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Gary, stop wasting my time with your childish accusations.
>>>>>

What did I accuse you of? I admitted I didn't remember it, and then said if he did say it its in contradiction to his statements that the Raiders aren't going to a 3-4.

Thats all I said... jeeesh.

11:19 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

White asked Jackson Tuesday if the "Super Bowl teams are holding up your DC hire? "

Jackson answered, "Until we have one, every team has a bearing. We're just going to keep searching."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?entry_id=81760#ixzz1CAf3cydR

11:23 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Glazer: Raiders denied in bid to talk to Thurman

The Raiders requested permission to talk to New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman about the vacant defensive coordinator position but were told no,

Thurman was on the Baltimore Ravens’ staff with Hue Jackson before joining the New York Jets in 2009 and also worked with Jackson for a year on the USC staff in 2000.


Yah!...That was obviously an Al Davis move!!!...Hue had no say!!..


Hue at the Senior Bowl

Jackson told Bengals.com he planned on reaching out to the fan base in Oakland and although he couldn’t comment directly on any interest in wide receiver Chad Johnson, said of him, “He’s my son.”


So yah!!...If that happens Hue had NO say in it either...

The "BS" just continues to spin!!!..

"NYR"...

Show me where I said the HC has "NO INPUT".

Hundreds of times and I'm NOT going to go in depth to search out everyone of your stupid comments so you can bend those rubber walls of your again...You just lied by saying you never said that...

Winston Moss has been with "GB" sense 2006...Where did you get the info that he interviewed 2 years ago which would have been when Marshal was hired...

"CJ"...

I would need to look it up but if I'm not mistaken, Moss has interviewed with Al on 2 separate occasions.

So has Al Sanders but does that make him any less of a Hue pick as a result...If Al has a list of coaches he would be willing to hire and Hue makes choices from the list than why the hell would that be such an issue with you...

Makes NO sense at all....

PantyRaider..."IAAF"ers Stands...You Earn It Repeatedly!!!/_

11:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said:

"NYR"...

Show me where I said the HC has "NO INPUT".

"Hundreds of times and I'm NOT going to go in depth to search out everyone of your stupid comments so you can bend those rubber walls of your again...You just lied by saying you never said that..."
___________

Ok. That's credible. I must have said it because you say so.

Funny how you have no problem labeling me a liar (w/o a shred of evidence), yet you also have no problem boasting your complete fabrications.

One rule!

I really can't understand why you and Gary are so freakin' concerned about what I say.

If you want to dispute what I write, find a source and make it credible.

Most of the time, I state that the comments I post are my opinion. But somehow stating my opinion is a lie. That's rich.

11:37 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"IAAF"er Facts: Traits of the CREW

#1...No matter what Al does a way is found to paint it Bleak...

#2...Al is always assumed wrong and than when the evidences is over welling that he was right it's ignored...

#3...Sick ass pointed remarks are made at his age and appearance in total disrespect -n- disdain...

#4...Mistakes are noted as his intent to demolish the team he so loves...

#5...He is denied credit for his great achievements thew time...

#6...Mistakes made by those who he employs are projected onto him even after he corrects it by firing their asses....

#7...Stupid "Mediot" Crap is elevated above the words of Mr Davis or statements from his organization...

#8...Those who loyally continue to support and respect the "OldMan" in faith as fans are treated as sub-level posters on the "Bord of Depression" while the "IAAF"ers continue elevating their own arrogance!!!

More to follow!!!

PantyRaider...The Record Is Very Clear!!!/_

11:40 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"....

Now show where you state it as "Your Opinion"...

You state your Crap as fact when there is absolutely NO basis for it while attempting to diminish everything we post...

Your "LIES" have an abundance and the records are all here...But you continue in denial...

nyraider said...



Interesting exchange from Cable's Q&A.



Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?



Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.



Q: So you expect him to be out there this week, or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?



You think he/she means Al Davis?



5:28 PM



nyraider said...



PR - don't get your panties in a bunch over the Q&A I posted. I don't condone it. If that’s a jab at Al Davis it is disrespectful beyond belief. I’m surprised Herrera wasn't there to flex his paper muscles and escort that person out of the PC.




4:53 AM



nyraider said...



As for the Q&A, I was genuinely shocked by the statement. That's why (and the only reason) I posted it. In the few years I've been here at RT, I have never dissed the man in that way, and don’t expect others to, especially professional media. That’s totally uncalled for and, as I said, unprofessional. I remain a fan of Al Davis, despite that I disagree with the way he runs the team. Whether you chose to believe that or not really makes no difference to me. It’s a fact.



3:21 PM



nyraider said...



Ok, something very strange happened.



The Q&A I posted this morning was verbatim from J-Mac’s blog. I went back to it and found the content in question had been removed. I then searched the web for another transcript and found the same language as now posted on J-Mac’s site.



I assure you, this is not a hoax, at least not by me.



The perpetrator is either the author of the Q&A section I read this morning or it was removed (A) because it was distasteful and classless, or (B) to protect the media individual who made the comment.



I would like to email J-Mac and ask, but I am unable to find his email address (which is no surprise considering all the nuts he would hear from, today me being one).



I have no answer. If you want to believe I made it up, I have no proof that I didn’t. However, I assure you I did not. As I said, I posted it verbatim, in pure shock that it was said. I have stood behind every post I've ever made on this site. I have no problem accepting what is fact and acknowledging when I'm wrong.



However, this is pure mystery. Perhaps it will surface again in some fashion. Hard to believe that could get put out there then removed without a trace.



4:49 PM

11:46 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Wow! Are you sure you want to go there again?

That proves absolutely nothing (about nothing), except that you live for the fight.

You want to antagonize me into another fight with you by re-posting your childish, off-topic accusations from months ago.

So I guess we can start talking about your hut in Asia, your travel habits, and your midget-sized mental capacity if you want.

I'd prefer not to go there, if for no other reason than to extend some courtesy to the other folks here at Raider Take.

Stick with the discussion at hand and I will be happy to provide you with a reasonable, non-personal response. In other words, grow up!

12:09 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"So I guess we can start talking about your hut in Asia, your travel habits, and your midget-sized mental capacity if you want."

Don't forget about his "wife", that one really hits the button. Pantywaste still thinks it's cool to drive around aimlessly in a 1971 VW van and sleep in store parking lots. It was cool in the 60's & 70's, so it must be today? Just like his idea of the 70's Raiders coming back to life....the guy is stuck and he can't get up.

He still wants fist fights too, by the monkey bars, in his Elementary school that he went to oh so long ago. It's OK Waste/Jethro, we understand, you took that major blow to the nogin and it's been a haze ever since. You better get outside and find some cigarette butts and empty beer cans, it's almost Dinner time.

JONES

1:10 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Whatever your opinion about run defense, this much is clear. 2 of the best run defenses will meet in the SB. Raiders need to get up to speed in this area.

Other then the run D, not really overly impressed with the SB teams.

GB, had a nice 1st half agianst Bears, but did little in the 2nd half.

Same for Pitt. Great 1st half, then hung on by the fingernails.

What these teams do have, is a toughness, and a focus, for every play, of every game.

That is going to be Hue Jackson's greatest challenge.
Getting the Raiders to be tough, & focused all the time. Even against the bad teams.

I believe the Raiders, talent wise, can compete with the elite teams.

They just have to find that old, will to win.

1:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00-

GB has Arron Rodgers, and Steelers have Ben Rapelessburger, both franchise QBs.

Both went against elite defenses.

"That is going to be Hue Jackson's greatest challenge.
Getting the Raiders to be tough, & focused all the time. Even against the bad teams."

This was what I thought Cable was accomplishing (well, trying to and occasionally succeeding). However, it means nothing if he and the GM are at odds, which they were.

2:28 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Is this due diligence or just a phony hoax...

Goodell: $1 salary if work stoppage

NEW YORK (AP)—NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will cut his salary to $1 if there is a work stoppage after the collective bargaining agreement expires in March.

Goodell, who makes about $10 million a year including bonuses, said in a memo to his staff Wednesday that chief negotiator Jeff Pash will do the same. Pash makes nearly $5 million a year.

Goodell also has asked the league’s compensation committee to delay any bonus payments to him until after a deal is reached with the NFL Players Association.

“Let me emphasize that we are fully committed to doing everything possible to reach a new collective bargaining agreement without any disruption to our business,” Goodell said. “The entire senior leadership team stands with me in its commitment to resolving the CBA issues with the player’s union.

“While several other executives have also volunteered to make additional reductions to their compensation, I have asked them not to take that step at this time as we continue our negotiating efforts.”

NFL owners opted out of the agreement in 2008.

Union chief DeMaurice Smith has predicted the owners will lock out the players after the March 4 expiration of the contract with the league. Smith tweeted in reaction to Goodell’s pledge: “NFL executives reducing salaries in the event of a lockout? If we have a deal by Super Bowl, I’ll go down to 68 cents.”

NFLPA communications director Carl Francis was not impressed by Goodell’s memo.

“I have been around long enough to know that this decision is irrelevant to the process,” Francis said. “He should also guarantee there won’t be a lockout.”

PantyRaider...Everyone should Be reduced To $1.00....NO Exceptions Than They Would Get off Their asses And get Something Done!!!/_

WoW!...What a concept...Wonder how that would go over in the senate/House -n- Executive Branch...Not to mention the banks and all other major scammers of the American public who vote themselves a raise before they go to work each year!!!...

3:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...Bring it on with your LIES!!

So I guess we can start talking about your hut in Asia, your travel habits, and your midget-sized mental capacity if you want.

Post it...I will stand toe to toe with you on life any damn day of the week...Mine is out there...I'm living it...From prospecting for "REE"s in Cambodia/Thailand to sleeping around in my old 30ft Revcon Cass A to my double condo on the beach in Koh Kong to my years of service to this nation and my education as Metallurgist/Gemologist/Mining Geologist...It's all there as a mater of record...I'm not hiding behind a keyboard like some weak ass "NetScum" like your childish buddy JUDAS the LIAR -n- you!!!...

So than let's put it to a vote...
----------------------------------
"NYR" said:

Funny how you have no problem labeling me a liar (w/o a shred of evidence), yet you also have no problem boasting your complete fabrications.

As evidence I posted:
----------------------------------
nyraider said...

Interesting exchange from Cable's Q&A.

Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?

Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.

Q: So you expect him to be out there this week, or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?

You think he/she means Al Davis?

5:28 PM


nyraider said...

PR - don't get your panties in a bunch over the Q&A I posted. I don't condone it. If that’s a jab at Al Davis it is disrespectful beyond belief. I’m surprised Herrera wasn't there to flex his paper muscles and escort that person out of the PC.

4:53 AM


nyraider said...

As for the Q&A, I was genuinely shocked by the statement. That's why (and the only reason) I posted it. In the few years I've been here at RT, I have never dissed the man in that way, and don’t expect others to, especially professional media. That’s totally uncalled for and, as I said, unprofessional. I remain a fan of Al Davis, despite that I disagree with the way he runs the team. Whether you chose to believe that or not really makes no difference to me. It’s a fact.

3:21 PM


nyraider said...

Ok, something very strange happened.

The Q&A I posted this morning was verbatim from J-Mac’s blog. I went back to it and found the content in question had been removed. I then searched the web for another transcript and found the same language as now posted on J-Mac’s site.

I assure you, this is not a hoax, at least not by me.

The perpetrator is either the author of the Q&A section I read this morning or it was removed (A) because it was distasteful and classless, or (B) to protect the media individual who made the comment.

I would like to email J-Mac and ask, but I am unable to find his email address (which is no surprise considering all the nuts he would hear from, today me being one).

I have no answer. If you want to believe I made it up, I have no proof that I didn’t. However, I assure you I did not. As I said, I posted it verbatim, in pure shock that it was said. I have stood behind every post I've ever made on this site. I have no problem accepting what is fact and acknowledging when I'm wrong.

However, this is pure mystery. Perhaps it will surface again in some fashion. Hard to believe that could get put out there then removed without a trace.

4:49 PM
----------------------------------

So now step right up to the plate and vote...

A)..."NYR" is telling the truth and "J-Mac" is the type of low life scum that would put this type of despicable crap in his public blog....

B)..."NYR" is a LIAR and posted something from another board as being from "J-Mac"s Blog and than has continued to spin his perpetual LIES to cove up his other LIES!!!...

C)...I don't want to be involved because anything I say can and shall be used against me and posted as a mater of record to "J-mac" himself....

PantyRaider...Here Ye! Here Ye! Cort Is Now In Session!!!/_

3:44 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Judas the LIAR!!...

May the Rapture bleed your damn lying ass!!!...

Coward!!!...

3:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Oakland Raiders' new coach ousts six assistants

NO!!...How can that be possible...NO "HC" for the Raiders ever has such "POWER on the DARK SIDE"!!!....

New Raiders coach Hue Jackson has notified defensive coordinator John Marshall, offensive line coach Jim Michalczik, linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, passing game coordinator Ted Tollner, quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett and assistant offensive line coach Chris Morgan that they won't be retained.

Jackson interviewed former Raiders defensive backs coach and defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan for the vacancy created by the departure of Marshall, according to a league source.

How Dare He!!!..The Rebellion has already started...

PantyRaider...Just Wait...The Empire Strikes Back!!!/_

"All too easy...Just as I have foreseen it"

3:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I already know you can't stand toe to toe with me...Your far too shy and elusive hiding in obscurity in your closet (Cubical if you have a job) between your perpetual "Rubber Walls" while you post your falsies...I means un-truths in total denial in your attempt to undermine the greatness of my Raiders and the "GodFather"...

You just can't hang in my world of being exposed and unhidden free to roam this Earth meeting every new challenge face to face...Not the life for all but a "Pirate's Life For Me"!!!...

Meanwhile in your little obscure place in hiding the cold creeps in and the darkness overwhelms so "Doom-n-Gloom" are your possession and Tears are your only pleasure...

Cry as you may like such a little lad

A pool of tears now that's your bad

Hiding in dense darkness now so sad

It pains you to know that I'm so glad

Remembering all the great fun my team -n- I have had

My Raiders rebounding just drive you mad

PantyRaider....If Ever Your Up To The Challenge Present Yourself "Mental Wizard"!!!/_

4:45 PM  
Anonymous tinfoil said...

The idea, I hope, of this blog was to be a clearing house for reasonable discussion about our football team.

Anybody is (or at least was) allowed their opion and the right to express it.

Raider Take is a very appropriate guy - he says what he thinks and he does so in a respectful manner.

This site has turned into a bunch of snarky commentators who do not understand that other people are allowed to have their opinions without all the hateful responses and name calling.

Love Davis or hate Davis, who cares - but do so appropriately.

Otherwise, we've just turned into a bunch of lowlife slugs with no moral boundries and even less accountability.

Get a life.

4:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I accept your foolish challenge...

Topic for debate:

Intervalance charge transfer and the effects of Fe2 thermal precipitation threw electromagnetic fields

Cold fusion in an alternating polar HF cone between ceramic electrodes and the effects of heat -n- time on the reaction

Probability of Cr2 diffusion of voids vacated by Fe2 precipitation

The low temperature flux fusion process and effects of electromagnetic fields upon clarity in a thermal environment

It won't do you any good to Wiki this...You either know something or you don't...

PantyRaider....Like Your Brain Can Measure Up!!!!/_

5:02 PM  
Blogger x said...

.....un-truths in total denial in your attempt to undermine the greatness of my Raiders and the "GodFather".

C'mon man, we're all fans here and have opinions.

Just because you profess blind loyalty to Al, while others are more reasonable in their appropriate criticism of the record-breakingly bad last eight years doesn't make the Raiders more "yours" or you more loyal to the team.

No one's denying the greatness in the past, but that is the past and pretty far back there in that past.

How many more years does the non-winning streak has to go on for you to offer up any sort of criticism?

5:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

Ok, which Wal-Mart store do you want to meet at this time?

Or do you want to discuss differential equations?

It’s amazing that you have no qualm about dragging this site down to its lowest possible depths.

Your rants and raves are obnoxious and offensive to anyone who comes here to read and exchange thoughts and ideas about Raiders' football.

Are you so confrontation because you’re embarrassed by your inability to talk Raiders football with a knowledgeable perspective and reasonable discourse?

See a pattern?

Maybe you can find it in yourself to back away from the cliff and just stop reading my posts.

5:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

tinfoil....

There was a day when posters on this board had some resemblance of family as Raider Fans...Unfortunately that has taken a back seat to the type of Punks that would use the info we posted hear as a means of assault on others who don't share their very negative/derogatory views of Mr Davis and the Raiders he has built...

Several of us posted about our families and time served and other experiences in life that led us to become Raider fans...Than this pure "NetScum" used the wives of at least 2 posters in a very derogatory and racially bigoted fashion without any restraint what so ever...That Bigotry has also been in a religious fashion while it proclaims itself as the TRUTH!!!...Furthermore by those who never served the scars of some who have are pimped in a disgusting manner and disabilities are projected as points of jest...

It has been posted here by at least 2 that whatever we say about ourselves is fare game...Than so be it...

I therefor am very open...I'm standing here and state where that is...San Luis Obispo...Let the fuckin Coward step the hell up and my 60 year old ass will put the punks down!!!...

I understand you don't like the situation that has developed...Neither do I but I refuse to step back...I never have before and never will...And I'm quite sure if attacks are made on your spouse or other family members you will have your adverse reactions also...

PantyRaider...The Culprits Know who They Are!!!/_

5:22 PM  
Blogger x said...

Good stuff from Al Saunders:
http://bit.ly/dY0f6Y

Hate to go all IAAF on you guys, but didn't Norv and Cable say a lot of the same things....Raider fans growing up, bring back the long ball and power running, etc

Hopefully, this time it works out!

Yes, I'm optimistic!

5:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"X"...

I post about the bad -n the mistakes...But I do so in a respectful fashion taking into account the circumstances and all the players involved from the owner on down...

Now you answer me this:

What point is served when you draw undue attention to the scars on an old man's head...That's something we all have to look forward to before the end comes upon us...It may be of some cancerous source...Are you always in such a habit of poking fun at the old and disabled or only when they are targets of your complete and total disdain????....

C'mon man, we're all fans here and have opinions.

Is this what you term as "Opinions"...

Let me ask you this...(I Don't/Won't Do It)...Would you appreciate me or anyone else posting such derogatory crap about your son your so proud of in your pic...I think NOT...

Well some of us old timers hold Mr Dais in very high esteem and have for years and don't appreciate our Raider Family Head being treated with complete and total disdain the way has been propagated on this board...Not to mention the team in general...

PantyRaider....Food For Thought....How Do Your Words Affect Others!!!!/_

5:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

“That’s my home. I was a ball boy for Al Davis in 1963 back when he was the head football coach. So, I go back a long way with that team. When I was growing up, that was my team. It’s kind of exciting to be home.”

Now that's history and the kind of admiration that several of the old timers share regarding Mr Davis and his Raiders...

PantyRaider...Things We Hold Dear!!!/_

5:42 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

differential equations:

In what application...Time/Heat/Energy/Chemical Reaction/Fluid Dynamics/Thermal Dynamics????

What Physical Science...

5:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"....

Maybe you can find it in yourself to back away from the cliff and just stop reading my posts.

Bridge Walking again are you...So now you try to put my ass on the cliff...Not happening...

Why don't you try NOT directing your discourse at me or what I post for starters...Instead of trying to find fault in what you fail to understand or appreciate...

And as you recall...I did that ignoring thing for quite a while but you continued to post all your disgusting little "BS" crap at me until I was tired of your total childishness and went on the assault...Now you try to deny the record as usual and pimp yourself as the sweet little "Poster Child" of everything nice while it was YOU who initiated conflict with your adverse comments on my service connected disabilities accusing me of being on Welfare when the VA put me at 100% as well as the SSA...

That was 7 seasons ago...I'm up and strong again now so bring it on COWARDS!!!...

PantyRaider...Eat -n- Live Your Own Damn Words 1st!!!!/_

6:04 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Thanks, Tinfoil. Well said. Let's all take heed.

6:57 PM  
Blogger x said...

Didn't mean to offend or be mean-spirited in regards to Al's head wound.

I feel for him and it's painful seeing his health degrade.

Very sad.

I was just trying to make a point wrt the yes men around him and the fact that they seem to be afraid to advise him to cover up with more than a couple of 5 cent bandaids before appearing in front of the national media.

Sorry, but I know I wouldn't let my Dad go out in public like that.

It opened the floodgates for really mean comments from the real haters out there.

7:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"X"...

Thanks...The apology is well taken...Not to me but to Mr Davis himself...

"Battle Scars" of life...As we get them we become less and less prone to hide from them...To the contrary...I took the hit's but I'm still standing...That becomes a source for pride not shame...

Growing old is NOT for the weak heartened...

You will understand when you get there...

It's like a year or so ago when his leg was bothering him real bad and a damn "Mediot" spouted off with some derogatory "BS" at a "PC"...

Mr Davis told him "I would kick your ass if my leg would let me"...

If I had been there I would have stood up as Al's 2nd and put his ass on the ground...Just like I would have done for any coach/master I ever played for...

His press badge of protection means nothing to me...I'll take my hits after but he gets his 1st...


"RT"...

It is what it is...This is what it has degenerated to...When they took it upon themselves to attack our personal lives because they couldn't hold their own on the subject of football...The sport was beyond them...

How you clean it up now I don't know...I guess you will be wanting to discuss that with Tommy Boy Cable...He seemed to know how to fix it....

PantyRaider...He did His Job Well Only To Succumb To His Own Inherit Weaknesses!!!/_

7:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Here is a way to watch the games again if it works...Haven't tried it yet but pass it on as an option:

http://thepiratebay.org/search/Raiders%20Chiefs/0/99/200

8:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I have an opinion regarding the bandage on Davis head during the press conference.

The bandage is a symbol of the man's frailty, and his impending inability to handle the physical demands of an extremely demanding job. It's also indicative of the state of the Raiders, which is severely wounded by years of ineptitude.

So it’s time (actually, past time) for the man to step aside and tend to his health, while other more physically capable persons of his choosing tackle (pun intended) the demanding and critical jobs in the organization that he insanely refuses to properly delegate to others.

There. That’s not stated as fact. It’s my personal opinion. I am a fan of Al Davis and his legacy, but I feel he does not know when to step aside for the good of the organization that he worked so hard to build.

I can only hope that hiring and overseeing the Hue Jackson regime represents the last time Davis will attempt to handle this alone.

So the bandage, while perhaps hiding an underlying and more serious condition I am not aware, acts as a symbol that Davis needs help.

We stand wounded as fans, and as a Raider Nation.

God bless America!

4:54 AM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

Raider00 said, "Whatever your opinion about run defense, this much is clear. 2 of the best run defenses will meet in the SB. Raiders need to get up to speed in this area."

Steelers were #1 in the run defense this year, and the Packers were #18. The top 5:
Steelers, Bears, Jets, Ravens, and 49ers. The Steelers, Jets, Ravens, and 49ers play a 3-4 base defense, and the Bears play a 4-3 base defense.

The Steelers gave up an average 62.8 rushing yards per game as a defense. The Bears gave up an average 90.1, and the Jets 90.9. The disparity between the Bears and Steelers is quite amazing.

From the top 5 teams mentioned, what I observe to be the key factors in stopping the run, is not so much a NT/DT, and D-line; but the Linebackers and Safeties ability to plug the gap. These teams use their D-Line to redirect the blocking/RB to the LB gap. The Steelers, Jets, and Ravens use both the Safeties and LB to stop the run. The Bears and 49ers are more driven by their LB's.

I think Quentin Groves and Rolando McClain were big additions to the LB corp; and though McClain made strides as a rookie, he still has to recognize his gaps to fill against the run. Thomas Howard, Sam Williams, Ricky Brown, and Travis Goethel (a rookie as well) still overshoot the gap on the run; and that is what kills us.
We are great in defending the pass, but not in recognizing the run. Part of that may stem from the D-Line's inability to redirect the RB to the gaps; or it may be the LB's are hesitant/slow to get to the gap because they're dropping into a pass coverage. I don't know, I haven't seen many games (I listen online). Either way there is some lack of recognition. I think we may be adding another vet to the weakside in this area; even if it means cutting/trading Thomas Howard; whom I've dubbed the "new Napoleon Harris."

My point, if we're going to improve on the run defense, then we need to improve at the LB's/Safeties ability to stop the run.

On the O-Line side of the ball, a name to watch is Tyson Clabo (RT, ATL); Deuce Lutui (G, Ariz), Jared Gaither (LT/RT, Bal), and Chris Chester (G, Bal).

At WR, I'm excited about Chad Johnson being a possibility, I also think Sidney Rice (Min) and Steve Smith (NYG) would be valuable as well.

6:32 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Why would anyone be excited about the possibility of Ocho coming to Oakland? You want his show to be on local TV? The guy is way overrated, his ego is way over inflated and when Cincy was without the 2 clowns, they played much better. Palmer's admission of retirement or trade tells a lot about dealing with Ocho. Not pinning it all on Ocho, but.....Ocho's comments on Hue are Ocho's way of trying to keep his name in the news. The guy is all about himself = No Thanks. Al himself said he has had it with players like Ocho, forget about that clown.

Run Defense? CHANGE THE SCHEME, you can't complain about the D-line being the problem, look at the talent there. It's been the same story for DECADES, different players, different coaches, same results, figure it out for crying out loud.

As far as hitting that "button", you can see the crack in the armor when that button is hit. Mental stability is not one of his strong points, if there are any strong points, other than copy and paste.

JONES

8:05 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"It is what it is...This is what it has degenerated to..."

Yup and you are the worst offender, if you want to try and hit buttons, you better be ready for it back. You have been this way since the day I came on this board. Your crying of "I'm innocent" is shameful. If you want it to stop, just stop, obviously, you don't want it to stop. So the "woe is me" is HILARIOUS. It's like the guy who farts, the first to smell it, dealt it, that would be you, Jethro.

JONES

8:13 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The idea of bringing in a vet WR next year is laughable.

We needed a vet last year and the year before.

Right now, the Raiders WRs are healthier and have more experience than at any point over the past several years, hands down.

So if suddenly we sign a vet WR, that would be some seriously ass-backwards thinking on the part of management... even though DHB has been downgraded from "great" to "good."

8:18 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Let me ask you this...(I Don't/Won't Do It)...Would you appreciate me or anyone else posting such derogatory crap about your son your so proud of in your pic...I think NOT..."

Al is not your Dad, you are not related to him, he is the owner of a sports franchise. When you are owner of a sports franchise and basically control all of it's functions, you will be open for criticism. When there are many blunders and poor results with a lack of feeling for the fans, he will hear about it. You can PRETEND that you are his brother or son or whatever. That is just your weird way of trying to feel apart of it. You act out like you are side by side in that foxhole with Al and his bandaid. Got news for you, you AREN'T, you are just like the rest of us, FANS. So get off your charade of being the loyal boy to his god, it's ridiculous.

JONES

8:40 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"Run Defense? CHANGE THE SCHEME, you can't complain about the D-line being the problem, look at the talent there."
***********************************

Jones,

The Raiders play a 4 man front on defense.

The best run defenses stop the run at the point of attack.

The problem is not scheme, but rather the Raiders being too light in the ass in the middle of the D-line.

Look at the playoff teams. They have DT's weighing 330 lbs. 340, 350, and more.
Some teams have at least one big body, some have 2 or 3.

Tommy Kelly is a fine player. He had a very good season.

But Kelly is not a great run stopper. He cannot clog up the middle, or occupy 2 blockers.

The Raiders do not currently have any DT's that can do this.

Getting them should be a top priority this off season.

9:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

John Henderson is a run stopper. He played well when he was in there, and he will not be expensive to retain.

Seymour is not worth his weight if he can't stop the run, but he can.

So that's two major cogs. Kelly is a solid rotational player and improved tremendously last year after losing weight and listening to Seymour.

By and large, the guys up front held their positions.

The breakdowns, IMO, came from the LBs. McClain was green this year, and often engaged with blockers when he should have been going after the ball.

Groves was a liability at LB. Aside from like two good plays I can remember all year, this guy did nothing. Wimbley seems solid, but probably could have done more.

I believe we need depth across the board, but I still believe our weakness is at LB and scheme.

M2M DBs play with their back to the QB, and don't see the play develop as quickly as zone defenders.

This hurts the Raiders not only in making tackles (and preventing long runs), but turnovers as well.

IMO, these are the critical areas to address the run D.

9:56 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

One more thing, QB pressure with blitzing should be a core component of M2M defense.

If you're going to man-up, that frees guys to pressure the QB. Plus, playing man coverage is an art, and very difficult for even the best DBs. Plays need to be cut short to prevent breakdowns in coverage.

One thing the Raiders front four did exceptionally well this year is pressure the QB.

Assuming the Raiders are headed back to a more passive D of their recent past, we will need a comparable DL rotation to what we had in 2010... which means we need an upgrade at LB to stop the run.

Give us one mean SOB to play LB, and we will stop the run.

Like I said, McClain was green this year, but when he threw his weight around, people notice. That has to be more regular.

10:11 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"Give us one mean SOB to play LB, and we will stop the run."
**********************************


NYR, even Ray Lewis, during his best seasons, had Sam Adams, & Tony Seragusa up front.

That's about 750 lbs of human flesh.

Adams, & Seragusa occupied multiple blockers. They allowed Lewis to flow free, unblocked, into the gaps to tackle the ball carrier.

You say Mclain was to engaged with blockers. Well a FB shouldn't be able to block Mclain for long.

But if an 0-lineman is free to block Mclain, that's a mismatch in favor of the offense.

The point is, the more blockers the DT's can occupy, the more free the LB's will be to make plays.

I did not see Henderson, Kelly, or Seymour get double blocked much this season.

And this is why so many big runs popped right through the middle of the Raiders D.

10:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

Not too many teams in NFL history had a combination like Adams & Seragusa in their prime. Add Ray Lewis and it's lights out.

I agree we could use some depth on the DL, but I'm not sure how you think we can upgrade from Seymour and Co. Even his worst critics agree Kelly was solid this year, and the rotation with Henderson and Bryant was as good as the Raiders have had in a long time.

IMO, adding depth to this group is all we can expect.

As far as McClain, there were times I saw him run into the line to engage a blocker while the RB ran right through his MLB slot to make a big gain (and/or a TD).

McClain is responsible for the middle and needs to watch where the ball goes, not find the closet blocker to engage.

I have no doubt he will get better, and that, in itself, will help the run D.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Again, this argument happens EVERY offseason. Why can't the Raiders stop the run, well, there was Turdell and his fat ass, there was Grady Jackson and his fat ass who didn't do to bad once he left Oak. Ted Washington and his fat ass, Warren Sapp and his big mouth, Gerrard Warren and his fat ass. They have had fat asses.....Chester McGlockton,Jerry Ball, Russell Maryland on and on.


These players played for other teams and STUFFED the run, guess what happened when they played for Oakland? Same shit you are complaining about today. With a Pro Bowler, Seymour, and a fat assed Kelly who played close to Pro Bowl material this year. But, once again, we see teams, game after game, rip off huge runs at the worst times. Do you see that year after year on other teams? Why is that? It's the scheme, baby.

JONES

12:39 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

You can go back to Jack Tatum, he was the run stuffer when a RB came through. Ronnie Lott, he had two BIG yrs of being the leading tackler because he was the stuffer. In Al's scheme, the Strong Safety has to be a great tackler and able to plug the holes. If the SS is getting burned, like Huff, Gibson and the like, those huge runs will happen often. If there isn't a huge hitter that can read the plays fast enough to fill those holes, this is the scheme. A Safety like that has not been on the Raiders for YEARS. So when the d-line is forced to go man on man with little stunting, the Offense is going to take advantage. The MLB is usually on an island in the middle and will be blocked and now the RB is into the backfield in a HURRY. Now this is when that safety has to be there to stuff the run. It takes a guy who can read the hole and get there on time and make the HITS. Todays RB's are too big and too fast. The Blocking schemes are too good to just keep lining up one on one and expecting the run to be stuffed every play. This year we saw stunts, we saw more run blitzes and we saw more games when the run was shut down. But, those were the games when the coaches got yelled at and eventually fired cause the Boss doesn't like it. It's the scheme, silly.

JONES

12:54 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Jones,

You are correct about that list of DT's that failed in Oakland.

I guess I should be more clear though, that, not only do Raiders need some big bodies in middle, but they have to have some talent too.

You mentioned Turdell, lousy player. Warren, just ok. Mcglockton, & Darrell Russell, lazy as hell.

Washington, Sapp & Maryland, best days behind them.
Jerry Ball, & Leroi Glover, good players, but smallish.

And yeah, Grady Jackson had a good, long career, and Raiders let him go to soon.

But in a 4-3, or even a 3-4, D, you need someone to man the middle. I just don't see the Raiders having that dominant DT right now.

1:42 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

And Jones,

You say Tatum was the run stuffer. Fair enough.

But in the 1970's, 0-linemen were weighing in at about, what, 250 lbs ?, 260 ?

Sistrunk, Dave Pear, Dave Rowe, were more then capable of controling the middle of line of scrimmage.

Even in the 80's, Raiders had Reggie Kinlaw. A little tank, who was able to over power bigger centers.

Plus, Kinlaw played on line with Howie Long, who always took up 2, or 3 blockers.

Made life easy for everyone. It's big reason why Howie is in the hall of fame.

1:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Seymour takes 2, Kelly can take 2, back in those days, the RB's weren't as fast and powerful. Today, 230 lb backs running 4.4 40's, there aren't many Safety's who can consistently stop them. Teams of today that stuff the run, like you mentioned, you see them doing it with gang tackles. Watch the playoffs this yr, the running games are swarmed, they aren't individual tackles. Raiders scheme is more one on one and if someone isn't shedding a block, it usually means giving up a big run. Add to the fact that the SS isn't good enough to stuff the hole consistently, the scheme. I have stated earlier on here that with the talent on Defense that the Raiders have, put them in a Jets, Ravens, Steelers scheme, they would be a very good defense. When Marshall changed up the scheme some with stunts, blitzes, using some confusion, the Defense usually played well. Next year, it's back to the Rob Ryan/Al Davis type Defense, we all know how that goes.

JONES

2:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"..

Go screw yourself...Your not even fit to scrub the man's jock let alone be critical about his age and health...You continue to demonstrate your absolute stupidity in life and everything regarding football -n- the Raiders....

Throw your damn ass off that bridge!!!

And take that other "NetScum"with you...

2:43 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Total fascination with "SHIT" is very obvious!!!...

JONES said:

It's like the guy who farts, the first to smell it,


He smells something and gets excited???


they are now sliding down Al's shitrope


Who the hell would even imaging Al had one except some shit eatin pervert that's full of CRAP!!!...


Al just sat on my face again, thanks Al, maybe next time he could wipe his ass first.

JONES


Yup!!...Case closed!!!

It Written: "Out of the mouth the heart speaks"

Obviously all that's in that shit eatin bastard is Crap -n- more CRAP!!!....

Excretions of his perverted racially/religiously bigoted heart are prof everywhere...

May your god spike you LIAR!!!

3:00 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

And here we see Jethro showing what a great person he is and how he can't STOP. It is Jethro who continues to drive this site to stupidity, way to go, Jethro.

JONES

3:01 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Made life easy for everyone. It's big reason why Howie is in the hall of fame."

Funny you mention Howie, he wasn't a fat ass just trying to plug holes. He was ALWAYS going for the back or QB. Seymour fits that type, Kelly could easily take up 2 blockers to free the MLB, that's not their job though. Scheme and talent working together WORKS. Just pure talent and/or size in a scheme that is outdated, doesn't work. It's the scheme, it has been proven over time. Different coordinators, different players, same scheme = same results.

JONES

3:08 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jethro, in the words of Boxing lingo.....you have been outclassed, you don't belong in the same ring. Your mass posts that mean nothing and all your copy and pastes can't cover it up. You have been totally exposed as a lightweight. Now keep to the copy and paste and everything will be cool. If you want to continue with insults, you will be outclassed in that as well. In the immortal words of Eddie Futch to Joe Frazier after the 14th round in the Thrilla in Manila, "sit down son, it's over".

JONES

3:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Wisniewski joins coaching staff

WoW!...I hope we go after his son now too!!!...

The Raiders announced on their Twitter account that former Pro Bowl guard Steve Wisniewski has joined the coaching staff as an assistant offensive line coach.

Wisniewski was on the staff of former Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh last year as a strength and conditioning coach.



"NYR"...Did You Know???

M2M DBs play with their back to the QB, and don't see the play develop as quickly as zone defenders.

This hurts the Raiders not only in making tackles (and preventing long runs), but turnovers as well.

Now what type of coverage does "GB" play...



Raider00....

Mcglockton, & Darrell Russell, lazy as hell.

Go back and check the run "D" when they played...Shell I was coach than Mike White...

1996....
"D"-#8
Rush-#15
Rush Scoring #5
Pass-#7

1995...
"D"-#11
Rush-#17
Pass-#10

1994...
"D"-#10
Rush-#9
Pass-#14

1993...
"D"-#9
Rush-#20
Pass-#5

1992...Chester was drafted 1st rd
"D"-#9
Rush-#12
Pass-#10

Don't believe anything that punks ass LIAR posts...He continually post fabricated LIES as Bogas as all hell to try and support his ridicules arguments about the scheme...He doesn't even understand what the hell a Scheme is for crying out loud!!!...

PantyRaider...Expose The LIES Of The LIARS!!!/_

3:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Step Up BITCH!!!...And It's Over Before Your Ass Clears The PottyChair!!!

3:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

COWARD!!!!

3:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Titans and Fisher part ways

Jeff Fisher, who had one year left on his contract, will no longer be head coach in Tennessee

WoW!!...Wait til there are no jobs left and than tell him he's fired...

Will "SD" now consider running Turner to add him???...

Or will he interview as "DC"!!!...



Rep expects ex-Giant Burress to be playing in NFL next season

Will Plaxico Burress follow in Michael Vick's footsteps, going from Pro Bowl-caliber player to incarcerated and back to star?

"I am not afraid to make the following prediction; Plaxico Burress will be playing in 2011. And he will play very well," Rosenhaus said, via The New York Post. "And it will be a very happy ending to a very tough, tough story for him."

PantyRaider...Still Pimping My Boy "GunDumb"...

4:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Correction: Should Have read...

What type of coverage do the Jets run...NOT "GB"...My Bad!!..

At least from a defensive secondary standpoint Thurman would seem to be a philosophical match given how the Ravens/Jets/RexRyan defense utilizes man coverage on the outsides and a lot of 1-high safety.


So Old Rex Ryan who is noted as a top "DC" runs that old outdated Al Davis Scheme...

How very interesting...Now I don't hear anyone bashing the owners of the Ravens -n- Jets for this...

PantyRaider...Just Love Exposing The Stupidity Of The LIAR!!!/_

4:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now with a new "HC" vacancy I wonder who will interview for that job...Could more follow...

Possible addition by subtraction if they go after a "Jag" Coach or one from Indy...But maybe the "Jets" or "GB" are also targets...Not to mention "Pitts"...

As long as they don't get in our way it's all Kool!!!....

PantyRaider...In A Season Of Such Turmoil No Doubt More To Follow!!!/_

4:38 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Jones,

Howie Long played at about 285 lbs.

But even in Howie's day, there weren't too many 0-linemen over 300 lbs.

And Howie was strong, quick, and had great balance. I remember a 1984 game against Miami where Long was not knocked off his feet even once. And he spent a lot of time in Miami's backfield.

I still say, lets try the Raiders scheme with the big run stuffers in the middle.
I think we'd see a big difference.

PR,

Well, other then 1994, it looks like Raiders run D was middle of the pack.

No doubt Mcglockton, & Russell had ability. But they were well known for taking many plays, and games off.

They both had the talent to be great. Unfortunately, they spent much of their time, not seeming to care.

8:30 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I still say, lets try the Raiders scheme with the big run stuffers in the middle."

I just gave you the names to "big run stuffers" in the Raider scheme. We have seen, don't know about yourself, what happens with the combo, results speak for themselves.

I say, keep the talent the Raiders have now and CHANGE THE SCHEME, please, bring in a good DC who uses confusion instead of simplicity. Technique with athleticism instead of relying on being athletically superior. Coaches that formulate the gameplans to take advantage of the talent they have, instead of having the players conform to a certain system.

Nnamdi is wasted out on that corner, MLB is always on an island. Deep safety is in never land. The other corner gets burned deep at least 2x's a game....put the players in best position to make plays, does the Raider scheme do this? IMO, no. BUT, Marshall did do some of what I mentioned and they had some success with it, do it all the time, forever changing up, never being predictable. It goes a long way in WINNING.

JONES

9:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Jones:

Agree 100% on your last post. Unfortunately, until a DC has the full authority on personnel, scheme, packages, etc. we are hoping for elite athletes who win 1x1 battles the majority of the time and an offense that is prolific.

The vast majority of the current NFL teams incorporate zone coverage on a regular, effective basis.

Even teams who are known for M2M (Jets, Packers) use a healthy dose of zone, disguised coverages, and a complex, ever-changing defensive stance.

The reality of the Raiders situation, and Nnamdi has voiced this countless times, is that we don't practice zone enough in camp and practices to be good at it. Hence, the predictability of our defense.

In essence, we need to to 11 above average, athletic defenders who constantly execute their assignment to perfection.

9:32 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

CJ, we agree, I would like to see a change in Defensive philosophy. I can appreciate the uniqueness of the Raider scheme, but it just isn't the way. I loved it back in the day with Haynes and Hayes, Thomas and Brown, even Woodson and that guy from Philly (his name escapes me right now), I'm getting old too. But, with all teams being close to equal in the athletic part and mental part, it takes more than a basic Defense to win. This is why I say that it won't work, sooner or later it breaks down....so, you think Saunders can bring much to the table?

JONES

10:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As Nnamdi has said, the Raiders play defense ONE WAY... against every team. Raiders defense (scheme) is a one-trick pony.

They are loaded with talent right now. Most NFL teams are not as talented all around on D as the Raiders are. We have proven that we can bring in the best and most expensive players in the league and still not perform.

The rotation of Seymour, Kelly, Henderson and Bryant, with the occassional move inside by Houston is as good as any team right now.

What team(s) has a better DL rotation.

McClain and Wimbley at LB, while perhaps not great, are solid players.

Huff had a career year, and there is a lot of young talent at safety.

Nnamdi is the best at his position, and Routt was statistically the BEST CB in the NFL this year.

Top to bottom, this defense is very talented.

Q: So what gives? A: Scheme!

5:03 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said:

"NYR"..

"Go screw yourself...Your not even fit to scrub the man's jock let alone be critical about his age and health...You continue to demonstrate your absolute stupidity in life and everything regarding football -n- the Raiders...."

This is what I get for making it clear that I was posting my opinion.

One rule for the man-child.

PR bitches and moans about everything (not just comments made here), then calls others "criers."

Jason Campbell was labeled "JustCrap" by PR over and over. Personally, I find that offensive. Campbell was hand picked and repeatedly endorsed by Al Davis, but PR labels him "crap". He actually played well and helped lead the Raiders to their most lopsided wins in franchise history.

One rule for the man-child!

You continue to expose yourself as the loser you are. Stop bitching about everything. Accept the fact that some people may find criticism in a team that hasn't won in almost a decade and that the team’s owner refuses to acknowledge the modern era of professional football. Get a clue. It's valid and it's real.

The dialog here (outside of yours’) is a microcosm of what Raider fans around the world are discussing. But for some reason, you feel you need to impose yourself as absolute dictator of the exchange here.

One rule for the man-child!

5:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said:

"NYR"...Did You Know???

"Now what type of coverage does "GB" play..."

Now this I can respond to. It's actually a valid point. I think CJ already answered it by suggesting that while GB does play a lot of M2M, they do a far better job of mixing it up and diguising their formations.

I would add that Woodson was "ok" while he played M2M with the Raiders, but he is All-World in GB's defense. Why is that?

5:33 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Nnamdi is the best at his position, and Routt was statistically the BEST CB in the NFL this year.
>>>>>

I love statistics as much as anyone, but if this is even close to being true, it just exemplifies how much statistics can lie.

6:38 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>

The vast majority of the current NFL teams incorporate zone coverage on a regular, effective basis.
>>>>

Zone requires instincts and anticipation... something our secondary is horrible at.

If anyone thinks the reason the defense sucked at times last season was because we didn't play enough zone is watching a different game than I am. It almost always allowed either a TD or, at best, a first down.



>>>>
Even teams who are known for M2M (Jets, Packers) use a healthy dose of zone, disguised coverages, and a complex, ever-changing defensive stance.
>>>>

And yet the Giants won a SB recently with a very similar defense as the Raiders... about as straight up and vanilla as it comes.

They are almost always a top 10-15 defense.

I do agree that Marshall needed to change things up more (although he was miles above SOBs schemes (or lack thereof)) I rarely remember seeing a secondary player fake a blitz fer instance. Peyton Manning played a horrible game and still won simply because every time we showed blitz we blitzed. He beat the blitz just enough times to win.

These things need to be fixed.

6:52 AM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

For the 4-3 base we run, here are several teams that run similar defenses and what their LBs and Safeties have done:

Bears (#2 Rush Defense, #9 Overall)
WOLB-Lance Briggs: 89 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 FF, 2 Int
SOLB-Pisa Tinoisamoa: 40 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 FF
MLB-Brian Urlacher: 125 Tackles, 4 Sacks, 2 FF, 1 Int
SS-Danieal Manning: 72 Tackles, 1 Int
FS-Chris Harris: 70 Tackles, 5 Int

Giants (#8 Rush, #7 Overall):
SOLB-Keith Bulluck: 31 Tackles, 2 Int
WOLB-Michael Boley: 86 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 FF
MLB-Jonathan Goff: 80 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 FF
SS-Kenny Phillips: 77 Tackles, 1 Int
FS-Antrel Rolle: 87 Tackles, 1/2 Sack, 1 FF, 1 Int

Falcons (#10 Rush, #16 Overall):
SOLB-Sean Witherspoon: 42 Tackles, 1 Sack
WOLB-Mike Peterson: 59 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 FF, 2 Int
MLB-Curtis Lofton: 118 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 3 FF, 1 Int
SS-William Moore: 72 Tackles, 1 FF, 5 Int
FS-Thomas DeCoud: 74 Tackles, 2 FF, 1 Int

Texans (#13 Rush, #30 overall; very comparable to Raiders):
SOLB-Brian Cushing: 76 Tackles, 1.5 Sacks, 1 FF
WOLB-Zac Diles: 82 Tackles
MLB-Kevin Bentley: 55 Tackles, 1 Int
SS-Bernard Pollard: 111 Tackles, 2.5 Sacks, 4 FF
FS-Eugene Wilson: 56 Tackles

Our Oakland Raiders (#29 Rush, #11 Overall):
SOLB-Kamerion Wimberly: 58 Tackles, 9 Sacks, 1 FF
Travis Goethel: 9 Tackles
WOLB-Quentin Groves: 40 Tackles, 1 Int
Thomas Howard: 9 Tackles, 1 FF
MLB-Rolando McClain: 85 Tackles, .5 Sacks, 1 Int
SS-Tyvon Branch: 104 Tackles, 4 Sacks, 1 FF, 1 Int
FS-Mike Huff: 94 Tackles, 4 Sacks, 3 FF, 3 Int

As you can see, when your OLB's are not making 60+ tackles, it forces your safeties to step up and make plays. The tackles come from stopping the run. If you look at the Bears and Giants you want to try and keep your safeties down to low 70's and high 60's in tackles. The reason why Antrell Rolle of the Giants had 87 Tackles is because of the lack of tackling by Keith Bulluck.

The Raiders' Safeties had extremely high #'s in tackling due to the weak #'s produced by our Strong and Weak side Linebackers' lack of getting to the run gap. Seeing some video of games, they are quick to drop into pass coverage, and not to stop the run. You have to commit to stop the run, and our OLBs don't. It makes it awful hard on a defense when your outsided Linebackers aren't there to plug the holes. I think this is where Winston Moss will come in and help.

7:33 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's a quote from Jackson that clouds things up a little in terms of who's calling the shots.

"Everybody always says that everything is done by (Davis)," Jackson told Sirius. "That's not true. I'm hiring this (coaching) staff. He made me the head coach of this team and said, 'Hue, let's go.'

"Obviously, I bounce everything off of him. Why wouldn't I? This is his team. But he doesn't sit there and rule everything with an iron-clad fist. The guy runs a draft as well as anyone I've ever seen. This guy knows football. To not use him as a resource would not be very smart on my part."

IMO, this means Jackson is still in his honeymoon stage.

Let's hope he doesn't do anything to have his pay withheld or his boss stop talking to him while he builds a case against him.

8:36 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's actually pretty funny that in the same day that Jackson tells the media he calls the shots, the Raiders bring back Steve Wisniewski to be an assistant line coach.

The notion that Jackson in making decisions while former Raider players line up for jobs is contradictory.

I hope "Wiz" is better qualified than Jackie Slater was.

8:54 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

Point taken...

But even middle of the pack we were a top 10 "D" most of the time...The weakness against the run is a recent problem and not a life long problem with the Scheme as the LIES would have us believe...That's why I don't take anything at his word...There is NO reliability in him at all...


RaiderNate75...

ThankYou for the intelligent discourse...

Add to that that Marshall was consistently switching to the Zone inside the 20 which led to numerous scores from big plays while the big plays were diminished while playing M2M between the 20's...

Clarification: Big plays due to "D" Breakdown...Obviously there are NO 40yd plays inside the 20...Big plays are NOT just measured by the yardage but also by the points -n- trickery...


"CJ"....

Things were disguised better this season than in the recent past but still not well enough...Our "D" was also much less predictable also but definitely still needs improvement...

That's why I was calling for a new "DC" way before the season ended...Now everyone seems on board with the idea...Funny because back when I was being bashed for the idea and pimping it so much...My!!...How Some eventually come around....

PantyRaider...Don't Pursue What's Popular But What's Practical!!!/_

11:30 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

It's now very obvious that your parents failed to instill respect for the elderly and the disabled in your heart...That's very evident by your pointed attacks on the aged appearance of Mr Davis of whom your not fit to compare yourself...

This was NOT the 1st (the corpse)
----------------------------------
I have an opinion regarding the bandage on Davis head during the press conference.

The bandage is a symbol of the man's frailty, and his impending inability to handle the physical demands of an extremely demanding job. It's also indicative of the state of the Raiders, which is severely wounded by years of ineptitude.

So it’s time (actually, past time) for the man to step aside and tend to his health, while other more physically capable persons of his choosing tackle (pun intended) the demanding and critical jobs in the organization that he insanely refuses to properly delegate to others.
----------------------------------

You are a disgrace to anyone who ever attempted to give you proper upbringing...You and your putrid "Shadow" alike...Great company you keep...Should do your ___________ very proud!!!...


There is a far cry from that and my referring to a less than 30 year old "QB" as "JustCrap"...If you don't get that by now you never will....

PantyRaider...Listing It As "Opinion" To Disguise It Doesn't Work!!!/_

11:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well!!...It appears an Owner can have the President and a "GM" and a long term "HC" with authority to hire his own staff and still have total meltdowns like this one...
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Fisher, Titans cite differences; coach says it's 'Time to move on'

he and the team arrived at a point where it was time to move on.

Fisher worked out an agreement with owner Adams this week that will net Fisher $8 million in severance to leave the organization.

"I haven't thought about my future beyond this afternoon."

I believe in (Titans executive vice president) Steve Underwood and (general manager) Mike Reinfeldt to find our next head coach."

Underwood, who plans to retire after this summer, acknowledged that the team and Fisher had "differences that we could not resolve," but refused to go into specifics.

La Canfora reported that Fisher's departure was hastened by a series of events, none more significant than the team's refusal to hire his son, Brandon, according to league sources.

With Fisher gone, offensive line coach Mike Munchak is a strong internal candidate to replace him, with Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams a strong outside candidate, La Canfora's sources said.

So Ya!!!...The "OldMan" is the only one who has problems in the sports world...Right!!!...

PantyRaider...Take Off Those Blinders!!!!/_

11:59 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders Linebacker Shot at in Hometown

An Oakland Raiders linebacker was shot at while visiting his hometown in Alabama.

Thursday evening around 6:30, officers responded to a location after reports of shots fired.

Originally they didn't find a victim or any scene. A short time later Rolando McClain called cops to report shots were fired at his SUV.

McClain said there was a group of people standing on a corner, and one of them started shooting at his SUV. Investigators found one round stuck in the rear hatch of McClain's Chevrolet Tahoe. The bullet did not hit any of the passengers inside.


WoW!!...Now that really SUCKS!!!...

Gutless dose not even begin to describe punks like that...What ever happened to the will to stand Toe-to-Toe....Oh! Ya!...

Cowards got NO gonads!!!...

PantyRaider...Punks Are Gutless...Ya! They Are!!!/_

12:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

So I see you have chosen to follow a path of reasonable discourse and Raider football dialogue.

Your rhetoric is totally pathetic and laughable. You have no idea what you're saying.

Your comments regarding Jason Campbell are a direct insult to the man you worship with your every breath, yet you're too D.U.M. to realize it.

Al Davis has repeatedly endorsed Jason Campbell, first by trading for him, then comparing him to Jim Plunkett, and again recently at the presser for Hue Jackson... again saying he is much like a young Jim Plunkett.

Yet, you have gone out of your way to make it clear that Jason Campbell is a piece of "CRAP".

You can't hide. Your repeated vicious attacks on Jason Campbell are attacks on Al Davis and his professional integrity. Who are you to know more about Jason Campbell than Al Davis?

You come here to bash other posters and their opinions (like you're the only one entitled to his own). You know nothing about Raiders football, and you constantly disrespect the very institution that you think you are a part of, then point your finger at others.

You are a hypocrite and a fraud.

12:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

You know nothing about Raiders football, and you constantly disrespect the very institution that you think you are a part of, then point your finger at others.


How did you pull that one out of your ass...

Tell us "NYR" about you football knowledge...

"NYR"..It's the Scheme...

What Scheme...

"NYR"..M2M...

How is that defined as "Scheme"...

"NYR"...It's always been Al's stupid Scheme...

Who else runs it...

"NYR"...They do it right but Al's is wrong...

How is it wrong...

"NYR"...The "CB" has his back to the "QB"/"RB"...

What is different about the other teams who run it...

"NYR"...They do it right...

How is that...Do they run backwards down the filed so they can look at the "QB"/"RB"...

"NYR"..They disguise it...

Disguise it how...

"NYR"...They do it right...


Now that is the line of stupidity that you and your shadow are attempting to sell on this board...

And I'm to believe you know something...Right!!!...

PantyRaider...Pull That Crayon Out Of Your Ass And Try Again!!!/_

12:30 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Football "101" for the stupid:

http://www.footballbabble.com/football/defense/plays/more/

Simply because you know nothing of what you speak and need to get educated...

Can you see the difference between:

#1....Defensive Schemes

.............-n-

#2....Coverage Schemes

.............Yet

Prolley NOT!!!...Because you and your "Shadow" are just too damn stupid and just want to argue that Al's "Scheme" is wrong......

PantyRaider...Ignorance Beyond Bliss!!!/_

12:51 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

Again, your posts make no sense. What exactly am I to reply to?

Listen, it's been a topic of debate on this board for several years.

Scheme (and/or coaching) v. Players

The Raiders have now assembled a very talented group of veteran and young defensive players. Do you deny that? Yet, they still can't stop the run.

Raider00 thinks we need to add beef to the DL. While I don't necessarily agree, his point is valid and probably shared by many Raiders fans.

Jones leans more to scheme as being the primary problem. It’s pretty well-known that the Raiders have long-played a M2M defense with single deep safety, having very few variances in their playbook. Gary will tell you the Raider defenders are inept at zone coverage.

I essentially believe Jones is right, but I also tend to acquiesce to the notion that scheme will not change (as long as Davis is GM). So I put my 2 cents in by saying if we improve at LB (add a mean SOB) we might have something.

This is where we left off when you sent this discussion astray.

Would you like a redo? We can restart from here. I really prefer not to get into the B.S. exchanges with you. I am perfectly ok with you disagreeing with anything I post. Let’s stick to the discussion.

1:32 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Gary will tell you the Raider defenders are inept at zone coverage.
>>>>

Not only that... when you have a premier cover corner like Asum... if you play zone, many times he breaks off coverage thinking someone else has the receiver and we let their number ONE guy score a TD because Branch or Huff (or some other idiot) was watching the Raiderettes.

It makes no sense.

If Asum isn't resigned, sure... lets get those 2 or 3 other players that Al talked about, and play some zone.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
nyraider said...

It's actually pretty funny that in the same day that Jackson tells the media he calls the shots, the Raiders bring back Steve Wisniewski to be an assistant line coach.
>>>>

I can only imagine what you would have said if Harbaugh had taken him along to SF.

"CRAZY AL CANT EVEN HIRE HIS EX-PLAYERS!!"

4:44 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYR, Jones, CJ,


I'm not sure what M2M vs zone in the secondary, has to do with the size of the middle of the Raiders D-linemen ?

I mean, we're talking about stopping the run, right ?

Once a back is in the secondary, the D has pretty much yielded a 5 yard, or more gain anyway.

When you guys say, "change the scheme", do you mean switching from a 4-3, to a 3-4 D ?

5:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Wiz was OBVIOUSLY Davis' hire and I applaud it as a sound move.

Some of you have this inexplicable urge to want to make everything so simple "all or nothing", "black or white", "right or wrong" etc.

The reality is that there are many shades of grey.

Jackson is never going to be able to hand pick his entire staff w/o getting Davis approval on the hire.

At the same time, Davis shouldn't jam coaches down Jackson's throats w/o Jackson's input.

Jackson and Davis need to work in partnership to identify and recruit the best possible staff for this team, at this moment in time, that are the best possible fit for the Raiders organization.

As far as defensive schemes, personnel, etc ...

My view is that you start with a basic philosophy or foundation and build on it by adding wrinkles, variations, and layers of complexities.

A dynamic D is a unit that disguises formations and intent, creates opportunities for playmakers, keeps the offense on their heels, can adapt to different opponents strengths and weaknesses.

Zone coverage should be a very basic element or staple to ANY good defense. Zone coverage should be worked on throughout camp, pre-season, during in-season practices.

Even a team that uses M2M as their "base" D should be proficient at playing zone. The fact that the Raiders D has given up big plays when using zone is in direct correlation to the amount of time spent working on it.

DBacks who are good athletes and good football players are more than capable of playing M2M AND Zone.

If you look at the Packers and Steelers defenses, a few things jump out to me:

Both Defenses use every possible tool in the defensive tool belt. Capers and LeBeau are excellent at creating aggressive game plans that takes full advantage of players like Matthews, Woodson, Palomalu, Harrison to make game altering plays. Both use exotic blitz schemes including zone blitzes to aggressively put pressure on the QB.

5:27 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Jackson and Davis need to work in partnership to identify and recruit the best possible staff for this team, at this moment in time, that are the best possible fit for the Raiders organization"

Good post CJ, only, this is the whole problem. That "moment in time" you talk of, doesn't last long, huh? That's what is disappointing about Cable and Marshall, it was almost 3 yrs of what we thought was "working together". Working together in Al's world means "you listen, I speak", it's not a lasting formula.

When has Al Davis REALLY had so much of respect for his HC that he worked with him? All of Al'S HC's have worked for him, not with him. Why would he start now? Cause Hue is such a rising star?

Cable represented that glimmer of hope that Al was going to work WITH and not as an adversary, it was moving forward, now it is clear that it is still " I talk, you listen", it's disheartening. It's not a winning formula.

Your explanation of scheme is good, I have written it about 10 times and 00 asks what it means...???? That panty fever can spread ya know.

JONES

7:12 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Jones -

The only way that the Jackson/Davis relationship has a chance to work and thrive is if all the following conditions are met:

(1) There is mutual respect. I know you don't want to hear it but clearly Davis did not respect Cable primarily due to the numerous domestic abuse charges.

(2) Jackson puts the Raiders in the playoffs sooner rather than later. 8-8 is merely a baseline for year 1.

(3) Jackson doesn't put himself in the spotlight if/when the Raiders have success but takes a backseat to the credit by praising the players, coaching staff, and Davis.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I know you don't want to hear it but clearly Davis did not respect Cable primarily due to the numerous domestic abuse charges."

Don't agree and it has nothing to do with "what I want to hear", that is "crew" talk. Al stands behind guys who have had personal problems. Al didn't respect Cable because Cable went against what Al wants. Just like Al never respected Kiffin,Turner,Shell,Gruden,Bugel, White, you could even make the case for Flores and Madden. Al probably doesn't even like his HC's, he has a history of loathing them, seeing as he considers himself to be the HC.

Spreading rumors of Cable's private life as the reason that Al canned Cable is "crew" like as well.....you are back on that fence.

JONES

8:51 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

This is why Davis should name himself HC.

He can't work well with middlemen; namely, a GM or a HC. He is a micro-manager who, when he doesn’t get his way, hides in a legal office reviewing a contract that gives him absolute power to withhold pay and terminate “for cause.”

If he had any respect for HCs, he’d hire a proven one and give him a coach’s authority, without prejudice and without all the contractual bases for cause. He certainly wouldn’t air a coach’s dirty laundry in an unnecessary public display.

Davis is vindictive by nature. He can fire an underperforming HC anytime he wants. Instead, he chooses to operate under a veil of complex legalese while he patiently builds a case against his coach with whom he can no longer work.

As I said before, Jackson will have to be the exception to avoid falling victim to the rule.

6:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

You make it sound like the Raiders DL is regularly giving up big plays. That’s not true. For the most part, they are stout against the run. It’s the infrequent play that a RB gets by and races for long gain or into the end-zone.

Remember Kelly saying “stop stop boom!” or something like that?

In most games, if the Raiders eliminate one or two plays, their run D stats are solid.

This is why more zone may help. Zone allows players to react quicker because they see the play develop and swarm to the ball.

In man coverage, DBs are still racing down field with their assignment when the play has already hit top speed.

So for the few plays that break the Raiders back, maybe they could reduce the bleeding by reacting quicker in the secondary, even prevent the occasional long TD run.

7:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

Nice!!...Very good job of denying the reality of what provoked this exchange...

For the record:

You were trying to provoke some stupid argument and I refused to get involved in that worthlessness...

I than posted a reply to "X" regarding his depicting of Al's head wounds...

"X" replied in a very respectful manner and that was that...

Than you posted this disgusting CRAP in reply:
---------------------------------
I have an opinion regarding the bandage on Davis head during the press conference.

The bandage is a symbol of the man's frailty, and his impending inability to handle the physical demands of an extremely demanding job. It's also indicative of the state of the Raiders, which is severely wounded by years of ineptitude.

So it’s time (actually, past time) for the man to step aside and tend to his health, while other more physically capable persons of his choosing tackle (pun intended) the demanding and critical jobs in the organization that he insanely refuses to properly delegate to others.
----------------------------------
I than told you to "Fuck Off"...

Your followup was regarding my lack of mental powers as if you have a capable mind...

I challenged you and you were unable to sustain any vague resemblance of Football mentality or anything else...

Now that's where it stands...
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So now going beyond that:

"Scheme"...M2M...

Questions:

#1...How many players on any given play would have their backs to the "QB"/"RB" -n- when???

#2...On any given play how many players would be on an "Island" and what does that terminology denote???

#3...Explain M2M and note the players involved???

#4...This "Coverage Scheme" has been very successful in the past and is also now as the #3 "D" against the pass...Also other teams who employ it are very successful as well...As noted we have talented players...

So than....What specifically is wrong with this "Coverage Scheme" that translates to being bad against the run????

#5...Explain why the "M2M single deep S" would be poor against the run when the other "S"s primary responsibility is to check the run 1st and "TE"/"RB" as a receiver 2nd or 3rd "WR" in pattern????

Now "NYR"...If you can get thew all 5 questions with reasonable research and answers than you may answer some of your own question instead of constantly misapplying the comments of a damn "Mediot"...

I doubt you will make much of an effort...

PantyRaider...Give It A Try...You May Be Amazed At What You Learn!!!/_

11:17 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Eagles want to interview Packers assistant Perry

The Philadelphia Eagles are pursuing Green Bay Packers safeties coach Darren Perry for their defensive coordinator opening,

WoW!!!...If we go after Winston Moss and they go after Darren Perry the "Pack" is being hit very hard...There are no draft compensations for loosing your coaches...It's only a loss with no possible gains...Look how it affected "AZ" after they lost their "OC" to "KC"...But than Baltimore continued to rumble after losing their "DC"...



"CJ"...

A few notes from your "Scheme" post that I question...Please explain...

#1...A dynamic D is a unit that disguises formations

How can you do that...


#2...Zone coverage should be a very basic element or staple to ANY good defense.

The same should be said than about "M2M" being a staple of any good "Coverage Scheme" but how many teams even attempt it...


#3...Even a team that uses M2M as their "base" D should be proficient at playing zone.

How does "M2M" become the "Base D" and how would you implement such contrasting philosophies efectively into a very young core of "DB"s such as we had this past season...


#4...DBacks who are good athletes and good football players are more than capable of playing M2M AND Zone.

My understanding is the basic skill packages between the two schemes require a different set of physical abilities to run it effectively...You apparently disagree...Why!!!...

"M2M" usually requires exultant Speed/Size/Physical Strength/Balance/Leaping Ability/Awareness/Vision....Some of these take a long time to develop while some qualities just have to be there from the start...

PantyRaider...I Would Say It Should Be Easier For A "M2M" Coverage "CB" To Adapt To The Zone Than The Other Way Around!!!/_

Joe Haden "CB" Rookie under "SOB"

5'11" 193#s -w- Speed....

64 tckls...1 Sck...1 FF....6 Ints...

Excelled at "M2M" in college...

12:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders also interested in Perry

Eagles are interested in Green Bay safeties coach Darren Perry as a candidate for defensive cooridnator, even intimating there could already be an offer extended behind the scenes.

I’m hearing the Raiders are interested in talking to Perry about the the same vacancy. Perry was the Raiders secondary coach in 2007 and 2008 and a defensive backs coach for Pittsburgh in 2004-06. He has not been a coordinator in the NFL and his level of interest in rejoining the Raiders is not known.

The Raiders have already spoken to former defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan, but my understanding is if he rejoins the club, it will be as linebackers coach, replacing Mike Haluchak.


Interesting!!!...And I was projecting Winston Moss all along...

PantyRaider...What Does A "Mediot" Know!!!/_

12:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Some of you who pimp the "Zone Coverage Scheme" while at the same time complaining about our run "D" are a little "Football Confused"...

Case in point:

We gashed the NFL to the tune of being the #2 Rushing team in the NFL and we did it without establishing a dominate passing attack so NO!!!...Teams were NOT afraid of "JC"...

We accomplished that feat against the "Zone" while using our "WR"s to stretch the field deep and than becoming very efficient down field blockers for the "RB"s...

We also threw to the "RB"s regularly to the tune of them becoming the leading receivers in our "O" as a core...

And we did that all against the "Zone"...

Granted there were 4 teams we failed to run well against..."SF"/"Pitts"/Miami/"Indy"...Now why???

Did they "M2M" up on us with a single deep "S"???...

Did they stack the box???...

Did they have the beef in the middle and great "DL" play????

Did they have great play from the "LB"s???

Did they disguise their "Scheme"???


I will post that 3/4 were our own damn fault...We failed to go after them with the run and dominate at the point of attack but instead tried to win those games threw the air and failed miserably...Those 3 were very winnable games and we left those "V"s on the field...

"SF" should NOT have been a contest...Hands down we should have dominated...

Miami was so banged up it was inexcusable the way we failed to play them well...

"Indy" was weak against the run but strong against the pass but we elected to abandon what worked well for us and throw the ball into the teeth of their "D"....The "Zone"...

Pure Stupidity!!!...

Only one team on our schedule was so dominate on "D" that running the ball should have been a problem..."Pitts"!!!...

Our running game could rip threw most every "Zone Coverage Scheme" in the country...But that's the "Coverage Scheme" that's being pimp here as the way to stop the run???....

PantyRaider....Go Figure!!!/_

Now who did "KC" play and they ripped them as well....The "ZONE"!!!....But!!...Did they rip us???...

1:27 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"CJ"...

A few notes from your "Scheme" post that I question...Please explain...

#1...A dynamic D is a unit that disguises formations

How can you do that...

CJ:

Delayed blitzes from different angles from different players; zone blitz where DL drop back in coverage; showing M2M coverage and going to zone and vice-versa; by where you position the players on the field ...

#2...Zone coverage should be a very basic element or staple to ANY good defense.

The same should be said than about "M2M" being a staple of any good "Coverage Scheme" but how many teams even attempt it...

CJ:

All NFL teams have a mix between zone coverage and M2M coverage. Some teams use zone as their base D and a few use M2M as their base D. The question is the % of the mix and when you deploy M2M or Zone coverage depending on personnel groupings, down and distance, opponent, etc.

#3...Even a team that uses M2M as their "base" D should be proficient at playing zone.

How does "M2M" become the "Base D" and how would you implement such contrasting philosophies efectively into a very young core of "DB"s such as we had this past season...

CJ:

M2M is your base "D" if you are using it the majority of the snaps in pass coverage.

The basic concepts of pass coverage (Zone and M2M) have practiced for numerous years by DBs BEFORE even getting to the NFL. M2M is tight 1x1 coverage. Zone is playing a certain area of the field. These concepts are not rocket science. The argument that "young" DBs are incapable of playing these 2 basic coverage schemes is ridiculous.


#4...DBacks who are good athletes and good football players are more than capable of playing M2M AND Zone.

My understanding is the basic skill packages between the two schemes require a different set of physical abilities to run it effectively...You apparently disagree...Why!!!...

One can reasonably make the argument that it is more difficult to play M2M than zone. Regardless of which philosophy you believe in or have the personnel to run, my point all along is that an effective D uses BOTH zone and M2M.

2:06 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYR, Jones, CJ,


In terms of stopping the run, I'd like you guys to ask yourselves a question.

Could Seymour, or Kelly replace Hampton, or Raji, in their teams respective schemes ?

Seymour is listed at 310 lbs. Kelly 300 lbs.

Hampton is 325 lbs. Raji, 335 lbs.

Now, I know it's not just weight. You've got to be able to be a good player too, as Hampton, & Raji are.

But the weight difference does matter. I just think, while Seymour, & Kelly are good players, that they get pushed around a bit too much by bigger 0-linemen.

And they do not command double blocks. They can be single blocked, which frees up other blockers to engage LB's, and DB's past the line of scrimmage.

Raiders need someone along the D-line that can consistantly occupy 2 blockers. We just don't have that right now.

3:40 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00...

What you speak of is the "Bull Rusher" who can collapse the pocket and is also strong against the run....Get that dynamic push up the middle that forces everything to go outside and is there about the time a hand off is made so he changes the "RB"s direction and takes away his momentum/speed....

Once the pocket is collapsed the "QB" must scramble to keep the play alive and is in jeopardy from the other defenders...He has trouble maintaining timing with his receivers as a result...Now the whole "O" gameplan has to be modified to make everything happen much more quickly with shortened patterns...That greatly benefits the "D" as they can crowd the box and only keep one "S" deep to protect against a long pass attempt...

Yes...He will tie up 2/3 blockers continually in the middle of the "OL" or assistance from the "FB" thus eliminating that player from the "O"s game plan...

In times past when we didn't have a single huge pocket crusher we got the job done with 2 very dynamic rushers who could not be blocked one on one like when Howie and Alzado played together...

Chester -n- Daryl were good when motivated...Just not consistent...

That type of pressure made everyone's job easier and forced "QB"s into making huge mistakes...

I agree we don't have that now...Only half the equation with Seymour but Kelly got allot of opportunities and sacks off what was set up by other players on our "DL"....The "DE"s played much better...

So here I am pimping an old desire and one who will most likely be available again...Had we gotten him last off season in our 4-3 we would have had the force you speak off in the middle...When motivated he's a force to be reckoned with...

Albert Hainsworth...That's the big powerful body of which you speak...

PantyRaider...My Big Boy Could Get It Done!!!/_

11:30 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"....

I understand what your posting about in disguising intentions but I don't think stunts and such will disguise the actual "Defensive Scheme"....

Everyone knows what you play in...Tapes are gone over and over as the season progresses...Just like in "Pitts" we all know what scheme they play in...When players come on the field you know how many "DT"s -n- "DE"s are in the game as well as "LB"s and what they can do...

The word here that comes to mind is "Anticipation"...That's why I was pimping a new "DC" in OakTown...Not because the Scheme was a failure or the implementation of that scheme but the game time anticipation was NOT consistent at all...

Marshall makes the calls and sends them into "DeathRo" who also makes some calls like audibles by what he sees...If the "D" is anticipating run and acts accordingly but it's Play Action Pass than we are in make-up mode after recognition instead of just bringing it right off the snap of the ball...

I tell you I watched a few games where it seemed our "D" was guessing wrong on every single play..."Indy" for one...So we were constantly out of position to make the play...Not because we don't have the players or the scheme to win...We were just consistently on the wrong page...

As far as modifying the schemes during the game/season that becomes very confusing and slows everything down...That unit needs to be prepped to play together as a cohesive unit with each player being able to depend on his brother knowing what he will do in any situation...Switching between contrasting coverage schemes like "M2M" -n- "Zone" disrupts that stability and confidence...Gives rise to too many mistakes...

As far as other teams utilizing the "M2M" scheme it's mostly only in blitz situation when "S"s are sent...Than there are not enough "DB"s in coverage so some teams switch to "M2M" coverage...But most I think play a modified "Zone" in those situations...Especially when sending their "CB"s on the blitz...

It's a critical difference but the "Base D" is called out by the formations (3-4/4-3/5-2) while "Coverages" are called out according to the play of the "DB"s (M2M/Cover 2/Zone)....

Thus:

"Monster Big-Nickle"...5-2 -w- 3 "S"s

3-4 Zone...

3-4 M2M...

3-4 Cover 2...

3-4 Dime...

The "D" is called out twice...

PantyRaider...The "O" Also Plays A Huge Part In The "D"s Effectiveness!!!/_

11:31 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Eagles will keep Vick for 2011 by placing franchise tag on him

Vick will receive a one-year deal under the franchise tag.

That was to be anticipated IF the CBA continues to allow for that...



Do we need an new "QB" Coach...Zorn is out there now...We don't have one on our board...I say go after Zorn who also has some "HC" experience from "DC"...


Flacco on Zorn's firing: 'I don't think it was a good decision'

Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco expressed sharp disappointment over the firing of his position coach, Jim Zorn, and labeled the move an "attack" on him after his solid 2010 performance.

"I also feel like a little bit like I'm being attacked," Flacco said... "You fire the quarterback coach. Usually when your fire a position coach, it's because you're not really happy with how that position did. And when I look back on my season and our season as a team, I mean, we won 13 games. I felt like I had a pretty good year and you're firing the quarterback coach? It's kind of an attack on me, I feel like."


PantyRaider...I Think We Will Have An All-Star Staff...Just Hope They Can All Work Together!!!/_

12:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This from Lincoln Kennedy.

Threw Raymond St. Martin (Saint)

he thought "Wiz" would be a great coach and that he wouldn't be surprised to see Chester McGlockton join him since both were on Jim Harbaugh's coaching team at Stanford.


What!!!...I thought Big Chester left in a bit of a derogatory dispute and went to "KC" after lying that he would allow a trade after being made a "FA"...Thus we got nothing out of that deal...He was a "Deal Buster" Traitor but Al would now bring him in as an assistant coach!!!!...

Well it's written that once a Raider always a Raider but I have always questioned that with a few...I mean could anyone ever see that big "Saap" being welcome back or "Don't-Say Hall"....

PantyRaider...NOT Likely!!!/_

12:45 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Mankins on Patriots making offer: 'I don't see it happening'

There remains the possibility of Logan Mankins returning to the New England Patriots next season. But the Pro Bowl guard doesn't see that happening.

Mankins told the Boston Herald on Friday that he doesn't believe New England has any long-term plans for him, and he made it clear he would be unhappy if the team used its franchise tag to bring him back.

Logan Mankins "G"

Height: 6-4
Weight: 310
College: Fresno State

Hum!!!...Now would this be a good direction to make a move...Than "C" could be the main target in rd #2...

PantyRaider...Opportunities Are Out There!!!/_

1:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

This is the most realistic assessment of our team that I have ever read from a "Mediot"...The thing he fails to point out in all this is that that's exactly how it is in "War" or Business or any other valued undertaking under the sun...And as it should be...

Get results or get the fuck out!!!...NO Excuses!!!...

Win and the honeymoon can be extended. Experience has taught us what happens when the losing begins.

“Everybody always said that everything is done by coach (Davis),” Jackson said. “That’s not true. I mean, I’m hiring the staff. He made me the head coach of this football team and said, `Hue, let’s go. Obviously, I bounce everything off him. Why wouldn’t I? This is his team. But he doesn’t sit there and rule everything with an iron-clad fist.”

With already one season as the "OC" Hue can make that assessment with knowledge and experience...

But I promise you this. Coach Davis has a plan, and we have a plan, and we feel very confident as we move forward that we’re going to be able to put great football players out on our football field.

Again, I know you hear all the different stories about the Raiders, but none of those things are true. Coach Davis had done a great job just creating an environment for the players and coaches to come in and be successful, and that’s we’re looking to do.

The guy runs the draft as well as anybody I’ve ever seen run a draft. I mean, this guy knows football, and to me, for me not to use him as a resource would not be very smart on my part. So I’m very excited about the relationship I have built with him over time. The relationship that I think our coaches and our players have built with him over time. The one thing coach wants to do is win. That’s what we all want to do....."SB" ultimate goal.

You’re in all those pressure situations, week in and week out. I know what it’s like to call a great game. I know what it’s like to wish you had some plays back. I know what it’s like to call a bad game. I know what it’s like when practice is not going as good or when you don’t feel as well and you’ve got to go get this done. So I’ve been through all these situations throughout my career, and that’s what’s prepared me for today. There’s not much that I haven’t seen. Nothing truly prepares you to go out and do it, day in and day out, but I’ve been through a lot, and I’m so excited about this opportunity to lead this organization.


These words should resound deeply into every fans heart and all that ignorant "Crap" of the "IAAF"ers has NO place to dwell...This I have learned over time...

PantyRaider...Set The Matter Straight!!!/_

7:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Considering the average tenure of a Raiders’ HC is 1.5 seasons, it’s hard to imagine Coach Davis giving his HC control over anything.

When guys like The Wiz are hired to the staff, it’s pretty clear Davis is still driving that bus. What connection does Wiz - who played his entire NFL career with the Raiders - have with Jackson?

So just because a new HC is saying all the right things to the media, doesn’t mean it’s true or it will last.

Or am I to believe that Jackson didn’t witness first hand the breakdowns between Davis and Cable last season, or that he’s not aware of Kiffin-Gate? Sure sounds like that’s what he’s asking us to do.

But some here will continue to live in their off-season fantasy of delusion; that every move is made with the upmost purpose and formulated through exhaustive analysis and planning.

For others, the record speaks for itself. It is just another off-season with the mere hope that Davis will stumble into a workable relationship with his HC for a change.

Don’t believe me? Ask a veteran punter who has the longest active tenure of any player on the team. He is quoted as saying Jackson will have to juggle being OC, HC and the difficult task of working with Al Davis... something very few, if any, have been able to do.

5:04 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NYR, how dare you burst the fantasy, they want their make believe vision of the Raiders no matter what the reality is. They want to pretend that it's like playing Strat-O-Matic football, don't ruin the false reality. Or, you will suffer the rath of the crying and moaning for being a realist.

Hue is a rising star, Al doesn't get involved enough and is hands off, the new coaches will bring a dynamic team, the Org is hitting it out of the park......you know, that sort of stuff.

JONES

7:46 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

From J-Mac:

"Jackson is enjoying what Lane Kiffin referred to as the “honeymoon” period between Davis and the head coach.

Kiffin was the golden child once, bringing in a handful of assistant coaches he selected, making change, and attempting to affect change. He called Davis “Al,” and talked about how he basically could do anything he wanted at the NFL owner’s meetings.

A year later, he wasn’t wearing Raiders gear at the NFL scouting combine and was rejected in his attempts to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and defensive line coach Keith Millard.

Once Kiffin was gone, Tom Cable told us we had it all wrong with Davis. Cable said he was the coach of the team, he hired his entire staff, and that his working relationship with Davis couldn’t be better.

We know how that turned out."

10:03 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Former Raiders' castoff, DeAngelo Hall, was pro bowl MVP.

Not sure what to make of that. I guess it's hard to argue that he is talentless.

10:12 AM  

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