Sunday, October 03, 2010

One Postgame Take

The bad news is that we lost, we're now 1-3, and we're on pace to win four games this year, which would break our own recently extended NFL record for consecutive seasons with 11 or more losses.

The good news is that we continue to lead the NFL in talent, potential, silver linings and moral victories.

Once again, we delivered too little, too late. By the end of the third quarter, our receiving corps had one catch total for two yards against the NFL's 32nd ranked passing defense.. They woke up in the fourth quarter, but not soon enough. Yet even with invisible receivers, we marched the ball downfield and scored points with our refreshingly dynamic trio of Miller, McFadden and Gradkowski.

With Andre Johnson sidelined, we missed a golden opportunity. The mission was simple: stop the run, and we a great chance to win. Well, 250 rushing yards later, it's safe to say that the mission was far from accomplished.

Our team just can't figure out how to win. It's always something. We seem so close at times, yet so often come up empty. Here, we finally have a functioning offense, and our supposedly improved defense reverts back to old form.

So are we as close as it sometimes seems, or is it just a cruel mirage?


Anonymous scorpio said...

its a mirage! its frustrating to watch this team. as i said, both lines took major beatings today. with Dmac hurt AGAIN, hopefully bush steps up to the plate.

i hope the raiders show up for an important division game next sunday. plus the fact that i threw down over $600 to go to the game!

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Dave C. said...

Only 2 penalties. That's progress. 24 points, also progress. Sure, it's still an L, but we've improved from week to week this year. Here's hoping for 7-5 from here on out.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

I vote for mirage.

The Raiders will do whatever it takes to lose a football game.

Need a missed kick ? No problem

Break dowm in special teams ? You got it.

Bad run defense ? Just ask

Poor tackling ? Of course

A fumble, a drop, a mental mistake ? Hey, we have it all

4:41 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I'm sure the Raiders (and many fans) still won't see the benefit of having a vet WR.

Gradkowski should get a purple heart for his performance today and the beating he took behind a miserable O-line.

At what point will "management" decide Cable is not capable of "coaching up" the bottom-tier O-line players he's been given?

As RT said, Grad, Miller and McFadden were the workhorses. These guys will have to carry the Raiders if they want to break into the 5-win club.

Raiders are now in last place.

4:44 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

NY you're right. he deserves more than that, especially playing behind that line. he took some big hits and showed he has heart and fight in him.

btw, how many sacks did we have today?

on foster's long run, it appears that branch was turned around when foster passed him and huff had another bad angle.

this team needs to show some massive improvement in the urgency dept especially when time is running out.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

"this team needs to show some massive improvement in the urgency dept"

There is no urgency.

Al keeps writing the big checks.

The scholarship players are well protected.

We move from one bad HC to the next.

There is no urgency.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

With 24 points we would have beaten 15 teams besides the one we were playing. This was all on the defense. I'm sick of seeing Huff making weak arm tackles as the last line of defense... I watched gals in the lingerie league on MTV2 make better hits.

No way you blame this on the frigging WRs... 24 points should be enough.

Jesus RT.

5:37 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Dave C. said...

Only 2 penalties. That's progress. 24 points, also progress. Sure, it's still an L, but we've improved from week to week this year. Here's hoping for 7-5 from here on out.

Holy crap... you are about to be tied to a spit here.


5:41 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I didn't blame the WRs, I pointed out that they were invisible for three quarters, which is no way to score as many points as possible, which is the objective in the NFL.

The objective isn't to score X points because it would have beaten 15 other teams that day (but not the one you were playing, of course).

5:58 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I might add that Houston has the NFL's 32nd ranked passing defense.

In other words, our WRs were invisible against the easiest passing foe in the NFL.

But that's okay. It's great, in fact.

6:00 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I say this in all sincerity... only a Raider fan, and I do mean ONLY a Raider fan would blame a loss where we gave up 31 points on the WRs.

There are no other fans in the NFL like this anywhere.

Its VERY embarrassing.

The defense STUNK today RT.

End of story.

6:19 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Didn't blame. Observed. Gave ample credit to the defense for this loss.

When your WRs are invisible against the NFL's worst passing defense, it is noteworthy and part of the game story. I know you don't like it, perhaps because you've been telling me that our WRs corps is just dandy, but it's part of the story, and that's why it's in my postgame take. I don't care if you like it or not.

Fittingly, our last chance bounced out of a WR's hands and into Houston's to end the game.

6:29 PM  
Blogger x said...

Anyone who thinks the WRs didn't let the team down today were watching another game. In fact, they scored 24 points despite the WR play.

They let their gutsy QB down. Period.

Raiders made a huge mistake in not getting a vet WR when they had a chance. Didn't Owens go for 200+ today?

raider00 is right, they just seem to find a way to lose.

And does anyone else think that Rolando McClain is not the force out there that the team was hoping for?

6:31 PM  
Blogger x said...

I agree that the defense stunk.


But that doesn't take away the fact that the WR corps stunk too.

What a story it would have been if DHB or Murphy made those catches and Gradkowski drove them down for the tie and they pulled it out in OT. Bad defensive play would've been forgotten.

Enough blame to go around, unfortunately.

6:35 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

But Gary ... our D was ranked #2 in yardage. What a joke.

Our D created 0 turnovers, had 0 sacks, and got gashed 249 yards rushing at 6.9 a pop.

The defensive ranking based on yards was the biggest mirage of all time. It reminds of the 2006 season when we supposedly had an "elite" D but still lost 14 games.

Who cares if we scored 24 points? Scoring 24 points but turning it over 3 times and getting sacked 4 times and leaving points on the field is what losing teams do.

This game had such an obvious blue-print for success: Stop the Texans from running the ball at all costs. So what do we do ... we get completely steamrolled.

As far as the WRs being invisible until late in the game, it does matter. If we were going to have any chance today of keeping up with the Texans, we needed our WRs to make their presence felt early and often with big plays down the field.

No doubt the D should shoulder the majority of the blame but the reality is that games like this (shootout) requires our offense to be more explosive. Without your WRs contributing, it is very difficult to be explosive relying on McFadden and Miller alone.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Ok... fair enough... this was mostly on the defense AND WRs. I stand corrected.

The scariest part is McFadden (arguably our best player this year) has another Raider Hammy injury.

Do or die next week folks... I want the defense and the the DC to play like their hair is on fire...

6:45 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

But Gary ... our D was ranked #2 in yardage. What a joke.

I KNEW you would say something... although notice I never addressed that the Raiders had a good defense after three weeks of statistics (too small of sample size) I only addressed your assertion that defensive yardage statistics were "completely misleading".

Over 16 games they are clearly not.

Any 3 game statistic is "clearly misleading" because of sample size.

6:50 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I second that. Next week is do or die. It would mean a lot to win, because we have some softies like the Seahawks, Broncos and Niners right after that. It's not unreasonable to think that a victory next Sunday could ignite a winning streak.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous gary said...


As far as the WRs being invisible until late in the game, it does matter. If we were going to have any chance today of keeping up with the Texans, we needed our WRs to make their presence felt early and often with big plays down the field.

I am still not convinced we have an upgrade in play calling with Jackson.

I don't recall more than one deep pass to our WRs... isn't that why we drafted them? Their speed?

I agree their were tough passes that should have been hauled in, but why not put our WRs in situations they are supposed to excel at? I don't think we drafted ANY receivers as possession players. Why are we using them as it?

Head scratching...

6:57 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Raider Take said...

I second that. Next week is do or die. It would mean a lot to win, because we have some softies like the Seahawks, Broncos and Niners right after that. It's not unreasonable to think that a victory next Sunday could ignite a winning streak.

Thank you RT for some albeit slim optimism!

Next week is the entire season...

7:00 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Definitely some optimism, it's really fun to see our offense moving the ball downfield and making plays. McFadden and Miller are really stepping it up, and Gradkowski just oozes moxie.

This isn't the shoulder-shrugging, three-and-out offense of recent yore (as recently as Jason Campbell throwing the ball away in open space for no reason). As for our WRs, I hope it's just an anomaly, and maybe some nagging injuries, but personally I feel that we've been neglectful on cultivating depth at that position, and it seems like those chickens are taking roost. That said, I still have confidence in Murphy and DHB is improving, if still far from justifying his #1 paycheck.

But then there's the defense laying a massive egg at home, with Andre Johnson inactive, and it's like we're this accursed Rubik's cube, where the various parts rarely seem to line up at the right time to secure the win.

7:12 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Its really embarrassing that they ran the same play twice in a row early knowing fully well their TE would be uncovered TWO TIMES IN A ROW... completely left alone two plays in a row??? Uhh this is the NFL right?

We have some MAJOR defensive coaching problems here still... something that never ever seems to be corrected.

I don't think Cable is the problem... its our OC and DC right now.

Just a guess...

Gradkowski played great... I have hope here still.

Coaching... not so much... you might be right RT.

7:27 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

What's really crazy is that Arian Foster was benched for the first quarter for missing team meetings, but still managed to rack up 187 total yards and two TDs. In Oakland.

7:34 PM  
Blogger x said...

Its really embarrassing that they ran the same play twice in a row early knowing fully well their TE would be uncovered TWO TIMES IN A ROW... completely left alone two plays in a row??? Uhh this is the NFL right?

That really pissed me off, too.

Is this due to coaching?

Is this due to a rookie MLB calling the defensive signals?

Was it just a missed assignment (twice in a row) by that same rookie MLB?

Oh wait, can't be his fault. He played in the SEC.

7:57 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"That really pissed me off, too.

Is this due to coaching?"

Was it due to coaching in the 90's when they played the same defense as the one used by the Raiders today? Who is the coach? Coach Davis? How much evidence do people need before they can figure that out?

It's a basic scheme, the other team could run the play 10 times and hit 6-7 of them. This has been going on for years with different coaches and different players. It's very obvious why the quality of coaching and scheme never changes, just the faces. It's because they aren't the HC. He is the guy in the jumpsuit.


8:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


How the hell do you fault the "WR"s early on when they were simply NOT thrown to...6 attempts to the "WR"s in the 1st half...None in the 3rd...9 in the 4th quarter....The obvious gameplan was to use the "RB"s-n-"TE" in the passing game with the "WR" used much later....Go look at the damn Play-by-Play and stop with the total fraudulent CRAP....

Receiving.....REC/YDS TD
Z. Miller 11/122 1
D. McFadden 6/82
J. Higgins 2/38
M. Bush 2/16
M. Reece 1/13 1
L. Murphy 1/5
D. Heyward-Bey 1/2

Those passes to the "WR"s came in the 4th after "D-Mac" went down or did you even watch this game....

Now we ran very against the #2 Rush "D"...

Rushing....ATT/YDS TD 4.7yd ave
D. McFadden 12/47
M. Bush 7/40 1
B. Gradkowski 3/16
J. Ford 1/8
M. Reece 2/7

We gained 363 yds...
245 Passing/118 Rushing...
41% 3rd dn...

I suspect the gameplan was to limit the time for the Texans "O" by running the ball and dumping off to the "RB"s....Well that just didn't work...The "D" was up against the wall and failed...

249 Rush 6.9 ave
192 Pass
46% 3rd dn
0 Sacks
0 Int's
0 FF

"ST" played well enough but not great...One long return while allowing none but we were pined deep twice....

Pass Plays To "WR"s...

1-10-HOU 38 (15:00) 5-B.Gradkowski pass short middle to 85-D.Heyward-Bey to HST 36 for 2 yards

1-10-OAK 20 (10:06) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 15-J.Higgins.

1-10-HOU 32 (9:53) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep right to 85-D.Heyward-Bey

3-6-OAK 7 (3:37) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 85-D.Heyward-Bey

1-10-OAK 44 (11:59) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 18-L.Murphy.

1-10-OAK 35 (2:29) 5-B.Gradkowski pass deep middle intended for 18-L.Murphy INTERCEPTED by 33-T.Nolan at HST 45. 33-T.Nolan to OAK 35 for 20 yards (85-D.Heyward-Bey).

1-10-OAK 36 (14:28) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass short left to 15-J.Higgins to OAK 48 for 12 yards

1-10-OAK 39 (9:50) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass deep middle to 15-J.Higgins to HST 35 for 26 yards

2-5-HOU 30 (8:02) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short left to 18-L.Murphy

3-5-HOU 30 (7:38) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass short middle to 18-L.Murphy to HST 25 for 5 yards

2-6-HOU 21 (6:27) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short left to 18-L.Murphy.

3-6-HOU 21 (6:23) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep right to 15-J.Higgins.

1-10-OAK 25 (3:04) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short left to 18-L.Murphy.

3-16-OAK 31 (1:57) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep right to 85-D.Heyward-Bey.

4-16-OAK 31 (1:57) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass deep middle intended for 18-L.Murphy INTERCEPTED by 33-T.Nolan at HST 45

PantyRaider...We Failed On "D" -n- "O" GamePlan Deep Pass!!!!/_

8:21 PM  
Anonymous gary said...



Was it due to coaching in the 90's when they played the same defense as the one used by the Raiders today?

I coulda used some deep throws from the 80's and 90's, today.

Not sure what game you were watching, but I often times wonder what planet you are from...

9:12 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, with our offensive line, it's hard for me to believe that we strictly ran designed plays for three straight quarters, as if Gradkowski had all the time in the world to execute a precise script that somehow didn't include wide receivers.

Maybe Gradkowski didn't throw to WRs because they weren't getting separation and providing targets and making plays?

Just asking.

9:23 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

That a boy Gary, straight from the "Trolls Handbook". Can't refute what is written so you insult the person, classic. Been tellin ya for years, still doesn't sink in, what does it tell ya Mr Adult? It tells ya ya gotta thick skull, thoughts don't easily process in that wheel in between your ears. Where I come from (planet), we call people like you a SCHMUCK. And nobody likes a schmuck, hey, it is what it is.


10:07 PM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Once again utter embarrassment.

Can't we win against anyone?

Honestly, it doesn't matter how much talent is on this roster, how many #1 drafts picks there are, their 40 time, or how much money is thrown their way. Where's the leadership Cable talked up the whole offseason?

Al Davis' D still can't stop the run because our D Line, MLBs and secondary is still too soft. Players still can't tackle and can't close their angle of attack to make those stops count.

It has to all come together on sundays. Bottom line....we cannnot produce quality football on the field.

10:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Al Davis' D still can't stop the run because our D Line, MLBs and secondary is still too soft."

I have to disagree, the talent is there, the scheme isn't. The scheme puts the players in scenarios to fail. Put these players on another team that has an up to date scheme, you would see that they would be good or at least much better. You would see pressure and Qb's confused. IT'S THE SCHEME and it's the same one Al has used for decades. Different faces, same schemes, same results. No reason to ask why, it's obvious.


11:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

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6:18 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's no guessing game about the lack of WR depth. When your QB throws to the corner of the end zone and his target stops short on an out route, there's a problem.

At the end, the D actually put Gradkowski and the Raiders in a position to tie the game, and he delivered his part, just like he always does.

But again, a WR dropped a perfect pass (on 4th down). In Murphy’s defense, he was playing injured and seemed to flinch before the hit. This is why having quality WR depth is so critical.

For some reason, the Raiders reserve a roster spot for a WR who is either injured or in the doghouse.

Jerry Porter
Javon Walker
Nick Miller
Chaz Schilens

See a pattern? 3 of 4 players above survived multiple years of little or no playing time while being a fixture on the 53-man roster.

It's bizarre!

Next week is absolutely a MUST WIN game.

The Chargers have won 13 straight v. the Raiders.

It's no secret that success in the NFL starts by winning in your division.

6:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we look much closer to an actual football team this year vs. the product we've seen in the past few years. i would love to see results in W's however. baby steps i suppose.

9:58 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Baby steps? No time for baby steps, NFL doesn't wait for babies to grow up. You either have a full out plan or you are lost. No drafting projects every other pick, waiting for them to get it, it's get it done now. Baby steps are for losers.


11:17 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

What's up with all the hamstrings? Is it just an amazing coincidence that so many players have the same type of injury, or do the Raiders need new trainers too?

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gradkowski did not impress yesterday. He made some bad moves. Running on third and long and taking that second hit was plain stupid. He was no where near a first down and got his clock cleaned. He needs to throw the ball away in that situation. Also, why was he in the pocket so much? He had weak protection and only a few shot gun formations. How many times does he need to be hurried or sacked before they start protecting him every way they can?

12:39 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Anno 12:39pm....

I agree "GradSki" was far from perfect...He also was under assault which could account for some of that...Personally I was surprised he returned to the game instead of going with "JC"....


I think that played a part also...We didn't have time to throw down-field much this week so relied mostly on the quick dump-off stuff....Which worked very well until "RunDmc" went down...

Bush was playing well also but didn't seem to get targeted enough like "D-Mac"....Instead it was all-out to the "WR"s in the 4th and they failed to deliver late and the "Q" was off target too while under assault...

The 3rd dn pass to "DHB" was slightly behind and a bit early....It hit him in the left shoulder as soon as he made his move to turn around...Had it been 1/2 second later or slightly to the right it would have hit him in the #'s....Catchable??....Perhaps but not consistently by reflex that way....It looked like "DHB" was surprised by the ball...The next one was on but Murphy was not...

I think Houston's gameplan was to bring the heat and hope our "QB" would get rattled because they don't have the "DB"s to cover...It worked late in this game after we lost our primary target out of the BackField....

Hope "D-Mac" can play this week but we also need to develop Bush more in that format too...We went with "RB"-"FB" mostly and less "WR"s....I would like to see "Maren McBush" at the same time -w- play-action and dump-offs....Reece is a threat too but not the threat "Maren McBush" would be....Problem is by the tiem we get one healthy the other is on his way out....

PantyRaider...Tight Hammy Sucks!!!/_

1:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Chargers safety Gregory suspended four games

San Diego Chargers starting strong safety Steve Gregory has been suspended for four games without pay for violating the the league's policy on performance-enhancing substances.

Just another "Roid" player in "SoCal"....

Other Raider News....

Gradkowski capitalized, to some extent, by completing 24 of 39 passes (61.5 percent) for 278 yards and two touchdowns. He had a 78.8 passer rating.

“We got whipped on both sides of the line of scrimmage. That’s the bottom line.’’

By game’s end, Murphy had one catch (he was targeted seven times) and Heyward Bey one (he was targeted five times). That’s 2-for-12 for seven yards to the two starting wide outs.

Moments before Heyward-Bey was late to look and adjust to another Gradkowski pass and the ball hit off one hand and fell incomplete. He had another very difficult chance near the end zone on a leap bounce free.

That gives Gradkowski a 131.4 passer rating going to Miller and 16.6 to his starting wide receivers.

– The Raiders were 3-for-3 scoring touchdowns in the red zone after being 3-for-13 coming in.

Bennett becomes the 11th different player to be identified with a hamstring injury since the beginning of training camp.

PantyRaider..."SD" Will Not Go Down Easy!!!/_

2:29 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Week #5 Projection:

Den @ Bal 10am....Loss 2-3
KC @ Ind 10am....Loss 3-1
SD @ Oak 1pm.....Loss 1-4/3-2

PantyRaider....Sucks To Pick Against My Raiders!!!!/_

2:34 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Holy shit! PR predicts a loss?

I think this is the week the Raiders show up and attempt to turn their season around.

The Chargers reign over the Raiders has to end someday. Why not this weekend? It's time to get really pissed off, not lay down.

Who's the crybaby now?

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

It boils down to being good on defense 90% of the time, but giving up 1 or 2 big runs.
This has plagued us for the last 7 seasons. I think it is beyond the coaching, I think it is players out of position on the d-line and lb spots, and slow to read the play and plug the gap.
Bad line play, bad game calling, just no consistency on either side of the ball; only glimmers of hope that we can be a good team. I'm truly at a loss of how to feel about this team.

6:25 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

This losing streak to the Bolt has got to end this Sunday.

Our team needs to play solid football in all 3 phases for a complete 60:00 game.

If our DC doesn't figure out a way to get consistent pressure in Rivers' grill, it will be a VERY loooooong day.

Just wondering ... is it against the law to occasionally blitz your corner or safety? Sacks and turnovers are created by aggressive, creative defensive playcalling. Allowing Rivers to sit back and survey the entire field is playing to lose.

7:16 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Is Gary going to attack Waste for giving up on the season? What about all the positive vibes that will give the Raiders the mystique to win? Looks as though we have a WASTE overboard. Let him soak for a while, he probably hasn't had a bath in weeks. No wonder San Diego stinks.


7:18 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Gee Nate, you act as if it's a mystery, you act as if this is a "jonny come lately" thing. Kinda obvious by now? How many decades will it take?

Blows me away that fans still sit there stunned, just unable to understand why. So intent on clinging to a dream, no longer able to reason. No longer able to admit to themselves what their eyes are seeing, lost for words.

There has to be a start, a new start, a new direction. Going to keep telling everyone I can contact that it's the only way......give me a team that looks like it belongs in the 21st Century, so tired of the reruns, so tired of the same shit, different game. This Honky wants a brand new bag....BRING IT.


7:28 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Jones said,

"the talent is there, the scheme isn't. The scheme puts the players in scenarios to fail"

I agree. The Raiders are always working with second rate coaches.

And from second rate coaches, come second rate schemes.

We see it every season, no matter what coaching staff, or players. The Raiders always play the same, with the same failed results.

So what are we left with ? Replacing Cable with Hue Jackson ? James Lofton ? Jim Fassel ?

Then have the old GM hand pick some of the HC's asst. coaches ? Hand pick the DC too ?

And the merry-go-round of losing goes on and on.

It's hard to watch this mess called the Raiders.

11:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

For all you stat lovers, SD is ranked #1 in the NFL in both offense and defense.

This must be what turned PR against "his" Raiders.

ANYTHING less than a WIN this Sunday is unacceptable! There are no moral victories in football.

Turnovers have been an issue for SD. On the other side of the ball, they sacked AZ nine times last week. These are two areas the Raiders should be focusing... and not spotting the other team 7 points to start the game.

9:06 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Damn, the party sure died in here.


4:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The party is breaking up.

The harsh reality is setting in...

underlings and

It's the Raiders undoing.

Hell, even PR is predicting a loss this week (once he learned that SD is statistically superior).

Although, we haven't heard from the entertainment dept yet, who will tell us it's all good as long as it's a close game.

Of course, somebody will need to buy a block of about 30,000 tickets to prevent the 10th straight blackout.

Nothing will change for me. I will make my weekly trek with some friends to a local sports bar, and root the Raiders to an improbable victory. Two in my usual group will travel to Oakland this week and watch the game live... meaning two more tx sold (only 29,998 to go!).

5:23 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Now seems like a good time to update some famous, old Raiders slogans.

Pride & Poise...I wish we had some.

Commitment to Excellence...Was nice while it lasted.

Just Win Baby...Please, just win a game or two.

The Will to Win...You're kidding, right ?

The Greatness of the Raiders remains in the future...So if you were just born today, you might get to see a Raiders playoff game by the time you're 30.

I don't think they can fit that last one on a bumpersticker.

7:01 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

half empty stadium, 30-86 record for the past 7.25 seasons, PR picking the Chargers, ... everything is on track for this 10 year rebuilding plan!

I'm like you NYR. I will be at my local watering hole ("Stick N Stein") owned by the Brett brothers (George and Ken) with a couple buddies. Before kickoff we will be hopeful and pumped. I hope when we leave, we get the Charger monkey off our back.

It's simple for me. Beat the Chargers and get back into contention or lose and be looking at a top 5 pick.

7:02 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

You mean, looking at the Patriots taking what would have been our top five pick, right?


7:07 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Doh! I forgot momentarily about the Patsies getting our pick. Yikes. Only 1 thing to do ... win!

8:08 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

RT & CJ,

Hey, no problem. Let's just turn around and trade Seymour for another #1 pick.

He's still worth a #1, right ?

Our great GM didn't make another big fat, blunder, did he ?

Ha. Bet we couldn't get more than a 4th rounder for Seymour now.

8:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Week #5 Match-Up...


................Int's-#2 Tie

Sacks-#17 Tie..."OL"-#17

Well now it seems there is surprise that I pick a loss this week...Why would that be...I have posted that in past weeks it was a winnable match-up but NOT all games would be so we needed to win when it was available...Am I missing something of do any of you see a winnable match-up here...

Please tune me in because all I see is a game against a team who are far beyond us and the only way we win is by Up-Set due to their stupid mistakes...Houston didn't give us any and I posted it would come down to mistakes...The mistakes were ours and we lost in a winnable match-up....This one is NOT...

So this week sends all of you back onto your "Trail-o-Tears" in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"....

Me...I'm still here lookin for some improvement week by week and lookin at what's ahead....

As far as the "11" draft there may not be one if these bastards let everything fold and lose the season...Players-n-Management are to blame with the weak-ass fans caught in the middle because NONE are willing to rise up now in protest....Just so you can cry a mil tears later....

PantyRaider...Tell It Like It Is NOT Like I Want It Too Be!!!!/_

9:39 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"So this week sends all of you back onto your "Trail-o-Tears" in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom"...."

Too funny and quite the irony. Here is PR saying the Chargers game isn't winnable while the so called "doom and glomers" are in it to win it.

Newsflash PR:

Every game is "winnable". There are 60:00 and 150 snaps per game where each individual and team collectively is,

"the master of their fate,
and the captain of their soul."

(edited from the famous poem Invictus)

10:32 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

Here's another newsflash; the Chargers aren't the "best team" in football, despite their #1 statistical rankings.

What a joke! To be so hung up on stats after Week 4 that you predict a loss before the first snap because of statistical rankings.

Doom n Gloom has hit you hard. You're the crybaby now.

Two teams. Division rivals. Raiders played them fairly close last year, with Russell at QB.

IMO, the Raiders' season rides on this game. No pressure. It's just for EVERYTHING!

4:59 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Sounds like the Patriots sent Moss to the Vikings for a third-rounder.

So they paid a fourth-rounder for him four years ago, and now get a third-rounder. Amazing.

6:23 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Didn't the Pats also get record-breaking, pro bowl level performance from Moss while he was there?

Turned out to be quite an investment.

8:55 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

3rd rd in "11" might not be worth much if we don't have a draft because we don't have a season....

To the "Criers Circle"....

I think there is a huge difference between making weekly projections as to who i think will win and crying "Doom-n-Gloom" because we aren't able to win....Now if I were a betting man which I ain't I sure as hell wouldn't put any $$$$ on the Raiders to win....Maybe to cover the spread but surely not to win....

I'm hard-core for my team but ain't stupid....On paper we ain't got's a rat's chance in hell and I'm not sure "Any Given Sunday" applies to us until we show it applies...There hasn't been much of that lately has there....

And if you noticed I posted...

"I'm still here lookin for some improvement week by week and lookin at what's ahead"....

"Tell It Like It Is NOT Like I Want It Too Be!!!!/_"

So those were my personal "Disclaimers" so to speak....

But I fully understand how y'all desire to try to pin some freaking "Quit" factor on "Old-Faithful" but it just ain't gonna happen Babies...

So your all on the spot now...If we pull a blunder and it pulls us under what will your over-n-under be....I'll be here supportin while lookin for the Pos...Will you....


PantyRaider....Just Supportin Baby!!!/_

11:18 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

A Week-by-Week Look Ahead...


Rush-#32....Rush-#12 Tie



Bye Week........

Rush-#7 Tie…..Rush-#1

Rush-#15 Tie..Rush-#23

Rush-#6.....Rush-#11 Tie

Rush-#12.......Rush-#12 Tie

Rush-#32....Rush-#12 Tie



The out-look ain't so bad after this week...We could still very well be 5-4 at the bye even with a loss this week to "SD"...

After the bye we have winnable games that may be tough against Pitts/Miami/Indy and again what should be a loss against "SD" but we could very well be no worse than 8-8 if we lose all those games but take the easy winnable games going 3-4 after the bye...

I still forecast a 10-6 record with a shot at the AFCW if we're 5-4 at the bye but we will have to win 2/3 against Pitts/Miami/Indy and take Jags/Dronkos/Chiefs with loss to "SD" so going 5/7 to close the season....

Possibilities but certainly no easy task and we need to show continued improvement week by week to accomplish that task....

PantyRaider...The Question Is Do We Have The Heart!!!/_

"SD" 6pts "OakTown" 3-2/1-4
Balt 7pts "MuleHead"s 2-3
Indy 8.5pts "Squaw"s 3-1

A win would put us at 2-3 in a 3-way tie for 2nd one game behind "KC" but I don't expect that to happen....Hope for it but don't expect it...Just the reality Babies!!!....

12:41 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders add Davis, cut Alford

Concerned about their depth at linebacker, the Raiders signed Bruce Davis and released defensive lineman Jay Alford

Davis (6-foot-3, 252 pounds) was signed off the practice squad of the 49ers. He was a third-round draft pick, No. 88 overall, by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2008.

Davis is the son of former Raiders tackle Bruce Davis, who also attended UCLA and played with the Raiders from 1979-87.

Other News....

Former Chiefs and Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, a Raider-hater from way back said...
“The one constant yuo can count on in playing the Raiders is that they don’t finish. They don’t finish plays and they don’t finish games. I always told my players that if they keep playing hard against the Raiders, (the Raiders) would eventually fold. That is why I knew we would always win.

That is still the perception in the league today.”
Cable-n-Company dutifully printed and placed in the locker room where players could read it.

Now will it have an effect to fire them up and show some heart of will they just shrug it off and collapse as usual...

PantyRaider....The "Shroud-o-Darkness" Engulfs The "Valley-0-Doom-n-Gloom"!!!!

Oh!....So much suspense!!!....

2:33 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Now the question is......why is it that way? Why does the league and Marty say this? Blowing it off and calling him a hater is the wrong response. Raiders need an open mind and a look at the BIG picture.

Why are generation after generation of players coming to the Raiders and then developing these traits? Same with the coaches. I have my thoughts on why the players give up and why they lose their will. Many have mocked my theory but I can bet you it is damn close.

They know they are behind the 8 ball before they run on the field for game time. They know they are handcuffed by poor schemes and poor coaching. They know that other orgs are lightyears ahead in player relations and continuity within the org. Players on other teams feel superior to the Raiders because of the Raiders' High school feel to handling their affairs.

Raider players see that their schemes are IMPOSSIBLE to maintain throughout a season, let alone a game. The players are demoralized, mentally defeated before the opening whistle. THEY KNOW, they know it doesn't work, they lose faith and hope. It's impossible to win with this situation. The coaches ride out their contracts, also knowing that they cannot win in an org that has still not gotten past the 80's. This is the big league and the Raiders org is Minor league. It's sad, but it's true.


7:18 PM  
Anonymous Mississippi Mud said...

Jones or whoever you are do you have a brain in your head yes this is the big league you don't have a brain if you think as stupid as you write the player the coach don't have a clue you are a complete idiot and clueless about any sport to believe that

8:02 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Criers Circle", "Doom and Gloomers" ... ABSOLUTE nonsense.

PR - You can site statistics til your blue in the face. You can belt out your "positive" feelings all you want. However, to suggest that Raider fans like myself, NYR, Raider OO, Jones, RT, aren't dealing in reality or want OUR team to succeed is completely asinine.

The BOTTOM LINE, as it has always been and should continue, is we want our team to win. I'm not content with positive statistics UNLESS it equates to "W"s. I'm not content to wait for a "10 year" plan to come to fruition. The constant spin, defining a fan, excuse making, pie in the sky attitude is growing rather thin.

8:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


What the damn hell are you crying about...
However, to suggest that Raider fans like myself, aren't dealing in reality or want OUR team to succeed is completely asinine.

The constant spin, defining a fan, excuse making, pie in the sky attitude is growing rather thin.

I don't know what the hell your reading but it wasn't from me...My comments were in reply to the accusations that I'm turning "Doom-n-Gloom" which was total "BS"...Now I have NO freakin idea what the hell your crying about...

And I don't give a damn whether you like the stats or not....Your censorship doesn't reach this far south...And I don't give a damn if your thin about it...

"Excuse Making"...Well damn your stupid "Finger Pointing" too....

"pie in the sky attitude"...I'm the one who predicted a loss and your the one who said...
Every game is "winnable"
Sounds like your holding onto that Pie and it's about to fall in your face....I simply posed a question...

"If we pull a blunder and it pulls us under what will your over-n-under be....I'll be here supportin while lookin for the Pos...Will you"....

So now "Pie-in-da-Sky" boy what will be your response if we're 1-4....All is lost and crawl back into the dungeon....

I also posted a follow-up about our remaining schedule showing how even at 1-4 we still have a chance...Is that what your now calling my "Pie-in-da-Sky" attitude...Well screw yourself...You don't define what my attitude can be nor how damn pos I can be...So screw your damn ignorant censorship attempts on what I can post on this damn board...

PantyRaider...One More Loss Ain't The End To This Season!!!/_

9:41 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Unfortunately, what Marty Rottenheimer says is true.

Any Raider fan that is honest with themselves can see it.

The Raiders are always overwhelmed by either the opponents gameplan, or the pressure of a game winning moment.

In any case, they fade, fold, and lose. Sometimes, they don't even show up for the whole game(blowouts).

Now to be fair, Rottenheimers words have only been true since around 1990.

So the question is, what happened to the Raiders since 1990 ?

What happened since 1990 to turn the once great Raiders into perennial, folders, quitters, chokers ?

9:52 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"So the question is, what happened to the Raiders since 1990 ?"

RON WOLF, thank you and good night.


10:48 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The scheme is huge. For example, the Raiders play a single-deep safety that, from what I've read, makes playing safety for the Raiders harder than any other organization.

Rob Ryan more or less admitted as much as DC.

Sure, Huff isn't the best safety in the league, but he plays on an island that no other safety is asked to play on a regular basis.

Think about it. When was the last time somebody played Huff's position with any success. Rod Woodson?

And the notion of a 10-year plan is a joke. That's only valid if you keep the same pieces in tact and move in a direction that makes those pieces work more effectively.

When you swap coaches like you change your underwear, and considering the avg career of an NFL player is less than 3 years, 10 years is joke.

All the Raiders have been doing is failing time and again using the same miserable formula.

You'd think the 8th straight year of this shit would be a wakeup call for the organization and its fans. But it's not. Some just keep pretending like it can still work.

5:15 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It's not just the safety, because of the Man on Man coverage, the Db's half to turn their back to the play, this is why a RB gets big gains once he gets through the first 4 yrds. The Line and LB are supposed to take on blockers and disgard them to stuff the holes. If the blockers are able to get the angle on the defender, there are big holes. Everyone is man on man and all it takes is for ONE man to be taken care of and then the defense is screwed because of the man on man. Now the RB is running free and able to get big chunks.

If every man is able to control his blocker or avoid him, then the run get's stuffed. High risk run defense. Passing defense, when a team plays 90% of the same ANYTHING, it will eventually get picked apart. Defense is a game of confusion, very rare that a defense can just dominate physically. But, this is what Al Davis asks from his defense and year after year it's the same results. If he is such a genius and still has his whits about him, why can't he figure it out?


9:44 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Agreed. The other problem with players having their back to the play (as is common with man coverage) is not coming up with your share of turnovers. That's a huge part of the game.

Teams that regularly win the turnover battle will typically have a winning record.

The Raiders rarely win that battle.

11:43 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scuttlebutt to shed some real tears in the "Valley-0-Doom-n-Gloom"...

Seems there was a master plan involved when the Patcy "Cheatsters" traded away "NO-Moss"...They wanted the roster spot and the Vike's 3rd rd pick to package with our 1st rd pick to acquire "SD"s "PB"-"WR" Vincent Jackson....So now all that talk about how we lay done has a propose too...Trying to get in our heads and take this game to elevate the value of what would have been our 1st rd pick....

So...Not only do we get out-matched in this game it also adds or subtracts from the value "SD" will be spending come April...

"NE" not only got our 1st and "NO-Moss" they also get "VJ" so continued returns on that investment....

Meanwhile we're sitting here wondering what happened...But hay!...We got's Seymour....A 4th rd pick that went south...A 1st rd pick to the "Vike" who now get that player back for a 3rd...

Damn....This has just gotta make y'all cry a thousand tears...But be careful ya might flood your valley and have no escape...

PantyRaider....The Scoop From "SC" @ 3am While I Was At 24hr Fitness Bustin My Ass!!!!/_

1:08 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Interesting analysis by Romanowski on our run defense, he also says the chargers can be beat on Sunday.

2:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Classic Romo. What did we learn? your opponent into the ground, poke his eyes out, punch him in the balls, then break his finger.

The inside scoop: Marshall coaches a read and react defense. The players take on his passive personality and bring that to the field. Marshall's defense will NEVER be elite.

4:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well "RT" that one was sorta weak...

"Romo" played with fire but he talks like a pacifist....Too soft-n-cute...

So 1st he talks about how we don't have any killer-instinct and play read-n-react "D"....Than he says "SD" can be beat if we take down their "QB"...How...Playing "R-n-R" while not getting pressure like in the past few games....He didn't give anything as an indication the Raiders would play differently this week than last....Well except we sorta fixed our red-zone "O"...We also sorta fixed our "OL" flags but that's not going to win this game for us....

Mistakes...If "SD" makes-em and we take advantage than we have a shot at taking this game...If not I don't see anything at all in our favor...Not on paper....

2 possibilities here in my view...

#1....We play another game like week #1....Maybe in it early on but out for the count way before the time runs out....Garbage-Time stats is all we make...

#2...We play competitive football and keep it close...We stay in the game and if that mistake is made we capitalize and steal a "V"....Odds are we don't...Odds are the mistakes are ours trying to play over our heads....

PantyRaider...But Hell I Hope I'm Wrong!!!!/_

4:27 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Henderson is out indefinitely with a stress fracture...I will post to pimp again what I pimped early on prior to the preseason....

Go after Haisworth...He ain't happy playing for the "Rat" and they need to get something and get out of his huge contract...Could get him very cheap and we definably need his help in a big way if we want to contend...

My "D-Mac" appears out also...

Gallery may be back....

Hue says we will target the "WR"s this week...Need to play big he said...Expect continued dump-offs to Bush-n-Zack....

Marshal says the blitz won't be a primary tool this week any more than last...I'm hoping he's fooling with their "O" and plans to bring the heat....If not it's another long ugly day of "R-n-R"..."B-d-B"....Passive "D"...

PantyRaider...Still NO Raider Advantage In Site!!!/_

5:11 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Marshall's defense will NEVER be elite."

IT'S NOT MARSHALL'S DEFENSE, for crying out loud, you still think the DC runs the defense? It has been proven without a shadow of a doubt that it's AL DAVIS' DEFENSE. How anyone in their right mind can still think the DC makes the scheme and personel moves....the Raiders have been playing this defense way before Marshall ever showed up.


6:28 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Excellent idea! Maybe the Raiders can trade their #1 pick in 2012 for Hainesworthless.

Can we possibly overpay any more players? If we start in earnest right now, maybe we can field a truly competitive long-term contender by 2015.

We can start by no longer mortgaging our future away on players that don't play for the right reasons.

I'll take more of the soft-spoken, poke you in the eye and punch you in the balls while you're down types, like Romanowksi.

6:32 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Romo's concussions are catching up to him, he acts like a punch drunk fighter. It's ridiculous that they blame Marshall, guess that's how you get a show?


6:46 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I know, Jones. Marshall was hand-picked to convey the message. But he's the same wishy-washy DC he was in Seattle.

The Raiders lack the balls to play defense with the intensity to be successful.

The one game they showed up and demonstrated they are capable of dominating with an aggressive defense (Eagles game last year), they immediately crawled back into their womb and got spanked by the Jets. It makes no sense.

See it work, then abandon it.

6:53 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

From J-Mac:

"So what now?"

“Just stay with what we know is a winning formula,’’ Marshall said. “I mean, you come out, you practice the way you should practice You work on your technique, you work on your gap control, you work on your tackling, and those are all those things.’’

Winning formula? Is he f'n kidding?!

And, apparently, here's how the Raiders practice under Marshall's so-called "winning formula" after a couple tough losses.

J-Mac: "Say this for the Raiders _ they may have tight hamstrings, but they’re pretty loose in terms of practice demeanor."

"There was no shortage of laughing and joking as they went through the paces at something less than half speed."

"We’ll assume the intensity picks up once the prying eyes are sent from the field."

Well, I guess as long as they're happy and can put up some decent stats, we should be happy.

7:10 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

To stay with a winning formula? That reminds me of Cable saying they were set at the Wr position and didn't need to pick up Chambers off waivers last year when Chad was hurt. Ralph Wilson and Al Davis, shouldn't the other owners step in with these 2? Kinda like a Mafioso metting, telling them "it's time"? Oakland Raiders may never recover, the fan base is going to need a lot of convincing, how insane does it have to get?


10:12 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Did I stumble into an alternative universe Raider Take where the suicidal-Raider fans are claiming we have a CHANCE this weekend, while PR is predicting a loss?


Anyway, I was going through some old bookmarks and stumbled over a Usenet thread from 2001 and I realized why I have so little patience with the constant gloom and doomers here... the things people whine about now are the same things they were whining about in 2001. Its from the day after an OT loss that knocked us down to EIGHT AND THREE!!!



"I need to take off my rose colored glasses."

This was during our SB march, with a two game lead in the AFCW... I can provide the URL if you don't believe me.

I guess I don't see it making one iota difference what anyone sez here, or what the team does... most of you will whine just as much regardless. I honestly believe that there would be just as much whining and hand wringing during a 14 win season.

I pretty much have the proof.

10:29 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Correction... the loss was to Arizona putting us at 8-3 the year before the SB season (and the year after nearly winning a title if not for the Sarigusa belly flop).

10:36 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

The Raiders defense has a winning formula ?

Who gave it to them, the nutty professor ?

Oh no wait, I think they got it from the nutty owner/GM.

I must admit though, DC John Marshall has his job down to a sience.

Never blitz. Say all the right things. Collect paycheck.

Keep up the good work John. You may be here longer than Rob Ryan.

10:55 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I'm sure we would all be crying if the Raiders were 8-3. I'm sure we would be calling Cable an idiot and the players were under performing. I'm sure we would still think Al is running the team. Yeah, way to go Gary, bring up 2001 like Raider fans were hating the best time to be a Raider fan in 20 some years. It sure is comparable to today, isn't it?


11:15 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

8-3 would be nothing short of a miracle. I'm not one to complain about a divine gift.

But, hey, some here are like John Marshall. They can get their balls handed to them on gameday and think nothing of it. All is well! It's a winning formula that has netted us one win in four chances, and ranks us in the bottom of the league in points allowed.

4:46 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

One headline from SD:

"Raiders' new tactic: Don't practice"

Between the injuries, excused absence(s) and general lack of energy described by J-Mac, this headline seems right on target.

This is interesting. Kind of a chicken or the egg discussion.

Seems Patrick Patterson would like to blame the fans (at least partly) for the poor attendance.

He doesn't seem to understand the longevity or the magnitude of the Raiders implosion. If the Raiders want to regain public trust, they could at least consider some modicum of public relations. This business as usual shit, and fielding the same defective product year after year after year has worn down even the most fanatical ones.

5:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I guess I don't see it making one iota difference what anyone sez here, or what the team does... most of you will whine just as much regardless. I honestly believe that there would be just as much whining and hand wringing during a 14 win season.

I pretty much have the proof."
Gary finds a few random comments of a few fans after 1 game and makes the most ridiculous broad stroke assumptions I've ever heard but the important thing is he has his proof! Congratulations on your thesis studies. Brilliant!

What a complete joke. The VAST MAJORITY of Raider fans want their team to (a) win (b) be successful (c) provide a quality product on the field. Nothing more, nothing less. Is that too difficult for you to calibrate and handle?


8:05 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If it's unreasonable for fans to be down on the performance of a team when it is doing quite well, isn't it conversely unreasonable for fans to be high on the performance of a team that is mired in the worst stretch in NFL history?

I can't speak to what other fans said at another time. I can only say that I am disappointed and impatient with the Raiders, as they are taking way longer to reach .500 than even the most forgiving expectations should allow.

8:26 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Raider Take said...

If it's unreasonable for fans to be down on the performance of a team when it is doing quite well, isn't it conversely unreasonable for fans to be high on the performance of a team that is mired in the worst stretch in NFL history?

Thats not what is happening... or has happened. Most of the gloom and doomers bitch and moan and think the teams sucks REGARDLESS of the win loss record or how many years in a row the Raiders have lost.

I have the proof.

The people trying to be optimistic aren't saying this team is going to win every game regardless of past losing, we OBJECTIVELY see improvement, and dwell on that instead of dwelling on all the past losing.

The opposite of saying the team sucks and is dead in the water at 8-3 would be any of us saying with a straight face the team can still make a SB run at 3-8. Have you EVER seen anything so retarded?

If so, I beg to differ.

When the team is winning we don't sit there and bellyache about every single flaw.

Thats my point... why should I pay attention to people like JONES, and NYR (I know, I fall for it every time with NYR) when the things they whine about would be the same regardless of the teams performance.

These people think there should be pro-bowlers at every spot, and anything less than 19-0 is a disaster waiting to happen.

I honestly believe that.

I'd LOVE to see what those two were saying (and you too RT) after the fourth loss in a row during the last SB season.

There is a ZERO percent chance that any of you still thought the team had a chance in hell of even making the playoffs that year.

Thats my honest belief based on over 15 years of reading the comments of Raider fans like you.

9:24 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

have unrealistic expectations during periods of success. It's a fan thing, not a Raiders fan thing.

Philly fans were unsatisfied with McNabb while he was leading them to numerous NFC Championships and even the Super Bowl. Some Patriots fans wanted to run Belichik out of town for losing to the Colts during a regular season game. I could cite countless other examples. Some fans get greedy, sort of the nature of the beast.

That said, there are fans who represent the opposite side of the spectrum--fans with unreasonably low expectations, who get really perturbed when others become impatient with year after year of sub .500 football in a league that goes out of its way to cultivate parity through the draft order, revenue sharing, salary cap, etc.

9:35 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Thats my honest belief based on over 15 years of reading the comments of Raider fans like you."

If Gary believes it, it must be true, right? After years of reading Gary's posts, my IQ has dropped and my faith in humanity went down the toilet, thanks a lot for that, Gary. I think what you have done for me is a lot worse than what I have done for you. Now sit down and STFU.


9:38 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

As promised, I am making an effort here to avoid comment that might be perceived as personal putdowns. I invite everyone to join me.

9:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"These people think there should be pro-bowlers at every spot, and anything less than 19-0 is a disaster waiting to happen."

Just the opposite. I think we should stop chasing pro bowl players with big contracts, and trade the few we have. I would much prefer palyers with a pedestrian blue-collar work-ethic who would chew off their own finger to win a game.

10:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


"Rots-o-Ruck"....From the day I returned to this board in April it was dominated by the likes of "JudeAss" posting derogatory comments about posters wives/family and belligerent name calling that should be taken personal....And I did and retaliated in like kind...

Now I totally appreciate your current effort and if you can keep it up maybe something will change back to what it was...But seriously at this point I have my doubts...Just like I have my doubts about a win this week...The evidence is simply overwhelming...

So for my part I have discontinued reading the crap from 2 posters and it's shadows...But none the less they continue to try to address animosity towards me...It just ain't happening "Oh! Childish Ones"...

I do make continued generalities toward the "Circle-o-Tears" in the "Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom" due to the FACT that it continues to dominate this board....But nothing directed at any individual and only direct comments to ones posted directly at me such as "CJ"s occasional attacks in his attempts to "Censor" my comments/stats/positivity....


Yes...If we are generally pos but also realistic and see that this week's game may be out of reach statistically than we become targets of their projected "Gloom" on us....Like any of that could possibly stick...

Than when I post that even at 1-4 we could still be 5-4 at the bye week and go 3-4 after the bye and be 8-8 on the yr than I'm....

"constant spin, excuse making, pie in the sky attitude"

How funny is that...Being realistically Pos while acknowledging the Neg just won't be tolerated here...

PantyRaider....Do They Actually Believe We Win This Week!!!!/_

1:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What was really said...

"Well, from my perspective "... I've always saw in that football team, they don't finish plays very well. And I'm not going to sit here and tell you that "... they don't care. But, I do think that losing over an extended period of time produces guys that tend to "... they don't finish plays the way you need to finish plays. "...

"And that was always the thing that I felt
about the Raiders and why I felt we could always beat them is "... I always would tell our players, if you just hang in there with the Raiders, they will find a way in the end to lose themselves."

"Shoty Marty" da "HateTripper"...Who never made the big dance....But had a record of whipping our asses from the "DawgPound" to "SquawValley" to "SeaWorld"....

Now too old to plunder but still "Wags-da-Dawg"....

PantyRaider....Hope Something Can Fires These Boyz Up!!!/_

1:46 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

His quote sounds pretty accurate to me. If Cable can't get our guys properly motivated, maybe Shotty can.

Hopefully, Cable didn't put it on the bulletin board because he thinks Shotty is wrong. It should be on there because he's right.

That said, with our DC talking about his "winning formula" in the wake of getting steamrolled, I'm not sure what the coaches believe.

2:00 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

After years of reading Gary's posts, my IQ has dropped

How on earth would you know? And how could any of us tell?

2:01 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Raider Take said...

have unrealistic expectations during periods of success. It's a fan thing, not a Raiders fan thing.

Point made... especially since this is the only team I follow.

Still doesn't make it right.

And I still don't understand it.

I truly believe many if not most Raider fans didn't enjoy much of our three year run... simply because we "didn't win the big one."

The way I look at it, that run made me capable of withstanding this 7+ year run... I am forever grateful to St. Gruden for that.

Those were the best times of my life as a football fan... simply because all of the other championship seasons was done without the benefit of watching every game (The Raiders were on here 6 games a year tops in that era.)

I'm still hopeful for another three year run like that again soon. I think it will be sooner rather than later. We have a very young team here yet.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Is poor Waste crying again? About the bad posters? Toughen up and don't act like you aren't taking swipes without naming names, King O child.

If Gary doesn't want to be called names, then keep my name out of his posts = simple. Notice they have no arguments so now they play the "yank the chain" game. Plenty of posts talking football and then the "crew" chimes in with Yank o chain. Now they say "stop it, or I'm going to tell on you". Freakin kids.


2:10 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

A three-year run of winning seasons would be like the most magnificent oasis in the vastest of deserts. Consider me very thirsty.

2:11 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"I truly believe many if not most Raider fans didn't enjoy much of our three year run... simply because we "didn't win the big one."..."

Yeah, they are called the "crew". They hate the fact that the Raiders won despite Al. It wasn't done Al's way so it doesn't really count. How many on here still loathe those days? Many times the "crew" has written off those days as not really being Raider ball. I say the "crew" speaks out of both sides of their mouth = don't fly straight.


2:15 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"After years of reading Gary's posts, my IQ has dropped

How on earth would you know? And how could any of us tell?"

Thought you didn't read my posts, another lie from good ole Gary.


2:18 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Raider Take said...

A three-year run of winning seasons would be like the most magnificent oasis in the vastest of deserts. Consider me very thirsty.

If we keep drafting linemen instead of speed, your thirst will be quenched as soon as next year.

I know... you have heard it all before... but this team is growing in front of us. The running game is suddenly top notch, and the defense has glimpses of being at least decent.

QB play is no longer the worst in the league.

These are things that don't happen haphazardly.

2:18 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Thought you didn't read my posts, another lie from good ole Gary.

I said I _rarely_ read your posts JONES.

I know how much of a hard-on you get thinking I do read them, but trust me, you are usually the first person I skip over here.

Its called" "Not feeding the troll."

2:21 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I do think that Jones has a point regarding the Gruden era. There has been a lot of disdain expressed here for Gruden and some of the others who were instrumental in that period of success, and a general dismissal of that period as not so great.

And those comments weren't made in 2001, but over the past year.

Also, even if we do return to the good old days of 10 and 12 wins, that doesn't mean I won't be critical when I feel criticism is merited. There were times when Gruden irked me with his conservatism, for example.

But a team that is consistently good will get consistently good takes. A team that is consistently bad, not so much.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Yes...If we are generally pos but also realistic and see that this week's game may be out of reach statistically than we become targets of their projected "Gloom" on us....Like any of that could possibly stick...

I'm not simply going to write this one off because of stats... I am more worried about our injuries across both lines, and how conservative our DC can get.

If we are going to run our base 4 at Rivers the entire game like last time we played him (What did Rivers say... "Did they blitz me even once?" we're looking at a two TD spread. Maybe even an embarrassing loss if the offense can't get on track.

Now I don't think SD EXPECTS us to blitz, so maybe Marshall will pull a Phili game out of his ass and blitz the shit out of him... that is our only chance to win, IMO.

I don't think SD is going to kill us on the ground like Houston did (although they might try) so the game will be on Rivers.

I think Gradkowski and Bush will do fine, so I predict 20+ points again... the key is how many pts our defense allows Rivers.


2:46 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

RT... you have been pretty good about being more balanced this year... I have noticed this... and that is to be commended.

And I too criticized St. Gruden and even Gannon when I thought they deserved it. His conservative play calling cost us a ring when he stubbornly tried to run vs the best run defense in the history of the NFL (Balt 2000) IMO.

OTOH... I do remember after he was traded, saying to a friend of mine that said he was GLAD he was gone.. "You are going to EAT those words."

Most of my problems with the "St. Gruden" buzz here is everyone giving him ALL of the credit and little to none of it to Al... plus it is FAIR to point out besides him hitting the lottery with TB the next season, he has been a pretty piss average coach... especially on the offenses he coached.

I think that is fair.

If Al fires Cable this off-season (which sadly might happen regardless of record) would St. Gruden be on the top of my list to replace him? Fucking A YEA!!

2:56 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

More on Gruden... I'd love to meet him in a bar sometime and ask if he would do anything differently in that AFC championship game. I know next to nothing about coaching an actual team, but I said before the game we should scrap the playbook and play "hair on fire" offense, and I think Gannon would have loved it, and responded in kind. By that I mean, no-huddle, play action pass every play (they were expecting us to run with the number one rushing offense that year) tricks plays up the gazoo...

The no-huddle alone might have done the trick... remember the fat ass linemen (Sarigusa, and Adams) they rotated out every third down... WHY LET THEM DO THIS??? Keep the fat asses on the field on third and long!!

Grrrrrr.... gripes my ass every time I think about it because the Giants in the SB were dead meat for Gannon. A 4th SB ring gone because of St. Grudens insistence on playing straight up run against Balt.

3:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"I truly believe many if not most Raider fans didn't enjoy much of our three year run... simply because we "didn't win the big one."

You are obviously entitled to your beliefs (and opinions) Gary but this couldn't be further from the truth.

What you had during this 3 year run are Raider fans who were naturally proud of the team, enjoyed the high level brand of football, and had a "fan" swagger.

Game day was a joy because you truly BELIEVED the team could beat any team. It was a wonderful feeling.

Reading positive articles throughout the week was a joy because you couldn't wait for the next game to BEAT the opponent down. The "ride" itself was thrilling and enjoyable on every level.

My sense in talking with my friends who are Raider fans and my friends who are fans of other teams is that all one can hope for is the OPPORTUNITY to have a legit shot at winning the BIG ENCHILADA trophy.

My point is that during this 3 year run, the journey was FANtastic even if the final destination wasn't the Lombardi winner's circle.

4:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


I represent that comment...

Yes...You are only as good as your last game/deed and his was to quit on our team and force a trade for which I do not/will not forgive......

Now were there some Pos...Truly there was...Were there some Neg...There was plenty of that too...Was it all him -n- Allan...Absolutely NOT...And that's what Gary touched on...All the credit goes to Gruden/Allan while all the blame is heaped upon Mr Davis which is totally unrealistic to say the least....

Balance is a major concern when discussing that period on this board....


It's possible that we win but just highly improbable all things considered....So I posted what I felt would be the outcome...A loss to a superior team on paper...

Injuries/Passive "D"/Screwed-Up "OL"/Little "WR" Involvement/13 Straight Losses....Did I miss something....Going against the top "O"-n-"D" in the game today...

PantyRaider...Hope They Shoot Themselves In The Foot!!!!/_

10:45 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PR, I would say that, yes, give Mr. Davis his due credit for that success.

I would add, however, that the degree to which you give Mr. Davis credit for that success should be therefore commensurate to the degree that you give him credit for our failures over the past 7+ years. And perhaps more so, since he has abandoned the winning model of having a strong GM-type, and has gone it alone on that front.

It is precisely the credit that I give Davis for our success in 2000-2002 that is responsible for the credit I give him for our fortunes ever since.

11:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's the same discussion over and over. Blame anyone and everyone but the man in charge.

Al Davis has never been more responsible for the successes and failures of the Raiders than he is right now, and has been for the last several years.

He decided, against his own better judgement, to go it alone.

This team is ALL Al Davis, for better or for worse. Some of you prefer it that way, which I can kind of understand because your loyalties run deep.

I too remain loyal to Al Davis the owner. But I gave up on Al Davis the GM a while ago.

IMO, the Raiders situation has been akin to waiting for the car to hit the tree before applying the breaks.

We've already crashed. But nobody wants to clean up the wreckage. We keep trying to drive the same broken car (into the same tree).

Enough is enough. The man has become fragile, and it reflects in his performance as GM. It’s embarrassing for any loyal fan of Al Davis, the owner.

6:02 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New take is up.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

sure Gary, I live for you reading my posts. Your arrogance and ego is your own worst enemy.


1:12 PM  

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