Sunday, October 04, 2009

One Postgame Take

Ladies and gentleman, what we have here, just four games into the season, after setting an NFL record for consecutive years of 11 or more losses, is yet another dumpster fire.

When will it end?
Today’s first graders were tumbling out of the womb the last time we consistently played competent football. Two presidential elections have been held in the time it took Rich Gannon to go from team leader to banned in Alameda.

When I pointed out earlier this year that our head coaching “search” was a farce, that our resistance to hiring a general manager was reckless, that our draft was bungled and that our preseason was an exercise in bad mojo, I was pilloried here for being “negative.” In fact, people are still wagging their finger at me for being “negative.”

What some folks call “negative,” I call simple observation.
It's up to the Raiders, not me, to change the tone of the conversation. Don't like negative? Do something positive.

Today, we had a chance to prove that last week’s game was an aberration, not a sign. We had a chance to right the ship. Instead, we steered it straight into the iceberg. We couldn’t catch, we couldn’t tackle, and we couldn’t coach.

In the three drafts since the offensive debacle of 2006, we have chosen three offensive skill players in the first round. And yet, a quarter of the way through this season, against less-than-stellar competition, our offense is rivaling the incompetence of the 2006 model.

We have scored three offensive touchdowns in four games, which means we’re on pace for 12 total. Would you like your breakfast in bed?
We're serving the 2006 Special this morning.

Don’t look now, because here come the Giants, Eagles and Jets. This could get a lot uglier in a hurry.

But maybe I’m just being negative?


Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

"Blowing up the building and starting over."

Blaming? Nope I'm officially done.

But there's 13 games left. Really?

At this point, the next 3 games there is no way we'll win. I mean come on NY Giants, Philly, and the Jets.

Now I just require the post-aftermath of Gannon's quote.

2:05 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Hey Take,

You forgot can't block. It looked like rush hour back there today. The line had no push on running plays and pass protection was near non-existent. Two straight weeks of seeing the clown car. I've got to laugh to keep from crying.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

on the bright side, we still have great uniforms.

and no one can work an overhead projector like al davis.

2:06 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Careful raider00,

That overhead projector might be warming up if this keeps up.

2:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Clearly, this is the dumbest team in football, from the GM right down.

I have tickets to next week's game in NJ, which I purchased prior to the season... of course thinking the Raiders would field a competitive team. Wow, was I wrong.

As it stands, I don't think I'll make the effort. I might just eat the $200.

Talk about wasting money, can Al Davis even afford another top 3 draft choice?

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to break the paper bags out for when the Eagles come to town on October 18th. My friends and I will be sitting up in Mt. Davis with our paper bags with the tears drawn in on them.

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to see if Mr. Davis will allow J'barfus Russell to change his number to # 1 on his jersy, he deserves to be number one not number 2, he's by far the best qb in the NFL. He's coming along very well. Just give him a little more time. "Ol' mushmouth asskinson" says it best, you gotta stay with your man! Go "nation".

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

Wow! I've never seen a more pathetic display of offense as I have the last 2 weeks. Again, I think having 2 rookies at the #1 and 2 slots at WR doesn't help JaMarcus; but it doesn't negate his bad decisions either.

Of course on the Safety, Fargas was running up the middle. We have too many young guys at key positions on offense. Our special teams are just as bad right now too. I feel ill, and it's not swine, it's Raideritis. Right now, the only thing worst than watching the Raiders is going to see my proctologist; either way it's a no win situation.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the lowest the Raiders have been in their history. They are horrendous. Russell is a complete bust, which will set the franchise back years, sad, sad, sad

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry nation, cable will be in the slammer in another couple of days, soon as the NFL suspends him for the broken jaw incident! Just more of the conspiricy the NFL has against the Raiders.

5:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's so bad, you really can't point a finger at any one or two or three things. It's everything! Hell, the refs even managed to get in their requisite weekly bogus call (on Murphy).

5:21 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I don't think I ever bitched that you are too negative RT... just that you constantly whine like a 13 year old.

But yes.. there isn't much to see positive here since game one, I agree... but here goes:

-The defense showed up for most of the second half of this game.

-Our kicker has been perfect in FG's so far this season.

Guess thats about it... now back to our regularly scheduled whining...

5:58 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Whining, hah! You sound like Herrera talking about Rich Gannon.

Now back to our regularly scheduled enabling, excusing and namecalling...

6:07 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Look who is calling who a 13 year old.....unbelievable. RT has become the whipping boy for the grusome gang. Ban them all Take, maybe you will get a new clientel in here, people who will see it for what it is and not their dreamy BS.

Where are the gang anyways? RT was hitting record #'s for posts because the babblers couldn't stop crowing about how much better they are because they were POSITIVE. They were positve that it had all turned around...even Gary said that we were so dumb for not seeing how different it was with Cable at HC.

Now the disinfo gang are wanting to hang Cable and blame him....these guys are as low on character as the dumbass players the Raiders go after year after year. Their inability to see the TRUTH is absolutely horrible. When their ability is exposed, they attack those who have been telling them that their dreams are false. Hey, all you positive dopes, get a real brain and stop fighting will ALWAYS come around and kick your ass.


6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary, I actually think you are John Herrera. What is wrong with you? SUCKASS!

7:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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8:36 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Let's take it easy on the namecalling and personal stuff, folks. Things are bad enough without it.

8:38 PM  
Blogger x said...

Wow! And this was after a "great" week of practice!

Yep, sure looks like the team is "on the brink", as Cable said....but the brink of what exactly?

9:15 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

McFadden 1 reception
Bush 3 carries

I'm sorry but from purely a game plan, playcalling, stategical standpoint, this is unacceptable.

Your best inside rusher (Bush) needs to get more than 3 carries to establish a rhythm. This is deja vu from last year when Cable didn't use Bush until the final game when he was forced to by injuries.

Your best big weapon threat, playmaker (McFadden) needs to get more than 1 touch to bolster the passing attack. How many times in this game did you see McFadden in motion, in the slot, split wide, take a direct snap?

Going into a game, Cable needs to be saying basically "Come hell or high water, I'm going to make sure that I use McFadden in the passing game and stay with Bush in the running game".

Instead, Fargas gets 3x the number of carries than Bush and the same number of touchs in the passing game as McFadden.

I realize we've got a ton of problems that are setting us back but quite frankly, I'm sick to my stomach about how our personnel is being used.

When you've got a QB struggling it is only natural to use your RBs and TEs more in the passing attack. For the day, our RBs had 3 total receptions.

9:47 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Giant's must be licking their chops right now. They can take the week off and rest.

If Al Davis fires Cable right now, we can get a head start on 2010, while secure in the knowledge that we can draft another speedy WR with our top 3 draft pick.

4:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When we have a coach that demands things be run on the field his way, we get conflict with Al (Kiffin, Gruden). When Al wins that fight (he always does) we go back to "figure heads" running inept schemes on both sides of the ball (Bugel, Shell, Turner, Cable).
Don't blame the players. No QB can succeed in this environment..much less an undeveloped one. We've see a dozen QBs fail this way. No offensive player ever succeeds when we have the "igure head" coach. Same situation on the D.
The only coaches we get are guys who can't get the same jobs elsewhere.
The problems with the raiders are easy to see. and it's not the players.
Nick Saban, Jommy Johnson, Parcells... and a host of other dynamic coaches... could take our current roster and make us very competitive.
We need a REAL, PROVEN coaching staff that is given autonomy.
Heck, I'm surprised Al doesn't just let Willie Brown be HC. He's been there for the last 40 years on the staff right? At least our guys are getting taught the proper technique for covering Lance Alworth.

5:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all you folks lobbying for more carries for Bush I guess you feel our O-Line is so superior that it can take on nine man fronts and open holes. Until Russell and the receivers proves they can complete passes with some sought of consistency therw will be no running game boys. It's a "turkey-shoot" right now for opposing defenses.


5:35 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Defending the Raiders offense is like fishin' with dynamite. We just made the worst run D in the NFL look all-world.

Bama - I understand what you're saying and mostly agree, but players are out there laying eggs on their own too. Russell is no exception.

6:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole issue is the O-line.
Sure the WR's are an issue as well (and you can say Jamarcus, but I think his issues are becuase of items 1 and 2).

When our RG went down, we moved the LG to RG, the center to LG, and brought in a new center.

The next play they got the safety, then ran back the free kick.

You want to blame Jamarcus, go ahead. I think he's servicable, but the O-line has to get fixed first.

They probably camped 8 in the box all day didn't they? We can't have gone in more opposite directions than the niners. For the record, I wanted to hire Singletary when we ended up with Lance.

But, with singletary, we would have players crying like babies like when Art came back. "wah, wah! The hill is to steep! ", and Al would Mike, "you can't put my babies on that hill, and Mike would have been gone after a year.

Mentally tough. We have a few players that are, but as a team we are not.


6:41 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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7:04 AM  
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7:18 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, this is certainly not what I wanted.

I wanted the Raiders to do the right thing: hire a GM, hire a qualified head coach and draft wisely with a focus on the trenches, among other things.

I wanted all Raiders fans to push for real change, not excuse and enable what was clearly yet another bang-your-head-on-the-wall offseason.

Running away because you don't like negative commentary on a patently negative situation is not what the Raiders need. They need your tough love. They need you to speak out and say, Enough is enough.

The Raiders need a coach, they drag their feet, and long after every other NFL team is squared away, they announce the hiring of a new head coach with questionable qualifications (limited, outdated or no NFL experience). And we thought it would work this time?

Go look up Cable on Wikipedia. What on his resume says, "NFL head coach material?"

People always bring up Gruden as an example of why it could work. Gruden studied under Mike Holmgren for five years and was an NFL offensive coordinator for two years before being tapped by Davis.

Tom Cable was an offensive line coach under Jim Mora and Lane Kiffin for two years before being named interim head coach.

And yet he was going to call the plays and turn the ship around?

I guess he still could, never say never, but dude's got a lot of work to do.

7:33 AM  
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7:48 AM  
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8:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sick of fellow Raider fans accusing ME of being negative.... I'm hard on my football team the way that I'm hard on my family... if they're doing something that is not in their best interest - I"m going to call them on it because I care...... I can handle losing - this is a young team completely void of leadership.. but I can NOT tolerate quitting, and four weeks into the season, I see a complete lack of effort. Not just Russell's fault, but he is a huge part of the problem. The sooner this "administration" cuts their losses and moves on - the better.


8:38 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As RT has pointed out time and again, there is a difference between whining and stating the facts.

Case & point: J-Mac after the game.

"Murphy is either in denial or plans on pulling the Raiders up to the standard of winning achieved at Florida, insisting with a raised voice in the locker room that the Raiders were “really good” and suggesting fans not believe what the media says about them. (Like, for instance, that they’re 1-3, this season, 25-75 over their last 100 games and haven’t scored a touchdown in the last eight quarters)."

I can't accept the notion that the Raiders were "really good" Sunday, nor can I accept that the media is generally wrong in their assessment of a team that can't buy a first down with all their high-priced player contracts.

Folks, what we are watching now is not about bad QB or line play, or rookie WRs, poor tackling, or even bad coaching. These are merely the symptoms of years and years of poor management and poor decision-making... like it or not.

Under competent management, one would think that after six seasons since this team fell off the charts, the rebuilding would be at or nearly completed; yet, we are far from it.

How many more seasons of epic failure will some of you need to see this?

The Raiders continue to fail while far less celebrated teams like the Falcons, Saints, Cardinals, etc. rebuild into successful franchises, and iconic teams like the Steelers continue to get it right year after year.

We should agree to share a courtesy and stop pretending like the present failures are just happenstance. At the very least, let’s all agree that the Raiders weren’t “really good” on Sunday.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


It's the o-line.
You can't judge the QB or Cable accurately right now because our oline is soo poor.

Gallery was our best guy, and we were fair/medeocre at best. Look at all the negative plays, they were in the backfield constantly when we ran.

Don't give me "Oh, the coach should be able to handle it..", how do you handle not having the tallent at O-line? Mario MIGHT be a good LT one day, maybe he is already, but that's ALL WE HAVE!

Hope they get that Cable/Hanson crap rapped up quick. We already have to go all the way to NY to play the giants, and now Tom has to go to the principals office while he is there.


PS: I would like to say 'don't worry, as soon as the o-line gells we'll be OK.", but the sad truthe is it takes several years to assemble a line, and usually several more for the line to gell.

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As many of us have been stating over the past few years, the Raiders will not turn this around without a fundamental organizational shift.


10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just when we thought things could not get much worse, they are... and rapidly.

Cable needs to step down. This legal thing is not going away. Raiders say it is not a distraction, but I don't see how it can't be. He is facing possible arrest and suspension.

Not that Cable stepping down will make a bit of difference. It has become painfully clear (to me, finally after 6 1/4 pitiful seasons) that the Raiders will not have another winning season until Al Davis is no longer the owner/GM.


11:20 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Moshbucket - so why do you suppose the Raiders are so far behind in terms of their O-line? Years and years that you suggest as being necessary to build and gel an o-line have already passed since Barrett Robbins went AWOL. How can we only have one or two salvageable o-line players after seven years?? On the surface, that sounds impossible. In reality, it's exactly where we are.

It's even more dreadful that Davis has promoted two former o-line coaches to HC, and even mixed in some HOF (former o-line) talent to coach the o-line, and we still can't get it right.

11:20 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"panty-o-raider" sure likes to whine himself, doesn't he. He whines that others are peeing on his parade, he is threatening to run away because people are calling out the organization for it's lack of everything......he talks about the "crew" not being here because they just can't stand all the lies that some posters are spreading about the organization.

PURE HYPOCRICY, he knows there is no one else to blame for the mess called Raiders. So, in his last gasp attempt he attacks those who continue to point out why the team sucks. Telling the "gloom and doomers" that we are poisoned because we have stopped trying to rationalize the obvious ineptness of the organization. news for you, you are the whiner, you are the kind that brings down the org, you are the one that cannot accept TRUTH. So you throw tantrums and accuse others of being exactly what you are. This is behavior of an immature kid, sorry you haven't grown up yet and obtained the ability to observe and accept reality.

It wasn't Bugel's fault, it wasn't Turner's fault, it wasn't Art's fault, it wasn't Kiffin's fault and it isn't Cable's fault. These guys are not NFL HC'S, so how can they be blamed? If Al came up to you and told you " we can make this work ( being HC)" you would jump at it in a second. Just like these non-HC's did, now who can blame them? I'll tell who can, those who cannot admit the truth, those who run from the truth like a scared rabbit.

The Truth is slapping all Raider fans in the FACE again. Only those with GUTS stand in there and tell the truth. It doesn't take courage to deflect the TRUTH or to dance around it. STAND UP AND TELL THE WORLD THE TRUTH, THIS IS WHAT CHARACTER IS BUILT ON. This is why the organization fails, NO ONE WILL STAND UP TO AL DAVIS AND TELL THE TRUTH. This is why it is up to the FANS to stand up and be heard. We hold the ultimate card, so who has the guts to stand up???????


11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an optimist by nature. It kills me to be so negative about the team I have routed for my entire life.

I promise not to blog again on this site until I have something positive to say. It might be a while.


11:32 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Well, according to Mosh, it takes "years and years" to build an o-line. Years and years to develop a QB, years and years to build chemistry.....funny, I see teams turn their lines around in a year or 2, I see QB's in first or 2nd year become legit starters. This is the same Mosh that said Murp's catch was a non-catch. Sorry Mosh, your cred is going down....


11:36 AM  
Anonymous blackbagonia said...

RT, you are being negative. You're a total downer.

To steal a line from another circus (Monty Python"s) "always look on the bright side of life".

At least we know our head coach can kick some a$$ off the field. And, hey, JaMarcus looked awsome. Definitely a pro bowl performance if only his receivers had "more confidence" (wait - in them selves or in their quarterback?).

This is a disturbing trend that is not changing, and shockingly seems to have festered this year despite an offseason facade of progress.

But - "at least their eatin'!"

11:42 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"always look on the bright side of life".

Yeah sure, did you notice the part of the movie when they sing this diddy? It's when they are being crucified....I'm sure that's reality...just like your reference.

Under different names, but same spelling and message....just stop with the lies would ya. It is nothing less of SICKNESS.


1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Russell and the passing game was nowhere near as bad as this last year. Teams had to play a little more honest. The last few games of 08 the passing game was pretty good. Right now they are just packing it in tight and we can't do shit about it unless the passing game starts clicking. Anybody got Garcia's cell #?


2:42 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Interesting Tweets from J-Mac:

“AP's Josh Dubow, the best stats guy in the press room, reports only three QBs have had games below 40 pct. All are named JaMarcus Russell.”

“McFadden out two to four weeks with meniscus tear, to have surgery, Cornell Green out at least two weeks with calf injury . . ..”

Wow, how far will the Raiders drop at RT with Green out? They suck with him in there.

Also, I think I Manning is out, but not sure.

3:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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7:35 PM  
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7:35 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"There is NO-thing we can say or do as fans that will effect a single change in that front office....Nothing."

That quote looks very much like a quote from an Al Davis employee....who else could spread such lies?

Oh, you are wrong again ole beer and cigarette breath. Like I said, if you condone what is the Raiders of today (Al Davis), you must be an employee.

The fans can do very much to influence Al Davis, it's just whether or not they want to go through with it. Problem is, too many people like you, who will spend their cash on a product that is inferior, over a long period of time. It is time for the nation as one, to stand up against the power that continues to make our beloved team fail.

This is what takes guts, not clinging to some idea that is way beyond proving that it is a failure. To go into a new beginning, with a new way...the past is gone, to quote the guy named Steven Tyler.


8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know I said I would not post again unless it was positive, but Panty asked me a question and I feel obligated to answer.

How can it be Davis' fault? If Cable was not the Raiders HC he would be a damn good offensive line coach for some other team, but no way a HC or even OC. No credible coach in the NFL would even glance at the Raiders HC position. That is why we ended up with Shell, Kiffen, Cable.... That is Davis' fault.

I have been managed by good managers and bad managers. I have been a manager myself. I know how much that position sets the tone for an entire organization. It can be the difference between success and failure. Davis has failed to set a winning tone. Coaches have come and gone, players have come and gone, yet this culture of failure has stayed the same. That is Davis' fault.

And we are not talking about 1 or 2 failed seasons. We are talking about 6 1/4 failed seasons. That is Davis' fault.


9:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A few things need to happen to turn this franchise around.

(1) Hire a capable GM.

The GM would be directly involved (acting as a true partner to Davis) in overseeing the scouting department, the draft, and most importantly, the recruiting, evaluation, and selection of a Head Coach.

(2) Hire a proven head coach.

To attract and hire a proven head coach requires (a) A GM already in place (b) the full authority to hire his own staff and (c) to run whatever type of offense/defense that he sees fit.

The likelihood of finding someone Davis trusts enough to be a GM/partner seems remote at best.

The chances of hiring a well qualified Head Coach under the current cirucmstances is a major longshot.

10:08 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It seems quite obvious what the Raiders is mind boggling that some still can't see it. It's been obvious since Al fired Shell I... Al lost Wolf, Raiders have never been the same. Floundered through the 90's. Al hires Gruden over Bellichek, west coast offense is installed with Gannon brought in by Gruden ( perfect storm).

At this time, we see an Offense never used in Raider history. Al seems to back off on dominating the team with scheme and personel decisions.

Gruden has a fallout and wants out. Callahan is installed, Al gets a year out of him and what comes next is a disaster.

It becomes a repeat of the 90's, with Al hiring puppet coaches who are to take the Raiders back in time. "We take what we want, not what they give" trying to rely on speed and athleticism to overcome lack of scheme and or coaching...stretch the field and play basic man to man defense, as Steve Young explained on Monday Night.

Offense was/is very basic, reminiscent of 60's/70's offense. Defense is very reminiscent of 60's/70's defense. HC's that lose respect of the team. Teams that have discipline problems no matter what the names were on the jersey's.

Who is to blame, who's ego is bigger and more important than results and the health of the team????? The facts will tell you who the culprit is, if ya can't see it by now...WOW, you MUST BE BLIND.


11:03 PM  
Anonymous Casper87 said...

RT, those who accuse you of negativity have a name too. They are called Kool Aid drinkers.

1:17 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

When your business fails for one or two years, maybe you can blame your staff; but when failure reaches its seventh year, there’s nowhere else to turn. Poor decisions for seven years go straight to the top dog.

I think we’ve all pointed fingers at the players and coaches long enough. At this point, criticisms of the Raider organization are barely subjective, and they are more than justified.

PR - you said: “The "D" is improving steadily without "SOB"s influence...We are now at #18 instead of #32 so let's all hope this trend continues....”

This appears to be the same false reading we got in 2006. This is what happens when teams blow you out early and only need to sit on the clock the rest of the game. It’s not a good trend at all.

As J-mac pointed out, the defense gave up 259 yards on 9 plays in the first half on Sunday. That’s almost 30 yards per play. No team can win with those stats.

4:43 AM  
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7:35 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, what would you like me to write about?

Do you really want me to just ignore wins and losses, a 1-3 record, an in-over-his-head coach and a bilblically awful offense and write about...what, exactly? Sunshine and lollipops?

Do you really want me to tout a defense that is ranked 26th against the rush AFTER the drama acquiring Richard Seymour? Have we gotten to the point where we are happy just to have our former DC failing instead of our own team succeeding?

Do you want me to sing the praises of the executives who have presided over this multi-year debacle? What have they done to deserve praise?

I'm not sure what you are expecting here. When the Raiders play well, the conversation will change accordingly.

7:53 AM  
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8:13 AM  
Blogger acee8 said...

I agree take. One of the reasons I left another site is because I was voicing my opinion, although somewhat negative. I wanted ochocinco and Garcia. JM I don't believe will be the answer. I wonder if the rest of the team knows that and have let up. Why bust your butt when the qb can't do the job.
I don't like be negative about the Raiders but we can be critical. And believe me, being critical is warranted. We all know they will be back, but at what cost and when. We have mortgaged the farm now

8:39 AM  
Blogger acee8 said...

Calico, no proven coach in his right mind would even think about coming here. Someday maybe.

8:49 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, we are on pace to win four games this year, and we haven't even hit the hard part of the season. We are ranked 26th in rushing defense. We have scored three offensive touchdowns.

Yet you want me to write love letters to our defense and talk about how great it is to have a good tight end?

The Lions had some good players on their team last year. Should their fans have been happy?

At the rate of "improvement" that you are seeing, it will take us about two or three more years to reach .500.

How can you justify it taking 10 years to reach .500?

Go back to my take after the first week of the season. It was largely positive. Why? Because it was justified. Right now, it's not. Sorry. Go out and beat the Giants, or at least keep it interesting, and my perspective will change accordingly.

9:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...


Upon further review....

This board was crying "Woe" before the 1st toss of a god damn coin if you can remember that far back and I totally rejected your "Give Al His Credit" post saying it was setting the table for "Blame" later when you could put everything bad upon his shoulders...Guess I wasn't far off on that point now was I...

You were down Al's throat from the get-go on the Seymour deal which has turned out to be a damn good trade despite his failure to turn an entire "D" around over-night and you have failed to post credit for a draft that in the 2nd rd and later appears to have landed some decent starting talent despite the injuries and also you have failed to acknowledge any credit for the 2-3 un-drafted "FA"s who are/will contribute to the "ST"s and "DL"...

So...In keeping with the pattern set by you your self I will consider posting again IF/WHEN this board exhibits a "Decent" Raider Attitude where by both "Positive-n-Negative" are given equal consideration instead of "Name-Calling" because some dare to see some good left in our dieing franchise and continue to hold respect for an aging owner who gave us the greatest years of his life and has sacrificed everything for his team....

In case you didn't notice I just "Checked-Out"...

PantyRaider....Good Night!!!/_

As for JonAss/Fiada-Boy/Shadow....

Show your fuckin faces bitch....I will post my comment on your god damn sculls.....

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Panty, looks like you're about the only one on this board anymore that can feel positive. More power to you... cuz I just see nothing to get positive about.
The current situation just looks way too much like failed years past.
We're headed for a new coach soon unless something unbelievable happens. And since Al will not be able to get a top-notch coach in here, he'll end up pulling in a coach that was once decent but who now has nowhere else to go... a denny green or jim fassell. That's what's next for us.
If ever there was a situation that screamed for a parcells, shottenheimer or jimmy johnson, we are it. It is gong to take a huge, strong personality to turn us around... unfortunately we know how those personalities go over with the man upstairs.
Shottenheimer would be my choice. If he was here and had his say we'd at least have a very tough, physical, smart football team.

9:39 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"As for JonAss/Fiada-Boy/Shadow....

Show your fuckin faces bitch....I will post my comment on your god damn sculls....."

You want me to fly to Cambodia? I would love to meet up with you and I would love to see you try and do anything to my skull.

Panty, you are the biggest baby on this whine and stomp and tell us all that you won't post UNTIL you get it your way. Yeah, real tough guy. I'm glad that you take it like such a man...remember...this is a man's game...

Is this how you acted when your Commanding Officer told you to go clean the latrine's? That he wasn't being positive because the other guys kept it fairly clean already? Do you always asked to be coddled from the truth?


9:39 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"So I asked...Was the "JawBone" Al's fault too...The lack of motivation of the players is that all on Al's shoulders too....Not to mention the un-faithfulness of a significant part of the fan-base.."

Well is it is Al's fault, as I wrote in an earlier post. Al kept Hanson on the staff, he was an obvious problem to what Cable wanted and it came to a boiling point..again, truth, you have so much trouble with it.

Lack of motivation...hmmm, let's see, this problem has been throughout Raider teams since the late 80's. Different coaches, different players and it is the same ole story....who else do you hold accountable for it??????

Unfaithfullness from a significant part of the fan base....well yes Al is at fault for this. The fan base has been very patient, even went through a period of Al taking the team away from the fan base. Welcomed him back with open arms just to be treated poorly again. You blame the fans over Al........YOU MUST BE John Herrera. No other person could suck on Al's nut sack as much as you do without some kind of money being exchanged.


9:52 AM  
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9:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"This board was crying "Woe" before the 1st toss of a god damn coin...."

Honestly, the writing has been on the wall for much longer. If we're only looking at this season (microcosm), than it began with allowing some key members of the coaching staff get away without overture; then a totally underwhelming HC search, that was dragged out inexplicable while a mystery candidate was considered.

Tom Cable seems like a great guy (except to Hanson perhaps), but does he have what it takes to head coach an NFL team and call all the offensive plays? So far, the obvious answer is no.

As far as D stats, 259 yards on 9 plays isn't something even most good teams could overcome. The Raiders have demonstrated for years a tendency to give up big plays in bunches... a pattern we can’t break even with SOB gone.

And giving up over 20 points a game isn't too reassuring that we have improved on defense.

10:03 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Morro Bay, Ca....November...

"MV" Severn Dragon...

I never hide bitch..."

Yeah, so, what does it mean? Talk directly into the microphone, write something that can be understood. Hidden messages mean nothing....just tell the TRUTH.


10:36 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Come on, folks, keep it civil and focused. Let's fix the Raiders.

10:41 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

“I don’t want to beat a dead horse here, but it’s come to my attention that he has been fined heavily already for being overweight and for being late to meetings. And, he’s already missed one meeting. I’m telling you right now, the other 52 guys on that roster are looking at Tom Cable. They’re looking at Al Davis, and they’re saying we deserve better than this. That’s why every time he goes on the field, what’s the quarterback’s job – to be the leader of the other men on the field with them; to inspire them to greater heights. Right now, he is holding them back. Even though there’s not a great alternative, there has to be a change at quarterback, especially if he plays poorly today against a banged up Houston defense.”

Boomer Esiason's take.


10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY Raider-

See you at the game this Sun. I'll be the one wearing the Blitnekoff jersey and wearing the bag over my head.


11:58 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

there are only 2 realistic paths for the raiders to now walk.

1) after another dreadful season, al will bring back jon gruden.

since leaving oakland, gruden has said many nice things about the raiders, and al davis.

he did not burn the bridges, and as far as i know, he has not been "banned" by king al.

the question is, gruden is now a SB winner, and will command more money and more authority. would al give a little for the sake of winning ? prolly not.

2) retread road. jim fassel, denny green, or any faceless OL coach will do.

al feeds the fans more of the same crap.

looks for DB's, fast, fragile WR's, and big armed, lazy, dumb QB's, in off season.

totally ignores the 0line, DT, and LB positions.

plays same vanilla based offense, and defense scheme, and waits for fast fading "raider mystique", to win games.

these are the only realistic options i see out there for the raiders.

i love calico jacks idea of a GM with power, who brings in a big time HC.

but i just cannnot see this happening as long as emperor al is involved.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

What bothered me about J-Russ on Sunday was when he was on the sidelines when the defense was on the field. He had a towel over his head, drinking gatorade, alone on the bench.
He should have been with a coach looking at the defensive coverages, and assessing how to adjust to what they are showing him. You look at all the young QBs in this league, they are pouring over photos during the game with a coach to find an advantage; not J-Russ.
Top that off with the report of J-Russ being fined for his weight, missed meetings and workouts, and other things from Phil Simms; and you start thinking this is the cat that everyone says is just there to collect.
If this is the case, it makes you wonder how good our 2 rookie WRs really are?

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

CJ said, "The likelihood of finding someone Davis trusts enough to be a GM/partner seems remote at best."

What about Parcells, Tom Flores, Jim Fassell, Dennis Green, and all of Davis' "other" buddies for GM, since they would "all" love to work for him (according to Al)?

That is the problem, nobody wants to work with Al right now; and I don't think it's because of Al, I think it is his goons like Herrera around him. It's a joke of an organization right now, and that joke is reflected on the field.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

hey, there are reports going around that jruss is really jeff george with a tan.

2:09 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Easy there, JG put up 4k yards for us in one season! In fact, where's his phone number?

2:21 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...


sorry. i lost my head there for a second.

forget about george's #. how the hell can we reach donald hollis ????

2:24 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raidermike -

LOL! Two guys wearing paper bags on their heads should be easy to spot in a sea of Giants fans.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys havent been here in a minute...Wow you guys still going strong huh... RT lovely touch with the clowns lol. anyways heres my two cents. Start Bush and Louis Rankin!!! Louis Rankin has the IT FACTOR, when it comes to speed, power, shiftyness etc. its a blessing in the skys right there for the Raiders, just only if they can spot talent (BTW BlandaCock how you like JahDummy these days, big fat i told you so) and better calls from our couching staff goes a long ways too. Defense keep doing your thing, turnovers, three and outs, and putting the offense in scoring position is what i call making plays in my book, offense should look into that kind of stuff. Al Davis pride runs deeper than hells canyons, so till he dies we will continue to see puppet coachs like Cable (or behind bars soon, ugh only in Raiderland these days) and high draft picks and free agents not worthy to be in the pros (hey anyone seen Walker these days??)and a legitimate GM. Until then clown cars!!! LOL Fuck man love my Raydas! but I like someone else said I can only laugh instead of cry in light of WTF is going on here.......

4:12 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Folks, let's back away from the profanity, namecalling, etc.

It's hijacking this site. This site was never about that. I won't let it be.

The Raiders stink, it's frustrating, but let's remember, we're still all the Raider Nation.

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's simple algebra, if X = failure, X= "j-bustus", X= big smell (MR.) davis, X = thugsta gangsta fanatic base. X+X+X= faida "nation". As long as the faidaS = X+X+X, you will be equal to FAILURE!!!!!! just wake up babies. 1-15 is the result.

5:21 PM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

Who told people that "faidas" was a funny or insulting nickname? And the less said about "JaDummy" the better. I like a good derogatory nickname as much as anybody, but surely you can do better than that? Here, I'll help, perhaps Ja-miss-the-mark-us Bustell? That's already better. I mean, come on. "Mark" is right in his name, and he's had accuracy problems. And if you're going to shoehorn an insult in his name, do it in the part of his name that actually kinda rhymes with bust. Come on, anno, this is "Internet douchebag" 101 stuff.

6:05 PM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

One more thing: what the hell are you guys going to do if this team beats the Giants? Certainly not jump back on the bandwagon, right? Because that would be ridiculous, right? But whatever, don't worry about it. I'll leave to your fire and brimstone, discussions about who the head coach will be when the team goes 1-15, and holding up anonymous "league sources" as gospel. I'm going to go enjoy my life, maybe I'll play some drums today.

6:23 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If the Raiders beat the Giants, I will congratulate them, and say that maybe things aren't as bad as they looked the previous two weeks.

I go on the information the Raiders give me. Give me better information, you'll get a better opinion.

7:02 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I find it funny, we are mired in the worst stretch of losing IN NFL HISTORY, yet all I keep hearing is, it's not that bad.

It's not that bad? Compared to what, exactly?

Commitment to Excellence is apparently dead. Our new motto is, It Takes a Decade to Reach .500, and That's Okay with Me.

7:13 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Does anyone on this board honestly think that ...

(a) Al is seriously looking to find a GM?

If so, I guess I shouldn't be so damn impatient considering it has only been what 3+ years and counting since Lombardi aka "the fox in the hen house" left the building.

(b) A capable GM would come to work for Al in the traditional GM role?

Hiring a part time "consultant" doesn't count.

(c) Al would allow someone to assume the responsibilities normally associated with a true GM?

This situation is the equivalent of a full blown achoholic. The achoholic knows he has a problem. He knows he needs help. Yet he is too stubborn to seek help in spite of the detrimental effect it has on his health.

Honestly. How low do we have to sink before Davis seeks help and revamps how business is conducted in Alameda? 100 games is a shitload of games. It's well past "wait til next year when we draft Johnny Jet Legs from Auburn". When you have lost more games than every single franchise in the NFL over the past 100 games including the Lions than "tweaks" here, a few added players there, a new QB, a new HC ... yada, yada, yada.

What is sad to me is that Davis should want to get a GM. At his advanced age, he derserves to get some help. If he gets a capable GM and the franchises' fortunes are turned around he will still get his deserved credit. When the team is winning at a 25% clip there is simiply no credit to go around.

Door A
Allow the franchise to wallow in shame by not taking corrective action

Door B
Make organizational changes and bolster the executive support group to take another legitimate shot at glory

Is this a difficult choice?

7:54 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As sad as it is, most of us were happy to have actually put up a fight against the Chargers, despite the loss. Competitive football at last.

Then the Chiefs game was horrendous, yet we still managed to win on a late effort by an otherwise absentee Russell. That made it two weeks in the row that Russell played terribly, but showed poise in putting the Raiders in a position to win. Fortunately, we were playing the Chiefs.

The Broncos, with all their off-season turmoil, a rookie HC and having lost their pro-bowl QB, schooled us at every phase of the game.

Week four, we faced the worst team in the league against the run (#32) and they produced their best game in over a decade... we got stuffed like a turkey dinner. (I'll bet Cable now wishes he had focused more on the running game in camp and pre-season - instead of trying to make us into something we're not.)

And I'll admit, 259 yards on nine snaps in the first half is a pretty bizarre stat to cite, but extremely relevant nonetheless, as it rings all too familiar.

This puts us right back to that age-old question; who's at fault, the coaches or the players? Honestly, how many years in a row can we have this same discussion before we collectively realize, it's neither?

What if the Raiders beat the Giants? In 2006 we beat the Steelers. That didn't make us any better. Last year, we knocked off two playoff hopeful teams to end the season. That didn't make us any better.

The Raiders need professional help in a profound way. IMO, they need somebody with a completely objective, yet savvy football mind to come in and clean house. Unfortunately, we all know that could never happen.

Part of me is still a little taken by Cable's promise to the fans that we deserve better and the team would produce for us.

That's a pretty hollow promise when you put two rookie WRs out there with an inexperienced QB and a patchwork o-line, then watch them fail repeatedly without blinking. So what if Walker doesn't look "explosive." Why the hell are the Raiders keeping him on the roster?

I guess I can't blame Cable, because these aren't really his decisions to make, right?

8:16 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Hey pat

You sure didn't want to play the drums during the offseason. You were on here everyday bashing anyone who questioned, what is Alameda. Now all of those of you who bashed those who questioned, are NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. Except, to come on here and say that you are now too busy and it isn't really worth it.

If the Raiders beat the Giants, whoop deee dooo, will that erase all that has gone on for , how long? It would be great to see and would send shock waves through the NFL....but for the long term, it will take a lot more than a win here or there.

The hate that oozes from your post because people are standing up for the RAIDER FOOTBALL TEAM and it's fans, shows what you are made of.....

You guys don't have to go off sulking, you can still write your takes, just don't get ignorant, cause one day, it might come back on you....


8:53 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


It is a difficult choice for one man, it seems as though Al thinks he has to live up to his legend. He has to understand...he is just a man, like you and me, WE ALL NEED HELP AT 80 FREAKIN YEARS OLD. It would be a miracle if he was able to do all the things he tries to do at his age. It was way too much for him in the 90's let alone 2009. Al fights within himself at the detriment of the franchise. A man has got to know when to say when, he hasn't learned that lesson yet...accept for the time he hired Gruden and backed off a bit, but that ugly thing called ego kicked in and he wanted to go solo again....WE PAY, the players pay, the coaches pay...WHEN IS WHEN, AL DAVIS?


9:15 PM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

JONES, I guess I didn't realize I was that important to you. But sorry, man, I'm just not that into whining and self-flagellation. I don't know how I fit in with the gang at this moment.

So just forget about me for the time being. Tell Take how awesome he is again, he seems to like that a lot. You guys can have a great conversation about how you're both tortured geniuses and nobody understands you. But it just isn't my idea of a good time. H, Blanda and Panty being gone is just further incentive to maybe take a break.

And if you smell hate, check your upper lip.

9:54 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


It is not a difficult decision for Davis. It is a decision, just like a full blown alky, that he simply refuses to make. Whether it is ego, pride, a warped sense of reality, advanced age, or all of the above, the guy needs and deserves the help required to restore the dignity of HIS franchise.

All of us can go back and forth about whether we love, hate, respect, or understand Davis but this much is certain ... the one thing he loves besides himself is the Raiders. No one with any common sense or perspective can claim that an 80 year old man doesn't need the help and support of a GM.

My dad is 82 years old. He is in good physical health for an 82 year old man. He is not set back by any illness. Yet my dad struggles with the normal struggles and everyday functions of any 80 year old man ... memory, energy, focus etc. To think that an 80 year old man doesn't need the assistance to run a ultra competitive $1B business is absurd.

BP: It isn't whining or self flagellation to give honest opinions and observations about the current state of the Raiders franchise. I know it is a tough, bitter pill for Raider fans to come to grips with the FACT that we are the worst franchise the past 100 games. The vast majority of us are loyal, dedicated fans who genuinely want the team to get things turned around. Some of us just so happen to be skeptical about a positive turnaround happening without real changes with how the team is run.

When you really dig deep, what is there to be optimistic about? The next game? The next season? The next QB? The next Head Coach? The hiring of a GM? The next draft? The next shiny FA acquisition?

Right now our Head Coach is getting articles written about being jailed, suspended, fired, or over his head.

Right now our QB has played probably the worst 4 consecutive games EVER in the NFL history books. Our rushing attack is averaging a paltry 88 ypg. We are scoring less than 1 TD per game.
Our OLine has 1 good performer and 4 weak links/serviceable performers. We have 2 struggling staring rookie WRs. Our D is being gouged for big plays and against the run. We have piss poor return abilities and coverage on special teams.

What is the shining light? A good FG kikcer, good punter, good CB play, and decent pressure from our front 4.

All of this stuff didn't happen in a vacuum. This isn't just a bad start to a new season. You've got 100 games of data to pile over. What do you think needs to happen? Is it a matter of "staying the course" as Cable likes to say reduntantly? Or is it a more significant, tangible change to the stucture and culture itself?

For all of the Pollyannas who sing the praise of "Sunshine and Lollipops" you are only burying your head in the sand.

The elephant in the room is that there isn't a capable executive to support Davis in order to change the dynamic of the franchise's direction.

11:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SABP: First off, I must say that your defense is really coming into its own. It also seems like when you went into a two deep zone, (Tampa Two) that is when the big passing plays happened on Sunday. Being that you are mostly a man on man defense, is it difficult to transition to zone? And how do you feel your game is coming along?

TB: Getting in a rhythm with one defense is sometimes easier, but being predictable is not something we can do. It is our job to continue throwing different looks at the offense and try to make plays. Personally, I feel like I am progressing as I get a better feel of the defense and become more confident in my ability.

Answered by Tyvon Branch

5:36 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Wow, several folks are taking their toys and going home.

The hatred! The negativity! I can't take it! And I'm the whiner?

What's being said here is no different, in tone and substance, than what was being said here two months ago. Suddenly, it's unbearable? Please.

If the Raiders were 4-0 and you were rubbing my earlier takes in my face, I wouldn't run away. I'd say, Bravo.

So stand by your takes, or evolve your takes. But quit the "it's just too much" act. You're better than that.

6:16 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

The negativity is displayed on the field by the Raiders on Sunday. This isn't the Raiders' team that I fell in love with.
Someone mentioned earlier that we need to run Bush and Louis Rankin. Well, we will get to see Bush more, but Louis Rankin has been signed by the Seattle Seahawks practice squad since he was cut by the Raiders.
Langston Walker came in for a try-out with us as we cut Justin Miller. I guess Khalif Barnes isn't working out? And yet, Marvin Harrison is still available, and so is David Tyree (cut by the Giants).
I wonder if we could trade for Vince Young, or sign Patrick Ramsey (who was cut by Ten).

8:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Oakland Raiders are in a very fragile state right now, Raider fans need to get their butts in the seats at the games not out of them. Why you ask? noticed I said the Oakland Raiders are in a fragile state not the Raiders. If the fans don’t go to the games the Raiders will leave back to LA. Hows that you ask? Because Al Davis signed a 16 year lease at the Oakland Coliseum in 1995, that means the Raiders don’t have to play in Oakland after the 2010 season.

Don’t think Al won’t move the team because of lack of fan support, and sign another lease in Oakland, it’s a business just like any other. I wouldn’t blame Al if he moves the team if nobody is in the seats.

If you like the Oakland Raiders be careful for what you ask for, like the fella who wrote this thread. You might be watching all LA Raiders the games from some bar crying in your beer because of fans like you.

Support or lose plain and simple.

9:12 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

So now the fans are blackmailed into selling out? SCREW YOU.

You must be an Al Davis employee. If Al Davis wants to try and move the team....GOOD FREAKIN LUCK. What city would build a new stadium and plunk a bunch of money on a LOSING proposition? With an owner who has no clue how to market or show his fans that he gives a rat's ass about them.

So with your threats, you tell Raider fans " you better bend over and take it or else Al will move"....I say, GO AHEAD, see how well that goes. Unfreakin real, how anyone other than an Al Davis employee can say way.


9:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Wow, several folks are taking their toys and going home."

Yeah, it's a shame that we can't get "everybody's" perspective on the current state of the Raiders.

Raiders cut Justin Miller to re-sign RB Gary Russell... since McFadden is out. Russell should be a good addition to the backfield right now.

Speaking of backs, Jacobs is going to be tough to stop... even for a good run D. And the Giants know how to pressure the QB. Sunday could prove to be another long day. I just hope it's not another game that's over by halftime.

2:45 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...


eli manning may miss sundays game against raiders, and the giants are still 15 point favorites.

beat the giants ? i'd be happy if we can just cover the spread.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

Well, Take, I don't see why this is so hard or worthy of your brand of snide dickishness. I could stay and read some 100 or so "AAHHHH! The sky is falling!" posts which are carbon copies of each other, or I could wait a little while for when things get less lame around here. I don't even know why you care, you've still got your girlfriend JONES to tell you how smart you are. And yeah, I used the word hate to describe him. That's because he's a hateful schmuck, and accused me of hate, which isn't true at all. I realize you feel the need to defend him since he's been fellating you for several months, but really. You're ridiculous. All your scorekeeping and who's right/who's wrong crap just shows what an egocentric midget you are. I'm out because of that, and because most of the posters I like to read are gone. I don't care if you think I was wrong about something, I don't ever even make predictions like that. Oh, and I wouldn't have rubbed it in your face at all, I'm not like that. But thanks for admitting that that's what you're doing.

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading all this posts, and I just have to say to Buttery Pat.......Please Please Please shut up and go away. I teach junior high school, and the girls in my social studies classes don't whine and cry as much as you do. Buttery Pat, you just look like a fool around here boy.

Sarasota Raider

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol looks like all the Al Davis apologists are losing their marbles and crying like little girls and going away. Can't take the heat when they are faced with the truth. Oh well, they knew it was coming. This team will never reach the playoffs again with Davis as the owner,and even the jock sniffin, butt licking, Davis apologists know it.

Sarasota Raider

7:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Wow, ButteryPat, such rage and profanity.

I'm not defending anyone, nor am I rubbing anything in. I'm presenting takes based on the information presented to me. Right now, the information presented to me is that the Raiders are a disaster yet again.

Rubbing it in is what YOU would be doing if the Raiders were 4-0 (I base this on the rage and profanity of your comments).

What I would be doing if the Raiders were 4-0 is EVOLVING with the information. I would be saying, you know what, I think I was wrong about Cable. If DHB wasn't imitating a ghost (invisible, no hands), I'd be saying, you know what, I may have been wrong about the kid. I'd be saying, hey, maybe the joke's on me.

I would not be taking my toys and going home, and cursing like a sailor, etc.

7:22 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Raider Take has a unique and insightful perspective about the current state of the Raiders organization.

It doesn't really matter if the visitors of this site think he is totally wrong, partly wrong, partly right, or on the money.

The point of a blog and the comments section is to raise the level of discourse, encourage a broad spectrum of opinions, and enjoy a healthy debate.

I noticed that you've been busy either defending yourself or taking pot shots at others. What is your view on the current state of affairs? What do you think are the major problems and corresponding solutions? How important do you feel it is to hire a GM yesterday? Quite frankly, I don't know what your opinions are about the current mess we are in besides "everything will be alright".

If you don't enjoy participating and sharing your opinions ... why bother?

7:30 PM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

Take and CJ I couldn't agree with you guys more.

As I have stated above at the beginning of this take. "I am officially done."

Don't know if anyone got a chance to read this article online, but I have posted the link below for you viewing pleasure.

Let me give you a quick excerpt....

After the Bronco game some tailgaters, who were parked by the road where the players come and go, said this was what they saw:

"Our tailgate happens next to the road the players drive in and out of the stadium. After the dismal game, some of the boys went back to do a bit more tailgating and eat...a white Rolls Royce is leaving the stadium with JaMarcus Russell know this and are booing...the passenger side window rolls down and with JaMarcus driving one of his home boys on the passenger side yells out 'Well at least we are eating good, you guys are still broke'...and JaMarcus visibly chuckles in the driver's seat..."

Enough said, our team lacks the "Testicular fortitude" when its Team Captain, the face of the franchise conducts himself in this manner. Maybe Gannon, Boomer and Gracia all made a vaild point.

Oh and by the way, Mr. Davis said “JaMarcus is great, he will be great."

8:55 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Mr. Duva:

I personally wouldn't put too much stock about a 2nd hand account of one of Russell's friends making an inappropriate comment.

This is the type of "incident" that is much to do about nothing. All you've got here (if true) is a wise ass friend of Russell's acting like an idiot.

If Russell did something inappropriate or offensive then you've got something worth discussing. What exactly did Russell himself do that offended you? Nothing. If you want to say he has knucklehead friends, fine.

To make leaps in logic on this in my opinion is reckless and unfair. If I had a dollar for every stupid remarks my friends have said in public, I would be retired.

This reminds of the "Party Chasers" photo of Russell in early March where he was at a party with a drink in his hand and a cigar in his mouth. Some of the Raider Nation were saying "Gotcha! See Russell doesn't care about his profession".

The bottom line is that Russell was at a social gathering in early March before training camp. Many fans were saying in essence that this photo proof positive that he lacks the drive or work ethic. The last time I checked, professional football players, and the general population at large, go out with friends and have a few drinks. This photo wasn't in the midst of training camp or on the eve of a regular season game.

When there are credible, plausible, on the record stories that back up this character assinations, I will be first in line to voice my displeasure and disappointment. Until then, all I care about is his performance on the field which we all know has been horendous.

Is he a bad guy because one of his friends made an insensitive remark? No.

Is he lazy because he went out one night at an event in early March and was photographed with a drink in his hand? No.

Is he struggling and letting down his teammates and fans by his subpar performance on the field? Absolutely.

10:26 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...


in fairness to al davis, he was cutoff by a reporter before he could finish his sentence.

what he was going to say was,

"jamarcus is great. he will be a great janitor".

10:41 PM  
Blogger AvantGrape said...

"It's not because of Al?"

Puhlease! This guys is a damn joke. The game has passed him by without a doubt. Denial of that simple reality doesn't change the reality. It's written in stone.

7:55 AM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...


“If Russell did something inappropriate or offensive then you've got something worth discussing. What exactly did Russell himself do that offended you? Nothing. If you want to say he has knucklehead friends, fine.”

You are absolutely right CJ; Russell has done nothing to offend me. I was merely posting an article which I thought had some type of validity; how one conducts himself directly or indirectly? I am wrong for making such assumptions based on nothing more than a 2nd hand article by someone from the media.

Vince Lombardi once said, “The achievements of an organization are the results of the combined effort of each individual. Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all time thing. You don't win once in a while, you don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time. Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.”

I guess to me, perception in any type business, means everything. What you do on the field is just as important as what you do off the field.

1:16 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Lou Duva:

Great quote from Vince. It really tells it all for the Raiders.


2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just for the record, i haven't run away, still reading every post, just not much positive to say, so i remain fairly silent. that and i have no energy to refute some of the rediculous things that some of these people are putting out there. i.e. the raiders will never win till Al retires or dies, or russell has been fined heavily for missing meetings and being overwieght, you know, rediculous stuff like that.


5:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's only ridiculous if it's totally unfounded. The doubtfulness and criticisms being posted here have merit, like it or not. It’s a real shame.

Has Al Davis done all he can to bring a wining team back to Oakland? The evidence strongly suggest he has not. To question why he refuses to hire a GM or other entrusted football executive is more than valid, particularly given the circumstances.

As far as Russell’s fines, I read that Cable did nothing to refute that report. So, it may have merit as well.

Unfortunately, the Raiders continue to do very little that’s positive, so we as fans must process what’s available...

6:39 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Mr. Duva:

You are right about the natural tendency to equate perception to reality.

If Russell was playing better and the Raiders were winning, most of the fans (and even the media) would be applauding him for his easy going, even keeled disposition.

Since Russell is struggling and the Raiders are winning 25% of their games, most of the fans and media are harpooning Russell for "not caring enough".

As we all know, what counts the most is his performance on the field. Until he gets his act together on the field, everything and anything he does off the field including quotes, photos etc. will be used to feed the negative firestorm.

7:52 PM  
Blogger AvantGrape said...

Russell isn't going to become a quality starter folks. He can't make basic NFL reads. More importantly, he has no sense of the pocket and when it is collapsing, and he doesn't think quickly enough to get rid of the ball on basic timing routes. When your coach has to make the offense "simple" for you, there is a problem. This is the problem with the Raiders in general. They draft fast guys, who can't absorb the complexity of the modern game. This doesn't work in today's NFL. Cable's philosophy, along with Al's, was flawed from day 1, and it will remain so until we bring in people aren't afraid to run sophisticated NFL offenses and defenses.

9:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Welcome to the party, John C.! Since others have taken their toys and gone home because their hallucinations didn't come true, it's nice to have some new regulars to fill up the barstools.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Welcome John C. to the world where up is down and logic is delusion. The life of a Raider bizaro fan.

A sophisticated, multi-dimensional, unpredictable, dyanmic defense and offense ... I will let my head hit the pillow and have dreams about lolipops and sunshine. GNite Raider fans!

10:13 PM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

Sorry Take, my friend, but I'm not staying away due to a hallucination not coming true.

I'm just tired of the infighting. Point friggin' blank.

And every time the Raiders lose, I know it's gonna' be a crapstorm.

Nothing necessarily on you, I just needed to take a break from Raider Take. Note: It's not permanent.

"Ahll bee bach."


10:48 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...


i have invented a time machine.

i will be taking al davis, and all raider players and coaches back to 1976, where their schemes will be relevent again.


11:18 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Arkansan, no problem, at least you still peek your head in the door and haven't run off in a hissy fit of profanity.

6:19 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Seymour Interview:

Q. You guys are 1-3, but is this team better than a 1-3 record?

A. Yeah, I definitely do believe that. I don’t think we have put our performance out on the football field. I think that is the most disappointing thing because we definitely have talent. But, as we all know, talent alone isn’t going to get the job done. It takes a group of guys that are all on the same page and are trying to fight for the same common goals. I think that is definitely what it takes. Like I said, we have that talent in the locker room but we just have to put it out on the football field.

TRANSLATION: Talent is not the problem. The problem is that the team is not on the same page, and is not unified in fighting for common goals.

8:30 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Just a quick drive by, re Cable.

While many are claiming that Cable will be called before the Commissioner when they travel to NY, that's rediculous. If this is a criminal matter, Cable will be told by his attorney not to discuss it. Goodell is obviously not covered under attorney/client privilege. The NFL will take no action until the Napa DA drops the case. If the Napa DA files charges, the NFL will wait to the conclusion of the process. This is how it should be.

9:26 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"TRANSLATION: Talent is not the problem. The problem is that the team is not on the same page, and is not unified in fighting for common goals"

Hence the Vince Lombardi quote.Eat, sleep and drink that too much to ask of players making outrageous amounts of dough? Is it too much for the org to accept anything less of it's players? Seems to be.

The culture of the Raider org does not condone winning. It condones dysfunction and non accountability.


9:30 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...


It is established that Cable broke Hanson's jaw. It is established that Hanson wants some sort of retribution. Doesn't matter what the cops say at this point. It's been done and established...that is enough for the commish to go on.

Cable broke league policy, this is what the league is worried about, not what the cops say.


9:43 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Good article on the Buffalo Bills that applies to the Raiders, as well:

"The Bills’ lengthy mediocrity is ultimately not a failure of individual players and coaches, but a consequence of flawed management."

10:51 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Not a surprise, Jones. You know less about the law than you do about football.

12:50 PM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

Several of us made the drive from Dallas down to Houston last weekend. Primary objective: My nephew/godson's first Raiders game.

The irony, the Raider Nation made it worth it, even if the Raider's didn't lend a hand. So, with sincere gratitude, thank you Nation. You made my nephew's day.

Funny thing about five year olds. Here's his unprompted commentary from the fourth quarter:

"Uncle Jesse, I don't think we are going to win".

"The bad men have 29 points and we have 6. We are going to have to score alot more points to win this game".

"Why do we lose so many games"?

"We can't chear for the bad guys, just because they are winning".

Go Raiders!

3:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Great article, RT... should be a “must read” for every Raiders fan.

At least the Bills can stake claim to mediocrity. The Raiders are entrenched in an unprecedented run of futility.

“Management is the elixir that produces consistent results over time,” said Tony Ogorek. “[Successful] corporations tend to be managed by deep teams of people who . . . understand what is happening in the marketplace and constantly innovate.”

6:17 AM  
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7:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read the deatils on the Hanson incident. Granted, it was Hanson's side of the story... but sheez what a damn f'd up franchise. Cable is throwing the guy around in a room with the ever-present Willie Brown and Lionel toast Washinton looking on... and a somewhat supportive John Marshall. Madness.
These 5 guys make up a big part of our coahing staff and they are in a room arguing... none on the same page... hired at vastly different points in time, for reasons mostly related to Al bestowing a position upon them for whatever reason, etc etc. There is no structure nor cohesion with our coaching staff. How can any player succeed in this environment. How can a young QB develop in THIS environment.
What a mess.
The story is pathetic, But here's the worst part for me... after reading the ugliness of the "good fellas" like scene where hanson was attacked, the story goes on to say this about where Al was during the event:
"Davis had been out of town at the time of the incident – he was on the East Coast giving a deposition to a lawyer for Kiffin, who is challenging the owner’s decision not to pay him the balance of his contract. He did not meet with Hanson until Aug. 16, 11 days after the incident."
The Clown Car rides on!

5:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our only hope: I would like to see some scenarios where we might actually win.

...if our 'shuffled up O-line' can come up with something with a week of practice. Shuffling it in the middle of the game was disaster. And they MUST get Bush off. If they can open a few holes for him, enough to control the ball, we MIGHT have a chance. Controling the ball is our only hope. Same would work with Fargas, as long as we MOVE THE CHAINS CONSISTENTLY!

I'm stoked to actually get to watch the game this week. For some reason they are playing it here in Alabama on CBS instead of the saints/thumbtacks/falcons/pats game. That said, they'll probably screw me and switch the game last minute.



8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cable incident:

Wow, that rundown from Randy's side is pretty amazing. Wish I had been a fly on the wall for that one. I just wish the DA would hurry up and get it OVER WITH!

Any chance Hanson gets the coaching gig after Cable is fired?

One thing is for sure, Al has to let the HC run his staff. Who wants to buy-in and play for a coach that gets overruled by the owner every other decision? I mean the personell thing I understand, MOST hc's in the league have to run player changes by the ownership. Hanson working his way up the ladder like a freakin' Klingon (Keep bumping off the HC until you get the gig).


PS: On another note, Sapapotamose just said "If there's one thing we all know, in the NFL, when there's a bunch of smoke, there's a fire at the bottom". Love him or hate him, he says what's on his mind. And he's never hated on the raiders. If you guys defend Gannon's comments, he's been saying basically the EXACT same thing as Sapp.

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi, sapp was talking about the Redskins, not the cable incident.

8:49 AM  
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