Monday, August 31, 2009

Raiders Fan Reparation Plan

Well, the Raiders say they are “embarrassed” by Saturday’s “effort” while many fans are declaring this a “wake-up call.”

You'd think that the wake-up call might have been the Falcons game last year. Or the pathetic showing in 2007. Or the 2-14 record the year before that. Or recently setting the NFL record for most consecutive seasons of 11 or more losses. Or maybe the 275 rushing yards given up to the 49ers last week.

We've become the Rip Van Winkle of the NFL. Nothing wakes us up.

Now we have Greg Ellis calling out his comrades for partying instead of game planning. And no one is even pretending that Ellis is mistaken in his perception.

Credit JaMarcus Russell for admitting that Saturday’s performance was “disrespectful to our fans, ourselves and our family."

Then Cable said: "I am excited about the fact the we really show a lot of remorse."

Who said Raiders fans have nothing to be excited about?

And people wonder why I wasn't confident enough in this group to renew my season tickets this year? I can’t tell you how happy I am to not have subsidized the turd that was laid on Saturday.

Season ticket holders are required to buy tickets to the preseason games. They are thus owed, at the very least, a professional effort in the preseason as well as the regular season.

Therefore, I feel that all season ticket holders should be offered a full refund for Saturday’s “disrespectful” display of unprofessionalism.

Put your money where your remorse is, Raiders, and give back the money you essentially stole from your fans on Saturday.

They were sold tickets to a professional football game, and what they got was an abomination staged by a bunch of unprepared, hungover clowns. Reparations should be made accordingly, and immediately.

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Blogger RaiderCat said...

RT: "...just more of the same old cirque du soleil (clowns flying around, hitting nothing)..."

Were it not for this comment on your last take, I'd have had no smiles this week. Thank you, Take!

Let's see if this "disrespect" of the fans, selves, and families will light a fire under JaMarcus' (et al) attitude to bring to the team. If in fact there were players prowling Friday night, shame on them!


10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

copy and paste into new take...
We needn't go through the insane exercise of debating whether or not this player is good, or whether so and so is wrapping up or neglecting a gap, or whether or not a particular draft pick was a reach or bust etc, etc.
There is only one cure for our situation and that is a STRONG/PROVEN commodity at coach and/or GM... and they have to be given clear authority.
We need a Parcells type that can come in and CHANGE our culture and schemes.
To me, and this may be blasphemy on this board, the perfect guy is Shottenheimer. We need to build a disiplined, stout, strong, blue collar football team that plays hard and smart. That was the hallmark of his teams.
I'd love to have the guy.
But really, at this point, is there any hope that we'll change our ways any time soon?

11:01 AM  
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11:02 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The Raiders were embarrassed (according to Cable), unprepared and uncommitted (according to Ellis) and ultimately disrespectful (according to Russell).

But it's really just my perspective that is tainted?

11:17 AM  
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11:24 AM  
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11:38 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Well, PantyRaider, since you see no connection between my perspective and what happens on the field, I think that you should try to offset the damage of my errant ways be establishing a charitable foundation for the Raiders.

This non-profit organization could accept online donations to support the players and help pay for their bar tabs.

Donations could also help reinforce an organizational lifestyle free of consequences by purchasing all unsold tickets, guaranteeing sellouts in perpetuity.

There could even be a special fund set aside for offsetting the $8 million paid to DeAngelo Hall for eight games.

The donations could also be used to stage protests outside the Coliseum, chastising angry fans as they exit for their unreasonable expectations of a professional football product.

Think of the possibilities!

(Who says I don't have a sense of humor?)

11:50 AM  
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11:54 AM  
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12:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The difference between me and Chicken Little is that the sky didn't fall on Chicken Little.

We just set a record for futility unmatched by the Lions, Cardinals or anyone else in the history of the NFL. The worst consecutive years run EVER. That's the NFL equivalent of the sky falling.

Therefore, I am more Paul Revere than Chicken Little. I sounded the alarm early.

I am riding around on this blog trying to WAKE PEOPLE UP (including the Raiders themselves, who apparently need yet another "wake up call").

12:22 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Have to say that I didn't see the game. I was out of town.

Certainly I was disappointed in the outcome. And certainly I think it looks like run defense will continue to be an issue.

That said, 45-7 in a pre-season game, the 2nd worst pre-season loss in franchise history, is not the end of the world. However, many here will treat it as such because of the "last six years." But if the same score came down in the Raiders' favor, I suspect the detracters would simply be offering that this was a "pre-season" game and didn't count. But don't forget, in 2006 we were 4-1 in the preseason.

I'd also point out that our worst ever pre-season loss was against the Chefs in 1967. We went to Super Bowl II that year.

The important thing is nothing to do with what is being said here or by team reps in press conferences. The important thing here is what is being said behind closed doors. The players embarrassed Cable, a man they say they respect. How will Cable handle the situation, and what will be their response?

I refuse to get on the "last six years" band wagon, even if this continues into the regular season. Every season is a new season, just as every game is a new game. It is the players themselves who must step up, and "firing the owner" will have no effect what-so-ever.

Fortunately for the players, they have a pre-season game left to redeem themselves. What I want to know is, will they take advantage of it.

12:30 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I guess we just live in a world of random dots, not to be connected...

12:35 PM  
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12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Panty, it's not 1981 New Orleans anymore. You can joke about partying when you're good and you go out and still win the superbowl after pulling an all-nighter.
When you're good.
Our team has NO ONE on it that can not take their job serious or act like a Raider of old. No one. There is not one person on this team that is so valuable we can let them do as they wish, or try to live the 70's Raider lifestyle. those days disappaered with today's intricate offensive and defensive schemes (which we lack).
I think the players are frustrated. We heard several comments earlier in training camp about the new DC being "stuck" with a pre-picked "scheme".
Once again the chickens are coming home to roost.

12:56 PM  
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1:05 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


You can't wake up the deaf and blind. A new player(Ellis), who has been in the league for a while and respected....comes to the Raiders and is already speaking out about the immaturity and lack of professionalism on the team.....some call it another red flag (# 507) and some call it nothing to worry about because "that's what they did in the 70's".

They have no grasp on reality for what it takes to make a winner. Their reference point's, date back 30 yrs. "It's not Al's fault, it's the players". Not able to grasp that he is the maker of the immaturity and unprofessionalism that haunts this franchise year after year......nope they can't hear you Take, they don't want to hear you, lovable losers, they define the term.

JONES...tellin it like it is...

1:15 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

There's nothing wrong with the defensive scheme. There is everything wrong with the way that scheme was played on Saturday. Players need to fill their gaps and wrap up on tackles. I'm with Ellis on this one.

Take, Panty is right. If you're seeing "dots" before your eyes, go see a doctor. The fact is that this off season was completely different than the last six, and we have a different coach running training camp.

The purpose of training camp games is not to demonstrate that all problems have been fixed. The purpose of training camp games is to identify problems and fix them before the season starts. In hind sight we can see that the worst pre-season loss in 1967 identified problems that were subsequently fixed. The time to declare that the sky is falling is when the Raiders fail to answer this "embarrassment." Not before.

1:18 PM  
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1:20 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


Just because we have ANOTHER new coach running training camp, doesn't automatically mean it is different. You guys and your "reasoning" are very suspect. You imply that Ellis said "nothing wrong with the scheme, just don't have to be hungover" is this misleading garbage, that shows your opinion, is to be tossed as propaganda.... Have you been to the camp and how is it different?

Take, who FINALLY see's the light, is trying to enlighten you, but you are too damn stuck in your mind warp, you can't hear it.....It's obvious to all in the world that what happened on Saturday was ridiculous. A team with a record of futility, comes into the most important game of the preseason, for building a solid foundation for the season, HUNGOVER. A player speaks out about it and it's all " don't worry about it, coach Cable has it all under control". WHY? Are you paid by the Org. to lie? It's like the government telling us " don't worry, all that bailout money comes out of your pocket, but the Fed Reserve is helping us". It's this kind of "reasoning" that POLLUTES the truth. You sucker some in and you have for a few years now...but, sooner or later, the truth comes out, no matter how hard you try to cover really should be ashamed of yourself, you enable things like the "hungover bowl" because of your inabilty to face truth.


1:37 PM  
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1:57 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Ahhh, good ole panty.....can't refute what I write, so he attacks me personally. Panty, it's the oldest trick in the book and only a low life does it. Back up your accusations with truth, like you say, you can go back years on this site and FIND THE TRUTH. You are accusing me, SO YOU NEED THE PROOF, OTHERWISE, YOUR WORDS ARE JUST SLANDER.


2:04 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Cable just said this:

"I am excited about the fact that we really show a lot of remorse."

Finally, something to be excited about!


2:31 PM  
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2:46 PM  
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...

RT said, "We just set a record for futility unmatched by the Lions, Cardinals or anyone else in the history of the NFL. The worst consecutive years run EVER. That's the NFL equivalent of the sky falling."

100% correct Take.

They are always 3 sides to every story.


1-There's his version…..Panty’s
2-There's his version…..Take’s
3-Then there's the truth…..Take’s

We all watched or didn't watch a different game. But the truth is still the truth. Maybe were the ones who can’t seem to see it truth Take, what do you think?

3:00 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, I don't really bother with Jones anymore. I did read his first post on this thread. The logic is amazing.

"A new player(Ellis), who has been in the league for a while and respected....comes to the Raiders and is already speaking out about the immaturity and lack of professionalism on the team..."

and then he proceeds to tell us why it's Al's fault.

Seems to me that Cable has been talking about "immaturity and lack of professionalism on the team" since he became HC. That would kind of intimate to me that the issue is being addressed from the top down, since it came from Cable.

My post doesn't point fingers at Al, therefore it must be defending Al. Fact is, Al had nothing to do with Saturday's performance. And nobody called it anything other than a bad peformance. But because I didn't blame Al, Jones will tell you that he knows my politics, my life style, my eating habits...

I'm kind of beginning to wonder why he's so obsessed with me.

3:12 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


" "immaturity and lack of professionalism on the team" since he became HC. That would kind of intimate to me that the issue is being addressed from the top down, since it came from Cable."

First off, the top down starts with Al Davis, not coach Cable.

Second, this issue is being addressed? Players showing up to the 3rd gm of the preseason not ready to play? This is how it is being addressed by the HC? ,7 yrs of the same scenario and you say it's being "addressed" .....wonder what would happen if they were taking their time on this issue.


"Fact is, Al had nothing to do with Saturday's performance."

NAHHH, AL didn't hire not one of the people involved, Al had nothing to do with any of the players..."Al should be worshipped not examined in his work. For the AL mighty giver, is never to be challenged, if you do, you will never be a true fan....signed Pantysniffer.

5:04 PM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

Yeah, whatever, Coach.


6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol give it up Blandarocked. Jones has got you in the corner, time to wave that white towel. lol

Sarasota Raider

6:13 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Every offseason is different from previous offseasons. No two offseasons are ever alike with the changing personnel, draft, free agent acquisitions, injuries, talent levels, coaching staff etc.

Whether an offseason ends up being 'better' will be determined by the the W/L record in 2009.

Granted, for the most part, it seemed like things were going well in Napa when players were running around in shorts and there was no tackling. Judging by the last 2 preseason games, we've got a HUGE hill to climb.

Granted, the offseason seemed to be going smoothly without controversy or distractions until Cable had a meltdown with Hanson. This incident still lingers like a splinter in our brain until it is resolved.

Granted, we seemed to draft some promising, talented players such as DHB, Murphy, Mike Mitchell, Myers. The reality is that I would be very suprised if any of our rookies makes a big impact. Murphy seems to have the best chance to be a solid, consistent contributor although he looked horrible vs. the Saints.

RT: The wake up call should have been sounded immediately following the SB game vs. the Bucs. It was as clear as day going into the 2003 season that the Raiders needed to start rebuilding in earnest as most of the key veterans retired, ran out of gas, or were cut. Certainly upon the completion of the 2003 season the bells should have been audible. To go from SB to 4-12 should wake up a few folks.

To me the biggest and most consistent alarm going off the past 6 years is the lack of attention to making our run defense a priority.

How many games, seasons go by before you realize as an organization that until the run D is a top 15 unit, your chances for team success are slim and none?

6:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I love it, Take! That pretty much sums it up; except for me, it's simply three hours of my life I can never get back. Tough to put a price on that.

BR, PR, et al -

Unfortunately, like it or not, Saturday’s effortless performance by the players is merely a symptom of a long-standing illness of ineffectual management and coaching that plagues the Raiders.

It’s truly sad that we’re talking about a level of ineptitude on a team in which the players are relegated to performing on perhaps the most simplistic level in all of professional sports, yet they still can’t execute these basic concepts from week to week, or even practice to practice.

I don’t know what to think anymore. And I can’t imagine anyone feels good about opening the season against the Chargers.

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 6 miserable years I'm not saying there isn't reason for concern. BUT IT'S AUGUST. If we were winning these games by 28+ points I would be the first to say "Don't take too much out of these B.S. games". And that's exactly what these games are- pure BullShit. Nobody wants to get hurt nobody is going to over extend except the fringe guys trying to make the roster. Good for Brees and the aints that they cames out and dished out an asskicking. But I'm not ready to say here we go again just yet based on a glorified scrimmage.


7:04 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If Ellis was pissed, and Cable embarrassed, and Russell ashamed, and the team remorseful, then this wasn't just another bad performance during a glorified scrimmage.

It was more than that.

It was disrespectful, to use Russell's word. It was embarrassing, to use Cable's word.

So for anyone wondering why Raiders fans might be ticked off today, we're just reflecting the very words that the team leaders themselves used to describe the situation.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


What's my name? You are grasping at straws, I've seen that pantysniffer and CJ have been trying to pin me as some guy on a blog.....sorry, you are mistaken.

It is a sorry attempt to discredit my posts. I would expect that from PS, but not from CJ....PS has also pinned me as that nonRaider guy who post's his Faider routine. Wrong again, it's pantysniffer's way of discrediting, it is a very old trick from a beat up ole man with a 15 yr old as a this guy to be believed about anything? I don't buy his story, but he will say what he says....

I guarantee you, I am JONES and that's it. I used to post a while back as just an anonymous but my theme was always the same. They ragged on me to take a name, so I did.


7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bitchin', moanin', and pissing matches.

Not saying it's not justified. I was completely disgusted. But I just can't get into the 'why' anymore. I feel like I've aged 20 years going through the last 6 seasons.

I would like to thank Blanda for bringing up that '67 preseason loss, kind of puts it in perspective, and RaiderMike for reitterating the point (it's preseason).

I did cut Bush and Seabass from my fantasy team. Gotta play the odds on that fantasy thing, and I figure we won't be kicking many field goals down 21 pts, and Bush is awsome, but the line makes the back to a great extent.


8:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


For the record, I have no clue who you are. Recently, say the last few days, your posts have been well thought out. I respect that you are trying to add to the discourse. If my memory is bad about the childish posts that you made over the past year or so, my fault.

The reality about blogs and forums is that it is nothing more than a debate, discussion, and sharing of opinions about a certain topic.

I have always enjoyed a spirited debate about the Raiders AS LONG AS the poster gives his honest opinion. What irritates me are the posters who purposely just try to stir up shit, post anonymously, or go off on such topic as politics, birth certificate authenticity or other unsuitable topics for a Raiders blog.

If you have a take and sign your name to it, I don't need to agree with you. I sincerely enjoy learning from you guys and getting new perspectives on Raider football.

8:23 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


Your association of me with some "coach" guy was very irresponsible. Your excuse that my post's were childish as your reasoning to spread a false identity on me is lame. I feel your ego seem lost on which way to go with this team.

You blasted me about saying that Gruden was giving AD the wazzooo at the Super bowl. You then, for no reason, accused me of being someone I am not. I have hung around this site for a while, I had respect for you.....your slight of words are just another example of mob want to don't know which crowd to pick....think CJ, you used to be able to you just seem brainwashed.


8:46 PM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...


How do you know I was talking about you?

Feeling defensive?


9:18 PM  
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9:54 PM  
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10:00 PM  
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12:24 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

as someone who watched saturdays game, i can clearly state that the problem with our defense is, we do not have enough defensive backs.

we need to draft at least 5 new db's next year, and sign an additional 4 as free agents.

maybe even convert some of our lb's and de's, to db's.

i'm confident, even as we blog, that al davis is in his office watching film on every db's in the nation.
maybe even some from other nations.

we cannot rest until we field a defensive unit of 11 db's.

heck, with our front seven, who would even notice ?

5:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Some twisted fixation to field all DBs on defense would explain why we dropped 11 into coverage against the Browns.

6:22 AM  
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6:57 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


I don't take offense to your b.s. claim that I'm "brainwashed" or following some "mob mentality".

I am an independent, free thinker. I don't feel shackled to agree or disagree with the group.

Did I personally view your posts from a few months back as being consistently pointless and childish? Yup.

Did other posters view your earlier posts as being pointless and childish. You bet.

It is only recently that you've stepped up to the adult table.

Bottom Line:
I have consistently said the following for 4 years running on this site ...

(1) I respect the posters on this site who sign their name to their posts (something that you only recently decided to do) and give their honest opinions about Raider football topics.

(2) I respect the posters on this site who take the time to articulate reasonable, coherent points of view.

(3) I do NOT respect the posters who try to stir shit up for that purpose only or post anonymously. Posting anonymously is gutless and flat out lazy.

It makes no difference to me Jones how you take this post. You are entitled to your opinions. As a matter of fact, why don't you start your own blog?

8:02 AM  
Anonymous SR Raider said...

Guys, do you really have to drivel on like this? Both CJ and RT have been posting for years, and what they have to say is well formulated and interesting. Many others tend to just rant incoherently. Please keep it civil and on the subject - not he said she said. Makes us all better people. I know we're all upset about the last 6+ years, but c'mon.

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have tried to simmer my reaction to the game Saturday but, the only thing I can think is it's going to be a long Monday night on the 14th.


8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude, if the shine is poff your fanship, go find another team. I am sick of your whining. Wash the sand out of your vag.


8:47 AM  
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8:49 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Calico, just for clarification on point 3, those who would like to comment can select "Anonymous" to post their entry, but we'd all prefer they sign a name in their post... if only as a courtesy.

It's always nice to read a new perspective.

8:56 AM  
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9:00 AM  
Anonymous SR Raider said...

I've been reading a lot of books on leadership lately, and it's clear to me that the problem is Al Davis and the way he manages. He makes everyone else responsible but himself. A good leader takes responsiblity for the losses and gives credit for successes to his subordinates. Al has been doing the opposite for years.

I love Al and I love the Raiders, but until this trend changes it's going to be hard to watch. Mr. Davis needs to step up and say it's his fault so that his coaches and players just practice hard and play the game.

Until then, I'll just keep praying for a miracle in Week 1, while keeping my money in my pocket.

9:03 AM  
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9:11 AM  
Anonymous Tokai Raider said...

I used to enjoy reading this site -- and I still enjoy the front page -- but the comments are getting ridiculous. All this whining back and forth, you said this, you said that, you called me a name, waah waah. It's sad. The Raiders played one of the worst games I've ever seen, and instead people turn on each other.

9:27 AM  
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9:32 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Tokai, good advice.

Spicoli and PantyRaider, it takes a man to apply tough love.

The "everything will be okay, it's not that bad, have a lollipop" mantra sounds like a doting mother to me.

Check out the latest Raider Nation Podcast. Listen to Raider Greg's first-hand take of what he witnessed on Saturday (after the beginning, where he references this blog).

That's a man speaking his mind and confronting, not avoiding, reality.

Deal with it.

9:38 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...


Who is obsessed? 20 posts with warped reasoning to convince others that you are the good guy and I am the bad. Who is insecure? You are projecting panty.......


Again, you accused me of being someone I am not to try and discredit accountable for your actions. You yukked it up WITH A MOB MENTALITY with the blind gang. I watched as you buried yourself in it. Now I am calling you out on it and you won't even address it. What is it you write about "stirring up shit"? It's exactly what you were doing while you were associating me to "coach".


9:43 AM  
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9:52 AM  
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10:07 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, I'm only as un-chill as the Raiders. They are embarrassed, pissed and remorseful about their disrespectful performance (all their words).

So why shouldn't I follow their lead on this?

Hopefully, Cable knows enough to throw some chairs and knock the team around for that disgraceful showing. So that's what I'm doing here, throwing proverbial chairs, because that's what's called for.

You and Spicoli would probably just pat them on the head, eh?

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Raider fans would just grow a set and DECLINE to renew their season tickets, then something would be done. Until then, Raider fans, you are getting what you deserve.

10:38 AM  
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10:57 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If Cable, or Russell and/or Ellis read this blog, they would nod their head in agreement with me. Just read their own words. That's why I know that my take is righteous.

They would look at the excusing and enabling going on here (it's just preseason, it happened in 1967, etc.) and call "B.S."

They know that this was an important preseason game, and that the team committed a crime against the concepts of competition and preparation and professionalism. They know that they missed a great opportunity to get things clicking, and they're pissed.

And so am I. Because I'm with them.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Panty, you're treating them like children, all right. That's the whole problem with this team. They haven't learned to act like men. They've been coddled and enabled and entitled for too long.

You don't sound angry at all.

So while you're "scanning the horizon for positive signs," I hope that Cable is having none of it, and is instead making them run laps until they throw up.

11:06 AM  
Blogger ButteryPat said...

Well, see, when you call for a refund of season tickets, it sort of seems like you're writing off the season. That's a bit harsh for a preseason game. I mean, if we won 45-7 and I said "write it down, we're going to the Super Bowl", that would be ridiculous. It's the preseason. Yeah, we got our asses handed to us. Yeah, it was the most important preseason game. But we get a mulligan. We get to think of the whole game as if we hit the Dallas scoreboard.

So there definitely is a bright side to that. Honestly, I kinda like the idea of losing preseason games more than winning them. I think it can really light a fire under players. I don't know how good this team actually is, but I know they're better than that game. If they get their act together and focus, and I guess if we get Morrison back, this team can put that game behind them. And that's what they should do. Not throw up their hands and get upset. Get tougher. Get better. There's still plenty of time for that.

If we get killed by San Diego, fine, you can get all your "I-told-you-so's" and "reparations" talk. But over a preseason game? That just seems like a bit much.

11:51 AM  
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11:55 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Hey, if it's "just" preseason, then it should be even easier to give the fans back their money for that game.

It's bad enough that season ticket holders are required to buy the preseason games. But at the very least, they should at least be assured that the team isn't going to drive a clown car onto the field.

I wasn't the first one to call this game embarrassing and disrespectful and worthy of remorse. The Raiders were. I'm just repeating the obvious.

Listen to Raider Nation Podcast to find out what it felt like to pay for that experience.

11:57 AM  
Blogger ButteryPat said...

Oh, you just want a refund for that game? I thought you meant for the season. That would be a bit harsh to me. Just for the game? Yeah, not such a bad idea. I mean, that was abysmal football, don't get me wrong. But it WAS just the preseason. Like I said, we get a do-over. And just for the record, not making "excuses" here, just stating a couple of what I believe are facts:

1. New Orleans is fantastic this year.

2. The Saints are way better than the Chargers.

12:03 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BP - What about the 275 yards rushing our D gave SF the week before? What about the beatdown in goal line scrimages by SF prior to that? It's not just one pre-season game. It's a pattern that we can't seem to break away from.

12:05 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I have added a new image to this take.

It's called the Clown Car.

Henceforth, I will break out the clown car when merited.

Saturday's game was the poster child for the clown car.

The previous game against the 49ers was close, but not quite, deserving of the clown car.

The Denver and Atlanta games last year were clown car games.

You get the drift.

Losing doesn't automatically get you the clown car.

It's reserved for the most shameful and insensible losses.

Let's hope we don't see a lot of the clown car this year. That would be a nice change.

12:10 PM  
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12:12 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

This site seems to becoming disfunctional.

I don't come here to pretend I'm the coach and over turn tables and chairs. I come here to talk about Raider football with fans. Now, every time I do, I get told by RT and many of the posters why I shouldn't be a fan, and that I, personally, am the reason for a 45-7 PRESEASON loss.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of this, and just about every other blog where the main concern seems to be anger, insults, and revisionist history.

The fact is, if any of the Raiders' players are listening to ANYONE on this site, I suggest THAT is the problem. The players should be listening to Cable and the rest of the coaching staff. The primary problem with Saturday is that the players haven't been listening hard enough to what Cable has been preaching for almost a year.

We seem to have lost H, and I'm really disappointed in that. He was likely the most decent of the posters on this site, whether or not you agree with him.

So have fun for the remainder of the week tossing chairs and tables and hurling insults. I'll be back when one can sit down with a beer or a cup of coffee and discuss football.

12:14 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Blanda, you seem more perturbed by the idea of players reading blogs than staying out late partying before a game?

The Raiders themselves said that this game was an abomination, the result of disrespectful behavior, and deserving of remorse.

That is what THEY said. How can you be surprised that the mood around here might reflect the facts, as stated by the Raiders themselves?

The mood will get better when the Raiders play better.

12:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Take, it seems to me that if the players have already reflected that, they don't need you or anyone else to tell them.

They don't need me to confirm what they feel in order to play better. They just need to play better to avoid those feelings. Insulting posters doesn't seem to be an effective solution to any problem.

But knock yourself out. It's your site.

12:40 PM  
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12:45 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...


"This site seems to becoming disfunctional".

First off, it's DYSFUNCTIONAL.

Second, the chickens have come home to roost. Yes , it has been DYSFUNCTIONAL for a long time. It has been a lie on here for a long time. The truth is coming out and you don't want to defend your lies anymore, you are tired of living the lie. Your lies are getting broken down to where you have to face the truth....don't run, stand and face it. Isn't this what we are supposed to do? Face the truth and not make excuses and/or lies? Your awakening is close...don't run from it.

Do NOT blame those who have had enough already, many have seen enough many moons ago....these are our RAIDERS, AD works for US, we pay HIS BILLS. He needs to sit down and shut the fuck up. Get out of the way, all he does is poison it and our lives are getting shorter while he just screws the whole damn thing up....Yeah, I want to see a REAL PRO TEAM, not this, it's ridiculous and anyone who enables it is just as sick as the product.....I WANT MY RAIDERS BACK, AL DAVIS IS DONE.


1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too, took a pass this year after ten years of season tix. I had worked my way up to 45 yard 20th row with a good crew of knowledgeable Raider fans around us (4 tix).

It started to sour last year after Kiffin's dismissal and the bizarre press conference and began to accelerate with the naming of Cable and drafting of DHB.

I took the time to write Al a nice three page letter as well. No response.

This thing is screwed.

1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"panty" can I not say what I want on this board? Can I not have an opinion? I am a Raider fan too. I can have my own opinion just like you. Sorry it pisses you off so badly to here a view opposite of yours.
Is that what we here have become? Two camps? Those that want us to turn it around and want to talk about the reality of our situation (massive flaws) vs. those that dare not speak a word that anything could ever be wrong in Al's house... you know, "the winningest franchise in all sports history"? By the way, where do we rank now in that regard after years of promoting it with pride?
Most casual football fans can see we have been forcing this style defense for years, with multiple DC's. And we always blame the numerous short comings on players, gaps, wrapping up blah blah blah.
I'm surpised Al doesn't just run a new scheme... the 2-9... he puts two defensive lineman in front of the offensive line and employs 9 (very fast mind you) cornerbacks behind them.
And yes, Blanda, it is only preseason... I knew you'd find the positive spin. I wasn't sure how you'd spin it, but I suppose it's about all you had to work with this time.
Better spin might be, "we were in a vanilla d so we wouldn't tip off the Chargers to our new, innovative scheme".
Heck if that spin proved wrong we can always fall back on the tried and true "our guys just don't wrap-up or stay in their lanes/gaps."

3:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I was actually looking at meaningless pre-season stats to find something positive.

I did find that Indy has the least yards per game in the pre-season (259 ypg v. the Raiders’ 330 ypg - and 4.9 yards per play v. 6.3 ypp).

And the Raiders actually have a 5.4 avg gain per rush. We’d all be thrilled to carry that avg through the season.

However, there’s no avoiding these issues:

Rushing D - Ranked 32 with 211 ypg; and teams attempting 40 rushing plays per game (that’s excessive and has resulted in a league worst 24:07 TOP for the O).

In three games, the Raiders have given up 4 runs of 40+ yards.

Obviously, these areas need answers before the season.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

i remember an an interview al davis did in the mid 1980's.

the questioner asked al why the raiders were always near the top in penalties.

al responded that he always wanted his players to "be free", on the field.

it sounded as if al was advocating an environment with very little structure, and vast free lancing, by players during games.

well, it worked great through the 1980's, when, despite the penalties, the raiders were one of the best teams around.

but it clearly doesn't work anymore. not in these times. and certainly not with these players.

al, it's time to change.

4:18 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

If you look closely you will see that the nature of the penalties have changed.

In the 80's the Raiders were aggressive and sometimes paid for trying to guess a snap count, or roughing the QB. File those penalties under "oops!"

Today's version demonstrates a lack of discipline, with false starts, illegal formations, etc. File those penalties under "duh!"

5:45 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


The clown car is an appropriate symbol for the Saints game. I suggest you come up with another symbol for when the Raiders excel ... got to have a carrot to go with the stick! How about a Lincoln Town car which is the ultimate PROFESSIONAL, adult car.


I will only say this one more time than I'm done ... your identity is a mystery. It is difficult to calibrate your recent posts with your posts from before.


You posted anonymously forever. Your next phase was to sign your name to countless childish posts. Your most recent phase, which I applaud, is a more coherent, relevant thought process. The fact that there was a guy who posted on The Bleacher Report who used the words "The TRUTH" in a VERY similar vein as you do and the timing of his posts and your posts was uncanny. A few people (including myself) mistakenly thought it was you ... get over it. You seem mighty sensitive. I don't claim to be a perfect saint without flaws. There are plenty of times that I have vented and choosen my words poorly. Big F'N deal.

RT Crew:
IMO, anger is a VERY acceptable response for the Raiders performances in preseason game 2 and 3. I'm not concerned with Ws and Ls in a preseason game. What angers me is how the Raiders have been completely manhandled, mauled, outperformed, outhustled, outcoached, and outexecuted.

Where is the pride, leadership, professional effort and execution?

Now is the time for Cable to start drawing a very clear line in the sand for the players.

Now is the time for Cable to take whatever steps are necessary (no matter how drastic) to demonstrate that this is a serious, professional business where there are consequences for anyone wearing clown shoes.

Above all, there needs to be a stronger sense of urgency to turning things around.

As a fan, I would not be opposed to the next 2 weeks being the equivalent of a boot camp ... warriors that eat, drink, sleep football who are unified in doing WHATEVER it takes to get up to speed. No excuses. No whining. No diapers necessary. Longer practices? Sure. Extra laps. Why not. More pads/helmets/full contact practices? You bet.

7:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR: Oh how I long for the aggressive "headhunting" "late hit" type of penalties. Instead we are forced to swallow the passive, below 100 IQ variety.

What this team desperately needs is more vocal, demonstrative, passionate, blood thirsy leaders. Show the fans that you care instead of slinking off the field with your tail between your legs. I hate to say this but our defense lacks that killer instinct necessary to excel.

7:59 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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9:26 PM  
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9:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


It is with all sincerity that I hope Cable is the guy with the large nut sack, fortitude, never say die attitude, and strong, focused leadership that gets this train wreck back on the tracks and moving forward.

No 2 ways around it. The team has been a train wreck. The culture is a cess pool. The record is self explanatory.

Is he responsible for coming into an enviornment littered with losers? No.

Is he responsbile for becoming a part of the solution? Yes.

Cable's ultimate marching orders are quite simple:

Get the absolute most and best out of every single man on the 53 man roster and coaching staff.

He needs to find a way to inspire and unify every swinging dick in the building to lay it on the line. Anything less and it will be more of the same.

All of the sound bites, acknowledgement of poor deeds is meaningless. The only thing that truly matters is E&E ... effort and execution.

10:04 PM  
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10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your faida season tix ASAP before they are all gone! They're bound to go fast since the faidas ARE the "TEAM OF DESTINY" The ""team of the decades", yeah right decades of over hyped, propagandized BS!!!!!! I'm sick of the "plunk/flores" must be put in the HOF BS that "greg papa-smear" is commited to talk about every time he introduces the "faida tv nit-work" What a joke, the two old losers both had the same speach coach , one Sylvester Cat and stutterin" 'Ol' mushmouth DRUNK ASSKINSON" They looked great against the run and the pass! GGGGOOOOO fizzlers!!!!! 0-16 is doable in"09". I'll win money on em again this season! Bet on the faidas to lose and you'll put money in the bank! I'm serious, I made over $2 grand on em in the last seven years!!!!! That's why the faidas are my FAVORITE "team", Just go into denial baby.

11:27 PM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

Calico, I second your proposal, and just to add I wouldn't object to playing hard against the Hawks, fourth game of the preseason or not. Tell them "the only thing we care about is beating the crap out of the Chargers, and guess what? This week the Seahawks are the Chargers."

11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bummer eh faida fanatics? Black out of the Mon. nite home opener! Well look at it this way , at least you won't have to watch the faidas get their asses handed to em, you'll be able to listen to "greg papa-smear" play by play all the excrement! Goooooooo faidas!!!!! Get those tix SOON or you'll be listenen' like me! 0-16 in "09" you can do it big al (MR.) davis, what a hot mess (MR.) davis is huh faida fanatics? He look like he was riden hard and put away real wet!!!!!

12:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"smelly panty" for head givin' coach! He still believes!!!!! I think you gotta put "panty swiller" in at HC, if not "panty" the only real HC would be the genius hisself...............big al(the hot mess) (MR.) davis, Mister football of all times!!!!!! I'll give you MAGOOS A VALUBLE HINT, TAKE THE CHARGERS....give the points and you'll still walk with the money baby.....Just take the money and run baby!!!!! Where's "huggy cub" when you need em'? Oh yeah , he's injured AGAIN Yikes!!!!!!

12:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

45 to zip, ooohhh, put thr "shizzle brick' in , He's a BAAAAAAAD MAMMARY!!!!!! (THE "SHIZZLE BRICK" suckS!) Always did, always will!!!!! Sylvester school of eloquetion alumn, along with "plunkster' and "tommyboy mr. flowers flores".....ha ha ha

12:27 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"smelly panty" you are priceless, you epitomize the faida fanatic mentality, you and they are one, thugster idiots who haven't got a clue, I love you "panty" you are the PREFECT FOOL !!!!! Never stop entertaining us with you insightful "take " on the faida fenomena....Get it "smelly"? I doubt it....Any how with a fanatic base of booger eatin' MORONS being the overwhelming bulk of faida fanaticism I will love every second of the season, Loss after loss will be my bread and butter, OH yeah baby bring on the regular season, Ka-Ching....Moola in da bank baby....Just LOSE baby, I love you "faida "nation" You IJEETS are my favorite form of entertainment. Did you see all the empty seats!!!!!!! Wow, maybe big al (MR.) davis can give free tickets to boyscouts and girlscouts to fill the empty stadium, No televised home games through out the season....ANOTHER faida NFL record in the making! Maybe 2 records this year 0-16 can be accomplished by this team! Nice hair cut "j-rustus" is that your 'landing strip hair cut?

1:58 AM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

Is that you, coach?


8:37 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Looks to me like the "Faider" guy writes just like Panty. It wouldn't suprise me with the sickness that Panty shows within himself, that FAIDER guy could very well be Panty himself. Is this what BR was refering to with his dysfunction comment? You have to be very dysfunctional to marry a 15 yr old.


So some guy or guys on a blog wrote TRUTH in his posts, does that mean they are all me? I'm sure if you scoured the internet, there would be thousands who wrote TRUTH. Your stab at placing me as him......what are the odds, but you went ahead and did it anyway. WHY? because you wanted to join the " jones is an imposter" crowd headed by Mr. Insanity = Panty.

As far as "calibrating" my posts from's always been the same message. BR, Panty and the rest of the positive crew took runs at me with childish I gave it back. Wouldn't you?

Find it funny that the "positives" were all crying "uncle" and then along comes Faider guy to give panty a rallying point. Anyways, I ain't touching that sickness, panty can wallow in that all he wants.


10:07 AM  
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11:04 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Gee Panty, sounds like you made up the game, with your description or do you think you are Bob Dylan? about screws loose.


11:31 AM  
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11:33 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"whatever" panty, your association by " " is very did make up this game......I hope you do keep listening to the whispers, let them lead you to your are going deeper into your pit. Good luck with that.


11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jones, It's past time for you to concede, your just a boy in a man's game and your down for the count. These guys are feeding you your lunch while your blind to the truth and can't see it. It's time to put this garbage away and talk football so stop your crying, that's not the way Raider fans act.

This was a great place to enjoy reading comments from intelligent Raider fans before all this trash took over.

Agent Black

11:56 AM  
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12:00 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Agent black

LOL.....too funny, have we met?


12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


First time poster but long time viewer. Usually I never reply to messages on a board but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to learn grammar from someone as uneducated as this Panty Raider let alone copy his mistakes. Please, take a moment and learn how to write. The content is there at times but this total disregard for the rules of grammar is intolerable.

Here are some very simple hints.

(") is used to as a double quote not as a single quote which is (').

(....) is legitimately used to set off a quoted statement or as noting a portion of a quote has been skipped.

Writing in full caps is acceptable to highlight or emphasize a point but using it so liberally as is being done here or to holler at your correspondent is rediculas and childish.

Let me assure you, I surf around on many sites and rarely do I see something as odd as what has taken place here. The thought that there are 4 individuals posting on one board all with this same misinformed view of how the English language should be punctuated is absurd. So I can't help but agree that someone on this board is posting as multiple identities and a look at the general content pretty much tells the story as to who it may be.

You should consider getting professional help and don't wait, act now, because this is evidence of some very serious emotional problems.

2:20 PM  
Anonymous tinfoil said...

This is my plan:

I'm not going to watch any Raiders game until they prove they can compete and actually win more than they loose. (Until '05 I had watched every Raiders game I could - so this is a major change in my viewing habits).

I'm so damned tired of being sick and tired of my team's performance. And, no way in hell do I watch the Boys in the Band from ESPN v The Chargers.

Until they win, I'll DVR the games. They win, I'll watch. They loose, I simply delete.

Very liberating.

2:42 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

How does Al Davis find the time to post on this board?

Fantasy FF draft tonight. Only Zach Miller and McFadden are considerations. Oh yeah, maybe Jano, but unlikely.

I got burned last year picking Walker and Fargas.

2:45 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"at your correspondent is rediculas and childish."

Hey Mr Manners or "whatever". It is "RIDICULOUS"

Only one person can spell that word like this "rediculas" and we all know who that fits by their many posts.

"a man's game"......

Way too funny..


2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:20 pm, Anonymous said...
Hallow: ......

frkyraider <-----standing and applauding this post. very insightfull, and right on the money!!


4:43 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


I like your suggestion for treating the Hawks game differently than most teams do for the last exhibition game.

"Conventional" wisdom says to
(a) be vanilla in all your schemes and playcalling
(b) play your starters only a series or two
(c) prevent injuries at all costs

As Raider fans, I think it is worth mentioning that "conventional" wisdom doesn't necessarily seem like the right path for the Raiders in our particular circumstances.

If I was made HC for a day, I would put "conventional" wisdom on it's ear and seriously contemplate the following gameplan and goals for tomorrow night's game:

(1) Convince, cajole, and inspire the team to play this game like their life depended on it in order to build some positive momentun going into the Chargers game. Play the game like it should be played ... to win.

(2) Run the schemes and majority of plays that are intended for SD. Why not treat this game as a serious and true dress rehearsal for what you are going to actually do 11 days from now? Yeah, I know ... "conventional" wisdsom says we shouldn't show SD what we are going to do. The reality is that there countless options for playcalls and the element of "suprise" is neglible. Wouldn't it be more prudent to concentrate on execution? It isn't like there are locked in "tendencies" when we haven't even played a single regular season game.

As far as the risk for injury ... a player could get hurt tripping on his carpet (Culpepper), in practice (Schilens), in an exhibition game (Asomugha) or at any other juncture of the season. I'm not suggesting to be completely reckless. The point I'm trying to convey is that an actual game scenario is the time to get meaningful snaps and evaluations.

If the Raiders had won 7+ games last year

If the Raiders did have 6 consecutive double digit losses

If the Raiders didn't get completely mauled by SF & NO

I would be the first to say it would be wise to take the "conventional" path.

From my perspective, the Raider shaken not stirred. The team needs to find a way to bust out of a major hibernation and rut.

My bottom line is that I will applaud and support some well thought out risk taking if it is a means to an end. When someone puts their neck on the line by taking calculated risks at least you can admire and respect that he gives a damn.

The worst scenario for the Raiders is more of the same, status quo, getting comfortable with losing (It's only exhibition season", "It's only the 4th game of the season", "There's plenty of season left" yada, yada, yada.

Here's a novel idea for Raider coaches, players, and fans: Stop making any excuses at any time and man the F up.

6:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Ok, I drafted Russell. I couldn't help it... needed a backup QB. Somebody took Z.Miller earlier than I was willing to pick him.

This is the first year that my FFB team is not loaded up with Raiders. I guess I've had enough.

6:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Injuries are always a concern, but it's certainly justified to stretch the norm regarding playing time for starters and playcalling in tomorrow's game.

Here's a link I posted prior to the NO game. They might have live tv coverage of tomorrow's game. Last week, the picture and audio off this website were both quite good.

6:38 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


True. Injuries are always a concern. I don't discount that fact.

However, does anyone think our 1st units are "game ready" for the Chargers? Does anyone think our defensive 1st unit couldn't use the extra "work"?

Playing 1 series of vanilla ball will minimize the risk for injuries but at what cost to performance & execution for when the games count?

6:49 PM  
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6:54 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

CJ -

I agree completely. This team really needs and deserves extra work based on their effort so far.

If you listen to Cable (on he said Russell will be out quickly, but he didn't offer much else. J-Mac has a new post with some additional info.

If I had my way, I'd leave the starting front 7 in the entire first half (with their normal rotations). The only player on D I would give a pass is Chris Johnson. Nnamdi is out anyway.

Obviously, limit McFadden and Bush, but I want to see Walker and DHB get some chances.

7:04 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PantyRaider -

Yeah, I had to do that and I had no problems, but I certainly wouldn't recommend downloading anything from an unfamiliar site. I guess my desire to watch Raider football outweighed my own common sense.

7:16 PM  
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8:24 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


I guess what I'm looking for is a sensible yet aggressive plan for the Raiders to get out of the doldrums. I see this preseason game with the Hawks as a critical stepping stone towards building much needed confidence and getting much needed "work". As I see it, the majority of both offensive and defensive 1st unit starters should get reps. in the 1st half. Sure there are a few players (CJ, JRuss, and McFadden that come to mind) that should probably only be on the field for 2 series. Everyone else should relish the opportunity to fine tune their craft.

I don't pretend that Cable will go against the grain or conventional wisdom. What I expect is to see the usual last exhibition rotation where it is 2nd and 3rd unit scrubs getting the bulk of the work and 27 some players being shown the pink slip a few days later.

IMHO, there needs to be something that happens and is established over the next 2 weeks that recalibrates our course. There needs to be the equivalent of an awakening or VERY loud alarm bells going off. The real bullets fly in less than 2 weeks and we are ill prepared at this moment in time.

As I've said numerous times, our season hinges on the 1st 3 weeks vs. SD, at KC, vs. Den.

All I'm suggesting is a stonger and more focuses sense of urgency. This is a clear call for inspriational leadership and a solid, yet outside the box, plan. Anything less and it will be awfully difficult to have a real sense that there is hope for a turnaround. Another 4,5 win season and many Raider fans will be wondering why weren't more drastic, urgent steps taken back in August.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

here is what i believe is our best chance for success this year.

on offense. run, run, run. use mcfadden/bush/fargas to pound the ball, and eat the clock.

clearly, our rb's are our best asset, and we should use them to control the ball, and keep our sleepy defense off the field.

on defense. i would imploy the 46 defense for this "keystone" unit.

try to bring everyone + the kitchen sink on every play, and hope to get the ball carrier before the play can develop.

with a huge hole up the middle of this D. very underwhelming DE's, and, once again, big ?? at safety positions, this unit will get "embarassed" week after week.

might as well go for broke with the 46, and hope for the best.

as the song goes, "when you aint got nothing, you got nothing to lose".

9:48 PM  
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12:47 AM  
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1:26 AM  
Blogger H said...

Ok guys, just a drive by. I’ve been arguing with some Canadians over a software project that is due October first.

It was pathetic, especially on defense. Losing Nnamdi after the first series didn’t help, but it had no affect on the performance. I am reminded of the Atlanta game last year. No excuses, pathetic.

Russell was the bright spot, 12/18 158-0-0, but his fumble along with Murphy’s and a couple of ill timed penalties created a train wreck.

Tonight will be a test of how the team will react to something like that. I have read virtually zero on the game. Didn’t need to, I saw it.

I will also be MIA until after opening night. Leaving on my annual mountain sojourn, but this year it will be a ten day trip up through Virginia.

Since it is still preseason the glass remains at 63.2% full.


4:25 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, our running game is not a given, particularly with teams stacking the box. Our line is highly suspect in both run and pass blocking.

We are still without an established center; Carlisle has clearly lost a step or two since his first season here; Green is at best a backup on any other team; and Henderson is still a little wet behind the ears... although the left side is clearly the strength.

IMO, J-Russ will have to elevate his game under fire and be prepared to pass his way to victory (largely with unproven and rookie WRs) in order for this offense to be successful.

On defense, I can only hope the front 7 has another gear they can shift in to when the season starts. Otherwise, we're done before we start.

The thing that bothers me the most is the lack of aggressiveness at the line. We're still dropping DL back in coverages, and rushing 3 on critical downs.

If you give a pro QB time, he will beat you. It's that simple.

PR - I can't answer the questions you ask about the tv link. I'm not certain that 1) they will carry the Raiders game tonight, or 2) it will still be accessible to me.

5:01 AM  
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5:26 AM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

H: Have a good vacation, my friend!

PR: I hope that move goes well--where are you moving to?


10:35 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Wow... Football talk again. Am I in the right place?

Our major problem, I think, is going to be our run defense again. I expect that O-line problems will work themselves out when Barnes comes of the injured list. He'll provide some more competition on the right side. If Wade wins the starting center spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see Santele moved to RG.

As for the run D, I think we still need personnel improvement across the D-line. Kelly has apparently been playing very well in camp, and clogging up his side of the field. We are going to have to find a solid DT on the other side.

Also, Howard and Morrison are fast and great in coverage, but still seem to have trouble finding their gaps and making tackles on RBs. We seem to be improving at the SAM position. As for safety, it's been spotty, but we've done a lot of shifting around at these positions because of injuries and the need to look at different combinations. It's a position that still needs to be settled in. Without injuries, we'll be solid at corner. But if either Nnamdi or Johnson go down, we'll be hurting.

For an effective season, we're going to have to pump up the offense and use ball control to keep the defense off the field as much as possible.

No predictions on Seattle, but it's meaningsless anyway. All I'm really looking forward to is effort. If we don't see that, it's going to be another long year.

H - I thought you left us. Glad to see you haven't.

10:53 AM  
Blogger H said...


Not gonna happen. Just bad timing. Arguing with Canadians for 8 hours a day can wear a guy down, but I won. Though this might be my last post for about a week.

Where we go there's not necessarily internet connections, if you can believe it, and cell service is intermitten at best.


Thanks, one of the things I actually like about going to certain parts of the mountains is the lack of technology. Although I will sit down somewhere Saturday night and watch the Alabama game. Real football, seems like a long time.

See you guys in 7-10 days.


11:25 AM  
Blogger H said...

Ok, one last drive by. I am reminded of the Parakeet game last year.

That was the infamous "I know how to fix this" game. From there to the end of the season play improved dramatically.

So, we shall see.


11:28 AM  
Anonymous Derick from Section 344 said...

All the issues brought up in this blog are vaild. No realistic fan could possibly look at this team and think we have an upper tier organization, poised for some kind of long playoff run.

Having said that, my whole philosophy with this current crop of raiders is that I'd like to think we're building towards something, Not since 2002 but since we drafted our Quarterback. We do have SOME talent, and from one Sunday to the next its pretty hard to determine what your going to see out there.

As we all know, things can change drastically on a week to week basis. After last years 35-3 effort in New Orleans, would anyone has suspected they'd go on to upset the Jets the very next week? After the Falcons debacle (in my opinion a much more disturbing effort than last weeks Saints game) would anyone have thought we would ever win another game all year? let alone against 2 teams fighting for their playoff lives and ON THE ROAD?? (Throw in a red hot Texans team for good measure.)

Look, the New Orleans game was a 1980's era Mike Tyson punch to the stomach for any Raiders fan who was going into the San Diego Game with any confidence. You get the sense that if the Raider played the Saints 100 times in a row they could never beat them. But having said that, it WAS the Saints. Had this happened the week before in San Francisco I think it would be a lot more crippling. Wait and see how may teams the Saints run up the score on this year, trust me we won't be the only ones with the only major difference being ours won't have counted.

Is this current roster ready to compete on a week to week basis with the leagues elite?? Hell No. Would I like to think that starting with Jamarcus in 07 and McFadden in 08 we are continuing to make a valid attempt to move in that direction?? Yes I do.

This may upset RT himself but 7 -9 or 8-8 would absolutely thrill me this year. That to me would signal progress. Maybe some will think I'm settling, or asking to little a return on my hard earned season ticket money but what can I say, I'm in this for the long haul and I want to see how these young guys turn out. It is my sincere hope that one day in the not too distant future I'll be absolutely positive it was all worth it.

Go raiders.

11:34 AM  
Anonymous ButteryPat said...

Derick, great post. That's pretty much how I feel about all of this.

H, I too am thrilled you haven't left us. Hope your get-away treats you well and leaves you rested.

Now, I could watch the Gators maul Charleston South, for $135.00 on PPV (insane, right?) But I think I know how it's gonna turn out, so I'll just wait.

I'm having some friends (Seahawks fans) over to watch the game tonight. Should be fun. I hope we see more consistency from J-Russ (though he'll be out quickly), some good plays from the receivers, and a line that isn't getting pummeled every play.

By the way, Panty, Dwayne Boye is out for the season? If that's the case, they're completely screwed. Thank God for the Chiefs. At least we know we're safe from last place.

Oh, and one last thing. Let's all put our "what if" hats on and use our deductive powers in order to determine what would have happened had the Raiders gotten rid of a newly hired offensive coordinator before the season started. "More signs of dysfunction from Raider land", "Al Davis is a tyrant" perhaps? Probably not what I saw today, which was a bunch of defending and hemming-and-hawing on the subject. "News You (Can't) Use" maybe?

2:03 PM  
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2:39 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

New take up, please comment on the game there.

5:59 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Saw some words of wisdom type quotes on some site today. This one seems especially appropos to the Raiders. CJ

"Football games aren't won — they're lost." — Fielding Yost

Not just a slogan for defensive-minded teams, but for all teams. What the legendary University of Michigan coach was driving at was the importance of execution and mental focus. The team that makes the fewest mistakes often wins the game, whether in the form of penalties, turnovers, dropped passes or missed assignments, or a combination of all of the above. During his 25-year tenure in Ann Arbor , Yost won 165 games, lost 29 and tied 10.

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