Thursday, December 13, 2007

News You Can't Use

Mentioning an unsubstantiated rumor makes you a perpetrator of the rumor. Mentioning an unsubstantiated rumor in a major media outlet makes you a gross perpetrator of the rumor. This is a fact, there’s no debating it, case closed.

Which makes many in our local sports media gross perpetrators of unsubstantiated rumors. Nice.

Some weeks ago, Lane Kiffin was mentioned in a speculative report as a potential candidate for the Arkansas job. Not a single credible source was named, but the local media still ran with the rumor, and pestered Kiffin about it for two straight days.

Now the rumors of Kiffin’s wandering eye have resurfaced, thanks to a site that at least has the self awareness to put its unsubstantiated rumors under the banner of “Rumor Mill.” The site claimed that Kiffin was outraged at not getting the Arkansas job, and that he’s still anxious to jump ship for the college ranks.

So, this morning we are faced with more speculative palaver. This is how one Bay Area outlet poured gasoline on the fire while, of course, implying that we not shoot the messenger: “Still, the rumor persisted until Atlanta Falcons coach Bobby Petrino resigned Tuesday and accepted the Arkansas job. That prompted even more Kiffin mentions, though nary a single one cited a named source… When asked if he had any desire to take a college coaching job at any point, Kiffin said: ‘No, no. I'm coaching the Raiders and getting us ready to play. I don't have any idea where all that information came from.’”

This is how the media perpetrators cling to the illusion of occupying the high road. Of course it’s not okay to initiate unsubstantiated rumors, but, hey, if someone else starts one and we just report on and perpetuate the rumor, well, by golly, it’s all in a good day’s work. Is it 3 p.m. yet? I could use a good vodka tonic. I’m exhausted by all of my original reporting. I wore the leather right off my shoe today.

Let’s be clear about one thing: irresponsible and unsubstantiated rumors can later be proven true, but that doesn’t make them any less irresponsible and unsubstantiated. Could Lane Kiffin jump ship for Michigan? I guess it’s possible. It’s also possible that he might be a space alien.

The news about Bobby Petrino bolting Atlanta for Arkansas suggests that the previous rumor about Kiffin bolting to Arkansas was both harmful and wrong. Yet instead of feeling chastened by this revelation, the local media instead use this news as yet another excuse to pester Kiffin and speculate about his inner thoughts.

Just because a rumor exists doesn’t mean you have to report on it. Really. You could just ignore it. The previous rumor was dead wrong, and the new one doesn’t cite a single named source. You don’t have to bite on every piece of bait in the information ocean, do you? Get a professional grip, folks.

On one final hypocritical note, we should observe that the mainstream media are constantly trying to draw a distinction between themselves and mere “bloggers.” This distinction allegedly rests on the notion of journalistic standards (we know it has nothing to do with writing talent, that’s for sure), to which bloggers supposedly aren’t beholden.

And yet the mainstream media are more than happy to let the blogger tail wag their dog on a slow news day, biting on juicy internet-fueled rumors that should be ignored rather than perpetuated.

And that, Raiders fans, is news you can't use.

P.S. The editor of the aforementioned "Rumor Mill" site is featured in the current issue of Sports Illustrated, in which he admits that he is not bound by traditional journalistic standards (who is anymore?), and in which he is quoted as saying, "We don't report rumors as hard news. We trust our readers to know the difference." And yet we apparently can't trust some members of the local sports media to know the difference. Go figure.

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Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Nice, RT, but I think you let PFT off the hook. Their 2nd post on the subject practically said that Kiffin denying it proves it. I think PFT has grown big enough to start accepting some responsibility for what they write.

I posted the following at the end of your last publication, and I wanted to be sure that Pyscho got the compliment.

Damn, Psycho! Great analysis! You've won me over. I admit that every time I hear "cut Burgess" it sounds like fingernails across a blackboard.

Sapp I don't worry about too much because he could just as easily retire at the end of the year, by his own choice. If he does, I want to bring him back in as a defensive line coach, and groom him as a DC.

memdf was right about the year of the 3-4. We did it because we had Kinlaw (a rock) in the middle, and an over abundance of quality LBs. There was no long term planning in it. It was done almost by accident, Flores just realized we were better suited for it.

However, since there was no long term commitment to the 3-4, the following year we had a very average defense and went 7-9.

I think the style and type of defense you play has to be based on the notion that "that's who we are." What we're talking about here is experimentation to see if SOB works better in the 3-4 because that's the way he started.

This takes us to another problem. I believe that one of the major problems with the Raiders over the last several years has been that the Raiders have lost their identity. How often have you heard owners, coaches, players and prognosticators talk about identity? It is extremely important. That is why Davis wanted to bring back Shell, not because he was the only person who would coach here.

If SOB can't coach a 4-3, I'd say we need to get a new DC. Either that or make him HC and have him define who we are. He's already got the look for it. But I think I pretty much prefer Kiffin.

If there is any merit to the Kiffin rumors, I'd say turn it over to Rob, but I don't think there is any there there.

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in. According to sources close to the situation, after discovering there are no good looking women in the Arkansas football headquarters facility, Bobby Petrino has decided to resign from his head coaching position at Arkansas.

Sources in Oakland and Arkansas have placed Lane Kiffin back in the mix as the front runner for the job. Someone get Adam Schefter on the phone!

Bastards made me lose sleep for nothing.

Psycho

9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw it, thanks blanda. Now watch me be wrong and our 3-4 D dominates next year.

Psycho

9:25 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm not letting PFT off the hook, I'm just ignoring them, as I would have expected the local media to do in this case.

PFT has done nothing to merit my attention on this "story."

What's newsworthy to me isn't that a site publishes a wild rumor under the banner of "Rumor Mill," but rather that the local media would perpetuate the rumor under the guise of legitimate news.

I find PFT to be entertaining, and at least they call their rumors rumors.

9:29 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

RT, I see your point. But then they've grown big enough to where even their "rumors" take on a merit of their own, and they ought to at least give some hint as to why they think a source might be creditable.

Still, they do not call themselves "journalists" so your point remains intact.

For "rumors" there are two questions you have to ask. Who would benefit from the information being out there? Who would be damaged if it were discovered that they were the source of the information? PFT cites it, not as a source inside the Raider organization, but a source inside the NFL. The only name I can come up with that fits with the source and the answers to the questions is Lombardi.

9:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RT, if you keep mentioning Kiffin being a space alien, I'm sure PFT would like to use you as a "source" on that bombshell. Maybe after the Michigan job is filled and they run out of options.

Psycho

9:50 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Here's part of the hypocrisy perpetuated in the media.

The media crucified Nick Saban when he didn't say he was takeing the Alabama job with some number of games remaining. I think it was four. At the time the fish were still in the hunt, albeit slim, for a playoff berth.

After he was first approached, he turned it down and Alabama offered the job to Rich Rodriguez of West Virginia. He verbally agreed then backed out after the pot was sweetened by UVW.

Alabama waited until the season was over then got Saban. What went on in the interim I don't know.

But Saban was taken to task and treated like the anti-Christ for "lying" to the press in early December. They said he should have said he was going and go.

Now Petrino is being crucified for leaving with three games remaining and jumping ship. Admittedly Petrino snuck out of town through the back door, which is a lot worse than what Saban did.

But the media operates under the rule, "Even if they answer the question, keep asking." They hound people and spread rumors with no evidence then get all pompous and sanctimonious when those same people lie to them.

Much like the pot calling the kettle black.

H

10:02 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Also, once one position is filled, much like Gruden when he was with us, Kiffins name will surface with the next one.

Sometimes it's the agent trying to get a raise for the coach. But, mostly it is lazy so called journalist with so many words they have to submit to their editor.

H

10:04 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here's something from Jerry MacDonald that I hadn't previously heard. It seems we have a back up for JaMarcus next season. JMac is of the impression (although he has not "source" to site) that Culpepper is done, and wants to move on to be a starter. But...

"McCown, on the other hand, has already said he wouldn't mind coming back."

10:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McCown will make a fine #2. He likely won't find a starting spot out there so our chances are good.

Psycho

10:40 AM  
Anonymous 206Raider said...

My god. It took us until week 14 before we put a bullet into our post season hopes. Sad part is, it's been years since we've been in it for this long.

Quite honestly, I always hoped we didn't make the playoffs this year. We haven't been ready for a prime-time game in 3 years. We wouldn't be ready for a playoff game this year. Losses in the post season nowadays takes teams years to recover from, literally.

So I got my wish. Can't say I'm all to excited about the Raiders not making the playoffs... but we are on the rise. Who wants to go into the playoffs with a pretty gun and no bullets? I expect holder of the AFC Western crown to fall flat on their face in the playoffs and their franchise will suffer for quite a while because of it.

We are in the middle of an insane portion of our schedule. We are facing teams that have the ability to go deep into the playoffs (and possibly the Super Bowl) during a crucial time of year for them. We don't get a break until San Diego, if you can call that a break. It's going to be interesting how we weather the storm. If it's anything like what happened in Green Bay it'll be painful to watch as a Raider fan. It'll be great for our future though.

This stretch will give our leaders hours of footage to look over. It will assist on answering the question of who is going to help our team or not. I am already excited about what this offseason and what it has potential for.

The very key thing that needs to happen is we need to have our coaching staff together as much as possible. Another year together will do nothing but good for the franchise. We cannot afford to lose many position assistants, let alone coordinators and the head coach.... again. The coaching carosel has to stop right now, and I honestly feel it has. I would applaud the decision to hire on a true GM for this team however. I feel its needed.

Lane Kiffin and Al Davis are going to argue and fight over personnel this offseason. Al has his ideas, and Lane has his. The plus for Raider fans is Lane is not a "yes man" and Al loves a good debate (as do most guys from Brooklyn, yes I'm generalizing, but prove me wrong....).

I like what direction we're heading in. It pisses me off that I'm writing another piece about how bright the future is. But when you stand back and look at it, we are getting better. All those people who want instant gradification aren't getting their way, but I'm not losing sleep over it. We'll win them back.

Lane Kiffin is handling the JaMarcus Russell situation the right way. He throws a beautiful football. I am not a JaMarcus fan yet because there are just too many question marks to me. However I can tell in the right situation next year that he can shine and he can win me over as a fan. That is difficult to do cause, as those of you who know me on this board, know that I can't stand quarterbacks and it takes me a while to even warm up to Raiders quarterbacks.

One thing I would like to see before we break for the offseason is Michael Bush get some playing time. I question drafting a 1 legged running back and I'm not too comfortable going into this offseason assuming he's going to play well next year. His situation is different that JaMarcus Russells... Russell doesn't have an arm ailment physically.

We have a great core of players that we need to concentrate on making financially happy this offseason.

Nnamdi is a no brainer. Corners like him deserve the money that over-paid mediocre corners get in San Fransisco.

Justin Fargas is another guy. Those who have followed my posts should be shocked to hear that. I have been exceptionally hard on the guy. The zone blocking scheme enables you to not have to pay top dollar to a running back or an offensive lineman, but this guy deserves every dollar he gets. He is a hard worker and is extremely hard to take down. The risk for complatency is very minimal and he appriciates everything. Lane Kiffin really brought out the absolute best in Fargas. Both will win big if they can get the deal done.

Tommy Kelly needs to be looked at for resigning. The only thing that worries me is he ability to stay healthy and help us out in the later months. Other than that, Tommy Kelly is the man!

As far as I know the rest of the productive guys are still under talent. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am prepared to write off this years drafting mistakes. For the most part I think this was Lane Kiffins draft and he learned quickly the translation between college and the pro's. The promising thing to me in this regime is we cut guys we just should not have drafted instead of holding onto them just to save face. That's a huge positive in my mind.

We need to draft lines. Period. Even if Chris Long wasn't Howie's kid I'd say we need to make him our priority. The guy is a game changer. If you never seen Long play all you need to know is his school retired his jersey while he was still active.

It would be nice to find some gems at guard and center in the draft. I am pleased with Jeremy Newberry's performance this year. He didn't play spectacular but he's been the best center we've had in a while. Jeremy's play enhances the play of young Jake Grove and he's just an all around good guy. He's no spring chicken though and I think we got out of him all we can get.

In free agency we need to key in on Albert Haynesworth. If we picked up anyone else in free agency it'd be an added bonus, but Haynesworth is the need. I don't think the character issues are present any more and should disappear with an entire change of environment. A healthy Haynesworth should make us a formidable opponent. Even if we keep the one dimensional Burgess or aging Sapp.

I expect Al Davis to be Al Davis in free agency though. I expect Al Davis to pick up a flashy wide reciever that likes to buck the system, self promote, and piss everyone off that is not on his side. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Chad Johnson in the offseason. I am ignorant about Chad's contract situation in Kentucky but I just have a hunch.

There is hope... I am just have to drink (alot more than usual) during the month of December to black this beating we about to enbark on out. Then we are in the clear. If we do things I have laid out here, if the advise is followed and my hunches are correct. If the Chargers lay an egg in the playoffs this year....


.... we'll take their spot next year.

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Raiders do end up looking for a HC next year, do you think Schottenheimer might be interested? HA!! :) JF

11:50 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

BLANDAROCKED,

let me get this straight.
the raiders hired rob ryan to be their DC. ryan likes to run a 3-4 defense, but because the raiders lack enough quality LB's, ryan is forced to use a 4-3 instead.

now, several years later, the raiders still do not have the personnel to play the 3-4 ryan prefers.
it doesn't look as if there is any plan at all to ever use the 3-4 defense. so ryan presses on and the raiders cannot stop the run.

to top it all off, you say if kiffin were to leave for some reason, the raiders should consider ryan, a failed DC, for the head coaching position.

have i got this story straight, or is there something i'm missing ?

oh, and yeah, al davis is great.
let's not forget that one.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous H said...

A point of note:

Let's assume the Dolts win the division this season (pretty safe assumption).

Now, in this decade the Chefs will have one division championship, the Mules will have one, the Dolts will have three and we will have three. The Dolt's just caught us.

This team as currently constituted is not to far from being a playoff team. Established, consistant quarterback play, a decent left tackle and stopping the run on defense.

Those are the three major needs as I see it. I am keeping it to three because you can't fix everything at once.

Fill those gaps and we will be contending for our fourth division championship this decade.

As for QB, we have the man on the team. Will he work out? We shall see.

On defense, I can't see us moving to a 3-4. I would prefer we get the DT's in that can operate against the run. I like Sapp, but he doesn't play the run well. He isn't double teamed as much as in the past. Sacks are great when you get them from the tackles, but that's more the job of the ends and LB's. I don't understand why a coach who has been around football all their lives doesn't know the nuances between the 3-4 and the 4-3. So if Ryan needs to be replaced by a 4-3 genius, the so be it.

Turdell Sands was given a big contract and has shown very little return on investment for the Raiders. A guy that big should be attracting two or three blockers every run play. He needs to be replaced.

At left tackle, I would prefer going FA. Get a known quantity. Not sure who is out there this year but there is time to investigate.

I know we could use some help at safety, but maybe Eugene can fill in at SS and Huff can move to FS while the other items are being addressed.

Just one man's opinion.

H

1:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of News You Can't Use, check this out:

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/20603.html

Psycho

1:12 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Well, Raider00, now that you've put a bunch of words in my mouth, I'll spit them out and tell you what my position is.

I don't think Kiffin is going anywhere, nor do I think Ryan is going anywhere. Others here have suggested that Ryan's trouble is that he only knows the 3-4. Just because a post is next to mine, don't assume that I necessarily echo it.

I don't think the trouble is with Ryan, I listen to Sapp who says the trouble is the players' inability to learn to "stay in their gaps, and do their damn jobs."

Is it your problem that you don't think I should be allowed to muse on somebody elses suggestion even if I don't necessarily agree with it? My portion of that conversation is essentially, the 3-4 takes a long term commitment, the team identity is more important, Ryan (physically) fits the team identity if PFT is right (which I've pretty much said repeatedly that they are not).

Now, whoes post do you want me to answer for? It might be easier if you just gave me somebodies quote and I tell you what I think of it.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H,

I'm still a caveman fan for the most part but I feel I should point out something else.

We gave "Turdell" that huge contract last year mostly based on Ryan's opinion of him. Ryan was ranting & raving about what a force he is, and that he is going to be one of the top DT's in the league.

Either Ryan was wrong on that, or he hasn't coached Turdell up right. Either way Ryan owes us one.

Psycho

1:22 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

BLANDAROCKED,

here is what i read in your 9:21 am blog:

"if SOB can't coach a 4-3, i'd say we need to get a new DC. either that or make him HC and have him define who we really are...
but i think i pretty much prefer kiffin...
if there's any merit to the kiffin rumors, i'd say turn it over to Rob".

you seem to be saying we should fire ryan as DC, but consider him for HC, no ?

you also seem to say we must use a 4-3 D, even if we were to hire a HC,(Ryan), that believes in a 3-4 style, no ?

if not your words, where to you get this crazy stuff ?????

1:34 PM  
Anonymous r2g said...

Right on the nail, RT! You were right in not mentioning the site and giving them unwarranted PR. I would take it a step further and not even mention the rumors anymore as it become clear that there will always be speculative disharmony following the Raiders until Al meets his maker. Our offseason begins Sunday in terms of player and coaching evaluations, and if we use this time wisely, we may be able to get some bargaining chips for draft picks. Addressing Blanda's point, wouldn't you argue that the identity of the Oakland Raiders, for better or worse, is Al Davis?

1:43 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

It's kind of easy to answer. There is the word "if" in there. Words mean things. "If Rob Ryan can't handle the 4-3..." You see how that works?

Personally, I think he can, and I think his defensive system works - when it's played correctly as it was in Denver. I didn't say "Rob Ryan can't handle the 4-3 so lets make him HC." If you can find that quote, let me know.

There's also another "if" in there. "If PFT is correct..." I did not say, "PFT is right about Kiffin so let's make Rob Ryan the head coach."

So the way this game of "if" is played essentially, "if" one thing happens, maybe another thing should happen.

Lastly, you can be a better HC than a DC and visa versa. It is possible, you know. They are, in fact, different jobs. It just like you can be a better player than a coach, or a better coach than a player. Or do you believe that if you are crappy at one thing, you must be crappy at everything?

1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If if's and butts are candy and nutts.....How does that go?

2:19 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Blandarocked,

rob ryan is in his 4th season as DC for the raiders. i do not think there is any reason whatsoever for the word "if".
our defense sucks and he is in charge. that is a fact.

i don't put it all on ryan's shoulders. he said when he came here he was a 3-4 guy.
the raiders should have obtained the proper personnel for the 3-4 D, or found a DC who could coach the 4-3 effectively.

that's the real problem here. the raiders are constantly trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
ryan is another example of that.

i have seen good coordinators become bad HC's (norv turner for one), but i have never seen a bad coordinator become a good HC.
can you name one ?

2:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Raider00, not off the top of my head, but it's not a matter of can't, it's a matter of few opportunities. Generally a bad coordinator never gets the chance to be an HC. But the jobs are different. I'll tell you that I think Art Shell is a far better HC than he would be a coordinator. He's never been a coordinator, but I believe he'd be crappy at it. The first time around Shell was a good HC as long as he had good people around him.

An HC can survive by being an effective manager, a coordinator can't.

And I disagree with you. Whenever the players "cover their gaps, and do their damn job" Ryan's defense works just fine. Or are you ignoring the Denver game?

2:42 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Re "cover your gaps, and do your damn job." It's interesting to note that the Colts had exactly the same problem with their defense last year. They were atrocious against the run. They gave up something like 175 yards a game. According to their coach, it was the same problem. Players weren't covering their gaps. Then, in the playoffs, suddenly they got it, and they've been just fine since.

2:48 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Blandarocked,

no need to ignore the donks game.
but we won the chefs game too and still gave up tons of yards on the ground.

you can't put lipstick on this pig. we have been a terrible run defense this season.

if ryan returns next year, we'd better get him his players for the 3-4, or else i wouldn't expect much improvemnet.

3:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Apparently, having "rumor" in a name or heading is a license to commit journalistic fraud.

What's the chances of Saban or Petrino ever being considered for NFL jobs again? Zero! Two losers with no personal or professional integrity.

I like the way Petrino linked his desire not to coach for the Raiders as the “best thing for his family,” later stating that his decision to coach for Atlanta was the “best thing for his family,” and now saying that abandoning Atlanta for Arkansas is the “best thing for his family.” What a tool, using “his family” as an excuse for self-indulging gains. News flash Bobby, it’s all about you!

Kiffin wants to be an NFL coach. Hopefully, AD will give him the autonomy he needs to do his job well.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider00,
Our players can't stay in their gaps running a simplistic base 4-3 which they've been running for years. The other issue is they can't tackle if they DO manage to fill a gap.

What makes you think a change to a 3-4 will fix these problems? It would probably just complicate matters to the point where we're twice as bad against the run. When you're talking about running the 3-4 you're talking about a complicated blitzing scheme no matter how you cut it.

I'm all for getting some better players here & there, and I'm all for experimenting with the 3-4. But don't get it twisted, it's not a magic wand.

Psycho

4:03 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Psycho,

no magic needed here, just something the raiders have lacked for 25 yrs now, common sense.

rob ryan believes in the 3-4 defense. he said that when he came here.
the expectation was that the raiders would be switching to a 3-4 defense. that was four yrs ago.

today, we still have a 3-4 D coordinator, coaching a 4-3 scheme.
what sense does that make ?
why won't the raiders go get ryan the players he needs to coach the system he knows best ??

and psycho, are you saying if it's hard, the raiders shouldn't try to do it ?
should the raiders only take the easy way ?

sure doesn't sound like the road to the super bowl to me.

4:18 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And, BTW, Raider00...

How you "quoted" me:

"if SOB can't coach a 4-3, i'd say we need to get a new DC. either that or make him HC and have him define who we really are...
but i think i pretty much prefer kiffin...
if there's any merit to the kiffin rumors, i'd say turn it over to Rob"

And what I really said:

"If SOB can't coach a 4-3, I'd say we need to get a new DC. Either that or make him HC and have him define who we are. He's already got the look for it. But I think I pretty much prefer Kiffin.

"If there is any merit to the Kiffin rumors, I'd say turn it over to Rob, but I don't think there is any there there."

Very similar, but nuance means quite a bit. I think it's mostly what you left out that's important.

4:24 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Raider00:

I think it's the HC who generally determines what D we're going to use. I know you'd argue that Al Davis determines everything, but the Raiders have used the 3-4 during his history with the team.

And I agree with Psycho, even though he didn't exactly say what I'm about to say. If you can't do a 4-3, you have no place in the NFL.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider00,
I'm not against switching to the 3-4 in the long run. So no I'm not saying take the easy way out. Just trying to put things into perspective (see my late post on previous Take for details).

Realistically though it cannot be done in one season in our current state without a complete overhaul of the front 7. And right now that energy needs to be focused on the offense as much, if not more, than the defense.

So yeah, when looking at D prospects keep the 3-4 in mind and maybe run it a little. But we can't put all our eggs in one basket over it.

And as long as Sapp is on this team I'm completely against running the 3-4 as our primary D. If he retires, fine. But personally, I'd never cut him.

And Burgess? Are you willing to part with him? 5 sacks 16 sacks, I'm not. and I wouldn't expect him to cover TE's in a 3-4 either.

Psycho

4:35 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Blandarocked,

you know i think al davis determines everything ?
are you putting words in my mouth ??

Psycho,

you are right, switching to a 3-4 defense probably cannot be done in one season.
that is why we should have started the moment rob ryan was hired.
the 3-4 was ryan's strength, and yet we make him coach to his apparent weakness.

to me it's simple. if ryan returns next year, we must begin the proccess of switching to the 3-4 no matter how hard it might be.

if we are sticking with a 4-3 scheme, ryan must go.

5:16 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Sorry, Raider00, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. And regarding the 4-3, I still think the problem is the horses and not the trainer. I also think that SOB will get a look for HC by the Dolphins and the 49ers in the off season.

I'm curious how Kiffin will use JRuss this weekend. My guess is that JRuss will get the 2nd quarter. That way he can get to a 2 minute drill, and still not have to play with the game on the line.

However, I'm starting to think JRuss will get the start agains SD.

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
We need to simply figure out who's in charge of the D and what scheme we want to run on D. Seems there's no clarity. Why? I suppose Coach Davis & Coach Ryan aren't jelling well. Ryan did seem to be a 3-4 guy that was being allowed to try a 3-4 initially, with one caveat... he had to try it WITH AL'S personnel... Brayton, Irons etc etc. An experiment that really never had a chance. We need a fresh start on D next year. We need a DC that will do like Kiffen and try to be his own man... push Al aside. I bet anything Monte has heard his son talk about this and is advising him of DC's he should push for. You can bet Monty will help him diagnose the D and I bet personnel and placement is most of the problem. Has Caveman spoke up and said, "I need this guy" or "get me this guy in FA"? Doesn't look like it.
I like Howie's kid, but what top offensive tackles has he went head to head with? I don't watch much ACC. I know Virginia thumped Pitt but the tackle for Pitt is supposedly round 1 material... how'd Long do in that game? How'd he do against VA TEch, the best team in the conference? I like Long, but the ACC is so weak right now, we'd need to be careful.
I think competition in college is a big key to evaluating draft picks.
We need to start abiding by two things when we draft:
1. Did they produce in college against good competition? If they didn't, then chances are they won't produce in the pros.
2. Do they fit our schemes?
Kiffen has a definite scheme and plan... and should look to add players suited for his scheme... particularly at WR. As for the D, I'm not sure what the hell we're trying to run, all I know is the talk about not filling gaps and assignments is getting old... I still contend that we do not have personnel on D that WANT to be in those gaps. No physicality. Very little. Plenty of combine talent and speed, but very little blue collar types.
I watch mostly SEC (I don't think it is necessarily the best conference, just a little up right now... I think USC is probably the best team) and I'll be a bit of a homer here: I really like Quenten Groves of Auburn. A lot. I think he can make the transition to OLB in the NFL and would make for a very nasty LB trio if we had him alongside Morrison and Howard. Groves is a very physical player. Nasty like Takeo Spikes and Karlos Dansby.
I also like Kelin Johnson of Georgia. I nice hitter who might could play SS in the nfl and be had in a later round.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
It would probably just complicate matters to the point where we're twice as bad against the run.
>>>>

We are already one of the worst in the NFL against the run for four fucking straight seasons... I, for one, am SICK OF IT. How much worse can it be? If we go from 30th to 32 next year, I don't think we are losing much.

SOMETHING has to change. How can anyone argue with this?

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
I also think that SOB will get a look for HC by the Dolphins and the 49ers in the off season.
>>>>


For gawd sake... if there is a god!


I agree here... we either have to throw everything we have at the 3-4 or get this moron off our staff.

Four years of sucking against the run is enough for my taste.

SOB's run defenses:


2004: 22nd

2005: 25th

2006: 25th

2007: 31st


We've had nearly an entire new defense since 2003 and the only constant is we still suck. Sorry, it's the coaching... not the players.

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider00,
I understand your frustration. But just because you feel we "should've" been preparing for a 3-4 doesn't mean we're in position to just shoot from the hip and decide we're going to make the change, and expect results. What I'm trying to do is look at our current situation and go from there.

And I think you may be onto something when you say "If we're sticking with the 4-3 then Ryan must go". That could very well be true. Maybe it's just not in the cards.

Gary,
We're all SICK OF IT. But adding complicated schemes to a group which is seemingly clueless half the time in a simple scheme may not be the most prudent thing in the world.

My first response sometimes is to 'blitz first and ask questions later' too, but that doesn't mean it will work in the NFL.

I still think we should blitz more in the 4-3, which is what we'd expect the 3-4 to give us. So given the personnel situation we should start from there, IMO. Oh, and tackle once in a while.

Psycho

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Psycho... I am reminded of the general in the movie "War Games"... "I'd spit on a spark plug right now if I thought it would work".

All I know is something is completely broke that needs to be fixed before ANYTHING is accomplished. Whether its a 3-4 or a new DC, I really don't care. Just please don't give me the same ol' shit next year. It's not just the players fault because they have all changed and it's still the same... no actually... ITS GETTING WORSE!!!!!

8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary,
Relax guy, Kiffin will fix it. And I guarantee you it won't involve a complete rehaul of the front 7. New Coordinator? Maybe. This time last year that was the last thing on my mind but ya' never know with these things.

We've got some puzzle pieces, and we've figured some things out. Losses teach you a lot more than wins, afterall.

Psycho

9:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A few questions that I would love to ask SOB ...

Hey SOB, why don't you blitz Thomas Howard from the edge once or twice a game? Is he not the fastest LB in the NFL? Wouldn't the opponent's QB shit in his pants seeing Howard's 4.3 speed blazing right at him? Wouldn't this (a) cause a sack (b) a hurried throw (c) an interception (d) shock and suprise the hell out of the opponent? Just wondering ... sincerely, Calico Jack

9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soooooo......How 'bout those Texans, huh?

Psycho

9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second that, Calico. -Psycho

9:08 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Calico,

great questions, but i doubt rob ryan would have any answers for ya.
the man doesn't have a clue.

Gary,

thanks for listing those stats of our fearless run defense.
wow, horrible against the run every year with Sob.

the man sucks, let's move on.

has anybody seen Charlie Sumner ?

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raider00,

See what I mean by shooting from the hip? In the coarse of a few hours you went from:
a) Running a 3-4 because Ryan knew it best, affecting our organization for years to come in our commitment to Ryan. To...
b) "The man sucks"

We would've lost Sapp, Burgess, maybe Morrison, Richardson, who knows....To satisfy the preference of an average (unless you count run D) coordinator.

Like Al says, it's all about the players. The players we currently have are tuned to the 4-3, so IMO we run it, one way or another.

Psycho

9:34 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Psycho,


nice try, but you should read my blogs again. there is no inconsistency in what i said.

yes, we should have run the 3-4 because that is what ryan is best at. but we didn't.

and yes, ryan does suck at running the 4-3. as evidence i will offer up about 12 games so far this season.

if you need further proof, check out the stats GARY posted showing our terrible run defense every year that ryan has coached the D.

i do agree with you that players are very important. but before you draft/sign players, it would help a lot if you know what scheme you are going to employ.
it would also be smart if you know the scheme before you hire a DC.
this way you do not end up with a 3-4 coordinator, coaching a 4-3 scheme.
i don't think anyone in their right minds would sit down and plan things out this way.
at least, it doesn't make any sense to me.

so if we have to wait for howie long, mike haynes, and ted hendricks to walk through that door,(this is my rick pitino impression), well, they are not walking through that door.

hell, i'd settle for BUDDY ryan to walk through that door and kick his adobted son in the ass !!!

10:35 PM  
Anonymous H said...

The bottom line on our run defense may, I repeat may, lie in the interior line. Since Warren was injured, our DT's have really stunk. I include Sapp, but especially Sands. A guy 6' 7" with a 17 million dollar contract shouldn't be single blocked. Not with any success anyway.

When Albert Haynesworth of Tennessee went down, so did the teams sack average and they started giving up 25 to 30 yards more per game on the ground.

We all thought Sands would become that type of player. We were wrong.

That, in my humble opinion is the biggest hole on defense to fill. Way bigger than safety or defensive end.

H

5:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The last 4 year's run D stats do not tell the whole picture.

Remember, we've had no offense to press teams into high-scoring affairs. Last year, teams literally ran regardless of their success because they knew we couldn't score.

This year is another story... of pure collapse. SOB plays a read and react D which is killing us. I've said before, pressure is better than coverage. SOB obviously prefers coverage.

Blitzing Howard makes incredible sense. But let's not limit it to Howard. A good D will always keep the O off guard by bringing different players to the line, and not revealing their intention (pressure or coverage) until the snap. Conversely, our base D alignment is the same on every play. Where's the mystery?

When was the last time we witnessed a safety blitz, or even a corner blitz?

Yeah, but we have seen our entire D line drop back into coverage. Yikes!

5:46 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

what is funny is that in light of the "rumors" of kiffin throwing a chair and temper tantrum when petrino was named head coach, jerry mac of inside bay area sports, wrote on his blog last night:
"Kiffin threw a chair through his office window and challenged Al Davis to fight when he found out Norm Chow was interviewing for the UCLA job, according to a non-industry source who made up the story."
freaking hilarious j!
hey blanda and raider00. i'm the one who originally posted that rob ryan has had problems with the 4-3 scheme on the last blog post or so. he is a 3-4 guy, which is why he tried to use it in his first year under turner. we are not far removed from having the tools of a 3-4 defense (or even a 4-4- defense). we have the corners to run it. we also have speedy linebackers in morrison, howard, and thomas. ricky brown could fit this mold if he gets more time to play. we need one or two more decent linebackers, and a big defensive tackle to make it happen. this is a big reason why i thought we would have kept donovin darius, but we may need a safety since schweig is not working out. either that or do what was suggested, move huff to ss, and eugene to fs. either way, we not far removed from having key players set to run a 3-4 scheme.
our first pick of the draft may be chris long, who won the ted hendricks award. he is a defensive end though, a position we don't really need unless burgess flies the coup. i think some people want him though, because of who is dad is, and not his talent; the "reviving the old raiders" mentality. i just want someone who will be physical.
we need a defensive tackle and a left tackle more than anything, which is why i think our pick could also be jake long (michigan).
just my two cents.

6:14 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

oh yeah, schefter is reporting that kiffin is talking to ucla.

6:23 AM  
Anonymous H said...

This just in:

Lane Kiffing is considering a run for the Presidency and will be entering the South Carolin Primary.

According to sources there is a connection as Kiffin stated, "I have fond memories of flying over the great sate of South Carolin on a trip to visit my family in Tampa."

However, Kiffin was informed late on Thursday it was to late to file papers with the State Elections Committee. Upon hearing this it was reported by a league source Kiffin threw Al Davis' walker through a window then slammed his thumb in his desk drawer while cussing.

The news was especially troubling to defensive coordinator Rob Ryan who was expected to be the nominee for Secretary of Defense in a Kiffin cabinet.

Persons close to the situation speaking on the condition of anonymity said Ryan immediately dunked safety Stuart Schweigert in the whirlpool and held his head under water until he hollered "Uncle."

Story developing - Film at 11:00.

H

7:20 AM  
Anonymous raiderdecoachella said...

Why is www.nfl.com showing in their first page Kiffin and head coaching jobs at UCLA and more college programs!

h!

your last post! HILARIOUS MAN!!!!

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

because Shefter is a tool...

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

because Shefter is a tool...

11:34 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Raidercoachella,

Thanks, gotta keep your sense of humor.

As for Adam Schefter,

Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the man:

"He is noted for his on-screen professionalism as well as his ability to get accurate inside information, and was the one who reported on NFL Total Access that the Raiders were to fire then Head Coach Art Shell. As no one could have possibly predicted this firing, colleagues of Schefter's were most impressed with his hard work."

His claim to fame is predicting the firing of Art Shell. I must be pretty good, I predicted that myself. Hell, 3/4 of us probably did that.

Adam Schefter is a Mule sycophant who covered the Mules for the Denver Post and probably has an agenda against the Raiders.

I nor anyone here can say with 100% certainty Kiffin will be here next season. But, Kiffin has stated he is not looking and doesn't know where these rumors are coming from. Thus far he has been fairly open and honest.

Until he shows me different, I believe him. I hope and believe he has more committment to this team than Petrino did to his.

H

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Schefter don't reference any actual proof, or even convincing evidence that Kiffin would even consider a move. It's pure speculation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d8050d192&template=with-video&confirm=true

Two or three days ago I had more respect for the guy than I do today. I thought he had good sources out there but on this issue he seems to just be another blind sheep following the heard of ignorance. Over the past few days he's been blabbing on about it all over NFL Total Access & other NFL Network shows at every opportunity. It's all speculation there, too.

He seems to be trying to force the issue. You know, if you say something enough times maybe even Kiffin himself will start to believe it and it will become reality.

Psycho

12:33 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

There is no question in my mind that Schefter is getting this crap from Lombardi. Schefter says his sources are inside the Raider organization.

PFT gets crap directly from Schefter at times. So follow...

PFT reports it first.

Schefter reports it later that same day.

Schefter has long time ties to the donkeys.

Lombardi works for the donkeys, and now hates the Raiders who he worked for up until last year.

Lombardi was accused of being a mole last year, and Schefter was the one saying that he had confirmation from inside the organization that Shell was going to be fired.

Does this only strike me as very convenient?

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Holy Roller said...

The reason they're so desperate to push this story is because they know that Kiffin is turning the Raiders around. The Raiders will soon be force to be delt with, AGAIN. No one, other that us, wants that to happen.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
When was the last time we witnessed a safety blitz, or even a corner blitz?
>>>>


Well.. one thing is for sure. If SOB was coaching during the tuck game, there would have been no controversy.

Woodson came in on a corner blitz.

I can't think of the last time I have seen that. Prolly under Breshnahan?

As someone said earlier this year... we are giving away for free what NE was trying to steal... the defensive signals. We have the same play 95% of the time.

We have the fastest defense in the NFL and all we use them for is back-peddling. Simply amazing.

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
we need a defensive tackle and a left tackle more than anything, which is why i think our pick could also be jake long (michigan).
just my two cents.
>>>>

I'm guessing Al would rather have a root-canal than take another tackle that high again after Gallery's struggles (although he looks very good at guard now).

I'm thinking SOH, if he's still there, or a D-tackle. Al usually attacks our biggest problem... and run defense is it this year.

2:09 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Even the Indy media has our number on Run D.

"Running behind a banged-up line, Addai hasn't had a 100-yard game in six weeks. Over the past five he has averaged 54.2 yards a game and 3.1 a carry."

That should change this week. Sorry, go ahead and read on...

"Addai should find more room against a defense that ranks 31st against the rush at 131.2 yards a game. Nine backs have run for more than 100 yards against the Raiders. San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson managed 198, and the list includes three backups: Houston's Ron Dayne (21-122), Kansas City's Kolby Smith (31-150) and Minnesota's Chester Taylor (22-164). Tackling has been a problem."

That's an understatement.

3:51 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

There is much collective wisdom in these parts, so I want to ask all of you for some theoretical answers to the following question: After seeing more bad angles followed by feeble arm tackles displaying an utter lack of fundamentals, week after week, what is the subsequent conversation between coordinator and players?

Are these fundamentals just too hard to grasp? Is there some reason why they aren't observed? Are the players just incapable of performing them? What gives?

Think of your own job, and your own boss. Surely you have something in your job that compares to tackling fundamentals for a professional football player. For mailman, that would be putting the right mail in the right box. For a welder, that would mean finishing the weld properly so that the bridge doesn't collapse. You know, basic job fundamentals, stuff that sort of comes with the job. And what would your boss say if you simply couldn't grasp or execute these fundamentals?

Sometimes I just have to wonder, what is the conversation? Am I missing something, is it much more mysterious and complex than I could have ever imagined, and if not, what gives?

4:29 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Kiff hung this quote by Winston Churchill in every players' locker today...

"A competitor will find a way to win. Competitors take bad breaks and drive themselves just that much harder. Quitters take bad breaks and use them as excuses to give up. It’s all a matter of pride."

Jerry Mac has 12 for the over/under on how many players know who Winston Churchill was.

H, wasn't he our RG in 1969? ;-)


RT, you have me stumped. How many time have we hear, as each new coach comes in, that he's putting the team through tackling drills, and stressing fundamentals in practice. Then, when all is said and done, we get more of the same.

The core of these Raiders seem to have more quit in them than any team I've witnessed, and I haven't a clue as to how you get rid of it other than just pick 'n' pull, and weed - a process that takes a good deal of time.

It is possible that in the present case, the "we don't rebuild, we reload" philosophy has painted us into a corner. Teams that aren't afraid to rebuild, and rebuild quickly, are not afraid to replace more than half the team in a single season and suffer the consequences for a season or two until they get back on track.

4:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Added...

RT, what truly perplexes me is that these guys, to a man, know how to tackle. They even do it from time to time - as a team!

After such games, we here sit around talking about how we've finally turned the corner, only to watch them stop tackling the following week.

Both Shell (last year) and Kiffin (this year) seem to be of the belief that the problem is attitude. Both coaches use diametrically opposed systems to try and turn that attitude around. While the players this year are far more "in," the tackling is just as bad. So maybe it's not attitude.

5:00 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! I know! It's not Kiffin who is the alien. It's the players!

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PatriotsDynasty


Go Raiders! Beat the Colts this weekend! A Colts loss assures that my Patriots will have home field advantage throughout the playoffs, so lets go Silver and Black. I hope JaMarcus gets in there and puts 300 yards and 3 TD's on the board!! Lets Go Raiders!!!!! Lets Go Raiders!!!!!

7:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NY Raider: The excerpt you quoted was very generous to the Raiders poor run D.

"Addai should find more room against a defense that ranks 31st against the rush at 131.2 yards a game. Tackling has been a problem."

We actually give up 150.4 yards a game vice 131.2. Here are our season Rush D #s:

Games: 13
Att: 405
Avg. Carries: 31.2
Total Yards: 1995
YPC: 4.8
Avg: 150.4
First Downs: 101
TDs: 21
20+ yard carries: 16

The number of 20+ yard gains of 16 is staggering in comparison to the league average which is close to 7.

In answer to your question RT, I think the poor rush D is an overall lack of physicality. The physicality should stem from an aggressive attitude yet fundamentally sound principles.

Some of the problems that I see:
1. Raider defenders seem to absorb blows instead of exploding into the ball carrier.
2. Raider defenders don't seem to square up and meet the ball carrier head on.
3. Raider defenders rarely penetrate the interior line and get into the backfield
4. Our SS & MLB have a difficult time shedding blockers.
5. Too many defenders tackle too high
6. Lack of gap control and assignment discipline
7. Our LBs play too far off the LOS

Churchill himself probably has a better answer:

"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half."
Sir Winston Churchill

7:37 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

i do not beleive kiffin is going anywhere, anytime soon.

let's face it, all coaches have a bit of opportunist in them, and i'm sure kiffin is no different.

but the raiders have an ace in the hole here, and that is jamarcus russell.
we have barely scratched the surface of this mans abilities and, who knows, we could be sitting on an all time great one with russell.

no head coach with any brains is going to walk away from that.
kiffin is smart enough to let the russell situation play itself out.
is russell is a star, kiffin turns the raiders around and is a big time hero.
if russell flops, well, then maybe kiffin starts looking for unlocked doors.

any coach would know that there's no replacement for winning.
look at bill cower. the man is sitting pretty, like a king on a throne, waiting for the world to be offered to him.
he didn't get there by leaving the steelers after one season to grab some faceless college job.
he got there by sticking to it through the tough times, turning things around, and becoming a champion.

if kiffin is smart, i believe he is, this is the raod he will take.

to grab a college job, and become just another face in the crowd, and to leave the talented Jruss to another coach. that would be down right stupid in my book.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous raiderhip said...

also raider00,
just look at the way Kiffin has handled Russell.....right? he's not taking any chances of J-Russ being mishandled. If he wasn't dedicated to this team, and trying to build it's future, he most certainly would be gambling with our future and pushing J-Russ into more playing time and starting.
not that we really need to prove to anyone that Kiff's our man........but you know...another way to look at it

9:14 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Blandarocked,

Close, Winston Churchill was drafted as a tightend in '68 and converted to RG in '69.

On Jerry Mac's over under. There was a survey done in Britain and almost 50% of people under age 25 didn't know who Winston Churchill was.

If Kiffin is quoting Churchill he's not only trying to motivate he's checking the intelligence level of the team.

If he wants historical warriors, Patton would be a good one too. But, it wouldn't be very politically correct.

Further, in my humble opinion, if he's going that far, he's also trying to find out just who want's to stay around.

H

6:02 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Calico- that’s funny. They did short our run D about 20 ypg. Maybe they were just subtracting one (per game) of the staggering 20+ yard run gains... because no team should have 16.

RT- as far as our D, are you sure it’s the players who have lost sight of fundamentals?

They are being told to play read and react D, which I attribute to failure nos. 1, 3, 6 and 7 of Calico’s 7:37pm post:

1. Raider defenders seem to absorb blows instead of exploding into the ball carrier.

This has got to be a trademark of a read and react D.

3. Raider defenders rarely penetrate the interior line and get into the backfield

This comes from relying 99% of the time on our base 4 DL to control the line without help from LB (see #7) or blitz packages. Worse yet, occasionally sending DL into coverage.

One of my biggest complaints is that we never disguise our D alignments. We simply allow opposing teams to identify their assignments before each play, and we never move players around unless the other team does (read and react).

6. Lack of gap control and assignment discipline

I believe the players would like to be more aggressive, and that’s partly why they over-pursue and leave their gaps (aside from discipline issues).

7. Our LBs play too far off the LOS

The SOB philosophy is “coverage is better than pressure.” That’s why we see Warren Sapp twenty yards off the line covering a RB, or our entire line back in coverage on a critical game-determining 4th down.

Also notable: The Huff experiment should end. He’s not a SS. Play him at corner or FS, and place either Routt or Washington at the other.

What we have here (with coaching and management), is a failure to communicate.

6:37 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I understand the problems. I'm wondering about the conversations, like the kind of conversation a postmaster might have with a mailman who can't put mail into the right box. I shall demonstrate, using examples from Calico and NY Raider:

Caveman says: Stu, how many times have we talked about squaring up and meeting the ball carrier head on? Now look at this clip from Sunday's game. You had him, but then you didn't square up and tried to arm tackle. I can't tell you how sick I am of seeing you do this? What gives? This is basic stuff. What's your problem?

Stu says: (fill in the blank)

OR

Stu says: Caveman, this read and react defense is killing us. We're absorbing blows, not giving blows. The proof is in the rushing stats and yards after catch. Week after week. We're hamstrung by your approach. What gives?

Caveman says: (fill in the blank)

I'm just curious about these things, because as fans, we watch this stuff week after week, and we have to wonder how it's discussed among the perpetrators themselves when they watch the same film week after week. Remember, I'm not talking about some random missed assignment, but pure, simple fundamentals that are essential to the job description.

8:23 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

i think the coaching should be up in their faces for the crappy arm tackling. put a body on the guys.
you know willie brown isn't teaching that. someone said, and i agree with it, that they are bracing for impact, and not swarming to the ball. the exception to that is morrison and howard. stu is always near the play, but he usually has his hands in his pockets, watching the others tackle.
i think the problem is we have talented players, but they're soft. they seem to be focused more on the fundamentals, and are overthinking things when they have to make a play; instead of being aggressive on the play.
i think our coaches are teaching, and hammering away on "fundamentals," getting the right angles, putting yourself in position to make plays, etc. our guys are overthinking these things. i agree that fundamentals are important, but they seem to be forgetting that being aggressive to the ball, and making tackles are more important to these fundamentals. i agree rt, what do you say as a coach there? it's like they are almost "over-teaching" these things.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

This is going to be a, well, uhh interesting game... I wonder if Manning will even do his no-huddle calling of the play (based on the defense)... why would he bother? It's the same look every play. And will SOB even TRY to play a chess match with him, or just do the same ol some ol all game while they march up and down the field?

If GB can stick 38 on us with one of the worst running games in the league... what will Indy's number twelve do to us, especially with Manning having "5 apple, 6 apple" to pick us apart?

This could get ugly early... kinda looking forward to seeing Russell again, and thats about it. Maybe he will get to play the entire second half if we are down by 30 at half?

1:29 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

RT- When it comes to simple things, like mail delivery, I'm at a loss. If the players are not putting the mail in the right mail slot, game after game, they should be fired. Unfortunately, supply and demand forces have given their incompetent asses job security.

I agree with Nate, the coaches should be in their faces about simple fundamentals.

If Stu is the lone example, however, that should be an easy fix. In the words of The Donald, you're fired. And no more blogging with Stu either. Shut this guy down completely until he learns to tackle.

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>>
nyraider said...

RT- When it comes to simple things, like mail delivery, I'm at a loss. If the players are not putting the mail in the right mail slot, game after game, they should be fired.
>>>>

I'd like to see if the boss (SOB) is even teaching them where the right slot is, before anyone gets fired.

I'd cut SOB first, and then see what we have after next season with a new DC. The o-line looked like a complete cluster-fuck last season but doesn't look half bad with a new coach this year... Same players.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I told yall he was a freakin' alien!!!

You guys obviously have all the answers, so why aren't you working in the NFL somewhere?

I was looking back at the scores this season, and you know, there was only one game we weren't in (GB). Of all the other losses, those by two scores (14 was the most, happened a few times), we were in it, but mistakes late killed any oportunity.

Reminds me very much of the crappy SanDiego and Colts teams the year before they busted out.

And I never came away from a game thinking we couldn't have won it.

AND of the O doesn't screw up so much, the D's not on the field as much, and our SOB is a hero (and we're in the lead in the division).

The biggest thing I'm worring about is how we are going to pay another top 5 pick! I'm getting sick of paying so much attention to all the draft related stuff.

And if NE goes undefeated, it's only because they didn't have to go through Oakland!
:-)

6:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

What defines this season are the two, back-to-back wins in our division. Something we have been unable to do for years, and probably the best sign that we're ready to turn the corner.

Regardless of what we do against the Colts and Jags, if we beat the Chargers, I'll say this season was a success, i.e., 5-11 with 3 division wins. Still lots to do, though. Like find a new DC.

5:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
I hope JRuss plays at least a half. It's time to find out if we have any WR's worth keeping next year and McCown obviously can't get anyone the ball more than 10 yards downfield. We have to know if Curry and Porter are part of our future. I know, I know, some of you think Porter's had some good games lately. But how about having a 7 or 8 catch game Jerry? that's what th leites do. Same for you Porter. Let's eliminate the QB excuse. Roll JRuss out, give him so quick reads and some good play action.... and let' see him chunk the ball around.
We're not going to know sh*& about Kiffen's offense or the WR's if McCown, Walter or Pep are playing QB. That's pretty obvious at this point.
And let's hope Kiffen is allowed to name his own DC next year. You can't be as sorry as we are against the run during the SOB tenure and give SOB anything BUT a failing grade as DC. Time for SOB to go.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>>
AND of the O doesn't screw up so much, the D's not on the field as much, and our SOB is a hero (and we're in the lead in the division).
>>>>>


The problem with SOB is that he is the only coach I have seen in 40 years that calls the exact same defense 95% of the game, plus the defense has shown digression, not improvement. Most of the players we were hoping to be pro-bowlers have only shown momentary glimpses of greatness. It's not acceptable to me, I can't believe it can be with Kiffin. I agree... let him PULEASE pick his own DC like he did with the rest of the staff. I like all the other coaches he has brought in... this might be his best trait!

Billicheat didn't get great by himself... he did it with great assistants.

9:29 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Dance, little monkey, dance!

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PatriotsDynasty

Congrats to the Raiders, I honestly thought that Indy was going to blow you out just like Green Bay did, but the Raiders played them tough the entire game. I only caught the 2nd half since I just got home from the Pats/Jets game, but from what I saw you guys were playing hard and with a purpose and your team was not rolling over and playing dead out there. I give credit where credit is due, and I give the Raiders credit today for not rolling over and letting Indy come in to their house and do whatever they want.

With that being said, boy are we going to kill Indy if they have to come in to the razor for the playoffs. We are gonna fry em!

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nobody gives a damn because this isn't a pats forum, get out.

4:57 PM  
Anonymous raiderdecoachella said...

What a celebration Patsy droid!

You have to come to a Raider site to celebrate!

Don't you droids have any type of sites! Also are your games and life so lame that you have to go home right after the game, we at Oaktown have a thing called after game tailgating!

I am sorry I forgot you guys live in the area where fun is posting in Raider's sites1

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

i revert back to my bitter self, if you're not a raiders fan, get out. i don't care about your team, they still suck donkey in my eyes.
speaking of refs, where was the pi on the last pass to porter? we can't find one when we need it, but they sure can go against our way. bogus.
nyraider, i think you took my last comment wrong. i was trying to state that because the coaches were over-preaching fundamentals, our defense is over-thinking fundamentals and not playing aggressive. that is where we are getting hurt.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaMarcus Russell does a nice job of spreading the ball around. Here is a list of people to catch his first 6 balls completed:

1) Jerry Porter
2) Justin Fargas
3) Ronald Curry
4) Ronald Curry
5) Justin Griffith

And the 6th person to catch a JaMarcus Russell pass; drum roll..........Tony Dungy!!!

He looks pretty sharp though, even if they weren't in sync today with him in there. He looks very cool & calm in the pocket, no real bad decisions to speak of, and the ball usually goes where he wants it to....fast. I could be a lot worse, and usually is for a rookie. Nice game #2.

And congratulations Dungy on a great catch made by a great coach.

Psycho

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PatriotsDynasty


I stop by here to congratulate you guys for fighting the Colts tooth and nail, and that is the kind of response I get? Would you rather I hurl mindless insults like the Faida Boy guy, while reminding you incessantly to "defend the nation?" Geez, I guess five straight years of double digit losses has made you guys cranky!

6:37 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

"Would you rather I hurl mindless insults like the Faida Boy guy...

No I'd rather you go fuck yourself ass wipe. How's that for a mindless insult.
No regular poster on this board would ever go to a cheatriots site to post, EVER. WTF is wrong with you?

This new format allows you to
collapse posts at the nickname, which I will do, of those who have no business here.

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Raider fan that moved from Oakland to Cleveland 25 years ago. I am truly disappointed in our defense this year. Is it me or can any team come in here and move the ball? Whether it be pass....or run...its there choice. If they choose to run they run for 200 yards...If they choose to pass they pass for 200 yards+. So when they said Oakland had a good pass defense..which they never did, it only meant the teams ran the ball against us. It gave us false sense of security. The Raiders Defense Sucks...their Goaline defense looked good...thats it.

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 8:12,
Nine times out of ten I'd agree with you, but only regarding the run D.

We've just hung it there to the last minute with the SB champs and Peyton Manning. They intended to exploit our weak run D and didn't get anywhere all day. They passed effecively enough to outscore our below-average offense.....barely.

I don't put this particular loss on our D at all. We went down early on a ST play and couldn't recover in the end, as a team. Our D bailed us out (mainly T.Howard) a few times and gave us a chance to win it. Personally I'm pretty happy with holding Manning to only 14 points of offense. It probably just looked like they had a great day passing because we hardly ever give up passing yards like that average passing performance.

It was a good effort all around and they should all have something to be proud of.

Kiffin will get this thing figured out in his 1st real off-season. We have a good core of guys to build around and we should be pretty good real soon and everyone knows it. The media is already freaking out trying to get Kiffin out of Oakland. Well, I see he hasn't taken the Michigan job yet. Maybe next year, mediots.

Psycho

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kept pace with the super bowl champs.....Any IDIOT could se that the Colts were playing a practise game against a "team" that was pulling out all stops to try and impress anyone stupid enough to think that they had any talent at all.....You BUFFOONS are soooooooo gullible that you actually think that the faidas were competetive today. Quite the contrary, the Colts were half assed playing with 5 starters out and still yawned through this one never breakin a sweat. 89 big yards for your "great" rb (now injured and a free agent) who thinks he's a force to be will not deliver beyond his first and only 1000 yard season1 "huggyscrub" will probably play for one of your arch rivals to make money that the tight wad big al (MR.) davis won't anty up so maybe "huggy" will be running for the Bronco's or the Chiefs next year, you know that Norv won't need him in San Diego! Just another tough break for the faidas...."huggy" will never have another 1000 yard season any way. The Amazing Karnak has spoken. Just live with the mediocrity baby. Keep defunbking the "nation"....1-15 in reality.

11:45 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Just one thing.

Where was that defense the last 13 games? Three sacks on Manning (only 17 total going into the game). 56% passing, a total of 58 yards rushing.

I realize Indy has some injury problems, but backups have been putting up pro bowl numbers. Hell, Sage Rosenfels looked more like Manning than Manning did for three quarters.

And, (I know I said one thing, but hey, I lied), how about that Fargas. I guess he's officially removed from tha Al pick column.

The argument could be made that we could have won the game had McCowan stayed in for the entire game. But, I will take the lumps to get Russell his time.

Now, there is no guarantee we would have gotten into the end zone, but even Randy Cross formally of the Whinners said it was interference. The DB had Porder's right arm held back so he couldn't extend and make the catch.

I guess this is another one of those, "Well, the good teams tend to get the calls" exmlainations. You know, that could be one of the things that makes them good. Wake up NFL, peoples jobs are in the officials hands and if they publically complain you take more money from them.

During one of the early games one analyst actually talked about how different crews called one type of penalty more than others.

Well, it's either a penalty or it's not. A team shouldn't have to game plan against the opposing team AND the officiating crew.

H

6:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Human crash dummy, Justin Fargas 1,000 yards and counting. A+

I don't make a habit of complaining about the officiating, but there were two bad calls, either of which could have changed the outcome.

1). 3rd and long completion over Nnamdi (who was a warm blanket for any receiver he covered). I think it was Reggie Wayne who made what looked liked a circus catch. A red flag would have overturned the catch, which Wayne was juggling to the ground out of bounds. Credit Manning for quickly running the next play. Colts then scored to take the lead.

2). a non-call on Porter getting mugged near the Colts end zone at the end of the game... would have been 1st and goal.

Overall, I thought it was a good game. The D really showed up, except for a couple blown assignments on intermediate passes. We actually showed numerous looks along the line scrimmage, and even blitzed on occasion.

On my way to the bar (through a foot of snow to watch the game), I listened to Colts radio broadcast (on Sirius) and one of the announcers observed that Carr was 25 yards off the line of scrimmage. His comment was, "why is he even on the field?"

Sounds like a valid question.

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, if the self-proclaimed "Amazing" Karnak called me an idiot then I guess it must be true. I didn't realize the Colts were only going to use us as "practise", but now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense to overlook a hungry team trying to prove themselves worthy. It makes perfect sense to willingly get embarrased and risk blemishing your solid 11-2 record against a team nobody is supposed to lose to. That Manning, always taking games off, I tell ya'.

I'll bet if I were to meet you Mr. Karnak, the only thing that could possibly amaze me would be if you had a single friend in the world whom which you had actual physical contact with. You know, that thing where you talk to people without a keyboard? Look out the window. There is a very large world to explore. Oh, I forgot, there is probably like 7 feet of snow blocking the door. I guess I wouldn't leave mom's basement either.

Psycho

6:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
H- Fargas is an Al pick. I keep my stuff obejective. It's you Al lovers that won't admit anything BAD that AL has done. Fargas is also a product of a cut back run scheme that has made people like Mike Anderson & Reuben Droughans big names (while their in that system only). We should ABSOLUTELY NOT pay big money for Fargas. Note, H, that Rhodes averaged about 6 yards per carry with his limited role. If we had an elite back, in this system, he'd be vying for NFL MVP.

Here, once again, is our biggest problem, the thing I scream the most about... track guys vs. football players... this time mentioned by Jerry Mac's column, talking about an AL PICK, Stanford Routt:

"What's the difference between a football player and a cornerback who runs fast? On the last play of the first quarter, Manning, who is not a strong runner, got outside to the right and cut up toward the end zone. Stanford Routt had a clear shot at Manning, hit him wtih an arm tackle and Manning got past it, eventually landing in the end zone. A replay challenge put Manning at the 1, and the Raiders forced on incompletion to Ben Utecht which preceeded their 95-yard drive. During that Raiders' 99-yard drive, McCown, who is a good runner, got loose on a 10-yard scramble, where he was crushed with a head-on shot by Kelvin Hayden. McCown got back up and the Raiders finished off the touchdown drive, but Hayden properly displayed how a quarterback who gets out of the pocket should be treated."
Since we all know Routt is clearly an Al pick, I suppose we have to add Jerry Mac to the list of hating, crappy mediots now, huh Blanda? H? Or maybe this is where Blanda tells us that Routt was actually Norv's pick.

7:08 AM  
Anonymous raiderdecoachella said...

Bama!

You are probably right about Routt but I guess that you are going to say that Namdi was Dungi's or Shotty's pick right!?

Also the last drive Mr. Davis told the defender from the oposite team to interfere and he also told the stupibras not to call the penalty right!?

I had said in a previous take that this game was going to tell us a lot about the future of this team and I think it has, Calico is probably not going to agree with me about this but this game was lost by poor coaching at the end of the game and of course the "nowhere to be found" pass interference no call.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

I walked away from this game pissed that once again our defense allowed another team to march dutifully down the field after our team took a lead in the fourth quarter. How many times has this happened now? Six?

How many blitzes were there on all of these game winning drives? Any?

SOB plays "not to lose." Losers play not to lose.

The defense played great all game and then gave up the game again at the end... kinda disheartening.

Oh well... I thought this was going to be a blowout. Lotsa stuff to build on!

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

If Asumugwha was a bust the Al-haters would be so frigging red-faced, their heads would explode! He was a reach from hell... practically not even on anyones list at CB when he was drafted. That was vintage Al at his best!

A "track guy" lol!!!

Well, at least they can't blame this one on Jani!!!

8:22 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Haven't read through the board, or any of the press articles since the game, but I'll tell you my impression.

I repeat what I said last week. SOB's defensive system is fine if people "play their gaps and do their damn jobs."

We lost (on the scoreboard, which supposedly is the only place that counts). What we did do is play the defending Super Bowl champions, a team better than they were last year when they were the Super Bowl champions, to a ridiculous game-ending non-call by the officials at the tail end of the fourth quarter.

This is one of those non-calls where the official was thinking, "well, if they had eight more wins this year I'd give it to them." Either that or "Wow! A hundred grand just to insure a 7 point spread!" The reality is the Jerry Porter's right arm was wrapped up like a Christmas present on a play where he absolutely would have made the catch, giving the Raiders a 1st and goal.

8:35 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7, you don't have a frigging clue who's pick was who's.

8:39 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Gary, Nhamdi was Al's pick on the one play where he got beat. On all other occasions he was Gruden's pick. When are you going to take the blinders off of your eyes and see the truth?!

8:47 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>>
BlandaRocked said...

Gary, Nhamdi was Al's pick on the one play where he got beat. On all other occasions he was Gruden's pick. When are you going to take the blinders off of your eyes and see the truth?!
>>>>>>


Pffffffttttt!!!!

I keep forgetting how this works.

BTW, I am sure there's a pro-bowler that was picked after Asum. somewhere in that draft... I think we have to say what an idiot Al was for not picking THAT GUY, regardless of how spectacular Asum is playing. Would that let me off the hook?

8:55 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

All you have to do to see the progress of this team is open your eyes. SOB's defense held one of the most prolific offenses in the league to 13 points. The Raiders engineered two time consuming drives of over 13 plays covering the complete length of the field - one of them a 99.5 yard, 20 play drive ending in a TD, and consuming almost the entire 2nd quarter (over 11 minutes).

If the Raiders can do the latter with any kind of regularity, they can have quick strikes whenever they want them.

The Raiders smothered the Colts' running game, and they made Manning (the best QB in the game, bar none) use all of his tricks.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
For the record I think Namdi is an Al pick. And I also don't think he's as good as others think. I think the Pats and many other good teams have proven that it is the front 7 on D that is important, not the cornerbacks. Gone are the days of the Hayes, Haynes, Brown shut down corners. Al just can't quite 'get' that concept. He tries to recreate those old Raider CB's every year. Just like he tries to re-create Cliff Branch every year (This year's version was Higgens... before that, Whitted... before that, Jett... before that Ishamel & Howard... before that Gault... Hester etc etc)
Good offenses are too sophisticated for ANY CB to run for any length of time with an NFL WR. Namdi got better when Morrison and Howard came on the scene. Coincendence? He'd probably be even better if we added a few real DE's on the team too. But don't pay him a lot, cuz with a good front 7 even an average CB can play good ball. And how much did Warren play yesterday? We're a much better D with him in there.
I'll crown Namdi, and others on our D, good when (as Gary accurately pointed out) we FOR ONCE stop ONE TEAM from marching down the field and scoring right after we take a lead. ONE FREAKIN TIME.
And Blanda, I have said many times that I think Al makes every pick or at least has to agree on every pick. And it's not like I think he can't pick a good one here and there. I just think he has done a very poor job of selecting talent in the last twenty-five years. It's pretty hard to argue against that.
I also think Kiffen will demand his own DC in the offseason. Let's see what happens there. I don't see how Kiffen or Kiff's dad could be coming to any other conclusion about our D. Someone has to get Coach Davis off that side of the ball. And SOB obviously won't/can't do it.

8:58 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

So there you go - according to Porter:

``Coach said I'm not supposed to talk about it so I'll tell you what (the official) said,'' Porter said. ``He said he grabbed me but didn't turn me around. That was his explanation.''

According to the official, you can wrap up somebody in a bear hug as long as you don't turn him around! I think our guys might play much better if they learned this rule.

9:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

It's kind of funny, Bama7. Madden and Flores both seem to be of the impression that they had quite a bit of say about the picks when they were HC. You ought to write them a letter and tell them how deluded they are.

I will agree on one thing. Al has the absolute final say on every pick. It kind of comes with the territory of being the guy to sign his name on the contract. So, I guess every owner in the NFL has the final say on their draft picks too.

9:08 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here's a question for you, Bama7. Who wanted to sign Jordan?

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can you be a true Raider fan and hate Al? I disagree without alot of stuff that goes on but to me he's still the man.


RaiderMike

9:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Blanda: Jordan... I suppose the only thing that matters (and we agree on) is that Al wanted and/or approved of it.
RaiderMike: I used to like Al. I can be a Raider fan and dislike Al's decisions. I don't see what the big deal is about it. You don't blidly follow an NFL GM that has done a pitiful job for so long just becuase he USED to be great. I hate for us to lose, and I get nothing out of playing the Colts close at home. Nothing. Is that what the S&B has become? We play a good team at home and lose and come away feeling proud? The Art Shell/Walsh fiasco alone should get any GM fired. I don't think anyone on this board was happy with that Shell II hiring. I don't think anyone on this board was happy with the Washington/Routt draft a few years ago. So, eventually you look at things and say, this sux. change it. But we can't because of the old legend sitting behind Otto at the games (tell me that's not contrived to exemplify Otto as a center, hiking to the REAL leader/QB of the S&B)
I do, however, think Al's hand has been forced. I think Kiffen will do what has needed to be done for about twenty-five years an that is force the old man further and further away from the decisions. Either that will happen of Kiff will be gone... either quitting out of frustration or being fired for losing with Al's players & old schemes.
The first test will be the DC decision. It has to be done (get someone new with a good, agressive plan that will ignore Coach Davis). You just know Monte Kiffen is telling his son what needs to be done there: change.

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Uhhh Bama... if you are going to point to Asum's breakout with Morrison and Howard, who brought those two on board? If you really are this desperate to paint Al in a bad light, I wouldn't go after his mistakes in the draft... almost all owners are imperfect, and in fact, as far as starters go... he's prolly got more drafted starters than most teams. His FA signings have been pretty piss poor lately... ending with the great Moss flop.

That and his getting away from hiring young coaches (mostly due to his impatience in thinking EVERY team is close to winning a ring.)

The cherry picking finger-pointing of draft picks makes one sound like a knee-jerk, cry-baby, moronic sports fan... basically the stereotypical Raider fan.

I HATE it. I HATE when Raider fans make the stereotypes true.

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Gary, I said Al has made some good picks. I said he once was great. I've tried to look at it objectively.
Problem is, many of you would rather lose WITH Al than win without him. Think about that.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
Bama7
Problem is, many of you would rather lose WITH Al than win without him. Think about that.
>>>>


What are we supposed to do? Demand that we fire the owner? You are being irrational. I hate irrational sports fans. Why?? Because there is NO irrationality unlike irrational sports fans.

Al is hitting his stride again and building a team the right way... no more quick fixes with last-chance QB's and coaches.

I think the reason most Al-haters hate Al so much is that they RESEMBLE Al so much. Knee-jerkers with no patience.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Quote from Kiffin:

``I'm never one to complain about the calls or make excuses,'' Kiffin said. ``It's just unfortunate that the game comes down to one play and you don't have a chance to make a play on it.''

It's a subtle way of saying he thought the zebras screwed us.

It might not be his personality, but it would be nice to see him working the officials a bit more during the game. Kind of like Parcells or even Madden did.

Bama,

The difference is I don't blame everything on Al. Main reason is, I'm not in the "WAR ROOM" as they put it during the drafts. So, I don't know who is recommending whom and with what criteria.

I had a a man I admire a great deal tell me once, "Don't be afraid to screw up. If you don't screw up once in a while, you're not doing your job."

I'm more interested in what is being done to correct the situation. Not what happened five or six years ago.

And, so what if Fargas is now suddenly good within the system. If it's just the system, how come when Jordan came back from the injury he couldn't do squat.

Fargas has thrown himself into the line with a team frist mentality that has been missing from this team. When the line gives him a lane to run in he doesn't care how big it is, he is going to hit it and refuse to go down. That spin move he made on the last touchdown drive was a thing of beauty. It got a first down and kept the drive going.

Further, if he runs well in the "system", so much more the reason to keep him. I don't think he'll break the bank considering we have Bush under contract and Jordan wants out.

I hope the injury isn't serious and he can continue to play this year.

H

10:38 AM  
Anonymous LK said...

Blanda:
I don't think your statement "Wow! A hundred grand just to insure a 7 point spread!" makes sense...the line was Colts -10 so ensuring a 7 point spread is ensuring the Raiders cover. If he calls the PI, the Raiders score and still cover...am I missing something?

10:54 AM  
Anonymous H said...

IK,

The only thing you might have missed in Blandarocked's statement was the dripping and oozing sarcasm. It's easier to spot when your age is advanced as his and mine.

One more thing on Fargas. He has absorbed a lot of slings and arrows from fans over the years. If it had been left to the fans during camp, he most likely would have been voted off the island.

This year he's earned a chance to be part of the turn around.

H

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama-
You know that team that went to the SB in 03 was as old as old can be. It was a win now team. I don't care what kind of genius you got running your organization but when you lose 80% of your starters over a 1-2 year period your in for a rough 4 or 5 years. Norv was a questionable hire but bottom line was we were still putting together personnel. Hiring Shell was a disaster (in hindsight) and Big Al will be the 1st to admit it now.
Hang in there baby. Good times are ahead for all.

RaiderMike

12:00 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Ted Kwalic made the same comparison to Fargas I did. He's very much like Paul Hofer was with the 9ers when they first began their rise. As far as I'm concerned, Fargas can stay here and inspire this team all he wants.

H points out that spin move. I'd add that I believe that's the play he sprained his knee on, but he stayed in until he had the TD.

Obviously Kiffin must have brought in Warren from the donkos. He's playing well, so that excludes Davis. But, holy crap, it seemed like he was surgically attached to Colt running backs. Every time a tackle was made at the line, it was Warren making it.

Something that should be pointed out. When Washington was flagged for the Personal Foul/Face Mask, early in the game - Washington briefly put his fingers on the receiver's face mask, causing the helmet to move just slightly before Washington let go. Washington didn't pull the receiver down by his face mask. Non-the-less, Washington got the big penalty. It was exactly the same official who said Porter wasn't interfered with because the defender didn't "turn [him] around."

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Blanda, what's Al's colon look like?

12:32 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Blandarocked,

I must review the video, however I thought that was Randy Cross who was commenting during the game on Paul Hofer.

I pointed out that he also thought Porter was interfered with.

In any event, I agree he is an inspiration to the rest of the team. Even if he isn't an elite back, he gets the most out of what he has. A lesson the rest of the team could use.

H

12:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, right you are. Randy Cross. I think I'm confusing it with a game that Kwalic worked over the weekend.

Bama7, it looks very healty. He'll likely be around and active for another 15 years!

12:49 PM  
Anonymous raiderdecoachella said...

Blanda:

You mean 2 more superbowls?!?...right!!!!

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bama7
No... 43 cornerbacks with 4.4 speed that have never hit anyone in their lives.

You guys no I'm just fu(*&^ with you, right? Good to see you got Al's back... and backside.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

bama - colon: that was funny!

coachella - we ain't winnin' 2 superbowls let alone 1 superbowl as long as the old geezer is around to screw things up.

soon as kiffin starts winning and becomes the face of the franchise, al's gonna get rid of him too (oh and his dad too if he comes over). you see, no one is bigger than the big cheese. if he starts to be he's gone.

speaking of cheese and al's colon.... what's that smell??????

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
soon as kiffin starts winning and becomes the face of the franchise, al's gonna get rid of him too (oh and his dad too if he comes over). you see, no one is bigger than the big cheese. if he starts to be he's gone.
>>>>


Ya know... I keep reading this from Al-haters, and I still don't get it.

The one constant that we know about Al is he doesn't care about anything but ONE THING... WINNING. Thats it, thats the list. I'm sure most of us have heard the saying "just win baby"?

Thats why Gruden didn't get the big paycheck and extension he wanted... he came up short. He didn't win a ring.

If Kiffin wins a ring in the next two years, I'm sure Al would have no problem giving him all the accolades, contract extensions, millions of dollars. If he doesn't, and particularly if he seems to be holding the team back (Gruden WAS too conservative) he will prolly be gone.

Like I said... he is JUST LIKE THE AL HATERS... win or get the fuck out of here. It's his WORST trait... and all the Al-haters too.

Isn't irony grand?

3:31 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Gary, you are on a roll today.

3:34 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

First the bad news...

According to JMac, Fargas is likely out for the rest of the season.

Now the good news...

According to JMac, Fargas is likely out for the rest of the season. A couple more 100 yard games would likely raise his re-signing price.

3:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

One of the things I learned last year is the Cooper is someone who will say what he thinks, good or bad. I got this from Jason Jones' blog:

"On the improvement under Kiffin and why the coaching staff shouldn’t’ be messed with: 'The games are lost by one or two plays now as opposed to last year when they were lost at the coin toss. So you’ve got to build off that and I don’t think you need to change anybody. If so then you’re just starting all over again. Then you’re looking for another rebuilding year. Well this was the rebuilding year, build off of that.'

"On the mood of the team this time a year ago: 'Everybody was gone. Everybody had their plane tickets already. At least here, guys are still talking about the next opponent, talking about Jacksonville, opposed to going to Miami for a vacation. There's a team in here. Everyone's still in each others' back pocket until the last second ticks off on the clock, which is nice.'"

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's some pretty good "bad" news there, blanda. Sucks for Fargas, he deserves to play & get paid. But yeah I guess there is a silver lining somewhere, for someone.

As far as all this talk about Kiffin being gone if he becomes bigger than the big cheese. Wasn't Madden larger than life? Didn't the players look up to him and want to play hard for HIM? Wasn't he the guy with his face plastered all over the place, as the face of the Raiders? Didn't he like, not get fired? Isn't he like, Al's good friend to this day with no hard feelings over it?

Sorry, I was born at the very tail end of Madden's career, so I had to ask these questions. :)

One more thing. I don't want to puts words in Al's mouth. But I suspect if he were asked the question of who is the face of the Raiders he'd say Jim Otto. To me it's Al, but I just have a feeling he'd say his good friend Jim.

Psycho

4:10 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

BTW, Bama7 - why I asked you about who brought in Jordan. I know for a fact that Turner said during Jordan's first year here that he asked Davis to go out and get him. Turner told Al that that's the kind of RB he wanted.

An interesting Jordan note. Every season here, he's averaged 3.8 yards per carry, including this one. In fact in 4 out of his 7 years in the league he's averaged 3.8 yard per carry.

The three years he did better, two of them he had less than 50 carries. The one remaining he a little over 90 carries and averaged 5.2. That was the last season in NY.

So Turner asked Al to bring in a player based on one 90 carry season. Now, you can blame Al for this because he didn't slap Turner and say "No!" Or you can realize that Raider coaches do have a say in who plays for them.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

I don't recall Madden getting fired.. I thought he retired because his he thought he was going to have a heart attack if he kept coaching. Maybe I remember wrong?

Also... if one wants to look at success drafting, they better start with NE.... take a look here at what they concentrate on... mostly defensive tackles with their number ones....

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/patriots.html

Granted, they run a 3-4 where the front line is critical... but that should be what we spend our number one on next season IMO.

BTW.. thanx Blanda.

4:17 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary- sorry to disagree, but Gruden did get his ring... just not with the Raiders. I'd be surprised if there's anyone here that was happy to see Chucky leave. He became the face of the Raiders (literally).

If I might be so bold, this is a strange day of posts.... Al-bashing, Al-defending, and Al’s colon. What about the game?

4:17 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Gary's right. Madden didn't get fired. He retired for two reasons. He is afraid of flying, which is why he has the Madden bus, and his blood pressure was seriously on the rise.

Flores was fired for two back to back losing seasons. If I remember, those were the first two back to back losing seasons since before Al got here.

nyraider, as for the game, I posted earlier that I was very impressed that the Raiders played the defending SB champs, a better team than won the SB last January, to a game ending non-call by the refs with around 4 minutes to play. I'm even more impressed that the attitude from the players after this game is that they are very pissed that they didn't win it.

I'm a little surprised that these facts aren't jumping out at people. This is a way different team than last year. As Cooper said, "this was our rebuilding year. Let's build off of this."

At this point, I want to say something about Payton Manning. I've said earlier that I think Manning is the only QB currently in the NFL who would be right at home in the teams of the 60s and 70s. Manning does it all, including improvise. How many QBs in the NFL are savvy enough to get off a quick snap while the replacement players are still shuffling in and out? How many NFL QBs are savvy enough to immediately recognize a play which might be reviewable, and to quickly get off a snap to prevent the review? How many people realize that about 80% of the gyrations that Manning goes through at the line of scrimmage are BS, he merely does them to make the defense think he's doing something other than the called play? Manning may be the best QB I've ever seen. Oh that he were a Raider.

4:40 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Added...

Russell has put in good quality time while with the Raiders. His first year has not been a waste. He's received first quality tutoring from McCown and Culpepper in how to be an NFL caliber player. While he was at LSU, he took part in Payton Manning's QB camps, and Manning apparently remembers him well. Russell had his eyes glued on everything Manning did in the course of the game, and plans to spend some time talking to him in the off season.

Since we don't have Manning, right now, my second choice would be Russell. And I think Kiffin has brought him along brilliantly.

4:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

After listening to Kiffin's Sunday press conf on Raiders.com, I now realize why NFL.com didn't put it up. It's not too flattering to the officiating. Got to love that about Kiffin... he calls it like he sees it.

He basically says the Raiders have learned how to finish (and did), but the officials wouldn't let them. Per Kiffin, this one's not on the Raiders' players.

I hope he doesn't get fined.

5:34 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

what that zombie official said to porter after the non call was pretty fu**ed up.

the raiders should try that one out these last 2 games.
let's grab all receivers arms, but not turn them around.

we'll either pitch 2 shutouts, or set a record for most penalties in 2 games.

6:05 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Gary and Blanda,

Madden's fear of flying was the main reason, along with his blood pressure he was getting a ulcer.

Tom Flores was a psuedo firing. He was asked to resign and given another position within the organization, but wound up in Seattle before coming back.

That was a period of I think 19 years where the Raiders only had two coaches, lots of playoff appearences and three Super Bowl wins. Al, believes in stability and continuity. It's why he promoted Callahan. But, it didn't work out.

With Gruden, he had a contact extension on the table with a nice raise. I can't remember the reason it was taken off the table, but it was there.

Too bad about Fargas, time to see what Rhodes has in the tank.

Blanda, you must have seen the same 4 by 6 glossies I did of Al's colonoscopy on his myspace account. Pretty impressive for a guy his age.

H

6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only reason Gruden got his SB win was because bone-head Callahan was on the other sideline. He'll never get another one.

RaiderMike

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

h said, "With Gruden, he had a contact extension on the table with a nice raise. I can't remember the reason it was taken off the table, but it was there."

it was removed when gruden told the press that he wouldn't resign with the raiders because he wanted to move on with his career closer to his family. al removed the extension, and traded him to tampa bay in the offseason.

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gruden sucks, he coached not to loose!

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me on Madden:
"Didn't he like, NOT get fired? Isn't he like, Al's good friend to this day with no hard feelings over it?"

My wierd, twisted sarcasm seems to have been misinterpreted somewhere.

My point was; Madden was the face of our franchise, larger than life during some of our most glorious years. He is celebrated and loved by Davis, who seems to have never had any problems with Madden stealing any kind of spotlight from him.

Is it NOT fair to say that Davis would welcome a focus on Kiffin if it means winning? Even if Kiffin becomes a "Face of the franchise" of sorts?

I find it rediculous to think that Kiffin would be fired for becoming the "face" of the Raider Nation. Is that NOT the coach's job?

Any leader of anything becomes the face of that something, if they're any good at whatever the hell that might be.

Psycho

9:55 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

it's hard, or really impossible, to seperate al davis from the raiders.
they will be linked in time now, and forever.

with kiffin, i get the same feeling as i did with gruden. the team is finally moving foward again.
i never had that feeling with turner, shell, or callahan.

the thing is to keep it moving foward this time, and not let it slip back again.

you can't slap a #12 on marinovich's back and tell us it's stabler.
you can't slap a #24 on larry brown, and tell us it's willie brown.

you have to move on, or else you become the sad story of the redskins, with a hall of fame coach, looking rather lost on the sidelines.

so as long as al davis is ready to embrace change, and the future, i think the raiders will be alright.

10:41 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Raider00,

You have hit the proberbial nail on the head. It's exactly my point when I said I no longer cared what happened in the third round of the 2001 draft. We don't get a do over or a mulligan. And, most of the people involved then are gone.

It's more about what we are doing now to rectify the situation. The organization appears to be taking the proper steps. There is a new attitude in the locker room.

Part of the "we" is the fan base, and we fans need to recognize that even at 4-10 this is a team on the upswing. Getting behind them and helping to push them over that final hill is what our job is.

That doesn't mean we can't be critical or even argue amongst ourselves, but we must recognize the positives along with the negatives.

Psycho,

Twisted sarcasm is what we like best about you.

H

4:55 AM  
Anonymous H said...

The fallout begins:

When Russell played two series against the Mules and we win, Kiffin is a genius.

Russell plays three series agains the Ponies and we loose, Kiffin is officially an idiot.

One reporter wanted him to either stay in or not play at all.

Let the second guessing begin!

H

5:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J.Cooper - “This is where I want to be and end my career. This is it. Especially with Coach Kiffin, he’s got something going."
*********

If anyone want's to know the difference between this year and last year, that's it right there.

Psycho

6:39 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>>
Is it NOT fair to say that Davis would welcome a focus on Kiffin if it means winning? Even if Kiffin becomes a "Face of the franchise" of sorts?
>>>>>


Anybody that saw the press conference introducing Kiffin with Al beaming like a proud papa would know that his proudest day as a Raider might be him and Kiffin hoisting the Lombardi trophy together.

This "Al can't stand anyone else getting the credit or spotlight" is just something someone made up after Gruden left, and the Al-haters embraced it like it was the holy grail. It's all complete bullshit.

Al could care less about himself... all he cares about is WINNING. If he wanted the spotlight to be more on him he would be more like the Cowboys owner.. preening in the spotlight and seeking out press conferences every chance he gets. Al has NEVER done this. Get a life Al-haters... this is getting embarrassing.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Blanda:Manning does it all, including improvise. How many QBs in the NFL are savvy enough to get off a quick snap while the replacement players are still shuffling in and out?
>>>>>


I wonder if we are going to see more of this considering SOB has the exact same defense every play??? Why not call more plays in the huddle and make sure the Raiders can't shuffle players in and out?

Its kinda surprising that more OC's don't show more imagination in attacking a defense that never changes. Its always been one of my pet peaves of the NFL... the ego's and set-in-stone playbooks of the coaches don't allow any innovations. In this case it helps the Raiders.

It was my biggest problem with Gruden... his set-in-stone playboook cost us another ring in trying to run against the best run defense in the history of the NFL.

I wrote the week before the game that I thought we shoulda went no-huddle pass-every-down on them.

It would kept the fat-ass Siragussa and Sam Adams on the field the entire game... they would have DIED by the 4th quarter. It cost us a ring.... not Callahan... not the snowjob. The game against the Ravens cost us a ring.... HARUMPH.

8:17 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Gary, the ability of Manning to get plays off quickly, often evolving into a no-huddle, relies on Colt personnel. The Colts run a no-huddle very effectively, and they do it because they can.

The problem with the offense keeping the same defensive personnel on the field is that the offense also must keep the same personnel on the field. This requires having FBs who slip into TE positions, and TEs who can slip out into the slot. Sometimes it requires WRs who can block like TEs and OTs who can catch like TEs. The Colts have that. They can do that. They've been building that capability for many years, and it's one of the reasons they have (what is it?) five 12 win seasons in a row.

We are not anywhere near that point, but I think Kiffin can take us there.

Re Al Davis. Davis views football as the Roman Colosseum. The players are the gladiators, and the owners and coaches are the trainers and strategists. He views them, the great ones, as having a legitimate place in history for what they bring the public by means of folklore and morality plays.

Davis sees himself in the Mt. Olympus of this world, but he never believed that the lives there alone. He is honored to be included with the great ones who have gone before, and always proud to lead the welcoming party for the new arrivals. He welcomes all of the great ones, sometimes determining on his own who those great ones are. He has welcomed both his friends and his enemies.

That said, he welcomes no one who hasn't earned their place. He will provide opportunity when he can and thinks it's justified, but the final destination of Mt. Olympus must be earned by the individual. And Al Davis has introduced more great ones to the Hall than anybody.

9:05 AM  
Anonymous LK said...

Pro Bowl balloting very unkind to Raiders and former Raiders with the intials "CWood". Lechler only Raiders rep. Check it out at nfl.com

1:31 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The coaches get to pick a few players to take to Hawaii with them. My guess is that Nnamdi will also go (possibly Morrison and/or Howard).

2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blanda,

What does that mean, the coaches get to pick a few more players? All coaches pick, or just the Pro Bowl coaches?

I thought the coaches' 33.3% vote was already included in the final results.

Last time Nnamdi was invited late only because someone else couldn't make it and he was the alternate. That's the only way that I was aware of that sends additional players. And I don't see any of our guys even listed as alternates.

Anyway, this popularity contest is a real shame regardless. It's almost as bad as the college Bowl system.

Psycho

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops, I was looking at the reserves, not alternates. Some of our guys might be alternates but I don't see any info on it.

Looking at the usual TV stuff in the "Honerable Mentions" and "Guys who were overlooked", we're getting no love there either by the media. Nnamdi, Howard & Morrison need to go around cracking some heads. Maybe then, someone will notice them.

Psycho

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michigan named a coach. Now watch as the media quietly backs away from the Kiffin rumors.

When asked about the rumors of Kiffin leaving to take a college job, the media replied; "What rumors? We don't remember anything about that. Who's Lane Kiffin? Raiders? Oh he sucks and he cheats. Something has to be done about the criminal element in Oakland."

Psycho

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

A defense nearly last in the league in rushing prolly won't get any front 7 players named unless he has tons of sacks.

That doesn't explain Asum. being left off. I still think his name sounds too Muslim. Al Harris instead of Asum or CWood? That's crazy.

Romo made him look like a high school CB.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Ooops... Asum wouldn't go in Harris' spot, of course.

Bailey is going for name recognition... I'd doubt there would be too many Denver fans saying he deserves it. Samuel for NE is a great pick... don't know about Cromartie as reserve.

Two CB's from the AFCW on the pro-bowl and one isnt Asum? Thats kinda fucked up.

5:27 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Gary-

You are so right about that game. As good as grudin was he was also a cement head at times.

I actually changed a flight back from a caribean vacation because my original return flight would have been during the game. I wanted to get home early enough to watch it.

5:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

NYRaider's Five Post Game Takes-

1). Fargas breaks the all so elusive (for a Raider RB) 1,000 yard barrier...with only 7 games as a starter. Unfortunately, he’s probably out for the season with a knee sprain. Job well done Huggy Jr. Now, it’s time to get paid.

2). Howard has a monster game. Kiffin says he was all over the field (and he was).

3). The Raider D shows up and keeps Colts running game in check, while managing consistent pressure on Manning, including three sacks to add to his season-long total 17 sacks (1.3 per game).

4). Raiders, behind Fargas and McCown, engineer a masterful 99+ yard, 20-minute scoring drive, which contributed to a lopsided 7-minute advantage in time of possession. A thing of beauty!

5). Josh McCown shows he has some moxie, despite his talent limitations. For all the criticism I’ve lashed out at McCown, he seems to exude his will and determination, playing injured, playing injured well, and wanting to play despite his injury(s). I’ll concede, McCown is a notable character improvement over Aaron “I’m still winless as a Raider QB” Brooks.

PS, Lane Kiffin had a thing or two to say (indirectly as it might of been) about the poor officiating that prevented the Raiders from finishing the game... which they could have and probably would have done.

Sorry Take, I just couldn’t wait. Obviously, I don’t have your stylistic flare.

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY,

Nice Take, but you forgot to accuse Kiffin of being a space alien!

Psycho

6:31 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

gary, i have one question.... just who do you think you are man? we all come in here to give our freedom of opinion. but yet your head is so big it won't allow anyone to get a word in edgewise especially if that word is against yo daddy al. you swear, you put people down. are you guys the only raider fans in existence? i don't think so.

you said "Al could care less about himself" THAT my friend is what you call complete and utter BULL. al ONLY cares about himself. stabbing the mcgah family in the back - AL, court appearances - AL, frivolous lawsuits - AL, bad draft picks - AL, bad free agent signings - AL.

OH and that crap about Tony Dungy possibly being coach of the Raiders? BULL. And that crap about the old man trying to talk Bill Walsh out of retirement? Also BULL. When he blamed Art Shell for drafting Huff instead of Leinart? More BULL! This guy lies through his dentures!

we will ALL enjoy a championship when this guy FINALLY GOES AWAY!

the sooner you accept the truth, the sooner the truth'll set you free Gar!

I AM NOT ANY LESS A RAIDER FAN THAN YOU. I LOVE THE RAIDERS. I DESPISE AL DAVIS AND HIS SHENANIGANS. I REALIZE YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THE TWO. AND THAT IS THE REASON WE AIN'T WINNIN' ANY CHAMPIONSHIPS!

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

Scorpio, if you expect anyone to pay attention to what you write, we need to see something a li'l more substantial for evidence than "bull."

JMHO

---Jeff

8:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scorpio Said:
"soon as kiffin starts winning and becomes the face of the franchise, al's gonna get rid of him too (oh and his dad too if he comes over). you see, no one is bigger than the big cheese. if he starts to be he's gone."

I (Psycho) said:
As far as all this talk about Kiffin being gone if he becomes bigger than the big cheese. Wasn't Madden larger than life? Didn't the players look up to him and want to play hard for HIM? Wasn't he the guy with his face plastered all over the place, as the face of the Raiders? Didn't he like, NOT get fired? Isn't he like, Al's good friend to this day with no hard feelings over it?"
***************************
Scorpio, to your excellent point, we all come in here to give our personal opinions. Gary was merely agreeing with something I'd written (above) in response to one of your opinions.

Maybe instead of bashing Gary you could address my original comments on Madden. And just so you don't accuse me of having a big head for disagreeing with you, I hereby give you a word in edge wise and welcome your opinion, for the record. I really am interested in hearing where you get this stuff.

Psycho

9:19 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

A couple points after jumping in late ...

Charger CB Cromartie definitely deserves recognition ... 10 picks is an amazing accomplishment.

I personally think that Davis has a tough love, father/son type relationship with Kiffin. Davis handpicked Kiffin because he saw a younger version of himself with the USC ties, recruiting background similar to his, and the cocksure attitude Kiffin exuded in the interview. The only way this will be another feather in Davis' cap is to allow the time for Kiffin to return the Raiders to glory.

All the bogus rumors about Kiffin leaving/Kiffin being fired are worth no more than the toilet paper on the bottom of my shoe.

Kiffin is starting to get the National recognition that he deserves. This is not a problem with Davis for 2 very logical reasons:

(1) Kiffin isn't a spotlight hound meaning he doesn't have the personality where he needs to be taking the credit or constantly getting in front of the camera.

(2) Davis desperately wants the Raiders to succeed and he realizes that
(a) keeping Kiffin at the helm is his best shot
(b) the last thing he wants to do is restart the tedious, laborious, somewhat shameful process of interviewing and hiring a another replacement.

To Psycho: In defense of SOB, he did in fact mix and match and disuguise a wide variety of schemes vs. Indy. The Raiders D was not predicatble. The Raiders D was very aggressive. The Raiders D were rock solid on the goal line and tackled well throughout the game. The Raiders D stopped the run, provided good a good pass rush, and allowed only 14 points vs. the #4 offense in the NFL. Gotta give credit where credit is due brother.

9:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calico,
Not sure where that came from. I might just be confused but I don't think I mentioned SOB recently. You may have me mixed up with another poster somewhere.

I scrolled back and found a comment I made days ago regarding Ryan being liable for "Turdell" Sands. And if I remember correctly, you may have been the original person to suggest a full blown switch to the 3-4, which I've been disagreeing with.

But outside of that I agree with you, there was nothing wrong with Sunday in regards to Ryan. As a matter of fact I noticed he blitzed Howard on the first D play, just as we've been begging for.

Psycho

10:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scorpio,
Isn't irony grand? Regarding my last post to you I was wrong on one count. I was scrolling back looking for previous comments to respond to Calico and I came accross what I think you were referring to in your rant; Gary 3:31

It looked like it was in response to something else but I understand your frustration now. And I thought you were just throwing a hissy fit. :)

But I would still like to hear what you have to say about my Madden comments, just for kicks.

Psycho

10:45 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

i'll just speak for myself here, but i enjoy reading all comments by raider fans on this blog.

i think scorpio, and bama7 make a lot of valid points about what is wrong with the raiders, and, let's face it, something has been very wrong for a while.

i also think gary, and blandarocked are great, loyal fans, who back al to the hilt.
hell, i'm old enough to remember the good ol days to, and there's nothing wrong with wanting things to be good again.

but let's remember this about al davis and the raiders. it was only 2002 when we made it to the super bowl. i know we lost it, but a lot of teams can't say they've even been there for decades, if ever.

we all know that al davis hated that wc offense that gruden ran.
but to his credit, al held his nose, and got gruden the pieces he needed. gannon, garner, and, oh yeah, the greatest wc receiver ever, jerry rice.
well, it almost worked. it's too bad the whole thing got blown up for whatever reason.

so here we are again, with kiffin and jruss, and i for one am feeling hopeful again.
this time it really can work if everyone sticks around long enough.

so that's my take on al davis. he has his faults, yes, but at least we know he's trying to win.
what more can we ask ?

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Well said, Raider00.
This week is, to me, our biggest test. It's hard to gauge how we've grown playing Donkeys and Chiefs who are absolutely awful, the packers in weather conditions that are alien to us, and an Indy team that probably had a hard time getting up for us. Not to take credit from us because we ARE better than we were last year.
This game, this week, the JAGS is the biggest game we've played this year. Why? They are a very tough, physical team that plays good, physical defense and also pounds the ball extremely well on the ground offensively. The Jags are the team "no one wants to play" in the post season.
I am interested to see how we do in this game, because quite frankly they are going to be bringing it to us because they have SO MUCH at stake playoff-wise.
We'd better be ready to hit.

4:43 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Scorpio,

In your post you stated about Al Davis, "we will ALL enjoy a championship when this guy FINALLY GOES AWAY!"

I've personally enjoyed three NFL Championships and a plethora of division championships and trips to the AFC Championship game with the old geezer. Not to mention a 19 year run with only two head coaches.

It's not all in the last century either. If the Dolts with the division they will TIE the Raiders for most West Division Championships this decade.

The fall from grace was mighty and quick after the 2002 division championship. However, for those who say Al wants everything his way, that team was built in Gruden's image. Just look at Tampa now, who is starting at quarterback? A mobile, journeyman veteran. The exact same description of Gannon when he was signed.

One of the biggest criticisms of Mr. Davis has been his propensity toward veterans and not building from within. Well, he's doing that now with a young team and a young coach. Yet the criticisms are reaching a crescendo.

If this team reaches the playoffs next year, will Al get any credit for having the foresight to hire Kiffin and agree to drafting Russell? Not in the media I would think. If it does happen, the media will do its best to get Kiffin run out of town. His name will be linked to every HC job from Miami to Seattle and all stops in between, pro and college.

For as we know, not even the Pope could work with Al Davis.

H

5:11 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I see Al Davis as the best thing, and the worst thing that ever happened to the Raiders. There’s no denying, Davis is the Raiders, i.e., the good, the bad and the ugly.

I see Al as being egocentric to a fault, and that may well represent the worst of him. From his legal battles to his obvious daily involvement with coaching, player interaction and personnel decisions (good and bad), to his outright refusal to hire a competent GM, he is as “hands on” as they get. And as critical as I can be, particularly of late, it’s hard to begrudge the man the spoils he’s worked so hard for and earned in his life.

At the end of the day, I owe Al Davis and the Raiders many thanks (and a little of my patience) for three SB victories, and many years of dominating football. I just hope we catch another wave while the old man is still alive, and I can jump on and ride it with him.

5:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H- to offer MHO re your question, "will Al get any credit for ...agreeing to draft Russell?"

How can a $60 million gunslinger be anything but Al's pick? His colossal contract aside, Russell doesn't even seem to fit Kiffin's offense, at least as he's presented it so far. I think Kiffin would rather mold McCown into his permanent starter.

5:41 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Scorpio:
I AM NOT ANY LESS A RAIDER FAN THAN YOU. I LOVE THE RAIDERS. I DESPISE AL DAVIS AND HIS SHENANIGANS. I REALIZE YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THE TWO. AND THAT IS THE REASON WE AIN'T WINNIN' ANY CHAMPIONSHIPS!
>>>>>


Dude.. check yourself. The things you type often sound like they are written by a 13 year old, including above. Hey, if you want to spend your time making stuff up about Al, blaming a 38-10 loss on our kicker, and bellyaching about not winning any SB's in an atmosphere when MOST teams in the NFL haven't even been to the playoffs... knock yourself out! Just don't expect to not catch shit about it from people that have been following the team for 40 years. Al has his faults, and I have pointed them out... his impatience, and kneejerking drives me crazy at times, and hurts the teams chances... but he's still a better owner than all but 14 teams in the post salary cap era (in regards to post season play). I can PROVE IT too... I don't just sit here and bang my fists on the floor and yell "BULL."

7:16 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Calico... I didn't realize the SD CB had 10 picks... that is quite a season. I agree, hard to leave both Samuel and him off for Asum. Bailey is still over-rated.

And it was I that was going off SOB's defense on Sunday... prolly unfairly.

His defense played great except for the drive... maybe it was all Manning and nothing would have mattered... my point is Ida thrown everything including the kitchen sink to stop him.... blitz Manning until there isn't a man left to blitz when the game is on the line... the worst thing that can happen is he scores quicker and we have more time to ANSWER. Thats how championship teams win games. I don't see that with SOB and it drives me crazy. Sorry.

7:22 AM  
Anonymous H said...

NYRaider,

While your points are well taken I must do a counter point.

For Russell, the man has played a total of five series and he doesn't seem to fit Kiffin's offense. Well, lets trade him to the Fish for Cleo Lemon and a water boy to be named later.

For the life of me, I can't understand how judgments are made with such little input. Russell was one hell of a college quarterback. Almost freakish on occasion. Until he has a full season under his belt we won't know squat as to what kind of NFL quarterback he will be or if he will fit Kiffin's system.

Kiffin's system is built on the foundation of zone blocking with power running. What quarterback doesn't fit that?

Also, where are the coaches who modified their "system" to more closely fit the strengths of the players on hand.

As to his 60 million contract, well that was just the market value at the time. At some point it's going to have to slow down or level off.

For Al not hiring a "competent" GM. For each competent one out there there must be five or six incompetent ones. Just like the draft, GM's can be a crapshoot.

But, you are correct on one thing. Al is the Raiders, the good, the bad and the ugly. I've just seen more good over the years. And, some years it was great.

H

7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In regards to the direction Kiffen/Davis (debatable - lol) are taking the 2007 Raiders team and the optimism I have going into next year, I have chosen to look at the season from a 30,000ft level.

Despite ending the season with a losing record, the Raiders have improved their record from last year. We ARE a better team.

Dolts - Worse than last year
Donkeys - Worse than last year
Chefs - Worse than last year

So, the trend is that we have proven to get better while the other AFC West teams are ALL showing signs of decline.

Maybe TOO simple? Perhaps, but I drive myself crazy thinking about every play in every game that could have changed our season. Details, shmetails.

azraider63

8:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NYRaider,

I agree with the majority of your posts on Raider Take, however I disagree with your statement that "Russell doesn't seem to fit Kiffen's offense".

H brings up a great point...it's hard to judge him after only 4 offensive series.

I think he is a perfect fit for this offense based on the fact that I watched him at LSU during his career.

As far as McCown, I agree that he fits our system, but not long term (looking over his shoulder at JRuss).

Someone posted earlier about McCown's moxie and attitude. I have to agree. Although he lacks some QB skills...he is one TOUGH SOB.

He has really shown me he will do anything for this team, unlike KFC, AB and others that have walked through our revolving QB door.

I would like to see him stay on as a backup to JRuss, but not our permanant.

azraider63

8:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To add to H's comments; Russell is oustanding throwing on the run and therefore he should fit our system better than most.

Plus on those critical short sideline passes of a WC Coffense, nobody will get the ball there quicker than Russell.

Psycho

8:17 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

The protypical WC Qb is someone that makes quick, precise decisions and delivers the ball to the receivers on stride so they can get lotsa yards after the catch. Typically these QB's also don't have great long arms, but who sez that Russell won't be the exception rather than the rule?

I very much think Kiffin was behind the Russell pick. Al didn't have much luck with drafting first round QB's (cough Marinovich, Wilson, Dickey... cough)... or drafting QB's whatsoever. I don't think any of the great Raider QB's were drafted by Al.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Oops... Stabler in the 2nd round was an Al pick in 1968.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on you Gary! :)

azraider63

8:40 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

gary, monte poole wrote an article last weekend floating the idea of kiffin sr. coming over as the new DC. i sent him an e-mail in response, with my al davis rants and about you al davis lovers. this is what he said.

"Scorpio, You obviously know what time it is with that organization.

However, there are times when I feel the need to point the possibilities -- even if I know the Old Man won't go for it. Hey, he certainly doesn't listen to me.

This was a case of me connecting a few dots and floating an idea. Will it happen? No way. But I felt obligated to point out a scenario wherein this team could get better.

thanks
MP"

so it's not just me. anyone with half a brain can see what's wrong with our team and it starts from the very top.

calico is right on with his point #2. but the key is to leave kiffin the hell alone! don't you get it? this is the problem! al's strange personnel decisions like keeping cooper on the active list, 4 qb's, signing an expensive RB (rhodes) and banishing him to the bench? leaving bush hanging the whole year? how can kiffin evaluate his talent for '08 if this kind of crap happens?

gary, i've been a raider fan since 1968. i may not remember all the games (i was 8 years old when i started) but i won't get into how much i admired al in the distant past but no more.

raider00, madden was the man. that was a different time when al still had magic. time has passed him by. it's been 20 years since that last superbowl win folks - 20 years!

9:05 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

one more thing. i absolutely believe in what lane kiffin is doing. we got blown out in GB. i never expected a win against the colts. so kiffin deserves a lot of credit for keeping the team together for that game. to lose like that is ok because they leaned something from it.

again, if and say IF al leaves him to do the things he needs to do and with control of the team, we will go places and I, SCORPIO will HAPPILY eat crow. but that's a BIG IF!

9:11 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

scorpio,
i agree that with every nfl team, success or bad times, start at the top, and filter down.
i like al davis, i think he is innovative, a maverick amongst the owners, and is not afraid to take a risk to win. the only person in sports that is comparable to al davis right now, is mark cuban.
i don't agree with everything davis does. example, the continued lawsuits against the nfl for the la market. was he justified in doing so? yes. but if you notice, ever since he first filed against the nfl, the raiders hit a brick wall in the playoffs, close games, and even super bowl. conspiracy? could be, i don't know. has it hurt the team? definitely, the writing is on the wall.
here are several questions that maybe we can all answer.
1. when you look at the raiders the past few years, what are the major problems with the team that you see? i see that our team has an identity crisis for one. through the head coaching carousel, and young players that we've had on offense, we have no identity. if you remember, callahan and turner acted as our offensive coordinator/head coach. shell had b-n-b walsh. the identity crisis with the team in this regard starts there. defensively, ryan has been the only stability with the team, and our young defense has an identity.
the other problem i see, is no leadership on the offensive side of the ball, especially the o-line. but i think kiffin is bringing that back. love him or hate him at qb, but that is what the team likes about mccown. he has stepped up in the leadership role, and newberry has taken that title for the o-line. this also stems from the identity crisis with the team.
the third and final problem i've seen with our team, is the quality of some players. jordan, sims, gallery, porter, gabriel, whitted, the old tight ends, langston walker, moss, etc; all had a quitters attitude. they quit on the team when it got rough. jordan, sims, and now rhodes have had that same attitude on us, and it appears that culpepper has too. now that fargas went down, you will see rhodes and jordan with a "me" attitude and a different "hop" in their step. but kiffin will rid of the cancers; he just had to know for himself. those are the 3 blaring problems i have seen with this team the last 5 years.

2. in light of the above question, how do these problems reflect on al davis? identity: al wants to win, and he is trying to find the right strategy of coaching that will help him win. al doesn't know where to turn, and he has lost identity for what he wants in a coach. this is being corrected though, because he is 100% behind kiffin (whom i think may take over the team, along with amy trask, just my opinion). the identity crisis with the head coaches stemmed from davis' own identity crisis with the raiders. this happened with gruden and bruce allen. they both used the raiders' organization, and al davis, as a stepping stone to get what they wanted. al reacted by going to people he trusted. he didn't want anyone else coaching the raiders unless he trusted them. callahan was trusted by the players, so he hired callahan. then when callahan changed everything that was working, and the players threw him under the bus; he was fired. al davis then went to jimmy johnson, who openly admits that he was approached by davis to coach the raiders. johnson doesn't want to coach again, so he suggested his good friend norv turner. i think norv's downfall was the injury to gannon, and the kfc debacle. in the third season, davis' wife has a stroke, and he stays with her and helps her (which continues to this day). after 3 seasons, turner was let go.
so al, looking at the organization from the outside in (due to his and his wife's health) didn't have anywhere else to turn, but within the organization, and he turned to art shell, who he trusted. shell's downfall was not surrounding himself with coaches who were up to speed with current football. 2-12, you know the story.
so al turns to the place he started, usc. interviews sarkisian and kiffin. likes kiffin the best out of the two because kiffin reminds him of his younger self. al davis finally throws everything he's done out of the window, and goes with what he knows...his gut. there is one thing al knows, and it is spotting a great coach. i think al is finding his confidence again, because he is going by what he knows, and not anyone else's opinion.
as far as the draft? i don't know who makes the call. al is definitely a part of that process, but i think he respects his coaches enough to let them have a voice, and make picks as well. this year's draft reflects that.
what do you guys think? what have you seen being the raiders' problems the past 5 years? how do you think that reflects al davis, since it starts from the top and filters down?

9:43 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Scorpio,

Yes, it's been twenty years since that Super Bowl win for the Raiders.

The following teams were in the league at the time of the first Super Bowl. Collectively they have zero Super Bowl wins.

Falcons
Bengals
Cardinals
Oilers/Titans
Bills
Eagles
Vikings
Lions
Rams
Chargers
Browns (When they moved to Baltimore Cleveland kept their history)

That's over 30% of the teams that were active at the time of the merger have yet to win a Super Bowl much less three in five trips.

You can accuse me of living in the past, but it is the history of this franchise that provides me hope for the future of that same franchise. And, Al Davis is the link to that history and that future.

We who like and admire Al may not always agree with him, but we will not desert him. Conversely, those who are his detractors will not embrace him short of his selling the team.

The media will never embrace the man and, sadly, that is where most of the information / misinformation / spin about the man comes from.

H

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Scorpio: you can't argue with Gary, H or Blanda. They have their views and very few concessions within them. NY RAider probably summed Al up best.
Gary- you do realize Cromartie and Huff were #1 & #2 DB's in the 2006 draft, right?
This point is my seque into answering Raider Nate 75's question about our biggest problems and what part, if any, Al plays in them.
Our biggest problem on defense is Al's insistence on trying to build around speedy track DB's instead of focusing on the front 7 (hitters/blue collar football guys). Cromartie has blossomed playing behind and a D-line and LB's that are VERY physical. Huff is struggling becuase our front seven is not very physical.
On offense we are struggling because Al's chronic love of the antiquated, verticle, QB deep drop offense he fell in love with back in Lamonica's days. So we continually regress back to it over the last twenty years. Even when we were the best offense in the league under Gruden, Al couldn't wait to get out of that scheme.
Kiffen is absolutely not standing for that. He is changing things on offense to a modern scheme... and what'd you know? Suddenly we're not half bad running the ball. Even Fargas flourishes. The test is now... the Jags. A very good football team that is very physical. Can we run on them? Can we Stop their power run game.
To me, the guage of our team's growth is all on Sunday's game. The Jags will be playing lights out, power football. How will we respond? The Jags will make noise in the playoffs.

11:09 AM  
Anonymous raiderdecoachella said...

h, raidernate, gary and blanda:

I sure hope that Clinton doesn't ever come into this site because she would hire you guys on the spot to run her campaign! I betcha that she would win by a large margin as well!

I don't understand the people that are Raider's fans and hate Mr. Davis, it's beyond me! how can you love your brothers (the Raiders) but hate the father (the owner of the team) I don't know it's beyond me.

I agree with bama in regards to this weekend's contest, we will be playing away against a team hungry for the playoffs and trying to make a statement to the rest of the playoff teams, I think that this will be our biggest test, nothing to play for against a team that has a big playoff implication!

11:15 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Jeez, Scorpio, you've got to be kidding. Poole is a long time Davis hater if not a Raider hater. As for his prognostication about Monte Kiffin, both Lane and Monte have said that's the last thing they'd want, and they don't know where the idea came from. Monte said, "the last thing my son would want is is Dad there looking over his shoulder."

But I guess Al Davis told them to lie. Scorpio, you're pathological.

11:22 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I also agree with Bama7. This will be our toughest late season game. The Jags have the most to play for.

11:24 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Regarding Davis looking at Dungy in the late 80s. It's true. Dungy himself said that during the post season Al was everywhere he went, and Davis talked to him a lot, and almost all of it about football. If you've watched the Raiders over the years, you know that's how Davis finds his coaches. He attends everything the coaches attend, and he's constantly talking with them about strategy. Madden learned that from Davis. He said that he figured out how to prepare the team for the SB by talking to the Pro Bowl players that he wound up coaching most years because the Raiders lost the conference championship.

Dungy said he knew that he was a candidate, but because he wasn't officially called down to LA to talk to Davis in the offices, he didn't think we was "close." But Davis finds that contestants are more honest with him if they don't know they are interviewing.

Scorpio, I'm sorry to know all of this stuff, but - hey, I'm a Raider fan.

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is it time to draft yet?

Is howie's boy worth it?
McFadden is the only one that i'm in love with. But that's going to take a top 3 pick, and I don't think we can afford it!!!

I say ... I say I'm sick of giving a crap about the draft!

12:38 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Let's see now.

Al doesn't want anything but the vertical offense.

Fact:

Ken Stabler was never known for his arm strength. His favorite targets were Casper, his tight end, and Biletnikoff whom you could time with a calendar. Not exactly a vertical offense.

Fact:

Jim Plunkett had a strong arm, but in 1983 his favorite target was Todd Christensen with 92 receptions. Christensen caught 80 or more passes the next two years.

When you have the players to be verticle, do it. When you don't, you don't. That's what I mean by a coach modifying his "system" to fit the personnel. Madden would talk about the team going out and finding players that fit Stabler's style and strength.

Yes, Al Davis likes fast players. Yes, he likes to strike deep. It is a myth that it is all he wants to do.

If you really want to see the actual beginnigs of the so called west coast offense, look at some of the old 70's Raiders. Stabler said they used to love to nickle and dime a defense to death. Wear them down, then go for the throat with a deep one late in the game and put a dagger in the other teams heart.

How this myth perpetuates itself is somewhat amazing. Al Davis did like quarterbacks with good yards per attempt, but it was just a statistic that was part of the overall package.

He loved Plunkett whose offense was anything but a deep verticle go for broke style.

H

1:07 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Davis loved Stabler and Plunkett for the same reason he loved Gannon (also not known for the vertical strike), they were outstanding football leaders.

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H,
Outstanding Raider wizdom there, guy. Keep the history flowing. I have to half-guess some of the time when talking about past greats, so the more first-hand stuff I hear the better.

Good to have people around here who've seen it and possess enough common sense to covey it properly. No offense to the other older guys intended, I did say "people".

Psycho

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

As long as we are agreeing with Bama.. I will too. Al has ignored the front lines too much... although I think our LB's are fine. I thought Sands looked pretty good myself last year... he sure isn't much now that he signed his contract. Tommy Kelly was our best run-stuffer until injured... what can you do about that? Sapp lost weight and looks quicker and healthier, but unfortunately, the NFL now requires sumo-wrestlers as tackles.

Could we have used more depth at d-line? Absolutely... but you have to pick your poison. The salary-cap era means you can't have all-pro's at every position like the old days.

Maybe thats why all the older Al-haters can't stand this era... we used to get all the best players in the NFL simply because everyone loved playing for Al (which is still true today, cept for the losing).

The salary-cap has not been good for Al... but it's not going to go away. Best to deal with reality. Or come here and stomp your foot because our team isn't championship quality every year anymore... it's your choice I guess.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

H... my favorite player is the Snake (along with FB) and I have an autographed framed picture of them both above me as I type... and thats an awesome point that I never thought of... the WC offense might have some genesis from that team. He certainly had the sideline pattern with Freddie B. down to a science... especially during the two minute drill. We also used the RB out of the backfield as a receiver pretty often.

Bill Walsh might have been studying old Raider tapes when he "invented" the WC offense. Kinda cool!

5:03 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Gary, you know more than you think. Bill Walsh and Al Davis essentially came out of the same core group of the NFL. Walsh was, in fact, a Raider coach for a short time.

As for free agency, a lot of people don't realize that came about largely because Davis continually pushed for it. Davis has always favored paying players their due. Before someone brings up the CW meme that Al is a tightwad, I'd point out that he allowed Tim Brown to get signed by Denver just to match the contract, leaving no question that Brown was getting what he was entitled to.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
H, you cherry pick your information. You seem to have left off one Clifford Branch there as a favorite Snake & Plunkett targets. I seem to remember he had a bit of verticle capabilities.

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Since free-agency began in 1994:

SB's:

NE won 3
Dal 2 (none since 96)
Den 2
Pit 1
TB 1
Ind 1
StL 1
Balt 1
GB 1
SF 1

Thats 14 years... 10 champions. 22 teams have the same number of salary cap rings as the Raiders. 12 have never played in a SB since 1994.

Thus there are 12 teams that have undeniably worse ownership than Al, and only 10 with better. Considering we were in the championship game one other year (plus an *) I'd say we are EASILY in the top 15 of all NFL teams in the salary cap era... unless all one worries about is regular season wins... which is like masturbation. Makes you fell good and all... but not the real thang!

Need I remind people that we still have won more playoff games this decade than the rest of the AFCW combined?

That there is backing my opinion up with PROOF... as promised.

Harumph...

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
H, you cherry pick your information. You seem to have left off one Clifford Branch there as a favorite Snake & Plunkett targets. I seem to remember he had a bit of verticle capabilities.
>>>


And SF had Jerry Rice that could run vertical while the WC offense was being invented. Whats your point?

7:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Arguably the best 4 QBs in Raiders history are:

Daryl Lamonica
Snake Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Rich Gannon

The Raiders were highly successful with these 4 QB yet each QB's skill set was as different as night and day. What's my point? My point is that over the past 40 some odd years, when the Raiders have been successful the following has been true:

(a) Strong HC/QB leadership marked by stability.

(b) the offense was tailored to the strengths of the QB.

When Davis took over the Raiders, his original blueprint for a successful team was based on the NY Yankees (Power/Home Runs) and the Brooklyn Dodgers (Speed/Stolen Bases, extra base hits) which were the 2 teams he admired most growing up in NY. His fascination with power (strong armed QBs) and speed (WR, CB) is obviously still in tact but above all, he is obsessed with winning.

By no means is Davis beholden to the "vertical" offense. If you have the personnel to ocassionally go deep for big, back breaking plays, it should be a component of your offensive playbook.

The Kiffin/Russell combo will hopefully be our new alpha dog leaders to bring us back to glory!

8:05 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Haven’t had a chance to really catch up on the day’s posts, but I am glad to read that I got a rise out of a couple of you regarding my Russell comment.

Don’t read too much into my statement that Russell doesn’t seem to fit the Kiff system. I am a huge supporter of Russell since before the draft (along with “The Freak” who we didn’t pick, and is probably doing time in a Mexican jail).

It’s just that Kiffin seem to have a fetish with McCown from the start. Something about his mobility, his game management (which is marginal), and his dink and dunk abilities.

Case and point: Culpepper is the prototype for Russell, yet he had to split an atom (and McCown get injured) before Kiffin inserted him into the lineup. When he finally went in, we realized that 80% Culpepper was better than 100% McCown. Yet, here's McCown in there again and probably running Kiffin's offense better than Culpepper. Go figure.

All that doesn’t change the fact that Russell has more talent in his left (non-throwing) pinky than most QBs out there; so H, no, I wouldn’t trade him for Cleo Lemon (very funny btw). And, whether what I said is true or not, it’s moot at best, because Kiffin will have to make him fit, or make the system fit him. This kid now represents the franchise, like it or not, make it or break it.

8:10 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

gary said
"unless all one worries about is regular season wins... which is like masturbation. Makes you fell good and all... but not the real thang!"

hey Gar, you'd know a thing or two about masterbation huh?

Harumph...

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

choketown faidas will lose to Jacksonville Jaguars 27 to 0 another shutout, the faidas are due for a huge let down after being beaten by a second rate "super bowl" has been winner> The faidas will finish up weak to end the season with 12 official losses (in reality we all know that the faidas only won 1 game this season) but on paper they will be credited with 4 w's.......You be the judge, just be proud "nation" your faidas are the dregs of the NFL STILL!

12:49 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Bama,

Didn't forget about Branch at all. I was pointing out the top receivers in number of catches. If we were so verticle then it should have been Branch. He was a great player, as good as Swann and Stallworth.

My point was the verticle game must be set up. Stabler and Gannon actually had decent arm strength, not great but decent. They would go deep only after they had properly set the defense up and the safeties were drawn closer the the line and would have trouble recovering for the long one.

I've actually heard Stabler say the deep pass is easier because it has to come out fast. You drop, set and throw. You rely on the receiver getting where he's supposed to be on time and adjusting properly to the ball. No waiting for patterns to develop.

In fact, as far as passing goes, the Steelers were probably more verticle than the Raiders back then.

H

4:50 AM  

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