Sunday, November 25, 2007

One Happy Postgame Take

I’m sort of speechless at the moment. After all, I haven’t had a lot of practice writing post-victory takes lately.

I guess we can throw the ball deep. I guess we can run the ball with both force and finesse. I guess we can avoid giving up the big play at the wrong moment. This is the most balanced game I’ve seen the Raiders play in at least two years.

Justin Fargas was a beast, as was Jerry Porter. Yes, Jerry Porter rose from the dead, and proved to be tough as nails. Last time I saw him play like this, it was in Washington D.C. in 2005. The offensive line was solid, and Daunte Culpepper used his newfound time wisely. Sebastian Janikowski delivered again, and while our defense gave up a lot of yards on the ground, they didn’t buckle when it mattered.

It was nice to see the playbook opened up, too. Instead of saying we can’t do things, we just did them. Kudos to Kiffin for keeping locker room mutiny at bay and fielding a focused team amid the hostile environs of Arrowhead. This, indeed, bodes well for the future. By fighting instead of folding, especially this late in the season, the Raiders demonstrated that there’s finally a captain on the ship.

Let’s not forget that the Raiders taunted the football gods earlier this week, and the football gods nearly had the last laugh. By deactivating Michael Bush and retaining LaMont Jordan, we sought to keep Jordan from signing with the Chiefs—thus ensuring that Kolby Smith would start for them.

And who is Kolby Smith? Before today, he was a fifth-round rookie who backed up Bush at Louisville, and who had never started a game in the NFL. As of tonight, however, he is the proud owner Week Twelve’s top rushing mark at 150 yards, courtesy of our leaky line.

The football gods were clearly smiling on Kolby Smith, no doubt licking their chops with the sweet taste of irony regarding his ties to Bush—but then the Autumn Wind blew the smiles off their faces. For once, finally, the ball bounced in favor of the Raiders.

The best bounce of all came courtesy of Herm Edwards, who has never been regarded as a genius of clock management or strategy. With the opportunity to tie the game late with a 40-yard field goal, he went for it on fourth down, only to watch Smith get smacked for a loss.

The day got even better when the Broncos kept kicking to Devin Hester—and Devin Hester kept returning the kicks for touchdowns. When they finally stopped kicking to Hester, they kicked the ball right into an oncoming defender. The Broncos lost to the Bears in overtime, setting the perfect stage for next Sunday’s game.

If I recall correctly, we were tied for the longest divisional drought since the AFL-NFL merger, and a loss today would have made dubious history. But we finally got the Kansas City monkey off our back. As of today, it looks like we just might have enough horses to whip the Broncos on Sunday, and enough fortitude to start a whole new kind of streak.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do you start???
Kiffen unleashes the offense actually giving them and opportunity to determine the outcome and they respond my making big time plays.
Run defense gets raped for the entire game then stones the Chiefs on 4th and 1 in the final quarter with the game on the line.
The Raider offense has the audacity to run the clock out with three consecutive first downs on the final drive and we see our Raiders in victory formation, counting down the final seconds.
For a minute there I thought the two teams had switched uniforms!

10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Well, unfortunately we are starting the most brutal part of the schedule... but hopefully this will give the offense some well needed confidence so we can remain competitive in every game.

The o-line deserves a game ball... KC really wasn't that bad against the run this season.

Beating Denver and KC back to back would make this season much less disastrous, and give Kiffin some more clout with "two more rings" Al.

Now if we can only find a DC that isn't too scared to call anything besides a base defense 95% of the time. Watching Philly tonight is HOW YOU ATTACK AN OFFENSE... pay attention SOB.

10:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

If you take away the 61 yards rushing on their first TD drive, we held them under 100 yards the rest of the day. It's not like our run D is totally bad, they're just bad in streaks. We’re one bad streak (avoidance) away from having a solid run D game.

Morrison is solid in run D, making the 4th down stop and occasionally making tackles behind the line, but needs to be given more opportunity to play aggressively against the run.

Porter can be as streaky as our run D, and needs to put another solid game on the field, preferably against the Donkeys this week.

Check out Zach Miller’s block that sprung Fargas to end the game ( It’s no surprise that we had more success running the ball to the right side. Three names come to mind (from the left side): Sims, Gallery... and the Chefs top DL player, Jared Allen. Although, I give our entire O-line credit for not having their names called by officials yesterday (save an early holding call on McNasty). That in itself was huge!

Will this be the impetus for more good things to come?!!

5:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raiders Win Haiku:

Long lost friend returns
Sharing memories of old
Sparking hope again

warren sapp seemed surprised that the chiefs did not go for a field goal. herm may have given us the game with that call, but his kicker did miss a 30 yarder pretty badly. so by all rights, it should have been a game winning field goal attempt. but because he had missed from 30, herm got itchy with a 41 yard game tying field goal attempt, and decided to go for it.
i was surprised he didn't go "play-action-pass" there. he could have had a touchdown with that call. the raiders couldn't stop smith all day, until it mattered most. and look what they did to do it, man coverage on the corners, and a read-the-gap zone for the line and safeties; which gave morrison and howard. i hope ryan utilizes that scheme more, starting next week.
i'll take this "w" regardless if you feel like "herm gave it to us". i personally feel the raiders defense was going to give it away again, and they called the right scheme at the right time, regardless of what smith had done all day; we stopped him when it mattered. a "w" is a "w."

6:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there and it was awesome! This game is always my regular season superbowl and for once I have a reason to celebrate. I saw a lot of silver & black in the stands along with a lot of empty seats (suck on that Peterson!). I haven't had the chance to set my eyes on the Raiders since I left CA almost three years ago, so it was a treat to see the silver & black on the field in person. O line played well and the Offense in general had very few miscues. Porter even stood in and took a couple of hard shots. I thought the D was going to give it up in the fourth but they stood strong and stopped the Chefs on the fourth and one. My favorite moment of the game was after the two minute when Fargus ran 21 yards on the third and 11 to seal the game. Chef fan, in unison, got up and started filing out of the stadium. What a beautiful site! Go home bandwagon Chef fan!

6:14 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

What's the posibilities with 5 games left....we are one game behind KC and 2 games behind the Donko' second place is still a posibility....but we can't catch SD who have a 3 game lead so no play-off posibility even if we have turned the corner and play well the rest of the year...but I would settle for being #2 in the AFCW after the last few seasons of here is to hoping we play out the rest of the season with more victories than losses....and the dream finish would be 8-8 with lots of hope for next year....


Not much hope for that....

PantyRaider....GOOOOOO Raiders!!!!

6:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great win. Nice to see the handcuffs come off. Anybody miss Stu?

6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY with you on Miller.
He had one play where he was run over on a block. Other than that he really blocked well. My guess is he will learn from the fumble. Plus he's a rookie.
I liked McQuistan's game. Again a break on the penalty. It's what, his third game? He got after people.

Fargas is slippery. Rewatching the game he does not need the line to hold blocks long, more like screens and he gets through.

Looking around the league I could pull my hair out. 12 teams have 5 or 6 wins and are still talking playoffs. It's crazy.

If they would have won the games we all expected them to win....

Hey Panty!

6:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This next game is big. Denver is the only remaining opponent who is considered "beatable". Unless you count the Chargers, who are looking much better and will be playoff hungry. Barring any miracles this is our one chance to at least reach 4 wins.

I know it's wrong to draft a DE but if I had Chris Long on my board I'd just take him. I'm secretly hoping he gets picked before us so we can do the right thing and draft some offense. Every win we get will help my cause. Man, getting Chris Long would really be great though.


7:41 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Game ball - Justin Fargas. In case you guys don't know, we have not had a running back gain 100 yards in KC since 1978! That includes Van Eagan, Allen, Jackson, Kaufman, Wheatley, Jordan... Nobody but Fargas, baby, since 1978.

Re-evaluate whether you think Fargas can be the starter. But starter or not, we should hang on to Fargas like the Holy Grail. At the very least he is the Raider version of Paul Hofer and an inspiration to this team.

8:51 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Add O-line, and especially Sims. Com'on guys, give credit where credit is due. Not one penalty flag thrown at Sims, and he kept Allen missing in action.

And one more thing, time. In the 4th quarter Culpepper STOOD, in the pocket. Read that again, he "STOOD in the pocket." In other words, he didn't have to run away from a colapsing pocket.

A Herm Edwards team always has a stout run defense. The KC has been good against the run this year. But the o-line gave Fargas creases, and protected Culpepper's backside.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FS Sean Taylor was shot in a home invasion and could die. Crazy stuff.


9:06 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider Nate 75 - Kiffin admitted they employed their goal-line defense on 4th down plays (which didn’t work on the 1st one, but worked when it counted). And I agree that a play-action pass could have been trouble for us.

Psycho - Chris Long is the right pick for us. With our new blocking scheme, we don’t need to draft lineman early... Denver never seems to. And while we need a WR (an obvious early pick), Long is our guy! It’s his destiny to become a Raider.

9:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, with our run D as bad as it is, it won't take much effort for you to convince me that Long is the right pick.

If we can get our offensive "play makers" to consistantly put together games like Sunday maybe we don't need to address RB or WR in round #1 and Long will make more sense. Lots of good OT's in this draft so maybe one will slip to round #2. It really does seem like it is our destiny to get Long.


9:37 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Kawakami (son of Nancy Gay) reports... on the Raiders first victory ever. Don't expect him to remember as far back as 2002. He's only six.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many coaches has Fargas played for before Kiffin?

Interesting info on the 100 yd game in kc. I thought Howie Willaims had a good game in kc back in the day?

Thanks for the link but I refuse to read kawaski or his mother's columns.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was that masked man who hurdled the line on the Chef field goal that sailed wide left.

That had to be distracting to see someone that high in the air while trying to make a kick.

After a rough start Jano is up to almost 80% for the year including 5of 9 from 50 plus.

Fargas is on pace for 1000 plus yards. Throw in receiving and he is almost there now.

Our four game closing run is a killer, GB, Indy, Jacksonville and the Turneretts. Maybe we can pull and upset in one there.

As for Chris Long. There are three DL's out there that would be solid. Since I live in SEC/ACC country it is my point of reference. Long, Glenn Dorsey and Wallace Gilberry. Long and Dorsey are All Americans. Gilberry plays DE on a 3-4 but moves inside when they use a 4 down formation.

Gilberry is a hard worker with good technique and plays the run and pass equally well. He might fall to the second round and if he does he won't last long. Gilberry and Long are a little light to play tackle, but Dorsey is ready to go on the inside if his knee is back to 100%.

On the OL, I would go free agency if there are some decent tackles available and try and get one of the three above.

By the way,McQuistan had a couple of false starts, but seemed to block better than Green was doing. He got blown up on one of the sacks, but his run blocking was fairly good.


10:44 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Seems to me, Fargas got here in Callahan's second season. So he's played for Callahan (who just got fired in Nebraska), Turner and Shell before Kiffin. Kiffin was one of his college coaches.

You have got to love Fargas. "Never quit" tatooed on his shoulder, nick-named "Crash Test Dummy," and those legs keep churning until the whistle blows. The players around him call him an inspiration. Huggy Bear, Jr. is a Raider!

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of positives on Fargas. So far he has answered the question of can he handle the load. He shows no signs of slowing down, getting tired, or hurt etc.

He seemingly never fumbles.

If we have another guy like Bush prove to be a better option to start, Fargas has always remained quiet, hard-working, and has kept the "team first" attitude throughout his bench-warming days. A coach's dream. I'm really happy for him. And Kiff is The Man for giving him a legitamate shot.


10:51 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Chris Long is a little light for DT. But so was Howie. We used to switch Howie back and forth between DT and DE. The other side never would know where he was going to line up. And Howie had speed. I remember him chasing down Elway from behind.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was Clemons #58 who jumped over the line. The refs thought for a minute they should throw a flag, it was such a nice leap.


10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plus Chris Long is a little bigger than daddy.

11:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The 2007 draft. While there has been much hand wringing around here, about the Raiders cutting their 3rd Round pick, potentially we've put 5 starters on the field for 2008. JRuss, Bush, Richardson, O'Neil, and Miller. Five starters out of any draft is a gold mine.

11:09 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I agree, Fargas looks and plays like he could be from our 1970s teams. It's not always about speed or even sheer talent; willpower and attitude go a long way toward winning. The guy plays Raider football.

Finally, we've got someone on our offense whose jersey I might buy for my kid (of course, only Jordan jerseys are available at the moment).

11:10 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, let it be said that Kiffin listened, this week, to our very own H! H was saying something the last two weeks about, "I wish they'd play to win, instead of playing not to lose!" Well, H, Kiffin read your words and delivered. In his press conference, he acknowledged playing not to lose in the past, and determined that he'd play to win against KC.

Congratulations, my Silver and Black brother!

11:22 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

As good as Fargas can be, however, I'm still very excited about Bush adding dimension to our running game. That could be quite a tandem, with Bush adding a quality of elusiveness to the more punishing style of Fargas.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

been left for ruined and wrecked
autumn wind picks up the masts
the awake of a ship sloshes ashore

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one win finally
Blanda's giddy cup runneth over
yet again

11:53 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

H - "McQuistan had a couple of false starts..."

I must have missed those. I thought he was just called for a hold. Total recall is difficult at my advancing years. I envy you guys that are able to record the games.

Fargas for president!

12:33 PM  
Blogger RaiderCat said...

With Bush weighing in at 245 lbs., isn't Bush a bit of a bruiser as well? I'd always thought HuggyJR was a head-on slasher-type (???- not sure I can define it either! )

I'm not too familiar with Bush -
I know that he doesn't have "Bo" speed - but I heard that he'd have gone "Top 10" in last year's draft had he not been injured...

12:39 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Yeah, Bush is a bruiser, but I think he has more moves than Fargas. He's 6'2" as well, so it's not like he's a fire hydrant. I love Fargas's game, but when our passing offense struggles and the box gets stacked, I'm not convinced he has the moves to make them pay, at least consistently.

12:48 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

What I love about Fargas' running style is his quickness. He heads toward the line and you see nothing there. You're sure that he'll get hit at the line and stopped for a minimal gain. Then the smallest of creases can open up and he's already through it. No chance of it being closed before he gets there. Beyond the line he refuses to go down, he has to be dragged down. But even when being dragged down, his legs are pumping, getting every extra inch.

Every Raider player should just touch him, hoping that some of that heart will rub off.

1:10 PM  
Blogger RaiderCat said...

You're right. Prior to Victory Lane yesterday (!!), the only thing our opponents needed to do to stop us was stack eight in the box. Tough to block all of them bodies.

I need to see some Bush (clips!) to see if he was "All That" in college. And then pray like the damned that it translates well to the NFL.

BTW... Which team was it recently that went with a "Linebacker Dime Package?" Da Bears? or Titans? THAT was rather embarrassing - "Na-na n'na na - dare you to throw..."

1:12 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Go to, enter search term Michael Bush, then watch the first link that comes up titled "Bush Takes over 2004 Liberty Bowl."

1:43 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Go to, enter search term Michael Bush, then watch the first link that comes up titled "Bush Takes over 2004 Liberty Bowl."

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you repeat that RT? Just kidding.

Sean Taylor update. After being shot in a home invasion, he is still alive but in critical condition. He's now slipped into a coma after surgery.


2:09 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Psycho, I don't know squat about medicine or Taylor's condition, but I do know that sometimes, in severe trauma, a coma is induced to aid recovery. Just saying that the coma might not be a bad sign. Hoping for the best.

2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To me, a coma is the bodies way of repairing itself so yeah you're probably right. Let's just hope he wakes up.


2:24 PM  
Blogger RaiderCat said...

He apparently got shot in the leg, foiling an attempted robbery.

"The 24-year-old [Taylor] was in the intensive care unit at Jackson Memorial Hospital after several hours of surgery. Taylor lost a 'significant' amount of blood because the bullet damaged his femoral artery," said family friend Richard Sharpstein, his former lawyer.

Doctors are worried the blood loss might affect blood flow to the brain.

3:03 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

A couple of thoughts. When we've turned around in the past, both up and down, it has happened against the KC Chefs. It was the two losses in '95 that set the tone for Mike White. It was the heartbreaking loss to the Chefs in the final minute that derailed Joe Bugel; the 2nd season, come from behind finale that set the tone for the successful Gruden system and a 1 point loss in KC that set the pace for its demise under Callahan. No life for Turner, no hope for Shell.

At KC Kiffin decided that it's time for the training wheels to come off of his system, and he put up a W. At his press conference, Kiffin said it will now be up to the players to win or lose under the full on Davis philosophy, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!

And this comes in front of the most difficult part of the 2007 schedule. No hope for the playoffs, but I'd like to if there's a consistent difference.

3:04 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

To show progress late in the season leaves hope for all of us that the Raiders are on the right track... long-term.

None of us really expected a playoff opportunity this year, but we all expected progress. It's not too late.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What gets me amped up is that Kiff seems to have realized that to beat the chefs is important. The past few years it feels like the coaching and the team all kinda treated these games like any other...but they're not! I've hated them @#$%$ &%@# #&*$% $##'s since I was just a little kid...BlandaRocked I think you said last year sometime that you could remember a time when you could actually lose your job for having just one lousy game against KC!!!! We all know it hasn't felt like that for quite some time.


3:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"In case you guys don't know, we have not had a running back gain 100 yards in KC since 1978!" (Blandarocked)

It feels like that long since we've held a KC RB to less than 100 yards in KC. Of course, that trend remains in tact.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still in the best mood ever after that win. And Psycho, I'm with you on bringing Chris Long home to the Nation (I posted so a few days back). But we still have WR needs as well (Porter needs to play like that for the rest of the season for me to think he is a long term answer). Any thoughts on WRs in the draft?

If I remember right when I was growing up, Howeie wouldn't let Chris come to the games in LA because he felt the enviroment was too rough. Thank g*d my dad let me go, cause I'm still a die hard Raider fan. I'll never forget him pointing out number 75 and telling me to keep my binoculors on him. A Howie Long jersey is my preferred game wearing apparel.

And thanks to RT, found the blog a few weeks back, and it makes it much easier to be a fan of the Nation in Raiderfan-less St. Louis.


5:00 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Welcome aboard, Roger! Perhaps we can give you the handle Jolly Roger, in honor of the eye patch? I appreciate you and all who give their takes, your comments, dialogue and analysis keep me informed and inspired, and I know I'm not alone.

5:27 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

My fantasy for the Denver game.

Jano steps on to the field with just enough time to kick a 50+ yarder. As he steps in to the kick, Shanarat ices him with a time-out. But the kick hits the right upright and bounces harmlessly to the field. After the time out, Jano hits it. Perfect.

5:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My fantasy for the Denver game: We're up comfortably with about a minute to go and the Broncos expect us to kneel on it to end the game, but instead we throw deep and get a TD, purposely running up the score so that it boils under Shanny's grill the entire offseason. Then, we're the talk of the NFL in that everyone says it was uncool to do that. People start hating us again because we win and win nasty.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the new Raiders will enter the playoffs, finally??? Just win, Baby!

6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted at work but it did not come through.
I thought Huff played well and gets better each game. Also Eugene fared well considering it's his first start. I don't want to offend all the stu fans. (insert cricket sounds)

Another good point on the fresh blood. Note: O'Neal blocked well all game.
The turn around was the OT game on News Years Day!
May the force be with us again!

What's this weeks game plan?

Also check out Calico Jack's blog for more goosd stuff.

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just flipped past the stealers-fins game and hanging from the second level in one endzone is a huge sign that reads steeler nation. How pathetic.

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for clearing up who leaped over the line. Last night I watched the second half again and zoomed in on the play and it did appear to be 58. Clemmons has come out of nowhere to be an impact player. I hope he's not a one year wonder and can stabilize the final LB spot.


Thanks for the complement. And, yes they did play to win. The evidence was the first down pass to Curry when we were trying to run out the clock. Caught the defense totally flat footed with zero rush and time to throw. They also ran outside with success and hit the tight end with a couple of quick ones.

I feel somewhat exonerated about my complaint. I was listening to Snake Stabler on the internet with his breakdown of Alabama's loss to Auburn. Auburn took D J Hall away and blitzed heavily. He said one of the best ways to slow down the rush in that case and open up the run some more is to go to the tight end. Give them someone else to think about. Alabama lost because the offense didn't adjust where the defense did and kept them in the game.

My point, Kiffin and Ryan for the first time this season made adjustments in game. At least adjustments that worked.

The pressure was there and Croyle was throwing under duress most of the day.

As for Fargas, I hope he keeps the same attitude. He reminds me somewhat of Mark van Egan with speed. He's coming at you with everything he's got.


5:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry H, but Croyle is always throwing under duress....can't make reads and has zero mobility. An NFL team should never lose to a QB/RB duo of Brodie Croyle & Kolby Smith. KC's the 29th ranked offense in the league, and the game was basically a coin toss. At least we're not the worst team in the league. And I agree with NY Raider that I'll save applause for Porter until he backs up a good game with two or three more. Porter is always good for one game a year where people start believing his hype again. The last thing we need is for Big al to gather renewed faith in his scholarship players. Truly the worst thing that can happen to us at this point. That's what scare sme about Fargas. The guy seems totally different than a year or two ago. And Jano's playing well too... just when we were probably close to getting rid of him. Let's see how they all do on Sunday.

6:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Croyle was sacked three times. Now if he has zero mobility he should have been sacked six to eight times. He got away from Burgess at least three times, and was constantly getting out of the pocket because of pressure.

I'm simply pointing out we were getting pressure on the QB for a change, which is a good thing.

Now if we get rid of Jano who do we replace him with, Dave Rayner?

Jano currently leads the league in touchbacks with 19 and with one more field goal he will go over 80%and is 5 of 9 from over fifty yards. 4 of his 5 misses were from over fifty, one of which was over 60 and that one hit the upright and wasn't short.

So, I guess you are still in favor of dumping two of the players who have been coming through for the team the last few games. Who are their replacements?

I get the feeling you only want pro bowl players at each position.

I guess we should dump Shane Lechler too, after all he did punt one into the end zone when he was trying to down it inside the 10. And, least we forget, he had that one that bounced backwards for 10 yards.

We have players that need to be replaced on this team. Right now Fargas and Jano ain't on the list. If they fall on their faces next season, so beit. For now they have earned their roster spots.

I guess I just refuse to go to the half empty syndrome. Especially about a football team. Sunday was fun and we beat the Chefs that's what I'm going to remember most.


7:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's easy to look at Clemons #58 and think he's a LB, since he was converted from LB. But we've only used him as a DE. I've been watching the guy ever since we passed on Q.Moses for him and he has not disappointed at all. He currently leads the Raiders in sacks with 6. He's like the defensive equivalent of Fargas.


7:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H... you're just still pissed about Auburn sacking Croyle ten times in 2005. Please tell me Wesley Britt was not the LT in that game, cuz he is currently #2 on the Patties depth chart at LT. Please tell me Britt was gone then.
I'm a winner baby. This team's gotta show aa whole hell of lot more than 1 win before I get giddy about anything. And yes, I'd dump Jano just to make a statement. the statement: You have not earned your money over the years... you have not lived up to 1st round expectations. You were expected to be the best kicker in the nfl year in and year out and you have not done that. Don't have a good game when we're 3-8 and expect me to get excited.
I have no problem at all with Lechler.

7:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good points, Psycho.
And by the way, watched the game last night and watched Q Moses log his first sack of the year when he dumped Rothelesburger for a three yard loss. Moses now has 1 sack in two games played.

7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stats are for losers so it's only fitting that I throw out a few:

1) Robert Thomas has 43 tackles in only 7 starts, 5th place on the Raiders already.

2) Jano has missed only one FG of less than 50 yards all year, and it was a long one from dirt I believe.

3) We get sacked an average of 1.8 times per game, as opposed to 4.5 times per game last year. And we have more wins.

4) We're still 4th in passing D, and 5th in rushing O.

5) Amazingly, there are 3 teams with more penalties.

6) We're 5th best in Time of Pos.


8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my thoughts and prayers for the family of sean taylor. WOW, how tragic!

8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H - the thing about janikowski is you never know which janikowski is gonna show up. yeah he's on a roll at the moment, but still - he cost us at least 2 games at the beginning of the year. he's a 1st round pick. he should be automatic every time he goes out there. i for one don't give a damn about touchbacks. those don't score points. for a kicker, accuracy is my #1 priority. i hate having to close my eyes when he lines up for a kick!

8:56 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...


Apparently you've forgotten about the Raiders before Jano. Teams routinely started their drives at the 35, 40, or even mid field. So, yeah, touchbacks are important to me. And Jano did not lose us two games. He didn't lose us any this year. He's missed one kick this year that an NFL kicker should make. Otherwise he's been stellar. But I grant you, from year to year he's been inconsistent. But I think that inconsistency, primarily, has been caused by coaching. Kiffin is the first coach he's experienced who just says, "go out and kick the hell out of it."


1) Kiffin has already stated that Thomas has won that job. Even though Williams his healthy again, Thomas has been too good to sit down.

2) See my comment to Scorpio above.

3) I think the sacks are down because both QBs are an upgrade in mobility from last year. Walter is a statue, McCown is more mobile than Brooks, and Culpepper is almost as mobile as Brooks.

4) Kiffin has been careful to establish these things as "things we do well and can always count on." It is notable that we weren't good at either last season. Last year our running D was our strength (because teams hardly ever saw the need to pass), and on offense, we weren't good at anything.

5) I'm not prepared for the world to end. The RAIDERS not 32nd in penalties? Surely the first sign of the apocalypse.

6) I have a feeling, since Kiffin has rediscovered the passing game, that might even out.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

blanda, you're just trying to justify al's pick.

sure he "didn't lose us games" but what i meant was he had a hand in those 2 or 3 early losses. by missing all those field goals early on, he left valuable points on the field. so he DID contribute to the losses.

9:31 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I know, Scorpio. It's Al's fault. (sigh)

9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also Blanda, I wouldn't think coaching changes would affect a Kicker. I just can'y buy that one, my friend.

9:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, but Kiffin's approach was to NOT change the kicker. He let him be, and it's working. Unlike previous coaches.


9:48 AM  
Blogger RaiderCat said...

"...i for one don't give a damn about touchbacks. those don't score points..."
- scorpio

No, but the touchbacks can deter points, and gravely affect field position.

Although it's difficult to justify having given up a first-round pick in 2000, we lost ALL EIGHT games in '99 by seven or fewer points, four of them by a field goal or less! That season Michael Husted went 20 out of 31 (64.5%), while Joe Nedney improved that to 5 of 7 for a whopping 71.4%! And I'm not really a "stat" guy....

OK, we missed out on Shaun Alexander. I just think it's time to come to grips with it and accept SeaBass - after all, he's OUR #1 Kicker... and doin' pretty well this season.

9:48 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7? Really? You can't buy that kickers are coached to do certain things? Have you ever actually been to a special teams practice session, even in high school? Not even kickers are born in a vacuum, Bama7.

9:50 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Let's go over the coaching history of Jano.

1. Gruden asked Jano to always kick the ball away from the return man, and asked him to slow down his movement to the ball.

2. Callahan followed Gruden's thinking. As a result of both Gruden and Callahan, during those years, Jano rarely hit a touchback.

3. Turner pretty much left Jano alone, and nobody payed much attention to him. He wasn't the problem nor part of the solution.

4. Under Shell and Dasher, Jano was asked to squib the ball a lot, because Shell had no faith in return coverage. Dasher also messed with Jano's FG kicking motion in an attempt to find more accuracy in Jano's kicks.

Now, most of the fuss over Jano was reguarding his kick offs, but the two are linked in form so that, very often, a team will have a different specialist perform kick offs than FGs.

Kiffin has said that he has pretty much just left Jano alone. I believe part of the reason they decided to kick to Hester was because they didn't want to mess with Jano's motion in order to get him to kick the ball away from Hester.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we were all once complaining about Jano's inability to get the ball into the endzone on kickoffs at one time.

I believe it was said that was one of the reasons he was drafted. On a touchback, that is one less return with the possibility of the returner breaking one or a penalty on the coverage team. It's harder to score from the 20 than it is from the 40.

Actually Bama, I wasn't ticked about the 12 sacks. I was more ticked about the defensive letdown in the first quarter of that game. Alabama actually outplayed Auburn quarters 2-4, but were already down three touchdowns if memory serves.

As for coaching changes, Gruden was always tinkering with Jano's approach and wanting him to slow down. Others had him kicking high to give the coverage teams time to get down field, returners were getting the ball on the fly at the 15 and consistantly getting to the 30-35 yard line.

And, go ahead and dump Jano, make your statement, but who is out there that's better? You don't make a statement by bringing in someone worse. Especially when the guy is busting his ass for you.

Jano didn't cost two games. In the Mule game the second snap was bad and Lechler had to rush the setup.

As for being giddy over one win. Why not? Especially the Chefs at KC. We fell behind, but in the fourth quarter went 77 yards in 3 plays using Miller, Porter then Fargas. Then ran out the clock.

Plus, I finally saw some of the things I've been looking for since August.

Now, the Mules are opening as a 3 1/2 point favorite. In the last game it was McCowan/Jordan. Let's see how Culpepper/Fargas does.


Yeah, it's Al's fault so I guess we will have to dump Fargas and make a statement.


10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, H it IS Al's fault:
A few 2006 nfl salaries:
Jano $1,100,000
Jamal Williams DT Chargers: $750,000
Lorenzo Neal FB Chargers: $810,000

do you get it?

and that's not even going into whatever jano's nauseating 1st rd signing bonus was.
So I think that's the point people like Blanda miss about Jano... fu*& touchbacks, and fu*& his ocassional FG... give me REAL football players for my money.

10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, H it IS Al's fault:
A few 2006 nfl salaries:
Jano $1,100,000
Jamal Williams DT Chargers: $750,000
Lorenzo Neal FB Chargers: $810,000

do you get it?

and that's not even going into whatever jano's nauseating 1st rd signing bonus was.
So I think that's the point people like Blanda miss about Jano...give me REAL football players for my money.

10:47 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, Jano must be picked on because he's the only player we are absolutely certain that Al picked. And it's not even that Gruden didn't want him just as badly. It's just that Gruden thought he'd still be available in the 2nd round. And Gruden wouldn't have used the first pick on Alexander because we weren't looking for RBs that season. We were still going with "thunder and lighning" (Wheatley and Kaufman). When Kaufman retired the following season, we picked up Garner.

So in order to keep up the "Al Davis is the devil" meme, we have to place our foot squarely on Jano's neck, and brand him a failure forever no matter how well he's doing. We ignore that he's hit more FGs than anybody in Raider history. Blanda included.

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Fargas is doing well now so he can't be Al's pick anymore. Especially if he is now a real football player.


11:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, and of course JRuss was Kiffin's pick, which is why he's not playing. Al's jealous and won't allow that to happen. And especially Sims was Al's pick, even though he came in as an undrafted free agent.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, you're wrong. Sims is a Gruden pick this week because he had a good game. But usually he's an Al pick.

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a minute, Kiffin and Fargas were at USC at the same time, so Fargas must be a Kiffin pick.


12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in. Jano's 19 touchbacks are not due to his training. It's a result of global warming. I guess we'll have to dump him for a more environmentally friendly kicker.

Don't believe me check this:


12:44 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, I've been told tha global warming doesn't exist. All you have to do is listen to the oil company CEOs to know that. But if it did exist, Al Davis picked it.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well blanda - we DO agree on something. global warming doesn't exist but if it did, al caused it!

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al is probably older than the internal combustion engine, and maybe even coal burning. So you guys might be onto something. He may have contributed more to global warming than any other human. Also, immagine how much gas has come out of his own ass.


1:28 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Nice of Janikowski to finally get in shape, considering the million-dollar salary, first-round status and several months off each winter.

1:41 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Just because I'm getting so f'ing sick and tired of hearing people gripe about Jano, here's the reality.

Of the Raiders top four kickers:

Blanda hit 65% in his career for the Raiders.

Chris Barr hit 65%.

Jeff Jaeger hit 75%.

Seabass hit 79%.

Of all of the extra points attempted, Seabass has missed two in his entire career, vastly eclipsing the others.

None of the others produced anywhere near the number of touchbacks, and Jano is the biggest scorer of them all.

Now you can argue all day whether he was worth a 1st round pick, but he is the best kicker the Raiders have had in their history - bar none.

Now I can understand folks getting a wee bit cranky with all the losing over the last several years. But it ain't Jano's fault, and don't rewrite history.

2:08 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Too bad I didn't send him a copy of the Atkins Diet for Christmas four years ago, he'd probably be 88 percent.

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When some one says "special teams is 1/3 the game" most will nod in agreement. It is actually more important as it determines field position more than any other aspect of the game.
The kicking team actually has the ability to set that field position with good kickers.
Touchbacks are enormous.
There is also a direct correllation between scoring and the yard line you start your drive on.

If I remember correctly two years ago? Jano was headed to the pro bowl but missed a couple vs tennessee I think and that ended that.
Gruden said he put on an "orbital display" at the combine. That and his college career were pretty compelling at the time.
Should he have been a first rounder?
It's too late now but I'll let you guys fight about it.

2:17 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...


The only way Jano can be considered average by this crowd is if he's perfect. And if he was perfect, as Al Davis' 1st round pick, having a tendency for being over weight would be enough to send him back to Poland.

Take, name one kicker in history with more than five years in the league with an 88% average. Or is 88% what it takes to justify a first round pick? Well that, my friend, is a done deal. No matter how long or how well Jano is trashed, it doesn't get us that pick back.

Well... I don't know... Maybe if we all hold our breath 'til we turn blue.

2:32 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

It was just a joke!

I'm not a Janikowski basher, but if we want to do some detective work on why some folks are down on him, we should probably start with this:

"Janikowski hadn't paid off much for the Raiders over the last two seasons. After signing a five-year extension worth a reported $10.5 million following the 2004 season, Janikowski made just 38 of 55 field-goal attempts and had the lowest success rate among all NFL kickers from 2005-06."

By his own admission, he'd gotten too fat (up to 280 pounds), even though he had enough money to hire his own 24-hour chef, personal trainer and masseuse.

So while I'm not a basher, I can understand the ill feelings for a guy who made himself a sort of poster child for the 2005-2006 seasons.

I'm just glad he's turning it back around.

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blanda/H- Al's not even responsible for our awful record since Gruden left, huh? I know... go ahead and send your next post that tells us all how we are really 70-5 over the last 5 seasons... you know, really enjoy your delusions.
H- I can understand why you like Al's moves.. hiring ex players, clinging to tradition etc etc. It's the same problem you boys have down at Bama... Perkins, Stallings (I now he was A&M, but he played with BEAR) Dubose, Shula... blah blah blah. There's a reason y'all lost to Louisiana Monroe and it's the same damn problem Oakland had/has... Biletnekoff, Shell, W Brown, scouts that are ex players, old schemes... blah blah blah.
Here's hoping Kiffen and others take the reigns completely.
Back to you Blanda... jano is been painfully average and selecting him in the first round should be enough to get any executive fired... except the might Al. But according to you Blanda, our ROI is excellent here, with our 79%-on first round draft pick. We did great! A great use of the salary cap! And boy does the rest of the league fear Jano... and boy I bet every other team in the nfl is kicking themsleves that they didn't pay Jano a 1st rd signing bonus.
If I was your boss Blanda, I'd take your latest data (2:08 pm) and choose 65% Bahr and use the savings on cutting Jano to bring in Shawn Philips LB for the Dolts who made $425,000 last year. Thanks for the stats.

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

blanda....I love you man.
You pretty much saved me multiple postes.

Jano is as close to a football player as you're going to get out of a kicker (except for Blanda of course).

I can only remember him missing one tackle when he was the last person to beat (anyone know how many TD's have been scored against him?). And even though he was a bit heavy, he always had pretty good husstle.

If you had to pick one kicker to hit by, it wouldn't be Jano.

If Bama and H can russtle up a some Jim's (Thorps, Ottos, Browns, the're all good), maybe we can field a roster.

It would be funny as hell if we actually won the West this year :-)

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Blanda, your argument that Al wouldn't draft a position he didn't need (2000 Alexander, RB) makes little sense when you consider how many DB's he's drafted or brought in as FA over the years. Al's love of the CB is borderline psychotic.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Looking at FG %'s here... of 35 kickers listed with a FG %, 24 of them have a higher FG made % than our boy Jano? Is that right? Surely that can't be right. Blanda, please tell me why he is really better than what shows here. Save someone else a post on defending Jano.
And to anon 3:01 (actiually Blanda posting anonymously) that thinks jano is a great "cover" player on returns. can jano's fatass actually catch anyone or get in position to hit someone? You have to be kidding me. I she known for nailing runners and making stops. Huh?

3:19 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7, show me your evidence that Al personnally selected the DBs. In case you've forgotten (and you likely have because you can't remember anything beyond a game or two ago) I don't buy into your theory that Al personally makes every pick. And don't dig up articles by Kawakami and Gay to show me how wrong I am. I don't consider that those two have an entire brain between them.

That Al insists on some picks, I don't doubt. But so does every other owner who plays an active part in their organization. He does, after all, write the checks.

In case you didn't notice, those DBs were selected in Gruden/Callahan years. When those coaches were gone, we only selected DBs as they were needed. Or did you forget already that we NEEDED Michael Huff? Gibson (drafted when Gruden was coach) was peachy for you? Of course Davis said he preferred Leinart. You might buy that now that Huff is coming along, and Leinart tended toward bust this season. But that's just a little written recent history that should be forgotten, because it interferes with trashing Davis.

Bama7, you have a singular lack of memory for history (recent and otherwise), and your reason and logic seriously suffer the consequences. Here's a clue. Examine history with the use of reason and logic, don't rewrite history so that it will fit your fantasies.

3:28 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Sorry, Bama7, that doesn't work for me. Show me how many of those kickers regularly kicked from beyond 50 yards. Show me one that can even possibly come close to a 64 yarder. Show me the touchback stats and starting field positions.

Bama7, you do a hell of job talking half a game. Take everything into account.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought we were discussing Jano? Perhaps you posted after my last one... or perhaps it was another skillfull Blanda move... ignore the lousy showing Jano has amongst his fellow nfl kickers, after earlier touting his 79% average (?)
Your honor, the prosecution rests...

3:37 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And, Bama...

"And to anon 3:01 (actiually Blanda posting anonymously) that thinks jano is a great "cover" player on returns. can jano's fatass actually catch anyone or get in position to hit someone? You have to be kidding me. I she known for nailing runners and making stops. Huh?"

Yes. He's been compared to a linebacker. I concede Take's point, because Jano go lazy during '05 an '06, but even with that he's the best (statistically) in Raider history.

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn! Double farts snoop dog!
Now I gotta go show Blanda that jano sucks all around, not at just FG %!!!

3:39 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And that crack about posting my own support is typical of you, Bama7. Same sort of BS you use on Jano, Davis, et al.

3:41 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Hey Bama-

You ever think about writing your own blog?


You haven't written a blog since Sept. 24, what's up with that?

Then you two could really duke it out as viewpoints in perfect opposition.

4:53 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Yeah, how about a shared blog, in the spirit of Hannity and Colmes, or Pardon The Interruption. We could call it State of The Nation brought to you by Blanda and Bama.

Or if you don't want to create an uber blog, how about a sound off here at Raider Take? That would be cool. Let me know.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah like they have in Silver and Black Illustrated where they ask the same question to two diffferent writers. Lucky it's the internet or else RT would need a metal detector for these two!

6:29 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

SeaBass has had an up & down career by most measuring sticks. SeaBass has done well this year with his FGs & kickoffs which I applaud. My views on SeaBass, kickers, and other related thoughts:

To me the "Mendoza Line" for kickers is 75%. A good kicker converts at least 75% of his attempts. If you look at SeaBass' 8 years of kicking, it breaks down to 5 good seasons & 3 below average seasons.

Good Seasons:
2001 > 82.1%
2002 > 78.8%
2003 > 88.0%
2004 > 89.3%
2007 > 79.2%

Bad Seasons:
2000 > 68.8%
2005 > 66.7%
2006 > 72.0%

IMHO, there is no point in belaboring the point that SeaBass was a "wasted 1st round pick". What's done is done.

Based on SeaBass 8 year track record, he definitely can not be considered an elite kicker although he has always had the potential to be an elite kicker.

In the past, SeaBass has been too inconsistent with his mechanics, mental approach, physical conditioning, his past substance abuse problem, etc.

The good news is that SeaBass has an opportunity to perform at a high level for the next 6 to 8+ years if he remains focused at his career. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that SeaBass won't be able to kick in his late 30's or early 40's.

There is no doubt in my mind that SeaBass will break the record for the longest FG well before he hangs up his spikes.

6:41 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Awesome take, thanks Calico Jack!

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Stallings won an average of 10 games a year (including bowls), beat Spurrier in the first SEC Championship Game, and a National Championship in '93 over Miami. Yeah, that was a really bad idea hiring one of Bear's Junction Boys.

That doesn't even get into that Ken Stabler guy. I think he played for Bear and beat Fran Tarkenton in SB-11.

Sorry, guys. This is a Raider site, but I had my fanhood challanged.

As for Jano, he's here, he's the best thing we have, there's no one better on the open market. One foot to the left and he would own the NFL record for the longest field goal. Because of him they will probably move the kickoff to the 25 next year.

As for Nedney, who was on the team at the time, he's bounced around the league like a pinball.

Bottom line for me is I'm more interested in what this latest draft class does, not re-hashing what happened in the first round in 2000.


7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care what any of the Al-haters say.. I hope Jano retires as a Raider. He might end up as one of the better kickers in NFL history simply because he isn't a little gimp like most, and his mechanics are so good. He might have ten good/great years left in him.

With his new-found fitness (anyone that has seen him play in person the last two years should be startled by the difference) he could be just now getting his act together. His best years could be ahead of him... please Al... for the LOVE OF GAWD... do NOT listen to the throngs of Raider kneejerkers for once in your life!

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Bama had his own blog... I have the name for it IAAF*. (Its All Al's Fault)

Then instead of actual words, he could just number his whines and post the numbers over and over again:

1. Al shoulda drafted Shawn Alexander (even though we were first in the NFL in rushing that year.)

2. Picking Jano in the first round was maniacal.

3. Everything good this decade was because of Gruden (except for the bad things while he was coaching) and everything bad since Gruden is Al's fault (except for the good things.)

4. Al is senile and has no clue what he is doing.

Etc etc etc...

*Stolen from current posts at the Raider newsgroup.

8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...oh btw... to whomever it was that said Jano lost us two games, he has also won us two, and kept us in at least two others.

Our kicking game is one of our few consistent STRENGTHS this year for gawdsakes.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Sorry to break up the Jano debate, but we all know he's a solid kicker anyway. :)

READ THIS from !!

I don't know how much truth there is to this but it scares the hell out of me. According to this, Kiffin may be unhappy and looking at a college job. I'm going to keep my true thoughts to myself until I know more. I don't want to rush to judgement and possibly jump on the Bama vs. Al Davis bandwagon or anything.

But I will say this; by all accounts Kiffin has been more open and willing to work for Al Davis than any other coach in recent history. And if he finds the job to be an impossible situation, then we're in big trouble my friends.

Bama, I guess this is where you take it and run with it. I feel like Einstein when he unintentionally gave the world the A-Bomb.


6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I somehow end up duking it out with Blanda all the time, but I mean no ill will. I respect & like everyone on the board. I enjoy everyone's posts. With that said... H, Gary, Blanda... you can all kiss my ass. Jano sux. :)
Calico did a great summary on the Jano debate.
Question: When is Jano's contract up? Good to see Jano's finally getting it together now, but is he up for a new contract soon?

H: Stallings was great and the tide was feared when he was at the helm... but of course y'all ran him off because he didn't win ENOUGH national championships.

6:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Psycho, get the match away from that fuse! Too late, it's lit.
Seriously, if Kiffen were to quit after this year or next, would the Al lovers finally admit the man has a serious problem with interfering with his head coaches?

6:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF Kiffin quits after one year, and the key word here is IF... I will agree with the Al-haters. Al is a grease-fire of an owner.

But the moron that wrote the article said "Kiffin MIGHT be unhappy with the Raiders." WTF does that mean? I might become a millionaire someday. I might date a bisexual nympho supermodel next year.

Kiffin might be interested in a college gg before HIS THREE YEAR CONTRACT is up. BFD.. I can't imagine how much money they would have to pay Al to get him out of his contract... I'd assume tens of millions of dollars... they don't have any draft picks.

6:49 AM  
Blogger Storminator said...

If you look at Jano's kicks by range, he's missed one kick under 49 yards, and 4 kicks over 50 yards. And he's attempted (and made) more kicks over 50 yards than any other kicker.

He's had no kicks under 20 yards, and he ranks 18th in number of kicks in the 20-29 and 30-39 categories, while being tied for 1st in percent.

If we sort by percentage of kicks under 50 yards, he's a top 3 kicker. If we sort by percentage of kicks over 50 yards, he's a top 5 kicker.


6:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with Gary on the Kiffin thing, Bama. IF there is truth to this then I will look at Al in a different light. IF Kiffin is having difficulties, and Al is too stubborn to make ammends and give the guy what he needs to get the job done, then I'll probably start calling for his head.

We could have a situation where Kiffin is stuck in something he's not happy with. If so they'll try to cover it up and smile for the cameras, so once again we'll have to guess what's really going on, and probably fight over it the whole off-season. :)

This article is certainly scary just in the fact that it talks about Kiffin leaving. Let's cross our fingers that it's just more mediotic behavior though.

It does seem like just speculation and the "source" doesn't seem too confident. The "source" close to the situation said "Kiffin could be a good fit", but also said "Kiffin has wanted to coach at the college level". Then the author added "there is talk that he MIGHT be unhappy", and a few other vague comments that seem to be twisting it into the direction of Kiffin being unhappy with Al.

Hopefully Kiffin clears the air.


7:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every year this time the rumors start. Gruden has been rumored for every coaching job from Notre Dame to Florida in the past even after he went to Tampa.

Pete Caroll has been rumored to be wanting back in the NFL. Les Miles is supposed to covet the Michigan job.

If it happens, it happens. But I put very little stock in these things since they are probably 80-90% inaccurate.

College coaching has gotten as bad or worse than the NFL. Chan Gailey had no wrose than a 7-5 record and played in the ACC Championship game last season. He was fired.

So, it ain't just Al, its every owner/administration.


7:34 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

May, Might and Could have become increasingly standard fare in journalism, with sports journalism being among the worst offenders.

Lane Kiffin might get abducted by aliens. Al Davis could be Eddie DeBartolo's pen pal. The Raiders may move to Fresno.

It's just too easy. Gone are the days when you didn't run with something until you'd confirmed it with at least two reliable sources. These days, one unreliable source is enough, and the editors are asleep at the wheel.

So while this Kiffin story could be true, it might not be true, based on recent history of stories that may or may not be legitimate.

8:44 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H is right. Note the geography of the article. It's from Arkansa. This is just their version of Tim Kawakami speculating on potential coaches for the Razorbacks with no knowledge what-so-ever regarding Kiffin and his relation to the team.

Folks should note that Al, in the past, has only given 2 year contracts to first time Raider coaches. I think even Art Shell only got a two year contract. Davis presented Kiffin with a three year contract. I think that 3 year contract is largely the result of Kiffin convincing Davis that rebuilding this team will likely take that long.

Take ask the question earlier if our battle cry going into this season was "Wait unitl next year!" While coaches and ownership would never make such a statement to the general public, I think the answer to Take's question is, "Yes."

Watching the Raiders play this season (up until this last Sunday) and listening to Kiffin talk, it seems to me that Kiffin has been spending this year attempting to accomplish TWO things, unconcerned by whether or not the Raiders win. He is building a sound foundation to his offensive system (by hammering basics play after play during games) and testing the season long stamina and tenacity of the players he's been handed.

This past weekend he made a special point of saying that Sunday they took the training wheels off and said they will no longer play conservative, but give the players the plays which (if they execute) will allow them to win. He said they will no longer wait for the other team to make a mistake, they will attack.

These last five games will be the pre season to the next off season.

Note: I hope everyone here understands that I love the debate and harbor NO ill will toward anyone I argue with. I appreciate Bama7 because he has the tendency to pull thoughts out of me which I wouldn't comment on otherwise. I've argued with about everyone here, at some point, and I've loved doing it.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What gives man!

Last year nobody knew who Lane Kiffin was not even "the senile bastard" now with a 3 and 8 record everybody wants him, the Raiders, the fans and his owner better get on their knees because he is going to skip town and leave the team because he doesn't get along with "the senile bastard"

Why is it that if Al Davis gives anybody and interview for any type of position he suddenly becomes a hot commodity and Al screws it all up by not giving him all his stake on the team.

Al, Al, Al,Al, Al, Al, AL, Al, when is he going to learn!


9:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The thing that kills me is that now we're going to continually get the questions at press conferences about the "rumors" (press invented and perpetuated) that Kiffin is leaving. He'll say he has no plans to go anywhere until he's completed the job he came to do. Then the press will say he's lying and he just can't work with the senile old bastard. And then the genie will be out of the bottle.

Through the rest of Kiffin's contract we will get Kawakami and Gay insisting that Kiffin is leaving any minute because he can't stand working with "the senile old bastard." And picking up from these idiots, the national press will always refer to "the rumors that Kiffin is leaving."

Take is right. I guess we shouldn't blame the congenitally stupid, we should blame the lazy editors.

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if the writer took the time to think that the Ark. regents might not be too happy paying 10's of millions of dollars to buy out a contract of an unproven young coach with a whopping three wins under his belt and his offense near the bottom of the league?

There's irresponsible journalism and THEN THERE IS THIS! This is the last thing that Kiffin needs to put up with. What an asshole.

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Arkansas better be careful. Remember Bill Callahan took the Raiders to the Super Bowl.

Nebraska hired him based on that even though it was rumored he over complicated the playbook to a point no one could understad it. Look how that turned out. It may take Nebraska years to recover.

Now, if Kiffin jumps ship, what does that say about him keeping his word to the players who say they have bought in to what he is trying to accomplish?

Coaches have to rely on players and players on coaches.

Now, the worse thing Kiffin could do is to try and get a raise based on the current rumors like Gruden's agent did. Especially at 3-8.

Additonal note:

The league office has not released its decision on Travis Henry from the November 16th meeting. Which means he is available this weekend and would not begin his one year suspension before next week.


10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, did you guys hear the Raiders may be moving to Fresno?!? Someone e-mail Nancy Gay!

Oh and Kiffin might have been abducted by aliens because I haven't seen him yet today.


10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kiffin might be an alien!
Kiff isn't going anywhere.

I believe this team is a big chip on a young mans shoulders, and I don't see any quit in Kiff.
Pain, yes. Quit, no.

That wasn't Blanda who brought up the Jano/LB comparison, that was me. I used to have a login of 'BamaRaider', but Bama7 is such a fixture on here, I quit using that tag.

10:16 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

That would make you, "The Blogger
Formerly Known As BamaRaider."

Old joke for Prince fans.

BamaRaider, huh? Two posters from Bama. Are you sure you're not Bama7 posting as "The Blogger Formerly Known as BamaRaider?"

11:00 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I think anyone watching the Raiders play over the last 4.5 years understands that it's not just that the Raiders have been coached badly, and played badly, it's that all the luck seems to be drained out of them. For instance, last season, recovering a fumble which would have won the game against SD, but instead it was called an illegal pass.

Every time we cut the deck, looking for an ace, we get a 3 of clubs. The especially bad part about it has been watching the Raider haters smugly sit there and say, "I told you so."

After the KC game I began to get the feeling that was changing, finally. More proof from

"The Broncos kicked to Hester because the Raiders kicked to Hester.

"There's still a high degree of animosity between these two franchises. Shanahan coached the Raiders in the 1980s, and was abruptly fired during the 1989 season. Former Raiders de facto G.M. Mike Lombardi now works for the Broncos for free as he tries to get back by Oakland for the 2007 season. And it's believed that the Raiders are squatting on running backs LaMont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes in part because owner Al Davis doesn't want either of them to land in Denver.

"So when Raiders coach Lane Kiffin decided to kick to Hester earlier this month and it worked (even though the Bears won the game), there was no way that Shanahan and the Broncos were going to avoid him."

And for those who don't know... Hester scored two touchdowns. One on a kick off and one on a punt. BWAAH, HA, HA, HA!! (snicker, snicker, chuckle, chuckle)

If we slap down Denver this weekend, the curse is over.

12:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nope, I remember when I first found this place. I kept seeing bama7 and bama raider. I was really confused, as always.

Psycho //(.Y.)\\

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, I'm from Bama too. Moved next door to Georgia a few years back, but kept my Tide allegiance.

My Sunday allegiance has always been the Silver and Black. Even before the Tide and before Stabler.

I chose to post under H. At my age it's easy to remember and spell.

Current local coaching rumor is Arkansas really wants Tubberville from Auburn. And, there are people on the board of regents at Auburn who don't like Tubberville.

So, you see it's all rumor and conjecture, mostly started by people with low self esteem wanting to feel important.

Or, maybe it is aliens after all.


1:02 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

My only connection to "Bama" is that when I played High School football, that was used as the signal to the rest of the defense that someone had intercepted the football. The person who intercepted would shout out, "Bama!" and the rest of the D knew to look for someone to block.

1:55 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here's a little history as seen from the other side of the field.

What it doesn't bother to say is that in their 2nd meeting that year, Oakland beat them in Denver 24-14. The Raiders also would have gone to the SB that year if the refs hadn't blown what turned into a 14 point turn around.

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the worst calls in the history of playoff football. Would've meant 4 SB victories in 7 years for us--quite a dynasty.


3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While we're on the subject of that article BR was it not Atkinson who broke Russ Francis nose in that game against N.E.?


3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I scanned through that article too, Blanda. Perhaps the article mentions it, but didn't Upchurch kill us in that 30-7 loss (return guy for donkeys). Back in those days, living outside of Montgomery AL, most raider games weren't on TV in Alabama (unless it was th eplayoffs or MNF). I'd check out the scores after the games and when I saw 30-7 I just didn't understand how it happened. I also remember waiting for MNF half time so as to watch highlights from all the Sunday games... Cosell provided the color commentary.
Another old memory was the SB win against Minnesota. I had taken a chance and ordered the SB program off TV, before we even knew who would be in the game. I got lucky... Oakland ended up going and won as you all know, and later the program finally came in the mail. I was elated. It had Stabler in a full page color photo that started the Raider section... and I thinkk Foreman for the vikings section. I am guessing now, because like an idiot I took it to school with me in 1977 and someone stole it.

3:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Mike, you're right, I think it was Atkinson.

If you'll remember, it was NE who beat Oakland in a lopsided victory the season before (can't remember the exact score but it was something like 42-7). It was the same culprit in that game as the 30-7 Denver game the following season. Stable took both games off and tossed up several interceptions. He had 7 in the Denver game. But in both seasons, the Raiders remembered the prior meetings and won the next meeting.

I have mixed memories of SB XI. I developed a tooth abscess the Friday night before, and couldn't get into see a dentist until Monday. While I was loving the game, I was writhing in pain, and watching it with someone who hated the Raiders and wanted the Vikes to win.

Bama7, I never saw the program for that game, but Foreman is logical because he was the big news for the Vikings that season.

3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi all,
my brother in-law was able to get 2 tickets for this sundays game against the broncos in a luxury box. i'll be going with him so i have my 2 tickets available for sale. all i'm asking is face value - $60 each. they are in section 208 row 12, seats 16 & 17. this game'll be a sellout for sure so let me know.

5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of Super Bowl XI. I have a tee shirt with the entire team photo on it. My wife found it at a garage sale. It's not a true photo just a screen print. Next time we go to Tuscaloosa I plan to get Snake to sign it. He does autographs before each game.

For Super Bowl XV I have a commerative beer stein.


5:21 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

The Kiffin to Arkansas rumor is nothing more than a hack writer's conjecture.

From my view, Kiffin seems to be really enjoying the challenges and progress being made under his watch. Although we don't know what is being said or done behind closed doors, all indications are that Kiffin & Davis have an excellent working relationship based on mutual respect.

4 things to consider:

1. Kiffin does not strike me as a job hopper/$$ chaser. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't his pops Monte have the longest active tenure at 1 franchise of all the coaches in the NFL?

2. Kiffin does not strike me as a guy who runs at the 1st sign of trouble. He didn't go into this job blindfolded. He was well aware of the fact that it was going to be a difficult, uphill climb.

3. Kiffin does not strike me as a guy who would abandon the players, the players he drafted, the coaching staff and executive (Mark Jackson) that he hired.

4. Kiffin does not strike me as a guy who would leave unfinished business. All of the hard work he has put into this job so far is at the beginning stages of fruition. I honestly think that he gets a big kick out of seeing the player development and team improvement before his very eyes. To leave now would result in unanswered "what if questions" that he would carry with him the rest of his life.

It is my hope that Kiffin quickly dispels these rumors with a definitive statement.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7 & Blanda,

You are correct. It was Chuck Forman in the SBXV Program. I have a copy that my dad brought back from the game that year.

We had season tickets and he went with some of his work buddy's. I was pissed I couldn't go, but that went away after he brought back souvenirs for me and my brother. I studied that program every day for what seemed like a month.

Later in my adulthood, I met Willie Brown and had him autograph it. It now sits framed in my "Raider Room"

I also remember watching the 1977 Raiders vs Broncos game when Rob Lytle FUMBLED the ball, which the refs did not see. It affected me so much I actually wrote an English paper about it. I got a C+ (I was a poor speller for a Freshman in High School)

Anyway, sorry for lurking, but I never have anything to add to your already infomrative discussions.


6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Hog fans here in Arkansas absolutely kill me.

I've been living here for four years, and most of that time has been spent hearing how horrible a coach Houston Nutt is. Even when Arkansas is nationally ranked, Houston Nutt is horrible. So the Hogs beat LSU and the racket quiets down a li'l bit.

Now, when Houston Nutt has resigned, he's one of the greatest coaches Arkansas has ever had, we're losing a great man, a giant of a coach, and why, oh why did he have to go to Ole Miss to coach against us EVERY YEAR?

Friggin' buttplugs did it to themselves. He could say tomorrow that he's not going to Ole Miss and come back to coach the Hogs, and have a bunch of Hog fans calling for his head within the week.

Jesus Himself could come in here and be the Head Coach, and they'd complain that He didn't work enough miracles.

With that said, we had enough of this crap the first time around with Gruden. Kiffin's agent needs to go on record and shut this crap down--nip it in the bud NOW, before it gets out of hand like it did with Gruden.



7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is from Jerry McDonald who, as always, does a nice job.
It addresses the Kiffin - Arkansas rumor.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

finally was able to have a happy sunday night/monday, and now these, hopefully false, kiffin looking else where rumors start to fly.

calico, your logic is sound, but the power of $$$ is strong.

we need kiffin to stay, and we need to finally build a strong foundation to have long term success.
we can't change coaches every year.
obviously, it would be a huge step back.

9:05 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Raider 00: I'm not nieve to think that the power of the old mighty dollar isn't strong. Having said that, there are 2 things to consider:

(1) Put yourself in Kiffin's shoes. You are a 32 year old coach who just received a 1000% raise. (Based on a conservate estimate of his $200k salary as OC at USC and his approx. $2M salary with the Raiders).

(2) Do you honestly think that Arkansas is going to offer a 32 year old with less than 1 year of HC experience a HUGE bump in his current salary?

Who knows? Sometimes my sense of logic is meaningless. For all I know...
(1) Kiffin can't stand Davis
(2) Arkansas is offering $3M/yr
(3) And yes, Kiffin was abducted by aliens

All things being equal, my instinct tells me that Kiffin is relishing the ENORMOUS challenges facing him as the Raiders HC and has a sense of loyalty to Davis to see things through.

9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember that fumble in the Denver playoff game. I was twelve years old and it was the first time I realized that the zebras don't like the Raiders. I went to my room and cried and my dad had to come in and have a talk with me. Wouldn't a Raiders/Cowboys SB have been great though? The "criminal element" against "America's team".

5:48 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The media is running with the Kiffin to Ark rumor. Apparently, the original perpetrator is very E.F.Hutton-esk. If there’s even the slightest credence to the story, it’s really amazing what doors open and opportunities arise with just three wins. I’m a big Kiffin supporter, but yikes! Shell won two games and nobody was knocking down his door.

Jano deserved all the bashing before (and early into) the season, but I’ve apologized. Maybe he’s over his withdrawals and has matured enough to BEGIN his Raider career. Let’s not forget that this guy needed a babysitter for at least his first three or four seasons.

Hate to see Cooper out for the season, but if this happened one week earlier, Bush would be on the roster. Not only a terrible occurrence, but awful timing as well (no excuses). Get well Coop and see you next season!

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate Denver and all that is cold. Except beer. But Coors sucks!


8:19 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...


Both Jerry Mac and Jason Jones have good blogs on the Hogs issue. And both are right. But I do have one bone of contention with Jones. He says these rumors won't go away unless Kiffin definitively says he's not interested. The reason a coach is reluctant to make such a statement is they don't want to discourage the interest when their current contract runs its course.

For all we know, if Kiffin decides he wants to move on, he may be interested in a college job after three years. For all we know, we may be happy to see him go after three years. Unless there is such a thing as a contract for life, one can never use words like never and forever. This is why coaches usually speak in terms of, "I intend to finish what I came to do here." He can't say, "I have no intention of coaching for Arkansas" because, at some point, the Hogs could be his only option.

So now that the rumors have started, they're here to stay because Kiffin will always have to parse his words enough so that the offers continue to come in. Expect the local media Raider haters to bring it up at every opportunity, and to start adding things like, "Kiffin can't stand working with Davis," or "Kiffin was ready to quit when he wanted to draft Johnson and Davis insisted on Russell." We will get this relentlessly from Kawakami, Gay, and a few others. Note that after one suggestion yesterday, their are SIX articles discussing it on today's

Long and the short? We're going to have to live with it.

8:46 AM  

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