posted by Raider Take at 11:40 AM
Did anyone here see Doug Gabriel in the second half of last night's game? Dude was lowering his shoulder for tough extra yards, he made a real nifty fingertips TD grab, and made a wicked sideline catch at full extension (ruled incomplete, but only by inches). Why, again, did we trade this soon-to-be starter on the Patriots for a fifth-round pick?
RT-I think we just have to chalk that one up as one that was shanked by the front office. We can all move on if we don't have to keep watching #87. Maybe this week we'll have the best playmakers on the field...
Yeah, you're right, I need to move on, but watching him last night was like picking at the scab of a healing wound. The shanking of that trade has been amplified with Porter confined to the bench and Whitted doing very little to fill either Porter's or Gabriel's shoes; let's hope that we get better reason to move on this Sunday!
If it helps, Gabriel would do us no good, as our QBs don't get time to throw the ball anyway.
Good point, although I think Porter or Gabriel might have held on to that ball that Whitted dropped after getting crushed downfield.
....or the two others he dropped without being crushed
Day off Haiku:Happy PerspectiveRaiders did not lose SundayThanks to the Bye-Week
I would like to take advantage of the calm, and quiet of bye week, to discuss one of my all time favorite Raiders, Raymond Chester.In 1970, Al Davis used a 1st round draft pick to selecet TE Raymond Chester of Morgan State. Chester had a more then solid rookie season, and earned AFC rookie of the year honors.Two yrs later, in a surprise move, Davis traded Chester away to the Baltimore Colts. The Raiders went with Bob Moore, and Ted Kwalick at TE for one season, and then Drafted the great Dave Casper.It wasn't until 1978 that Davis reaquired Ray Chester, and paired him with Casper that season. '78/'79, turned out to be a special kind of year, as both Chester, and Casper would shine. The Ghost would have 57 catches and 4 TD's, while Chester had 58 grabs, and 8 TD's. Both players would go to the Pro Bowl.The next year, however, Davis turned around and dealt Casper to the Houston Oilers for an amazing 1st round, and two 2nd round picks. WOW !!! This would set the stage for the great 1980 season, where Chester would start at TE, with Todd Christensen serving as backup. Things seemed to go so perfectly back then, didn't they ?Anyway, Chester went on to have a great season making many key plays. Who could ever forget the first drive of the Championship game against SD, when Chester caught a deflected pass and took it 80 yrds for a TD. My only disappointment that yr was that Chester did not get a TD catch in the SB against the Eagles. Nevertheless, he did get his greatly deserved SB ring.Just some thoughts on a player that gets lost sometimes with all the great players the Raiders have had over the years.And Raider Take, since you've been lamenting the Gabriel for a 5th rounder deal, this ones for you:Al Davis used one of the 2nd round picks he obtained in the Casper trade to select Hall of Famer, Howie Long.Now i'm not saying Davis can do this again. In fact he'll probably use the pick on some track star, but it is nice to remember the good old days.
Interesting...The worst team in football is favored to win against the Browns. If the Raiders are the worst team in football, doesn't that mean that the Browns should be favored?If the Raiders win, will they still be the worst team in football? Or will the 0-4 Browns still be better than the 1-2 Raiders because... well, because they aren't the Raiders? This is getting confusing.
Great memories, Raider00. Thanks! It sure would be nice if we could recapture some of our old glory at the TE position.If Mr. Davis got a first round pick and two second round picks for an aging Dave Casper, then surely he could have done better than one fifth-round pick for a young Doug Gabriel! Good call, BlandaRocked!
Here's my summary of the Gabriel trade:-Bury your second best receiver on the bench.-Trade your third best receiver for a fifth rounder.-Elevate your fifth best receiver to the #2 spot one week before the season opener on Monday night football.I'm having a hard time getting over that one too, let alone understanding it...
"2-n-2" could the Raiders be in 2 weeks???? -W-DogBisketBrownies-n-SadFranchiseWiners on the docket??Maybe I got bad eye-sight but I can see "8-n-8" if we just beet the loosers----Browns49er'sCardnalsCheifs x 2TexansRamsJetsCould we add "1" other victory to the season, like Donkies one time at home?I agree we will know more about our future after next weeks game and eaither have hope or start talking about the 2007 Draft, who is the top QB, RB, OT, TE, available for hope next year???What a horrible thought, may it never happen that way so early in a season!!!!The Doug thing sucks as we all like him and I was watching him last night also, sad-sad-sad!!! But maybe he comes back?? He had only 1 year left on his contract and did not sign a new deal yet. I am sure he is much happier than Porter!!! who lost out on everything because of his stupid move!! On this I hold the line with Coach Shell, until the player is ready to perform as a team player he sits, unless we get a very good offer!!! but do not cave in and give him what he wants because it sends the wrong message to the next punk with an attitude problem... I thank Al because he is allowing Coach Shell to exercise his power here, not like Marcus Allan and Hoss which got Shell fired last time!!! The man knows something about the situation and I leave it up to him to find a solution, in his own due time and in his own damn way. Mean-while there are other WR's we can develop and that is also good for the team, if the "ol" can give them some time to make a connection??PantyRaider-OnMyKneeHopefulRaiderFan- - - - "Go Raiders"
Mad Stork 83, that's a brilliant breakdown, and funny as hell, too. Thanks. PantyRaider, your optimism and passion are refreshing...Thanks for bringing it, pirate!
We miss Doug Gabriel HaikuBewildered; confusedMoved Morant to number 2Call up Buchanon!
Blandarocked,It doesn't matter if the Raiders do the unthinkable, and turn the ship, and come back to win the AFC West. They will be considered the worst team in the playoffs, and every mediot, with exception to my favorite Howie Long, will pick them to be the first team to exit. Why? Because of Al Davis.If you haven't done so already, go to Inside Bay Area website, and read the story of Al Davis during the 60's in the AFL; and how he stood by his black players during a time of segregation. Standing up for them as they were told by cab drivers, hotel personell, etc; to go somewhere else. He was only 1 of 4 or 5 coaches and owners in the league to do so. Yet another way he has changed the "face" of football, but still gets no respect from anyone in the media; when he should be considered "Champion" of how to run an organization. Sure, he doesn't do everything perfectly all the time; but he is not afraid to take a risk.
BlandaRocked, I've checked around at it seems the Brownies are favored by either 2.5 or 3 on 34. Then again, Atlanta was favored by 4.5.
Ah, yes... So the Browns are favored after all. They're using the logic, "a loss by the Raiders is worse than a loss by anybody else." Raider nate 75: Yes, I've read those articles. I read the original reports, back in the day, reading the sports pages over my bowl of cereal before heading off to school.But take note, we not only play in the NFL's best division, but also the greatest. Hank Stram of KC was also one of the good guys, as well as Sid Gillman in SD. The Donkeys, however, never quite fit in this division. Crush them, Silver and Black, crush them!
Here's what Tim Brown told the L.A times about "The Mayor's" offense:"You just can't run that offense in the NFL anymore," Brown said. "They're calling timeouts, spending most of their timeouts, before 10 minutes is up in the second quarter. They're getting delay penalties, getting to the line of scrimmage late, because those plays are 20 words long."I know that it was a horrible offense way back when. We just had to make plays and make things happen way back when. Being that the 40-second clock has come into play, and a lot of other rules have come into play since he was (last) in the league, I knew that would be a tough adjustment for him. Even zone blitzes and things of that nature. That makes that offense very tough. It was very one-dimensional, trying to audible was very difficult."Enough Said.
The St Petersburg Times in Florida is reporting that the Bucs are looking to make a deal with the Raiders for Tuiasosopo now that Simms went down.Let's hope for a RB, OG, and a draft pick.
Raider Nate, That could be great for everyone involved. I hate to see the kid go, but he deserves a shot. He's Gruden's boy, they need him, and we could use any of the things you listed.
No good could come from dealing Tui to Gruden, & the Bucs.The Raiders have de-valued Tui so much over the yrs, they'd be lucky to get a 6th, or 7th round pick for him, let alone a live body. Afterall, they could only swing a 5th round pick for the up, & coming Doug Gabriel.Besides, with the Raiders o-line playing so bad, they are going to need all the Qb's they have.I still remember Gruden jumping over that fallen Raider on the sideline, in the final moments of the SB.Why should we bail Gruden out now when he's down. The most I would give him, is Jeff Georges' phone number, and nothing more.
The "ChuckSuckySweepStakes" for the RaiderNation!!! What could it mean??/ We Want Cadilac!!!!Will never happen but it is fun to dreem!!!I do not care about ChuckySucky but I do like Tui and he deserves a chance to play and it ain't commin here so let him go, for a desent price, but he has been there for the team, never complained, NOT a Porter type and this would be another slap in Pot's face for the way he has acted, I like it!!! He goes NO-WHERE but Doug and Tui get rolalities because they were team players, that is rewarding the class-acts and punishing the jurksPantyRaider
Anyone know how close the game is to being sold out? I fuckin' hate blackouts!!!
Just another comment on Port-Ster!! In case you all wonder why I am so down him the punk, because it is like lookin in the mirror!!! I have already said how I was a problem as a player in high school and had to be taken asside, a couple of times. But it did not sink in for long!! By the time I was 21 I was in trouble everywhere and jerked up and kicked out of the Navy-1971-and drifted in and out of reality. The reality was that I was not all that, but I could not see it!! I excelled at my work in the steel trades and was commited to the job when I showed up!! Allways had another job waiting around the corner until Ragan put our ass in the dumper, what a shock that was!!! In the past people put up with me because of my raw ability, and it was difficult to find someone who could come in and fill the bill. By "83" there were so many of us in the street they could have their pick, so that left my beligerant ass out in the cold!!!HappyDays I began driving a truck and again I excelled and had that old false attitude!! Everytime some one caved in to my crap I got worse, and worse! Finally I met the man, Ron Rudzek, the brother of a Chacago Bears special teamer and former football player and coach who took his team to 3 state champs in Colorado. So he ran the company with 38 trucks like a football team and we kicked some ass om the highway!! But the first time a became a problem he took me aside and explained life to me!!! "You can do what ever you want between point A and Point B, I don't give a shit, but you make that damn appointment on time or I will drag your cocky ass out back and plant it in the turf" and he had slaped alot and I never saw anyone get a chance to slap back so I understood what he said. The thing is he gave a shit, did not try to change who I was, only kept me focused on the play of the day!! Padded me on the back for what I did good and was there in the middle of the night anywhere in the country to unexpectedly set me streight. I started to look for him if I was fuckin up!! I worked for him 3 times and he is the best boss a man ever had!! And a freind!! I see this with Coach Shell, tough but carring! If PortSter can get streight he will make a great player but he needs to know who he is, where he is!! On the bench without a game check, no respect from the players, no glory, no spot-light, no-one to listen!! That is a good thing for him, "WakeUp PortSter" it's time to play and we don't give a damn what you do between plays, but go out there and run the damn play!! I am the same as before but now I am as cooperative as posible with people when they are right and in their face when they are wrong!!! So ya see, I like PortSter, I just want him to wake-up and play ball!! I think Coach Shell can get the job done so I will wait and let him work it out his own damn way.....PantyRaider---PirateCommitted!!!
Raider Nate, Do you have a link for that article? I've googled it, but can't find anything.
Hey pope, here's a link for you.http://www.tbo.com/sports/bucs/MGB5DB85LSE.html
What up with TO, is this real, he wants to die???? If he has problems like Barret Robins and still can excell at times as a pro-bowl player at his level, than I have to respect the guy, but this is sad-sad-sad!!! Get some help and get back on the field, do what you do bro, even if most of us consider you an ass, you got talent we could only dream of having....Hope you can get it together and hope our PortSter is not in the same dumpster!!!PantyRaider---SadSadWorriedRaiderFan
This T.O. thing is very strange. I actually live in Dallas and it has been very surreal.I found this article most profound:http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/15622155.htm
Tui Trade..............NO WAY!No way Al trades Tui to Gruden for one reason............We lost the SB to him. Al will not trade him and this is just the way Al Rolls..........We have seen it before......As for Gabrial....EVERYONE just turn the TV off and try to ignore the fact that we blew this deal....BIG! The Browns are "NOT" a easy winn.....No they are a solid team that is primed to take us to the shead if we come out and play the game we have been playing......A HUGE change is needed and Sunday will show if we will get the first draft pick.....Sad but true
I heard a rumor that...Jerry Jones threatened to trade T.O. to the Raiders...And he promptly tried to kill himself.LoL...just kidding
That rummer is funny, dia rather than being a Raider, how sad!!!On a positive not, a RB wants to play and I like his aproach, no excuse just fire up and do the damn job. About time!!! Go Jordan as we hope it is not just a ploy to sell tickets???? As for me I will be in the bar at the TV with all the hope I can muster, hope-hope-hope and see what comes out. For sure this will tell us where our team is heading this year!!!PantyRaider
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