Packers Gamenight Thread
Well, this game just feels pivotal for some reason. An odd numbered game that sparks the transition from early season to mid season.
You go to 1-4 and things start to look pretty dark. You claw back to 2-3 and glimmers of hope begin to shine.
The Packers with Jordan Love are beatable. It's time for the Raiders to RISE UP and seize the momentum. GO RAIDERS!
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Most of us have lived the misery of the past 20 years, right here!
As for tonight's game, I'm sick and tired of excuses. As others have pointed out, McDaniels got caught in a lie, stating he tried everything to keep Mack from the QB. Who's does he think he's fooling? Mark Davis? The fans? He practically sent Mack an invitation. Every time Mack plays the Raiders, he schools us, and his trade becomes more and more embarrassing.
Here's the bottom line for me: The blown game-changing play calls the past two weeks are inexcusable. If McDaniels and Graham aren't better than they've shown us, they both need to go. This has been the problem for me the past 20 years. There's no accountability (for being stupid).
Let's not kid ourselves, Jimmy G (McDaniels handpicked QB) is, at best, a lateral move from Carr. He's the reason defenses are stacking the box and stuffing Jacobs.
The defense is a mess, but they respond as a group when Graham dials up more aggressive play calling (because he has no choice late in games). Problem is, Graham starts every game with soft man and zone coverages which opposing teams pick apart.
McDaniels and Graham are stuck in their own delusion that the Raiders players are good enough to run their complex schemes unimpeded. Doesn't matter how many wakeup calls they get game after game their failing processes seem to stay the same.
BTW, did anyone see the game Hankins had last night? I only saw parts of the first half and the Cowboys lost, but it looks like this Raiders castoff is still playing at a high level while Raiders interior DL is a mess. In the short time I watched, Hankins knocked down two passes.
the NFL and the owners want a huge turnout in L.V. and they want to make huge changes inside the Raiders!
they only wanted to have the Super Bowl in L.V. to make huge/ crazy revenue and get new investors and get legal gambling companies to join the league and bring in huge local corporations as investors and have NFL t.v./ cable entertainment and have L.V. hospitality and entertainment and hope that will get all kinds of tourists to come and spend big in L.V.
this is about NFL teams but the Raiders are a 'brand' there is no drive to help them win or make the playoff- it was all about the Super Bowl! the goal of the NFL is to make them look good as an NFL member with the history and colors for making L.V. into a fan/ tourist resort to visit but as for them being a good team that's not really a big deal.
it'll be about making huge revenue, after that, the Raiders well, might be in for some strange situations!
spending no NFL merchandise and visiting the "Death Star" and going to see and talk to the celebrities that might go to the super bowl and being on the web playing NFL games and watching NFL shows might be what fans will be doing and the NFL will make money off it.
that's what you support? that's what you want the city of L.V. to promote the Raiders just being their to make the NFL wealthier? wow! you guys have supported this now ask the Raiders just what are they doing to win! for the future and just why are they not doing much to show they want to win?
whats with this strange situation with off field problems? why is the media talking about the Raiders' might needing to make big changes and why is the media talking about new stake holders and maybe Raiders needing to have more of them or let one own more of the Raiders' team? why are they saying a new stake holder might solve problems? I thought owners weren't supposed to meddle? so why do we need a new stake holder?
NY, glad to see you've come around to the fact that McDaniels is a liar as I was mentioning to you last week. Sandy
I was aware of what McDaniels said. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's difficult when the stats prove him wrong.
I assure you I'm not playing favorites.
Certainly, the players know if he's full of shit. So far, the locker room appears intact, but McDaniels might be one more bad call away from a team implosion, or firing.
With two horrible calls he's cost the Raiders opportunities to tie two games and send them to OT. More broadly, in less than two seasons he's gone from rookie mistakes to sandbagging. Maybe he sold Raiders' stock short. IDK. A personal vendetta, perhaps?
If tonight's game goes south - which I'll generously give a 50/50 chance - it might get ugly for McDaniels. He's running out of free passes. Maybe we'll find out if the honeymoon is over.
Mark, here's one for your coach... "Smarten up!"
Who was the tool on this chat who was talking up Spillane. That signing is a bust
They won in spite of McDaniels playing for a tie. Maxx is a superstar. Amik makes a play and Jacobs shows up. Sandy
5'9" Amik Robertson looks like he's the best CB out there, and he almost didn't make the team. He turned and found that ball, then made a David Tyree catch all in the blink of an eye. Amazing play!
How funny, within minutes of the Spillane bashing post above, the guy gets the first of two INTs on the night.
Another questionable call at the end of the game. Geez! Three weeks in a row! This one was not as egregious but questionable nonetheless. A 1-3 team playing for a possible tie, as you said, Sandy. Packers needed a TD regardless of the Raiders decision there. If McDaniels can't pull a decent play out in that situation, that really sucks.
The defense was hungry. Love was terrible, but that's at least partly due to Crosby (the guy is insane!). My biggest criticism is continuation of soft coverage. Peters is so far back off the LOS it looks like he's playing deep safety.
On offense, McDaniels handpicked QB, one of the best WR duos in the NFL, last year's rushing titleholder, and they can't score over 18 pts in five tries. Garoppolo may have left his arm in SF. I believe his weak arm is the reason teams are stacking the box. He's no more than a stopgap, with no replacement in sight.
Another sad home game with more Packers fans than Raiders fans, forcing the Raiders to once again go to a silent count on offense. Raiders lost the privilege of home games when they moved to Vegas. Expect the Patriots fans to overtake Raiders fans next week.
One last thing. Why can't the O-line figure it out? The only change this year was Van Rotten over Alex Bars. Suddenly, everybody sucks. Sounds like a coaching problem.
It's a win, but rings hollow with all the problems still facing this team. Including last night's game, the Raiders have just entered the only soft spot in their schedule. If they continue to fight like last night (and despite bad coaching), they will win more games and take themselves out of the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
I don't like making predictions, but this looks and smells like another 6-win season.
NY, did you see Crosby's post game interview and how Rich Bisacia came up to him and the hug they shared there's a lot of love there and made me feel melancholy that we have this Mcdumbass as our coach. Sandy
I did. It was a moment for sure. Don't worry, Davis will be hiring back next year.
Lol I sure hope you are right. Sandy
This was a win, if not a bland, "vanilla", win. Jacobs had 20 touches for 69 yards. He made the most he could from nothing, as there were no holes to run through.
The TE, Meyers, from Notre Dame, finally appeared. He made 2 nice catch and runs early, I thought I was watching "87" Dave Casper! But, of course, he disappeared from the offense after that. Not his fault, but that of the coaching.
The rookie WR, Tucker is fast. He looked good, but didn't play much. if he were on the Dolphins they already would have figured out ways to get him more involved.
The defense got 3 picks against a Qb that throws a lot of crooked passes. But I agree with NYR that Raiders "prevent" D does not work against the better Qb's of the league.
Sandy, I watched that Qb Maye last weekend, he looked great, but a few more "ugly" wins, and he too will be out of reach of the Raiders.
As usual, the Raiders do have some players, but do not appear to be building anything. No one seems to have a clue.
An ugly win is a win. I don't know what has happened with the O-line from last year to this year, and why they cannot figure out protection assignments. I don't know if that is Jimmy G's job to call out, or someone on the O-line; but they are not recognizing blitzes, picking up assignments to the play; overall, they look lost on every play.
The defense won this game for us. When was the last time we could say that? One last note, did MD call Josh McD an "@$$$hole" for going for a field goal and not a TD? Anyone else see that on TV last night?
Nate, Davis was clearly calling Joe Buck an asshole for suggesting what McDaniels called was "much to the chagrin of Mark Davis." Listen to the front end of the clip.
ESPN analytics apparently came up with odds that suggest teams go for it on 4th and less than 2 yards at mid-field or closer. While that sounds reasonable, what the analytics can't tell us is that McDaniels doesn't have a play call, nor enough confidence in his underperforming offense to make a conversion. Hence the FG. Carlson is money, so I'm kind of on the fence with that one.
NY, can you please explain your thought about Davis calling Buck and asshole. How do you know Davis was listening to the game? It seemed he got mad when they didnt make the TD and let go an f bomb and then the asshole cam after?
Ghost, did you hone in on watching Tyree Wilson. Did you notice he does ot even get in a three point stance? Crazy that we picked him 7th overall and he can not get down in a three point stance because he is too slow out of that versus two point stance whichhe also looked very slow off the ball?
Two picks by Spilane was good and plenty lucky but him and Deablo do not fill holes like Perryman did.
Sandy
Sandy...yes, Wilson is lining up like a LB coming off the edge. He also has no pass rush moves. Just straight ahead every time, gets blocked and can't come off the block.
It's early, but Wilson looks like a raw project picked way too high in draft by Zeigler.
You don't think Davis is listening to the national feed for the game? The audio is on the viral clip, and Davis's reaction is the exact moment Buck spoke of, or at least implied division between the owner and his coach.
Also, it follows a pattern which Davis appears to defend his coach against fan criticism. IMO, Davis saying "smarten up" to a fan calling for McDaniels to be fired might be translated to mean "it takes more than 1.25 seasons to build a team, so smarten up."
Media would like to report a controversy. That's why this has gotten any traction.
McDaniels is probably safe as long as he wins, or maybe as long as he has the locker room behind him.
P.S. if we could count the number of times Al Davis reacted similarly, we could agree Mark Davis has a lot of catching up to do.
Why McDaniels decided not to call a timeout (he had two) after the Raiders then stopped the Packers with 1:50 left in the first half is beyond me. The guy is way over his head. NY, I thought he said run it asshole. I've seen a bunch of commentary on the issue but nothing similar to what you said and I don't see a tv anywhere near him. Sandy
I'm going to watch it again. I'll be the first to admit, my theories aren't perfect. But I will say it serves the media better if the conflict is with his coach and not just a TV commentator. Of that I'm confident.
Upon further review, the call on the field has been overturned. It appears Buck's commentary is after the fact. They appear to be replaying Davis's reaction, presumably, to the play in question.
Good call! When I viewed it before, I thought Bucks comments and Davis's reaction were in sync. I appreciate your follow up.
Of course we still don't know for certain. For now I can only comment that Davis appears to keep good company. Isn't that his neighbor, the "dancer"?
I was viewing photos of the game and the one that jumps out (pun intended) is Amik Robertson's vertical jump to get above the WR and make the INT to end the game. Impressive!
Crosby named D player of the week.
NY, I saw that picture too I bet you Amik and dunk with vertical like that. Hopefully we get Bennett and Hobbs back this week. Sandy
FYI
https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/mark-davis-loses-it-after-raiders-settle-for-fg-on-mnf/
Sandy
Oh, Davis is sitting next to Orianthi. That's pretty cool. She's a modern Rita Ford, only better.
November 7th, Roger Goodell will be in the Nevada Supreme Court to make comments about what happened 2 years ago yesterday, when 2 sets of emails were released causing Gruden to resign as Raiders HC. Gruden's lawsuit against the NFL is still ongoing, but Goodell has been called by the court to give testimony. Maybe we will finally know who leaked the emails? What if it was Mark Davis?
Davis? It was an embarrassment to the org. Not sure if Goodell knows and whoever leaked it isn't talking about it.
Put it this way, if it was Davis, is he now looking for McDaniels' emails?
Big news! Broncos are in the process of trading DE Frank Clark, but no trade has been announced yet. The only announcement so far is that Clark will not play tonight for the Broncos (he's inactive). Raiders could sure use him, but he's a luxury for a better team. The Raiders aren't good enough and shouldn't give away any draft capital which the Broncos will want.
The Raiders probably ought to be selling, not buying before the trade deadline. Renfrow is an obvious trade candidate. Adams and Jacobs could be too, neither of which I'd be happy about. But if the Raiders trade Crosby, I'll be checking out.
Raiders don't need to be trading their stars: Crosby, Adams, Jacobs; those are players to build around. They need to be ridding themselves of players/coaches like McDaniels, Garrapolo, Tillery, Eluemenor, and Van Roten. Time to find replacements for these schlubs.
Doncos will not trade with the Raiders, if the Raiders want Clark, we will have to hope he gets cut. Another intriguing name that is being floated around about being cut or traded is Garrett Boles (OT/G). I don't think he's a super star, but he's better than what we have on the right side of the O-Line currently.
I would go for Chase Young (DE), Jaylon Johnson (CB), or Carl Lawson (DE) in a trade, maybe for Renfrow? But knowing our stupidity in the coaching and staff, they will probably trade for a WR. Tired of Losing, Baby!
The writing is on the wall for Jacobs. Raiders had two opportunities in back-to-back years to lock him in at fair value (or less) and they failed to do so.
As for Broncos not trading with Raiders, everything has a price. Broncos are in full rebuild mode. Clark wouldn't even be a Raider by the time they are relevant again.
you guys are talking football and the responsibility of the teams to TRY to win!
but you don't understand that the business side of these teams are already thinking they are winners!
They don't lose! they can't! why? because they will make money win or lose and its' you fans that made that more possible.
Al and other owners were passionate about winning but now the NFL is Wallstreet made so they don't think just wins and losses make up what a team is.
No, they want to make business deals and get more investors to be powerful and valuable! So, they may want to win but its' no big deal if they make a lot of money.
In the 70's a team could have a tough time losing and fans stop going to games that wasn't that bad a problem in the 80's with all the t.v. money and other deals they were getting. In the 90s' t.v. started paying more money and, with the problems of S.F., Buffalo and Dallas ruining the PARITY thing the NFL decided to make PARITY the excuse to help ruin these three teams and create a mediocre game. They also started getting more business deals and selling NFL merchandise and building new stadiums.
To have good games? No, to make money!
They want the league to be a good one and the fans to see good games but the goal is making money and getting more corporate deals and investors- and having more new fans who want to spend on the NFL!
Well, the NFL isn't that worried about the Raiders- they are looking at the Super Bowl!
Raidernation has waited over ten years for the team to win and if allegedly the NFL is helping them and helped them move to L.V. and might be trying to help them win- I think fans need to ask for a new game plan because there are some big set backs!
These things don't happen on a team even a terrible one. And allegedly the NFL is helping us or we have more than Al or his employees had for us then, we just aren't getting it all together and using it to win or at least be average.
but yet, we move to L.V. and the league is ready to make big money. the Raiders do have a plan or the NFL/ owners have a plan but we don't know what that is! they seem to be worried about stake holders and I don't think its' for us but maybe the NFL's plans for us and who will be doing the management and making the teams plans for
its' fans, its' culture and how it puts winning and history with making money and who it wants to be the stake holder in the team and who it lets advise the team.
Forget Frank Clark the Raiders need a DT way more than a DE. If only there had been a game changing DT the Raiders could have drafted this past year---wait. lol
BTW< NY I just wanted to point out that 3 years ago today the Raiders bet MAhomes for the first and only time----do you remmebr who was coaching? Derek Carr threw for 347 yards 3 TDs
Sandy
Anon, you're right, the Raiders win financially whether or not they win on the field. Raiders have the highest ticket prices in the league (and still sellout). Their brand and merchandising is everywhere in Vegas and beyond. In a nutshell, no team has every sucked so bad and made so much money. Mark Davis should be ashamed that he can fleece Raiders fans and not ever have to field a winning team. Well done, Mark!
Sandy, I don't take that lightly. I wanted Carr to be the guy. I blame McDaniels for that relationship failure. Carr has to be one of the most coachable players in the NFL, and McDaniels couldn't coach him. That says more about McDaniels than it does about Carr, IMO. Carr is the Raiders all-time leader. His comeback walk-off win total speaks for itself. His time with the Raiders lack a defense. That includes yours truly as HC.
But we haven't seen the best of Jimmy G, or at least I hope we haven't!
Ironic, isn't it? After years of us (fans) complaining that the Raiders need to modernize their organization to compete with other "modern" NFL teams, they are fully modernized and no better for it. The new and improved Raiders' organization is a bloated structure with all the bells and whistles. However, it's a zero-sum game on the field and the Raiders are still unable to move the needle.
It's important to note, "on the field" because off the field Mark Davis has found Shangri-La, where his team's value has doubled, or tripled, and he rolls with celebrities and models and buys other sports teams for swag.
Even with Lloyd's pumpkin pie haircut, Davis is a playboy who occasionally yells classless insults from his owner's box, like an armchair QB yelling at his TV.
So I wonder, is Davis done with this project? Davis has already succeeded in terms of money and lifestyle and, as long as his head coach doesn't implode, there's no need to rock the boat. The stadium will continue to fill with opposing team's fans at the highest possible ticket prices and Davis will continue to reap the rewards of modern NFL ownership in one of the world's most traveled destinations.
So, yelling at his HC on MNF for all to see, assuming that's what he did, could be nothing more than Davis trying to protect the status quo. If we conflate his two most recent quotes, we end up with "smarten up, asshole." Very profound for a modern-day NFL billionaire.
Let's face facts the new regime are complete failures. They went into both their first and second year knowing we need a cornerback number 1 and an impact player on the defensive line. Two years in a row they've not done either. Not in free agency not in the draft and this year in the draft both positions were available both Carter and Gonzalez look like pro bowlers for years to come. Sandy
That's kind of the point, Sandy. It appears that stuff only matters to us. The Raiders are flush, more so than any time in their history and yet, here we are. The incredible irony is Mark Davis yelling at someone else to "smarten up".
Looking back at the past 20+ years, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's the same shit no matter who's in charge. But I can't say the org is incompetent. They're flush!
Sandy, I know you disagree with me wrt Gruden Part II. That's okay! Inasmuch as the Raiders squeaked their way into the playoffs under Bisaccia, they weren't exactly building a monster roster with the likes of Arnette, Leatherwood, Abram, Ferrell, etc. And while it's hard for me to pass judgement on Wilson after 5 games, he's not looking good. Did anyone scout this kid or his injury? Again, this is my point. We are stuck in this quagmire as fans, and I can't tell that anyone cares but us.
NY, I will not rest till you recognize the many positive thing Gruden did in his second stint. Just joking sort of lol. Enjoy the game. Sandy
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