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A winnable game, a chance to keep pace with the Chiefs atop the standings of the AFC West, time to show up and make it happen. GO RAIDERS!
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Sunday, September 24, 2023
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Great adjustment on an under thrown ball by Adams on 4th an 1 for a TD. JUST WIN, BABY!!!!
Only for the Raiders to give it right back. F*^#!×% Defense
Sad that the Raiders don't have a home field advantage anymore. Sandy
The new regime has made the Raiders considerably worse over the past two years. Garapollo is awful, defense is awful, online is soft and McDaniels is a horrendous coach. Sandy
McDaniels kicks the field goal on 4th down. What a dumb ass. Terrible game management. Even if you don't make the first down you have them backed up deep with all your time out. Sandy
I am done until Mark hires a real coach and gets a real qb. See ya guys. Sandy
Another winnable game down the tubes. Out-coached and out-played, again! But equally disturbing is the home-field advantage that the Steelers brought to LV. Raiders had to resort to silent count because the stadium was filled with terrible towels.
Jimmy G proved that Derek Carr isn't the only QB who crumbles under pressure. When under pressure, Carr fumbles and JG throws into heavy coverage, sometimes right at a defender.
Not sure what to say about the game. There's so much. Raiders brass have spent two full years building the team they wanted, and they are getting pushed around like rag dolls. Tyree Wilson got thrown aside effortlessly. On one play, Kolton Miller was so late on a snap Watt was already past him and sacking JG.
McDaniels is the guy who always goes on 4th down, apparently, except when it makes the most sense. Kicking a field goal with 2 minutes left didn't give the Raiders a better chance to get the ball back and score another TD. He had so little confidence in his offense that he literally avoided a chance to tie the game.
Last year teams knew the Raiders were going to run and they still ran the ball down their throats. With the same players and coaching, this year it's not there.
Steelers 2nd round pick, Keeanu Benton! Anyone else see this kid shoving Raiders O-linemen aside and reaching JG? Rookie looks better than any Raiders interior D linemen.
Chargers next! Can't wait! It's in LA, so maybe some Raiders fans will show up.
The Raiders have reached a perfect trifecta.
Terrible ownership...terrible coaches/Gm...and terrible roster of players.
Unbelievable!!!!
Here is a plan for the Raiders...listen up dumb ass Mark Davis.
Trade Crappolio to the Jets...they need a Qb.
Trade Marcus Peters to the Cowboys...they need a corner.
Trade away Josh Jacobs...bcuz he will not be a Raider next year anyway.
Trade Devante Adams...Dude is great and deserves to be on a winner.
Trade Tyree Wilson for a 7th round pick...if you can get one.
Fire Zeigler's follies, and Josh McDummy bcuz they are useless.
Obtain as many picks as you can, bcuz yet another tear down/rebuild is coming bcuz you are the worst owner on the face of the planet!!
Adams is already ringing the bell that he's not going to be content just repeating last year, which it appears the Raiders are inclined to do.
I haven't listened to McDaniels post-game presser but media quoted him saying the Raiders needed two scores and that's why he kicked the FG. Huh?! So many Steelers fans in the crowd he thought he was in Pittsburgh.
Some bad coaching, some terrible O and the D cannot make a play when it has to. Some bad ownership, some bad 'fans' that sell all their tickets to rival teams.
It's sad that the QB will only throw the ball to 2 different WR's. It's been a sad 20 years and it doesn't look to be getting any better. Tried to give it a chance, but yesterday showed it's just another shit year for Raider fans. Raider fans I know were texting me yesterday and the all said they are done. They have had enough. A very sad day for Raider fans.
HC, down by 8, 4th down in prime territory, GO FOR IT YOU MORON, that was some pretty weak sauce right there. When they showed his face on the sidelines, he looked like a little kid who didn't know what to do. And the D call on the 4th down for Pitt near the end of the game and the D.C. calls a horrible call and Pitt easily gets the 1st down. Epps was so pissed at the call he looked at the bench and started screaming. Players are seeing it and that is not a good thing. The locker room will become a mess and the team will fall apart.
It's probably not fans selling tickets as much as corporate greed. It's Vegas! It's all about money. Raiders face the harsh reality that as long as they are in Vegas, a global destination market, their "home" games are played at a neutral site (merely having the Raiders logo). We've all been seeing it every week. This week was exceptional because the Raiders were forced to go to a silent count to run their offense over the sound of screaming Steelers fans.
That's a tough pill to swallow for an organization with such a strong brand.
Ownership!!?
What does MD have to do with the Raiders' coaches?
YOU(Raidernation) said:
Al was 'meddling' with his coaches and that's one reason the team started losing!
Al was hiring "yes" men
Al fired his coaches too soon
He was forcing his coaches to run HIS systems' and not letting them bring their own game plans.
Coaches had to deal with dysfunction, controlling owner, grudges and pressure from the front office.
Al wanted players coaches didn't like or want and he had a bias toward athletes over real football players and although coaches could bring in SOME of their guys- they couldn't just make them starters without Al's permission and this caused problems in the front office.
Yea, getting rid of Al was the answer. Wow! look at how much better this team is!
We have waited over ten years for a change!
We've supported every lie the NFL sold to us!
We even took common sense
IF you bring in high character, average guys(cheap) with passion for football you'll win a lot, that all depends on who the front office is. There are some coaches who did it without a lot of so-called elite talent but they had great HCs' or, had some of the best assistants in the NFL! They didn't just take average talent to the winning club for teams or the top game/ front office managers in the NFL.
Al built teams by his ideas BUT he let his coaches have say. He wanted to be able to out play team on defense and he spent on star players on offense. The Raiders tried to win and this team is trying for some reason to save money and not win!
The new regimes refused to spend or keep their best players. They don't try to bring in stars or even do things themselves. That's because the NFL has some say in the team and when I see the posts saying how Al did things to ruin this team I can't believe how naive and silly you guys have been over the years to think a new regime/ NFL who hated Al would willingly build a winning team for Raidernation without a very good reason. And that its been bad decisions and not the NFL/ owners who have this team doing the same thing but why would they do it?
And you guys say the most silly things about Al when you know he was building and even if he suddenly lost you don't lost that much for nine years and NFL way isn't the only way to win.
* Don't think Sean Peyton is a bad HC, those Broncos have an outstanding D
NO! you don't blame the owners in this new era! you blame the coaches/ GMs'
Just like Al shared in the blame for horrible coaches and rosters, Mark shares in the blame. He let go of Bisaccia to bring in Ziegler and McDum-dum. He let go of Reggie McKenzie to let Gruden have his way. He allowed Gruden to rid of Mack, Cooper, and Crabtree; a few they could have built around. He allowed Carr to go to replace him with Jummy Crappolo.
Mark shares in these things, and in the end, he is the common denominator.
Never thought that Gruden or McDum-dum was the answer, and never will. Going to be a long season, another one of deep heartbreak for a team that once was. Something has to give...
Al Davis used to say the Raiders were "The team of the decades"
Well, Mark Davis has come up with his first slogan. The Raiders are now "The team with no home games"
Great job Mark!!!
Nate Tice
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Cowboys defense vs. 29 1st/2nd down designed runs with Johnathan Hankins: 65.5%, which would rank 13th.
Cowboys defense vs. 17 1st/2nd down designed runs without Hankins: 58.2%, which would rank 29th.
(Small sample size, noise with on/off splits caveats yadda yadda)
Raider Nate, other Anon,
No, he doesn't he told you I'm not a GM or an ex-HC and I didn't(maybe) really hang around my dad learning about football!
And I let the coaches coach!
Now Raidernation! that's what you wanted!
An owner who doesn't 'meddle'!
That's what the NFL/ owners wanted! owners don't mess with their coaches!
No, Al would've TOLD the Pats' guys to spend and bring in talent even if its' their guys or else he will.
Al would have TOLD Reggie don't get rid of all the talent he bought he has the right to get rid of some of them and bring in his guys but not just getting rid of guys to save money.
He would've told Gruden to run it his way with him giving Gruden advise and making SOME decisions but he would've told Gruden to spend and bring in some big, faster players too. He would've been o.k. with average players but he'd tell him to use the size and speed too and don't let the NFL/ Patriots' way run his show, if he wanted to use that system maybe fine but don't let it run your show.
He'd be asking for top D-linemen and DBs' and he would tell D. Allen to keep his players and J. Del Rio to be a leader and let his(Al's) scouts build a defense.
Al wouldn't be as bad as you think and his teams would be talented and have good assistants. Al would've bought in talent and he wouldn't let the NFL ADVISE him on doing things and not winning with it in a short time. We'd be going through tough times with an owner who wouldn't let the NFL come into Raiders but we'd have a team at least trying to win and not trying to get hype from the media/NFL.
Al Anon you are correct in your last post. Al for sure would never have allowed the Raiders to go into a season with such pathetic talent in the trenches. For sure he would have spent some money on Big Time free agents. He also for sure would have taken Jalen Carter over this Wilson piece of garbage. Sandy
Raiders posted a 2-14 season, and multiple 4-12 and 5-11 seasons during Al's so-called "9-year slump". If Al were playing Wheel of Fortune during that period, he couldn't even buy a vowel.
It boils down to coaching and winning close games. Two years ago the Raiders won close games with less talent than they have now. Last year, McDaniels first with the Raiders, they blew 5 double-digit leads. Sunday, he kicked a FG when he needed a TD. McDaniels can talk about execution until he turns purple, in order for the Raiders to be better, he needs to be better. Otherwise, this team will suffer more years resembling Al's "slump."
NY in every decade Al was in charge of the team they made the conference Championship at a minimum or the Super Bowl. During the seventies and eighties they were excellent the best teams in Sports. They had a number of bad years in the 90s and in the 2000s but still made the playoffs went to the conference Championship and to a Super Bowl I'd be happy to take that kind of record these days. I'll let his least successful was wildly more successful than what's happened since he died . Sandy
Geez, Sandy, even with "decade" argument, there's no escaping the epic failures after Al traded Gruden. Lumping those years in with a SB appearance doesn't tell the whole story. Under Al's direction, the Raiders followed the SB with 4-12 and descended to 2-14. It took eight seasons before the Raiders could eclipse five wins.
Careful what you wish for.
Rapaport quoted as saying Jimmy G likely out this week with a concussion.
So, don't expect things to get any better.
IMO, Hoyer is a sure loss. O'Connell might put up a fight. Either way, it's not looking good.
Chandler Jones' situation just got more bizarre. He posted on Twitter a letter he has written that 5 to 7 people from LV Police and Fire showed up at his home, claiming people were worried about his mental health, they injected him and put him in a mental facility against his will. It seems he has been there a week, and continues to claim that there is nothing wrong with him mentally; and posted a schedule of what he has been doing every day and weekends.
This is crazy stuff. If it is true he was taken against his will like that, he needs to hire an attorney. Where is his agent in all of this too? He talks in his letter about calling Ziegler, who doesn't answer his calls. Why is he not talking to his agent, or an attorney at this point? I'd be pissed and suing everyone at this point. It is the weirdest series of events that no reporter is even digging, or even reaching out to Chandler about. I'd be at his house doing a one-on-one interview.
NY, you always cherry pick with Al Davis you don't measure a team by a couple of years. In the last 11 years of Al's career which were arguably his worst. The Raiders made the playoffs three times won 5 playoff games went to two conference championships in one Super Bowl. In the 13 years since he's been gone they have made two wild card games and lost both. I think I take Al's worst 11 years any day. I think we can all agree that Gruden did a much better job with the teams than the current regime is doing and is Head and Shoulders above McDaniels as a coach. Sandy
A couple years? Not sure about your math. 8 straight seasons at five wins or less is not cherry picking.
In terms of taking Al's worst over McDaniels, I'll stick with McDaniels. Sure, I'm disappointed in (and very critical of) the results so far but we're not steeped in the dysfunction of Al's final years. I'm hoping Zeigler and McDaniels sill have something to show us.
If Garoppolo can't go this week, I hope it's O'Connell over Hoyer. Hoyer is irrelevant.
Let's continue the Jalen CArter versus Tyree Wilson watch. LAst Game Wilson no stats nothing not one tackle also played less than Koonce. Jalen carter 2 tackles, alf a sack and 2 forced fumbles also drew countless double teams. Imagine what MAxx could be doing with someone like that on the inside. This is almost as bad a draft blunder as Fabian Wshington over Aaron Rogers.
Sandy
Carter looks like a baller, and so does the 2nd rounder in Pittsburgh. Wilson may still be suffering from illness, and possibly his foot injury... which he may never fully recover. Dude has all the measurables. He's big and athletic and has a long reach.
New York I actually disagree whether he has all the measurables. He might have the height and the reach but he never worked out at the combine so God knows what his true measurables are in terms of the 40 and Cone drill. IAnother reason why Ziegler should be fired for drafting him. the man drafted an injured player who was a project in the top 10 on a rebuilding team the Raiders have no such luxury. Sandy
We all know the Raiders have a history of drafting injured and stupid. Remember DJ Hayden?
Your point is well taken. I have no idea the thought process for Wilson over Carter.
However, Wilson is 6'6" 275 lbs. He had 61 tackles in 10 games last year with 7 sacks and 14 tackles for loss. Those are really good numbers. Wilson had 1 forced fumble and 0 passes defended.
Carter played in all 13 games last year and recorded 32 tackles with 3 sacks and 7 TFL. He also has 2 forced fumbles and 3 passes defended... which is impressive for a big guy.
Either of these guys had the stats. Raiders chose edge over interior. Not sure why, but they needed both... still do!
NY also you should add in to your comparison one played in the SEC and the other played in the Big 12 huge huge difference in competion.
Jalen Carter has the best odds of winning defensive rookie of the year at 250 to 1. Tyree Wilson is 2,500 to 1.
The Raiders problems run much deeper than just this issue but man I sat there watching the draft praying for CArter and I know we would all feel better if w ehad a second pro bowler on the line.
Sandy
Other Anon and Raider Nate,
Wow! what is C. Jones talking about now? Wow! What is he doing now! is he being followed by people! did something really happen at Raiders' HQ? He needs to say something and talk to a lawyer or police!
Look the Raiders don't build across their line you get the help they have, they aren't going to spend on help! It was a character decision they made on J. Carter, not just looking for another edge rusher.
Hey, WWII and is still alive born in 1924 and is still alive! So? Well go outside, call a friend, give to a charity and keep supporting your favorite team(s), watch out for your neighbors and family(ies), take a break from work, house keeping or go for a short ride somewhere or go to a place were you can walk and still run errands or just talk to friends, family or people at places you are just riding around visiting or just calling people at your job site or a store when you can/ need to talk with them to just say hello.
This is a must read if you followed the Raiders over the past 20+ years. You will understand this fan's frustration and perhaps relate, as I do. It definitely hit home.
Cut & paste this URL:
https://tinyurl.com/su6c72m8
My favorite line perhaps isn't from the fan (author of the letter), but the author (presenter) of the article.
"The solution to the problem is simple in theory, but one that no one in the last 20 years has been able to figure out."
No truer words have been spoken. Seems so simple, yet...
I will add this, unlike this fan, I saw the Raiders win. Once upon a time, they were fierce competitors. But that's been lost for so long, it's barely ineligible to anyone outside the circle of old timers.
One more. This is depressing but carries a lot of quotes and weight about the Raiders mindset right now. McDaniels is failing the team.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/mcdaniels_in_danger_of_losing_more_than_to_the_bolts/s1_16640_39312686
Biggest takeaway for me, besides the firsthand sentiments of key players, is that McDaniels was heavily criticized for making his players work harder than any team, yet his coaching, playcalling and decision-making remain below that standard.
NY this article covers the coaching which has been atrocious but the personell decisions are equally as bad. Other than the Davante acquistion can oyu name one personell move that the new regime has made that has improved the team?
Sandy
I appreciate the question, as it's not obvious. However, there are a few.
Jakobi Meyers is a big upgrade from Hollins. Perhaps the most notable improvement.
Dylan Parham and Jermaine Eluemunor helped stabilize the O-line. Munford too. The two RTs helped pick up from a total miss with Leatherwood (and Parker). Johnson is a monster at FB. There are a few depth players too.
Before you ask, I have no idea why a league-leading O-line can no longer run block. Coaching, maybe?
Bennett might end up being a baller at CB. And Peters is an upgrade. Otherwise, defense is a total miss. Two years and minimal, if any, improvement in personnel or scheme. I mostly blame Patrick Graham. He sucks!
McDaniels kicking a FG instead of going on 4th down for an 8-pt score would have been a fireable offense later in the season. But three games in, it's a tough call. That was not a small gaffe. After coaching like a rookie last year, McDaniels looks no better this year.
Is Rich Bisaccia available?
NY, Eluemonur was from the Gruden regime. Agree on Meyers but wasting Renfrow washes that. Alec Ingold who they let go and has since made 2 pro bowls is far superior to Johnson so that's a downgrade. Parham is a below average starter. Peter's now you are reaching. Sandy
I guess they brought back Eluemunor. Definitely more bad than good. Nichols and Tillery lead the list of duds. Both suck. Apparently, Chandler Jones' issue may predate his being signed by the Raiders, which makes signing him to a big contract look even worse. Now they appear to be playing games with him, sending a crisis team to his house and putting him on non-injured leave. I hate to say but we don't honestly know if they are genuinely concerned about him or just trying to get out of paying him.
Meanwhile, Wilson is a non-factor. Hopefully, that's illness and injury recovery, because he was getting thrown around. I wouldn't want to be Wilson during the playback of that performance.
Week 4 is already urgent. No surprise, I guess. If Garoppolo can't go there is no good choice. Hoyer is a sure loser against LAC, but playing O'Connell over the vet may appear to be a surrender of the entire season for key vets like Adams and Crosby.
The Raiders can't win on or off the field.
NY, We knew coming into the season not to expect much, what is disheartening is there does not seem to be one piece of good news or progress. The team seems to somehow gotten worse than last year. How in the world did the Raiders go from 10 wins and the playofs to 14 months ago to this?
Sandy
Not to pile on, but we are also learning Garoppolo is no better (possibly worse) than Carr in running McDaniels offense.
Also, I look at this latest debacle as a real and immediate concern, with McDaniels unable to recognize critical game situations. The call for a FG instead of a 4th down attempt to convert a TD with time expiring was ridiculous. He avoided an opportunity to tie and pinned the outcome on his horrible defense. Nobody else makes that call.
If McDaniels gets fired by Zeigler or Davis, he will never be a head coach again.
With that in mind, I'm sure he's doing his best... which is scary by itself.
I think it has gotten worse even that that. With Davante's comments after the game that he doesn't have time to wait around a whole season to figure this out; and then Maxx coming out yesterday saying he agrees with Davante; I think Josh is on the verge of losing his locker room as head coach. Hondo Carpenter, who is usually positive with his articles; lit up McDaniels yesterday with his article. He talked about how an NFL Executive texted him during the game questioning the call to go for a FG over a TD. Yes, you needed 2 scores to win, but you always go for a TD. You can read it here:
https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/josh-mcdaniels-bill-belichick-tom-brady-las-vegas-raiders-maxx-crosby-davante-adams
Raiders in and out of the news this week, and its not good. I really am comparing Josh McDaniels to Lane Kiffin here. Something not right with this coach, and he has lost his veteran leadership.
Now Chandler is back on IG and Twitter claiming Josh McDaniels had Aaron Hernandez killed when he was out of jail. Dude, this is getting bizarre.
You have to question the whole logic of the 2023 Raiders draft.
Why are they picking TE's, WR's, and and Qb O'Connell who will be a career backup at best.
Whole world knew Raiders needed defense, they should have picked more defense players. Maybe get lucky and a couple turn out good or better.
I was very vocal prior to draft. I said trade down a few spots, and take Lucas Van Ness. Van Ness has a great motor, hustles, and seems to love to play. Raiders could of had another Crosby like high energy guy on the D.
Oh well, maybe Wilson will get a sack before season is over.
Nate, don't insult Lane Kiffin. I don't recall Kiffin ever making a serious on-field mistake like this. Kiffin's biggest failure was disagreeing with Davis about drafting JaMarcus Russell and trying to exercise his own will as HC.
McDaniels potentially cost the Raiders a game. He has demonstrated some contrition for his mistake, but the fact he didn't know better should concern everyone.
NY Raider, Raider Nate,
The Raiders need to trade some guys and start playing to the the talent they do have which is far less then you want to admit.
You need to start asking why the NFL isn't trying to find out what's going on now? You think them saying nothing is a good sign?
What if we were to start winning? do you think they'd keep quiet or would they fire the Pat's guys or harass the team through all kinds of press conferences and some at Raiders' HQ, NFL calls and execs wanting unofficial invasions of Raiders' HQ to ask questions and through the media? right when we were winning! stop our drive for the playoffs!
No, there not saying anything now! but wait until the end of the season! All wow! all kinds of media stories about weird and strange things happening at Raiders' HQ! NFL people and media going to Raiders' HQ saying all kinds of things about the team that was is being said by C. Jones who allegedly is saying happened.
Dude, hopefully, you're not serious. That's not steeped in reality.
Nobody from NFL is going to call the Raiders, win or lose. They are all alone in this moment, just like they were when Al was driving the bus.
And, FYI, Chandler Jones is not a source for anything. He just called out Josh McDaniels for having his former teammate Aaron Hernandez killed. If you don't know who Hernandez is, you can google it. Obviously, Jones is suffering from bi-polar disorder, which is what Barrett Robbins had.
Apparently, your conspiracies have no limits as to content or source.
NY I have not seen McDaniels contrite in the least on the fg call. I hope in private he went to DAvis and said I screwed up its on me. If not and I was Davis he would already be fired.
Ghost good point on the draft Tucker, O'Connell seem like wasted pics. Meyers I doubt he is the next Bavaro or evenEthan Horton. They did not need to trade down they could hav etaken Jalen CArter who will be a pro bowler without a doubt and probalby a top 5 DT for the next 10 years
Sandy
He was challenged in his presser, rightly so, and he did not entirely defend his decision. Maybe I overstated it with "contrite"
I agree with the sentiment about the draft. I think we all said "go defense or go home." I was as shocked as anyone we drafted a TE in the 2nd round, but TE became a position of need when they Moreau walk and traded Waller for peanuts. Hard to tell the Raiders even have a TE on their roster currently. Nobody's home!
That goes to Garoppolo's narrow vision. He can't find anyone but Adams and Meyers.
How about what McDaniels has done to Renfrow 2 years ago he was the best slot receiver in tge league now he gets one target a game. Sandy
McDaniels has jumped the shark at the slot position. Patriots used slot often, with all the great slot receivers they've had.
My theory is that Renfrow is a secondary target, so he's no longer getting looks because Garoppolo can't get through his reads. Also, I imagine Renfrow's patterns are more defined because McDaniels is a micromanager. Renfrow's strength is improvising, which he and Carr were good at. Like Carr, his best bet is probably to be traded or released.
Chandler Jones was arrested. His days as a Raider are as good as over. There's probably no returning from all that's happened.
Time for Tyree Wilson to really step up. So far, he's grading as the worst edge player in the NFL through 3 weeks, including all rookies with minimum 25 pass rushes. A few more weeks of that and he could end up being a real embarrassment. Another Cle Ferrell, maybe worse! Ferrell was probably a more rounded player out of college.
NY, If only there was a DT tackle we could have drafted who would have been an impact payer from game 1---wait there was lol
Sandy
Sandy, only one? Apparently, every rookie who has 25+ pass rushing plays under his belt has graded higher. That's a depressing stat.
Here's the kicker. Like Ferrell, Wilson relies on power to get to the QB, but I read that Ferrell scored much higher at bench press... which implies he's a lot stronger than Wilson. Maybe a stupid stat but maybe not if you're game is power or bust.
Perhaps the one x-factor the Raiders have right now is leadership in the locker room. I don't remember the Raiders having 3 guys with stronger work ethic and leadership skills (at least in the past 20 years) than Adams, Crosby and Jacobs. These guys are the heartbeat of the team.
Assuming Garoppolo plays, he needs to be better, and the offense needs to be more dynamic. 15-16 pts a game is a joke. The Dolphins just dialed up 70 pts. Both lines need to play better. Raiders are bringing in backups for interior D because the starters have grossly underperformed. I expect the same for Wilson on the edge. Time to let someone else give it a try.
I guess it's no surprise the Raider enter Week 4 with season-breaking urgency.
If you listen to McDaniels pressers, he's one of the most cerebral HCs I can remember. But that's clearly not enough. Of course no HC is up there giving away their game plan. But there is something missing in Raiders game planning and play calling, on both sides. Graham dialed up more blitzes, but they are not smart enough about their approach, or they just have incredibly bad timing. I believe the players support the coaches, so there' still hope.
NY, you know what's crazy in 12 months the Raiders have lost Gruden, Carr, Ruggs Bisacia and 13 games. Sandy
NY Raider and other Anon,
the Raiders:
Tillery/ our best chance for an inside pass rush.
Koonce/ our best chance for a rest for Crosby and Rochelle
Willis/ our second best pass rusher that they won't let play! He's on the practice squad.
Deablo/ has played good not great and they really need to find an OLB that can rush the cover receivers.
Spillane/ he is o.k. is isn't a star.
Bennett/ he needs help to learn the game and the Raiders need to teach him.
Moehrig/ he is a young player and isn't playing like a star but he might be a better player now. the Raiders need to make him stay on the practice field with old vets and coaches to learn more about the position. he needs to stay longer at practice to learn to play better.
Chandler released that was a 54 million well spent lo. O'Connel starting today
Sandy
Tillery, again?
If Tillery was the Raiders best chance for interior pass rush, he'd get more snaps. As it is, they're rotating him with Butler and Jenkins (maybe others) because he's been ineffective. The Raiders already seem desperate to replace him.
All Dave Zeigler had to do was read Chargers fan reactions when Tillery was released by the Chargers. That would have saved the Raiders time and money.
Worse, Zeigler didn't heed the lessons from last year which Tillery did nothing for the Raiders except cost them the SF game with a stupid penalty. Re-signing Tillery was one of the biggest blunders so far in Zeigler's short GM career... and that's saying a lot.
My sincere hope is that Tillery goes out today against his former team (and Chargers fans who trashed him on blogs) and proves me wrong. But he won't.
Aiden O'Connell to start. I love this kid but, Geez! Already?
Makes me really question why the Raiders carried 3 QBs on their initial roster instead of retaining one of the two young upstart players they lost from their practice squad. They could have called Hoyer back at any time.
Have the Raiders hit rock bottom after 3 games to now pin their hopes for the entire 2023 season on a rookie 4th round pick, with no direction or future for this team?
O'Connell might hit it out of the park, but this is where we are right now. It's unfortunate but is there anyone who didn't know this would happen? Garoppolo has never played a full season in his career.
If the Raiders lose today (honestly, how can they win?), they may already be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Adams isn't gonna like that. Adams and Jacobs may be as good as gone.
Bottom line, it can get much worse before it gets better. Who knows if McDaniels can survive it.
NY, Seeing what we got in AOC is not a bad thing as it will help inform if the Raiders need to draft a QB next year, in my opnion yes Caleb or Maye would be great. Tillery was a mistake but it ranks well behind Chandler Jones, Derek Carr leaving for nothing, Wilson drafted insead of Carter, not addressing the o line I could go on. McDaniels has to go
Sandy
You're ahead of me on giving up on Wilson. And I'm not sure that O'Connell can do anything to shift the needle on drafting a franchise QB, if they have access.
AOC looks like a 4th round pick, defense is putrid. Tillery personal foul. Adams injured. At least they have a home crowd advantage for once. Sandy
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