Sunday, October 30, 2022

Saints Gameday Thread

Is it possible to say that the Raiders have momentum at 2-4? I believe so. They've won two out of three, and lost the other by one point to the Chiefs. If they win today, we should be feeling a lot better in the wake of a disastrous start to the season. Let's go RAIDERS!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Momentum not with McDaniels calling plays. 3 and 1 end around to Adams followed by fake punt. Completely changed tone of game 17-0 already what a disgrace. Sandy

10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We effed

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raiders have not crossed midfield and there is 4 minutes left. McDaniels is a complete loser.He has taken a team that won 10 games last year and made them into one of the worst in the league. What a terrible hire. Can't lead, can't inspire Raiders fans and Carr deserve better. Sandy

12:34 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Davante Adams: one catch, three yards. You can't make this up.

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a disaster. Who says we need to wait on this regime? It looks so much like the time Josh coached the Donkies. I held out hope that he had matured into a HC, WRONG.

Who is the dummy that said he will be so much better than the last guy? Where is he? Embarrassing, shameful, disgusting, ridiculous.

Saints were stacking the line all game and there were no long bombs from the Raiders to back them off, basic coaching strategy.

Saints Offense were only their running back and a backup QB who would run the ball from shotgun formation. With a few 10 yrd outs thrown in to keep them honest. And still, the coaching does nothing to defend it. Put a spy on the RB, key on the QB who runs out of shotgun, DB's needed to be playing tight coverage, looking to jump the short routes, basic coaching that was not done.

Another season down the toilet with no solutions in sight, Carr looks completely lost and has the look of giving up. And who could blame him, this Raider franchise has done nothing for his career, meanwhile, Carr has given everything to a loser org that can never get it's act together.

Gruden had made Sundays interesting again, and now, we are back to garbage ball. Inconsistent, from the top to the bottom, lack of preparation, lack of commitment.

If the team gives it it's all, including the coaching, and loses, that is livable, but losing they way they lost today, unacceptable. And if it is acceptable in that dressing room, forget about it.

1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rodgers made a living off of throwing to Adams with one on one coverage, why is Derek not doing it? Stats show Carr is very effective vs zone coverage and not very effective in man to man coverage.

Carr looks lost out there, the backup QB looked more composed and more in command of what he was doing when he was playing in the 4th qrtr.

Maybe Carr has hit a wall, every Sunday, he has to basically win the game himself because of the lack of defense, year after year. He has been tossed around to multiple regimes and had to adapt to new wr's every year. I feel bad for him and I really wish he would just lose it and go into pissed off mode with the team, Mark, media etc. This team needs another do over. Carr deserves something stable during his career, he has never had it with the Raiders.


1:35 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

In a word, disgraceful!

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I stopped wasting my time on the NFL at large over the last decade. I check in here occasionally. Its a business now more than ever. But so popular. Still an interest in Raiderball but mostly for comedy.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would anyone have a problem with Mark firing McDaniels right now? Sandy

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Who is the one team who progressively has gotten worse the last 2 decades? That's right, the Raiders. Not the Lions, not the Browns, the Raiders! The sickness on this team starts with ownership. Not the look one wants coming off a playoff year. 2-5, and we just got shut out by a Dennis Allen, Andy Dalton led Saints team. Andy Dalton has not lost in his career against the Raiders. STUPID!!!! I'm beyond disappointed with this team and this season. I will be on here in and out, but my season is done. Last one, shoot the lights out.

2:20 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Perhaps most disturbing was the palpable lack of fundamentals, courage or effort (whatever it was) on the defensive tackling side of things. To me, that indicates something deep in the core of this team. Am I wrong?

3:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I don't know what to think after that display. Not sure Mark Davis has egg on his face just yet, but that was a major spanking and embarrassment to the organization... potentially a season-changing event. Not sure how you come back from that.

That's the worst game since 2019 when the then-lowly Jets spanked the Raiders in NJ 34-3. Gruden and Carr were equally as bad in that game. But this isn't 2019. It's three years later.


The end-around that got stuffed... I am thoroughly sick of that play.

Game Prep = F
Play-calling = F
Game adjustments = F
Player Effort = F


There can be no excuse.

There's still a day until the Nov 1st trade deadline for the Raiders to orchestrate a couple trades and start planning for next year.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Ghost Ship said...

Adam Gase,(without Peyton Manning), I'd like you to meet Josh McDaniel,(without Tom Brady).

it really is the same thing, isn't it ??

5:16 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

McDaniels did fairly well with a rookie QB last year, but he had a defense. This year, he has no defense, aside from Crosby doing the work of two people. Graham is part of the problem. And without Hobbs, the D backfield is worthless.

The Raiders got snakebit in this game, against a former Raiders HC. When have we ever seen that play out to the Raiders advantage? Also, Carr and the Raiders are notoriously bad on fake turf. Without knowing all the nuances, I think they wear a different shoe, etc. Not trying to excuse their performance, just a semblance of understanding it.

Hindsight being 20/20, IMO the Raiders should have played more jumbo packages and pounded the ball with Jacobs. Draw defenders to the LOS then throw the ball to Adams.

On the other hand, having all the weapons Carr has makes no difference when he can't set and throw, let alone scan the field. By comparison, Dalton had all day because the Raiders couldn't touch him.

The Raiders combination of DTs signed in the offseason had no chance of rushing the QB.

The Raiders season pretty much ended with their faceplant on Sunday. I don't see how any team could recover from that.

A clown car game for sure, second one of McDaniels short Raiders HC stay.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Snake bit? Out coached by Dennis Allen, that speaks volumes. Blaming the turf and shoes, well, who are the dummies that wore those shoes? And why aren't the coaches on top of that? Again, unprepared and uncommitted, comes from the top down.

Understanding it means the team is in shambles again. It means the new regime is already in hot water. And it's showing that this new regime doesn't know what to do about it.

The Saints started the game stacking the LOS. There was no need to draw them in, coach Josh just kept trying to dink and dunk instead of spreading the field. Coaching should have been waiting for a team to stack the LOS because of Jacobs being on fire lately. And, having a game plan ready to counter what the other team was going to do. There was nothing, coach Josh was shooting blanks.

Both the O-line and D-line were manhandled all day long. The team didn't come ready to play and the coaches were brain dead. Epic failure all the way round.

This team showed so much heart and character last year, that is a faded memory now. I see a team that seems to be confused and disheartened. Throwing up their hands after 6 games and saying, I quit, that is what it looked like on Sunday.

9:25 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Listen to the interviews with Carr, Crosby and Adams after the game. It doesn't sound like the team has quit. Sounds like they are not practicing with urgency and that manifested itself into the game. That's on the coaches, along with their terrible play-calling.

We went through all this with Gruden too, e.g., unpreparedness, poor play-calling, etc. But it's fair to believe we shouldn't have to do it all over again.

This is a regression nobody could have predicted.

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actions speak a lot louder than words. Clinging to quotes and cliches as proof of anything, isn't a winning strategy. Seeing what is happening on the field come Sunday, that is where the truth lies.

There were some who predicted that McDaniels would be the same as his last stint in Denver. I know that I claimed he was more mature and ready for the role, doesn't look that way, does it? Josh had a sweet gig in N.E., it would seem he isn't far off from going back there again.

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When Gruden became HC, he was coming back from a very long layoff and was joining a team that was 6-10. Gruden saw the roster had to be redone and of course it would take a while for Gruden to find his equilibrium again.

McDaniels was supposed to be an upgrade and he was taking over a team that went to the playoffs and that had built very good chemistry and momentum. Not the same situation as what Gruden had to deal with. How bout just taking McDaniels for what he is and stop comparing him to a different situation that is not equal?

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Not practicing with urgency is quitting. The coaches have quit on them, and they have quit on these coaches. What made McDaniels successful as an OC is the ability to create plays to the strength of his players. He is not doing that here. Patrick Graham is trying to set schemes that outsmarts himself and his players, and paralyzes them. Graham has to go. Mick Lombardi as OC has to go. 20+ years of this crap, and 38 years since hoisting the Lombardi trophy; and every year we hear just how close we are to turning the corner and lifting the trophy again; and then we come out misfiring and look like a bunch of pee-wee football players. Can't block, can't pressure the QB, can't pass, can't catch, can't get past the 50 yardline, can't score, can't do anything right. The problem is that was with the #3 offense in the league that just got blanked by a struggling Saints defense. While the Raiders defense made ANDY DALTON look like Tom Brady. Bring back Del Rio, Musgrave, and Reggie McKenzie. Only difference, hire Wade Phillips as DC.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Del Rio, come on man, much like McDaniels, he isn't a HC. He lost the team, it was only a few years ago, remember?

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McDaniels and Ziegler are losers. Everyone knows Carr needs a solid online to succeed and they totally ignored that so bizarre. Gruden was a far superior coach to McDaniels he had Carr improving each year. Sandy

6:03 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Saints game was a defining moment. The obvious takeaway is that McDaniels is possibly over his head as an NFL HC. Whatever the case, the Raiders clearly don't have the personnel to run the plays they are running, e.g., insanely stupid sweeps with Adams, time-consuming check downs for Carr, complicated zone coverage defense, etc.

Graham has already benched Abram and Moehrig from starting safety roles in an attempt to bolster coverage schemes. Neither attempt has worked. We've seen Chandler Jones and other D-linemen backpedal into coverage way too much. Even when the Raiders blitz, they can't get pressure.

It's downright ugly on both sides of the ball.

If McDaniels isn't calling plays, maybe it's time he does. His job is on the line. Also, maybe Derek Carr needs to sit for a game. Stidham was the only QB to breach the 50-yard line on Sunday. That's a benchable offense for any NFL QB... I don't care who. And I would guess that Adams is equally frustrated with Carr and McDaniels.

This season is quickly becoming a train wreck.

8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, you missing Gruden yet. If they had only hired Harbaugh. McDaniels has no fire. Sandy

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They(NFL, media, some fans) said:

No, Carr has been a quiet leader on the media and ownership except for a few times he got upset. He keeps having to go through the same things. He isn't elite but nobody should have to deal with the situation.

* We're worse than Detroit and Cleveland?:

that's bad! yea, we had some bad years
but let me tell you- when these 2 are bad you can tell- you can see were the problems are. Well, Al's era where would you start? Maybe we didn't have a steady QB but any decent 1 had so much talent around them they could win. The Raiders had talent, they just stopped winning.

In the late 90's Detroit lost B. Sanders and the Browns just got restarted as an expansion team and its' been hard for both to win. The Raiders were rolling, they hired Gruden and signed Gannon and Al got a lot of talent for them.

When these teams won:

Lions(50's and 90's)

Browns(50's. 60's and 80's)

Raiders(60's, 70's, 80's, early 90's and early 00's)

It seems the league doesn't really care about these 2 cities/ teams. They play in big markets and big stadiums. PARITY helps sometimes but they keep losing. Is it some kind of bias against those cities? The Lions and Browns are to blame for most of it and have been losing for decades but the NFL just seems ignore and not try to help those areas.

* This again, is what the media told you:

1. with Al gone now we can build a real football team.

2. a modern GM and front office was all the Raiders needed to win and get out of the 'mess' created by Al.

3. getting high-character, average, smart, tough and passionate players(like the Patriots who stole elite players from Raiders) is more successful than bigger, faster, athletic players(Al) you either pick high or draft lower and try to coach up.

4. a new stadium would make the Raiders more and more for star free agents.

* The Raiders did what the league wanted so why are they talking about even more changes? Is it the owners fault the team is losing? How? if they don't make the decisions? Why do the Raiders listen to the NFL then get attacked by them/ media later in the season or when they lose games?

Somebody doesn't want us to win with the Davis family still in control of Raiders.

the Pats' guys are playing games they can't be that bad. if they aren't doing more to win than something is wrong off the field.

just why are the Raiders losing after 19 years? if something isn't really wrong with the NFL and whoever

what did Vegas do for us than take more of our money and hope?

You really believe the Pats' guys couldn't prepare better for a game? Wow! could it be that somebody wants the Raiders' to keep losing and look bad to make pressuring them to bring in new stake holders make sense to Raidernation?

* Raider Nate: What does ownership have to do with coaching? You had an owner who knew how to run a football team and the media said that's why you're losing and you believed that stuff. Listen, Robert Kraft hired Bellichick and Jerry Jones hired Jimmy Johnson but they didn't or may've(until Al schooled Jones) knew nothing about football. There's only a few teams whose owners' can make moves(Al's Raiders, Buss family, J. Jones and the Rooneys) No, Raiders' ownership is the best thing we have going for us because new owners aren't going to support Raidernation- but anybody willing to spend in Vegas and at the stadium.

11:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, I am stunned at the incompetence we've witnessed. The team definitely needs a Gruden-style kick in the ass. Maybe Davis should suspend his HC and QB for a week.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, it is so depressing. I don't think I have witnessed a loss that bad since the 90s. Consider the fact that this year the Raiders for the first time in history blew a 17 point lead and got shut out for the first time in 8 years it is just brutal for us fans. At least during the mid 90s, Sparano, Allen and early Gruden II years there was a lack of talent. This year they have a top 10 QB, top 3 DE, top WR in football, top 3 TE, top 5 slot WR etc etc that is what makes it so painful. Not sure what happens next. I really believe the team has talent and would hate to see a rebuild take place.


1:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

If the players have quit on the coaches, as some fans believe, I don't think we should expect much this week or after. With 10 games remaining, it will be a challenge for McDaniels just to keep his job. Certainly not how I expected this season to play out.

McDaniels probably has the acumen to be a great HC but, apparently, he is missing the Rich Bisaccia factor, i.e., the guy who players love and want to go to war for/with.

4:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anybody see Ziegler's press conference today. The guy is completely full of shit. Some examples are he said Josh McDaniels helped a bunch of players improve such as Moerig, Moreau, Diablo, James and elemenour. Last I checked all those guys are the same or playing like crap. His entire tone was that they're learning about the team and that this is a rebuilding year. That's a far cry from two months ago when he said this team can win now. He also defended Chandler Jones saying he's playing well getting a lot of double teams in other players have to capitalize on it. Either he's an idiot and was actually talking about Crosby or he's blind. Chandler Jones is being decent against the run but otherwise has done terribly. Sandy

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get more info on the vaccines for Coronavirus because there have been some big issues with them.

Don't forget the hungry and needy this holiday season.

If you are needy don't forget about the food banks, clothing or housing programs. Try to call them before December.

Hey, you got all those old Raiders' clothes if you want to donate to a charity, friends or people in the neighborhood then find out what you can do.

Hey, make sure you buy or use things to fight the flu and colds. Make sure you have medicines for aches and colds and if you have breathing diseases make sure you have your medicines before '22 is over and it gets very cold.

Don't forget the Ukraine and pray and send something for them.

* The Raiders fans deserve a discount and should ask Vegas to discount season tickets.

The Raiders should've traded some of their players but they keep making excuses. No team can keep losing for 19 years. Is there some reason they are letting this team look bad? Is it to get more NFL people to get in Raiders?

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I saw the presser Sandy,
I was all for this hire. I praised MD for the choice when he made it, and was truly excited about it because they all swore this wasn't a rebuild, it was going to be an improvement on what happened last season.
Yet, here we are at 2-5, and it seems the Raiders have digressed the hardest they have ever digressed these last 20+ years. Ziegler said that he was "impressed" with how Josh is handling a 2-5 record. WHAT? I'm not impressed, I'm pissed! He also said they are looking at a long-term picture, not a "win now" picture; which is completely different than what they were saying before the season started.
There is no sense of urgency with this team or ownership. They are no longer Committed to Excellence, they are no longer committed to winning. Ziegler's presser today was an example of that, with his non-chalant "nothing-to-see-here" attitude for the state of the Raiders. In one way he is right, there is nothing to see here; and I won't be watching anymore.

12:19 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"All is well" is hard to reconcile with Mark Davis and Josh McDaniels having two closed door meetings following horrific losses, including a blowout loss against the lowly Saints. Is Zeigler gaslighting us? Even the big picture looks bleak if players are quitting.

If he can't be honest and at least admit expectations were higher, he has no business being in front of a microphone. We fans are already getting our asses kicked, don't insult us too!

1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate well written post, you are right Ziegler was almost dismissive (nothing to see here) of what is going on. I get he wants to appear professional and poised but God damn it I want to see some anger and passion. Al never would have stood for this. Sandy

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Ghost Ship said...

When the ship is sinking the captain should remain calm...and go down with the ship!

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The ship isn't sinking anymore. It has sunk, and the captain is in the water splashing around for someone to rescue him.

8:47 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Ray Guy died.

If you watched Ray Guy punt during his NFL career, you watched a strong and proud Raiders team, not like the team we've had to endure over the past 20 years.


10:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moreau has been on the bench and he played good against the Saints.

No, you have good point but it looks like there is some kind of attitude that changing everything will bring success.

The Pats' guys did what Reggie did to Al's team and Gruden did to Reggie's.

The NFL wants all 32 teams to play PARITY except the 1's used by corporations and the league to promote it.

Al Davis, Eddie D. and J. Jones refused to accept that and tried to win and dominate.

The very idea that the groups/ orgs. that hated Al could make the Raiders a better team now just looks ridiculous.

These 3 owners want the money and power(team value and big stadiums) but they wanted to win too and that's the difference between them and this new NFL.

But I think its' more about this teams' future than its' present. They seem to be unhappy with ownership and maybe they just don't want to help the Raiders even though they keep doing things that make it look like they want to help but seem to only helping the NFL and corporations and they don't mind if the team loses but make money for them.

Ray Guy passed away this week!

Ray Guy was 1 of the best players in NFL history. He was 1 of the 1st players that I knew because of the incredible things he did with a football.

He is truly a player that is a true H.O.F.'er.

When Al drafted him in the 1st round he got 1 of the best players in NFL history. The Raiders had the best special teams in NFL history and despite the fans' support to put the QB 1st proved special teams are very important and something that proved Al was a genius and that special teams could help a team win.

Al made lots of strange and risky picks but and the fans' really got tired of it but when he hit he found some of the best players in NFL history and fans need to remember that when they attack Al's era and some of his last picks in his era during the last 11-12 years of his control of the team(Gruden years and 9 year slump).

Bless his family, and love you Ray!

11:26 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Ray Guy wasn't just a tremendous player, he was a tremendous philanthropist, much like Freddie B. Truly one of the best people you will ever meet. Saddened by the news of his passing this morning.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

20 years ago the Raiders were the best team in the AFC and heading toward the super bowl.

19 years ago they were a losing team but still AFC defending Champions whose interm coach said was the "Dumbest team in America!".

12 year ago they were an 8-8 team that was trying to make the playoff to honor its' deceased leader but somehow missed it when they should've been a super bowl favorite.

Oh no, it hasn't been that long(20+?) but what is so strange is how much you support the NFL and its' greedy systems. If Bellichick changed the NFL with his style fine, but I've NEVER heard of anybody being so dominate that other systems can't beat it. Because I think there are some good teams that just don't win anymore and it may be time and out of date systems but I know some of them have some good players/ coaches and should be winning.

There are other systems and some are fun and exciting like Al's. If the Bellichicks, Steelers and others can win with a cheaper, high character system fine but don't say that other systems don't work and the NFL systems can't be beaten. PARITY and the NFL(Pats, Steelers) system is o.k. but other legends made the NFL fun too.

12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Patriots weren't being cheap when they wanted R. Moss from us and you o.k.'ed it. No, he couldn't play in all the dysfunction, a guy who was 1 of them most jack ass players in the league? Al allowed the Raiders to take a 4th round prick for him.

1st is was D. Gabriel-, who we didn't know much about. The Patriots, being cheap, got him from the Raiders who really needed a no. #2 WR. In a strange trade 1 year later they sent him back to the Raiders after getting Moss from them.

Cordelle Patterson(Reggie), wasn't a star but he was more than good enough for us. Reggie traded him to Chicago who traded him to the Patriots.

Stryker Sulak is a guy most fans never heard of and he never did much in the NFL but he was a Raiders draft pick. A DE out of Missouri, the Raiders released him and he ended up a Patriot. You usually can bank on a DL making it in the NFL if the Al Raiders drafted him but he didn't.

We complained for years about Al's DBs'. The new regimes never had DBs' as good as Al's last units('10-'11) but fans thought Reggie could find better players. Sterling Moore couldn't make the team but played in the pre-season signed by the Patriots he later helped them in a super bowl. Now, I don't know when Al's Raiders stopped making pro bowl level DBs' but I know if a guy can make the Patriots but not make a losing team like the Raiders then the Raiders must have some really good DBs'.

Robert Gallery- didn't become a star and after the Raiders let him walk he went to Seattle then later played for the Patriots. He lasted a short time(with Pats) but Bellichick won't sign you if he didn't think you could play.

K. Mack(Reggie)- is a pro bowl level DE but Al always had star DEs'. Before they let him walk, D. Burgess was 1 of the best in the NFL. Al and his coaches turned a FA linebacker into a star. He signed with the Patriots.

A. Walter- was a guy who didn't play much for Raiders. Fans thought he was another bust. He was signed by the Patriots who claimed he wasn't even coached to be a QB(?).

L. Jordan- I don't know why fans want to call him a bust but he was a pretty good player. For some reason he like many others looked very good and seemed to play well but the team just couldn't win he was signed by the Patriots. He was a good player with the Jets, Raiders and Patriots.

A. Brown(Gruden/ Mayock)- a top NFL WR that the Raiders got pretty cheap 3rd and 2 5th's but somehow ends up with the Patriots.

N. Agholor(Gruden/ Mayock)

R. Brown- UDFA LB by Al looked like a very good player. Signed by Patriots.

T. Kelly- he was a pro bowl level DT but fans felt he was too expensive and not doing much. He was an UDFA and in '11 he had 7.5 sacks. The Patriots signed him and media asked him if he was happy to leave Oakland- I don't remember his answer but I do know the Raiders made him a good player and the 'high character' Patriots signed a speed, size, athletic guy that media claimed the kind that ruined Raiders.

T. Scott- had injuries early in career. He came out the gate fast- had 8 sacks as a rookie. Patriots signed him and he played for a short time with them.

Oakland/ Las Vegas to Patriots:

5 starting WRs'

1 OT

2 very good DLs'

1 DB

1 RB

1 good LB

* New England to Raiders since '03:

R. Seymore/ HOF DL

T. Poole

T. Brown(OT, Gruden/ Mayock)/ 1 of the best OTs' in the NFL.

J. Condo/ 1 of the best LSs' and special team stars in the NFL.

J. Stenum(the Pats' guys)

Raidernation maybe you should ask just why would a model franchise look for anything from a team in a slump that were all bad players? Maybe the Raiders did have talent in Al's last era.

6:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I borrowed this because it seems so true.

"Last year it seemed like everything that could go wrong off the field, did go wrong off the field. This year it seems like everything that can wrong on the field, does go wrong on the field."

4:22 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Q & A. This is a good look inside.

9:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are the new Raiders, not Al's team, please stop saying the team has been losing for 20 years. No, its been losing since '17 and '22 the years after they made the playoffs. And the other 18 years are 9 from Al's era and 9 from Reggie's, Gruden/ Mayock's and the Pats' guys.

1. the media made it clear that the NFL people are modern and way past Al and that the Raiders will be REBUILT into a modern franchise.

2. Raidernation was almost supporting an overhaul of the Raiders. No Al nothing from the past.

3. The Raiders were being rebuilt in '12 and by '14 were almost a new team. So when people say the Raiders were dysfunctional and loser it wasn't on Al- that was your new Raiders.

4. The Raiders have been losing for 9 years with 2 winning seasons, not 20. Al's guys had 3 winning seasons '00-'02 then he had a 9 year slump in a PARITY league with maybe a top 3 roster.

The NFL/ media told you the way an NFL team should work and you supported it. When other owners/ GMs' ignored them and tried their own ways and succeeded fans supported them as long as they won. Other fans supported them or their will to try their way even if they were upset about the losing.

The NFL NEVER did anything for Al he succeeded with his plan. The AFL was new and trying to be an independent league. He was a rebel and wanted to run his team his way and he succeeded. Then in the NFL he was doing things that the NFL was unsure of some great things some they hated but the Raiders were winning. Does that mean if the Raiders were losing somebody/ fans shouldn't ask Al to listen to other NFL people's/ teams ideas? No! it means a team can succeed with its' own system and not have to use other NFL people's/teams' systems but it might help if they did.

The Patriots and other model franchises succeeding made the NFL/ media claim you don't need a lot of stars and big salary caps. You can win with a star QB and less talent. And the media has claimed this since Brady/ Bellichick dominated the league; but that doesn't mean other systems can't succeed. The Raiders proved it, they were winners then after a SB they just started losing. You can coach up good players and a HOF QB and be cheap and prepare great for games but seeing expensive stars and fun, exciting football with a real football man is great too.

The new Raiders have 2 winning seasons in 12 years('12-'22) so they are 2-9.

Al Raiders were in a 9 year slump('03-'11). But they were 3-8 over a 12 year period('00-'11) with a SB trip and three AFC West titles.

5:55 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Raiders are their own worst enemy and have been for a long time.

The two biggest self-inflicted wounds that come to mind were (1) trading Jon Gruden after the 2001 season. Gruden was clearly on a roll with Gannon and the Raiders at that time, and we ended up with the dumbest coach in America who promptly handed Gruden a swift ultimate revenge.

(2) In 2016, the Raiders fielded a winning team led by Bill Musgrave and the offense (while the defense inexplicably continued to struggle under Del Rio and Norton). The Raiders followed that season by replacing Musgrave (not Norton) and Musgrave's successor, who had zero experience as an NFL coordinator, did an about face-plant with the offense.

The jury is still out on the move to replace Bissacia. Because of his inexperience as a HC, it seemed like the right move at the time, but we are seeing one headscratching game after another. The incompetence has been staggering.

So, yeah, the 20-year funk is real, and the Raiders continue to be their own worst enemy. IMO, blaming the officials for every lost game and the NFL for every failed season is getting old. Those hurdles have always existed for the Raiders. It's their inability to navigate them that makes the modern Raiders so pathetic. IMHO.

5:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you still don't understand is the NFL/ owners have some control of the Raiders and they just want things to go smoothly. That is make money and sell products. Winning can come later.

You got conned by the league/ media. You wanted

A stadium doesn't do anything for an NFL team. If f

Al's Pirates:

T. Scott

T. Kelly

W. Sapp

D. Burgess

R. Brown

K. Morrison

T. Howard

D. Hall

C. Johnson

R. Woodson

T. Branch

S. Lechler

New Era NFL team:

D. Carr

M. Lynch

J. Olawande

D. Waller

D. Adams

M. Crabtree

D. Penn

R. Icognito

R. Hudson

G. Jackson

T. Brown

D. Carlson


Al's Pirates:

C. Palmer


M. Reece

Z. Miller

R. Moss

L. Murphy

J. Velhdeer

L. Walker

J. Newberry

C. Carlisle

K. Barnes


N. Miller

New Era NFL team:

K. Mack

D. Autry


M. Crosby

K. Barnett

D. Perryman



Heyward Jr.

R. Nelson

J. Abram

A.J. Cole

J. Richard

The new Raiders have some good players but not on 1 team you have to put all 3 of the new regime's best players together to have a great team.

Al's slump years have some really good players. His last teams may've had very talented rosters, not just a few players on these 9 teams but a lot of talent.

I put some of Al's o.k. guys on his team and I can see how loaded they were. Even the secondary without C-Wood and Nnamdi still is a very good 1. The

The new era has a good O-line and the receivers look good but the run game could use some speed.

The new era pass rush looks good. And the secondary is good with C-Wood and R. Nelson. But they need a star DT and the LBs need some help.

Al's run game is awesome with DMAC and a pro bowler like Reece this is a top unit maybe 1 of the best '08-'11.

The new era has good special teams with Cole and Carlson. Its' been a long time since the Raiders had a decent special teams. J. Richard is a good PR #17 ex-Cowboy had a TD off a KR or PR.

But Al had 1 of the best units ever in the last years and always had a top 5 unit over the 9 year slump.

J. Ford had 4 KR TD's and Reggie didn't think he was good enough to keep.

N. Miller was a free agent who played good on special teams.

12:57 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

You have your eras mixed up a little. Hue Jackson traded for Palmer, who the Bengals were more than happy to deal. Also, your "pirate" list is suspect.

Randy Moss? What did he do for the Raiders?

I mean some of those guys were washed up or fringe players. Even Darren MacFadden was a huge disappointment. I could go on and on with that list.

Maxx Crosby fits the mold of a true Raider in any era. As the 2022 season implodes, Crosby remains the only player on this team worthy of building a franchise around.

Right now, the coaches have to prove they are worthy. Despite what Ziegler wants us to believe, that's where this soap opera currently stands.

4:59 AM  

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