Tuesday, March 05, 2013

Take Awake and Back in Black

Well, I'm back after my annual winter hibernation. I've been faithfully blogging here since the beginning of the 2005 season. In that span, I've yet to witness a winning season. So don't begrudge me a bit of seasonal disengagement.

The 2012 season was particularly dispiriting. It was supposed to be different and better. Yet it was more of the same, but also worse. I wouldn't blame Mark Davis if the steam was still coming out of his ears.

Anyhow, onward and upward. 

Carson Palmer. How much would he be worth on the open market right now, if you wanted to trade him? What could you get for him? The answer to that question says a lot about where we stand at the most important position on the field.

Jones wrote in the previous take that he saw video of Dennis Allen at the Combine: "Just watched vids with Dennis Allen at the Combine. He came out and admitted they made mistakes. He also said that they really didn't have a clue what they had in the players even after watching film of the season with Hue....basically, it sounded like a clusterf... and they were just trying to get through it as they went. Allen also said his new OC will design the scheme around the talent (McFadden)."

Maybe next time they should consult with us. Who could have told you that Knapp was a poor choice? Who could have told you that going away from a proven formula for McFadden would spell disaster? Who could have told you that the roster was weak in talent and thin in character? Basically, all of you at Raider Take. 

Reggie & Co. broke out the spackle and duct tape last year, and we saw how that went. Now they finally realize that there's some serious remodeling to be done. Let's also hope that they stop fixing what's not broken (see: McFadden scheme 2011). 

Anyhow, I leave you with this photo of a black Raiders helmet tweeted by Mike Goodson. Don't know the story behind it. The NFL doesn't allow alternate lids, and we know that the silver hat is here to stay, so it's probably just some sort of concept helmet. Intriguing nonetheless. 

Fire away: what should we expect from the 2013 Raiders? Who will helm the QB position? Are the Geno Smith rumors true? Who's your choice for first-round pick?


Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I'm not sure Palmer takes a paycut again. If he's unwilling to, then we would have to trade him. I think Palmer would be a good 2nd and 3rd round trade value. He still has a rocket arm, but his decision making abilities aren't there. The teams I can see making this trade, Cardinals, Jets, Dolphins, and Jaguars.

As far as the draft, I think we trade down in the 1st round, and pick up a 2nd rounder as well. Then with our pick, we get a DT, OT/G, or LB. I think this is going to be the most intriguing offseason of the Silver and Black in a long time. I shared my thoughts on this in the last take:

"We will have a new punter, we will have a new RB (T Jones is moving to defense, at CB). Imagine that, a speedster at CB (right out of the Al Davis school of thought)?
I think Seymour is gone, and I think (hope) Kelly is getting cut (possibly re-signed for lower $$). Or we cut Kelly outright, and go after Jenkins. Lechler is looking at possibly signing with the Texans. Brandon Myers said yesterday he is probably done in Oakland. We will more than likely re-sign Wheeler.

Dennis Allen also said that the Raiders will be bringing in another QB to compete with Palmer and Pryor. Hmmmm. One thing is for sure, cuts are going to be made so we can sign higher quality players (especially on defense), and the Raiders' swagger will make another appearance again.


8:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Welcome back, RT - always with a grounded and well presented perspective.

My biggest concern about Palmer is his red zone efficiency. Trading FGs for TDs is never a good formula.

I don't see Palmer taking a paycut, and I don't think anyone else wants him at his price. It's more likely the Raiders restructure somehow and he stays a Raider.

Seymour is history, and Kelly is probably a cap casualty.

I hope we trade down in the 1st and acquire a 2nd round pick. Otherwise, I think our top priority at #3 should be DL. Decent OL players can be found mid-draft or FA.

9:38 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

It was year 1, after coming in and starting late to clean up the HUGE mess that was, Alameda. I'm thinking that Knapp wasn't their top choice but he was the best they could get at that time. Now they have a year under their belt and better coaching has arrived....the judging starts NOW.

As far as the draft, TRADE DOWN, Reggie said he would like to and I hope it happens. This team needs as many picks as possible, it could be many moves on Draft Day for the Oakland Raiders. BUILD THOSE LINES, in the trenches is where the games are won.

Last years draft was very discouraging, watching the other teams bolster while the Raiders stood on the sidelines....it's a new day and the Raiders will progress. Last year was just another crap year....I am willing to accept it if they are getting better for the rest of their (HC/GM) time here.

We've lasted this long through many horrible years....good draft and a good F.A. offseason and maybe this is the year we can all exhale and remember what it is like to have a competitive team again.


9:48 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Oh yeah, I'm not sold on Geno Smith. Being in Big 12 country, his game changed when they played the Longhorns. The Longhorns exposed his weaknesses and other teams followed suit. If we draft a QB, I'd rather get one in the later rounds and grab someone like Ryan Nassib, Landry Jones, Collin Klein, or Nathan Stanley (Southeastern Louisiana).

At RB, I am a big fan of Montee Ball as a compliment to McFadden.

I'm not sure I am sold on Sharrif Floyd as our first pick, especially if we trade down. I think there are other small school gems that would be just as good. I see us trading down and picking up Datone Jones.

Here is my wish list:
1st round-trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick as well. With the first round pick, get Datone Jones (DE, UCLA).
2nd round-Amini Silatolu (G/OT, Midwestern)
3rd round-Brandon Williams (DT, MO Southern State)
4th round-Kiko Alonso (MLB, Oregon)6th round-Landry Jones (QB-OK)
7th round-Braedon Brown (OT, BYU)
7th round-Mark Anthony (CB, Cal)

9:55 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

I hope the Geno Smith rumors are false because we don't need another athletic, developing QB.

I like some of the leagues like the Barclay's Premier League that have 3rd, altenative uniforms. Wouldn't mind it if the NFL incorporated like they've done with retro uniforms.

The all black Raider helmet would be a nice alternative helmet .

7:00 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Long time no blog!
Black helmets? What's next - The Wave?
Actually if they switched the white part of the logo for silver like the old AFL logo, maybe. Still have a tough time with changing the coolest helmets ever, so I vote no.

With so many holes to fill and no money for FAs a trade for more picks is what I'm hoping for. Respect Palmer for being a good pro but would like to see Pryor in the new group of mobile nfl qbs.

Still don't understand why Lienart played one snap last year. Don't like that decision at all. So we go 5-11 vs 4-12. First year coach and gm growing pains although I liked the McLain benching.

Agree about knapp as the last oc left in the musical chairs of coaches last year. Am happy about the upgrades provided by the new coaches, esp. Sporano.

With another brutal schedule, no $, no picks, I do not believe we can get any traction this year. I hope that M Davis hangs on to both DA and RM for a third year because that is the year I think things will turn.

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9:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"With another brutal schedule, no $, no picks, I do not believe we can get any traction this year"

I think there has to be some minimal expectation of improvement, on the field and in the win column.

IMO, the Raiders need to show positive direction in their new program. Being competitive and getting back to 8-8 would seem minimal. Alternately, I can't see how posting another 4-12 or 5-11 season would or should be acceptable.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Agreed that some tangable improvement in performance needs to be seen. If it translates to wins, great. Remember the chucky years - back to back 8-8 years but something was brewing and we all, and the league, knew it.
I'd love 8-8.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm thinking that Knapp wasn't their top choice but he was the best they could get at that time.

I don't buy that theory. Al Saunders is better than Knapp and he was under contract as OC at the time. I think Allen wanted somebody he knew and chose his buddy Knapp from their days in Atlanta together. It was a bad move and made him look foolish. DA needs to really turn it around this year. I'm not saying he has to win a bunch of games, but he has to show significant improvement as HC or he needs to be shown the door.

4:30 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Rumor....has it...that Sanders didn't want the job. I think he is in more of a consultant role. Could be wrong though.


9:30 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Wins and losses is the ultimate barometer but what I'm looking for in 2013 is a competitive team, an improved roster, and cohesion with talent, coaches, and scheme.

As fans of the sport, we know when we see a team that is playing good, spirited, improved, sound football.

Tangible improvements in the basics such as red zone efficiency, run offense/defense, QB
pressure/sacks are critical for gaining traction.

9:31 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The offense is a complete unknown at this point, and the defense is at best a work in progress.

It's very frustrating as a fan to be completely starting over again 11 years into a rebuilding process.

Even that's an incredible understatement.

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11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Love the black helmut.

2. You hit the nail on the head regarding Knapp. It did not work once, why would it work a second try?

3. Due to cap issues and lack of draft picks all DA and RM had was spackle and duct tape to patch a team together. You can't put together a winning team with other teams scraps. There really were no hidden gems.

4. Did I mention I love the black helmut?

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5. One more thing... I heard Jon Gruden in an interview just before the opening game of the season. Gruden had been at a few Raider practices and he was asked what he saw that he liked about the team. Gruden hesistated and said, "The kicking... Janikowski and Lechler are the best kicker/punter duo in the league." That was when I knew we were in for another long and painful season.

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6. One more thing... I hope some other team is willing to break the bank for the Raiders 1st round pick. My vote is to trade it to pick up more draft picks.

5:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Always been partial to drafting D-linemen particularly tackles, but this year, If we don't trade down for more overall picks with someone who REALLY wants the number 3 pick, I say go with one of the "blue chip" (cant remember who said that in a previous post of a previous blog) offensive lineman. That's my two cents.
Blog on gentlemen.


7:18 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...


anyway, let's hope we get get a trade for the 3. trade down and get more picks. this draft is loaded with defense and our d-line has SUCKED for years. heck we need a whole lot more but gotta build both lines first 'cause that's where it all starts...

7:38 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

That a very cool helmet! Make it so Mark and Reggie.

I am resigned to the sinking feeling that Reggie is completely over his head after he restructured one of our worst players, Brisiel. Mabe DA forgot to tell him we are no longer going to be a ZBS team??

I fully expect his next move will be letting two of our best defensive players walk, Wheeler and Bryant, followed by the trifecta... dumping our best player and team leader Palmer.

This will free up cap room to sign Tyler Thigpen or worse yet, bringing Campbell back... oh and four or five bargain basement players that none of us have ever heard of before like Spencer and Bartell from last year.

Our third pick will almost certainly go on some defensive lineman because he was too stupid to simply keep Bryant.

Do I sound cynical??? Yup.. but watch it all happen... the guy is a complete moron.

If we get back to 8 wins by 2015 I will be amazed!

11:56 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

So accurate, hey Gary? But then why be accurate when you have an axe to grind?

Briesel didn't restructure, he took a flat out pay cut. He will probably be a backup at 1.3 a yr....that = good depth IMO.

Your scenario hasn't played out, the 'trifecta' is a dream at this point and you use it to slam the new regime.

Why are you making shit up? Are you really a Raider fan or just a troll, G-dog?


12:54 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Just have to ask....does anyone believe Hue Jackson and his " Coach wanted me for GM but I decided just to be the OC"?

No wonder the 'crew' love this guy so much.


2:14 PM  
Blogger AvantGrape said...

I expect another season where McFadden will be injured and the team will be forced to throw the ball to inadequate personnel. Sorry, we can blame the schemes and coaching all day. But it's the talent that comes first. If you want to build a team around a running game, you need a durable running back who can break tackles. We don't have that.

7:31 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Great to hear from all of you! Good food for thought here.

P.S. I'm trying to keep up with eliminating the comment spam, bear with me, and ignore them as they come.

9:25 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...


Reggie is not a 'moron'. He faced a situation where his 1st pick was the 95 pick in the draft (Bergstrom) and he had to make serious cuts to get into cap compliance.

Would it be asking to much of you or any so called Raider fan to see how Reggie does in the 2013 draft?

10:10 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

In Mcfadden, the Raiders have an explosive back, that is, when the Offense is run the way he likes and when he isn't injured. When things aren't going his way, McFadden seems to 'throw his hands in the air' and give up. IMO, this isn't the type of player to build the Offense around. He will eventually let the team down.

Isn't this year McFadden's last year on his contract? It will probably be his last in Oakland...just hope they pick up a good back up so when he does go down, the Offense won't miss him much.


8:10 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

jones, that's why we should've traded him when he had value. i hope reggie wasn't serious when he said he was gonna try to extend him. dude is always hurt but he can't help us if he's on the sidelines.

re: carson bashing: i know i said in the past that carson threw for 4k yards last year, and one bay area columnist is saying he should re-structure his deal the way brady did but is there a possibility he may get cut? if he does, we should end up with the 1st overall pick 'cause we're NOT winning anything this season. i guess we shall see...

one more: well, well.. look which free agent is available... cut by the redskins in a salary cap saving move, deAngelo hall once signed by al davis and CUT for his bad attitude and lack of production after only 8 games which amounted to $1 mil/game (real smart al!). The Raiders desperately need help in their defensive secondary but hopefully Reggie doesn't do something stupid by re-signing this cat. we're about to get rid of one head case - see rolondo mcClain, we don't need another...

11:28 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Reggie won't be signing Hall, if he does, then I am with G-Dog. D. Hall is still counting dead money against the cap for the Raiders. This was one of those 'he didn't fit' signings. Hall wasn't a man to man cover guy, yet Mr.Davis threw outrageous money at him that is still hurting the team today.....like I said, if Reggie signs him = HUGE RED FLAG.

Palmer needs to bring his salary down, he isn't in that category and he should help the team....if he doesn't, it's hard choice to keep him or let him go....Palmer is not going to lead this team anywhere...he is one of those guys that has all the tools, but his mind is a little short. He was probably the best Raider last year, but that isn't saying much. Between him and Seymour and all the bungled high draft picks....UGH.


12:00 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary -

The media had reported (and I believe Reggie or Allen stated) Brisiel was injured for much of last year.

The way I see it, in no way is he guaranteed to start; and just because he's signed doesn't mean he won't get cut if a replacement is identified.

Let's not panic just yet.

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