Sunday, September 26, 2010

One Postgame Take

"Inept and disorganized."

Those were the words that Tom Flores used to describe our red zone performance during the postgame show. That about sums it up.

Examples include the delay of game on second and goal at the one yard line, resulting in a field goal; and holding on first down at the 13 yard line, resulting in a missed field goal.

But the mistakes were hardly confined to the red zone. We got caught flat footed to start the game, and were down by seven points after six seconds. At one point, we had players from the punting unit and field goal unit on the field at the same time. We committed eleven penalties for 123 yards. Janikowski was off target. Blah, blah, blah.

The upside is that we moved the ball on offense and didn't get run over on defense. We punched in a couple of solid touchdowns. But we kept short circuiting at the wrong time, and it ultimately cost us the game. Why is this team still plagued, after all these years, with disorganization and lack of discipline? It's mystifying. Are we just cursed?

I think I see signs of improvement, but they're just too subtle. We've been supposedly improving for several years now, yet the results are frighteningly similar. We need to beat the Texans next week, otherwise we'll be in very familiar territory: 1-3, and right on course for another 4 to 5 win season.

Are we really improving? Are we close to snapping out of this seven-year daze? Or has another coaching regime hit the wall? I'm interested in your take.

127 Comments:

Anonymous AL DAVIS said...

Longtime reader, never commented until now.

After about a hour and a half to chew on this loss, all I think of is missed opportunities, dumb mistakes and penalties. We had so many opportunities to win this game. Take away the opening TD we win. Get seven in the red zone ONCE, we win. Jano making one FG out of the three he missed, we win. To many missed opportunities. Other than that, I thought we played fairly well. Too bad we couldn't pull it out.

However, all the woulda, coulda and shouldas in the world doesn't take away that we are 1-2 with a good possibility to go 1-3 next week. If anything I just hope this young team learned a lesson and that to win in the NFL you can't let chances to score flounder away.

6:07 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Hah, I always knew Al Davis was a longtime reader!

6:19 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If Al was a long time reader, this team would be heading in the right direction, IF of course he ignored the "crews" posts. :>}

JONES

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Raider Duck said...

Ack. It felt like the bad old days of Cole Ford/Michael Husted/Greg Davis again. We lose by one, when our "Kicker" costs us NINE FREAKING POINTS!

7:09 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Here comes the Cole Ford smack. Classic!

One of Jano's misses was 58 yards, so hard to fault him for that one.

7:17 PM  
Anonymous Tokai Raider said...

here's what lincoln kennedy posted on facebook:

"Im gonna give it to u straight... The Raiders Offensive Line SUCKS!! No push. No idea how to pick up a blitz and ultimately they should be ashamed of going backwards after they had 1st & goal from the 1. Pathetic thru and thru. I really fell bad for the Raider faithful. If this is the best the Silver & Black can put on the field its gonna be another 11 loss season. (head in hands shaking in disbelief)"

this was a terrible game. both teams played poorly, with stupid penalties. the raiders returned to form, using penalties and other stupid mistakes to stop themselves from winning. the O line is just terrible. henderson and veldeer-in-the-headlights are horrible. walker is too. the false starts, holding penalties, and missed blocks killed drives.

there are bright areas of the team, but without a decent O line, those bright areas dim considerably. oh well. here we go again.

9:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be discouraged, the worse has yet to be seen, if the St. Louis Rams hadn't "roughed" the qb late in the game the raiders would be 0-3, they'll soon be 1-3 soon as the Texans get through with them.

10:02 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Where do I start...

"ST" because that's the unit that cost us this game in the long run aided by dumb coaching decisions...16 Pt Swing...

1st...Preseason "Jano" got NO playing time and it shows...He is totally inconsistent and that's ridicules...He's definitely better than that and has proven it threw time...Not only missing the "FG"s but also on "KO"s where they were deep/short and everything in between....Is it the holder...The "LS"...The timing...I can't help but think that damn "OL" plays a part here too...

2nd....Going for the long 58yd "FG" with over 6 min left and down by 1 pt was a stupid freakin call...Let the "PB" punter pin them deep and turn it over to the "D" who was playing very well...But NO...We miss the kick and they have it at the 50...Just plain dumb....

3rd...That cover unit went out there asleep to begin the game...Giving up that 7 pts early played a part in the "O"s ineptness as they got away from the run game early...

Now for the "O"...

I specifically told you to go out there and run that damn ball and pass of the run but you didn't listen...NO...You suck-asses went pass happy and inconsistent with a low production rate less than 50%...That was the "OC"s stupidity...

Why...Did your nuts get twitchy because they scored so freakin early....It was a long time before they scored again so why the hell didn't you just settle down and run that dams ball when it was working so well...Last week we ran about 40 times and won...This week less than 25 I think...Will have to look...

Than in the 4th you dumb bastards ran up the middle on every single 1st dn and passed the next 2-3 trying to move the chains...Where the hell was the creativity we heard about....Oh! Ya!....That stupid pass attempt to the "QB"...

"OL" is stupid so what else can be noted there..."Stupid Mario" has got to go...Bring in that cast-off "C" from Pitts and play Campbell at "RT" -w- Vald" at "LT"...At least this unit will be learning for the future instead of wasting time dealing with dumb vets...

"D"....

They gave up 17 pts...Mostly due to long "Flag"s because the "Zebra"s like slapping us with "PI" when we stop the passing game...Overall a good job but not without mistakes...Allowed too much freedom running to a non dominate rush attack...

Conclusion: It's all fixable but I'm in doubt that this coaching staff can get it done...Talk is very cheep and at the moment that's just all there is...

PantyRaider...NOT A Happy Camper!!!/_

10:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The few positives this week as there always has to be some...

Both "SD"-n-Denver loose while "KC" is 3-0...The difference is they make good decisions but are they for real...

Final Team Stats....One game left...Improvement across the board except that "OL"...

"O" #11...
Pass #19..
Rush #4..
Scoring #20...
"OL" #30....

"D" #3...
Pass #3...
Rush #23...
Scoring #24...
Sacks #6 Tie...
INT's #23 Tie...

Now dammit across the board that's a vast improvement over last season so why can't we win games...We are in this thing but can't put opponents away...

Third Down Efficiency 4/15 - 26%
Pass Comp-Att-Int 17 - 34 - 1
Rush 33/133yds 4.0 ave...
Red Zone Efficiency 1/5 - 20%
Field Goals 3 - 6
Time of Possession 32:58

PantyRaider...Stupidity Is All That Enabled This Loss Plain -n- Simple!!!/_....

10:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Here is a "Report card" that should make us feel better about our team if that's at all possible...I'm surprised they see it better than me when I'm such a positive "Homer"...

"O"...
Passing-B+
Running-B+

"D"....
Passing-B
Running-C+

"ST"...D+

Coaching...B

Here is what sums it up...

Gradkowski's solid showing validated Tom Cable's faith in him as the starter over Jason Campbell. The Raiders battled back from an early deficit and had several chances to win. This loss is on the players for not executing in the clutch


Well personally I think the run "O" was bad because the bulk was in the 1st half and they didn't stick to it the way they should have when it was producing so well...

That falls on the coaches so diminish that one as well...

Passing was average at best 50% and had the "INT"...

Pass play calling was not imaginative enough so again diminish the coaches grade...

Otherwise I guess I agree except where was the "OL" grade...F-

The "Zebra"s need a failing grade due to being flag-happy against our "DB"s and allowing their "RB"s to stiff arm to the face and allowing their "WR"s to push-off and prolong contact...

PantyRaider...Grade This!!!/_

11:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Throwing to DHB in clutch situations (with the game on the line) is not what I was hoping to see.

There were so many blown opportunities. The Raiders have no discipline, which rests squarely on the coaching.

Anyone who thinks this is a well-coached team is fooling themselves. What's up with that trick play lateral to Gradkowski? That play failed miserably the first time they tried it, and here it is again... failing again.

The play-calling under Jackson is no better than it was under Cable.

What gives?

The ST gave us the good, the bad and the ugly, but it was the ugly that prevailed.

The defense was stout at the end, which is typically when Rob Ryan’s defense crumbled. Perhaps that’s a good sign.

Let’s hope the Raiders have enough talent that they can play up to their competition, because they will need to step up their game next week.

5:23 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Looks like the "crew" has already done their disappearing act. Even Waste isn't wasting space on here, what gives? Are they real fans or not?

JONES

11:07 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I keep hearing defense and running the ball wins championships. We currently have the number three defense in the league, and the number four rushing attack.

But without even reading the posts here I am sure "ALL IS LOST".

Examples are above...

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, we're 24th is scoring defense. I'm pretty sure it only counts if you keep people from scoring.

Still waiting to break .500 ...

Storminator

11:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Apparently, Gary is another statistics major who thinks the Raiders will win on stats alone.

Like constantly shooting yourself in the foot and bad coaching have nothing to do with it.

11:36 AM  
Blogger Raider Nate 75 said...

First, RIP George Blanda who passed today at the age of 83.

Second, to Al Davis, we are 1-2 after the loss yesterday. What do YOU think needs to happen to turn it around here in Oaktown? I appreciate you and your team, and have been a fan for 26 out of my 36 years (not following much football the first 10). But I'm tired of excuses on losing.

Third, Championships are won in the trenches of the defense and offense (meaning the lines). Though our defensive front is getting better, our offensive front smells just as bad as they have the past 7 seasons.

Fourth, another aspect to the bad offensive line, is the bad offensive play calling in the Red Zone. We are not creative, we cannot block in critical situations, and we cannot punch the ball in.

I don't blame this on "young" players, missed opportunities, penalties, and mistakes; I blame this on an owner and coaching staff that cannot seem to figure out that we have a bunch of scrubs on the O-Line, and cannot call plays in the Red Zone that will give us 7 points; but are content on doing nothing about it. I can handle penalties, I can handle mistake, but I cannot handle piss poor playing week in and out.

12:57 PM  
Anonymous derick from section 344 said...

First off, I flew out and was able to attend this game and up until wide left, I had a great frickin time. Unfortunately, i've felt like i was gonna puke ever since. There were raider fans EVERYWHERE, but at the same time it still had that road game atmosphere which I really liked and that stadium is amazing. Win or lose, a road game is something every raider fan should do at least once.

As for the game itself, besides the obvious Janikowski factor, the most glaring deficiency for me had to be the offensive playcalling in the redzone. Hugh Jackson is off to a rough start. Even the mcfadden pitch with 10 seconds to go in the half and no timeouts was a potentially disasterous call that happened to work but had it not, would have been the ultimate momentum killer. Forcing the ball to DHB on back to back goal line plays is unimaginative and inexcusable, you almost get the sense that the raiders (or at least one very powerful member of the organization) is so preoccupied by trying to prove DHB wasnt a bad pick that they are willing to sacrifice higher percentage plays for the off chance that this guy might luck into a touchdown catch and have a nicer looking stat line. I want 85 to succeed just as much as anyone but not at the expense of points.

Still in AZ, cant wait to get home. Lets clean this thing up and upset the Texans.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Another LEGEND gone. George Blanda, hope you are rapping with Jack Tatum right now. It's a sad time in Raiderland.

JONES

1:41 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Sure wish we had old George kicking that field goal yesterday.

Raiders would have won it.

The more the old Raider winners pass.

All we are left with are the current Raider losers.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

RIP George Blanda. What a cool old dude!

>>>>
nyraider said...

Apparently, Gary is another statistics major who thinks the Raiders will win on stats alone.
>>>>

True stats can lie (like relying on scoring defense when most of our scores were given up on long plays and STs) but if McFadden wasn't having such an amazing start, and we were STILL about last in the league in defense... I'd be about as ready to jump off a bridge as you, NYR, you miserable pisser excuse of a person you.

This team has a lot of pieces in place to build off of... and is STILL extremely young.

I stout defense, and a reliable running game will keep you in most games... fucking duh.

If you can't even bring yourself to figure little things like this out... one still has to wonder why you are a Raider fan. Is the self-loathing THAT deep?

3:40 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Gary, PR, and all other stat freaks,

The only stat that matters is...


THE FINAL SCORE.

3:53 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

from the media:

"If you put him in a group of most-competitive, biggest-clutch players, I think he'd have to be the guy who would win it all," his Raiders coach, John Madden, said in a phone interview Monday."

The late great George Blanda. May he R.I.P.

5:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary said: "...if McFadden wasn't having such an amazing start, and we were STILL about last in the league in defense... I'd be about as ready to jump off a bridge as you, NYR, you miserable pisser excuse of a person you."

What can I say, Gary, you're all class. You have an amazing economy with words, and I think you used your entire vocabulary to come up with that gem.

When it comes to the Raiders, you're like the Black Knight from Monty Python after King Arthur cuts off his arms.

"It's just a flesh wound."

5:21 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Time to ignore the petty whining and censorship attempts and talk about a real man...A real player...A real legend and one of the last of an era...

Born just 2 seasons prior to Mr Davis and carries the same type of legendary accomplishments as a player on the field and in life...Fortunately his life wasn't torn apart by "Mediot" scum who were trying to destroy the image he built threw time....

His life's memory will endure and everyone who knew him speaks the same...The Ultimate Competitor...Although I was never afforded the opportunity to meet the man he is still family and his loss is like that of a family member...

But that was the days of old when the "Game" was NOT just a game...It was life...It was community...It was family....Today those are just pretty words echoed around blog-sites as if they actually believed...

The game has changed...The players have changed and ultimately the fans have changed also and that's by far NOT a compliment and should not be taken as such..."Superficial" is about as close as I can come to the reality of the day...Those of us who grew up in the shadow of the great men like Gorge Blanda can definitely recognize the difference....

Back when it was said "Win or lose it's how you played the game"...You left everything on that field...You didn't hold anything back...They knew they were in a battle and the fans were right there at your side come thick or thin and would go to blows to defend their brothers...Their family...

NOT so today...It's all about playing "Jerry Rhome" and finding fault right along with them damn "Mediot"s who have now become the "Leaders of the Pack"....How totally disgusting that is to consider....

Most of this will go right over your heads because you don't know and haven't the time to learn...But for men like me who cut our teeth on the glory of the old what we learned was a way of life...We didn't separate the emotions from the game nor from life and we gave it our all at work -n- at play....We fought...We got up and we fought again...We didn't cry nor shrink back nor piss in the wind...The price we paid may have left us lame but inside we have strength...Commitment...Luv....And those things are definitely lacking in today's get it easy mentality waiting for that big pay-day...For that ship to come in...

PantyRaider...How Pathetic The Evolution Of Fanaticism!!!/_

FAN....

6:01 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

INDIANAPOLIS -- Bill Polian says the 18-game NFL season is a done deal.

Niners offensive coordinator Raye fired after team's 0-3 start


As far as attempted "Censorship" of stats or other pertinent info being posted here this is my reply:

Whether you like it or not Stats are and always have been an integral part of sports whether Football or Baseball or Tennis and virtually everything in between...They are a realistic barometer of the quality of play/strengths/weaknesses/match-ups/projections and now that "Fantasy" crap if your into it...

Now if you understood what I posted you would have got the fact that I was raising a question...

"With all the statistical improvements across the board over last season why are we still losing"...

This team "Statistically" is NO shadow of itself over the past 7 seasons of losing...We move the ball...We stop them...But where is the heart...Where is the desire...Where is the will...

It seems that even though we get back to having a legitimately fundamental "O"-n-"D" we will still need time to become a legitimate winner...I'm at a loss to put that in perspective at the moment...I would suspect that with the advancements in ability would cone also the "V"s but that is simply not the case...

PantyRaider....We Learned To be Losers Now How Do We Learn To Be Winners!!!!/_

6:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

a very winnable game served up on a silver tray yet ...

ST kick off coverage to open the game, inept red zone offense, and un-clutch kicking, doh!

This was the proverbial "ifa, woulda, coulda, shoulda" stomach punch game. An important game and wasted opportunity.

Solve the red zone issues and this team can become a very good football team THIS year.

R.I.P. George Blanda, a true, iconic, original American and football player.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RIP George Blanda






Once again the Raiders fail miserably when it comes to going over that .500 mark. Week 3 of the 2004 season. It has now been officially over 6 years and counting since the last time the Raiders had a winning record. Thanks Jano.




Sarasota Raider

7:17 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>

Solve the red zone issues and this team can become a very good football team THIS year.
>>>>

YES!

We ARE talking about small issues problems here. #83 left his gap on the opening kickoff and the kick returner broke a tackle and ran untouched through that gap. All the guy has to do next game is stay in his frigging GAP.. problem solved.

Gradkowski didn't call a timeout with the play clock running out, and he admitted he made a mistake, and it won't happen again. Problem solved.

Hopefully some better play calling in the red zone can solve other problems.

I think Jani got over-confident after his stellar year last year, and decided he didn't have to work on his craft much anymore... sounds like he is already working harder. Possibly problem solved (although kickers are head cases).

These are SMALL problems in contrast to the LARGE problems of years past like having the worst statistical defense in the NFL.

Or not having a QB or running game.

Gradkowski didn't play great but played well enough to win... I can deal with that.

Especially with the number three rusher in the NFL taking all the pressure off of him.

Penalties... that is something a young team can fix too.

10:28 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
"It's just a flesh wound."
>>>

Uhh you do know you just wrote the entire season off as dead in game THREE, right NYR?


I mean... if words have meaning... you are saying the Raiders are DEAD already?

Come out and say it you pathetic moron.

Tell us all the Raiders season is already over.

Just do it you slimy piece of living filth... quit fucking around.

10:33 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

sick of moral victories, coulda....we all know what the problems are, thing is, they never get fixed. If it's one area, next week it's another, then another. Round and round it goes, just like the "crews" argument points.

They were outclassed in Tennessee, they hung on against a team that lost 27 of 28 and they lost to a mediocre Arz team. Now comes a hot Texans team, trying to become a top NFL team. Who in their heart believes they will take the Raiders lightly?

Easily can be 1-3, would it be time to panic then? Soon after that, the HC will get whacked and that corner begins all over again. But if the stats are good, whatever.....

JONES

11:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary 10:33pm

Well done. Another insightful and thought-provoking post.

Did you run out of cool stats to show us?

7:12 AM  
Blogger H said...

Take,

I'm not going to read the other comments before I answer your ending question so as to not be influenced.

The answer is YES. We are very close to coming out of the doldrums.

If you look at the box score of the game, we totally outplayed the Red Chickens. The defense only gave up 17. This game was lost on special teams play.

I also believe the Houston game is winnable. We have a top 10 defense and offense in terms of yardage. Houston is three yards from having the 32nd ranked defense in the league and they are the worse pass defense.

We can cut 3-5 penalties a game if the OT's can just remember the snap count.

This team is close, very close.

Just my infernal optimistic opinion.

Also, George Blanda, Rest In Peace tough guy.

H

8:27 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

H, I'm inclined to agree. My concern is that the lack of discipline and organization on the field is the reflection of issues at the coaching level.

The Raiders can't keep playing sub-competitive football forever. At some point, they will be competitive, in the ".500" sense of the word. And we may finally be on the verge of that.

But I'm not convinced we have an elite coaching staff, and I think that will prove to be road block in our goal of joining the elite.

9:17 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Also, let's not blame the lack of discipline on our team being youthful.

The Chiefs are youthful, too. And in three games, they have 14 total penalties--less than half the total we've racked up.

At some point, the coaching staff needs to be held responsible for the evident and persistent lack of discipline that the Raiders display.

9:23 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"The Raiders can't keep playing sub-competitive football forever"

So are we back to it's a cyclical thing? The Raiders will continue to play sub par ball until the way they do business changes. That is very well documented and factual. We all know the reasons why there is sub par coaching. Every year it's "if they just did this, if they just didn't do that" they would be contenders. Problem is, evey year they do this and that, guess why?

JONES

9:26 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"At some point, the coaching staff needs to be held responsible for the evident and persistent lack of discipline that the Raiders display."

At some point.... it was said when Bugel, White, Turner, Shell, Kiffin, Callahan were all coaches. Callahan said the Raiders were the Dumbest team in football. That still holds true today, guess why?

JONES

9:30 AM  
Anonymous tinfoil said...

It's the coaching. Been that way from Art Shell I thru Cable.

Only Gruden had the stones to deal with the organization, and he had a lot of help from Bruce Allen.

I'd love to go 8-8 this year, but after once again proving we're the "Same Old Raiders" v Arizona, I just don't see it happening.

PS I watched exactly 2 plays from Cardinal game: opening kickoff run back for a TD, and Jano missing the game winner.

I live and die with the Raiders but
but am beyond watching such profound mediocrity.

2:46 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
I live and die with the Raiders but
but am beyond watching such profound mediocrity.
>>>>

It was actually a very exciting game. Your frigging loss.


Oh I know, I know... the only way any Raider fan here can enjoy the game is if they win.

Kinda like dealing with 13 yr olds... especially the ones that write the entire season off after three games.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
At some point, the coaching staff needs to be held responsible for the evident and persistent lack of discipline that the Raiders display.
>>>>

I assert that if the entire Chiefs coaching staff was coaching the Raiders there would still be slightly more penalty problems. Those hand check penalties were not anywhere close to being called on both teams, fer instance.

The Rams game was the first time in many, many seasons where I thought the Raiders benefited from the Zebra's instead of getting fucked.

Most coaches don't have to worry about a built-in bias against their team... and some (Indy, NE) can pretty much count on a bias in their favor.

St. Grudens had penalty problems too, IIRC.

5:49 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Correction:

St. Grudens Raiders teams had penalty problems too, IIRC.

Maybe its all just an amazing coincidence. The Raiders have the most penalties for decades on end regardless of whom is coaching?

5:53 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

That's the second time in two weeks that someone has called what I consider bad football "very exciting."

I think that's part of the gulf here between various commenters. It's like we are watching two different games.

Gary doesn't see a persistent lack of discipline and organization (the stupid false starts, the delay of game at the one yard line, the questionable play calls, the confusion, etc. - the stuff TOM FLORES himself called "INEPT AND DISORGANIZED").

What Gary sees is a "very exciting" game stolen by the referees...the same referees who threw the flag that put us in a position to win a game with a chip shot.

It's really just a big difference in perspective. Personally, I'm tired of, and impatient with, what I consider bad football. I don't find it that exciting. I've had my fill of it. I'd like to see excellent, precise, high-level football now, please. I've waited long enough.

That said, I understand that some see it differently, and view my perspective as unrealistic and overly impatient.

8:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

When a team scores 13 points with 5 possessions of 1st down inside the 13 yard line or better, it is overwhelmingly clear that the team lacks both discipline and good coaching.

Think about it for just a quick minute.

You've got the ball at the 13 yard line or better with 1st down 5 friggin times and you come away with 13 points?

You could be the absolute worst offensive team and still come away with a bare minimum of 15 points without hardly lifting a finger.

The range of points should be between 15 and 35 yet we come away with 13?

Everyone is naturally bashing SeaBass and no question he choked but what really upsets me is the playcalling, penalties, and poor execution BEFORE SeaBass trotted out on the field.

FG, TD, Missed FG, FG, Missed FG ... unfreakingbelievable.

Score 1 more TD (2nd down on the 1 foot line) and convert 2 easy FGs and it is a 13 point swing.

9:00 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary was right-on about this one...

"Maybe its all just an amazing coincidence. The Raiders have the most penalties for decades on end regardless of whom is coaching?"

That's documented and Gruden constantly complained about the uneven playing field...This can be traced back to the 70's when Pitts accused Tatum -n- company of being the "Criminal Element"...Than it got worse after Al Davis went head to head with the NFL and won in court...It hasn't been a level playing field in years....

It's not just the penalty it's the timing...They are thrown when we make a huge play to take away the advancement and put us in a hole...Case in point the long pass to Murphy at the 5 yd line that was stolen on a bogas "OPI" call...The result was a 1-n-20 way back up-field instead of the ball at the 5...

Than later in the game they will appear to make it up by give a valueless penalty that can be pointed at as "See"...

The penalty that "RT" is referring to at the end of the game was so flagrant it couldn't go uncalled but there were several others that did....

PantyRaider...We Lost This One On Our Own Merit!!!/_

9:13 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Why do we get ripped-off...NFL NetWork does not show a rebroadcast of our games...

Typical "BS" from this league...

9:19 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Tom Flores: "Inept and disorganized."

And he wasn't talking about the zebras.

9:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

09/26/2010 Released T Erik Pears, signed S Stevie Brown to active roster

Corrected Team Rank/Stats...
Raiders -vs- Texans "O"-vs-"D"...

"O"-#10............"D"-#31
Pass-#19...........#32
Rush-#4............#2
Scoring-#22........#26 Tie
"OL"-#30...........Sacks-#18 Tie
...................Int's-#30

"D"-#3............."O"-#4
Pass-#2............#8
Rush-#24...........#5
Scoring-#24........#6 Tie
Sacks-#6 Tie......."OL"-#31
Int's-#24

This game it may be difficult to run the ball but we need to establish it anyway...Be creative and dump-off to the "RB"s...The passing game should be open so use it to set up the run...Houston allows teams to score so there is no excuse if we can't....

This may be a tough contest for our "D"...This match-up is very close strength against strength in the passing game but strength against weakness in the run game where we are deficient....Our strength against their weakness should be in the trenches where their "OL" is one of the worst and we are good at sacks...We need to get after them but stay in those gaps so that run doesn't kill us...This one dictates we must be very disciplined to keep it close and have a chance to pull it out in the end....

PantyRaider....Expect A "Dawg-Fight" To The End!!!!/_

9:45 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Blaming the Raiders ineptitude over the past 7 years where we've won less than 25% of our games let alone on the recent Cards game on the refs is complete nonsense. Enough.

There is nothing more pathetic IMO than a Raider fan pointing at a ref instead of pointing at our coaching staff, players, and owner.

Show me 1 bad call in the Cards game that impacted the game ... . STFU and deal with it.

9:46 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"It's not just the penalty it's the timing...They are thrown when we make a huge play to take away the advancement and put us in a hole...Case in point the long pass to Murphy at the 5 yd line that was stolen on a bogas "OPI" call...The result was a 1-n-20 way back up-field instead of the ball at the 5..."

PR - Did you even watch the game? Did you even see the play? Did you even notice how DHB nor any Raider player disputed the call?

Bottom Line: This wasn't a bogus call and it is a clear cut case where DHB wasn't disciplined enough to know the game situation and his surroundings by pushing off a defender.

9:53 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Inept and disorganized" "leading the league in penalties" "red zone impotence" "questionable playcalling" "special teams breakdowns" and on and on ...

Seriously folks, in our last 115 games played, we've won 30 times.

Forget the last 7 years. Just go over the past 12 quarters of play. We got smoked by Tennessee. We barely squeaked by the Rams by 2 points, and we played really bad football vs. a bad Cards team. You can go through any quarter this year and you will find stupid plays, dumb penalties, poor execution in all 3 phases of the game. 33 penalties in 3 games says it all.

10:07 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Yes I saw that game and also listed to the radio broadcast which was delay...I saw it on TV live and also the net delayed...This gives time to see the play and question it and listen to the radio crew as they comment...They saw the same as me...I see everything at least twice and hear it too...Now what is your point...

I would also watch it now had NFL NetWork showed that game...

Several times during that game "AZ"s "WR"s were pushing off and not getting called...Fitz was getting away with engaging Nnamdi and should have been flagged for "OPI" or "OH"...Their "RB" was stiff arming to the face and it never got called until late in the game...

Meanwhile Nnamdi was flagged for "PI" a few times giving them the long gain when they couldn't complete a pass...Also our other "DB"s were flagged....There was a bogas "Holding" call and the TV crew couldn't see it nor could I or the radio and that called back a long play...

To say there was nothing in this game from the "Zebra"s that could have impacted the loss is blind denial....On the other hand as I posted this loss was on us because despite the bad/non calls we were in a position to win and screwed ourselves...

PantyRaider...Expect More Of The Same This Week Against Houston!!!/_

10:13 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

So does the #2 pass "D" and #3 "D" overall say it all and we're amongst the top 10 in sacks...Now add to that the #4 rushing "O" as part of the #10 "O" in the NFL...

Now go back over you past 12 quarters and balance that with our mistakes because you have a habit of trying to paint as negative a picture as possible of my football team and I personally take exception with that...

We post about the good-n-bad but your agenda is all negative...So what the hell is the purpose in that...Still trying to deny Mr Davis any credit for turning things around as the "MGP"....

PantyRaider....The Statistical Prof Is There....Stop Ignoring It While You Post Your Negative Stats!!!/_

10:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary, you complain about fans with higher (than your) expectations voicing their displeasure, then you bitch and moan that those fans should be as satisfied as you when the Raiders lose a very winnable game.

I'm convinced that you don't care if they win.

If you're (Again!) hoping for losses to improve the Raiders draft position next year, forget it. They traded their 1st pick to the Pats.

5:26 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Gary, you complain about fans with higher (than your) expectations voicing their displeasure, then you bitch and moan that those fans should be as satisfied as you when the Raiders lose a very winnable game.
>>>>

I honestly feel like I am dealing with a small child that wont watch a movie unless it has a happy ending.

If the only way you can be entertained is if the outcome is positive, why on earth are YOU STILL A FAN???

Become a INDY fan, or NE.

They win a lot of games.

The game I watched Sunday had a ton of big plays, lots of scoring... plot twists throughout the game... and wasn't decided until the final play.

What better entertainment is there?

Yes... I would have been happier if Seabass hadn't missed the FG... but I am adult enough to understand that it was still great entertainment and can't wait until next week! If the team gives up and starts getting blown out game after game... I might reevaluate my entertainment options... but I don't think that is going to happen... especially with a robust rushing attack and a decent defense. I suspect we are going to be winning (And yes also LOSING) a lot of close games this season.

If a happy outcome is the only way you can be entertained, NYR, I suggest "Lassie" instead. Its about your speed intellectually and geared towards your age group.

7:38 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Show me 1 bad call in the Cards game that impacted the game ... . STFU and deal with it.
>>>


When a m2m defense gets called on every pass play for ticky-tack hand fouls, that sure as fuck does impact the entire game... especially when they aren't being called at all on the other team.

And who blamed the refs entirely anyway?

One of Calico Jacks famous strawmen again.

7:49 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary said: "If the only way you can be entertained is if the outcome is positive, why on earth are YOU STILL A FAN???"

Gary is now redefining what being a sports fan means.

You keep trading bubble gum cards and leave the heavy lifting to others.

8:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary Is correct again...Not at all an even playing field...

Other News...

Chargers lose LB English for 4 to 6 weeks with injured foot

English's absence further depletes the Chargers' depth at linebacker after they also lost Shawne Merriman to a calf injury Sunday.

Let's hope they ain't healthy 2 weeks from now...



"CJ"....A Dose Of Reality Is In Order!!!...

Your "St Gruden"s 2nd yr -vs- Cable 2nd yr to compare...

Cable............Gruden "99" 8-8 3rd AFCW

"O"-#10............#5
Pass-#19...........#11
Rush-#4............#3
Scoring-#22........#8 Tie
"OL"-#30...........#29

"D"-#3.............#10
Pass-#2............#12
Rush-#24...........#12
Scoring-#24........#16
Sacks-#6 Tie.......#9
Int's-#24..........#11

Look at these stats compared to your St Gruden and get real...We are still improving and right on track for a very similar record/ranking and you posted that was a good team that kept you positive....Than why the hell can't you be now....Here is what you watched back when....Remember...

Week #1 loss 24-28 "GB"
Win 22-17 "Minn"
Win 24-17 "Chi"
Loss 21-22 "Sea"
Loss 16-13 "Den"
Win 20-14 "Buf"
Win 24-23 "NYJ"
Loss 16-9 "Mia"
Bye
Win 28-9 "SD"
Loss 21-27 "Den"
Loss 37-34 "KC"
Win 30-21 "Sea"
Loss 14-21 "Ten"
Win 45-0 "TB"
Loss 20-23 "SD"
Win 41-38 "KC"


PantyRaider....And The Beat Goes On....Drums Keep Beating Rhythms In Despair....And The beat Goes On -n- On -n- ON -n- da Beat Goes ON!!!!/_

Now stick those stats in your pie-hol-i-o!!!...

9:26 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"When a m2m defense gets called on every pass play for ticky-tack hand fouls, that sure as fuck does impact the entire game... especially when they aren't being called at all on the other team."

oh, you mean like the HUGE PI on the Cards at the end of the game?

"And who blamed the refs entirely anyway?"

PR was going on and on about the refs ...

9:27 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

Just a note of clarification:

A certain individual evidently just likes to provoke animosity that has NO legitimate value as a Raider Fan what so ever....I eventually just disconnected and opted for the "Click Collapse" option on this board...He projects this animosity while provoking a response in return that he can use to say....

"See....He's a bad guy"

As he posts negative with reference to that other poster as if telling everyone else on this board to beware....

What you do is up to you I'm just giving a reference point as regards me and this continual crap that dominated here in the recent past...It was just time to move on and enjoy my game...

PantyRaider...Positively Happier!!!!/_

9:36 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The division here seems to be the different levels of impatience with mediocrity.

For some, progress seems to be happening at a reasonable pace.

For others, the pace of progress is unbearably slow and inexcusable.

I like seeing the progress we've made, but I have doubts about the coaching staff. I'm not convinced this is a staff that can take us to the next level for years to come.

I base this on what I see as a continued lack of discipline and organization on the field. Apparently, I'm not alone, if you listened to Tom Flores on Sunday. Take it from him, if not me.

At this point in Cable's tenure, I expected to see smarter football than I'm seeing. It's a red flag to me, and it tempers my optimism about where the team is headed.

Sorry, but that's just my honest take.

9:44 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

That is damn "BS" and you know it...

I made one damn reply to this that Gary posted and you followed with your damn "Censorship" attempt as if you as the "Regulator" can decide what the rest of us here are allowed to post about...
---------------------------------
Maybe its all just an amazing coincidence. The Raiders have the most penalties for decades on end regardless of whom is coaching?
---------------------------------
Now get your damn shit straighten out and get real....Your posting total crap relating to the state of my team and than want to bash me for posting what has been establish thew time as a mater of fact...

If you don't believe it than give the prof it ain't so....As if you could...

PantyRaider....State Your Evidence I Damn Sure Do!!!/_

Your own words...."St Gruden" coached a good team during those 2 mediocre 8-8 seasons well look it up because Cable is doing a very similar job now is he not....Post the evidence if he is failing where "ST Gruden" didn't and I will trump it with a ton of crap that proves otherwise....

Nothing but time Baby....Nothing but time!!!....

9:50 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

What’s everybody worried about? So as long as the Raiders project into the top 5-10 statistically, we should be happy, right?

It's amazing how cavalier folks are about a critical loss that places the Raiders two games behind KC during a season when the AFC West is totally up for grabs.

The Raiders can play better than they’ve shown thus far; and, quite frankly, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t expect them to.

And stop blaming the officials. They put the Raiders in a position to win the AZ game!

Talk about cry babies! Jones' "crew" is always looking for an excuse why the Raiders don't perform.

9:56 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

I can see that and raise you 2 -or-3...

Yes...There are questions we all see and wonder what the hell is going on...Kicking/missing that long 58 yd "FG" with over 6 min left in a 1 point game was sure stupidity....Stopping the drive and taking the time off the clock at the end while depending upon that last missed "FG" when "Jano" was already showing problems in that game was another piece of stupidity...We could have gotten closer and maybe we could have scored the "TD"...

The most disturbing thing is the musical chairs on the "OL"...Put the "Rooks" in there and let's move on while they develop...Sticking "Stupid Mario" back in to disrupt the flow does absolutely no good at all.... If Langston can't hold his own than go for his replacement and let him stay in reserve if we need him....This unit is in such flex it's hard to get a handle on anything...

So I agree but at the same time I'm fully aware of the positive improvements and look for them to continue as this season progresses...One thing of note is that this team is playing ball...They don't just lay down or collapse...Now that's directly on the coaches so I disagree there...

PantyRaider....Time Will Tale But Up-Swing Is Very Positive!!!/_

I'm comparing us to last season NOT to some other "PO" team...

10:03 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PR, I'm with you on the positive improvements. I see them. It's the first time in a long time where I feel we can be consistently competitive on both sides of the ball.

Imagine the possibilities if we could combine this young and improving team with an elite coaching staff that could maximize our potential with superior discipline, game planning and organization.

But I'm not seeing that here. Cable doesn't seem to be growing into the job. There are red flags there, and it tempers my optimism about our prospects in the next few years.

10:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

A 58-yard FG is well inside Jano's range, and well within reason to attempt during any game, particularly a close game. We're not talking 72 yards.

He kicked down the middle from 63 yards (with plenty to spare) in warm-ups.

My take is that Jano appeared overwhelmed on the sideline before the final kick. TV coverage repeatedly showed him pacing the sideline and wiping sweat from his bald head with a towel. He looked like a nervous school girl; then he came in and kicked like one. Not something you expect from the highest paid K in the league.

10:28 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
It's amazing how cavalier folks are about a critical loss that places the Raiders two games behind KC during a season when the AFC West is totally up for grabs.
>>>


LOL!!! We are in SECOND place of a division led by a team that won only 4 games last year.

Why the panic NYR? Oh right... you already gave up and said the season is over... dead.

Grow up some NYR... adults are talking.

11:07 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
But I'm not seeing that here. Cable doesn't seem to be growing into the job. There are red flags there, and it tempers my optimism about our prospects in the next few years.
>>>>


The pre-snap penalties (especially on the o-line) and some of the confusion on offense is for sure on Cable.

The play calling has been suspect this year, but we do have a new OC calling the plays... not ready to panic just yet with this.

With the exception of the second half of the Titans game, it seems the Raiders are putting out maximum effort... which is one of the keys to the NFL. So I don't see huge problems with coaching yet.

I am more worried about our QB situation. Grads seems to do better off the bench, and as JMAC mentioned to day, Campbell may be punch drunk from that blow he took vs SF... he said the same thing I did... he suddenly looks like a rookie.

Of the two key ingredients to winning in the NFL (coaching, and QBs) I am much more worried about our QB.

50% completion percentage is not going to translate into a playoff caliber team... unless you have a Pitts Steeler type defense.

We don't.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Here is an interesting quote from Phil Villapiano, talking about the great Raiders defenses he played for in the 70's.
***********************************

"We gave up a lot of yards. We had the most penalties. We had terrible stats. But we won".

***********************************

Maybe it all just boils down to having players that can make big plays in the 4th quarter.

If Jano makes that kick, than all other stats, and penalties go out the window.

Unfortunately, and this has been true for a long time now, the Raiders do not have enough, clutch players on their team.

Most NFL games these days are won or lost in the 4th quarter.

The Raiders just do not have the players that can come through in the high pressure, game on the line, situations.

1:51 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

After 7 years, we still don't have a top flite Qb, Coaching, O-Line, Wr. The last top flite Qb, wr, O-line, Coaching was in early 2000's. Before that we had Hostetler, Schroeder, George. Who is making these decisions? How were the Raiders able to attract the talent in early 2000's that took them to the Bowl? Why hasn't the talent been that good since or before? Why must a HC spend half his days trying to convince the Owner/Gm that certain players should play? Looks like a certain few are blaming the HC AGAIN. Improvement? It's so minimal, how can it even be mentioned? Wishing for an elite coaching staff...good luck, may as well wish to win the lottery, chances are the same.

JONES

2:15 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary said: "We are in SECOND place of a division led by a team that won only 4 games last year."

What's your point?

The Raiders only won 5 games last year and now are two games back after only three games. It's a simple fact. Every game in a 16-game season is critical. So it helps if you actually win the games you're supposed to win.

You love stats, right? KC is 3-0 and second in the NFL in points allowed (only 38 pts in 3 games).

If memory serves me, they hired a proven GM, an up and coming HC, and have been drafting along their lines.

I believed KC's sensible actions would eventually place the Raiders behind the eight ball, I just never thought it would be this quickly, i.e., if in fact KC can sustain their early success.

And I am far from giving up on the season after three games. Unlike you, Gary, I actually root for the Raiders to win games. Something that fans do, but you don't get that.

You just want to be "entertained."

4:54 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
What's your point?

The Raiders only won 5 games last year and now are two games back after only three games.
>>>>

Uhh... blockhead. The team two games ahead only won FOUR games... and best quality win is a squeaker at home over a Norv Turner lead team that traditionally starts off slowly. They were dominated in every category except for the scoreboard vs SD.

If SD was 3-0 I'd be a bit more ready to dangle my head over the Golden Gate Bridge with you because they HAVE WON THE AFCW NEARLY EVERY YEAR LATELY... but to write the season off as you are because KC has a two game lead with 13 games left is stupidity squared.

Jeesh you wear me out. Example below...

>>>>
And I am far from giving up on the season after three games.
>>>.

So explain your earlier "Black Knight" comment...


>>>
Unlike you, Gary, I actually root for the Raiders to win games.
>>>>

Nobody roots harder for the Raiders to win than I, asshole.

>>>
Something that fans do, but you don't get that.

You just want to be "entertained."
>>>>>


Like I said... I am simply adult enough to realize I can be entertained by a product regardless of outcome. You are incapable of it as evidenced by your repeated comments here.

8:02 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

09/29/2010 LB Alex Joseph signed to practice squad


"RT"....

I will just chock that one up to your eye-sight...You always see something highly detrimental lurking over us like a "Black Cloud-o-Doom" but that's just too damn "Gloomy" for me...

As I look at these stats and this team and compare it to that team of "98" I don't see too many differences....We were losing some close games than too and Gruden was very young and constantly facing the discriminate charge of "He will never make us a winner" until he shut all their mouths the following yr...

It took time to put all the pieces together back than so lets give it a little extra time now considering that we were in much deeper a whole than anything Gruden had to deal with from "98"-"99" and instead of vets we are dealing with rookies...Personally I'm very encouraged by what I see...

Take just a few players out of the equation and we are doing quite well...The entire "OL"????....NO...."Stupid Mario" -n- Walker/Carlisle would prolly take care of it...."OT" has been a consistent downfall here for some time now..."Vald" is promising...Campbell is a possibility...The "C" also needs to be dealt with...So what we got's is a legitimate Vet "G" on the left side and a 6 yr vet "G" on the right who seemed to play well...

Possibilities....I personally would try moving Gallery back to "LOT" to see what he has now -w- Campbell at "LG" and put "Vald" in at "C" which gives us the beef on the left side......Let Daniel Loper remain at "RG" and try Barns at "RT"...OR....

Leave "Vald" and Galery at "LOT"-"LG" and try Loper-n-Barnes at "RG"-"ROT"....OR...

Move "Vald" to "C" -w- Barnes-Gallery on the left -n- Loper-Campbell on the right...

Something has to work better than what we got now...Than address this issue in "FA" -n- the draft so we are loaded better in "11" if there is a season....

PantyRaider...."OL" Is Our Weakest Point!!!/_

Funny how the "WR" position has suddenly lost concern....Wonder how that happened...No comments!!!...

9:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

How funny! If the Raiders (5 wins in '09) were 3-0 right now, we'd be hearing how they were going to run away with the division. But when the Chiefs (4 wins in '09) go 3-0, and two games up, it's no big deal.

Gary said: "So explain your earlier "Black Knight" comment..."

I thought it was pretty obvious. It has nothing to do with losing a couple games. It's about you and others here pretending the Raiders only have a flesh wound when they're really missing an arm.

Gary said: "I am simply adult enough to realize I can be entertained by a product regardless of outcome."

Once again, it sounds like you could care less if they win or lose. That's your prerogative.

FYI, if you feel the need to tell people you are "adult enough" for anything, that means you're probably not.

9:17 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

I somewhat agree about the "QB"s and made the suggestion that we start "JC" and let "GradSki" play the 2nd half...3 reasons...

#1....Keep both "QB"s in the game but stay fresh...

#2....Make it difficult for "D"s to make half-time adjustments....

#3...."JC" looks good running a scrip at the beginning of the game but not so good later playing to situations..."GradSki" is a better fit at playing against situations and motivates everyone to elevate their game...He brings that fire at the end...

Thus we would have the "2 Headed Monster" at "QB"-n-"RB" taking advantage of each player's strengths...

Raider00....

I agree we failed in the clutch...Couldn't win the close one this week but did last week...But it's too early to tell who is or is not going to step up...The "D" stepped up so maybe the "ST"s will learn to follow and it will translate well to the "O" too....

Too early to tell...It's still wait-n-see again...

PantyRaider...We're A Better Team But Not yet On That Damn "ScoreBoard"!!!/_

9:38 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'll comment about the WRs PantyRaider, and my comment is that I'm pleasantly surprised, and may have underestimated the unit.

At the same time, a guy who was being named as a viable #3 receiver two weeks before the start of the season (Figurs) was cut from the team after week 1, so it's not like my concern over depth was unreasonable.

I should add that Figurs is tied as our third leading WR in terms of catches, despite not playing in two of our three games!

Miller is delivering as expected, and McFadden is finally showing his stuff, which is compensating for a lack of depth at WR (as you said it would).

But I still don't understand arguing against adding depth. I would like to see more depth at WR. I imagine our quarterbacks would like to have better third and fourth options as well.

9:48 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, I call 'em like I see 'em. Remember, it was Coach Flores who used the words "inept and disorganized" on Sunday. So it's not like I'm alone in my observation.

It's no longer Russell's fault when it happens. We're now about 32 games into Cable's tenure, or two season's worth. What my eyes are telling me is that Cable and Co. are showing signs of not growing into the job, as evident in a persistent lack of discipline and organization.

I know that you feel it's doom and gloom. But to me, it's just an observation.

9:52 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Let's not forget Chaz Schilens.

The Raiders' so-called top WR remains out with injury and no scheduled return.

So with Figurs gone, Schilens still out and Murphy injured, do we consider adding depth now?

The Raiders seem to have a habit of letting something hit a wall before addressing it. Essentially, if it hasn't hit rock bottom, it must be okay.

10:55 AM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

Take,

I think your choice of quote was fair. It's gloomy, but so was our red zone performance.

That said, I was glad to hear Cable & Co. (including Bruce Almighty) say the right things this week.

Jano was out kicking early on Monday, according to Cable's first interview this week. (Best news of the week for me. I'm a huge fan of #11, but he put my love to the test)

Bruce said that there are issues with execution more than the game plan.

Murphy & DHB are making every effort to grow TOGETHER.

I know that targeting DHB three times was hard to watch, but he's either going to be the guy, or he's not. We won't know until he gets real chances. Don't believe me? Ask a Cowboys fan about Roy Williams THIS week.

Besides, all of us were on this very forum bitching when Jordan would be asked to run up the middle three or four times with Randy Moss on the sideline. I'll take this new evolution over that "game plan". Thanks Norv!

To echo every other post though, we need a win this weekend.

Here's hoping the #10 Offense can been the #31 Defense in the league.

12:16 PM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

Err...beat, not "been".

12:17 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Jano was out kicking early on Monday"

Worst thing he can do is over-think the AZ game. Just move on and keep the normal routine.

If he lets last Sunday get in his head, it could be a long season for him (and us).

1:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

I'm also a bit surprised by the "WR" showing and glad my guess was correct regarding "McFab" taking up the slack...

Most here in the past didn't count the 8 games in "07" as Cables tenure as "HC"...He was only "IHC" and no one knew where that was going....So this is his 2nd full season where he was involved from the off-season on..."07" he was just picking up the pieces for someone else....

I would say allot has been accomplished but the job is far from done....At the time posters argued to give a "HC" 3 full seasons so by the end of this one Cable would have 2 3/4 seasons under his belt and we should have a good idea where it's going...

I also remind you that "BR" and myself have argued that Cable may be moving to the front office while Hue becomes his replacement as "HC"...That's still a wait-n-see possibility but one I like...I think Hue has that fire...Maybe Cable is Kooling his so he doesn't break any "Jaw-Bones"...

PantyRaider...Many Questions As Yet Unanswered!!!/_

4:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Texans'Andre Johnson doesn't practice, will be a game-time decision

Let's hope he sits this one out...

Match-Up Raiders -vs- Texans "O"-vs-"D"

"O"-#10............"D"-#31
Pass-#19...........#32
Rush-#4............#2
Scoring-#22........#26 Tie
"OL"-#30...........Sacks-#18 Tie
...................Int's-#30

"D"-#3............."O"-#4
Pass-#2............#8
Rush-#24...........#5
Scoring-#24........#6 Tie
Sacks-#6 Tie......."OL"-#31
Int's-#24

I think we take this one at home playing angry if we take care of their run game...2-2...


Evidently "KC" gets the bye...

"MuleHead"s have to play in Tenn so I hope they get that ball ran down their throats...."Donko"s lose...1-3...

Meanwhile "SD" is at home to "AZ"...They are banged up on "D" but still should win this week....But I said that last week and they lost to the "SeaChicken"s so anything is possible....2-2


A Week-by-Week Look Ahead...

Chargers
"O"-#1........."D"-#4
Pass-#2......Pass-#6
Rush-#12 Tie.Rush-#9

49ers
"O"-#20......"D"-#17
Pass-#13....Pass-#15
Rush-#27....Rush-#15

Bronkos
"O"-#2........"D"-#18
Pass-#1......Pass-#23
Rush-#30....Rush-#10

Seahawks
"O"-#29......."D"-#28
Pass-#21.....Pass-#30
Rush-#24.....Rush-#5

Chiefs
"O"-#17......."D"-#13
Pass-#29.....Pass-#21
Rush-#1.......Rush-#6

Bye Week........

Steelers
"O"-#26........"D"-#6
Pass-#31 Tie...Pass-#17
Rush-#3…......Rush-#3

Dolphins
"O"-#18........"D"-#11
Pass-#18......Pass-#9
Rush-#16 Tie..Rush-#19

Chargers
"O"-#1.........."D"-#4
Pass-#2.......Pass-#6
Rush-#12 Tie..Rush-#9

Jaguars
"O"-#30........"D"-#29
Pass-#27.....Pass-#29
Rush-#15.......Rush-#16

Bronkos
"O"-#2........."D"-#18
Pass-#1......Pass-#23
Rush-#30....Rush-#10

Colts
"O"-#3........."D"-#24
Pass-#3......Pass-#20
Rush-#25....Rush-#28

Chiefs
"O"-#17......."D"-#13
Pass-#29.....Pass-#21
Rush-#1......Rush-#6

NFL Odds....

Tenn 6.5-7 over "Mulehead"s...
"SD" 8-8.5 over "AZ"...
Texans 3-3.5 over Raiders....


Of Raiders wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey's 19 career catches, 17 have gone for first downs. ...

PantyRaider....Future Uncertain!!!/_

4:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

A statistical caparison of ourselves to last season....

We have made remarkable strides in less than one full season and there is no reason to believe this trend wont continue...

Compare if you will...

"09"............"10"

"O"-#31..........#10
Pass-#29.........#19
Rush-#21.........#4
Scoring-#31......#22
"OL"-#30.........#30

"D"-#26..........#3
Pass-#7..........#2
Rush-#29.........#24
Scoring-#23......#24
Sacks-#11 Tie....#6 Tie
Int's-#31 Tie....#24

I have to call this remarkable improvement and if it keeps up we are a competitive football team again....Finally...

Biggest area of concern is that damn "OL"...Still need improvement at Int's/Scoring "O"-n-"D"/Passing "O" -n- Rushing "D" but some improvement is already there....

PantyRaider....Let's See How We Look After Getting Ripped By That #4 "O"....

5:54 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Some stats that matter.

The Raiders are ranked 24th in scoring defense (25.3 points per game) are 21st on third down (15-for-38, 39.5 percent) and are 32nd in red zone defense (7-for-8).

It may be tough to improve on these numbers against one the NFL's best offenses.

Dallas played mistake-free and managed to take away three turnovers in beating Houston last week. I believe Houston plays a lot of spread offense, which has given the Raiders fits in the past.

5:19 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

There is always a slant on anything in one direction or another when the info is limited to a few points of intended interest...Thus That "Mediot"s report of how our "D"s destined for collapse...

Now here is the total story line from NFL.com...

..............Raiders-vs-Texans....
"O"....
Yds/Game.........351......407
Pass Yds/Game....204......260
Rush Yds/Game....147......146
Pts/Game..........17.......25
3rd Dn %..........30.......47
"TOP"...........32:54.....32:47

"D"....
Yrd/Game..........260.....423
Pass Yds/Game.....127.....368
Rush Yda/Game.....133......54
Pts/Game...........25......26
3rd Dn %...........39......30

Now a serious look at the Texans past 3 opponents -n- Raiders...

Indy....
"O"-#3.........."D"-#24
Pass-#3.........#20
Rush-#25........#28
Scoring-#2......#18
"OL"-#7.........Sacks-#6 Tie
................Int's-#12 Tie

Wash....
"O"-#13........."D"-#32
Pass-#7.........#31
Rush-#28........#11
Scoring-#18.....#22
"OL"-#11........Sacks-#6 Tie
................Int's-#24 Tie

Dallas......
"O"-#5.........."D"-#8
Pass-#4.........#14
Rush-#26........#7
Scoring-#21.....#12
"OL"-#1.........Sacks-#13
................Int's-#24 Tie

Raiders....
"O"-#10.........."D"-#3
Pass-#19.........#2
Rush-#4..........#24
Scoring-#22......#24
"OL"-#30.........Sacks-#6 Tie
.................Int's-#24 Tie

Analysis:

Houston lost it's only game against a tough "D" ranked at #8 which was Dallas who's "D" is ave against the pass and in Sacks/Preasure but could slow down their run...The rest of their stats were against the #s 24-n-32 "D"s...

Houston's "D" has been ripped threw the air for an ave of 368yds/game while their opponents ran very little and are ranked from #25 to #28 in rush "O"....Now they have to face our #4 rush "O" and try to stop it along with the pass as they have huge problems on "D" and give up an ave of 423yds/game....

This one should come down to mistakes and our ability to slow their run while running the ball....Houston is -4 in "TO"s and has given up 11 sacks...

PantyRaider....The Rest of The Story!!!!/_

11:23 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
How funny! If the Raiders (5 wins in '09) were 3-0 right now, we'd be hearing how they were going to run away with the division. But when the Chiefs (4 wins in '09) go 3-0, and two games up, it's no big deal.
>>>


Wild fabrication number one. If the only wins were a squeaker at home vs SD in a game we were dominated in every way but the scoreboard, and wins vs Clev, and SF (quite possibly two worst teams in the NFL) I for sure wouldn't be braying about dominating the AFCW... you are simply making shit up as you go as usual.

Example follows...


>>>>
I thought it was pretty obvious. It has nothing to do with losing a couple games. It's about you and others here pretending the Raiders only have a flesh wound when they're really missing an arm.
>>>>


The Black Knight wasn't missing an arm... he was missing both arms and legs... and that is exactly what you said the Raiders were AFTER THREE GAMES.

>>>>
Once again, it sounds like you could care less if they win or lose. That's your prerogative.
>>>>

Complete fabrication. When have I ever said or insinuated such a thing. I was simply responding to a poster that said he was GLAD he missed the game because we lost. I thought it was an exciting game. For fucks sake.. any high scoring game decided by a FG with no time left is exciting by DEFINITION.

You really suck at debate NYR. Why do you keep attempting it?

>>>
FYI, if you feel the need to tell people you are "adult enough" for anything, that means you're probably not.
>>>>


What does this even mean? I am simply pointing out that your arguments and mentality are immature.

The examples above prove it.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>

The Raiders are ranked 24th in scoring defense (25.3 points per game) are 21st on third down (15-for-38, 39.5 percent) and are 32nd in red zone defense (7-for-8).
>>>>


LOL! NYR searches wildly for the three WORST statistics he could find to paint the Raiders in as bad of light as possible. Are you sure you are not a Bronco's fan pretending to be a Raiders fan in an attempt to paint us as miserable, childish, knee-jerk, dorks?

Its almost as if you ENJOY the Raiders futility.

Amazing.

12:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

[NYR said] “Once again [Gary], it sounds like you could care less if they win or lose. That's your prerogative.”

Gary said: “Complete fabrication. When have I ever said or insinuated such a thing.”

Just from this thread:

Quote 1: “I honestly feel like I am dealing with a small child that wont watch a movie unless it has a happy ending.”

Quote 2: “If the only way you can be entertained is if the outcome is positive...”

Quote 3: “If a happy outcome is the only way you can be entertained, NYR, I suggest "Lassie" instead.”

Quote 4: “I am simply adult enough to realize I can be entertained by a product regardless of outcome.”

Clearly, the “insinuation” from your dialogue on this thread is that YOU don't care about the outcome, so long as you’re entertained.

Maybe you’re the one who should go catch a movie (regardless of its outcome).

12:32 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary, those stats (copied from the media) are more relevant than any rankings posted before.

Even the players and coaches are harder on themselves than the pretenders here that post misleading stats.

These are areas that Cable, the players and the fans believe need improvement.

If you give up 25 pts a game and 7-8 in the red zone, you won't win many games. Oh, that's right, you just want to be entertained. My bad.

Face it. You're shooting blanks...as usual.

12:44 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary....

These riddles will just give you a head-ache....The twist-n-turn are endless....Funny though....I remember things quit different when I was in NY....But than I was on the Island....

12:50 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"D"............Raiders-vs-Texans
Pts/Game...........25......26

12:52 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

DHB joins Murphy as questionable

Listed as out for the Raiders other than Schilens were LG Robert Gallery (hamstring), LB Ricky Brown (hamstring), LB Travis Goethel (lower back) and CB Walter McFadden (hamstring).

Listed as questionable along with the starting wide receivers are defensive tackles Richard Seymour (hamstring) and John Henderson (foot), safety Hiram Eugene (hamstring) and cornerbacks Chris Johnson (ankle) and Jeremy Ware (ankle).

How many bad hamstrings -n- groins can we have in one season....This is sick...Just sick...How the hell do we field a team this way....

PantyRaider...Conditioning Or bad eats!!!/_

4:03 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Scoring TDs when you are in the red zone is critical to a team's success. We have the 30th ranked red zone TD ratio in the NFL (3 of 13; 23% success rate)

Stopping your opponent from scoring TDs when they are in the red zone is critical to a team's success. We have the worst defensive red zone ratio in the NFL (7 of 8; 12.5% success rate).

The commonly referred to NFL rankings (ie. 2nd ranked D) based on yardage is completely misleading.

8:49 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

"Only one wide receiver on the roster other than Heyward-Bey and Murphy has caught a pass for the Raiders through three games. Johnnie Lee Higgins has one reception for two yards and Yamon Figurs, since waived, has two catches for 17 yards.

With Chaz Schilens listed as out with a knee injury, Higgins, Jacoby Ford and Nick Miller are the remaining Raiders receivers on the depth chart."

9:42 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The situation at WR has become so precarious, it’s no longer bordering neglect.

10:01 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
The commonly referred to NFL rankings (ie. 2nd ranked D) based on yardage is completely misleading.
>>>>

I dunno... 3 teams from the bottom 16 in yardage defense last year made the playoffs (but all three had elite QB's... Brees, Manning, Warner.)

The rest of the teams were in the top 16... and 4 of the top 6 all made it to the playoffs.

Conclusion: If a team gives up a lot of yards, you sure as hell better have an elite QB to overcome it.

Describe exactly why you would disagree with this. Provide facts to back it up, please. Also no straw men.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

The situation at WR has become so precarious, it’s no longer bordering neglect.
>>>>


Good thing coaches never ever are misleading about the extent of injuries in the NFL.

Ever tried Prozac, NYR? Constant panic attacks cannot be good for you.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Clearly, the “insinuation” from your dialogue on this thread is that YOU don't care about the outcome, so long as you’re entertained.
>>>>


Well this is true except there is nothing from my comments that suggested this... its just something you are fabricating.

My comments are clear... I don't REQUIRE a positive outcome to be entertained. Nowhere did I say it doesn't matter if the outcome is positive or not.

You wouldn't understand. Its called critical thinking... something you are obviously completely incapable of.

10:49 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

WoE!!!...What up with all da "Gloom"...

"WR"....They have slight injuries and are expected to play and are listed as "Questionable" as is the Texans #1 "WR" Andre Johnson who may be hurting worse than ours....High ankle strains can get very bad and his has been ongoing for multiple weeks but he keeps putting it to the test in games......

"Red-Zone" "D"....Have you taken a look at our opponent this week....Why NO of course not...But they give up more yardage/points/1st dns/etc than we will all yr...They also score in the "Red Zone" so have one advantage there as far as stats...

But that's the beauty of breaking down stats...They change and are constantly adjustable...Thus I give you the weekly up-dated visions of our future engagements for consideration....In doing so I get to see how each team has advanced or regressed as the season progresses...Tendencies are just as important and our tendency is toward improvement across the board...

Therefor...Our "RedZone" "D"-n-"O" are up-gradable as time -n- experience permits remembering this is still a very young team and we are playing 1st-2nd yr players at several key positions and vets who are 1st timers in this system as well as new coaches who will learn on the fly...

PantyRaider...Just Keep Beating That "Doom-n-Gloom" Baby!!!/_

Did you even notice their "TO" -n- Sack problems I posted...Time to turn the "Dawg"s loose in this one...

10:50 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Nowhere did I say it doesn't matter if the outcome is positive or not.
>>>

Rephrase for clarity: Nowhere did I say I don't PREFER a positive outcome. You are mixing cause and effect.

10:57 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

An AOL Fanhouse report suggests Johnson’s sprained ankle is serious enough to be getting special treatment.

Namely, “platelet-rich plasma therapy.”

Johnson doesn't practice Friday, remains questionable

But they will play him when he should be rested...Why...If we are so easy to beat why the hell not rest their star player so he's ready for a more important opponent than us...It's only week #4...What-up with all the dramatic need here...Why would Houston need this one so badly...


In other news...

Tight end Owen Daniels (hamstring) and linebacker Darryl Sharpton (ankle) are also listed as questionable for the 2-1 Texans.

Safety Eugene Wilson (hamstring) is listed as doubtful, while linebacker Kevin Bentley (knee) is out.


Seahawks LB Hill to require surgery on injured Achilles...Week #8...

Hamstring to sideline Broncos' Moreno for second week.....Week #7...


Week #4 projections...

3-0 "KC" Bye....
2-2 Raiders beat Texans....
2-2 "SD" Win over "AZ"....
1-3 "MuleHead"s Lose at Tenn...

PantyRaider...Stay Tuned For Results!!!/_

Where are yours???....

11:25 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"My comments are clear... I don't REQUIRE a positive outcome to be entertained"

Raiders vs Titans = boring.

Raiders vs Rams = Blunder bowl

Raiders vs Card's = Blooper bowl.

There wasn't much to be entertained with if you enjoy GOOD football. You can be entertained by a Pop Warner game.

I think most people look to Pro Football to be a little more entertaining. Especially if the team you like in Pro Football is playing poor ball. Especially when it's been year after year of Pro Football that is badly put together and delivered.

Sooner or later, the entertainment part kind of loses it's shine, that is for those who aren't just posers. Those who love the game and the team, get to the point of being repulsed by the lack of entertainment. Some people just have LOW standards = the "crew".

JONES

12:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gary said: “Well this is true except there is nothing from my comments that suggested this... its just something you are fabricating.”

Wait! Let me get this straight. It’s true but it’s not true? And since it’s true, I fabricated it?

Are you for real?!

1:21 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The injuries to DHB and Murphy, however severe, demonstrate how close to the edge the Raiders are playing with this position group.

Hard to believe that after these two guys (both second year players with barely 50 career rec between them), our WR experience level drops way down.

With that thought, I have to wonder if the Raiders are more concerned about entertaining Gary than winning games.

1:37 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Conclusion: If a team gives up a lot of yards, you sure as hell better have an elite QB to overcome it.

Describe exactly why you would disagree with this. Provide facts to back it up, please. Also no straw men."
--------------------------------
This is a mumbled, jumbled, disjointed conclusion that is not applicable to the point I made about the importance of red zone offense & defense.

For starters, the Raiders defense has not given up a ton of yardage obviously since we are ranked #2.

We don't have an elite QB but of course if a team does have an elite QB then it is quite obvious this team's offense will (a) rack up yards (2) be efficient in the red zone.

Questions to Mr. Entertainment Strawman:

#1 - Which would you rather have a team do on offense ... rack up yards or points?

#2 - Which would you rather have a team do on defense ... prevent less yards or hold down the points scored?

In 3 games, the Raiders offense has racked up yards (#10 ranking) but squandered red zone opportunities.

In 3 games, the Raiders defense has been stingy giving up yards (#2 ranking) but has allowed the opponent to be successful 87.5% of the time in the red zone.

I don't need more "facts" to back up my assertion. The essence of football is quite simple:

On offense the goal is to score TDs.

On defense the goal is to prevent defense.

That is why the red zone is always a critical part of the game both on offense and defense.

2:16 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

typo: I meant 'On defense the goal is to prevent TDs.'

2:18 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The good news is that if Murphy and/or DHB aren't ready to go, I'm sure our third-leading receiver who hasn't played in two of our three games, Yamon Figurs, is likely available. Bring on Yamon!

2:34 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
#1 - Which would you rather have a team do on offense ... rack up yards or points?
>>>

Points, obviously... which doesn't address your point that defensive yardage statistics are "completely misleading." Over the course of a season, I have proven they are not.

There is nothing you have typed that disproves this.

>>>
#2 - Which would you rather have a team do on defense ... prevent less yards or hold down the points scored?
>>>>

Irrelevant to your point (as usual)... I was simply addressing your point about yardage stats being "completely meaningless."

>>>>
In 3 games, the Raiders offense has racked up yards (#10 ranking) but squandered red zone opportunities.
>>>


Here you are with your straw man again. I agree that red zone offense is more important than defensive yardage statistics.

What I took exception to is your assertion that defensive yardage stats are "completely irrelevant."

Stop saying ridiculously hyperbolic statements and I will stop challenging them.

I assert that without an elite QB... a NFL team sure as fuck BETTER not give up many yards.

I've already proven you are dead in the water if so.

Not a single team in the bottom 16 made the playoffs last year without an elite QB... do you want me to look at other years to prove you further wrong?

I will ya know...

3:24 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
"completely irrelevant."
>>>>

Gah... I misrepresented CJs point two different times... sorry.

His point was it is "completely misleading."

3:27 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Take said...

The good news is that if Murphy and/or DHB aren't ready to go, I'm sure our third-leading receiver who hasn't played in two of our three games, Yamon Figurs, is likely available. Bring on Yamon!
>>>>


Cable said he "thinks they will be alright."

3:30 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Excuse me but your take is a little foolish...Unreasoning...Perhaps by virtue of limited thought before posting it...Case in point...


#1 - Which would you rather have a team do on offense ... rack up yards or points?


Define how a team would rack up points without also racking up yds on "O"...Isn't that a bit of a Misnomer....If you drive to the end-zone to score you also gained the yardage between you and that goal line....Unless every drive starts at their 10yd line I would suspect you would pile up good yardage....Well maybe not if your just kicking 80 yd "FG"s....



#2 - Which would you rather have a team do on defense ... prevent less yards or hold down the points scored?


Now let me see here....If I don't let you move the ball you don't get close to the red-zone very often...Right....Now granted we let them in a high percentage of the times they make it that far but we don't allow them many attempts now do we...So slowing the yardage gain is also slowing the scoring/points but those stats just aren't available...Or am I somehow mistaken by that thought...


On defense the goal is to prevent defense.

That is why the red zone is always a critical part of the game both on offense and defense.


Interesting...Just what would your view be of limiting an "O" from getting close to the red-zone or only allowing "FG"s when they get to the red-zone...Defensive failure....

And this one...

On offense the goal is to score TDs.

What is your view of scoring "FG"s and ball control to take time off the clock and keep it out of their "O"s hands while resting your "D"....Just a waste of clock time...

Had we NOT missed 2 very manageable "FG"s and NOT gone for that stupid 58yd attempt -w- over 6 min left in the game down by only 1 pt we may not be having this conversation at all....That's at least a 6 pt swing and would also raise our red-zone effectiveness...We would have won by 5 pts and been 2-1...

Now here is another piece of info that you failed to consider in all this....A long "TD" from Murphy/"DHB" or "McFab" would count as what in your book sense it avoided the red-zone all together....Just a "Lucky-Strike"...

Either you have a very narrow view of the tactical aspects of the game of football or you just spoke without engaging much thought to what you were posting...I suspect the thought was the problem because in the past prior to becoming such a "Doomey Gloomer" you had allot of positive thoughtful content regarding this game....Although I have to admit I haven't seen much lately...

Your not old enough to be losing your mind are you...Ha! Ha!...Hell I'm 60 and still got's mind...Mine...But I certainly can't say the same for a large percentage of the "Mindless" crap that gets posted here....Too much desire to prove a point and not enough logical thought accompanied by reasonable considerations....

PantyRaider...Point Counter Point!!!/_

3:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

DHB playing injured and at anything less than 100% is a scary thought.

I'd rather take a shot at playing Nick Miller... who made two outstanding TD catches in pre-season. One play he went up and got the ball, and the other he laid out for it. Two best catches by any Raiders WR this year.

Problem is, Miller would get better matchups as a slot receiver. This is where NOT having depth at WR is a big problem.

3:58 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Raiders are absolute proof that racking up yardage doesn't always lead to points, and preventing yardage doesn't always lead to preventing the other team from scoring.

Look no further than the facts in front of you. The truth will set you free.

4:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well than it must be obvious that Texans #1 "WR" Andre Johnson poses no real threat sense he suffers with a possibly severe high ankle strain which should limit his speed and cutting ability...

Oh!...I forgot...He plays for that other team so he's still a viable weapon to fear....We had better give him the "Triple"....

4:10 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The Texans are last against the pass at an average of 368.7 yards per game, 43 yards more than the next-worst team (Washington)

Wait, there's more. Quarterbacks own a league-best 116.8 passer rating and league-high 72.8 completion percentage against the Texans, and they have completed 14 pass plays of 20 yards or more -- only one team has allowed more.




As bad as the Texans are against the pass, they are about as difficult as it gets to run against.

The Texans are third against the run at an average of 54.3 yards per game. They have allowed an average of 3 yards per carry, which is fifth-best. By comparison, the Raiders have allowed 133 yards per game (24th) and 4.6 per carry (tied for 24th).

Stats aside, the Raiders won't shy away from running the ball against the Texans. They are fourth in the league at an average of 147.3 yards per game, at 4.5 per attempt (tied for ninth).



The underlying factor here is that the Texan's run stats are against the 25th to 28th ranked run "O"s so now lets see if they can shut down the #4 rushing attack...Our "O" should have allot of opportunity throwing that football and they don't stop ya from scoring...Ave 26 pts/game...

On "D" will be the challenge...Slow that run and stop that pass...Otherwise we're in a "Shoot-Out" that we may not be ready to win...Bring that heat Baby!!!....They have already given up 11 sacks and are -4 in "TO"s....

PantyRaider...Key's To This Game!!!!/_

4:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Johnson is a 110-reception per year WR. Playing him at 80% is entirely different than playing a guy with 19 career receptions who's 80%. That should be obvious.

However, I wouldn't expect the Texans to play him if he's not ready.

Also, the Texans actually have depth at WR, whereas the Raiders don't.

4:33 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

The Equalizer...

Who do the Texans have at "CB"..."S"..."LB" who can cover Zack or "RunDMc" out of the backfield...

Conversely they will have to face our pass-rush -n- secondary that plays very well...

It's that run that's scary here plain -n- simple...Can our "D" handle the pass while concentrating on stopping that run at the same time...If we take away their passing game can we still slow that run...This will be the area of test...

As long as our "O" can minimize the mistakes they will score ample points against their weak ass "D"...

I haven't looked at their "ST"s yet but that could constitute the balance in one way or the other in this one...

PantyRaider...Interesting Match-Up!!!/_

4:46 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

No Sherlock Strawman. I said,

The commonly referred to NFL rankings (ie. 2nd ranked D) based on yardage is completely misleading.

I trust you understand there is a BIG difference between the words "meaningless" and "misleading".

My point was that media use the yardage stat to say such things as "The Raiders have the #2 ranked defense in the NFL." To me this is misleading.

6:39 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Define how a team would rack up points without also racking up yds on "O"..."

Of course a team needs to move the ball to get in the red zone.

Whether a team compiles 265 yards or 365, there are times in the game where they get in the red zone. Those are key moments to capitalize.

Also, keep in mind, that not all TD drives start from the 20. Sometimes a short TD drive is set up by a turnover, winning the field position battle, a good KR, a good PR.

6:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

Yes...And sometimes a "TD"/"FG" is scored on a long run/pass without ever starting in the red zone so that never gets compiled into those stats...

The Stats are just a reference...An indicator of the performance of the team good or bad in relation to the other teams and to past seasons....A "Mathematical Language" used to project those differences....

Interpretation of those stats can take many twists -n- turns especially when we have such a close match-up like this week....Tendencies...Weaknesses....Strengths....Player Match-Ups....That all weighs into the guessing game that is the NFL...The "Strategy"...And for some of us that's one of the biggest attractions of the sport sense we can no longer suit up and take to that field of play....

So all week in preparation of the game all the little sideline stories and injuries and such weigh in until that final hour when we get to see it actually unfold before our very eyes....

Now look around...Once again in so many moons we have a team worth speculating about...That my friends is progress and we have made allot to get to this point but have allot further to go to be considered a real threat in the AFC....

PantyRaider...On Any Given Sunday Has Returned To "OakTown"!!!!/_

But unfortunately not for all as some still just expect to lose before the flip of a coin!!!....

8:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

While some out of fear just try to remove that suspense so they don't suffer the "Agony of Defeat" when we come up short....But to them I say your punishing yourselves and missing out on the excitement of the game....

PantyRaider...Remember When...The Joy!!!!/_

8:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ran into this great #75 vid on U-Tube...Really brings back the old memories of what our "D" use to be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCyV6yS16G8&feature=related

We need another play-maker like him on this squad to take us to the next level...

10:05 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

That video is just badass. Great stuff.

10:12 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"Can our "D" handle the pass while concentrating on stopping that run at the same time...If we take away their passing game can we still slow that run...This will be the area of test."

You got it backwards ... it should be can our "D" handle the run while concentrating on the pass at the same time.

As far as stats, you are right about it being an indicator for how a team is performing in certain categories.

My point all along has been that our red zone inefficiency in both offense and defense has been what has been holding this team back so far this season.

As a matter of fact, Cable put this issue front and center at one of his PCs this week.

If I was going to put a premium on a few statistical categories it would be some of these few key indicators:

Red Zone Efficiency Offense/Defense
Turnover Differential
3rd Down Conversion Offense/Defense
Sack Differential

11:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I know I keep piling on DHB, but I found this interesting. In the 17 years since this stat has been compiled, no other player has a lower percentage of catches relative to pass attempts targeting him than DHB had in 2009. It was 23%.

He has picked it up a bit this year, with 10 of 26, or 38%.

I'm not sure what the league avg is, but I would guess a minimum of 50% is in order. It's pretty obvious no QB (or team) could survive at 23% or even 38%.

Let's assume for now that DHB is only targeted on low-percentage plays. Hopefully, he will continue to improve.

It's GAME DAY! ..... GO RAIDERS!

6:23 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

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I trust you understand there is a BIG difference between the words "meaningless" and "misleading".
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I already said this AND apologized, ya friggin dick.


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My point was that media use the yardage stat to say such things as "The Raiders have the #2 ranked defense in the NFL." To me this is misleading.
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Its still a VERY important stat, especially if you don't have an elite QB. My point remains untouched.

9:36 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Yeah Gary ... you apologized after ranting "Stop saying ridiculously hyperbolic statements and I will stop challenging them."

Show me 1 "ridiculously hyperbolic statement" that I've made or STFU.

Tell me how saying the Raiders "#2 ranked D" ISN'T misleading? Isn't this the core essential of the argument? Oh that's right, you don't read carefully but prefer to "challenge" stuff.

The defensive yardage stat is important ... never said it wasn't strawman. All I was saying from the very get-go was that this stat by itself doesn't give the full picture of a unit's performance. Giving up yards between the 20's isn't the deathblow ... it is what a team does in the red zone that has a big impact on team success.

"untouched" ... that's rich Gary. Get on your MC Hammer pants and start rappin' "Cant' Touch This!"

10:53 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Where is H? He mocked my comment, saying we won't know exactly what this team is until the 4th game. Well, here it is and this is make or break of the season. If they flop, we will know that it's FORGETABOUTIT. If they win, they are still in a position to win the division. Lost badly in Game #1, Played sloppy ball vs 2 non contenders. THIS GAME is the measuring stick.

STATS are for losers, remember when Art 2 was here? Didn't that defense end up being #3 in the league? It means nothing if you aren't WINNING. Improvement is proven by WINS, not stats. It's this game folks, that will tell us exactly what the 2010 Raiders are.

JONES

11:15 AM  

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