Sunday, November 23, 2008

Early Take: Raiders v. Broncos

Please tell me we didn't run Fargas AGAIN to the right after that lucky break of a timeout that allowed another shot at the goal line. Surely I was hallucinating. We didn't do that, did we? 

Haltime Take: The good news is that we are winning. The bad news is that we've now gone 15 straight quarters without an offensive touchdown. Isn't that some sort of record? And if we don't cut down on the penalties, showboating and "basic Cable" playcalling in the red zone, we will lose this game. Time to play like men, Oakland Raiders. 

Third Quarter Take: Hallelujah! Hooray! We scored an offensive touchdown. Not surprisingly, it wasn't a "basic Cable" call of Fargas up the middle. 

Fourth Quarter Take: How awesome is this!? Real NFL football, against the Broncos no less. Didn't like how we went into the half in terms of penalties and playcalling, but it looks like a new team in the second half. 

86 Comments:

Anonymous gary said...

Well no, and it actually looked like a pass play... but the good news is we just blitzed on third and long!!!

OMG SOB! It worked! Better go back to that cover-2.

Can't keep doing something that actually works!

So any guesses how many more carries Fargas burns up as the rest of the team is loaded for bear, and marching down the field at will?

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's amazing how this coaching staff refuses to acknowledge that fargas is not a short yardage back.


RaiderMike

2:18 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Jruss looks awesome so far! There is hope for the Raider future maybe!

2:18 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Its not just that Fargas is horrible at short yardage (he is) but worse yet, the line is not knocking anyone off the ball so its better to throw three passes at the 2 than three runs up the gut.

The worst coaching in the league.

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great roughing the passer call huh. Somebody in stripes has Denver -9. Ya think?



RaiderMike

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Tagliabue:

What exactly should the linebacker do in that situation? Give him a little smooch?

2:38 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

PENALTY RAIDERS... for inability to stop in midair.

Not sure I have seen any more blatant bias than that.

Already took 7 off the board for a hand check on Johnson... weren't they satisfied with that?

2:45 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Tackling is still going to kill us though in the end... as usual.

Five years of missed tackles.. thanks SOB.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The game is fixed, or the NFL decided its illegal to touch the QB. Great.

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Johnnie Lee's flip unsportsmanlike conduct but the Mile High Salute is perfectly OK?

3:04 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

WHAT? Not Fargas up the gut on third down and a TD instead!!! Sweeet!!!

3:11 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

HOLY CRAP! Can we blow a 21 point lead???

NO!!

This is where the prevent works!!!


SWEEEETTTTT!!!!

3:44 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Fargas did have a great second half (credit where credit s due) but there should be no doubt that McF should be the goal line back for now on.

Great win for the Raiders... sweep the AFCW and this season is salvaged IMO.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reason to live again.
And by the way is it me or is Cutler the biggest g.d. crybaby in the league?




RaiderMike

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets not get too excited about this win. Yes any win is great, but as far as hope.....This broncos team has the most depleted defense in the entire NFL due to injuries. The Raiders were playing a third string defense. Now in saying that...Thank god they won.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

great job by stabler and the boys...hey, wait a minute, what year is it ??

feels great to win in denver. win big. and to dance on the rats face.

i just hope this is a sign of things to come, and not just a norv turner, kerry collins, jerry porter, moment.
remember when they won in snowy denver, but it was the only good thing they accomplished as a group.

let's hope it's for real this time.

4:36 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

WOW!

I'm still in shock. The Raiders scored 31 ponits...IN ONE GAME!!!

I still wonder why we don't use Bush in short yardage situations. Is it because Kiffin suggested it at the start of the season?

4:56 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Seeing Cutler pout and ShanaRat grimace on the sidelines as they have their ass handed to them by the Raiders ... priceless!

4:57 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Fargas is useless around the end zone, while McFadden has a nose for the goal.

Bush is left handed?

Cable could be a decent head coach with a playcalling OC (whose name is not Greg Knapp).

SOB didn't even blitz on 4th and 10. At least he sent four. Last year he would have dropped 11 into coverage.

Russell was extremely efficient... with a QB rating around 149. His only miss was into triple coverage (and should not have been thrown).

Culter and company didn't have Hall to pick on. Chris Johnson is obviously an improvement at CB.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
Culter and company didn't have Hall to pick on. Chris Johnson is obviously an improvement at CB.
>>>

This is where Al (and the coaching staff) deserves the most blame, IMO. This is what kills franchises. We already had a guy better than Hall buried on our roster, and we killed our salary cap to bring him in anyway?

I have never minded Al swinging for the fences, but sometimes there just has to be some common sense, and someone somewhere has to have an eye for who should be playing and who shouldn't. It's seemed almost random for quite some time now... perhaps THIS is where the need of a GM is greatest.

5:10 PM  
Blogger H said...

Damn, we beat the geldings and I didn't have the recorder running.

Good overall play by Howard, even Sands had his moments.

What about that catch by Miller on the pass from Bush. Russell faked and did a naked bootleg late when we needed a first down to ice the game. And, in two games he is completing at 75%.

I looked up the rule, blitzing "Raider" players must be able to defy the laws of physics, specifically the law of inertia.

All in all the look on Shanarat's face was worth it. We overcame those stupid crap (according to Randy Cross) penalties.

Perhaps the pass interference call on McFadden was a little payback by a ref who thought we got hosed earlier? Naw, not in my lifetime anyway.

Next week hosting the Chefs. See you then. I'm snowed under during the week maybe I can get back with you guys on Friday since I'm off.

H

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al must of fell asleep during the 2nd half, cause it was a totally different playbook. 31-10 over the donkos, AWESOME!!! Don't let up.

GO RAIDERS!!!

5:38 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

The thing I am giddy about more than anything is how composed, confident, and accurate JRuss looked!

The coaching staff finally pulled their head out, which will happen now and then, but without a good QB, this franchise is SUNK.

Based on this game alone, I think I would rather have Jruss than Cutler, and I doubt there would have been a time before this I would say such a thing.

I am much more confident of the future than 5 hours ago!

5:53 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
What about that catch by Miller on the pass from Bush.
>>>

1. I wonder how all the whining about being fullback feels now that Bush was more involved in the game in a win?

2. Shades of Christianson/Casper. Miller is a STUD!!!

Get him the ball!

Set at RB, FB, QB, TE... need some help at WR and o-line now. This team isn't that far off. Shhhhhh...

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What surprised me more than a Raider win in Denver was that Randy Cross actually had some good things to say about the Raiders... and even came to their defense.

Great win-- it was so so needed. I hope Cable noticed that when he started mixing up the playcalling, running up the middle started to open up.

JF

6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haven't watched the Raiders in 4 weeks. Just couldn't stand it anymore.

Been keeping tabs under radar, tho.

Glad to know we stuck it into Culter and ShannRat's faces'

Mr. Duva

6:39 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Oh, and one more thing... this is the first time I have seen any actual substantial improvement in five years.

I saw bits and pieces of it it with Kiffin over the last few years, but never anything substantial.

QB improved, defense improved, play calling improved, ST's improved... all three parts of the game instead of juts one or two.

And on the road in a hostile rivalry environment.

Perhaps we did have to take a few steps back to move forward???

Oh, and I still want SOB fired... lol.

7:23 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

great win, we all can agree.

but this will mean nothing if we cannot sustain it, and build on it.

biggest game in a long time next week, against the chefs, in oak.

i know they are roadkill, but that's what donks thought about us this week.
we have to build on this win, and keep getting better.

8:48 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Hey Take,

Its been awhile since you've done a News You Can't Use segment, but I think this will more than qualify:


http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/FantasySourceBlitz/entry/view/15009

Contrast that with this and you'll be left scratching your head:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=489794

We get props from AP, but the Sportingnews writer breaks out the haterade.

Nevertheless, today was a great day in the Nation. We beat the Broncos while KC and San Diego lost too.

8:49 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I've been snowed under with work for about four weeks, and another weeks worth, at least, ahead of me. But wanted to stop by for quick high-five with the Raider faithful.

Your perspective changes a bit when you're not arguing with folks over team concepts and the like. But what has been apparent to me over the last few weeks is that this organiztion, whether they were winning up until today or not, has been putting in some damn serious work to turn this franchise around.

Clinkers are getting released, and guys with attitude are coming aboard. It's up to Cable now. He seems to be getting his legs under him.

If the Raiders can win the next two, I will believe that Cable has finally found the spiggot.

8:54 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

guys, we were a football team today. we beat a depleted bronco defense but all 3 phases decided to show up today. its a start so i hope they keep it up.

10:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never can fault 3 runs up the gut from the 2. I prefer it

Since we haven't been dominating the line-o-scrimmage, I would have thrown on 1st, and ran on 2nd and 3rd.

I watched the raiders today and a real football game broke out!

Another game where only one WR caught any passes.

-moshbucket

11:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Any chance we can play the rest of our home games in Denver?

5:23 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...

Any chance we can play the rest of our home games in Denver?
>>>>


That's pretty funny!

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

Nothing like the tasted of grilled Donkey meat with apples!
Now we just need a "win streak" by beating the Chefs.
I like what Jason Jones blogged about; a lot of questionable penalties were thrown but the Raiders continued to play. What? Maybe something is changing, we normally sulk, complain, and lose.

8:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Baby!! Just win!!! Defense no let up no matter what bogus calls are thrown to them.... Jamarco busto, looking good buddy please prove me wrong on being a bust... offensive play calls, fair job and opened up things but lets build off of it so more...god it feels so good to take some PRIDE and POISE back from the DONKEYS at their place, revenge is so sweet (they shocked us at our stadium, but we cleared them out by the fourth quarter in theirs!!!!)

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets keep it going with the W's becuz we sure dont need nor can we afford another top 5 pick...

11:01 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

The best play call of the day came from McFadden:

"I went over and talked to Coach and said we've got a flip play we can run," McFadden said. "I told him if you give me the flip, I'll promise I'll get in there. So he called it and I felt I had no choice but to get in there."

This is the play that snapped the 15-quarter spell without a touchdown.

Without McFadden's heads up thinking, I'm afraid we would have called...Fargas up the middle.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous tinfoil said...

So I went Thanksgiving shopping with my wife.

Came back around 3:15 and turned on the Atlanta v Carolina game (as I've stopped watching my beloved Raiders fall on their sword) and saw that the Raiders v Broncos score was 31 to 10.

Said, ah man, and was just about to delete the still DVR'ing game, when I noticed that the score was 31 Raiders 10 Broncos. No way I said and did a double take.

And damned if I hadn't read it right!

So I went and told my wife we're gonna give up 22 unanswered points in the last 9 minutes and loose - just like Buffalo and San Diego.

But, no - we held on for the win!

Then watched Snarfy Phil, Pouty LT and Sleepy Norv loose later that night - and thought, there is truly a higher power.

For the next 6 days LIFE is GOOD.........!

5:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Ifa, woulda, coulda, shoulda ...

Man, those 2 games vs. Buff & SD are knawing at my side. 2 games with double digit leads in the 2nd half only to lose.

We win those 2 games and we are sitting in 2nd place at 5 and 6, 1 game out of 1st place. SD would be 3 and 8.

One thing became quite obvious in the Denver game ... McFadden is a game changer and the key to a more efficient red zone offense. The dude has a nose for the end zone. 41 TDs in 38 games at Arkansas says it all. The red zone is the money zone for Run DMc.

What I'm watching for in the 5 remaining games is the Raiders achieving a consistent level of offensive execution. Sustaining drives, 3rd down coversion, red zone conversion.

Last but not least ... I was very proud of our beloved Raiders for 1 BIG reason. Ask yourself the following question: Which team looked more hungry for a win? I was amazed at how the Raiders looked far more motivated than the Donkeys who were playing at home with a playoff bid in the balance.

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You BUFFOONS really think this game meant something? Ha ha ha ha ha, you fanatics are priceless, the faidas beat a team that is in first place with one of the worst records in the league! Get real! The fizzlers are just lucky, it was bound to happen, even the worst teams will win once in a while just due to the laws of probability! Guess what will happen to the faidas next week.....You got it......They LOSE! 3-13 go fizzlers, just win baby....just win.....

10:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

As RT points out, McFadden called the play of the day (pitch-out for a TD). That leads me to believe Cable and Co. should get a hold of some ARK game films and start drawing up some real plays for Run DMc.

We are 3-8. It's time to start opening the playbook, create some misdirection and utilize the weapons we have.

My first choice would be to get Michael Bush more involved at both RB and FB. With just a little imagination, Bush and McFadden could be an unstoppable combination. Think of the headache it would cause defenses trying to cover these two guys in both running and receiving on every down and distance. Yikes!

Fargas up the middle is getting real boring and all too predictable. Based on what we saw in Denver, Fargas may be a good mop up RB. He runs hard (which punishes a tired D) and he has shown good ball security.

3:30 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

In other words, it's time for the Darren McFadden show to begin.

Think of the core we now have in Russell, McFadden, Bush and Miller. With a little help on the O-line and a couple WRs, we could actually have an offense.

3:35 AM  
Blogger H said...

Quick lunch time drive by post.

Upon further review I submit the following ovservation:

Kiffin constantly harped on not making mistakes. Don't turn the ball over, don't false start, don't, don't...

Cable came in and said, it's ok to make a mistake, just make it at 100 miles per hour and learn from it.

Sunday I saw our guys flying everywhere. The two penalties on Howard were because it was impossible for him to stop. In other words he was going 100 MPH.

Alston got his helmet knocked off, picked it up and caught up with Higgins to block if need be carrying it the whole way. In other words he was going 100 MPH.

Maybe it has taken some time to get use to this type of attitude, but the speed in which they were playing was noticeably different.

When you concentrat so much on not making a mistake you move a lot slower. That's ok when disarming a bomb, but not football.

H

10:41 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, I agree completely. I felt the problem with the Kiffin/Russell match up was that Kiffin was too confining to Russell. Russell needed to stretch to find his NFL wings, but Kiffin kept him compressed and thinking too much. It's one thing to avoid mistakes, but it's something else to refuse to take a gamble when a gamble is warrented. The way to minimize the need for a gamble comes from offensive ballance, but Kiffin only wanted to run.

Kiffin was after baby steps, and Cable seems to be after big strides. The next couple of weeks will tell the tale of whether this is the break out game that Cable was looking for.

2:13 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Incidentally, McFadden coming to the sideline to give Cable a play is a great sign. One of the things that characterized the great Raiders of old was the complete involvement of everyone on the team. When Stabler was under center, team members would come back to the huddle and identify the holes for him. Then Stabler would exploit them.

I think that's the kind of chemistry that Cable is looking to build. If we pick up a good WR in the off-season, watch out. Higgins will have another year under his belt, and Carter will also be back.

2:18 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

NYR: You said ... "Think of the headache it would cause defenses trying to cover these two guys in both running and receiving on every down and distance."

Add: McF or Bush on Run/Pass options plays to the mix of things D will need to account and prepare for.

6:55 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

H:

I agree with your point about not worrying about making mistakes as long as you do it at 100mph.

The "play to win" attitude comes about from the confidence instilled by the coaching staff.

The coaching staff needs to concentrate on:

(a) playing an aggressive brand of football that cuts the dogs of war loose

(b) dialing up a creative mix of plays that best uses the personnel

(c) modify the gameplan to maximize the teams strengths and exploit the opponent's weaknesses

(d) disguising and diversifying the schemes to keep the opponent guessing

(e) a willingness to take chances and live with the consequences

When balls to the wall EFFORT, improved EXECUTION, and a sprinkling of CREATIVE playcalling come together the results will follow.

7:08 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I agree that McFadden speaking up is a good sign. The bad sign is that it took a rookie to point out the obvious to our head coach, who was hell bent on running Fargas up the middle or to the right every time at the goal line.

Fargas has NEVER been effective in those situations. He's solid when there's a little space to blast through, but he can't blast through walls or nimbly fly over them. He just hits the wall.

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

I was listening to JT The Brick's national show last night before I went to bed, and he was talking about how the Raiders are going to absolutely gut the OL next year--essentially starting from scratch.

He was discussing how we've got the worst OL in the league, and he's pretty sure that's priority number one for the draft and free agency this off-season.

Gave me reason for hope.

---Jeff

7:59 AM  
Blogger H said...

Blanda,

I remember Snake talking about Upshaw (RIP) telling him to call another toss sweep left because he hit the safety so hard on the last one he would wet his pants if they did it again.

My main complaint about Kiffin, going back to last year, was playing to "not lose". The second half Sunday this team played to win. The Geldings scored to tie and we go deep for 54 yards on the first play. That one play opened up the run game and the underneath stuff for the rest of the game.

Then when Howard made the interception (poetic justice for the crap calls) we put them away.

If this team plays like this the rest of the way and win 3 of the next 5, Cable will have made his case for remaining head coach. If they win 4 he will be back. I do think Knapp will be allowed to rejoin Mora in Seattle.

But, if we start winning down the stretch look for the media to pull out the Jim Fassel rumors at all the press conferences.

Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to all. The turkey will taste a little better this week. So will that new batch of beer I put up a couple of weeks ago.

H

8:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Let's not take anything for granted. KC will be a tough opponent this week. The Raiders will need to stay focused and play like they did against Denver, i.e., mistake-free.

Note, the two roughing calls against Howard were not mistakes. It would be a mistake, however, if he lets up next time.

12:20 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Here's how I see Sunday's game. At 1-10, I think it is highly likely that the Chefs have stopped playing for Edwards, especially with rumors swirling that he's being offered college jobs. Edwards won't be there next year, and the players would just as soon get this season over with and forget it. Kind of like the Raiders were at the end of 2006.

On the other hand, last Sunday shows that the Raider players have NOT stopped playing for Cable. To me, that is the number one factor that Davis will take into account when deciding whether to take the interim tag off of Cable's title. It is apparent that the players believe they are building something.

The only fly in the ointment is the rivalry between the teams. It is possible that the Chefs can muster up a competitive spirit for THIS game. If the Raiders come out flat, and the Chefs are up, expect a close game that the Raiders could potentially lose if they don't keep their wits about them. If the Raiders are up, and determined to build off of last week, we could see a blow out.

If the former, the Raider players might then close it down for the remainder of the season, and Cable will be gone.

If the latter, the Raiders will ride the momentum and may well beat the Dolts the following week. If they vanquish three divisional foes in consecutive meetings, a couple of losses by the Donkeys could have the Raiders in serious contention for a play off bid - even if they finish 8-8.

4:57 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

look, was this so hard for the raiders to figure out ?

winning feels great, and losing sucks.

take it from tarzan, "winning good. losing bad".

and don't play like a bunch of janes no more.

now swing from the trees....

happy thanksgiving everyone.

8:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

OK!!.RAIDERS....

Rape da "Squaw"s and I will watch again with hope....

PantyRaider....Can't Stay Away...

2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Christmas Miracle at Alameda"

Raiders run table.
Broncos and Chargers tank (finish 7-9)
A man can dream can't he.
Happy Thanksgiving.


RaiderMike

6:52 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda - Edwards laughed off rumors of his taking a college HC job (something Kiffin should have done), and even suggested he's already coaching a college team... meaning the Chefs are rebuilding and everyone knows it.

I wouldn't expect the Chefs to lay down for this game. They average about a field goal better than the Raiders in scoring, and one good game by their D could be the difference here. We've seen Russell and the Raiders fall flat enough times to know it can happen again.

A big factor for the Raiders O will be playcalling. Will it be unimaginative with Fargas up the middle on first and second downs, or will Cable mix it up with McFadden, Bush and Miller all contributing.

On D, Raiders must stop the run and get constant pressure on the QB.

There's yin and yang in both these teams. It's a question of who shows up to play.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

6:53 AM  
Anonymous Arkansan Raider said...

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

---Jeff

9:52 AM  
Blogger H said...

OK guys. This is one of the best football weekends for me in years. I just hope 44 beers is enough.

Saturday I get Georgia-Georgia Tech (son-in-law of H went to Tech) followed by Alabama-Auburn, then on Sunday I get Raiders-Chefs.

It's one of those rare times when you have that many games this time of year where the records truly don't matter.

I don't care what Gelding folks say, this is the real Raider rivalry. The opening better have Ben Davidson "touching" down Len Dawson with his helmet(Remember that one Blanda). I think that play started it all. Bobby Bell and Buch Buchannon vs. Gene Upshaw and Art Shell.

We need a long winning streak in this series to get back on top and put some distance in it.

If we win this one and beat the Dolts, the odds are probably 80% that both Herm and Norv are gone.

We have to be careful with this one because KC's only win was against the Geldings.

Anyway, have fun and enjoy this one.

H

5:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

H....

KC's only win was agaist da "Donko"s....Good point sense da "Squaw"s play da "Donko"s next week....

Jet's should handle their game easily and if the "Squaw"s can do it again the "Donko"s are 6-7...Than they have...
@ Carolina...
Buffalo......
@ "Dolt"s....
They will be lucky to finish at 8-8...

Looking at resant history the "Donko"s have failed to finish the season strong....They have been in the Play-Off Hunt but been knocked-off at the end of the season...They have been a below "500" team consistantly....Jay has failed under preasure...Currently they are a -44 pts on the season dispite a 6-5 record....

Here's to hoping it happens again this year and the cards are stacked against them....The fall has begun....

As for the Raiders...It will be tough after this week's game to finish at "500"...

@ SD.....
NE.......
Houston..
@ TB.....

Anything is posible...

The "Dolt"s have been stumbling and finish the season against the AFC West + a game @ "TB"...The "Patsy-Cheatster"s may get punished by the "Squeeler"s and be softer when we play them as their second WestCoast Road Game in a row....Houston is about to be 4-8...."TB" has 3 games against their divission before playing "SD"...If they win these games they may be in a position to rest their players and give the Raiders a chance for "V"...

PantyRaider...One Game @ a Time!!!/...

HappyHolidays..???..

I can't leave sense the Bangkok Airport is shut down by violent protesters...Last month it was just a small border war between Cambodia-n-Thailand...The Thai govenment has lost control of their military because they want another "Take-Over" so will need to depend upon the police to clear out the airport...MeanWhile terror strikes India and the thret is high on US soil...

Another BEER please!!!!

6:17 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

“Sunday at Denver, Cable called upon defensive-backs coach Willie Brown to address the Raiders about the tradition that dates to 1960. Cable has something in store for this weekend's game against the Chiefs but isn't tipping his hand.”

This is a method that helped Art Shell win games in his first stint as HC, ie, talking Raider pride before the game. Plus, there’s nothing more important than divisional games. Not "talking up" division games was one of my biggest criticisms of Kiffin. It’s foolish to tell the players this is just another game in the schedule.

6:33 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

H-

For the record, I vividly remember the Ben Davidson somersault on Dawson. Raiders-chefs to me is the greatest rivalry in sports.

Also for the record, I don't think Cable is the answer.

As for norvall, check this link out...

http://www.cbs8.com/story.php?id=147434#

9:59 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

happy BELATED THANKSGIVING all!

has anyone seen that blanda's favorite writer n. gay has picked the chiefs to beat the raiders this sunday? has she freakin' lost her mind? how many wins do the chiefs have? IF we play like we did last weekend we WILL win this game!

7:23 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Chiefs top two leading WRs combine for about 100 receptions, while the Raiders combine for about 43, including 11 by their #2 leading WR, Ashley Lelie (Miller is #1 w/32 rec).

Thigpen has 13 TDs in limited action, while Russell has 7 for the entire year.

Thigpen has over 200 yards rushing. I don't know Russell's stat, but it's not even close.

You would think we might hold an advantage running the ball, but we don't. Johnson and Charles have far better per play averages than Fargas and McFadden.

The Chiefs are averaging about 30+ points per game over the last few weeks. The one game the Raiders scored 31 came with a punt return TD.

Anyone who thinks this game is a lock is kidding themselves. We could be in for a long day if Thigpen is on his game and we can't stop the run, again.

6:13 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sorry, in rechecking the stats, we have Curry with 14 rec and Walker with 15 rec.

Here's how it breaks down with WRs and TEs:

Raiders
Miller 32 Rec 1 TD
Walker 15 Rec 0 TD
Curry 14 Rec 1 TD
Lelie 11 Rec 2 TD

Chiefs
Gonzales 65 Rec 6 TD
Bowe 58 Rec 6 TD

Can we stop the run (including Thigpen scrambling) and keep these two receivers in check... and somehow manage to score ourselves?

6:25 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Hey-

Really, take a look at the above link to see what norv's guys think of him. Maybe he'll head to Tennessee with Kiffin...

10:11 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

The thing about KC is that they score a lot of points mostly because they can't stop anybody... 32nd in the league.

The Raiders are 25th, but at least occasionally look good on D... plus it looks like KC is into 3rd stringers and rookies all across their line... something Jmark and McF should be looking forward to.

9:02 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

What I would like to see is Fargas having a limited role in the first half and then get more carries in the second half when the D is tired, because of his motor and second effort (and lack of sight to see holes while the D is fresh).

It seems this is one thing Cable seems to have assbackwards. I don't get it. I see improvement everywhere else...

9:13 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I can't believe how much criticism I've seen around here regardin Fargas. The guy goes out and carries for over 100 yards, and reading the posts on this site you'd expect him to be the next mid season cut.

The problem with Fargas up the middle on 3rd and goal at the one isn't Fargas, it's the damn call. Every member of the D is looking for Fargas up the gut because Kiffin would have never let JRuss pass in that situation. Have JRuss throw a play action or two inside the five, and it will open up for Fargas again.

But there are about five weapons the Raiders have inside the five, and they should use and rotate all of them. In addition to Fargas up the gut, there's Bush up the gut, JRuss on the sneak, McFadden on the sweep (or option), JRuss on the roll out to Miller, Bush on the FB screen...

8:55 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders are favored by 3 at home...does that count for anything????

NFL.Com states the Raiders are thinking "Play-Off"s....Was that a "Slam" on the team....

3-8 trailing 6-5 AFC West Leader...We would need to finish the season winning 6 in a row....When was the last time a Raider team did that...

PantyRaider...Posibilities????/_

9:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda - you hit it on the head. It's not Fargas as much as it is the playcalling. Fargas runs hard and secures the ball well. However, with a healthy McFadden, it's time to open the playbook. That's the main criticism here.

10:04 AM  
Blogger H said...

PantyRaider,

NFL.com is right. The Raiders are thinking playoffs. Tom Cable said that until they are mathmatically eliminated that's his goal. And, that's what he is telling the team.

The deck is stacked against them, but if they play today and Thursday like they played last week, it's possible. Not probable, but possible.

H

12:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice run "huggycub" Better ball handling, Oh! CHIEFS post 3 more points, 10 point lead after "huggycub" fumble! faidas fizzlers AGAIN! 3-13....Just dream babies, defend the "nation" ha ha ha ha ha ah

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Scorpio, I guess Nancy Gay knows what she is talking about, doesn't she? lol

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great game! faidas LOSE again! And to another of the worst teams in the league! If anyone could do it the faidas would be that "teem", look forward to another fizzler loss next week, knocking the fizzlers completely out of contention for any post season competition! Go figure....I knew the faidas wouldn't be in the playoffs in July of "08", Did you fizler fanatics actually think that the Broncos game meant something? Your faidas are the DREGS of the NFL....They always will be.....Defund the notion.

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heartland Raider Fan

Let's hear all of you brilliant football prognasticators tell me what a fantastic choice JaMarcus Russell was.
A 35% accuracy for a #1 overall pick .....You morons got what you deserve

5:19 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
I can't believe how much criticism I've seen around here regardin Fargas.
>>>


The guy is a LOSER, sorry.

The play he fumbled would prolly have been a TD if we were building the team around McF instead of Fargas.

His first TD in how many games or carries (I forget what the stat was) is just a coincidence???

We are building the team around a player that would prolly be the third RB on 28 teams.

Wonderful.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy Gary. Don't even try and put this one on Fargas. This game was lost on a 10 point turnaround on one of the most boneheaded play calls I've ever seen and than not long after that inexplicably going on 4th and 3 with a chip shot field goal to be made. That's 13 points all on the coaching staff. We certainly are not good enough to give away 13 points to anyone and win. Fargas fumble is in consequential if the guys getting paid to coach just do their job instead of trying to shock the world. Cable sealed his fate today. Too bad because I think he has potential.

RaiderMike

5:46 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Mike... the problem I have with the trick calls was because of whom we were playing, thats it. After enduring 15 years of some of the most insipid play-calling in the NFL, I am sure not going to complain too damn much about creativity except for we were PLAYING THE CHIEFS. Just get points on the board and make them beat us, not the other way around.

Stupid coaching, agreed. As usual.

But I'm just sick of Fargas. If not for all the losing, he'd prolly be a great role-playing RB.

If anyone here is going to try and tell me he is a game changing RB, or he has any hope to be such, I am calling them out. Like I said, its not a coincidence he has scored a whopping 7 TD's in his entire fucking career. The holes he is getting his yards with this year should be McF or Bush's yards IMO.

The fumble play was a TD with McF... I will say it again. Why did we even draft him? This is Fargas's team. Boy that scares people, Im sure!

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's hear all of you brilliant football prognasticators tell me what a fantastic choice JaMarcus Russell was.
A 35% accuracy for a #1 overall pick .....You morons got what you deserve

Where was that last week, oh heartless one?

10:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"JRus"....

a rookey who has "NOT" been put in a position to win...

Team Management-n-Coaching are to blame along with a worthless "D"....

Same goes for "McFab"...7/13yds...Can you blame that on him or the play calling-n-blocking...He was 3/50yds as a receiver...

Both rookies are now under their second "HC"-n-GamePlan in their 1st year as starters....What could we expect to come from this "CRAP"....

PantyRaider...Tatally-Disgusted!!!!

4:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Losing this game comes down to bad coaching. First of all, never, ever design a play that has SeaBass carrying the ball. Period.

Meanwhile, we left 6 points on the field by running the bonehead fake FG, then later going on 4th down.

Can somebody that went to the game tell me if the wind was too strong to attempt these field goals?

Ok, in leaving 6 points on the field we handed them 7. Let me get my abacus out. That's 6 wasted and 7 gifted. Hummm, that's 19-13 us.

The topper came at the end. After the FG to bring us within 7, why didn't we onside kick? At that point we had two chances to get the ball back: 1) onside kick and 2) on downs. We completely ignored #1, and we fell flat on #2.

About Russell, he threw behind, under and over his recievers most of the day. I don't know what to make of his progress, or lack thereof.

5:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Oh yeah, I don't want to forget to congratulate the Oakland Raiders for officially setting the NFL record with their sixth straight losing season (not that there was any doubt). It wasn’t half-assed either. They managed to stay at the very bottom of the league every year.

With the league built around parity, other teams couldn’t be as bad as the Raiders if they tried. Al Davis should be truly be proud.

The best news is there’s nothing in place to prevent another losing season next year. Whooopi!

6:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Jason Jones guy just lost all credibility saying that the game was lost on that flubbed fake field goal that early in the game.

Give me a F-ing break.

Was it a good call? That you can argue.


That said, I personally would have went for the fieldgoal, then we would have kicked another later on instead of going for it on fourth.

Just saying, you don't loose the game on one play in the first half.

-moshbucket

8:15 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

There were two game-changing plays that lost the game, IMO.

One, the person above all that was brought in to change the losing, Wilson, clanging a sure game changing interception off his helmet. And he's been the most vocal about how fucked up things are here??? MAKE THE PLAYS TO CHANGE IT, YOU FRIGGING LOSER. That drive was KC's offense's only TD... is Wilson out there taking responsibility for it?

I bet anything he was nowhere to be found. Easy to point fingers at others, but not so easy to accept blame, is it LOSER?

And then the mirage fumble because Fargas (the veteran) doesn't know enough about football to switch the football to the outside during break away plays... isn't that something taught in high school?

I realize that was prolly the first time in his career he has ran to daylight, but leaving the ball on the inside are things that need to be made by our veterans.

Jeesh this team is a mess.

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary I totally agree with you that I could live a little easier with those ridiculous play calls if they're playing the Patriots or the Cowboys-teams that you know are going to score a ton where 3 pts means shit.Fargas had over 80 yards and almost a 5yd avg. McFadden couldn't get anything going. The fumble was bad but it only cost us 3 points. The game was absolutely lost on the attempt to flip the ball to Seabass and turn him magically into Napolean Kaufman- Unf!@##n believable!
Also let us not forget how we can not stop ANYBODY on 3rd down. Thanks again Rob Ryan.

RaiderMike

8:42 AM  

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