Sunday, October 26, 2008

First Quarter Take

Three offensive possessions and negative nine yards total with four minutes left in the first quarter. Two sacks and a safety. That's called a bad start. That's called 2006. Time to get out of the time machine and start moving the ball. 


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the world are we running?

Pass the Ball Knapp!

Mr. Duva

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...




11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That last TD run by Fluck-o was not a TD. Wilson hit him on about the 2 and his knee hit the ground before he crossed. Not that it really matters.


12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh well, back to square one again.

this team just cannot get things moving forward. when was the last time the raiders had a winning streak ?

they also do not look much better then 5 years ago, which is alarming in this age of parity.

1:20 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The bad decisions started with the very first, receiving the ball in game that you know will be determined by the defenses. Field position cost us 2.

The next series of bad decisions fall on Knapp. We ran right into their strength. Why???

That was some of the most vanilla play-calling we've seen all year.

Ok, then we opened it up a bit and it worked a little.

However, going for it on 4th and 21 at mid-field was very questionable.

But going on 4th down inside our own 20 with 4 1/2 minutes left is stupid with capital S. That play sent me home.

Added bonehead plays.

Higgins downing a kickoff at the one.

Russell throwing out of bounds on 4th down deep in the Ravens territory. So what if they intercept it... at least give your WR a chance to make a play.

I agree. This game set us back to 2006.

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok... can SOB just resign now in shame? His brother made him look like HS coach.

I can call his base defense from my seat in front of the teevee on EVERY third and long... ya think the opposing teams OC can figure it out. Lets see... third and long... all we have to do is throw a short pass and break one tackle and its a first down. Works every time after time after time after time. All the way down the field... from any point on the field... especially when its on their 3 yard line.

Agonizing. What moron calls the same play in the same situation every time ESPECIALLY IF IT NEVER WORKS?????

And is it just me, or does it seem like Fargas purposely tries to find the biggest guy on the field and run right into the middle of him regardless of which team he is on? I love that he is not scared of bashing into people, but isn't it better to run for daylight instead of... well... the biggest guy on the field.

That early draw on third and like 40 should have been a first down... all he had to do is run around a lardass and he ran right into him anyway. Still the dumbest team in the NFL.

Kinda embarrassing. 8-8 is going to win the AFCW and we don't have enough brains anywhere to get there. Embarrassing.

2:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


In this day and age of parity in the NFL, in my opinion it is quite alarming that we have not seen improvement from the Raiders in six years now

2003 4-12
2004 5-11
2005 4-12
2006 2-14
2007 4-12
2008 2-5 and counting

When can we expect this team to get better?

2:39 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

Well I admit after the safety I wasn't really paying that much attention to the game.

Too bad it happened so early.

It's interesting to see the difference in Rex and Rob, since they both learned their craft under their dad. Seemed like Rex had a much more aggressive, chaotic style of D. And the speed factor completely goes to Rex's squad. It was hard for me to tell if it was all scheme or personnel, regardless Rex ended up schooling Rob. And the Raiders AGAIN got burned in zone. Can anybody tell me the upside of playing zone over m2m? Is it just about conditioning?

I liked that mix of running and throwing plays. I wouldn't mind a slight lean towards running plays at this juncture. I'm not sold that Russell is ready to really put the team on his shoulders yet. But he's improving game by game. And I hope Knapp can get Miller somehow more involved since he seems to be the only fracking player that can get seperation.

I love Fargas, but I agree. He doesn't seem to run to daylight. And staying healthy is somewhat of a skill, just like being able to cut back.

And I disagree that we're back to 2006. At times both the offense and defense looked very good, which is something I don't think I ever thought in 2006. Though maybe time has mellowed my recollections and anger.

And totally on an aside, Kim Mu Na (and if anybody here knows who that is I'll be impressed) is amazing.


PS Niners losing by 17, maybe it wasn't Nolan's fault, just like maybe it wasn't Kiff's.

3:03 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

Err that should be Ya-Na Kim is amazing -- helps if I spell her name correctly.


3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fizzlers SUCK as usual, what did you MAROONS expect, an HC that claps for anything that happens on the field, (is he watching the same game that we are seeing?) I gues he's trying to keep his guys motivatied....Ha ha, a "d" that can't stop a Pop Warner team from scoring, an "o" that can't scoe when they're on the 3 yard line... A coaching staff that cna't put together a high school quality game plan. And last but not owner who doesn't remember his own name! I guess it's all clear now why the fizzlers are sooooo bad. Just wallow in disbelief babies, defend the notion! 2-14.

5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



6:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm numb to it all now. I'll let Elway talk for me this time:

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

going for it on 4th and 21 wasn't as bad as russell rolling out, seeing a ton of open space in front of him, and instead of running for the first down, he just throws the ball away. at least if you run, you have a chance of getting the first down. if you don't get it, at least you pick up something and move the other team back a little. but throw it away? what, can't jadummy run for it more than once a game? if joe flaccid can run more than once, than jadummy can do the same. this is just sad.

6:51 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

'moron' (noun)

1. A feebleminded person or mental defective who has a potential age of between 8 and 12 years and is capable of doing routine work under supervision.

2. A very stupid person (moronic)

3. Faida Boy who had the audacity to call Raider fans 'maroons'.

You just got to laugh out loud at a guy like Faida Boy ... he trys to insult the Raider fans lack of intelligence when he isn't even smart enough to spell the word moron correctly.

Hey Faida Boy, do yourself a favor ... invest in a dictionary, look up the word 'irony', and spell it out in finger paint.

7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are now 2-5 for the third season in a row. Please don't insult my intelligence and try to tell me that the Raiders are making progress. I just don't see it. Oh how I long for the 2005 season when we were 3-4 after 7 games.

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at payton mannings first season.

Look what turf toe did to Tomlinson.

We got beat by veteran pro-bowl defense that's been together for awhile. Our D is basically reshuffled, with some serious lyability. Rob beats Rex in the battle of D's if he's coaching that squad.

Jamarcus needs to just throw it at chaz whether he's covered or not in those situations.

pick #5, o-line from Alabama.


7:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


the problem with the raiders is there's always some excuse they have.

yes, turf toe is a tough injury, but c'mon.

sure jruss is young, but next week we play rookie ryan and i bet he looks much further along than jruss.

maybe rex does have better players than rob, but are rob's players this bad, or is it bad scheme's ??

it's time to end the excuses. we are regressing in road games since cable was hired.

the idea is to improve. or was the idea just to get rid of kiffin ?

8:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since we will have a new coach next season, the 2009 excuse will be, "Well it is a new head coach and coaching staff and they need to have time to get acclimated and get it all together" Bullshit!! Mike Smith, Tony Sparano, and John Harbaugh don't seem to be having trouble winning games. I am sick of the goddamn excuses coming from the Raiders. I have rooted for the Raiders since 1980 and I am just about at the end of my rope for this team. Things are NOT getting better.

9:01 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

In one game as a head coach, Mike Singletary has done what I've been waiting ages for a Raiders coach to do.

After Vernon Davis committed a personal foul, Singletary got in his grill, and later sent him to the showers with 10 minutes remaining, citing Davis's nonchalant attitude. Singletary said: "I'd rather play with 10 people and just get penalized all the way until we have to do something else rather than play with 11 when I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team. It is more about them than it is about the team. Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win."

9:49 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

bama7, I agree some with Elway's assessment. On some level I respect his opinion, but on another it sounds alittle like sourgrapes/piling on.

I don't think our line is that bad and if McFadden were healthy we'd have an incredibly deep back field, as it is, it's still pretty good with with Fargas and Bush.

Miller is an elite TE, sweet hands, can block and is the only guy when not double teamed can actually get open.

Our WR corp is pathetic though. That I'll give Elway. But it seems once his WR's left for greener pastures most of them flamed out, so it was probably more about Elway (bleh) than his receivers. And since many have compared Russell's arm to Elway's... Russell in time can/will elevate his recievers. But right now, they aren't helping him at all.

Which leads to one of the many probelms with the Raiders right now. Offensively they are stymied by the fact they can only run the ball and try to throw the ball to Zach. I'd imagine it's fairly easy to game plan for that.

I really wish Kiffin hadn't been fired... the Raiders seemed to be improving. Outside of the opener, at least I felt if a play here or there had been made, we would have won. That we were this close to victory. I haven't felt that way in 2 of the 3 games under Cable. But maybe Cable will turn it around and not compile double digit losess. At this point, that's all I'm looking for.

And that's a pretty damning testiment to how far the Raiders have fallen.

9:59 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

Take, psst, I wish someone would do that with Hall.

But he seems to have Davis' ear, so it will never happen.


10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really think Singletary would get away with banning one of our players to the locker room? Especially one of Al's pet players? Yeah I didn't think so either.

4:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Rob Ryan:
I thought we didn't play "prevent" defenses? A soft zone defense that you play with is a prevent defense.
Another week, and again I'm left saying, "The more aggressive team wins." When your team is passive like the Raiders have been for awhile, you get blown out by a team like the Ravens.
Yes, the Ravens have a tremendous defense; but we should have been able to shut down their offense.
If you read about the 60-yard pass, and why it happened; it became the epitamy of what is wrong with the Raiders; bad play-calling, and players leaving their assigned spots. Demetrius Williams said of that pass, "I was surprised at first because you never get that open in the NFL, it’s just something that’s not heard of."
I've never seen a team so consistently melt down the way the Raiders have done, on all sides of the ball: Defense, Offense, and Special Teams. 35 TOTAL YARDS in the first half! Let that soak in.
That was worse than embarrassing.

6:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bad gameplan. We should have thrown early and often; Ravens secondary is iffy at best, it's why they have three losses. It looks like we have five legit defensive players--Asomugha, Hall, Howard, Morrison and Wilson...and Morrison and Wilson had bad games. Maybe throw Warren in that mix because he takes up blockers and plays hard. Not sure that we have five or six on O.

6:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sold yet on Cable... I like some things (the penalties WERE non-existent yesterday, and he did get the team to play hard and opened things up in the second half.. which was nice, but I do know for a fact I want SOB fired after this season. I keep hoping he will change I keep seeing the same moronic things.

Who continues to have the same passive base defense EVERY TIME there is a third and long. They don't even pretend to blitz... it's like how many times do I have to say "Here comes our base four with the LB's back peddling followed by a short pass and a missed tackle for first down?"

If I've seen it once the last 5 years, I've seen it 50 times.

If an NFL team can't figure out how to stop any team on third and long... they are not going to win many games... and that is what we have. SOB is killing this franchise IMO.

11:57 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Now Gary's finally losing his patience. That's how bad it's gotten.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


what mike singltary did will never happen with the raiders.

bill callahan came closest with his "dumbest team in america" comment.
and he was shown the door.

al davis expects his head coaches to turn rotten players into great players.
when this fails to happen, davis views it as the coaches fault, not the players.

the coaches are fired while the players get a free ride for many season's.

how many times have we seen bad players outlast several coaching regimes ?

2:27 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I'm still really confused why Cable decided to receive the ball to begin the game. After all the hype that it would be a defensive game, why start with your offense? Why not play to win field position.

Just to add insult to injury, the Raiders' D forced the Ravens 3-and-out on their first possession. Perhaps the safety could have been ours.

3:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It’s hard for me to argue with this critique.

By Mike Preston - Baltimore Sun

“... Oakland has no offensive line. The Raiders' coverage units on special teams were pathetic, and their defense tried to play man-to-man in the secondary with no pass rush.”

“Just how bad were the Raiders?”

“They had minus-2 yards of offense after the first quarter. Johnnie Lee Higgins took a kickoff and ran straight out of bounds at the 2-yard line. On Demetrius Williams' 70-yard touchdown catch in the second quarter, Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco could have also thrown to tightend Todd Heap, who was as wide open on the right sideline as Williams was on the left.”

“Every time a West Coast team plays poorly on the East Coast, someone suggests that the NFL change the starting time from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. because of the time difference. But there is no excuse for the Raiders. They (could) stink up the field anywhere in the world at any time.”

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A first for me in 40, mark it boys, 40 years
I turned off the tv after the flacco reception.

I watered the mums and cleaned up dog dookey after that. Funny, because I watched every minute of every bugel game.

No more.

Anyone else watching Kerry Collins playing well on mnf? As mobile as bledsoe or marc wilson yet the offense, imagine this, is tailored to his abilities. Quick slants, underneaths to the TE, setting up runs...not just plays in a row but an offense.

Someone in TN has the ability to gauge talent as the O line as allowed only 2 sacks in 6 games?
How dare they.
Building from the inside out w/O line & D line as I see TN also drop a rb on 4 and 1 for a 5 yd loss.

Kerry Collins is 6-0.....

Just talking out loud...

8:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


i remember john madden saying once that he and al davis always disagreed on where to start building a team.

al would argue to start with two shut down corners, while john believed the 0-line was the place to begin.

as we watch the raiders go draft after draft without even taking one 0-lineman, while stocking up with never ending Db's, it's clear john was never able to convince al.

yes, kerry collins has been put in position to be a winner.
this never happened in oakland.
these days players just come to oakland to be "loved" by al davis. and for that great paycheck.

sad indeed.

9:05 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

You want to talk about sad ...

The Raiders have played 7 games ...

In 7 1st halfs, covering 212 plays, 44 possessions, 99:57 of action ... the Raiders have 1 TD. 1 freakin' TD! The Raiders have average 5.1 points per 1st half. (9 FGS, 1 Safety, 1 TD = 36 pts.)

This offensive ineptitude is approaching the historical level of impotence of 2006.

10:32 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

That's what happens when you start the game running the ball against a team that excels in stopping the run. 3-and-out becomes a way of life.

I guess Cable's notion that the team focus on player matchups instead of scheme didn't work.

He needs to come up with a game plan.

5:20 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

7 of our first 9 plays were running plays for a total 14 yards. It was until our 4th possession that we threw the ball on 1st down, and that drive ended on 3-and-out with back-to-back runs.

This is why we don’t score in the first half.

5:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now Gary's finally losing his patience. That's how bad it's gotten.


Yup... especially since we are still only two games out of first and the two teams ahead of us are just as capable of looking completely lost.

I am trying to figure out exactly what this team is trying to accomplish... that we have enough talent to win conservatively?

Thats the most frustrating part to me... if we are going to lose, at least lose it on the field by throwing everything you have at them... blitzes, trick plays, no-huddles... etc etc.

8:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You say everything we have at them...auuhum, Al won't allow it, when will you learn?

12:43 PM  

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