Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Raider Nate's Mock Draft

By Raider Nate 75

I think Chris Long falls to us now that the Dolphins made their selection. If he doesn't fall to us, then we trade the pick with Cincinnati so they can pick up McFadden. The Raiders would get the #9 and Chad Johnson; and maybe, just maybe, we could make a run for Frostee Rucker (DE out of USC). But if Chris is there, and the Raiders don't take him, Kansas City will, especially if they lose Jared Allen.

1. Dolphins-Jake Long, OT, Michigan. No surprise here, the Dolphins need a lot of help at every level, and they go with the best player on the board. Second Option: Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas. He could (and should) be the first overall pick, and he could help keep opposing defenses honest, and Beck or McCown upright and off their back the whole game. It wouldn�t surprise me if they chose McFadden, I just think they are going after Chris Long.

2. Rams-Vernon Gholston, DE, the Ohio State. They pull the first surprise here with this selection. It is long been speculated that the Dolphins would have gone after Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, and went with offensive help instead. Second Option: Chris Long, DE, Virginia.

3. Falcons-Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU. The Falcons need help at every level as well, and though they need OFFENSIVE help badly, they go with a strong DT. Not only do they need a QB, they need a playmaker, and that is what they find in McFadden. Second Option: Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas . Yes, they need a QB, but will reserve that pick for later with either Chad Henne or Ryan Carpenter (the sleeper QB in the Draft). They go for the upgrade on defense with Ellis.

4. Raiders-Chris Long, DE, Virginia. Yes Raider Fans, we get our man! Second Option: Trade with the Bengals for 9th overall pick, and Chad Johnson and Frostee Rucker, where we select Sam Baker, OT, USC; while the Bengals select Sedric Ellis, DT, USC.

5. Chiefs-Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St. They need help against the pass. Help at the CB position is a start, and it will be okay if the keep Jared Allen. Second Option: Chris Long, DE, Virginia if the Raiders don't get him, the Chiefs will.

6. Jets-Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas. They need help on offense, especially in this area to help out Thomas Jones. This will give them a 1-2 punch at this position. Second Option: Trade the pick.

7. Patriots-Keith Rivers, OLB, USC. What is the one position they are growing old in, OLB. They are also hurting for a CB after losing 2, and with Rodgers-Cromartie off the board they go with Keith Rivers, and get a CB in the next round. Second Option: Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas.

8. Ravens-Limas Sweed, WR, Texas. They need a big time receiver to help them out offensively, and that is what they will get in Sweed. Second Option: DeSean Jackson, WR, California.

9. Bengals-Sedric Ellis, DT, USC. They fill a huge void here, and give help to their defensive line. Second option: Trade pick and Chad Johnson to the Raiders

10. Saints-DeSean Jackson, WR, California. They need help at this position to give Brees some options, and to ease the protection against Bush. Second Option: Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas.

11. Bills-Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan. Another team that needs WR help. Second Option: Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami.

12. Broncos-Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St. The Donkeys need to protect Cutler, and help him mature as a QB. Second Option: Keith Rivers, OLB, USC.

13. Panthers-Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas. The Panthers need offensive help, signing Brayton may give them help for Peppers, but they need a playmaker on offense to help their struggling team. Second option: Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College.

14. Bears-Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College. They are looking for a QB to give competition to Kyle Orton because Grossman is not panning out. They need help at WR as well, but look for them to make that adjustment in later rounds. Second Option: Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon.

15. Lions-Sam Baker, OT, USC. They finally break the streak of choosing a WR. They fill a need at the O-line position. Second Option: Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois.

16. Cardinals-Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn. They need help here and at CB. So they go with the big pass rush. Second Option: Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt.

17. Vikings-Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville. They need help at this position. They could wait, and get a gem in the later rounds with Ryan Carpenter, but I think they go after Brohm. Second Option: Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh.

18. Texans-Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt. Their defense is solid, and they need pass protection help. They will swing for a RB in the later rounds, but they need to focus on O-line. Second Option: Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh.

19. Eagles- Sedric Ellis, DT, USC. The Eagles need a WR, but can get one in the 2nd round, or later. They also have defensive holes to fill, so they select Ellis. Second Option: Malcom Kelly, WR, Oklahoma.

20. Buccaneers-Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon. Cadillac Williams is a clunker. They need help on offense at this position, receiver, and O-line. Second Option: Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh.

21. Redskins-Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh. They need to protect their new asset in Jason Campbell. Second Option: Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma.

22. Cowboys-Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas. Losing two CB�s they need help. Second Option: Mike Jenkins, CB, S Florida.

23. Steelers-Branden Albert, OG, Virginia. Replacing Alan Faneca. May be looking at an OT as well. Second Option: Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy.

24. Titans-Calais Campbell, DE, Miami. Need to help Kearse who is injury prone. Second Option: Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida.

25. Seahawks-Fred Davis, TE, USC. They need help here, and they will find their help. Second Option: Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue.

26. Jaguars-Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida. Losing Marcus Stroud is a HUGE loss for this team�s defense, and they need to fill it if they are going back to the postseason. Second Option: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson.

27. Chargers-Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy. This is not a team with many holes, but CB and WR seem to glare out. They may also look to replace Turner at RB. Second Option: Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida.

28. Cowboys-Chauncey Washington, RB, USC. Losing Jones was huge, and though they have Barber, they need help in this area as well. Second Option: Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida.

29. 49ers-Chad Henne, QB, Michigan. Not satisfied with the play of Alex Smith, they need to bring competition in. Second Option: Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College.

30. Packers-Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida. Woodson and Harris are aging. Though they are solid, this could be a potential hurting place.

31. Patriots-pick forefeited for cheating.

32. Giants-Jerod Mayo, MLB, Tennessee. The best MLB in the draft, and a HUGE need for the Giants. Second Option: Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami.

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147 Comments:

Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderNate...

I basically agree with your first 3 picks but I can't see the "Lamb"s skipping a more proven "SOH" for a very risky Gholston....True...Speculation is that he has a lot of Up-Side where "SOH" may not BUT he also lacks instincts-n-motor....He wears out quickly and misses plays and has trouble getting off blocks....Those are huge Negs----at the pro-level....

So in event "SOH" is gone at #2 there is a very very strong possibility the "Bird"s make a trade down with "NO" or "BR"....#10-n-#8...and pick up additional picks...They now have 6 picks on day #1 and 11 overall....They could end up with 7 picks on day #1 and possibly 13 over-all....They have way too many holes to fill so with the new management in place they want to try to rebuild the team in one year....

"NO" wants "DT" Dorsey
"BR" wants the "QB" sense McNair retired...

As for the trade down scenario with the "S&B"....I see your point as a possibility based on need for a "WR" and he is a good one....However...."McFabulous" is so Multi-Dimensional with so much Up-Side that he can also fill that need....He is the Ultimate "Slash" player NOT just another "RB"....In Kiffin's system he would be used like Bush was at USC...He will line-up all over the field and even when he is NOT the target of the play will draw the attention of multiple players on the "D" wherever he goes....His "Decoy" ability is Un-Surpassed...There is NO other player available who could potentially do so much for our "O" and make JaMarcus's job so much easier....Remember we are starting the season with an Un-Proven "Rookie" at "QB"....

If in a normal world we had a veteran "QB" picking up the "WR" would make a lot of sense....But we aren't in that normal world situation with a "Rookie" starter at "QB"....He needs to have a lot of help around him to relieve the pressure....As you no doubt know....Every "D" will try to bring the heat on him and see if he will get frustrated into making mistakes....But with a player like "McFabulous" in the back-field the "D"s will have to slow down the Pass-Rush and always Check-down on what "McFab" is doing...That 1 or 2 second distraction is enough to give JaMarcus the time to develop his plays...

This is too important an issue to pass on so I believe we will draft "McFab" at #4...

PantyRaider...Pimping "Slash" McFadden!!!

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I've got Sedric Ellis in 2 places, my mistake. So with Pick #19, the Eagles select Malcom Kelly, WR, LSU.

5:25 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nicely done Nate. Although, I don't see Chad Johnson fighting with Walker to be #1.

For a team with so many needs, clearly RB is not one of them. I really believe we have to give Bush a chance to step up. Otherwise, we've wasted yet another draft pick.

Almost subconsciously, I was hoping that Jake Long would be a good fit for us (we desperately need a LT). That turns out to be moot.

Our focus now has to be on the D-line, to bolster a horrendous run D.

Al Davis has made it abundantly clear, there are NO EXCUSES this year. He has left his coaching staff intact (a coup in itself) and signed beaucoup players, possibly even at the behest of his coaches. His statement is resoundingly, produce a winning team now or heads will roll.

With the #4 pick, the Raiders pick Chris Long (Glenn Dorsey if SOH is gone).

5:59 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

That's a good point about the Ravens looking at a QB. But I don't think there is a QB worthy to be picked in the first round. Like I said with the Falcons, Rudy Carpenter is going to be the sleeper QB in the draft, where a few years down the road, he's going to be lights out if he is starting somewhere. The dude has the guts of Favre, and the competitive fire of the Snake. He's going to be a good QB.
That is why I think more teams will not select a QB in the first round.
NYRaider, I agree for the majority that Walker and Johnson fighting to be #1, but Walker does not, and cannot stretch the field like Johnson. Walker is a good up the middle receiver that knocks around the linebackers and safeties. Johnson keeps the defense honest. I think it would be a tremendous 1-2 punch for our offense, giving us the Cliff Branch-Malcom Barnwell/James Lofton feel. This is what the Moss-Porter thing was to do for us, but with Johnson and Walker, we would have the 2 receivers who would actually work hard to get things done.
If we don't trade, and SOH is there and we pick him, look for us to trade up into the 2nd or 3rd round and pick up Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas St

6:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This might be the worst mock draft I have ever seen. Sedric ellis is picked twice. Sam Baker in the first. Your USC love is unparralled. 3 recievers in the top 11. Come on.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This might be the worst mock draft I have ever seen. Sedric ellis is picked twice. Sam Baker in the first. Your USC love is unparralled. Chauncy Washington. Was this Mock draft publised on April 1st. You should never be allowed to post a mock draft again. EVER. 3 recievers in the top 11. Come on.

7:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We all assume Al feels a close bond with SOH, but does he really?

I read SOH's combine interview again and he said he hasn't talked to Al since he was a little boy (well, I'm sure he has since the combine though).

Al obviously has a lot of respect for Howie but I can't see these guys really talking much. I'm only aware of one time Howie was contacted by Al. During our 2002 Super Bowl run Al asked Howie to "suit up" for about 15 plays and Howie said "you're crazy".

It's probably one of those unspoken things where you get the guy because he's in the Raider family and he's worth the pick. But I still have a feeling that Al might just have someone else higher on his board and would actually pass on SOH in certain situations. It is a business afterall.

Anyway, I'm just freaking out a little bit with only 3 days left. I'm sure Anon will now rip me a new one over it and disappear for 2 weeks.

Psycho

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jerry McDonald, ripping the heart from Panty's chest:

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog
/2008/04/23/why-mcfadden-isnt-
the-pick/

Psycho

7:54 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Looks like JMac has been listening to Gary, H and me. Folks don't ever seem to want to give Davis credit for his experience. Active pro football experience which extends to about 55 years is nothing to sneeze at (unless you've lost it all in dementia haze). Clearly, at the age of 79, Al Davis is a man who takes care of himself and is mentally as sharp as he ever was.

However, there is one aspect of age which sometimes hinders Al. Perhaps H can back me up on this. With all of that experience, and far less time to deal with BS, one sometimes starts to dismiss those with less experience and become more stubborn.

We will likely never know just how much Davis listens to Lane Kiffin. But it would be foolish for Davis to dismiss Kiffin's acquired knowledge, because it is knowledge that Davis does not have (cannot have). Davis hired Kiffin and stated it was precisely for that reason that Kiffin came aboard.

All of that said - I think Kiffin wants McFadden, but Davis doesn't. While the mediots assure us that it's the other way around, as McDonald says, Davis is far more practical than you realize.

8:57 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

So much for trying to predict the draft. Now that the Chiefs traded Allen to the Vikings for their 17th pick and other picks (the dumbest move on Minnesota's part), I think we need to address some things there. I'm not sure if Brian Brohm goes #17 overall anymore. I definitely think the Chiefs use one of these picks (most likely #5, maybe both) to try and move up the draft board to steal Gholston or Chris Long at #2 with the Rams. If they pull this trade off with the Rams, they select Chris Long at #2. The Rams will select a WR at #17 (if the Chiefs trade both slots), and depends who's there at #5. I think if Vernon Gholston is there, they get him. If not, they go with Ryan Clady. The Raiders then try to trade with Cincinnati or Carolina. If they trade with Cincy, they get their #9, Chad Johnson, and possibly a 3rd rounder. At #9, they select Sam Baker, OT, USC; while Cincy picks Gholston. If they trade with Carolina, they get #13, 2nd and 3rd Round picks. Carolina will then select McFadden, and the Raiders still take Baker, just at #13. If McFadden is taken before the Jets, they will pick DeSean Jackson.
Any of these scenarios is a win-win for the Raiders, with the exception of Chris Long going to the Chiefs. That would be a punch in the gut to Raiders' fans everywhere, and I wouldn't be too happy about it.
Hey Anon, where's your handle, and your draft picks? I don't see you doing any better. I realized too late about Ellis being picked twice and addressed it too. I've based these picks mostly on the primary need of the team; which most teams address their biggest void in the first round. I also meant to change Chauncey Washington to Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois. At the time I wrote this Chauncey's stock was rising, but has dropped off the board since.
I'm shocked that Minnesota gave up so much for Jared Allen. They need a QB pretty bad, and Brian Brohm would have fit nicely there. Now they give the Chiefs the cards to power play, and I think they go hard for the #2 spot to steal Long.

8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The commish gets to hear the scoop on the PATSY CHEATING:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?
id=09000d5d807ece
2f&template=without
-video&confirm=true

Psycho (haha)

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Blanda, maybe you, Gary and H are right indeed about Al... and he is clever. Maybe he's sitting there right now saying, "I can't screw up a 4th slot pick... hmm... I've watched a lot of football and I see EXACTLY what Tuna sees: Chris Long is not as good as advertised. Not a whole lot of comp faced... didn't fare too well against the few elites he faced... a good DE but not a top of the first round pick. Better make my selection count. It's Dorsey or Run DMC. Can't have another gallery-sized high pick mistake."
Tuna is switching Miami to a 3-4 and he doesn't want SOH? WhAt does that say about Tuna's opinion of SOH? Probably sees SOH as an average NFL lineman.
Al tends to reach on middle and higher first round picks(Washington, Sebass), but he is conservative on high 1st round picks (Woodson, gallery) Conservative equals Dorsey or Run DMC. Or trade down.

10:50 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

KC Chefs...

Since the Chefs were basically inactive during the free agency period, and they've now traded Allen to the Vikes for 3 draft picks and the ability to move up in the sixth round, it is apparent that the Chefs are in deep rebuild mode with the intent to accomplish it all through the draft.

While it is largely preferable to rebuild with youth, committing only to the draft is to commit to a long term, theoretical process. It raises two questions. Will the draft picks reach their potential? How long will that take?

I think it is likely safe to say that as long as the Raiders are diligent and take nothing for granted, the Chefs will take over the #4 spot in the division for the next couple of years at least.

This year we should settle for nothing short of the #2 spot in the division while pulling out all of the stops to win it altogether.

12:15 PM  
Blogger Old Skool Raider Fan said...

The Lambs will take Chris Long. I would love to have him, but I'm looking forward to McFadden!

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama,
I doubt the Tuna doesn't like SOH. For whatever reason Jake just grew on them, and starting with a LT makes a lot of sense for MIA.

I must disagree with any thought of SOH being "average". The guy should have a great career.

Psycho

1:18 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Some of what I've heard is that Tuna wanted SOH if he didn't get Jake. That's why they didn't negotiate with Gholston. If negotiations broke down with Jake, they were going to wait for the draft and pick SOH.

One of the things that shouldn't be forgotten is that Tuna and Al are very close - each sharing a great deal of respect for the other. I have to believe that on matters that don't bring about a conflict of interest, they consult with each other. They do disagree on many things, but they respect the other's opinion.

On another issue, Timmy Kawakami says Al will pick McFadden. He says that it would be impossible for Al to make any other selections, so the #4 pick has essentially already been made. It would be like a aligator attempting to become a vegitarian. Timmy says that it's a dumb pick, but Al gots to have people who look good getting on the bus.

Maybe that's the problem Timmy has with Al. Timmy doesn't look good getting on anything.

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if Al called Tuna yet to thank him for not picking SOH.

Psycho

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
I don't know guys... Tuna is putting in a 3-4 and to hear y'all talk, SOH is the most dominating DE to come out in awhile... and he was in a 3-4 system. Perfect timing for Tuna, right? Yet, Tuna takes Jake Long.
Maybe it's that all the C Long video on Rivals.com is Long tearing up connecticut, wyoming and maryland. Did he not make a play in the Pitt game against Otah? Or maybe it's just the #91 jersey reminding me too much of Brayton.
I think St Louis takes SOH anyway and then Atlanta takes Dorsey or Ryan. Leaving us to choose between Run DMC, possibly Dorsey, or Vernon "no show in two championship games" Gholston.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pacman is a Cowboy for a 4th.

Psycho

4:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bama - I wouldn't read too much into Tuna not selecting SOH. Maybe he sees Jake Long as a franchise LT, which trumps most other options on any team with the kind of holes they have... for the same reason we took Gallery with the #2 pick. And while Gallery is a bust at LT, Cleveland's Joe Thomas is a prime example of what is right about selecting a top O-line prospect high in the draft.

PFT reported that SOH was plan B for the fins. And I agree he probably won't be there at #4. Honestly, the anticipation is killing me. I'm sure once it's all over it will seem somewhat anticlimactic.

Then, we will have to wait to see if the expectation of greatness has been over-hyped, ala Michael Huff, Robert Gallery and about 50 Raider draft picks before them.

Ouch! What a downer. Sorry! I need to regroup.

4:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"Pacman is a Cowboy for a 4th."

Yeah, and we managed to squeak out a 5th rd pick for Moss. Where were the Cowboys last year when we needed them?

4:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I smell some "Mint" in the air....Must be a fresh breeze blowing in from the "Automn Wind"...

The Raiders will have a "SupperCalifragilistic McPhenomenal" for lunch on Saturday...Complete with his "Chicken Legs"....

4:30 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Report: Packers pursuing Culpepper as possible backup

The "Lamb"s are not allowed to start negotiating with a potential pick prior the the draft despite the fact that the "Fin"s have already signed "OT" Long....That sucks...It would give us some indication who they will pick...There's a lot of talk about trading down with "NO" to #10 and "NO" takes "DT" Dorsey....

Wait-n-See Time....

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Agree NY Raider, but still the hallmark of Parcell's teams have always been the defense. If he thought SOH or Gholston were truly unstoppable, disruptive forces to build a defense around he would have taken one of them. He appears to have simply negotiated behind the scenes for whichever he could get cheapest... because he didn't think any really stood out as worthy of a #1, and a RB (RUN DMC) at #1 would have cost an arm and a leg.
Hey Calico, what are the odds on Al moving down, picking up a #2 and taking Calais Campbell in rd1?

6:26 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

BR said, "All of that said - I think Kiffin wants McFadden, but Davis doesn't. While the mediots assure us that it's the other way around, as McDonald says, Davis is far more practical than you realize."

Davis will take input from anyone on his staff (including Kiffin) willing to give their 2 cents. Davis will ultimately make the final decision on the selection.

Kiffin has made it crystal clear that although Mcfadden is an extraordinary talent that the DL is the most urgent need. If Davis chooses McFadden, Kiffin will incorporate McFadden into a multifaceted, diverse, explosive offense.

Although I prefer SOH, Dorsey or Gholston, I can see the value McFadden would bring to opening up our offense and taking some of the burden off of Russell.

Bama,
There are MANY potential trading partners for our #4 pick although if I was a betting man, I would definitely bet against it happening.

The teams targeting SOH, Dorsey, Gholston, Ryan are possible trading partners depending on how the 1st 3 picks go. I personally believe that the Jets and Saints would be the most likely trading partners. We shall see ...

7:10 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article
.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/23/SPSA109T6Q.DTL


so what? i wasn't on board with the russell pick last year but i guess i am now that he's on the team. does this wench understand that the QB position is worth more than a lineman?

7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only 2 rounds on Saturday and less time to pick. Damn, I kinda' liked watching Quinn sit and cry. Naw, this will be better.

Psycho

7:13 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Bama... you keep banging on the competition in college... let me ask you this. Who did Bob Sanders excel against in college that now makes him one of the best defensive players in the NFL?

I'm pretty sure you would discount anyone in the Big Ten, so where are you going to go?

College means DICK in predicting NFL players, IMO.

If it was as straight forward as you make it, drafting would be an exact science.

Some players excel in college but not the pro's, some vise versus. It's been that way since they laced pigskin together into an oblong shape.

7:25 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

I also continue to argue it also depends on the team and system who picks the players...

Such as Dallas continues to send multiple players to the "PB"....Why...Is it just because "JJ" is so damn smart....If so we better get our hands on "McFab" at all cost because he is very high on him....Or is it the "System" and "Coaches" who are able to develop and utilize players in a more productive manner...I believe the latter to be the case....

A player must have physical ability and talent to begin with but also needs Coaches who understand their respective abilities and able to plug them into the proper situation with a supporting cast...

So look at the opposite side of the coin...Why have the Detroit "PussyCats" failed on so many "TOP-Rated" 1st rd picks and why have the Raiders done about the same in recent years....NO Stability in the coaching staff would be one immediate observation....Just look at "RB" Fargas....Several Sub-Par seasons in the league until he finally fits into the right scheme..."ZBS"...And now look at him....Is the mast improvement because it took him that long to learn the Pro-Game....For a "RB" NOT Likely....

How many times have we seen a player fail with one franchise but excel with another...."NO-Moss"....

Evaluate based on what is known from college career and work-outs...Than re-evaluate according to your system to see if he fits what your trying to do...Than evaluate his coachability and willingness to conform....Than if and only if the player fits all categories should he be considered "DRAFTABLE"....If NOT....Move on to a different player who has a better fit for your system....

Seams like a "No-Brainer" but I suspect very few follow it...Most just see what a kid did in college or his work-out and expect it to be automatic when they draft him...

So to my point..."McFab" working within the "ZBS" should be very dangerous and he would have a very good supporting cast around him with JaMarcus..Bush..Walker..Curry..Miller...

PantyRaider....Draft-Foolishness!!!

12:28 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

it's funny houw the guys coming from the smaller colleges seem to do better in the nfl. take for example our own thomas howard (utep), derrick burgess (mississippi), ronald curry (north carolina, as a qb), kirk morrison (san diego st), stanford routt (houston), and john wade (marshall).
it's not about the school, it's about how these players handle their assignments. are they coachable, how do they adjust to changes, do they flow to the right angles to make a play, do they make good reads, how are their adjustments and reactions, are they the leaders on the team when it gets tough, or do they quit, etc.
their is more to a player than what school they went to, who was their opponents, how did their team fair in the big game. the true evaluation answers lie in the film.

6:38 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

i'm starting a "just say no to mcfadden" campaign. if we pick him, then i will be on board with it; but i don't think we do.
the more i see the hope of chris long dwindle, the more i'm in favor of trading this pick with cincy or carolina. if we trade with carolina, we drop to #13, but could also pick up a 2nd and 3rd rounder.
with cincy, bring on chad johnson.

6:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Gary, you only have a few things to go by with these guys... combine stuff, running around cones & the track, lifting weights or actually how they played and who they played in college. No it's not an exact science, but you have to lean on something. And I don't think the big ten sucks, it's just down right now. Doesn't mean you can't find a good player from the big ten. I just ragged Gholston because his "pros" are that he can totally disrupt an offense singlehandly... well I'm sorry, he was MIA in two championship games and I'm not sure many of those FL or LSU O-lineman are future pro bowlers. So maybe he'll be good, but his performance in those two games means a lot to me when speaking of a top 4 pick. And spekaing of OSU, if Gholston was such a terror then where was Richardson in that Florida game. I maan that OSU defense looked absolutely awful to me. couldn't stop anything, couldn't run with anyone on the field, couldn't cover, couldn't rush the passer. Nothing. Just a big old lopsided shitty football game and they were spotted a KO return TD to start the game!
How they do in college DOES mean dick as to how they'll play, Gary. Travian Smith... great work out athlete with potential, but the knock on him was it didn't translate on the field in college. We'll I think we'll all agree on that now. Eddie Anderson... could bench press the freaking weight room and some of y'all love him, but he sucked. Was never in position to do anything. The great Teyo Johnson another example. Ot how about hurdle and relay champ John Bowie?Al has had so many of that type over the years, valuing their track and weight room skill over actual college production. It's a mistake. everything I've read says Fabian was round 2, maybe round 3 prospect, but once he ran that quick 40 time for the scouts, Al took him in Rd 1. Our past is littered of late with this crap. So right now I lean on how they actually played in college and who they played. It's not a sure thing, but beats the hell out of banking on a workout warrior or Jerry Porter 'potential' type. when I see Quentin Groves throwing Tebow around and banging heads with Knowshon Moreno, I have a better feeling about him. That's all I'm saying.

8:13 AM  
Blogger H said...

I'm back for a short visit.

Scorpio,

One of the things that article doesn't take into account is that on a anualized basis Jake Long's contract is worth 11.3 million per year while Russell's contract is about 10.2. And, when you compare 30 million vs. 32 million in guarantees, big fat hairy deal. He's still an unproven left tackle and Russell is still an unproven quarterback.

Blanda,

My recollection is when the Raiders draft early in the first round it's normally for the best player. But it's the best player at a need position. Later in the first round he will do the best available athlete thing regardless of the position or the ubiquitous reach he is identified with.

Fabian Washington falls into the former category while the infamous Jano falls into the later.

For those looking at McFadden's touchdown production, he produced 41 rushing TD's in 38 games. Bush had 39 TD's in 36 games. A ratio difference of .004 in Bush's favor.

In Bush's best year he scored 23 rushing TD's. McFadden 16. Even when you throw in McFadden's 1 receiving TD and 4 Passing TD's he still falls short of the 23. Bush is also very capable of the halfback pass. He threw for over 400 yards in the state championship game in high school as a quarterback.

In his last game Bush had 3 TD's and over 120 yards, in the first half. I think he broke his leg on the opening offensive series in the second half.

Yes, the SEC has tougher defenses than the Big East. But, since everyone is touting statistics with McFadden I just did a little research on Bush to provide some food for thought. Bush's stats are nothing to sneeze at.

H

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama,
You & me both buddy. I'm sick of workout warriors. I wouldn't draft Gholston in the top 15. We'd be better off with K.Rivers IMO, a proven "football player".

Psycho

9:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Adding to H...

Bush was expected to compete for the Heisman and for the draft's #1 pick. He was never injury prone, but got unlucky and broke his leg pretty severely. Obviously. It took over a year to heal.

However with quality treatment and rehab from qualified therapists and trainers, the victim can sometimes come back from such injuries stronger than before.

Yes, Bush has been in the tank for nearly two years. But he did get some quality practice time with the Raiders last season, and reports are that he has everything he had before. Some imply that the reason the Raiders didn't put him on the roster last season was because the season was pretty much gone anyway. They decided to give him the rest of the season to solidify the rehab process, and to shock the league with their 4th round acquisition in 2008.

9:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Yeah, Psycho. That Rivers guy...

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Rivers sounds & looks really good to me. He is absolutely kicking ass on this youtube vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXYE-hXNN-c

I still think something missing on McFadden in his favor is that Arkansas had no passing game, no qb. He did what he did with no passing help. I have no problem with bush, but he also had the benefit of Petrino's air attack im college.

9:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bama7
Matter of fact, Rivers just made my list. I'd be quite happy with him.

9:33 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

H...

I also like Bush and I'm very glad we have him...He does not need to leave if we also have "McFab"...The 2 will work together...

As for stats Bush was the lone back and got most of the carries..."McFab" split time with another top rated "RB" who also scored several "TD"s...Also Ark's "QB" was a running "QB" and scored "TD"s himself....So if all those carries were "McFab"s his stats would be off the wall...

That's one of the big pluses with this guy...Very Un-Selfish and willing to work together...A true "Team" Player....

RaiderNate75...

Scratch me off your "NO-McFab" Drafting List....I'm a "Pimp" to the end..."McFabulous" for President....Couldn't do worse that what we have now...

PantyRaider....2 More-Days!!!

10:38 AM  
Blogger H said...

Wow, we're coming together. Trade with the Bi-Planes. Package Washington with it, get their first and second. Move down only two positions and take Rivers.

The only caveat, Chris Long still available.

I gotta admit it would be quite a rush to see a 75 jerset with the name Long on the back. I'm sure Henderson could be talked into giving up the number under the circumstances. Even though it was his college number.

But,then again, I'm just a sentimental old fool.

H

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
H, can Washington really get us a 2nd rd draft pick?

10:42 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, SOH says he doesn't want his dad's jersey, he wants his own. Respectable.

Bama7, Washington can get us a 2nd round if it's couple with letting the blimps up far enough to grab McFab. The NY Blimps would take that in a NY minute.

For us, we move down a couple, snatch Rivers, and in the 2nd grab a speedy WR with moves and who can catch. Jordy maybe.

In the later rounds look for humongous fat guys who can't be moved to plug the DL when we need them.

10:57 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>
H: My recollection is when the Raiders draft early in the first round it's normally for the best player. But it's the best player at a need position. Later in the first round he will do the best available athlete thing regardless of the position or the ubiquitous reach he is identified with.
>>>>>

Thats exactly what I have been saying, and pretty much what Jmac said here:

http://tinyurl.com/6kbo3g

Al never just picks the "best play available" outside of needs with his pick.

He will until the cows come home AFTER the first pick...

10:59 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I think there's good evidence that the Raiders are planning exactly what I've outlined to Bama above. Although I don't think they'll be looking at Jordy Nelson in the 2nd round (they may hope he's still there in the 4th). In the 2nd round they'll be looking at Manningham who has already visited the house.

Jordy is projected as a possession receiver, and the Raiders believe they already have a good one in Curry. Manningham is a field stretcher.

11:05 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

Bama... I agree with you that Al relies too much on speed with his DB's but I disagree that "workout warriors" never turn out in the pro's... especially on the line. I'd assume many people considered Shawn Merriman just a "WW"... or maybe Jared Allen as a fourth rounder?

Being a great athlete doesn't make you a sure thing as a DLman, but I think it sure doesn't hurt... prolly because so many of them are just fat fucks.

11:20 AM  
Blogger H said...

Strong possibility. Remember we are packaging him with our #4. The Bi-Planes are said to really want McFadden. In order to insure that, they may be willing to give a #2 for Washington and our #1.

Also, Washington was starting to play fairly well in '06, but went backwards in '07.

It would be a slam dunk if they were 7 and the Patsies were 6. The way it stands now they still get to pick in front of the Patsies so they may be willing to roll the dice.

Bama,

I know SOH wants his own number, I was just being sentimental. We won the Super Bowl in Howie's rookie year.

Gary,

One difference though. In later rounds he would go with developmental projects, e. g. linemen for the future. However, that was when we had 10 plus rounds.

By the way. How long do you have to be called something before you drop the word "New" from your title. New England is like 300 years old. Same for New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, et al.

We even have a local radio station calling themselves the New 97.1. But, I think they are going on 3 years in business.

Just food for thought.

H

11:33 AM  
Blogger H said...

I meant Blanda, not Bama in the last post. You know, at my advanced age those "B" names confuse me.

H

11:34 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Speculation....

I think the Raiders keep Fabian one more season to see if he develops but trade Jordan...Schweigart..Walters..Rhodes..

They may also trade next years #1 sense it will have very high value because teams will expect it to be another top 5 pick...We could see a package to get 2 picks in the 1st...Our #4 and another....#11 0r lower....I suspect at least one "DL" player will slip that far but we don't want the "Donko"s to get him at #12....

"MrD" likes to trade up NOT trade down...It's far more likely he will find a way to trade up into the 1st than to trade down in the 1st...

I'm Hoping "SOH" slips past the "Squaws" and we trade up to get him..."KC" is looking at Gloston according to reports who has moved up NOT because of his production on the field but because of his workouts and his Up-Side over "SOH"....Foolishness....

PantyRaider...2-1st..."McFab"-n-"SOH"...

12:06 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Quoat from the "Lamb"s...

"The Rams have (Mark) Bulger so they don't need a quarterback," he said. "In all likelihood, they'll take Long or Dorsey. And you never know, they may go for Gholston."

Brandt said this year's draft does not have the marquee names of previous years, like Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson in 2007. But he feels top-to-bottom it is a good crop.

So I think they trade down with "NO" at #10 and "NO" takes "DT" Dorsey who they are so high on...Than the "Bird"s trade down with Baltimore at #8 and the Ravens get their "QB" who they are so high on...

The Raiders will have both "McFab"-n-"SOH" on the board...

Interesting Situation...

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rams are taking SOH...

No sh*t, check it out.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story
?id=09000d5d807c760b&template
=with-video&confirm=true

This guy at work broke the news to me and I refused to believe it at first. After a quick search I found this.

Stupid Rams and their stupid draft picking...

Psycho

12:26 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

If true, the question the becomes, "what will the Flying Bird Eaters do?" I think they trade with NO and NO takes Gholston.

I think we'd pass on Dorsey, and if we stick with the #4 overall we'll take McFab. At least I think we'll threaten the NY Blimps that we're going to take McFab unless they trade with us. Then, at #6, we'll take Rivers. I think NY want McFab so much they'd give us Times Square if we asked for it.

12:38 PM  
Blogger H said...

Psycho,

Could be smokescreen. I wouldn't be surprised if they took SOH, but I wouldn't want him to wind up with a stinking dome team. Sissy football.

The Aints would love to have Dorsey. Local boy makes good angle. They will look at trading. Might not pull the trigger but they will be serious shoppers.

H

12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I follow my link it looks different than what I saw. Before it looked more concrete and less like speculation.

G.Brandt said SOH was visiting with the Rams soon to "finalize" it somewhat. I assume they're not talking about money.

If true, I think we take Dorsey or trade down to 6 thru 11 (before Doncos' pick).

Psycho

12:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

OK...Here it is...

We trade Fabian and a draft pick to "NE" for their #7 spot where we can draft for "DL".."OT"..."WR"...After we take "McFab" at #4...The #7 spot gets Fabians $$$$'s....


Gholston, CB or trade
The Patriots have been rumored to be very interested in trading out of the seventh spot. Some reports have them considering moving up so they can take a player like Gholston, while others have them trying to move down so they can acquire more picks and still get a cornerback. Gholston would fill a need and give the Patritos an infusion of youth and explosiveness that is missing in an aging linebacker corps. With the loss of Asante Samuel and Randall Gay in free agency, the team could use a defensive back, but the seventh spot is probably too high to take one in this draft, leading to the trade speculation.

3:10 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Correction to my last post...

"NE" gets Fabian and our 1st rd pick in "09"...

Raiders get their #7 pick and our 3rd rd pick that we traded to them last year....

At #4 we take "RB" "McFab"...

At #7 we take "DL"-"OLB"-"OT"....Whichever position slides down to us...

3rd Rd we select the "WR"...Muhammad...

We continue to try to trade Jordan-Schweigert-Rhodes-Walters for extra picks...Hopefully we get into the 2nd rd for the "WR"....

Possibly we trade the 3rd plus a player to Dalls for their #28 pick in the 1st....

All things possible but I don't expect to trade down..Trade up is a much more realistic possibility with "MrD" running the show....He has been very aggressive so far this year so there is absolutely NO reason to believe he will become "Ultra" Conservative now when he can really steel the show...

PantyRaider....Maneuvering-Ability!!!

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Panty,

Make that a 2009 2nd rounder plus Fabe and you got yourself a deal.

#4 - DT Glenn Dorsey
#7 - OT Ryan Clady
Round 3 - WR Jordy Nelson
Round 4 - OT Jeremy Zuttah (To play Center)

Psycho - Beef up front = championships

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note: I would use the #7 overall on K.Rivers but I already got top notch D and you gots to protect that $$Billion$$ QB.

Psycho

5:02 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Panty, I expect Davis to trade players for extra picks, but he won't trade up. There's no need. Even if he really wants McFab.

I still believe he'll dangle McFab like bait. The thing about this draft is that there are very few "superstars" here. However there are a lot of what look like pretty good football players. We can do well here in the middle rounds for picking up depth.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
An article for Panty's cause...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjkiWPsPW13DpaRc54zP358yNbgF?slug=ys-questionoftheday042408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KIFFIN SPEAKS!!!

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog
/2008/04/24/kiffin-talking-trade/

And to Blanda's point, dangling McF seems to be exactly what we're doing. Unless, as Jerry said, they're targeting him all along.

Psycho

7:41 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Those were 2 very good articles...

1st..."McFab" is too real to let a talent like that pass you by...

2nd....Kiffin sounded a little excited when talking about "SOH" but that was turned up a huge notch when talking about "McFabulous"...You can hear it in what he says about the kid...He is very impressed...

3rd...There was very little excitement when it came to any other player....He spoke down about Dorsey and Glostom...Only saying what they could do but not pumping them up at all...And NO Top-Rated "OT" is of any interest to him for the "ZBS"...

The following 2 SubTitles told us a lot...Where we have been crying about our in-ability to stop the run and get the the "QB"....We don't have anything to worry about...It's all taken care of with these 2 freshly motivated guys in the middle...

A commitment to Tommy Kelly as the three-technique.
The 2007 slump of nose tackle Terdell Sands.

We don't need to spend a lot more money on those positions when we already have them filled...Back-Ups are needed and we may yet sign another "DL" Player...

I think Kiffin is telling us how good the team looks on the "D" and how few players we still need to make his "O" very productive...

More tan ever I see us taking "McFab" at #4...

PantyRaider...Raider-Celebration-ForthComing!!!

10:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Denver Broncos 4/24 Dewayne Robertson (DT) traded (for conditional 2009 draft pick).
From the Jets...he was their 1st rd pick...

Dallas Cowboys 4/24 Pacman Jones (CB) traded (for a 4th round pick in 2008 draft).

So that slows down the prospect of us trading Fabian...Dallas now is off the market for a "CB"...

The "Patsy-Cheatsters" are still in the market but may not be willing to give up much if all Dallas paid is a 4th rd pick...

10:46 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders' Washington won't be prosecuted

In domestic battery case, cornerback must enter a program
Raiders cornerback Fabian Washington learned Tuesday that he will avoid prosecution for his February arrest on a domestic battery charge as long as he completes a program for first-time offenders.

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