Saturday, March 09, 2019

Antonio Brown!

Shades of Randy Moss with Antonio Brown donning the Silver and Black. That’s the last time we made a blockbuster move at WR. Let’s hope we get more effort and outcome this time. $30 GUARANTEED. Oh boy, is it too much too soon, or can we protect the QB and feed AB the ball and contend soon?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is amazing news. They gave up little and got back the best WR in football and that they have had since Tim Brown.

Carr needs weapons, the WR corp last year was a joke. 18mm a year is reasonable for the best WR in the NFL. This was low risk high reward.

Before some of you start whining about his attitude---I say find me a WR who is not a little crazy. I also commend AB for what he did, Steelers were not appreciating him and he was way underpaid. No player should have to pay in the NFL without guaranteed money and. Its not indentured servitude.

I am sure some of the people on this site may find reason to hate but this is a fantastic move for the Raiders. Credit to Gru and May


6:08 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Not sure I understand what you're saying, Sandy. So a player should be able to unilaterally break his contract if he decides he's unappreciated or underpaid?

This has been a huge problem in the NFL for a long time. Both sides are guilty but it seems that teams are more on the hook for specific performance. Brown had three years remaining on a contract he signed. This probably means his three-year deal with the Raiders is only worth about two years before it implodes. Are you okay with that?

My personal opinion is that it's way too early in the rebuild to sign a superstar player like Brown. And his salary isn't much different than Mack, who we were told the Raiders couldn't afford. (Sure, Brown will make less than da Bears paid Mack.)

The obvious questions for me are:

Does signing Brown mean that Gruden will open up the offense? Actually pass the ball down field?

Can the Raiders make a legit run at the Super Bowl within the two- to three-year window of Brown's contract?

In order for these things to be true, Gruden and the Raiders will have to step out of character and do a 180 on what we saw last year.

Welcome to the Silver and Black, Mr. Brown!

P.S. in a social media posts, Brown, or his entourage, was heard referring to the Raiders as "Black and Gray" Proof that it's only about the money.

Go black and Gray!

7:06 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Before the pile-on starts, I will say that the Raiders compensation for Brown was more than equitable, and probably favors the Raiders. Kudos for that! They traded Cooper for a #1 and replaced him with Brown for a #3 and #5. That's solid!

But remember it was less than a year ago that the Raiders gave the Steelers a #3 for Bryant. Maybe this is a little payback.

Just keeping it in perspective.

Meanwhile, Raiders still have their #1's and #2. That's 4 picks that need to be used for potential long-term starters!

7:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes a player should be able to renegotiate his contract just like any other industry in the world. Yes NFL players should get guaranteed money just like the other major pro sports. Brown was significantly underpaid and he has every right to seek to be paid what he is worth.

Is he playing for the money of course he is and damn well he should, the man wont remember his own name when he is 50 how dare anyone deny him the right to make money now. It does not mean he wont work his ass off and be a great pro, in fact if he is happy with his compensation he will probably play that much harder.

Unfortunately in the racist, indenture servitude of the NFL billionaire owners with their terrible attitudes he had to pull a power play. Good for him, happy to see the Steelers get played. I did not hear you whining when Mack did it to the Raiders and refused to play on his 5th year option.

These guys destroy their bodies and brains and should maximize their earnings while they can. NFL makes billions so screw the owners.

Mack's cap hit is at least 5 mm more per year and the total dollars of his contract is almost 3x as much as Brown's

It was a master stroke by Gru and May. Your logic of they are not going to win the super-bowl in the next 3 years is ass backwards as well. So what does that mean don't try to win more games now? They have the cap room do it, they strengthened the weakest position of the team and they did not do it and the expense of the future. The contract has a two year out and they gave up very little draft capital.


7:53 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I didn't think the Raiders would pull it off, and they have. I'm not happy with the fact they are paying him what they should have given Mack, but then again, I'm not a decision maker. We just picked up one of the most elite WRs in the League, and one of the hardest working players in the League. I'm excited about this.

Now to get the Offensive Line right, because Carr won't get him the ball if he doesn't get adequate protection. ZBS destroyed our line last season, we need to break away from it, and get a combo of ZBS/Power. The O-Line has to be put in a position to attack first in order to succeed in this League. The more aggressive wins, period.

This also changes the draft strategy tremendously. I no longer think our #4 will be DK Metcalf. We lose a 3rd and 5th rounder as well. I definitely think that the Raiders draft a WR, but now it is just a matter of where. I'm re-calibrating and re-calculating, but extremely excited at this point. JUST WIN, BABY!

11:15 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I don't feel as sorry for Brown as you do. Did you forget Brown's contract with the Steelers was front-loaded with bonus monies that the Steelers have already paid? His cap number around $21M is a reflection of that. So it's not like his scheduled lower salary for 2019 exists in a vacuum.

I never said anything about denying guarantees. Please don't put words in my mouth. Football is high risk, and players should always negotiate to the fullest extent possible.

Honestly, Sandy, you used to be very polite and reasonable on this blog. You've gone righteous and indignant. Now you're playing the racist card? Really?

It's a business. The Rooney's and the Davis's are the last owners I would label as racist.

As for two-year window to win a Super Bowl, I can't fathom how you think that's reasonable. Were you watching the same team I saw last year? Raiders don't just need better players, they need better coaching and better scheme. That may well happen over time, but two years? That's a reach and you know it.

WRT Mack, I said here many times that I blamed Mack for not showing up to camp and not trying harder to get a deal done. The fault lies in both parties but, ultimately, the Raiders made the decision. But by doing so, they also showed a weakness that others may try and exploit. Brown is proving that now with the Steelers.

I guess my take is that players and teams should not sign long-term deals because they are not worth the paper they're written on.

Raiders may get two solid years out of AB, but to what end?

In the long-run, the Raiders might have been better off with their 3rd and 5th round picks. We'll never know.

11:24 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, you're making my point with ZBS. If the Raiders can't figure out better scheme, I believe having Brown will only lower our draft value over the next couple years.

Also, I think this is worth considering: If Brown wasn't happy with the Steelers, what makes anyone think he'll be happy with the Raiders..., i.e., once the honeymoon is over? The Steelers are perennially better than the Raiders.

Raiders are 15 years in the tank. It's sad to think that kids growing up today only know the Raiders as losers.

11:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Your negativity is astounding. Already you are questioning the trade. Every comment you make is generally negative with maybe a little optimism sprinkled in. You really should root for another team.

This is an amazing trade for the Raiders. The guaranteed money between his and Macks contract is not comparable nor is the yearly cap number. I dont think the Raiders will win the Super Bowl in the next two years but they are a hell of a lot better with Brown than without. I think that is the goal of management to make the team better while not mortgaging the future?

Yes the NFL is institutionalized racism. Sorry to burst your bubble. Any league that does not offer guaranteed contracts is another form of servitude and a plantation mentality. I could not be happier for Brown to get money he 100% deserves based on his performance. It was good to see him stick it to the Rooneys and the way he worked the system. Good for him.


1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gregg Rosenthal

Amari Cooper, a 3rd and a 5th for Antonio Brown and a 1st is a hell of a trade

1:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

No. I was questioning the trade well before it happened, even before the rumor got hot. I'm just thankful it didn't involve a 1st or 2nd rd pick.

I'm not being negative for the sake of it. I think I'm being realistic, and have realistic concerns about a team that has for 15 years defied the odds and remained at the bottom of a league built for parity.

I will ask again; to what end did the Raiders trade for Brown? To simply make them better for a couple years?

I'd rather the Raiders focus more long-term. How nice would it be to have the success that the Patriots have enjoyed?

Brown will be 31 this year, and 34 when his contract expires. He's probably not in the long game, pun intended.

He should have had far greater value to a team which is one star player away from unseating the Patriots. But for some reason you think it was smarter for the Raiders to grab him as part of an expensive two-year rental. Sorry, I don't get that.

Brown is unquestionably better than Cooper. It will be fun watching him play but, again, to what end?

I hope I'm wrong!

1:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

If you needed more proof that the Raiders are sticking with ZBS, here it is:

"ESPN reports that the Raiders have agreed to trade guard Kelechi Osemele to the Jets."

Is Feliciono still available?!

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I always thought that if the Raiders got Brown it would be at a high price, but it wasn't. It was beyond reasonable, to borderline absurd! The Bills were ready to give their First Rounder for him, but AB was not willing to go to Buffalo and nixed the deal. The Steelers had nowhere else to turn, and the Raiders had the upper hand and took advantage of it.

Now it they should focus on the O-Line, D-Line, LB, CB, and RB in Free Agency and Draft. I am happy with this move because it didn't break us. Again, my only complaint is the money they paid for him after saying they couldn't afford to show the same to Mack. It just proves the rumors true from the start that for some reason, Gruden was not impressed with Mack. That is something I'm not sure I will ever get over, and something I am not sure Gruden will ever get past. But it happened, nothing we can do but move on.

If the Raiders don't fix their O-Line protection and pass schemes, Brown will end up the way that Moss did with us. Nobody wants that, especially Gruden. Again, I'm not making decisions, but if I were, Cable and Olsen would be shown the door for the second time. I just hope this is the beginning of filling our positional needs with quality players. JUST WIN, BABY!+

2:46 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders gave the Jets Osemele and a 6th rd pick for a 5th round pick.

That makes no sense, even if the Raiders planned to move Osemele... which they did.

2:47 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, I agree, if Raiders don't figure out their O-line, Brown may not last long. Brown's relationship with Steelers became so toxic they had to move him.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Jon Feliciano will start at Guard, taking the place of Osemele. I like this move, and I hate it too. We get back into the 5th round. I love Osemele, and if you follow him on Twitter, you will see he is yoked, and lost some weight while recovering. He looks to be in the best shape of his career. He's a monster! That is where I hate this trade. At the same time, he is not a ZBS guy. He needs the first step against the defender to get the upper hand. Cable and Co took that away, so he is no longer a fit in the system. I'm afraid Gabe Jackson is the same, but he surprised me and seem to hold his own last season. Feliciano is just as monster as Osemele, and better at ZBS. That is where I like this move, he should be a starter on this O-Line.

Chiefs released Justin Houston. More vets to be cut, traded, or signed somewhere soon. I think the next best move the Raiders can make is to sign Trey Flowers (DE, Patriots). We will see.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" makes no sense" .....Raiders swapped a 6th for a 5th.....the negative nelly is alive and well. Jackson is the LG, The Brown trade is such a good move that the video game 'Madden' would not allow the trade to happen , too one-sided. Brown over Coop and a 1st Rd pick, no brainer. This off season is going to be another one for the ages. A splash has occurred LMAO.

Five fingers to the face

3:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY, you are right I may be a curmudgeon, but my man when the Raiders trade 3 rd for the best WR in the game. If you aint anything but happy its plain wrongs.


P.S. WR was the weakest position on the team

P.P.S How about an awesome Sunday of reading articles about the Raiders that on its own worth a 5th round pick

P.P.P.S Moving on from Osemele for 10mm in cap space I can live with in exchange for a high end LB

4:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, Feliciano is an unrestricted free agent. I agree, Raiders should secure him immediately but, as of today, he can negotiate with any team. He's a legit starter and can backup at Center. If the Raiders don't sign him (at about half Osemele's salary) they may end up using a high draft pick on some hopeful. A bird in hand....

Sandy, it appears we disagree on many things. I disagree that WR is the weakest position. Plenty of holes to fill but none weaker than edge rusher. That seems glaringly obvious since Mack's departure. Conversely, when Cooper left, LaFell stepped right in and improved the WRs.

Raiders best receiver, Jared Cook, is an unrestricted free agent. Without Cook, the addition of Brown won't be nearly as effective.

...plenty of holes to fill.

5:29 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

WR is a weak offensive position for us. AB had 15 touchdowns last season, which was more than all the Raiders WRs combined last season (9). Still need to be effective on the O-Line, and still need to figure out the Tackle positions.

I didn't know Feliciano was a free agent. That makes me sad. He is actually not free to sign with anyone until Wednesday when the new league starts. He is certainly free to talk with the Raiders though. I hope they sign him.

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NY you are always looking to argue. You are right we did not need a WR LaFell and Nelson would be just fine.

They got the best WR in the league for a 3rd and 5th. Its great news. We did not mortgage the future in terms of draft picks or salary cap. Stop complaining, it was an awesome move.

Nate75, Denzel Good will be the RG and Gabe will move over the left. Unless Felciano is willing to get paid 5 or less I don't see him back.


9:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

High impact signing LT from Patriots, highest paid OT now.

9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Miller moves to RT

9:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, it's one of those things that I wish you could hear yourself speak. You don't want me to form my own opinion, you just want me to use yours. I disagreed with you about WR being the weakest position of need, and you write that I said we do not need a WR.

You have become very bitter.

I said multiple times that we have many positions of need, WR is one. So many needs, in fact, that I questioned the Raiders for paying a league-high WR salary to acquire Brown. I'm also concerned that he might flame out in a couple years, like he did in Pittsburgh. Those are valid points but, for some reason, it's easier for you to level personal attacks and make false statements about my opinions.

9:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I think Good was signed as a utility lineman. He wasn't signed as a starter, though, he will likely get a chance to compete now that Osemele is gone.

In effect, the Raiders opened another hole by letting Osemele go. But understandable given his $10M salary and move to ZBS.

Feliciano is ready to be a full-time starter. He's worth $5M a year, and he'll get it.

The Raiders obviously don't care about paying record salaries, so they would be smart to pay Feliciano market value to stay and take over of Osemele.

10:02 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO - and some will love this - moving K Miller to RT and Parker out of the lineup only proves that the Raiders botched last year's draft, at least at the top. They reached for both players (even traded up for Parker), when plenty of talented D players were available.

Hopefully the combination of Gruden and Mayock will be more effective in the draft than Gruden and McKenzie.

10:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are the bitter one who is constantly negative and always criticizing the team. I am positive and supportive of what Gruden is doing.

You are the only one on this blog who never has anything positive to say. Is it any wonder you fight with everyone and the commentators are mostly down to you and NAte.

I think Nate pointed out that Brown had more TDs than all Raider WRs combined. That seems like a balanced, factual opinion.

You throw out the name Brandon Lefell is he your new Navvaro Bowamn---lol?

Who cares if they made him the top wr, its a two year deal. it does not hamstring the raiders cap for years to come, where is the problem?

I am out of here, RT I enjoy your blog but NY is way too much of a downer for me.


10:13 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders are linked to sign Trent Brown (LT, Patriots) to a 4 year, $66 million, $36.75 million guaranteed becomes the highest paid O-Lineman. But this contract is covered with the Osemele trade, and possible Donald Penn cut. To center pieces a few years ago with the #1 overall offensive line. Bittersweet!

It is bittersweet to me because Dante Scarnecchia is the Pats' O-Line coach, who is impeccable. Tom Cable, not so much.

OAK O-Line Pass Pro Rank (adj sack %):
2014: #3 (4.4%)
2015: #4 (4.6%)
2016: #1 (3.4%)
2017: #7 (4.6%)
2018: #25 (8.7%)

Tom Cable should be out of the NFL if he cannot turn this around this season.

10:21 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Wow! But I'm the downer? You can't have an exchange of ideas without crying foul?

Wouldn't be so much easier to disagree and say why you disagree? Or ignore my posts if you can't handle my opinions... and that's all they are, opinion.

Again, putting words in my mouth. All I said was that LaFell came in and outplayed Cooper. Do you disagree with that, or is it just easier to make a strawman argument?

In terms of TDs for Raiders WRs vs AB, it had a lot to do with lack of protection and scheme. Carr was harassed all last year, which is why Miller is being moved and Parker is out.

Of course Brown is better than anyone else on the Raiders. He better be. He's now the highest paid WR in the league.

My central point is that if the Raiders are rebuilding, then they should rebuild. Paying record-setting salaries to vet players seems more like a retool than a rebuild.

I half thought they should give Miller another chance to be their LT of the future, and just replace Parker at RT. Now, Miller will be moved out of his natural position, and the Raiders will expect better results. Not sure that makes sense to me. That's what they tried to do with Penn.

Seems to me they may still need a RT. Miller might not be the answer.

10:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Brown is scheduled to make over $21M in 2020... against the salary cap. Essentially, Mack-money!

So the Raiders sign two free agents who will account for approximately $40M against the salary cap by 2020.

Is this how anyone pictured Year 1 of rebuilding would go?

Hard to believe Mack wasn't good enough to keep, after now knowing he was affordable!

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Actually, Miller played RT at UCLA more than he did LT. So you could say he is going back to his natural position. Which is why I thought it was strange that they moved Donald Penn to RT, instead of Miller.
Now the deal with Trent Brown will be finalized on Wednesday, and both parties can back out of the deal by then too. Raiders are still in the hunt for Le'Veon Bell as well. Spending cash like they have a hole in their pocket, while spinning stories last year about not having cash at all.

10:55 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Miller's history at RT makes more sense. That's good to hear.

IMO, Raiders seem a bit desperate making these big signings. I imagined something different, like:

-Miller's second year at LT (healthy and improved). After all, the Raiders did use a 1st rd pick on him.
-Warren III getting a shot to play a major role in the running game, with maybe Doug Martin also coming back. This could still happen.
-signing a vet RT to take over for Parker
-I'm Ok letting Osemele go, but hoping Feliciano steps up.
-draft focusing on D, including at least 3 of the top 4 picks... all starters!

I guess I pictured something more measured in approach.

Going after Bell next?

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Carr is staying as the QB, then this all makes sense. Carr is entering his prime, would it be fair to him to give him avg WR's and a so so OL at this time of his career? Carr needs a team around him and Gruden and Mayock are providing it. I like this approach, aggressive and adapting to situations at hand. The O-line will be better this year, WR will be better, that is good news, not bad.

Obviously, Raiders want to win now. Does the rebuild have to be a slow process? Would any of you accept that? The O is being set up to win now. The D has to catch up and they are working on it as we write. Rebuilds don't always go as planned, things change. Like Al Davis used to say, you need to adapt in the moment and don't hang on to ideas that can be changed.

Why would someone who complains about the years of losing want more losing in a long rebuild? Seems to me, that no matter what the Raiders do, this NY guy will always slam it. Some people love doom and gloom, they wallow in it.

Mack didn't want to be a Raider, let it go, or is it just a knife you like to wield?

5 more fingers

12:00 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones, 15 years of epic losing can make any fan a little skeptical.

Gruden rolled the dice last year with an aging veteran team. That was a huge bust. This year's approach is clearly an upgrade in free agency/trade but will it be enough, e.g., knowing all the holes that still need to be filled through the draft?

Raiders just laid down over $60M in guarantees to two players. So yeah, the Raiders probably need to be all-in now to make it work. These players/contracts probably have a short self life.

Wrt Carr being in his prime, we have to wait and see if he ever really recovers from his injury. Granted, he was not well-protected last year, but he was also playing scared. Or is that being too negative?

12:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You aren't the only Raider fan that has had to/still go through it.

Gruden didn't roll any dice, he saw that it wasn't what he wanted so it is being changed.

Yes, plenty of holes to fill, but being aggressive and making good moves to improve the roster is something to look at.

I know for your ego's sake, that you want Gruden to continue to look crazy so it will fit your on going narrative. It was his 1st yr, he had to make some big decisions and he did, won't happen over night, but like what I am seeing so far in the 'rebuild'. They are utilizing all options to get it done. Don't look now, the 'Gruden show' is getting good.


1:15 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sorry to disagree but Gruden absolutely did roll the dice last year with vet players. When it didn't work, players were released, including their MLB and the only true edge rusher they had. Other players were benched. It was bizarre.

Why do you think Mack didn't want to be a Raider? He was always a team player and had many close friends on the team. Why did he want out?

1:39 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

My take on Trent Brown is that the Raiders may have been better served going after Trey Flowers and giving Kolton Miller another season to iron out his skills at LT. He is big and athletic, and played through injury part of last year because the Raiders had no depth.

Plus, Miller was their #1 draft pick, which amounts to a one-and-done bust at LT.

Just a thought!

Can the Raiders compete without a decent edge rush?

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Obviously, Raiders want to win now. Does the rebuild have to be a slow process? Would any of you accept that?

I think that is what the majority of us were complaining about last year, myself included. Why did we need to go through a rebuild when we had a pretty solid core with Carr and Mack to build around? A lot of us fans were devastated by the Mack trad (still hard for me to swallow, but I get it). Gruden is being aggressive in this rebuild too, both of the Brown's we picked up are risky picks. Trent Brown was struggling as a player in his development before the Patriots, and is now the highest paid player at his position in the history of the NFL! AB quit on a good Steelers team because he wanted a new contract, and wasn't happy with Big Ben or Mike Tomlin. Raiders' O-line needs to improve, or Carr won't be able to get Brown the ball, then what? Will he quit on the Raiders, ala Randy Moss?

Good news of these moves: Trent Brown is 26, and has a lot of life ahead of him, barring serious injury. AB is excited to be with Carr, and in the best shape of his career! When you try to trade the 3rd and 5th Round pick for AB on Madden straight up like we did, Madden rejects the trade. Think about that. Gruden and Mayock building competition to win now! I will take the risk to win now any day, rather than a long rebuild.

Gruden has always put together a good offensive show. In this League, you have to stop the opponent too though, and hopefully this is where Mayock will bring balance. Raiders need to start hitting on Defense now too. There is more depth in the draft at this position, and with Trey Flowers signed by the Lions, there is not much on the DE position with the exception of Za'Darius Smith (Baltimore). MILB is pretty much non-existent, and we need OLBs and CBs as well, which are pretty thin in Free Agency.

I don't want Doug Martin back, he's lost a step, cannot see the holes, and played sloppy with the exception of one play last season. I'd rather see D'Wash or Warren III take his place. I don't want to spend the $$ on Le'Veon Bell either. I'm sorry. I think I'd pursue LeGarrette Blount to get the "Big Back" aspect for Jalen Richard/D'Wash/Chris Warren III. If we want a feature back, I would pursue Jay Ajayi.

Here is something I've been thinking about too, not Raider related. A lot of noise about Foles going to Jacksonville, which I think is a great move too. But, who do you think is more of a Franchise QB? Foles or Bridgewater? I think I would take Bridgewater over Foles, and I think Bridgewater would fit in Jacksonville better. If I am a team looking for a franchise QB that is not going to hit the pocket book hard, it is Teddy B. I think he'd do well in Miami (another potential landing spot for Foles), I think he's better than Dalton and DeShaun Watson too. Rumor has it that Tampa may be done with Jameis Winston, if so, I'm on the horn with Bridgewater. I don't know why, but he really intrigued me in Minnesota, and the Vikings treated him like Drew Brees was treated by San Diego after his injury. I'd give him a chance.

1:49 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders signing these two mega deals only proves that keeping Mack was easily affordable.

Sure Trent Brown is better than Kolton Miller, but to have such little faith in your #1 draft pick in his second year is astounding. It's much easier to argue we needed a #1 WR than it is a LT - after spending the draft capital on Miller. Worse, the Raiders are left without a competent replacement for Mack. Flowers was the best edge rusher available.

Meanwhile, let's hope Mayock helps avoid the Miller/Parker mistakes of last draft.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so happy, I was ready to give up a first for AB. Great trade. Its good to be a Raider fan.

I wrote in for my first time a few days ago hoping for this.

Somebody needs to give this guy new york a hug, maybe he is a Chief fan trolling a Raider blog lol


5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was called cleaning house. It was the start of a new start. Gruden came in and didn't like what he saw, so he blew it up and used older players to fill roster spots until they could be replaced. Why is your football iq still so low?

Miller played one season at LT on a team that was broken. Calling him a bust already? You really want him to be so it will fit your narrative.

There is still this thing called the draft....Raiders have 3 1st rd picks and will draft a replacement. AND, the guy wont cost 90+ mill.

It's an offensive league, Raiders are getting an O together that can compete. Who cares where someone was drafted, as long as they contribute and the team becomes better. Bitching about every move doesn't make you look smarter, it makes you look like a bitch.


6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said Spank

6:31 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Calling every move a great move until it fails isn't any better. Jones, you went through this routine with McKenzie, telling us about all the great things that were about to happen.

Gruden's approach last year seemed very haphazard. Maybe this year will be more direct with Mayock sort of at the wheel. It only took 9 minutes into legal tampering period to get Trent Brown to agree to a deal, so the Raiders obviously knew what they wanted.

Still lots to do.

3:48 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Would like to see the Raiders make a real push to re-sign Jared Cook. In a short pass offense, adding Brown and losing Cook might not net much, if any, improvement.

What about bringing Chris Long to the Raiders?

4:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man did you just say that getting AB and losing Cook is a wash? Foolishness

5:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, are you just trolling now?

It's great that instead of offering thoughtful reasoning you can just make your points with personal attacks. Congrats. You're all class!

Gruden calls short game which relies heavily on TE and RB. Cook and Richard were the Raiders leading receivers last year. with 68 receptions each. Having Brown will certainly change that dynamic, but if you take away a 6'-5" target like Cook (Raiders have no other established rec'ing TEs), it will almost certainly net something less than what Brown could bring to the team with Cook on the Roster.

And not re-signing Cook just opens another hole for the Raiders to fill.

But thanks again for your thoughtful insights!

7:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bears restructure Mack contract and saved $11M in cap space. Something else that would have been available to the Raiders had they signed Mack.

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders need a good TE, Cook has been decent for us; but I'm afraid he wants more money than the Raiders will offer. Losing Cook will open up a new need, but cook is not irreplaceable either. Tyler Eifert is the only TE other than Cook to spend money on, but if worst comes to worse, I bet Gruden could talk Rickey Dudley out of retirement. Another aspect of Gruden's game is RB/FB. With Richard, D'Wash, and maybe Warren III coming out of the backfield, you really have to question whether or not you only need a blocking TE though. Especially if you get a solid FB. Those two positions can easily come out of the backfield and act as a TE receiving the ball.

I am also still thinking Gruden and Co. will go after another receiver in the draft, whether it be DK Metcalf, Parris Campbell, Andy Isabella, AJ Brown, Riley Ridley, Marquise Brown. Imagine though, 2 big WRs like Brown and Metcalf on the same team? I just uncontrollably drooled. It is just a matter of where they pick these WR's.

Defensively, the Raiders have agreed to terms with Safety Lamarcus Joyner of the Rams. So I don't think the Raiders will be drafting a Safety. They have to chase Feliciano, a RB, and TE. Not much defensively in Free Agency anymore. Za'Darius Smith signed with the Packers, CJ Mosely signed with the Jets, and Terrell Suggs signed with Arizona; all for crazy money too!

There are a lot of mumbles about Josh Allen dropping to #4. I think if he is there, the Raiders have to take him. If not, they can select someone else there, and pick up Clelin Ferrell later in the round. We have to hit defense, and build it up. I'm working on my draft selections, now that Free Agency has started, and it is not easy. But Gruden knows he has to do a lot of work on the defensive side of the ball. He knows he made a mistake by letting Mack go. He has to redeem himself in this area.

8:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I call every move a "great move"? Nice lie, ny, but what else is new?

Reggie did his job as GM, bringing the franchise back from the dead is not an easy task. I did not realize the size of the task and that it would take this many steps to get a good HC in place, finally. Reggie set up the franchise to go where it's going now. Can't blame Reggie that Mark hired JDR and then forcing Reggie to draft players that JDR wanted. It had to take another step and hopefully Gruden is the answer. Like I wrote when Gruden was hired, if he doesn't get it done, then the Raiders are in for a long 'rebuild'.

Mack restructured already? LOL, did he sign the 'highest paid' thing just for his ego? He holds out and causes holy hell and then that is funny. Something is odd about that? ny wants to spin it as "see, Mack just wants to get along"....yeah right.

Ya full of it

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Sandy, so you are trolling now?" SAYS THE TROLL. The resident troll who talks to himself daily on here, is calling out another, as a troll. You should be kissing the asses of those who dare to write on this retarded site. But not you, no, you think the best way to garner attention is to act like a complete dweeb. You have proven over time that you are nothing but a blow hard dummy that doesn't really have a clue about football or the Raiders. My suggestion to you, brother darkness, is to STFU and listen a little more.

You human paraquat.

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate says Gruden knows it was a mistake to let Mack go.......well, if Mack had stayed, would the Raiders be signing all these good players now? AND a 1st rd pick to go along with 2's looking like a fast rebuild, the 'Gruden show' is gettin good , huh?


10:42 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Gruden has admitted that he could have worked a deal to keep Mack. Yes, if they had sign Mack to the original offer than McKenzie laid out for him (which was less than the Bears paid), they'd still have money to make some moves. But maybe not enough to overpay for Trent Brown. No they wouldn't have 3 first round picks, but we would have had a key player at DE.

Anthony Barr cancelled his contractual agreement with the Jets to re-sign with the Vikings. Rumors are swirling that this may be at the cost of having to cut Everson Griffin (DE). If so, this could be a potential signing for the Raiders and a good pick up at DE. I'm gonna be watching this.

Bashaud Breeland (CB), Pierre Desir (CB), and Shaquil Barrett (LB/Edge) would all be reasonable pick ups in Free Agency. Tevin Coleman and Mark Ingram would be interesting at the right price, but I think both are looking to be premiere backs. Latavius Murray just signed with the Saints, I'm happy for him, but thought he'd be a premiere back by now.

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I don't need to troll you I'll tell you you're a negative sour Nelly to out loud and sign my name to it.

I think slap makes a good point the Raiders committed 115 million dollars to Trent Brown and Antonio Brown and ended up with two first-round picks vs Chicago committed 140 million to Mac.

For a team that was not going to make the playoffs I say that's a pretty wise move let's see what those two first-rounders turn into.


12:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"well, if Mack had stayed, would the Raiders be signing all these good players now?"


Did you miss that the Bears just restructured Mack's deal to move $11M off the cap?

Raiders started with about 70M cap space, and added 10M trading Osemele. That's 80M

Based on the news Mack restructured his deal (in its first year!), his cap figure is about the same as his salary was last year in the final year of his rookie contract.

So the joke is on all of us, especially fools like you who said the Raiders couldn't afford Mack. What a joke!

More proof that letting Mack go was wrong!

Stick around, Jones. You still have much to learn.

12:09 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, I appreciate that take, but can still disagree. Raiders could have had their cake and eat it too.

They still need a potentially expensive FA edge rusher, or is this a position we can afford to ignore. I say, no.

I'm fully on board with winning now as opposed to later, but I reserve the right to render opinion, good or bad, on their moves. There are a million reasons to doubt the Raiders... if no other reason than the last 15 years.


12:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

With big signings in free agency hit, here are my thoughts on the draft, and all of the Raiders' picks:
I'd love to see Josh Allen here at #4, but I think he and Bosa are #1 and 2. So, this is a difficult pick here because there are so many options. Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson) is an option here. I see Ferrell all over the place though in mock drafts. I have seen him in the Top 5, the top 15, and even with the last pick in the first round. It is hard to place him because he didn't have a good combine, but everyone knows he is a beast. DK Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss) is another option, and so is Devin White (LB, LSU). I think they go with Devin White (LB, LSU) here and pick up a DE/EDGE and WR later.

Jaylon Ferguson (EDGE/Louisiana Tech) with our second pick in the first. This is a steal that nobody is talking about. Yes, he is from a smaller school, but so was Mack. He has the record for 45 sacks at LA Tech, and ended last year with 17.5 sacks and ranked in the top five with 26 tackles for loss, 64 stops, three pass breakups, and two forced fumbles in 13 games for the Bulldogs.

Parris Campbell(WR, OSU) with our third pick in the first. DK Metcalf stole the combine at this position, and I like Metcalf a lot. But after trading for AB, Metcalf came off the table for us. But we still need a possession WR. Parris Campbell is the guy. Again, another player not making a lot of noise in the press, but had the fastest time in the combine at WR, and impressed a lot of scouts.

Deandre Baker (CB, Georgia) in the second. A lot of people like Greedy Williams from LSU, and have the Raiders selecting him with one of their first rounders. He has great speed, but I think he needed another year in college for development. Deandre Baker, like Jaylon Ferguson, is not getting a lot of noise in the press, but impressed a lot of scouts at the combine.

No 3rd rounder

Ben Banogu (OLB/DE, TCU) in the 4th

Corey Ballentine (CB, Washburn) in the 5th. Big, athletic CB from a small school who is going to impress in the nickel, and on special teams with his speed.

No 6th rounder

Trey Pipkins (OT, Sioux Falls) in the 7th, potential starting RT, or Guard.

Qadree Ollison (RB, Pittsburgh) with the last pick. Big back that can pound the ball for short yards. Could be the Wheatley kind of back the Raiders need.

12:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, some mock drafts have Allen falling to the Raiders. No matter what, the Raiders will have major defensive talent to pick from at #4. And there's always a chance that some early to mid-round talent falls to them late in the first round.

My biggest fear is that they reach for a project player because of some freakish measurable. For some reason, the fascination in Oakland for size and speed irrespective of experience survived Al Davis.

12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stick around? why? so you can continue to lie and provoke? Never said Raiders could never afford Mack. I said Mack didn't want to be a Raider and Mark wasn't going to shell out that kind of guaranteed money to one D player. Nah, I might drop in once and a while just to slap you around again. You could NEVER teach me anything about football, ny. Your narcissistic behavior and your pathetic 'takes' are no reason to waste time on. Thanks, but no thanks.

you can go back to writing to yourself now....have fun

3:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"I said Mack didn't want to be a Raider..."

So aside from the money, Mack didn't want to play for the Raiders? Based on what?

5:05 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY said, "Nate, some mock drafts have Allen falling to the Raiders."

The only mocks that have Allen dropping that low are drafts that have Kyler Murray going to the Cardinals, and the 49ers or Jets taking Quinnen Williams and Bosa. I don't think that is going to happen. If the Cardinals don't take Allen, then the 49ers or Jets will. I think the first 3 picks are going to be Allen, Bosa, and Quinnen Williams. We need an above par LB, and Devin White is just that. We get Jaylon Ferguson with the second pick, and get the 3rd best pass rusher in the draft that may be a force in the League that outplays everyone.

I don't know about you, but these guys from smaller schools come in with a chip on their shoulder wanting it more than anyone else. Mack is this kind of player, Marcus Davenport was this way before getting injured last season. Ed Oliver Jr seems to be this way. I didn't know much about Ferguson until I saw some videos. He has a lot of similarities to how Mack was out of Buffalo, and he has turned a lot of heads at the scouting combine. If he has a pro day, I'm not sure if he does or not, we could possibly see his stock rise like Mack's did. The knock is, that since he's from a small school, he played against sub-par talent. It may be that he didn't get in a bigger school because he didn't have the required GPA.

Jones, Mack wanted to be a Raider, and his mind was changed when Gruden wouldn't even acknowledge him at his intro press conference; and then pulled back the offer on the table for half. I don't blame Mack, and it spoke volumes when he said, "I felt wanted by the Bears. They reached out to me, spoke to me through this whole process." Something Gruden didn't want to do. At some point, we both have to come to terms with: A) Gruden, for whatever reason, didn't want Mack. B) Mack is no longer on the Raiders. Both are pretty painful points to me.

10:14 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gruden has always had a chip on his shoulder. He is quick to put players in his doghouse, which he did in his last stint in Oakland and later in Tampa. In Tampa, he inherited Keyshawn Johnson and that relationship went sour. Of course Johnson is a diva, and Mack definitely is not.

12:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, Raiders signed Tyrell Williams from SD, which makes it less likely (maybe unwise) that they would use a high draft pick on a WR. Too many holes to fill. If nothing else changes, this draft should be an absolute run on defense. Still some decent FA edge rushers available.

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY, Tyrell deal is not done. Gruden said in the presser that he has no new information on that. Reports were last night that he was going to look at other options and chew on the Raiders' offer. That tells me he is not satisfied with the offer, or thinks he can get more. If the deal does get done, then maybe a RB gets picked up.

Not a lot of young Edge Rushers available. Justin Houston, Alex Okafor, and Shaquil Barrett are the only ones I'd consider in signing. You could get Houston and Barrett on the cheaper end, but I wouldn't consider Ansah.

I cannot believe the Chiefs cut Eric Berry. That is insane to me. He is one of the few Chiefs I respect. I hope he lands somewhere, good dude.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

As I typed the last reply, the deal for Tyrell became official.
What is troubling is no defensive players signed.

2:45 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

There are several decent FA edge rushers available. Funny, the Raiders were reported to have made a legit offer to Bell before the Jets signed him. If so, they can certainly afford a vet edge rusher.

Justin Houston... even Chris Long if he wants to put on a Raiders uniform.

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How bout that, Gruden and Mayock making short work of the rebuild. Offense is set (once Cook signs). DB's are set, D-line missing one or 2 spots and LB is weak but has some young blood that is improving.

Nothing troubling at all in Oakland right now, except for the move to Vegas coming. Gruden said players wanted to come to Raiders and they are. Draft is going to be real fun to watch, between Mayock and Gruden, they should rip it up.

From the signs of things, maybe it's time the whiners put their hankies away and realize that the Raiders will be relevant very soon and the Gruden show isn't the train wreck they thought it was. Time to change the narrative ....or are you going to beat the Mack horse some more?

Cold Blooded

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the draft this year there is no doubt that the Raiders will be a far superior team that the one Gruden inherited a year ago. I say that is pretty good 365 days.

WR- no comparison far superior
OL- already better and younger if Miller develops into a decent starter even more so
DB - Worley and Johnson additions makes this unit far superior as well
QB - the mere presence of Grudens coaching has lifted Carr already
post draft I am sure we can add the DL to this list.


6:47 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Initial moves were very aggressive. Trade for WR Brown, then the deal for LT Brown 10 minutes into the legal tampering period. Raiders were reported to have made a legit push for Le'Von Bell too, so they're not done.

Still plenty of holes to fill but the work (and pace) so far makes it clear the idea is to win now.

I like the idea of winning sooner rather than later. What Raider fan wouldn't?

But, to be sure, the honeymoon is over. Expectations have to be high.

4:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Jones, wrt to Mack, he will remain part of the conversation regardless of whether or not a few people posting here bring him up. Players like Mack are few and far between. Raiders were smart enough to draft him, then dumb enough to let him get away. The draft picks they received as compensation have not even been touched yet, so this conversation is long from being over.

I am more confident that Mayock will make good on those picks than I was with McKenzie.

Meanwhile, we're still waiting for you to provide any proof (even an obscure reference) that Mack wanted to leave the Raiders for any reason other than money.

Have a good day!

4:53 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I will eat crow here. I wasn't too happy with the Gruden hire. McKenzie and Del Rio built an aggressive/power play type offense, and was doing the same with defense power man-to-man. The problem, and error, was letting Musgrave go and letting Todd Downing be the OC. Downing took steps to make it a ZBS offense, and the Raiders flopped.

This is where Gruden was hired, and Gruden is a ZBS/West Coast offense type guy, and I didn't think it would work. He came in shooting to kill instead of working with what he had, and making a winner with the roster he had. Mark Davis gave him the authority to have his way or the highway; and I thought it would not turn out so good for us.

Let's be honest, the Raiders were a few games from Gruden's return being comparable to Art Shell's reboot; it was that bad. The Raiders defense broke records for the wrong reasons, the offense mostly went 3 and out, and Derek Carr looked uncomfortable and lost, let alone the rookie tackles. Yes, I wasn't happy that Gruden was hired, nor am I happy that he let Mack go so quickly.

Now I am surprised with the moves he has made. Tyrell Williams and Antonio Brown are legit weapons, and far above Crabtree/Cooper. If they resign Cook, Feliciano, and draft/sign a RB, the offense is set. I think they should sign Jay Ajayi. I would have taken Tevin Coleman, but he just signed with the 49ers.

But at some point they have to look at the defense. They have to look at several EDGE rushers, Linebackers, and a few CB's. In a previous post I said no defensive players were signed, but Lamarcus Joyner (Safety) was signed. Gruden and Mayock have turned things around pretty quickly on this front. It is clear they want to win soon, but now they have to go out and execute. I'm not sold on some of his coaches (Tom Cable and Greg Olsen specifically), and not sure how they will pan out there. Bottom line, Gruden has done well this offseason and things seem to be on the upswing.

Would you guys sign someone like Clay Matthews? I know he is older, but he still has a good motor and gets after it. I think he'd be worth the risk if he were to play DE exclusively, but not sure about a 4-3 OLB. I would still take a chance on Shaquil Barrett (EDGE, Doncos). There really is not much on the DE/EDGE side. I am not sure Chris Long wants to play anymore, he may be focusing more on his non-profit. But if he does, and wants to come to Oakland, I would welcome it in a heart beat.

8:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, IMO the Raiders should be careful signing aged vets to fill major gaps in their defense. They tried that last year and failed miserably.

Chris Long has been talking retirement for a couple years, but would he want an opportunity to play for the Raiders. If he plays, he doesn't do it at half speed... he's all-in. He's a Long!

9:11 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders released Jordy Nelson

11:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Doubt anyone will be too disappointed after signing Brown and Williams but it's a headscratcher after the Raiders just paid Nelson a big signing bonus and leaves dead money. Sounds more like a case of mismanagement.

4:35 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

AJ McCarron has been cut as well.

8:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

McCarron, another Bills' reject. Raiders still have one more ex-Bills QB on their roster.

Time to find a legit backup!

11:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders reportedly have about $20M cap space left. The haven't adequately addressed Edge Rusher (IMO, the most dire need at the start of FA), and they still have their most valuable free agents on the market in Jared Cook and Dwayne Harris. Losing either of these guys creates another big hole in the roster.

Gruden wasn't around two years ago when Richard muffed every other punt return and, hopefully, he won't replace Harris with Richard. Harris is the best, certainly the smartest, return man the Raiders have had in a long long time.


These should be top priorities prior to the draft.

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Either TE from Iowa would be a score. My preference is Hoeckenson. Unless Allen is available at 4, I would love to see the Raiders trade down and end up with some combination of the following players: Hoeckenson or Faint for TE: Burns, Gary or Polite for edge, White or Bush at lb and Williams or Baker for cb.

With the Dolphins and the Giants both needing quarterbacks if the Cardinals don't take Murray Raiders are in prime position to trade down.

I love what Gruden's done at wide receiver they went from being slow and having nobody to some serious speed on the team the combination of Brown Williams and Jj Nelson can take the top off a defense

Good weekend and exciting times in Raider land.


5:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I couldn't remember the kids name, so I looked it up. Darren Waller, 3rd year TE out of Georgia Tech. He came on strong toward the end of last year. Maybe the Raiders saw enough in him to think they are ok without Cook. Waller, Lee Smith and Carrier.

8:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waller looks like he could catch the ball and run. The reason I like Hawkinson from Iowa's he's up here tight end who you can line up in tight to the formation any ragdolls guys in the Run game but can get down the field and catch the ball.


9:03 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Everyone in the media has forgotten about Waller. I think he will be our premiere TE, even if we draft one. Carrier started turning and burning too late in the season, so I think he and Waller will battle it out, with Waller winning.

I don't think we trade down from #4. I think Devin White is our first pick still at #4. Jaylon Ferguson (DE, LA Tech) is our second pick in the first. I previously had Parris Campbell with our third pick, but since WR is pretty much solidified at this point, I am going to have to bump DeAndre Baker (CB, Georgia) up to the third pick of the first round. So who do we get for the 2nd?

I think we can actually trade down with this pick, and get back into the 3rd round as well. I like Mike Weber (RB, Ohio State) here. Ohio State has a history of good RBs in the NFL, the last one being Eddie George. But Qadree Ollison (RB, Pittsburgh) has features more like Eddie George, which is why I like him. But he may end up more like a FB.

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inside LB at 4, the guy better be Butkus reincarnated or Ray Lewis.

Hard to see an ilb going that early in today's nfl.


6:19 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I disagree Sandy. Name the last time the Raiders had a stout MILB? I have Greg Biekert. It has been a desperate need for a long time. He's got to be a MILB who can do the job, Devin Bush is that guy.

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate completely agree they have not had a mlb who could lead the defense since Greg. Unless you count half a season of Perry Riley, Nick Roach or Bowman lol.

That being said mlb is not a premium position anymore in the nfl. Bush in the late 20s or early 2 I would be fine with. Devin White at 4 I would puke.

Assuming Bosa is gone if they can not get Josh Allen I think they need to trade down as there are many edge rushers available outside the top 5

I figure Gary and Sweat go picks 6-12, then Polite, Ferrell and Burns 15-30. Your Ferguson guy is second round early

I also dont like Quinen Williams in top 5, DT are not worth that high a pick with the exception of Donald same goes for Oliver who I would not take him in top 15 in fact I would take Simmons from Mississippi State before Oliver.

My dream is trade down and get Gary, Hoeckson and then one of Byron Murphy, Baker or Greedy

Any interest in Jacobs form Alabama at RB


5:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

A lot of "Mock" guys have Devin White going in the Top 10, White graded 6.2 in the Combine which is in the top 15 of all the positions(Quennin Williams the #1 grade of 6.7), and was the #1 grade among all LBs.
Ferguson is a guy who's stock is quickly rising among NFL scouts, but not on Mock picks, and had the 3rd highest grade at EDGE position. Mock draft guys don't like small schools, NFL Scouts love small schools. I am not sold on Gary, a lot of grumblings about him having the talent but not the work ethic, and it showed in big games for Michigan. His motor seem to run dry.

10:55 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hopefully, the Raiders do their due diligence. When you pick at #4, you can afford to make several visits to the top talents in the nation. This process has eluded the Raiders in the past, including when they were picking #1. We all know how that worked out. Right after the Raiders picked Russell, he told the media it was "time to get paid", then proceeded to hold out. Picking #1, Raiders were within the rights to negotiate with Russell (and other potential picks) before the draft.

12:25 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders re-signed Dwayne Harris. That's a huge move, IMO, and maybe more important than signing Cook, i.e., if we are to believe Waller is TE heir apparent.

Harris is the most consistent and smartest returner I can remember on the Raiders, and he provides depth at WR.

Still like to see Cook signed before he gets away. He and Carr have a chemistry.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Last time a mlb got taken in the top 5---AJ Hawk in 2006. Just sayin. It may be the least important position on defense in the nfl.


6:12 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

MLB is the green dot position. He's the QB of the defense and plays virtually all the snaps, so I don't know how that could be ranked least important.

Sure, the NFL draft places a premium on certain positions, like QB, WR, Edge Rusher, etc., but it boils down to talent. Apparently, it's rare when a truly exceptional plug and play MLB comes through the draft. I would think most are groomed into the position.

4:26 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders have been looking at FA inside LBs, most recently, Brandon Marshall. More evidence to how important the position is... not to mention how the defense has failed over and over when young and inexperienced players are plugged in at MLB.

4:33 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Brandon Marshall signed, Vontaze Burfict signed. More penalty flags coming our way.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is the bitching and whining over yet?


6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, it's looking like Mark Davis isn't a dope after all? Looks like Gruden still has some pull and savvy after all?

Did ya'll see that MIT analytics review stating the Raiders made a good trade (Mack)?

One by one the bitching points are being buried. Now what?

Double it up

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate, Where did you see Brandon Marshall signed? As of Wed morning I don't believe that has happened.

Vontaze looked completely finished last year and a half. However, when he was healthy and on the field he was a dominant force.


5:41 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I saw the Brandon Marshall deal on Monday on Raiders' official twitter page. Can't find it now, so I wonder if it was premature.
I'm not sold on Vontaze either, I'm not sure what to think about this signing, but it is only a 1 year contract. George Iloka is also visiting. They are getting older on defense.

8:14 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Burfict has a history of concussions, probably due to his aggressive style. So paying him $5M for one year is a gamble. Granted, there weren't a lot of options. Burfict is younger than Derrick Johnson, who didn't even make it through October before being released.

So Tahir Whitehead is still the Raiders top LB. Scary stuff!

Front 7 has to be THE major focus in the draft.

BTW, Jones, I'm not ready to concede the genius of Jon Gruden just yet. Dare I remind you, this is how you rolled when the McKenzie era started. And because one article suggests trading Mack was good for the Raiders doesn't make it true. Mack is a future HOFer and the Raiders haven't used the draft capital they received for him. Lot's of what-ifs still in play. The only thing we know for sure is that Mack can play his ass off.


5:35 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Saints reached a deal with Jared Cook, Matt Bair said the Raiders weren't really expecting Cook to come back and that he was looking for big payday. Raiders sign Mike Glennon to back up Carr, and Safety Curtis Riley (Giants).
Here are the offseason moves made by the Raiders so far:
Antonio Brown, Tyrell Williams, Dwayne Harris, JJ Nelson (WRs), Trent Brown (OT), Lamarcus Joyner (S), Vontaze Burfict (LB), Nevin Lawson (CB), Erik Harris (DB), Jonathan Hankins (DT), Mike Glennon (QB), Jordan Devey (OG), Curtis Riley (S).

Mock drafts are all over the place. One has the Raiders picking Clelin Ferrell at #24 overall. I don't think he falls that far. A lot of them have the Raiders picking Quinnen Williams, because yeah, the Raiders need another DT? There are several who have Josh Allen falling to the Raiders, but only if Kyler Murray is picked #1 overall, and the 49ers or Jets pick Quinnen Williams. I'm not sold that Kyler goes #1.

A lot of mocks have Devin White going #5 overall, so it is not unreasonable to have him go #4. Again, I would love Josh Allen to fall to #4, but don't think it will happen. I am going to stand by my picks here:
Devin White (LB), Jaylon Ferguson (DE), and DeAndre Baker (CB)

3:44 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders need Josh Allen in a bad bad way. IMO, he gives them the best opportunity to "replace" (i.e., substitute for) Mack.

Allen isn't as strong as Mack but he's very athletic. In highlight packages you can see his athleticism around the edge and even in coverage.

In terms of free agency, the Raiders did about all they could do. A bit disappointing they didn't go after Justin Houston but a decent first-ever FA period for Mike Mayock.

Antonio Brown is arguably the best WR in the league, and the Raiders made a good deal with the Steelers. However, he's a luxury for a good team, which the Raiders are not. Let's hope he doesn't flame out before the Raiders have a chance to actually make some progress in their rebuild. IMO, Carr will help keep Brown in check.

Trent Brown was a smart addition. Raiders biggest weakness on offense was at tackle. If Miller can step up in his second year, Raiders might have a decent line.

For me, adding Tyrell Williams and re-signing Dwayne Harris made the a lot of sense. Williams is big and can make contested catches that the Raiders badly need. Harris proved he is the smartest ST player in the league, and even outsmarted TV commentators who didn't understand his savvy.

Based on what I've read, Joyner is next best. He's versatile and will help in slot coverage.

Hankins will stick, and Devey is probably a solid backup, but the rest may be camp fodder or depth.

Amazingly, the Raiders front 7 remains status quo.

Will adding 3-4 rookies to the defense be enough to get them over the top, or even back to .500?

Josh Allen would be a great start!

5:34 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, Devon White is already talking about a big pay day following his rookie contract. Last time we had a draft pick running his mouth about getting paid, he flamed out on purple drank.

The kid might be talented but he needs some humility and should want to learn at the next level before collecting his reward.

He makes Josh Allen, a seemingly humble family man, look even better!

I might pass on White at the #4 pick.

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I would love Josh Allen too, and I do hope he falls to the #4 spot by some miracle. If he doesn't, I really like Jaylon Ferguson as much as Josh Allen. Jaylon has the same tools and strength that Mack had coming out of college. He is not getting a lot of media play because he's from a small school. This is where media "mock drafts" miss. They do all the homework and video watching of the big school players only.

I know that Gruden and Mayock are doing their homework, and I will place money they both have their eye on this kid. I think if he has a pro day, and does well, Raiders may even want to take him at #4, especially if Josh Allen is off the board. Yes, he's that good.

I read recently about Devin White running his mouth too. I have concerns about that as well. I may rethink this. This draft is soooo tough. I'd hate to be in the "war room" this draft.

Devey is not going to be a backup, he is going to play Right Guard with Gabe Jackson moving to the left side, as Gabe Jackson mentioned earlier this week in an interview with Vic Tafur.

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

As it stands, I have: Quinnen Williams going first, Nick Bosa going second, and Josh Allen going third. The Jets are looking to trade down from the #3 spot. This could be a great shot for the Raiders to get Josh Allen, depending on who trades for the #3. This is going to be interesting.

2:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Some believe Kyler Murray is worth the top pick and may entice the Cards to move on from their version of Josh Allen... Otherwise, a team could trade up for Murray, meaning Josh Allen could fall to the Raiders pick.

However, the Raiders have also shown interest In Murray, which I assume is just a diversion. It would be a huge mistake for the Raiders to draft a backup QB with their #4 pick. Drafting Murray only makes sense if he is to compete and possibly replace Carr. And even that's a leap.

2:34 PM  

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