Monday, December 31, 2018

RIP "Oakland" Raiders / Welcome...Mike Mayock?

Well, I'll have more to say soon, after the spell of the holidays has worn off, but for now...


Yesterday's game is not really worth writing about, except for maybe that pick-six, which was one of the worst ones I've ever seen. This team as a lot of work to do.


Which brings us to our new GM, who has never worked in a front office before. Thankfully, he won't have the final say on draft and personnel matters (hint: Jon Gruden will).


As far as the Raiders having possibly played their last season in Oakland, this is a nasty business. I don't like it, even though I understand the circumstances that led to it. But Mark Davis could have done better, a lot better, when it comes to the local fans.


Anyhow, before the start of the season, I said that the curtain was rising on THE GRUDEN SHOW.


Now the first act of THE GRUDEN SHOW is over, and like it or not, we now have to place our faith and hope in Jon Gruden's ability to steer the Raiders out of this self-made quagmire that resulted in one of the worst seasons in this franchise's once-storied history.


Until then, Happy New Year my friends, thanks to all of you who make this place what it is.

53 Comments:

Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Happy New Year, Take, and everyone else here. Yesterday's pick 6 was difficult because Jared Cook didn't even attempt to break for the ball. He thought it was a run play. That is 6 in a row for losses in KC for the Raiders, who have had trouble the last 2 years to build on great wins the week before.

Mayock our new GM is interesting. If anyone will be at the facility at 4am with Jon Gruden, it will be Mayock. My concern is not the ability to scout, but the ability to manage the cap and negotiate with agents. Again, when you fire people, you have to bring in those who are better than who you let go. Not sure that Mayock is a step up from McKenzie, but I guess we are going to find out.

With the Roster we had when Gruden became coach, there was a sense of hope that the Raiders could win this season. Fans were punched in the stomach when Crabtree exited, almost immediately, to Baltimore. Then Jano was shown the door to Seattle. Marquette King was let go, because Gruden didn't want to pay $3million to a punter. The air was deflated in this team when Mack was traded. We continued to lose in the season, guys like Irvin, and of course, Cooper. Out of the players who helped turn this franchise around, 4 of them are in the playoffs: Jano, Crabtree, Cooper, and Mack. 3 of them won their divisions (Crab, Coop, and Mack), and one of them has a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl (Mack). I wish them well, but really wish all of this was with the Raiders.

We will see what the future holds for this Raiders team. Hopefully it is more of the 2016 kind of season, but I'm tired of holding my breath. JUST WIN, BABY!

7:47 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

While I don't think the Raiders completely gave up yesterday, it's obvious their season ended last week when they shot the moon against Denver. This one wasn't worth watching, and I regret that I did. I agree that it's not worth writing about.

Looking at the bigger picture, the primary focus in the 2018 draft was OT and DT, positions which the Raiders burned first, second, third and fifth round draft picks (plus 3rd rd pick on Key). After 16 games, it's quite possible that OT and DT are still among their biggest needs. That should concern all fans who placed their trust in Gruden to turn the franchise around.

Maybe Year 2 will be better for Miller, Parker, Hall, Key, et al. Or, Hurst may be the only keeper.

Mayock as GM is interesting but, like Gruden, Mayock has spent most of his time behind a microphone. Mayock is knowledgeable and has been around football a long time but has no GM experience. This only places more responsibility on Gruden, which "The Gruden Show" believers fully expected.

I guess for those naysayers, hiring Mayock is just further proof that Gruden is fully in charge.

Have the Raiders have come full circle, back into the one-man-in-charge black hole?

Raiders still have far more questions than answers.

IMO, firing Olsen and Cable should be at the top of Gruden's list.

Happy New Year!

8:51 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

A lot of NFL Insiders are praising the Raiders' hire of Mike Mayock based on his work ethic and player evaluation. They are saying if anyone will challenge Gruden it will be Mayock.

I think that part is great and terrific, but that is only part of the GM job. The other part, not being spoken about, is the management of the present and future Salary Cap Space. This season spoke alot about Gruden's inability to properly assess value to certain positions (especially with a future HoF DE). Can Mayock bring balance to that? If not, who will hold those 2 accountable? Mark Davis?
I understand that when you have bigger contracts, it limits what you are able to do with the rest of the roster. Will they be willing to pay "fair market value" to players and future HoFers/superstars? Or are they going to build a roster of "average/above average" players and hope for the best?

The Rams are setting the pace with what they are willing to spend with a decent roster. We will see what happens when they have to shell out money for Goff, Gurley, Donald, Suh, Peters, and Talib (not too mention the WRs and O-line), and how many Championships it brings them.

My predictions for the playoffs:
Wildcard
Colts beat the Texans, Cowboys beat the Seahags, Chargers beat the Ravens, Bears beats the Eagles

Division
Colts beat the Chiefs, Saints beat the Cowboys, Patriots beat the Chargers, and the Bears beat the Rams

Conference
Patriots beat the Colts, Bears beat the Saints

Super Bowl
Bears beat the Patriots

9:58 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Looks like Mayock will bring much needed talent evaluation. That's his strength. Salary cap can be managed by accountants and attorneys.

Early on, the Raiders primary capital will be the draft. No need to sign expensive free agents before the team can carry a steady pulse (still in CCU). That said, I expect the Raiders will over spend in free agency, because they can.

For the playoffs, best thing that can happen for the Raiders is if the Bears and Cowboys get knocked out in the first round. I have to root for that, and it will help make those games more fun to watch.

I'm predicting the Rams to go all the way and get some return on investment, while proving that having a player like Aaron Donald on your team is not only a good thing but affordable.

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY,
Rams are my second choice to win the Super Bowl. I think the Bears do it though, because the Rams haven't been playing too well of late. We will see what happens, but the Bears and the Rams are the favorites.

My dark horse pick for the Super Bowl is the Colts. They seem to be playing well of late. Their Defense has really stepped up, and is quietly one of the strongest defenses in the League. Frank Reich has done a phenomenal job in Indy. I bet Indy fans are glad that Josh Daniels stepped out. That schlub shouldn't even be offered a HC job; especially after turning down an interview with the Bengals.

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4:13 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I thought the Rams would be the Bears toughest challenge, but it was their kicker. The only game I missed this weekend, and it hurts since I had the Bears going to the Super Bowl. But I think it will be the Rams and Patriots. Colts are my underdog that could beat the Patriots. I think it will be the Eagles and the Rams in the NFC Championship, and the Colts and the Patriots in the AFC.

4:56 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bears went from middle-rank D to the NFL's top D... and Mack was a huge factor.

Patriots are very beatable but it will probably be the Chiefs. Even without Kareem Hunt, the Chiefs offense is almost unstoppable.

Raiders were a Janikowski injury and one missed FG away from securing slots for both acquired 1st rd draft picks this weekend.

With one SB as backup QB under his belt and possibly heading for another, Nick Foles should supplant Carson Wentz as the starter. Regardless, Foles will be starting for somebody. How about the Raiders?

4:04 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I agree about Foles, if he wins another Super Bowl, he should supplant Wentz. Eagles seem to play better with Foles. With that said, I agree with Bucky Brooks on the matter. With Wentz, Pederson can open his playbook and take risks. The players on offense don't have to play with as much disciplined focus with Wentz as they do with Foles. However, with Foles, they have to take what the Defense gives them, and everyone has to rally around that, be more focused, and stick to their assignments. But there still seems to be better chemistry with the WRs when Foles is the QB.

Even if they don't win, Foles should be playing somewhere next season. We already have Carr, I'd rather take my chances with him and get some solid weapons around him. Houston may be a good landing spot. Depending on who takes over the Cardinals, Arizona may be the perfect spot for Foles. Miami may be another decent place for Foles, again, depending on who the Coach is. It will be interesting to see what the Eagles do.

6:39 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Foles is a proven commodity, whereas, Carr is not. Carr has struggled badly when pressured.

I like Carr, but would consider Foles in exchange.

3:18 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"During ESPN’s pregame show, Mayock was even gracious enough to give Steve Levy a few minutes of his time.

One of the obvious questions Levy asked of Mayock was how the relationship will work between Gruden and himself. Most notably he confirmed what many already assumed; this is Gruden’s show."

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/1/7/18173185/raiders-gm-mike-mayock-says-jon-gruden-has-final-say

4:26 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NY,
I was about to post a similar article, but from USA Today. Gruden has the final say on "ALL personnel". I emphasized ALL, but that is a direct quote from Mike Mayock the new GM. With that said, it doesn't mean that Mayock won't challenge Gruden, but if there is a disagreement, Mayock will give way to Gruden. Further proof, this is the Gruden show.

Foles was cut by the Eagles for similar issues that Carr is facing now. When Foles was cut, he was putting up good numbers as QB, but struggled because of pressure he was facing. In fact, Aaron Rodgers looked horrible this year, because of pressure he faced from the defense; and his WR's unable to get separation from defenders.

I say give Gruden a chance to get talent around Carr and see what he can do then. I guarantee he will be better than what he was in 2016. If he's not, then by the time they get the talent, then Trevor Lawrence may be available at QB from Clemson.

Speaking of Clemson, they DESTROYED Alabama last night! Clelin Ferrell may have become the #1 DE for the draft. I still think Oliver Jr is better suited for DE in the NFL and is still the #1 spot for me. Ferrell is a Junior, so he still has to make his intentions known. After hearing him talk last night, it wouldn't surprise me if he stays for his Sr year.

Draft and Free Agency is going to be interesting, as the Raiders have a lot of holes to fill. Focus has to be on DE, WR, ROT, MLB, SLB, WLB, maybe RB and Safety are all positions that need to be revamped. We can't hit everything in the draft, so it will be interesting to see what happens with Free Agency as well.

There are some interesting names in Free Agency, and I'd like to see the Raiders make a run at a few:
Lorenzo Alexander (Bills, OLB)
Maybe Marshall Newhouse (Bills, RT)
Vincent Ray (Bengals, MLB)
Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix (Packers, S)
Jadeveon Clowney (Texans, DE)
Marquis Flowers (Patriots, LB)
Brent Grimes (Bucs, CB)
Devin Funchess (Panthers, WR)
Maybe Teddy Bridgewater as backup QB
Brandon Graham (Eagles, DE)
Randy Gregory (Cowboys, DE, backup to DeMarcus Lawrence)

Some interesting names that may be cut or up for trade:
We all know Le'Veon Bell is available, but I think he is demanding serious $$ that the Raiders won't pay, same with Antonio Brown. Not sure the Raiders are willing to take on his $20 million salary, and part with a high draft pick. So I think those 2 are a far stretch for the Raiders to go after, regardless of what pundits are saying.

There is a rumor that the Broncos are considering cutting Von Miller. If that happens, and the Raiders could negotiate a decent contract for him, look out! That would be the epic of all epic ironies, and it would be more awesome than the Doncos cutting Alzado and the Raiders picking him up.

It will also be interesting to see what the Texans do with Clowney. They want a deal done before Franchise Tagging begins, but they have salary cap issues too. If they pursue to keep Clowney, it may be at the cost of cutting JJ Watt if he doesn't want to re-negotiate his contract.

I will be watching the Joe Flacco and Nick Foles/Carson Wentz situation as well. If the Eagles win again, they have to trade/cut Wentz. Joe Flacco is done in Baltimore. Depending on who they get as a coach, I think Flacco would fit well in Miami, Houston, Jacksonville. Depending on what happens in Philly, I think Foles or Wentz would fit in Arizona well, but Wentz would also be a good fit in Miami, Jacksonville, Houston. Another team to keep an eye out is Washington, and what happens with Alex Smith.

It's going to be a fun offseason, we will see what Mayock does, and what Gruden decides.

9:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Lots of high price tags in that group. To be clear, if the Raiders pay any free agent even close to $20M that would be a severe blow to salary cap theorists who believed the Raiders could not afford Mack.

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

A lot of high prices too. Another wrench in the offseason is going to be who is cut and released by teams. Here are some players who the Raiders may get for cheaper $$ if they are cut:
Malik Jackson (DT, Jacksonville), Robert Quinn (DE, Miami), DeSean Jackson (WR, Tampa), and even though he tore his ACL in week 16, Demaryius Thomas (WR, Texans). Just on the Eagles, NFL.com is saying, "Veterans like Jason Kelce, Timmy Jernigan and Jason Peters could be released."

Of course, the biggest name on this list is Eli Manning. There are numerous reports that the Giants are going to cut Eli Manning, and are pursuing a potential trade with the Raiders for Derek Carr. These reports have become so ludicrous that there is even mumbles that the Raiders are going to draft under-sized Kyler Murray to replace DC. I personally don't want to believe this report, but the one thing Gruden showed me this season is he's crazy enough to do anything.

I want to believe him when he says that he love DC, and they will work together for a long time. In fact, I think that is one of the most truthful statements he's made since becoming HC. Part of the reason is he has not put a "guaranteed" stamp on Derek (like he guaranteed that Mack would be back when he visited Ricky's in Oakland). I want to believe him, but the other part of me doesn't believe a damn thing he says after this season. I was hopeful that Mayock would be able to contrast his "celebrity ego" that hurt our team this year, until Mayock said that Gruden will have the final say on all personnel. So I am back to square one of "Just Prove It, Baby!" Not just with the Raiders, but with Gruden.

It is going to be an interesting offseason. It is almost a little overwhelming right now trying to figure out how the Raiders can build back up after the implosion this season. I'd love to be a fly on the wall with Mayock and Gruden, and I'd also love to give my input and help. That's what I love about Raider Take, it allows me to live part of that dream (giving my input and help). Thanks Take, and here's to a better 2019! Just Win, BABY!

11:14 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gruden has given us no reason to believe anything he says. Past Raiders regimes relied on stealth. Unfortunately, Gruden's version of stealth has been to tell us white lies. Not that we deserve to know everything, but with dishonesty comes erosion of trust. We're the fans. We deserve a little more respect, IMHO.

Carr for Manning would be a colossal mistake. Carr might not be the guy, but Manning is certainly not. He's had a great career and should go out healthy and with integrity while he can. He's not his brother, and he's no Tom Brady.

When I think about the Raiders season, it pisses me off that Gruden couldn't do better. I think the rust from not coaching for so long and bad decisions plagued his season. Things got better toward the end, but coaching and game planning fell short all year.

Now, Gruden and Mayock can't afford bad decisions. We've said this before, but the margin for error is small.

1:55 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Mel Kiper put out his first Mock Draft. He picked CB (Williams), WR (Brown) and TE (Smith) for Raiders 3 first-round picks in his first mock draft. Is there anyone in this business who has no clue about team needs and draft worse than Mel Kiper? Complete noob! I would say Todd McShay may be worse, but year in and year out, I smirk when I read Kiper because I think, "I wonder what this idiot has to say."
Maybe if people quit reading him based on this kind of merit, he would have to get a real job. SMH

8:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PFF had Josh Allen falling to the Raiders at #4, which seems very unlikely. At least they got our top needs right. First round almost has to be all defense.

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/1/16/18185517/pro-football-focus-first-offseason-mock-draft-with-raiders-taking-second-pass-rusher-off-the-board

3:49 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I like Josh Allen for our first pick. If we don't get Ed Oliver Jr, I think Josh Allen is our 2nd best choice. I think Zach Allen will be a good DE with our second pick, and then Marquise Brown (WR, Oklahoma) for our third. Scott Bair like N'Keal Harry with our third pick, but I don't think he is first round talent, and there are a ton of questions about his work ethic.
We could also pick up Zach Allen with our third pick, and trade up with our second pick to get AJ Brown (WR, Ole Miss), or take our chances to get Parris Campbell (WR, Ohio St). This will be one of the most interesting offseasons in a long time.

2:28 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Indeed. Raiders have a ton of salary cap room and a boatload of draft picks. All we need now is smart decision-making.

6:37 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

QB Coach Brian Callahan leaving to be Cincinnati's next Offensive Coordinator. I was hoping that Gruden would have used him in that capacity here in Oakland over Olsen.

11:34 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gruden reported as saying he wants Lynch back, and presumably in another interview he wanted Martin back.

Ugh!

Neither of these guys is the future for the Raiders. Maybe Gruden is just telling the fans more untruths. He's used to that.

For my money, I don't want to see Lynch return (he'll be 33-34) and I really don't care about Martin. He fumbled in critical situations.

Chris Warren III, draft and/or free agency (but no high-price long in the tooth FAs).

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NFL up in arms after Saints were robbed by non called PI in playoff game.

"Changes must be made", "Swift action will be taken", "We can't let this happen again".

Where were all these clowns when Raiders were robbed so many times over the years ?

Just makes you laugh. 35 years of instant replay, and NFL still is worst officiated league.

The more they try to "Fix" it, the worst they make it.

1:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

There are bad calls and non-calls every game. The critical timing of this one has it under a microscope but it pales next to the tuck call. Yet both the Raiders and the Saints had opportunities to win their games.

Go Rams!

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...


NYR....I believe the "Tuck" rule remains in NFL rules book.

No action taken. No admitting a mistake was made. That's the difference.

4:41 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

00- I'm pretty sure they removed the tuck rule.
Cheers!

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The blatant bad non-call of the Rams-Saints was ridiculous. The ref was looking right at it, and at no point thought of removing his flag. I think the ref in the replay booth should be able to call or overturn penalties.
I say that because of the Chiefs DE who was called for roughing the passer after hitting Brady's shoulder trying to deflect a pass. Somebody should hold the refs accountable who probably have money riding on the outcome of the game.
The Saints are considering a lawsuit against the League. Sound familiar?

8:12 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Yeah, the roughing call on the Chiefs was really bad too. He never hit the helmet. Not sure what can be done. It's human error and if you involve replay for all officiating, games could take 5 hours.

At a minimum, the league needs better refs. Aren't refs part-time? For a multi-billion dollar business, refs should be full-time salaried employees of the league and spend off-seasons training. Too much is at stake.

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

3 new first round picks I have in mind, now that the Senior Bowl is over. Looking forward to Scouting Combine next, and then Free Agency to see how these change.

I'm still sold with Ed Oliver Jr (DL, Houston), or Josh Allen (LB/DE, Kentucky) with our first selection
With our second Nasir Adderly (DB, Delaware).
AJ Brown (WR, Ole Miss) or Devin Bush (ILB, Mich)

2:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ed Oliver will not go in the top 10. He is probably the 5th or 6th best D lineman

5:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Haven't seen any mocks with Raiders taking Oliver. That said, the #4 pick has to be a defensive player, unless Gruden takes a QB and blows up the entire organization.

Lots of talent at the top of the draft. Raiders can't screw it up. Right?!!

11:24 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Flacco goes to the Doncos in a trade. Will it make a difference? Depends on if the Doncos get better on the O-Line. Flacco's numbers have consistently dropped since his last Super Bowl. I think if they fail, Elway is out as GM.

I still like Oliver, because he is not a DT, but can play all over the line. It is difficult to rate him because of his abilities. The only weakness he has, is if he doesn't have the line help (like he did at Houston), he wears down late in the game and can't get off double teams. But with Mo Hurst, and help on the Raiders line, he will dominate. He may not be a top 4 in "scouts" assessments, but he would be worth that spot if the Raiders see his value.

With that said, I have been thinking over my draft picks for the Raiders after the Senior Bowl, and evaluating. Here are my "mock" picks for all the picks the Raiders have that make most sense to me with all the norm "mocks":

Clelin Ferrill (DE, Clemson) the safe pick not named Ed Oliver Jr for DE.
AJ Brown (WR, Ole Miss)
Nasir Adderley (S, Delaware)
Amani Oruwariye (CB, Penn State) in the 2nd
Vosean Joseph (OLB, Florida) in the 3rd, I also like Devin Bush (LB, Michigan) here, but like Joseph better.
Andy Isabella (WR, UMass) in the 4th
Ben Banogu (DE, TCU) in the 5th, I like him here. He needs someone to help him develop and become a great DE. He could also be used as an OLB.
Corey Ballentine (CB, Washburn) in the 6th [Steal of the draft, btw]
LJ Scott (RB, Mich St) in the 6th [another late round steal, big back for short yardage that will help Richard]
Trey Pipkins (OT, Sioux Falls) in the 7th [3 late round steals in a row, all from small schools like Upshaw]
Steven Coutts (P, Cal) with our last pick.

9:54 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I like Ferrill too, but haven't really don't much reading yet. I hope the Raiders stick with defense for at least two first round picks, maybe all three. Too many holes on defense.

They need to stay diligent and sign a vet FA right tackle. They can't suffer another season without a legit RT. They are extremely weak at LT too, but maybe the kid will improve.

Flacco is formidable. Can't just brush that off. He's a savvy vet QB, and they have a good D.

Raiders better make some smart decisions or they will once again find themselves at the bottom of the division... and we will all be asking ourselves, "what's it gonna take."

I hope Chucky isn't in over his head!

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Agreed NY, all these picks can and will change depending on what they do in Free Agency, and when they hit Free Agency (before or after draft). It will be interesting to see if Donald Penn comes back and how he plays in the O-Line.
I picked AJ Brown with the 2nd pick in the 1st round because we need a solid WR. Rumor mill has us going after Antonio Brown, but I think his price tag is too high, he is due $21 million this season, and Steelers are asking too much. Puff puff pass!
Here are some reason Free Agents I think the Raiders may be targeting for some positions:
CJ Mosely (ILB, Ravens)
Devin Funchess (WR, Panthers)
Tyrell Williams (WR, Chargers), we'd have to pay too much $$ for him though
Jermon Bushrod (OT, Saints)
Ju'Wan James (OT, Dolphins)
Za'Darius Smith (DE, Ravens)
Alex Okafor (DE, Saints)
Mycahl Kendricks (OLB, Seahags)
Bryce Callahan (CB, Bears)
Kareem Jackson (CB, Texans)
Landon Collins (S, Giants)

Also, this is not counting those who will be cut soon. NFL.com is already reporting that Brandon Marshall will be cut. He'd be a good pick up that won't break the bank. Mark Barron (ILB, Rams) is also on the list to be possibly cut. De'Vonta Parker (WR, Dolphins) may be cut, and would be a good pick up. So is Justin Houston (DE/OLB, Chiefs), Devin McCourty (S, Patriots, but may also retire) and Donta Hightower.
Reports that the Raiders may be cutting Seth Roberts and Kelechi Osemele. I could see why we'd cut Osemele though. He is getting older and had injury concerns. But dude has been posting on Twitter and he looks ripped and healthy. He's a beast on the O-Line, and very physical. Jon Feliciano could take his place as a starter, and it would be much deserved. I think Feliciano fits with ZBS more, but is not as physical as Osemele, but I like Feliciano. I think a surprise cut may be Gabe Jackson. He struggled under Cable and the ZBS. I'd be upset with that.
Let's not forget that Tom Cable drafted Jared Veldheer (OT, Doncos) who is a free agent this year too, so we could see the return of Veldheer.

2:18 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

If Penn returns, I hope it's only to play or backup at LT. He's not a legit RT, and risks getting injured again.

In terms of Antonio Brown, we were told over and over that the Raiders can't afford to pay two premium players, and that's why Mack was shown the door. Brown is a great player but I will take exception to the Raiders paying him Mack's contract.

Raiders have plenty of money to spend but spread the money out. Let the rebuild take its course!

Osemele was injured last year, and his performance dropped off. Feliciano filled in like a pro. He could start in the interior for many teams. I hope both are back, but I would choose the younger Feliciano (who also can pay center).

Veldheer back with the Raiders would be ironic to say the least. That move would double down on the mistakes made in last year's draft, IMO.

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your facts right, Brown makes 15, 11, and 12 the next three years.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

According to overthecap.com, here are Antonio Browns Contract details for the 2019 season:
2019 Base Salary-$12,625,000 Prorated Bonus-$7,040,000 Roster Bonus-$2,500,000
Salary Cap Charge-$22,165,000 Dead Money-$21,120,000 Cap Saving-$1,045,000

2019 Salary Cap Charge: $22,165,000
2019 Cash Payout: $15,125,000
Annual Contract Value: $17,000,000
Fully Guaranteed Money: $19,000,000

I have my facts just fine.

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

This is the Combine line on DK Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss) from Ian Rappaport:
Ole Miss WR D.K. Metcalf, of social media fame, measured in at 6-foot-3 and 3/8 and 228 pounds... with 1.6% body fat

Jon Gruden, "He looks like Jim Brown! He’s the biggest wideout I’ve ever seen. ...who is tackling this guy?"

Looks like we will probably draft him in the first with one of our last 2 picks. I'm okay with that. AJ Brown (Metcalf's teammate) was more productive, but we need a big speedy WR.

1:32 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders can't afford to miss (no pun intended) on any of their first round picks. I don't know Metcalf, but if he's a project player, let's pass... please!

Draft picks are hard enough to get right.

Draft proven talent and hope that all three first round picks are instant starters.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Metcalf is not a project player. He's more than a decent WR. I thought AJ Brown was a little better at Ole Miss (both are teammates) but Metcalf has better size for the NFL, and is speedy. Can't wait to see their 40 times tomorrow.

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

DK Metcalf just blew up the combine. He may be our first pick at #4, because I don't think he will be there later in the round. That was exciting. 4.33 40 yard dash, 27 reps on the bench, hands like a machine.

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Reading up on how 1.6% body fat is possible, and it is not! DK Metcalf would be dead if that was his official body fat %. Most competitive body builders have 5% body fat, and are passing out. Most athletic players and body builders should have about 10%. So I'm wondering if he is 10.6 or 16% body fat, which would still be incredible.

This combine is definitely going to change how I view the Raiders' draft picks. My top 3 are going to change, but I don't know how yet. DL and LBs are impressive today, Montez Sweat, Josh Allen, Devin White, Devin Bush, Gary Johnson, Chase Winovich, Ben Banogu. All these guys have been impressive so far in the combine, not too mention Quinnen Williams, and Clelin Ferrell. I still think that Josh Allen, Clelin Ferrell, and Ed Oliver are the safest picks at #4, but I am also adding DK Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss) and Devin White (ILB, LSU) to that spot. Both are at positions of need for the Raiders. This is tough, I'm not envious of Mayock here. Gruden is big on DK after talking with him one on one this weekend, if it is truly Gruden's choice, DK will be selected at #4, and then go with defense later in the round. This is definitely a draft where DLine is the deepest position, meaning that a team with huge defensive needs (like the Raiders) can afford to get after those positions in later rounds.

I'm going to chew on this for awhile, and hopefully later this week or next, have another mock draft for all the Raiders' picks. I love this time of year. JUST WIN, BABY!

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Perhaps if you understood what prorated means you would have your facts straight.

see from sportstrac link. Acquiring team does not get the cap hit from bonus etc

yearly cash from 19-21 is 15, 11 and 12. That is the cap hit to new team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

In a trade, the new team assumes the current contract unless the player is willing to re-negotiate, which AB would want new guarantees and bonuses. The Raiders would be forced to start at the current contract, and AB would want more. So not only will he push to make a higher base salary, he will make the prorated bonus from the Steelers of $7+ million, and he would push for a new pro-rated bonus, guaranteed $$, and roster bonus from whichever team he is traded to. The cap on his new team will exceed $25 million.
The problem is, he is making so much noise, nobody will trade for him. He wants the Steelers to cut him (collect the $21 million), and get a new contract for MORE money. This is not going to be a great deal for the Raiders, when you have someone like DK Metcalf, who is bigger and faster than Brown, that a team can get for a rookie contract. This is a no brainer, puff-puff-pass on AB. So again, my facts on his contract are indeed correct. Get a clue....

7:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pro-rated bonus has already been paid, it becomes dead cap for the Steelers, Raiders dont pay it.

You constantly make up nonsense. Read below and the links if you can manage that. No your facts are incorrect but hey that has never stopped you before lol


BUT BROWN’S NEW TEAM WOULD BE GETTING HIM AT A BARGAIN PRICE
If a team trades for Brown, it will owe him $36.4 million over a three-year deal. If the trade happens after March 17, by which point the Steelers would have paid Brown a roster bonus, the wide receiver would cost his new team $12.6 million for the 2019 season. The number would jump to $14.1 million if the new team has to pay the roster bonus.

That’s still … not a lot of money for an elite player at a premium position.

The last two years on Brown’s contract wouldn’t be very pricey either. He’s due only $23.8 million (or $11.9 million per year) for the 2020 and 2021 seasons. That would put Brown around 15th in the league in terms of average annual salary. And none of that money would be guaranteed, so if Brown’s play dropped off or if he decided to pull this stunt again, his new team could cut bait without any cap penalties.

It’s a low-risk move from a financial standpoint.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/steelers-antonio-brown-trade-demand-cap-space

https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Breaking-down-cap-hit-Antonio-Brown-would-incur-in-Denver-127776550/

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It is easy to sit here and say that his new team will only be hit with $XX amount of millions according to his current contract, which is technically right, until you look at the details of why AB is demanding a trade. AB has said himself, he will not agree to a trade unless his new team is willing to renegotiate his current contract, which means he is looking for more than what he would earn with the Steelers, he has said so in interviews this past weekend!

He is also torpedoing any trade by his words and actions, because he would rather be cut, allowing him to become a free agent, while making millions off the Steelers. Larry Fitzgerald has said this weekend, that AB has no clue how good he has it with the Steelers, and doesn't understand the process of what he's asked, and what he wants to gain.

So yes, I agree with you, in his current contract, his value may be less than what the Steelers would have to pay him, but he still earns $22 million this year whether he is traded or not. His current contract, and the Steelers unwillingness to renegotiate, is a HUGE reason why he asked to be traded. He wants to earn more! His new team is going to end up paying him MORE than his current contract. This is the reality of the AB-trade situation. Reality comes fast, buckle up. Not worth it

2:22 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Cost to the Raiders is more than salary (which Brown will want to renegotiate), it's also coveted draft picks the Raiders received for trading their franchise players.

The Steelers already burned the Raiders last year when they traded a useless WR for 3rd round draft pick. The Steelers have invested mega dollars into Brown, who will cost them, what, around $21M in dead money if he's traded.

Brown ain't gonna be cheap, and his cost is much more than salary, which could be manageable under the Raiders salary cap... but so was Mack's.

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

This was one of the best Combines in a long time, at almost every position (I thought RB and QB were really lacking). This is a great thing, because it means the draft has depth; but a difficult thing in that it is going to be tough to project who goes where. So much has changed for me regarding the draft, and I think that this is the most important draft for the Raiders because Free Agency talent is sooo thin, and the Raiders have some HUGE holes to fill.

With that said, here is an updated Mock Draft of the Raiders picks:
DK Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss), the only reason this doesn't happen is if Josh Allen is available at #4, which I think he goes to the Jets.
Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson), his stock drops after a poor combine, and the only reason he is this low is because Montez Sweat's stock rises.
Devin Bush (ILB, Michigan)
Amani Oruwariye (CB, Penn State) in the 2nd, this pick stays the same
Andy Isabella (WR, UMass) in the 3rd
Chase Winovich (DE, Michigan) in the 4th
Corey Ballentine (CB, Washburn) in the 5th [Steal of the draft, btw]
Qadree Ollison (RB, Pittsburgh) in the 6th [late round steal, big back for short yardage that will help Richard, potential Wheatley-type back]
Cameron Smith (LB, USC) or Terrill Hanks (OLB, New Mexico St) with our first pick in the 7th. Both players are about the same, but Smith has quicker speed than Hanks.
Trey Pipkins (OT, Sioux Falls) in the 7th [3 late round steals in a row, all from small schools like Upshaw] with our last pick.

3:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Unbelievably, the Raiders are said to be "odds-on favorites" to trade for Brown. I like Brown but I think trading draft picks and signing him to a new mega contract would be a big mistake for a team at the very beginning of a rebuild. Brown is a luxury purchase for a team that's ready to put itself over the top.

Just cause the Raiders have draft picks and salary cap to flaunt around doesn't make it right.

Honestly Carr is not the gunslinger that Big Ben is. Carr really struggled with deep passes the last couple years. Besides, big-play deep passing offense is inconsistent with what's being peddled in Oakland these days. High percentage of passes in Oakland barely make it to the LOS... and coaches have already demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to call plays that maximize the skill sets of their players. It wasn't until the end of last season they stopped trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Brown is a monster player and can help the Raiders back to mediocrity but he can't play defense... where the Raiders should use 3 of their 4 top picks this year on potential starters.

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/3/6/18253193/raiders-odds-on-favorites-to-land-antonio-brown-in-trade

1:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brown is the best WR in the league and has 3-4 great years left.

Carr had zero weapons last year and sieve for an o-line. Offense was as bad as D.

27th or 35th pick for Brown. Use remaining 1st picks on a pass rusher, and one of either Hockenson and Metcalf. Then sign a Mosley in FA and improvement from the OTs and they are back to .500 for sure.

Offense is more important than D in today's NFL. Chiefs are avg 30 a game no matter what and Raiders need to try and keep up.

Jerome

7:17 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Jerome,
I agree with Brown being the best WR in the League, but not at his asking price. I wouldn't give up a first rounder, nor renegotiate his current contract (which is what he wants, and why he wants to be traded).

Mosley is in negotiations to remain with Baltimore, and is giving them first bid (I've been keeping an eye on that). I think Free Agency will definitely impact the draft. As far as Free Agency, here's who I am watching as far as potential "bargain" Free Agents:
LB's:
Mark Barron is being released by the Rams
Bears cut Sam Acho
Kwon Alexander (Bucs)

Safeties:
Ha-Ha Clinton Dix
Kenny Vaccaro

RB's:
Jay Ajay
LeGarrette Blount
Frank Gore
Jeremy Hill

WRs:
Kelvin Benjamin
Devin Funchess

OTs:
Trent Brown
Ja'Wuan James

TEs:
Jared Cook

Outside of this list, unless some good names are cut, there is not much more out there; which is why I don't think the Raiders will be willing to part with draft picks at this point.

10:18 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Brown is a monster WR. Nobody would argue that. If the Raiders could get Brown at his current salary without renegotiating his contract and giving up draft picks, it would be a slam dunk.

Brown is arguably the best WR in the NFL, and will want to be paid the best. And the Steelers will want the best compensation for the best WR. These things just don't add up for the Raiders, who need help at every position and shouldn't be mortgaging all their investment capital on one player.

I thought that's why they got rid of Mack.

But I get the passion for Brown. He's fun to watch. I've had him in FFB two of the last three years. As it turns, he can't do it alone in FFB either.

4:37 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I agree NY. Brown would be fun to watch, and has an incredible work ethic. Something has gone awry in Pittsburgh though, and Brown is not happy about it. But not at the price he is wanting. He has gone out and interviewed poorly here the last couple weeks. NFL Players (you should read Sage Rosenfeldt & Larry Fitzgerald's tweets about it) are saying Brown is trying to sabotage his own trade request to force the Steelers to cut him. Why? Because he knows that any team he is traded to probably will not renegotiate his contract. He also knows that if he's cut, any team picking him up will have to sign him to a new contract where he can ask for more $$$.
In the end, I don't think this ends well for Antonio Brown, much like it didn't end well for Dez Bryant.

In other news, Case Keenum traded to the Redskins. I think this is a good pick up by Washington, but also tells me that Alex Smith won't be back, and possibly Colt McCoy. I still think Case will be a good QB wants he finds stability in an OC and system. Doncos are seeming to implode too. It's funny to me to see that he was a problem for them when he was QB, and is now a problem for them as GM, but the Doncos fail to realize that Elway is hurting them, and preventing them from winning consistently. I hope he is their GM for another 10 years!

Free Agency starts tomorrow. This is the only thing that will re-shape the draft. I hope the Raiders keep their picks, for now, and don't make any bone-headed trades (with a team that rhymes with Squealers). If they trade picks, I hope it is for more picks in the draft. This draft is deeper than Free Agency. This is a year to build through the draft, and I hope the Raiders make the right moves here.

Speaking of draft, it intrigues me that Ed Oliver's stock has dropped. He may be someone the Raiders could get with their last pick in the first round, or possible 35th pick overall. I still think he is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Chad Rueters, of NFL.com, is a total noob. I don't see how guys like him maintain a job title of "Draft Analyst". If you want to vomit in your mouth, go read his latest mock draft. I wish I had his job, I think I'd be pretty good at it. Nonetheless, buckle up, the offseason is about to start it's engines.

8:41 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, any team that trades for Brown without renegotiating his contract will end up without his services during a holdout.

WRT the draft, I hope the Raiders don't chase any players. They are prone to making mistakes when the do. Remember, they traded up to select Parker. Imagine that!

They should stay in their lane and select the best-available proven talent, almost regardless of position... with the possible exception at QB.

In the end, they need a good balance of free agency and draft, taking the fewest risks possible. Shooting for the stars with project players and overpriced FAs would be a mistake, again... IMO.

5:59 AM  

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