Wednesday, September 26, 2007

The Case for Culpepper

Josh McCown currently has four touchdowns, six turnovers, 494 yards and a QB rating of 75.2. He had a solid game against the Lions, a dreadful game against the Broncos, and a marginal game against the Browns. So who is the real Josh McCown?

The truth may be in the rating. In the prior three seasons in which he saw action in more than two games (2003 – 2005 with the Arizona Cardinals), his QB ratings were 70.3, 74.1 and 74.9. This year, it’s 75.2. Do you see a pattern here?

Those aren’t bad numbers. But they’re not great, either. They’re just okay. Maybe, to paraphrase his former coach, “He is who we thought he is!” I don’t know.

What I do know is that Daunte Culpepper has previously demonstrated a knack for the remarkable, not just the ordinary. I would like to see if he can be remarkable again for the Raiders. After all, he has a history of being remarkable. McCown doesn’t.

We need look no further than Randy Moss to see that a player can be literally reborn as his former self. Does that mean I miss Moss? No. He would have always been a liability on our team. He is a creep, and therefore a great fit for Bill Belichick. But there’s no denying he has been reborn as his former self. Returning health, coupled with a change of scenery, can work wonders in the NFL.

Let’s take a brief trip down Culpepper’s memory lane. In his last full season as a starter in 2004, Culpepper had his best of several magnificent seasons—39 touchdowns and a rating of 110.9. In 2005, after losing Moss as his go-to receiver, Culpepper got off to a rough start, and then got injured. But he wasn’t alone. The whole Vikings organization was in a tailspin. The head coach was scalping tickets and the Love Boat washed ashore. Then Culpepper went to an equally dysfunctional organization, Nick Saban’s Miami Dolphins, where he was never really healthy in the first place.

Meantime, after the 2005 season in Oakland, I thought that Josh McCown would have been a good choice to compete for the starting job with Andrew Walter. I also thought the same of Jon Kitna. This was at a point when we’d hit a wall with Kerry Collins, the free agent market was thin, and folks were pretty bullish on Andrew Walter, including the Raiders organization, which passed on Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler in the draft, presumably because they thought Andrew Walter had serious potential. This was also when McCown had just stepped off Denny Green’s maniacal QB merry-go-round—and before he failed to beat Jon Kitna for the job in Detroit last year.

I held out hope for McCown when he joined the Raiders—not that I had much choice, considering that Culpepper wasn’t in the picture until early August and Russell remained unsigned. Now, however, I’m concerned that the flashes of excellence McCown showed in Arizona were just that: flashes. I’m concerned that a QB rating of around 75.0 is simply his median and his destiny—not bad, but far from great.

Ben Roethlisberger was widely considered to have had a poor season last year. His rating for the 2006 season? It was 75.4.

Does this mean that I dislike McCown? No. Does this mean that I joined the chorus of boos on opening day? No. Does this mean I can’t root for him? No.

All it means is that I think Daunte Culpepper is equally capable of a maintaining QB rating of 75.0—and possibly much more, because he’s done it before. McCown hasn’t. Additionally, I have to say that, from my vantage, Culpepper brought intangibles to our offense last Sunday. He just seemed more decisive and accurate. I don’t really see it in the stats, but I saw it with my eyes.

So I submit to you that sticking with Culpepper would be an exercise in minimal risk with significantly more potential upside. Those are odds that I can live with. Let's put a rest to the QB indecision. We’re literally a few yards wide of being in sole possession of first place in the AFC West. Let’s not give up on the promised land, and let’s firmly get behind the guy who is most likely to take us there.

93 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

RT rests his case.

And I, as one member of the 12 million man jury, vote in favor of Culpepper. Judge Kiffin is to take our virdict here today and decide what punishment to dish out to the defendant. A 2-4 years benching might be in order.

Psycho

12:16 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Cole Pepper has a 85 rating so far this year already....so that's higher than McClown's right off the start....and NO "TO"s...

We now have the #2 Rushing "O" in the NFL....it will get better if we also have a "Consistant" passing attack....and the word there is "Consistant"....that's where McClown lacks ability....he has NEVER been "Consistant".....Cole Pepper has....

What I look for....

The Raiders are a Run First "O" which sets up the Passing Game....once the passing game gets established the "D" will have to play deeper to prevent the big play between the 20's....now the Running game will work even better between the 20's.....

Inside the 20 we have to be very eficiant....and very creative....and I saw that in the preseason when Cole Pepper was rushed and he thru the "TD" pass to Curry....that showed great comunication between the two players.....Curry was also a "QB" in college....

Also inside the 20 we need to get the ball to our big "WR"s and "TE"s high and away from the smaller "DB"s....and I saw Cole Pepper was able to do that also....

I look to see an "O" that is un-Stopabe this Sunday and even better the week after the Bye....and Cole Pepper is the one that will deliver that to us....

PantyRaider.....GreatExpectations!!!!

12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm In" with Culpepper

McCown's career QB ratings that RT listed speak for themselves...a very average career.

I will support McCown based on the fact that he shows "fire in his belly" to win and he wears the Silver & Black. Unfortunatly, that's not translating into wins.

I like Culpepper as our starter for the same reasons that most of you have stated. I believe he gives us the best chance to win on Sunday (because we have no Monday Night games...bummer)

My only concern is his career fumbling problem and health. I also like his leadership skills.

azraider

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more thing regarding Culpepper. I have been impressed with his accuracy. He should have had a few more completions vs the Brown's if not for the Williams drops (rightfully so or not).

When DC has missed, it hasn't been by much, unlike Josh.

azraider63

1:32 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Looks like we've reached blogger unanimity.

I would expect that Culpepper would start this week under any circumstances. I would be totally perplexed if he didn't start after the bye week. Hell, Russell might be ready by then. I wouldn't expect to see Russell on the field, though, unless the Raiders are clearly out of playoff contention.

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BR

I agree that we won't see Russell this year unless....(I don't want to jinx us with downward spiral talk)

I have to admit that I was not a big fan of Vince Young when he came out. I thought his QB skill set would not translate into the NFL..and I was DEAD wrong.

The reason I bring this up is because I believe that Russell has (IMHO) better tallent/potential than Young. Therefore, I believe if he see the field sooner than later, he will be able to deliver us what we want...wins.

Keeping in mind he won't be perfect.

But for now...we need Daunte

azraider63

1:55 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

azraider:

Agreed. With Young, it's that he just has that calm presence and quiet leadership with reasonable enough talent to back it up.

Russell, according to Kiffin, has that same kind of leadership quality with the kind of arm and accuracy to make your jaw drop.

2:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, this is just one big Minty Fresh - Agreement Fest.

I'd be overwhelmed with positive vibes if H and Gary give us their take.

Where is Bama when you need him?

Just kidding Bama

azraider63

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is exactly what I have been screaming about all year since the first game. I could not believe he did not get the start against Detriot. Culpepper may throw three picks in a game, just like Mcnown can, but he also may throw three touchdowns in the same game, which Mcnown will not. He gives you hope. I had so much hope for this year, not waiting until Jamarcus was ready, but actually hope for a possible 8-8 season. With our early schedule and the problems I thought KC and Denver may face. When Mcnown started I honestly had to make myself cheer. I like him as a person but he is not a starting QB. He has never been and will not be. I will honestly believe all year long, no matter what happens from this point on we would now be 2-1 or maybe even 3-0 with Culpepper playing. Not that he won't make mistakes but he has the ability to make plays. 9-10 QBs in the league could be more effecient than Mcnown just throwing the 5 yard outs and swing passes. Our offense has been designed to make him effective, to play to his strengths just like it should be. It still did not make him a good starting QB. He is a back up. Duante is a starter. I don't take a lot of stock in what the press say, but I do listen to former players, and everyone said from week 1 he should be the starter. Our guys will rally around him. So will our fans. Don't make this about next year and the future. There is still hope for this year. I know we are rebuilding but it is a long time until Jamarcus is ready to go. Give us a chance to cheer this year.

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to break up the minty fresh vibe or anything. But since Young's name was brought up.

Comparing how I felt about Young coming out to how I felt about Russell coming out. I get a very similar sense of "This guy can win games". But I must admit that I think I felt a little stronger about Young's potential at the time.

Probably because he single-handedly beat the top college team on pure heart, leadership, decision making, and athleticism. Russell seems to have everything as well, just maybe not as much in some areas. Plus that arm though. The arm makes up for anything else I suppose.

Psycho

2:30 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

As McCown wasn't at practice today, it's very likely that Culpepper is slated to start. There is a possibility, I hope you all realize, that McCown starting the first three games was part of an overall season strategy.

I'm not saying that McCown was supposed to lose, but I am suggesting that he presents a certain look that Kiffin wanted the NFL to get used to for the first four weeks. After the bye, he brings in Culpepper for an entirely different look.

If you think that doesn't make sense, consider that in 1981 the Dallas Cowgirls showed up in their turf shoes without even checking to see that (then) Candlestick Park had replace its turf with grass.

There is such a thing as a season strategy. Remember Gruden used to devide the season up into four mini, four game season.

Kiffin impresses me has somebody who uses the rules, the schedule, the personnel, etc., to win.

2:41 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I hate to agree for the sake of riding this Cupepper wave, but I must. Stats aside, I believe Culpepper brings an intangible (how to win games) that McCown simply hasn’t been exposed to... hence the telling QB ratings RT presented. Btw, well done RT, as usual.

As far as comparing Young to Russell, they do have similar traits (size, strong arm, etc), but I would have to give the edge to Young for mobility. Dude can stand in the pocket, throw from out of the pocket or take off down field. Don’t get me wrong, I have high hopes and expectations of Russell (as we all do), but Young is in there now, and he looks like the real deal.

2:51 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Maybe we should all hold hands in a circle and sing the minty music Kumbaya?

2:58 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Young-vs-Russel

Now that's an interesting subject...as most of you will agree if Young had fallen to the #7 pick he would have been a Raider and ArtShell's "O" with NO-Moss-n-Portster's Attitude would have distroyed his Psychy....

Fortuneate for Young he was taken at #2 and we will never know what we could have had....and now fortunate for us we were able to draft "JRus" this season with a new leader and new attitude under CoachKiffen....

So my point is....They are who I thought they were....and I campayned for them both and I'm happy we got one of them....so I will not loose sleep over who is best....I will just look forward to week #8 when we play against Young and hope Cole Pepper has the team playing like "RollingThunder"....

I will though compair the two "QB"s who we did not want....just look now at MattLianart....are we happy we don't have his lazy ass....and Jay-Betray....his inconsistancy is killing the Donko's and I love it....

PantyRaider...Cole Pepper-n-Jamar da Rustler!!!!

3:25 PM  
Anonymous H said...

I'd like to offer a dissenting voice. I'd like to, but I can't.

Al Davis said Culpepper had some things that reminded him of Plunkett. If he's correct it could be a wild ride if he starts the rest of the season.

McCowan is a gamer. But, as Dirty Harry said, "A mans got to know his limitations." I think he has the talent to be a solid backup. However, there are at least 32 more talented quarterbacks in the NFL right now. And, Rex Grossman is not in that group. Possibly McCowan should have gone to Chicago.

Take's take on Moss is dead on. He is not a team player. Never has been, never will be. He's only happy now because he's getting the ball and the New England press loves him, for now.

Culpepper is a team player. He showed it Sunday right before McCowan threw the TD to Curry. He and Kiffin were smiling and noddng. Probably about the play that was just called.

Russell has as much upside as Young. I watch a lot of SEC football and he performed great against some of the best defenses in the country.

My two cents.

H

5:07 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Okay, RT, Everybody, with me:

Somebody's throwin' my Lord, Kumbaya,
Somebody's scorin' my Lord, Kumbaya,
Must be Daunte my Lord, Kumbaya,
Oh, Lord, Kumbaya.

5:09 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Fish for supper, Kumbaya....
Haten Mediots, Just screw Ya!
Dooms Day Profits, We fool Ya!
Raiders Winning, Kumbaya-ya...ya-ya-ya...

PantyRaider...SinginWithYa!!!!

6:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8688780373223685880&q=Thailand&total=45673&start=60&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

PantyRaider...JustLaughinBaby!!!!

6:19 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-
8688780373223685880&q=Thailand&total=45673&start
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6:21 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, I have joined your global drum circle. Fresh sushi from Florida is on the menu, we'll wash it down with Thai beer and a Coliseum dog, followed by a mouthful of Altoids.

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Unanimous from me... something rare from Raider fans, but I have yet to see anyone favor McCown over Culp... well except Kiffin. It's the only thing I have seen him criticized for. I truly wonder what he saw in him? Kinda scares me in a way.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

With you to a point...
Outside of the 3rd down toss to Porter I thought that everything Culpepper did vs browns McCown could have done if healthy.

What I hope to see is a DC with the rust off and a full week of practice. He could be what we hope.
Intangible -
Does the fact that you threw for xxxx yds, 30 some tds and went to the probowl several times count in the huddle? I would think yes.

bspn has a whole segment on griese taking over for grosssman. I guess the qb change for the Raiders is not worth mentioning outside the ticker. Why would it be? With so many other qb changes... oh... and the fact that the bears records is ...oh...and greasys past record vs Culpeppers past record...oh....

8:17 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

RT: Sashimi & Singha Beer ... a wonderful combination. May I suggest some pineapple fried rice to make it a complete meal?

Cole Pepper to JLH on a 9 route for a 75 yard TD pass

Cole Pepper to Miller on a deep seam route for 40 yards

Cole Pepper to JP on a double move down the left sideline for six

Cole Pepper to Curry on a stop & go route down the right sideline for six

Cole Pepper to Madsen on a deep crossing route for 35 yards

Yeah, I'm liking the possibilities of a QB who can make all of the throws in the playbook with velocity & accuracy. In essence it is a preview of the Russell era.

9:08 PM  
Blogger Doobie said...

Not only does Culpepper bring more playmaking ability to the equation, but it also allows Kiffin to open up the offense.

Although they've had success so far with the running game, I think part of the reason they've run the ball so much is because of the lack of a passing game...especially deep. McCown's been a poor man's Gannon, but without the field leadership and the ability to make the tough throws. So that essentially makes him a rich man's Rick Mirer.

Let's open this offense up. Frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing of run, run, run, run, 3yd pass, run, run, incomplete pass, run, run, run, run, 12 yd pass, etc.

Stretching the offense, Kumbaya...

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Culpepper's the man. No way Josh McCown should be playing in front of a former pro-bowler. Dante is ready to revive his career and we finally have the semblance of a running game to help out. The line is obviously better suited to Cable/Kiffen's scheme.
Ouch that hurt... being positive. Now about that unproductive OLB, dearth at DE and awful FS...

3:50 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Way to go Bama I knew you could do it. Now, let's all gather 'round the campfire boys, open up some cold ones (I have extras for Psycho, we must stay in character) and repeat our mantra, "The Autumn Wind is a pirate...".

Then, return with us now to the thrilling days of yesteryear when the fish cringed everytime they saw us on their schedule. WITH A HEARTY HI HO SILVER AND BLACK, THE RAIDERS RIDE AGAIN.

H

4:50 AM  
Anonymous Holy Roller said...

I woke up this morning to hear KC sports talk radio announce that DC was going to start on Sunday. That was followed by the comment, "Guess it's time to take the Raiders seriously again". What a great way to start the day!

I'd like to see Culpepper put up about 35 points on the fish. If you think Jordan is running good now, think how many yards he'll be able to pick up with the DB's playing back,fearing the deep ball. Tose in a little play action and you've got a winning offense. Minty fresh!

5:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I less sober man might think it's too early in the morning to start drinkin'. But I suppose I have a hangover to kill. And since I woke up a little buzzed still, technically I'm not "starting" early.

Psycho

6:54 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

i want culpepper.

but, as nyraider pointed out earlier, barry simms cannot block jason taylor.

so yeah, i want culpepper, but i want him to survive the game too.

the most important person on sunday will be tom cable.
he needs to figure out a scheme to get taylor blocked.

if he does, the raiders should snap their road woes on sunday, and culpepper will have a big game.

7:16 AM  
Blogger Raider Freak said...

Can someone tell me why Mcturnover is getting treated like Elway or Favre. If one of those guys are hurt and say, " I am hurt but if I can go I will.", it makes sense. They are better at 70% than anyone else who could take their spot. I love Kiff and he has made unimaginable strides already with this team but he keeps saying, "we will see where Josh is at and make our decision." Kiff and Josh both act like it is important that he plays, like he is a superstar QB. Yet the better QB should have started right from the first game even when Mcturnover was healthy. I think in 2 years Kiff has us competing with the best in the conference for an AFC title but lets stop this stupid game, give Culpepper the starting snaps in practice every week and see where he can take us this year. The team, fans, and opponents will react different to Culpepper. He has that ability to lead teammates, make a coach look good even on a broken play, and make defenses back off because of his arm. Lets get this thing going. We already gave away 2 games just to prove Mcturnover is a backup, we cannot dig ourselves any more of a hole. Lets get rolling Culpepper.

7:18 AM  
Anonymous Holy Roller said...

Isn't Jason Taylor coming off of a mild concussion? Hopefully, that should be enough to slow him down some. Still, better prepare like he's 100% and then see what happens.

7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
The way to beat Jason Taylor is to run the ball right at him. All those speedy DE's are best handled by running effectively right at them... and throwing after you've done that. Don't let 'em get in a "I know your passing and I'm just flying around the end unconcerned about the run" mentality. Don't play into their hand. Have to be able to run the football/
As others have commented, Barry Simms cannot beat Taylor, but Barry Simms and Lamont Jordan can beat Taylor. Play action pass once the run is working.
I am still unconvinced about Jordan, but he's done better. If he goes down to Miami and runs straight ahead, hard and has a great game, well maybe he's what we thought he was three years ago.
And Raider realist nailed it, why is McCown being treated like some established, efficient QB?
Culpepper please!!!

7:34 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H:

If we're going back to the thrilling days of yesteryear, no time like the present to bring up the 1974 playoff game between the Raiders and the fish. Far and away the most exciting game ever played.

9:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just about to write "The way to beat Jason Taylor is to run the ball" but I see Bama7 beat me to it.

Even before the Taylor/Sims issue was brought up I felt like we would run early & run often against one of the worst run D's in the NFL. Our O-line better bring their lunch pails Sunday and get ready to open up holes.

Is it just me or have we fumbled the ball on the first play of every game for the last 5 years? Seems that way. We should start every game with a run up the gut from here on out. And when we play a significant game like the Donks or Colts we run a play-action and throw deep on the first play. Of coarse, it might just be a fumble.

Psycho

9:18 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

My guess as to how they'll handle Taylor...

Whatever side Taylor lines up on will be the side that Miller lines up on. With one exception (as stated earlier) - when the Raiders are going to run it right down his throat. You are really going to see Taylor complaining about cut blocking in this game.

Which leads us to the next obvious point. Since the donkeys have abandoned cut blocking for a power blocking scheme, and the Raiders are now using a cut blocking scheme, they will make cut blocking illegal in 2008.

10:13 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Psycho,

You didn't just wake up. You never went to bed. You just don't remember. I know. It's been a while but I've been there done that. I haven't been that stupid
since 73 in Thailand.

Holy Roller,

That would be Zach Thomas with the concussion. He is day to day at the moment.

Blandarocked,

That was just the game I was thinking about. Also, as resident historian you can confirm for me. The year the Fish went 17-0, didn't the streak end in Oakland on opening day the following season?

As for Jason Taylor. On passing downs we utilize Griffith to help Sims or put Miller in an H-Back position or strong to Taylor's side. Miller is blocking like a mad man.

As of now I list my top three off season moves by the Raiders as follows:

3. Zach Miller
2. Justin Griffith
1. Tom Cable

Culpepper hasn't had a chance to prove his worth yet, but those three have. Kiffin will need a few more wins before I will put him on the list.

H

10:18 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

You are correct, H. The Raiders dumped the fins win streak and knocked them out of their third straight Super Bowl in the same season.

Also, if memory serves, the great Tom Flores was undefeated as an HC against the great Don Shula. But that came later.

For those of you who still can't get over the fact that we passed on Leinart, PFT reports that Weisenhunt is going to start benching Leinart late in games where the birds are trailing. Seems that Leinart can't master the quickness and the formations required for come from behind wins.

10:34 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

PFT is also reporting that the word around the NFL is that Reggie Bush is way over rated.

It's looking more and more that the biggest NFL pick up out of USC is Kiffin, and not a player. It looks like USC is a champion because of their coaching and professional schemes.

I'll stick to my prediction that Sarkisian will wind up as the Dolt's head coach in 2008.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Blandarocked,

I've got your back:

Passer Rating:
Leinhart - 62.6
McCowan - 75.2

Completion Percent:
Leinhart - 54.1%
McCowan - 64.7

TD/Int Ratio
Leinhart - 2/3
McCowan - 4/5

Leinhart may eventually turn it around, but as of now he's stinking it up.

H

11:08 AM  
Blogger Storminator said...

Raiders beat the fins in week 2 of 1973, to end the streak at 18 games.

Awesome site of historical references...

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories?OpenView&Start=1&ExpandView

PS

11:17 AM  
Blogger Storminator said...

?OpenView&Start=1&ExpandView

Tack that on the end of that last URL

PS

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't Leinart with Paris Hilton too? He's probably infecting the entire Ariz. lockerroom with herpes as we speak. We dodged a bullet!

Psycho

12:41 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Hasn't everybody been with Paris Hilton?

1:40 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Prediction...

Because Kiffin works so fast, they way I see things progressing is that if we beat the fins, after the bye Kiffin will have added a bunch of new wrinkles.

We are going to run the hell out of the ball against the fins to the extent that the league will accept that as the new Raider personality and teams will do all that they can to stop the Raiders from running. Then, after the bye, Kiffin will break out the air attack. I think that's why he was delaying starting Culpepper.

This is the first coach since Gruden who is capable of designing, and carrying out, an overall strategy for the entire season.

2:09 PM  
Anonymous H said...

I haven't been with Paris Hilton.

2:13 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Blandarocked,

There may be something to your opinion. The passing game usually takes a little longer to install.

Running is a little more basic. Plus, running the ball well makes pass protection easier. Especially if you have been making first downs on third and three, or third and four by running the ball.

We've done that a few times in the last two games.

H

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I slept in a Hilton a few times. $150 per night with nothing to show for it.

Slight correction to the 1973 Raiders vs Dolphins game that ended the Fish win streak...the game was played at UC Berkeley. Raiders 12, Fish 7.

azraider63

2:36 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Blanda-
The '74 game was the "Sea of Hands" was it not? I have a photo of the catch autographed by Clarence Davis framed downstairs in my Radier Nation.

Also, you present an interesting scenario with the strategy switch from run to pass. I hope he is as smart as Gruden. So far so good. I also hope he is not as stubborn or arrogant as Gruden. Remember the championship game vs the ravins? I remeber gruden saying, "We have the best run offense they have the best run defense. We'll see who's better."

Had he switched things up and passed more early who knows. Of course if dorsett could have covered horse face.....

4:20 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

DepthChart:

"JRus" is finally listed as the 3rd "QB" with Walter....but now what we need is to have McClown droped down the chart and Cole Pepper moved up....

After the BYE we should see RB Bush added to the Chart and that will give us an explosive game against the Jolts week #6.....

First we have to take care of the Fish....who give up huge yardage to the run...start to establish a consistant Passing Game....and go into the the bye at 2-2....and lookin up....

After the Bye our real season will start....

Jolts
Squaws
Titans
Texans

If we can come out of that at 5-3 we will be well on our way and all the Mediots will be talking about our great "Turn Around"....but now we are being shunned big time....I wonder why....last year they were talking but now they don't talk....could it be because they see something and are in fear....

The Power-o-da-Dark Side is on the rise....
The foolishness of Haters is their demise...
Thru thick-o-thin our team shall rise....
And again-n-again reclaim our prize...

PantyRaider...RaiderPride!!!!

4:21 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

memdf:

Right you are. I wish I could have been at that game. I was going to SFSU at the time, and I remember watching it in my apartment on a 12" black and white TV.

I stood through the whole game. I was too excited to sit down. The only thing that would take me out of the room was to refill my coffee cup. Right after the game, I think I walked over to Pasqualli's and got myself a large sausage and mushroom pizza.

5:06 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

memdf:

I remember it wasn't just Dorsett, it was also Pope. Neither of our safeties knew how to take the correct angle to the receiver.

Then, of course, FatAss throwing his fat ass on our QB didn't help.

5:11 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlandaRocked

There was NO penalty for that Belly-Flop on our QB....it was open season on our QB but every other Qb is protechted....what would have happened if a Raider Floped on their QB....

Ejection

PantyRaider....Un-Level-Field!!!!

5:19 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Last time the Raiders played in Miami, the fish made Oakland wear their home (black) jerseys because it was scorching hot (like 90 degrees but closer to 100 on the field).

The early forecast for Sunday’s game is mid to upper 80's, humid and chance of T-storms. Also, a UV index of 9 (very high). Basically, similar conditions which existed last time. Wonder which jerseys we’ll be wearing? Doh!

5:21 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Yes, similar conditions. But, Culpepper grew up there. He's a South Florida guy, and so is Sapp.

They will know how to tell them to prepare for the conditions. If they start hydrating properly on Saturday, and possibly fly in on Friday, they should be OK.

I grew up in that kind of climate. It's all about fluid intake. Early and often.

H

6:32 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Personally I wouldn't be disappointed at all if the Raiders wore their black jerseys each & every game. There is something about those black jerseys ... it gives me wings.

For all the stats freaks (like myself), I posted a summary of the Raiders O,D,ST stats thru 3 games on my blog:
http://silverandblackforever.blogspot.com

I try not to let the stats be the end all for how I feel about the team but for the most part, the numbers don't lie or at the very least, show trends and indicators of strengths & weaknesses.

The Offense:
*Obviously running the ball VERY effectively
* Unit has been good at sustaining drives (3rd down coversion %, TOP).
*Passing attack is dink & dunk at best (which will spike upwards with Culpepper under center)
* Turning the ball over too much

The Defense:
Each positional group is failing in various ways:

DLine >>> limited sacks/pressure

LBs >>> need to support run D better

Secondary >>> allowing opponents to complete too high a % of passes for too much YPA. Limited turnovers created (1)

ST:
Kickoffs/Punts have been outstanding (touchbacks, inside 20)

KR, KRC, PR, PRC all areas that need drastic improvements

FG % >>> 5 for 9 isn't getting it done although SeaBass made amends with a 4 for 4 performance vs. Brownies.

9:44 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

CalicoJack:

I am a Stat-Freek but with an (*)....

I look at the weakness in our "D" this year and supplement the info with the "O"s we have faced this year....

Lyons #3 "O"....#1 Pass...#29 Rush
Donko's #6 "O"..#8 Pass...#8 Rush
Doggies #9 "O"..#11 Pass..#12 Rush

This week we play against the Fish #14 "O"..#7 Pass..#27 Rush

Our "O" has played agaist this group....

Lyons #30 "D"....#31 Pass..#23 Rush
Donko's #3 "D"...#1 Pass...#29 Rush
Doggies #31 "D"..#24 Pass..#31 Rush

And this week's Fish #20 "D"...#7 Pass...#29 Rush...

And it's a fact that 1/3 the stats are because they played against us...but this info shows us alot...

As our "O" looks so much better running the ball but it's against the weakest "D"s in the NFL....our passing looks terrible against 1 strong and 2 weak "D"s....

And our Pass "D" looks terible against the strongist 1/3 of the NFL....and our Rush "D" has faced the #'s 8-12-29 Rushing teams...

PantyRaider....NeedsImprovement!!!!

10:26 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Turns out, the Raiders WILL be in their black (home) jerseys against Miami.

While it's no secret in the NFL that Dallas prefers their white (road) jerseys (which they wear at home games), it is also known (albeit to a lesser degree) that the Raiders prefer their black jerseys.

As we know the fish are not trying to be accommodating, it's simply a matter of the heat and hoping the Raiders wear down late in the game (plus, it's worked before).

I agree with Calico, there's something about the black jerseys that inspires the fans and the team. After all, it's silver and black, not silver and white. Unless the weather is truly a factor (and marginal at best), they're actually doing us a favor.

My guess is it will be their defense spending extra time on the field. LJ left, LJ right, LJ up the middle.

6:13 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Unless the Jerseys are made of wool it shouldn't be that much difference. The black will retain some heat, but the material is more importatnt than the color. With all that equipment on both sides will be affected.

If the fish arrange for the misting fans in the bench area to break down, then there could be a major problem.

Gatoraid, Gatoraid, Gatoraid.

H

6:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We're going to control the clock anyway. Our D should be able to save it for the end as long as our run game shows up like it should. And the O can go at their own pace to keep fresh. We'll be fine.

I hope Jordan runs over Porter early to shut him up. We should run right at him.

Psycho

7:25 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Well, Calico. I guess you've put your finger on the primary difference between us. I don't look too much at stats other than how they look comparatively at the end of the season.

I think that's because the Raiders were the team upon which I learned the game of football, and it was always the old school Raider way to forget the stats as long as you won. That, in part, is something the Raiders used to use to their advantage. Teams would look at their stats coming in and take them lightly. The Raiders would come in, lose the battle of the stats again, and win again.

But it is a different game now. However, I'd still suggest that the importance of stats has increased proportionate to player salaries.

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
FG % >>> 5 for 9 isn't getting it done although SeaBass made amends with a 4 for 4 performance vs. Brownies.
>>>


This is a time where stats are deceiving. Three of the misses were 50 plus and nobody else in the league has even attempted more than two. He's an acceptable 5 for 6 from 49 and in.

He did say he SHOULD be making these long kicks because that is what he was brought in for... his problem is his accuracy from long distance. I bet by the end of his career he will have the longest kick in NFL football. Just a matter of time...

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Raider_ Rick said...

Here's another one from memory lane:

1984 Raiders 45 Fish 34 If i remember correctly Mike Haynes had an 80 yard int td return off Marino that broke the game open. Great game!

We have a 7 game losing streak to these bastards! it's pathetic! And there's even Joey Porter running his big freaking mouth and guaranteeing a fish victory! are you kidding me!!

Let's beat their ass to a pulp!

Silver and Black Attack!!!

Raideeerssss!!

10:41 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I've been thinking about this since yesterday. My prediction:

Raiders 31 to 21.

Play action will be the big producer of the day.

11:20 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Prior to that Monday night Game with Miami when Hostetler got benched and VinceYoung played out the game....also conected to MarcusAllan crying on MNF....DonShula never beat an AlDavis Team....that was his first and only vicyory in the regular season against the Raider....after that things have turned around....that game was some time in the 90's....Shell's last year I think....

"Tag-n-Release".....Tag'em in the head with a bat and release them in the cooler.....Fish Meat.....

PantyRaider..Cole Pepper's SlaughterHouse!!!

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Raider_Rick said...

Panty,

Good memory, but that particular game you are referring to took place on a Sunday, back in 94


Art Shell and Hoss got into a sidelines argument, and Art benched Hoss and put Vince Evans in.

Raiders lost by 3 that day.

But our sweet revenge came in 2000.

You guys remember the 27-0 ass beating we gave them in the playoffs.

Good times indeed.

2:27 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I think that game cost ArtShell his job with the team....NO coach was allowed to loose to the Fish and we had the lead in that game until the Melt-Down....I remember how happy Shula was after the game....he could not stop smiling after all the times he lost to the Raiders....

PantyRaider....LongTimeAgo!!!!

2:35 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Interesting point you make, Raider Rick. It prompts me to realize that we haven't been this deep at QB in... Hell, we've never been this deep in QBs.

We've had better QBs (maybe), but we've never had as many decent QBs all at the same time.

Somebody correct me if you think I'm overlooking something.

2:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Nobody should take offense at the "maybe" I inserted in there. I put it in because Blanda didn't do his best work for us, we got him at the end of his career. I don't think Lamonica was really any better than Culpepper (maybe not as good), and Plunkett made up for his entire NFL career in the last five years of it he played for us. The book is still open for all of our QBs, but all of them seem to have a decent future ahead of them in the NFL.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to change the subject but.... I'm an east coast Raider fan my whole life and will finally be going to the next chefs game in oakland for my 27th B-Day....but still need tix... where should i buy...where should i look for to sit... is it worth the extra 40-50 bucks to be on the field level.... i read and enjoy all of your comments daily and thought "hey it doesn't hurt to ask" plus i feel i already know all of you...thanks

raiderhip

2:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Reading some of the "Crap" comments from the Fish players it appears that they have it in for Culpepper...."Bad Blood"....so let's hope the protection is good...their "D" is saying he is still limping around so they may plan to come after him....

PantyRaider....CulpepperProtection!!!

2:51 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Hey, RaiderHip, that's awesome.

Field level is cool, but not necessary in my opinion. My tix are in the second tier but in the third row close to the railing. I like having the elevated vantage on the game play but still being relatively close to the action.

Another cool spot is the first level lower rows (say, 1 through 15) in the end zone opposite the Black Hole. When the action is at that end, it's pretty close and exciting. The Black Hole is cool, too, you just have to be ready for more of a mosh pit atmosphere.

Finally, be careful if buying field level tix behind the Raiders bench. The very lower rows can have obscured views because Warren Sapp will be standing in your way.

3:10 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Whenever I've been to the HOT since the Raiders have been back, it's always been in the cheap seets. After having sat in season seats down in LA, I can tell you that there is no seat at the HOT that is inferior to any in the LA Colosus. If you have a pair of binoculars, you're always good to go, and usually you don't need them. Welcome to the bay area Raiderhip.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey thanks alot Take and B-Rocked, appreciate it! seriously can not wait....so take are you talkin' you're in the 100's or 200's....looks like there is 2 sections of 100's

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry kinda new writin'

raiderhip

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Raider_Rick said...

Good stuff Blanda Rocked,

The Raiders went with a sort of a two QB rotation in the early to mid 80's.

Tom Flores used to alternate Plunkett and Wilson often. Depending on who got hurt that week. I guess it worked out. In 1983 Wilson started and won a couple of games.

3:51 PM  
Blogger RaiderMike said...

Hey Raider bretheren, I've been chosen to represent RaiderNation in the New York Metro are this Sun at 10:15 am est on the NFL Now show with Mike Francessa and Phil Simms on WFAN in New York. NYRaider- I know you will be listening. Hope anyone who is in an earshot will be tuning in.

5:05 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Cool! Do us proud, RaiderMike.

5:11 PM  
Blogger RaiderMike said...

I wont let you down.

5:13 PM  
Blogger RaiderMike said...

I almost forgot-West coast can tune in on WFAN.com!

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

raiderhip, there should be tickets availible for the game through the Raiders, 1-800-RAIDERS or WWW.raiders.com. I sit in the upper deck, 300's, about 7 rows up pretty much on the gaol line on the raiders sideline side. The seats in my opinion are very good. You can see the entire field, 45 bucks each. I have sat all over the stadium and these are my favorites. If you want awesome seats and do not mind paying a little more, go for sections 214 to 220. I would stay away from the visitor side of the stadium, the sun is right in your face. Not that it is hot, but it beats down on you. Get to the Stadium early and walk through the parking lot, you will have a great time. The tailgating is hands down the best I have witnessed. Oh yeah and Bring a Camera.

5:16 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Repredicting:

Raiders 16 to 14.

5:27 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

RaiderMike, that's awesome, go get 'em.

RaiderHip, I'm in the 200s, third row. As Blanda Rocked said, there aren't many bad seats, but I'd avoid the high 200s, 300s and Mt. Davis. If you're coming all the way out, might as well splurge on some seats that are closer to the action.

For some tailgate video, check out RaiderNationPodcast.com. Raider Greg has some good stuff there.

5:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

BR: I liked your 1st prediction better. Don't get wishy, washy on us now BR. With Pepper on the trigger, I expect a BIG day for our offense. How does 31 to 17 sound? Also, we might be different in how we view stats but we are identical twins when it comes to the ONLY thing that matters ... "W's"!

RaiderHip: I will be at the Chefs game. I got my tickets from StubHub.com. Paid twice the face value but I only go to 1 or 2 games a season. I love sections 116 & 118, rows 21 and up. Row 21 is above the walkway, 1st row of the railing. 116 & 118 are near the players tunnel around the 40 yard line. I paid $144 per ticket. Awesome seats. If you are in the "neigborhood", drop by 116, row 21. I will be wearing a #89 Curry jersey with my 11 year old nephew with his #99 Sapp jersey.

6:10 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

RaiderMike-
That’s cool. I will tune in for sure.

RaiderHip-
Not sure what pro sports games you’ve ever attended, but you are in for the time of your life. I’m already starting to plan my trip for next season. I was there opening day in 2002 (we spanked the sea hags). Definitely go early for tailgating. These guys can tell you better than I can about where else to go (the night before), but I thought Ricky’s was really cool (NFL shop next door).

It’s one thing to see the Raiders on the road, where there are always plenty of Raider Fans, but it’s totally insane going to a Raiders’ home game. I’ve never been to another stadium where the visiting team fans don’t wear their colors. It’s a sea of silver and black. Enjoy!

6:36 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

CB 27 F. Washington/ 26 S. Routt
are listed together as the starters and 35 J. Bowie as back-up....so that's something new....

DT 90 T. Sands/ 61 G. Warren are listed together as starters now....

So did the back-up become better or did the starter become weaker...now they share the position....

PantyRaider...."D" Questions!!!!

10:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

faidas WILL lose this game by 17 points, the girl-boy coach will cry again, but this time it will be because he loses early game! 1-15 Just Lose Baby, keep defending the "nation" "culpumper" will make like chum in Miami.

11:29 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hey, faida boy can count. His 0-16 prediction just went to 1-15. Next week it will be 2-14, and in a couple weeks it will be 3-13.... Keep up the good work faida.

6:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Funny story: Belicheat and the Patsies are getting sued for $184 million by a Jets fan class-action.

6:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raiderhip--

I too am going to make it to Oakland for the Chiefs game. I got my tickets at www.raiders.com. I went to the section where season ticket holders can sell their tickets.

The last Raider game I went to was Dec 7, 1981, Monday night against the Steelers. I was 13 years old. I kept the ticket stub because the Raiders were rumored to be moving to LA. I have it in my hand right now. The seat cost $20. Things have really changed!!

I got seats in sec 126 row 28. Are those any good?

JanFran

8:23 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Ok, guys we got what we wanted albeit by injury. McCowan is listed as "OUT". He won't even dress. I assume it will be Walter two and Russell three.

27-13 is my prediction. Jordan has his third straight 100+ game. I figure 120-130. Raiders rushing around 160-180. Also an improvement in the Red Zone with Culpepper's accuracy and size.

Look for a game plan to get more pressure on Green. Kelly, Warren and Sapp getting the bulk of the snaps on passing downs.

Be on alert. Joey Porter is running his mouth. To make his prediction stand up I wouldn't put it past him to take a cheap shot on Culpepper if the opportunity presents itself. Probably go after the knees.

Blandarocked,

I agree about stats, wins is the big one. But I do look at two in particular to guage improvement for this year. Time of Possession and Turnover Margin. Currently we are -2 in Turnover margin. Not great but better than last year. Major improvement in Time of Possession. We are number 5 in the league.

We need to continue the Time of Possession. Then turn around the Turn Over Margin by protecting the ball better on offense, and get a few funble recoveries to go with our interceptions. If we do that, playoffs is not out of the question.

A win today, then a bye week to ready for an imploding Dolts team. I'll cross my fingers and have the Rabbi light a few candles for us.

H

8:48 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico:

I stand by both predictions, but it depends on Kiffin. If I'm correct about Kiffin's season strategy, he won't show too much of Culpepper's arm. He'll spend most of his time running the football. Hence 16-14.

However, if he decides to go right with what I believe had planned for Culpepper in week six, he'll play action deep enough to run up a score. Hence 31-21.

9:02 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlandaRocked:

16-14 or 31-21....does that mean that if Culpepper opens it up there will be a "TO" to give the Fish another "TD".....why not 31-14.....

The Fish have kept the games close but lost...but this week they do not keep it close....we run the ball down their throats play after play and Strike Deep-n-Quick when they play up to try to stop the run....4-"TD"s -w- 2 "FG"s....34pts...

The "D" will force 2 "Int"s and score a "TD" on one...7pts....

Their "O" will play from behind all day and score 1 "TD" -n- 3 "FG"s.....16pts....

Final score....Raiders 41-n-Fish 16...

PantyRaider....GoneFishing!!!!

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks everyone for all your input...I just gotta wait a little while longer to get the tix...but you all have made it a 100x's easier...I'm really getting exited now...can hardly wait 3 weeks! AHHH!

raiderhip

2:45 PM  

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