Monday, September 10, 2007

Five Postgame Takes

1. It’s a start. We were one missed tackle away from getting the ball back with a lead and five minutes left to burn. We proved a lot of things on Sunday—that we can score touchdowns, that we can move the chains in a variety ways, that we can mount a comeback, and even that we can throw the long ball (when we try). Welcome back to the 21st century.

2. McCown connected on 15 of 20 pass attempts for 140 yards and no interceptions in first half amid a hail of boos and chanting for Daunte Culpepper. I guess that’s what a 75 percent completion rate will get you in Oakland these days.

Compared to last year’s offense, the coaching, playcalling and execution were like the difference between junior high school and Harvard law school, so I can’t complain too much. But we failed to attempt one crucial thing: the long ball.

Only one of McCown’s first-half completions was for more than 15 yards, inclusive of yards after the catch (the exception being a 17-yard completion). None of the incompletions occurred downfield, either. In other words, we didn’t once try to throw the ball long in the first half, even though we’d set the table perfectly.

So while we earned 10 first downs during the half, we didn’t chew up sufficient yardage before the third-down percentages caught up with us. The result was Sebastian (Scholarship) Janikowski kicking off of the dirt, not once, not twice but three times—for zero points.

It wasn’t until the middle of the third quarter that we threw downfield, and with a magnificent result in a 42-yard completion to Curry that ignited the stadium and set up the first touchdown. From that point forward, however, we didn’t attempt another long ball. In other words, we waited too long to try it, and when it worked, we didn’t try again.

It’s hard to say whether or not this was solely a playcalling issue, or if McCown himself was choosing to play it safe as well. But something that needed to happen didn’t happen, and we paid a stiff price. With everything happening underneath, the Lions could just lay in wait with minimal threat of the big play that we proved we could execute.

3. Not that I’m saying I would have chosen (or that I would still choose) McCown over Culpepper. But until late in the game—after the chanting for Daunte Culpepper had subsided, and before he was pressed into urgent action by our defense—McCown proved to be quite capable. If the defense and Janikowski had done their jobs, McCown’s performance would have been good for enough a victory.

I literally saw Roy Williams angle across our end zone unabated and unattended prior to catching his touchdown pass. That’s just one example of many defensive breakdowns yesterday.

4. They say that KSFO’s postgame radio show is broadcast from Everett & Jones BBQ, but it might as well be coming from the Kremlin. Rich Walcoff, George Atkinson and David Humm have been afflicted with a terminal case of homer-itis. They invite callers to vent, then they shut them down with variations on two stock responses: “Have you ever played the game?” or “What the fan doesn’t understand is…”

It’s not a sports talk show. It’s a shameless exercise in propaganda and mind control. The low point yesterday came when a kid called to vent about Janikowski. He was asked how old he was and if he was a kicker himself, then mocked with a little ditty about “calling back when he grows up" and lectured about how hard it is to kick off the dirt. Funny, the Lions’ Jason Hanson didn’t have any trouble kicking off the dirt. Jason Hanson didn’t have any kickoffs imitate a banana. Jason Hanson didn’t suck last year like Janikowski (who was dead last in field goal percentage among kickers who attempted more than 10 kicks). Yet a 13-year-old kid gets slapped in the face for stating the obvious. Nice.

They had Kirk Morrisson on the show, and while I love Kirk Morrisson, he came down with a bad case of KSFO postgame syndrome, repeatedly stating that "Well, if we'd won this game, then we wouldn't be talking about all this." Yes, and if Metallica played with harmonicas and mandolins, we wouldn't call them heavy metal.

Here are the KSFO postgame ground rules: You can't talk about what just happened before your very eyes. You can't analyze the coaching or the performance, nor can you have an opinion. But other than that, it's wide open—as long as you've played the game.

5. We are a functional football team once again. Last year started off on a hopeless note. Yesterday, however, I felt hopeful. Big difference. I know that there is a lot of anger and frustration out there, and I share it. But we are pointed up, not down, and that's worth something .

210 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh sure RT, as soon as I posted on the game you make your new Take. :)
Blanda did it, so I had to do it this time.

Psycho

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To quote Al Davis; "The QB must go down, and he must go down hard!"

That didn't happen much on Sunday. We need to get more pressure on the QB, especially on key downs. Blitz if you have to and stop being so conservative.

Aside from that, and other stuff already pointed out, I still feel like we're in pretty good shape. Lots of positives. The good news is there are not a lot of teams out there who pose match-up problems to us the way the Lions do. Most of the time we'll be able to play our base D, man-man with our best players on the field.

The Lions were kind of an anomaly. They got us playing zone with a bunch of backup CBs running around confused. I have no doubt our D will recover and play like they normally do. And obviously our O is going to at least do SOMETHING, so we'll be alright. Denver must pay for what has happened.

Psycho

8:00 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

My takes...

I'd release Janakowski today, and pick up anybody with a pulse on the waiver wire. What the hell does Janokowski do with his off season. It certainly isn't spent working on his craft.

I usually get the PC version of Madden football, and I've noticed the game is precient. In my Madden football game Jano only hits around 58%.

The special teams did not put in a good showing.

McCown isn't the guy. As Sapp says, you can find stats to show anything. The only thing that counts is how many points you put up on the board, and how many points you keep the other side from getting. Anything else is just a conversation starter. McCown is not a playmaker, and he can't get this team into the endzone. We need Culpepper.

I was looking for the good news in this game, but I keep getting hung up on the fact that the only team that played worse than the Lions in 2006 was the Raiders - and the Lions beat us by 15 points in the first game of 2007.

There was a sideline catch by Curry early in the game for a first down. It was ruled that Curry stepped out of bounds before posession. That's not what I saw. Kiffin should have called a replay.

Curry, the TEs, and Griff were the only consistant receivers.

We have a very long way to go. Long enough so that my prediction of 7 - 10 wins this season is reduced to 3 - 5.

There was improvement, but only in that the Raiders seem to opperate more like a pro team instead of high school team, but not a very good pro team.

On the bright side, I saw a lot of problems with the donkeys in their game against the Bills. All the same, we'll be 0 - 2 after next week.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leaving the field so short does not help either, I wish now that they would have punted or gone for it on 4th. down, rather than tried the 3 field goals, god only knows!
I guess next week will be a great indication for us to know wether it's going to be a long or short season!

Down field is good!
Our defense needs to put more pressure on the qb and the secondary needs to play like Fabian Washington did on that battered down pass against Johnson.

Offense: B
Defense: C-
Special teams punting: B
Special teams kicking: F--

Coaching

Offense: A-
Defense: D+
Special teams: D+

raiderdecoachella

8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a fire in the Raiders during the 3rd quarter that I don't ever remember seeing before. Say what you want about McCown but he was pretty inspiring after that 1st TD. Was it enough? No. But I think they will take this loss as a slap in the face by a team that created unique match-up problems. From what I see the character of this team will allow us to have a pretty good season dispite an early loss to notoriously bad (but now good) team.

Re: Jano, I was pretty pissed at the time. But one was blocked by the best FG blocking team in the league. And only one was a blatant miss that should've been made.

It may not be too early to throw in Daunte, but I think it's too early to cut Jano and assume the season will be a failure, just another 4-12 suck-fest. We're going to be fine. We're going to win.

Psycho

8:46 AM  
Anonymous gary said...

I agree a lot with RT here... I saw lotsa improvements on O... the D looked too over confident, and the playcalling on both sides of the ball was too conservative for my taste.

The ST's are still a burden for like the 20th straight year... maybe just a slight improvement there.

I want to see how this team and coaching staff reacts next week before giving up on 7 or more wins.

Sounds like JR will sign today... maybe Al saw enough of McCown to know we need help?

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That left a bad taste in my mouth; what I saw was a team who can still find multiple ways to lose a game against one of the worst teams in the league.

The offense definitely looks better than last for whatever that's worth. I still think we should have played Daunte.

Our D seems to be a bit overrated.

If we don't win this week it could get ugly quick...if we don't win in two weeks, well I won't even get into that now.

Roy

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Schefter says the Russell talks went well and they're meeting this morning to hammer it out. They want to get him into the Wednesday practice. Watch the headlines!

Psycho

9:11 AM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

"I'd release Janakowski today, and pick up anybody with a pulse on the waiver wire."

BR, I'm disappointed too, but after watching the kicking situation here in Dallas over the last couple of years let me assure you of one thing: The pool isn't deep and even the "big dollar kickers" can let you down.

9:25 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Adding to my previous...

The only spark I saw all day from the Raiders was in the 3rd quarter. That means they played one good quarter of football in their first game of the season. Don't get me wrong. That's a deffinate improvement. In the entire 2006 season, I thought we played maybe four good quarters of football. If they just stay on this pace, we'll get 16 good quarters of football this year.

It seems to me that there is still an underlying attitude on this team that all the difference comes from a new coach and playbook. It doesn't actually come from players playing better and more emotional football. At some point they're going to have to realize that it's on them.

9:48 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Bottom line is there was improvement. I don’t understand the 57 yard attempt off the dirt after he had missed from 46. Hopefully Kiffin will learn from that.

As for Janikowski, I recall him being better under Gruden. The worked on slowing down his approach. Would someone get this information to Kiffin and tell him to look at the tapes. Also, build a dirt infield at the practice facility for him. If it’s the dirt then let him practice on it. To me that’s a no brainer.

I’ll have to check the tape, but on a play before one of the field goal attempts, I remember Miller being wide open for a probable touchdown, but McCowan was locked in on the wide out and didn’t check down properly.

Miller did drop one, but he and Masden were open over the middle several times over the middle. McCowan became a little fixated with his first option. But, like I said, it’s from memory and I will have to check the tape.

Having said that, three trips into the red zone – three touchdowns. Curry is working on All-Pro.

H

9:54 AM  
Anonymous Holy Roller said...

I saw nothing positive yesterday. Losing to the Lions is unacceptable. I'm sick of this crap! I'm glad to hear that the crow was chanting Dante's name (the volume was turned down at the bar I was at). Culpepper should be our starter. If he had been yesterday, we'd all be slapping each other five and talking about what a great season we're going to have. But no, we decided to stay with the status quo, bad decisions. So what if the Donks struggled yesterday. They still found a way to win and if we show up with another pathetic display like that again, ole ferret face won't have to look very hard to find a way to beat us. The only thing I liked about yesterday was the Chefs game. At least the Chefs are worse than us. The town of KC is officially on suicide watch.

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Psycho said, "I saw a fire in the Raiders during the 3rd quarter that I don't ever remember seeing before." I agree Psycho, too bad we didn't show up the previous 2 quarters, nor the 4th.
I'm pretty bent about the loss, and am not happy with it. McCown started forcing throws, which I think is the difference between he and Culpepper; because we couldn't stop the Lions defensively. I don't think Culpepper forces throws the way he did. That cost us just as much as the defense.
BTW, thanks for the zone, no blitz defense Ryan. Now get your head out of your ass and start running the defense.
The good news, the way the Doncos played yesterday we should wind up 1-1 next week, but after yesterday, I'm not hanging my hat on that.

10:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny what thefreakingpole just said about kicking, because my idea is cut Jano and sign Mike Vanderjagt. Rumor has it he's thinking about signing on with the CFL. But too many points over the last few years have been left off the board. On the brightside, if Jano does have a mental thing about kicking off the dirt, the A's season is fast approaching being over.

I know it's probably already been mentioned (I haven't had a chance to read all the comments in the previous post) but I have to think had Kiffin just made a decision regarding the QB after the final preseason game and given him the majority of the snaps with the first team our offense would have clicked sooner. And I don't care who he decided to pick. I was fine with McCown. And a little disappointed in the crowd who were chanting for Duante.

I wasn't at the game; can someone tell me if Porter was being consistently double-teamed? I only remember one play he was part of. If he wasn't being doubled, seems like he's continued from the preseason of being a ghost.

I have to admit to being a bit disappointed overall in the Raiders, just doing enough to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Hopefully that changes starting next week against the Broncos. Should be a tough trial for the boys in silver and black. Though they have problems, their running game looks stout... as usual.

(toni, who can't for some reason post under my "identity")

10:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Good takes RT. The KSFO thing is an insult to the fans and the team.

I agree with Psycho that the Lions present match-up problems for the Raiders D that other teams will try to duplicate, but simply won’t have the personnel. We struggled last year in zone coverages. Remember too, our D started out slow last year.

Regarding the conservative playcalling, Kiffin seem to imply in his post-game press conference that McCown was checking down his receivers and the Lions forced him into taking what was available, i.e., short passes. However, it seemed to me that he focuses too much on his primary target and is unable to check down. He looks lost in the pocket, but does well on the move, something I believe Calico Jack pointed in a previous post.

I’m not ready to throw in the towel just yet. This is a savvy coaching staff and the players believe in them. Let’s try and remember where we’re coming from. This game showed lots of promise on offense and the defense will be fine. Like RT said, we were perhaps one tackle away from sitting on the ball with the lead late in the 4th qtr. Not much consolation, but I believe we lost one we should have won, and we will win some we should lose....

10:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The KSFO philosophy has always been, "agree with us or don't bother calling in," so the Raiders' current post-game show, I guess, falls right in line.

When 1050 was the Raiders' station, things were kind of interesting in that a lot of fans called in and displayed just how knowledgable Raider fans are. But they shut that down and stopped giving Raider fans a voice.

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
My rant:
1. Improvement, yes (how could we not after last year's staff?) but still awful. It was the Lions at home. Should always be a win. I'm embarrassed.
2. McCown, while he did okay, is not a starter that generates optimism in your team. He is not a guy that lifts the play of other's. He's not an NFL starter.
3. I knew it but didn't want to be negative: our pass defense success last year had a whole lot more to do with the fact that people didn't have to throw on us, rather than any dominance on our part. When opposing teams need to score, they do.
4. Moss gets off. Salt in our wounds.
5. I've said it before and will say it again: Jano was an absolute horrific 1st round mistake. He is painfully average. Please cut him just to give a us a FRESH look. Out with the losers and in with new faces for crying out loud. Oh, was the worthless turd kicking from the dirt? Boo-hoo. It never seems to hurt the other team's kickers.
6. Jano Part 2: Mr Shawn Alexander who unbelievably went after jano in the draft, had another great game. I'll never get over this.
7. Mr Sam Williams. Broken record time... Sam had less production as the other linebackers. What's freakin new? Morrison nine tackles, Howard five, Williams... three. He is so disgustingly unproductive, yet a starter for life with us. We don't even bother to bring in real competition for him. here Sam, you have the job foever... just put the uniform on and don't worry about ever doing anything in the game. really, Al just likes you, go enjoy yourself every game.
8. Fargus. I hate this guy. Has no business in the nfl much less year in and year out getting carries for us. What was wrong with Echinobe or whatever his name is? New coach, same cast of shitty players. Williams, fargas, Sebatian the Fat, et al. Will we ever cut these clowns?
9. And cut grove too. Was manhandled by the Lions DT. I think the verdict is in on this guy. Grove was a bust. Three years later and he's still here, meanwhile my boy Moses gets a 30 day tryout and a $600,000 check. Go figure.
10. And back to the biggest goat of all: the pass defense. Can we stop all the badass talk about Washington and namdi now? Average at best. While we're at it let's admit something... every year we think that we have the best talent in the nfl, we just haven't tapped it and we always say THIS year will be the year. BS. We need to look hard at our roster and realize that there's not a lot of talent on it. And to make matters worst here we sit on this year's draft with the #1 not in camp, a #3 cut, #4 unable to play and #5 cut. That's an "F".
Oh well, we still have the amazing John Bowie for Moss to show for things. Whoopeee f*&^ing do!!!

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Sam Williams
I'll have to confirm this. But I suspect that he just wasn't in there a whole lot to put up numbers. They had to be in dime & nickel most of the game, and he would be the odd man out in most of those situations since Morrison & Howard are better.

Psycho

12:03 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7:

Thank you, Bama7, for showing exactly how Raider fans are supposed to feel after a loss. But, while I was very disappointed in the team effort, I don't agree with you on a few points.

While I didn't agree that we should draft Jano in the fist round (because I felt that Nedney was good for us - and he proved it in the clutch against KC), I was still okay with it because of how good Jano was in college. Jano is a hindsight complaint, but we still need to replace him.

As for Williams, he's not going to be in on as many plays as Morrison or Howard because he's the first LB pulled from any game. He's not a coverage LB. On any passing down, he comes out. Morrison is in the game for almost every snap, so his stats are going to be way up there, and Howard is usually still in when we go to the big nickle or the straight nickle. So whenever you compare Williams against the other two, you have to take that into consideration.

My major complaint was that we went through the whole first half looking like we were attempting to perform a dance for the first time. We got attitude somewhere in the middle of the 3rd Quarter and poured it on. But as soon as we took the lead, we went back to trying to learn the dance steps again.

I also don't have any problem with our DBs. And I think they'll come around. My problem is that they never unleashed any kind of a pass rush, and when you're dealing with Kitna you have to get in his face. The book on Kitna is that he is extremely talented, but he can't deal with extreme pressure. He never got the pressure, so we got the full force of the talent.

12:08 PM  
Blogger x said...

RT,

Your posts echo my thoughts exactly, especially your words about the lame KSFO crew. I love the Raiders, but those homers totally sicken me. I stopped listening to them .

I wonder if Donovan Darius would've missed that critical tackle on McDonald? In my view, Hiram Eugene and Chris Johnson both were a mystery in making this team as they pretty much got burned repeatedly in pre-season games.

Janikowski has cost us games and playoff berths in the past and he's not improving with age. Hopefully, he's a lesson for all Raider staff in the future to NEVER DRAFT A KICKER IN THE FIRST ROUND. Did he actually miss-hit the first miss, or was it blocked, as the TV crew stated?

The Raiders played a pretty clean, sound game penalty-wise. That's a bright spot, but maybe Sims should hold a little if it means our QBs blind side is safer.

And please, NO MORE 3-MAN RUSHES! The go-ahead Detroit TD was ridiculous. Kitna had a minute to throw. I'm not as high on Coach Ryan as others are because of things like that. There was a general lack of pressure today against a mediocre QB. Why didn't he adjust and throw in some blitzes?

I'm afraid Bama is right about Grove. He gets pushed around a heck of a lot. Washington needs to also prove to me that he was worthy of a #1 pick.

In summary though, losing to the Lions at home is not good. And remember, while Jerry Porter and Mike Williams get shut down, that the Raiders had a chance to draft Roy Williams a few years ago and Calvin Johnson this year.

12:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

X-
If we drafted Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson, we'd be the Lions. I not trying to defend what turned out to be a weak draft, but I still think we picked right at #1... we just can't get him signed.

As far as penalties, they were a problem. Gallery was caught illegally downfield on two pass plays. Who does that?

12:25 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Echemandu was on the inactive list yesterday. As far as I know he wasn't hurt.


Did you guys see Tom Brady calling Moss a role model for the Pats receivers? Yeah, he's a role model alright. How a player can half-ass it and quit on one team and nobody says anything about it when he plays well for another. Now that's a role model.

All the media outlets are saying that JRuss will sign soon, sometime this week even. Whoop dee doo. The plan I envisioned was him coming into camp, learning the system, and then starting next year with Bush in the backfield. Then in next year's draft we could look on solidfying the O line. Now it looks like we're back to square one and we'll need a bunch of DBs as well as linemen, and don't forget that DT.

I get the feeling from some of the posts here and around the Raider Nation that Russell has made his task that much tougher. Now instead of coming in with the benefit of the doubt of the fans, he's going to have to earn even that much. A lot of the anger over yesterday's loss could carry over to him especially if he struggles, as most rookie QBs do.

12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm officially sticking my neck out. I may end up paying for this having to eat crow.

I believe we will beat the Donkos this week.

I'll admit. About 2:00 from the half I had my doubts about this team. After such a great offseason how could they lay an egg? McCown was putting up numbers but we couldn't score, and all 3 phases were basically getting beat.

I'll tell you what though, they showed heart (and not just for one quarter). They fought back. We were a few plays (or a few less turnovers) away at the end. Kiffin showed the poise of a veteran. Now I look around and see a bunch of fans down on them because we lost the first game on a lonnnnng road back to respectability.

What happened to "I'm In"?

Heart does not equal productivity. We were productive for only one quarter. But I saw a team play with heart for 4 quarters. You need proof? Look at Morrison & Curry. So I feel like we'll bounce back strong, play OUR game instead of this zone D crap, and take out our frustrations of the Donkos without a doubt.
I'm Still In.

Psycho

12:32 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

nyraider:

Unfortunately linemen getting flagged for being illegally down field on a pass is common for OL learning the cut blocking system for the first time. I'm actually surprised we didn't see more of it in the preseason. The problem is that sometime you have to chase those guys you're going to cut, and you follow them into the defensive backfield.

12:32 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Psycho:

I'm still in. But I'll be more in after next week if your prediction comes true. I want to see if they learn from this game and improve on what they've learned. That happened at no time last year. In fact, last year, we seemed to hold onto mistakes like they were mana from heaven.

But I did see, except for the defense, a team that was adjusting on the fly.

The Raiders just didn't seem fully prepared for this game, almost as if they were overlooking it. I sincerely hope that Kiffin did not look past this game for Denver. Division wins are certainly the most urgent things for us this year, but there are 10 other games I'd like to see the team ready to play.

12:41 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

We're still in, Psycho. I'll never jump ship, but I am tired of swallowing sea water every time the good ship Raiders goes down. Aren't you?

12:43 PM  
Anonymous H said...

As I said earlier, I was disappointed, but not discouraged. We are on the right track. Perhaps the defense took the Lions a little too lightly. I’m beginning to think Jano’s problems are mental. If that’s the case we don’t need him, and I was one of his biggest defenders in the earlier debate.

As hard as it will be, I’m going to look at the tape of the game again tonight. There’s something nagging at me about his kicking and McCowan’s check downs.

H

12:46 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

h:

The good news is that this year we HAVE check downs. I thought that McCown took far too long to go through them. He kind of has Walteritis. He holds the ball way too long, and then winds up hitting the RB standing on the line of scrimage anyway.

12:55 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Okay, now here's a winner from PFT.

"Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that several veteran NFL players, including some Raiders, have told quarterback JaMarcus Russell that he will lose respect in the locker room if he caves to the contract demands of owner Al Davis."

Such a rumor, uttered with complete and total foolishness, could only have come from Mortensen and ESPN. Nobody else is that breathtakingly stupid.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blanda/NY

I suppose our opinions are not too far appart then. I agree that they didn't look fully prepared, and yes I hate the taste of salt water.

One big part of it (literally) was that bastard Rogers pushing Grove around with Newberry hurt. That allowed too much pressure on our QB having to contain him. By the way I thought McCown did a great job checking down. He beat many blitzes. Newberry getting hurt, we were not prepared for.

Our secondary wasn't fully prepared to play Dime Zones. They had to have known Martz was going 4WR most of the game. Sh*t, even I was saying Martz would exploit this. Plus Starks was out so it was that much worse.

I guess my main point though is there is no reason to panic yet, or even get too pissed. Besides, it's counter productive to have the fans turn on them when they're just getting this Kiffin thing rolling. There is no doubt in my mind they'll get better & better every week. It's going to be ugly for a while and we just have to ride it out.

Psycho

1:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To clarify the check down thing. When they blitzed & McCown was in immediate pressure, he checked down without hesitation and very well executed.

On the other hand I understand the criticism. He gets tunnel vision out there. He throws down field in tight coverage with guys closer to the 1st down mark (short) who would obviously catch it.

Psycho

2:31 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Psycho-
There were a couple or three screen passes in blitzing situations that really impressed me. I think about the playcalling and overall scheme we saw yesterday and reflect on last year.... there's no resemblance. We all have to be patient and let Kiffin run with this a while.

On the defensive side of the ball, we relied way too much on our coverage, sometimes pass-rushing with only three lineman. That’s a glorified prevent defense which, as we all know, is useless (and that’s an understatement). Robby needs to take a page out of Buddy’s handbook and blitz more. Kitna was way too comfortable in the pocket.

My view really hasn’t changed as a result of yesterday. This isn’t going to happen overnight, and maybe not in a single season. I’m in!

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We would've been better off running a base 4-3 man to man than that BS. Make them play to our strenghts. I would be OK with the safeties and corners one on one with the 4 WRs if it means actual pressure on the QB. It's a risk but at least we have our best guys out there. Rushing 4 & blitzing 1 or 2 LB's once in a while, with the remaining LB's playing zones in hot spots, or in certain situations leaving a safety in Cover 1 (based on offensive formations). All that BS passing was in these areas close to the 1st down markers where a zone LB would be roaming.

Instead, we had #31, #26, & #37 running around like chickens with their heads cut off and our whole D was thrown out of whack as a result. If you hit that QB enough they'll start taking those WRs out for more protection!

Oh I forgot, I'm being positive right now. I'm IN!

Psycho

3:43 PM  
Blogger x said...

To clarify, while the Raiders didn't play a totally clean game penaltywise, 50 yards worth of penalties is definitely an improvement.

And I don't care if you have 8 DBs named Willie Brown back there in coverage. If you rush 3 guys and give the QB all day to throw, you'll get burned again and again.

Pressure on the passer is the key to good pass defense! Period. Ryan should know better.

4:15 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Zone defenses just aren't Raider football. I've always viewed zones as like saying, "don't hurt me too bad." Zones are okay if you're trying to keep the game in front of the defense in order to make the other team use the clock. But we were never in that position.

I've had a problem with Ryan going with soft defense way too often since he's been here, except for last year. Last year we discovered our Defensive front four could put up some healthy pressure. So what does Ryan do this year? He starts going with 3 man fronts.

4:26 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

So next week we face Cutler. Cutler is a sophemore and not all that experienced. We should pressure the hell out him to get him to make mistakes. We'll see if we do.

4:28 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

So here we are with the Everett story from the Broncos/Bills game. The word is that he's likely paralyzed for life. However, there is one thing that you will never hear even hinted at even once. That there is a "criminal element" in Denver.

However, it won't be too awfully long before they claim, again, that Tatum crippled Stingley intentionally. It will likely come up in this context. "This just shows how dangerous the game can be. It's not like when Tatum cut down Darryl Stingley."

4:42 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

The Everett incident is heartbreaking. I was watching the game and saw it happen. Didn't seem like an overly violent hit, but you just never know on special teams. It's definately the dark side of the game. My step father was paralyzed from the nipple line down, Everett's whole life is going to change. Completely. Hopefully he'll have use of his arms, it makes it so much easier.

I woulnd't wish it on my worst enemy.

:-(

And though I was disappointed with the Raiders and certianly the outcome, I'm in!

5:11 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Toni:

I should have also said that whenever something like this happens it's a shame. And Everett is going to require an awful lot of support from his family, his friends, his team, and the fans.

But I think nearly all team sports offer the danger of death or disfigurement. I've seen permanent brain damage in baseball and heartfailure in basetball. For that matter, drownings in water polo. And don't forget, Christopher Reeve (Superman) went down in a game of polo.

It's always tough, and it's never pretty. Everett has my prayers.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Yes, terrible about the Bill's player. My prayers are with him and his family.
Blanda, way back at the top post you said you thought Nedney was good enough before Jano... agree. When Nedney beat the chiefs it really turned us around. He should have been awarded the permanent job for that one game alone. If I remember correctly it knocked the Chiefs out of the playoffs and we finished 8-8. The start of the Gruden run on the playoffs.
Screw Jano- cut him today. Make a statement.
And I don't see why Culpepper isn't starting. Culpepper would give us a stronger aura. We'd be more respected and have a better chance of winning at Denver. I'm sorry, I just don't see McCown wininng at Denver.
Burgess was double teamed the whole game and still not much happening on the opposite side. When will we have a compliment over there. Clemons is a really good OLB/DE type. I suppose he can't play there on all downs huh?

5:30 PM  
Anonymous H said...

The Everett incident is a tragedy. Any kind of spinal injury is pure misery. Maybe he can have a miracle, and he should be in our thoughts and prayers.

I was going to review the tape of the game, but my VCR evidently malfunctioned. All I get is static on it. Next time I’ll record it directly to DVD. I still think Miller was open more than he was thrown to. I wish I knew why quarterbacks insist on forcing throws to covered receivers when the tight end can move the chains.

H

5:40 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

realist - that's what i said a couple weeks ago re: russell. once this guy signs, we have to wait TWO years for his services! next year will be his rookie year.

5:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon the Almighty Patsy Fan:

Where are you at??? No wonder he's been quiet today, check this out!

I just saw on NFL Total Access that the Pasties are under investigation my the NFL for a serious charge of CHEATING!

It's not even posted on NFL.com yet, I don't see it around to prove it yet. But apparently officials found a camera hidden on the Patsy sideline somewhere which they were apparently using to watch the Jets hand signals & things Sunday.

No wonder you won some games lately, freakin' cheaters!

They can reportedly be punished by heavy fines, suspensions, and even draft picks! Not to mention your "glorious dynasty" is forever tainted. Pending investigation of coarse (yeah right, we GOT you!).

Psycho

5:45 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

take - that was some serious homerism during the postgame. but you're just now realizing it? those guys have been like that for years. and that WAS pretty rude how they treated that kid, especially after their kicker made all 3 of his attempts.

this is what i am saying folks. these "legends", amy trask spin the company line. they talk out of their asses for al. jt the brick "used" to be impartial but now he works for the team so he pipes down on his strong comments.

i'm tired of people making excuses for janikowski. he's GOT TO GO! with that 9 points, it's still a winnable game. sloppy but winnable.

5:48 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Psycho, that's exactly what I'm talking about. When he wasn't pressured he tried to do something spectacular instead of keeping the chains moving. When it's not there he should go immediately to his second or third choice in his progression.

On one it looked like Miller could have easily made it inside the twenty if not a touchdown.

H

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Try this link for the PATRIOTS CHEATING.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/patriots/2007-09-10-nfl-investigation_N.htm

It's not working for me yet, there might be too many people reading it. It's also all over Vikeings blogs & stuff.

Psycho

5:59 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Kiffin stated McCown "is the starter" (for next week). He also compared McCown to operating a joystick in a video game, implying he made all the right reads and reacted to all the D formations exactly how he was supposed to. Yikes! I must have missed something.

6:32 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Read the ESPN article on the Patriots thing. According to league sources it's supposedly not the first time.

If that's so, screw draft picks and fines. Take games away from them. When Shanahan lied on his injury report to hide who his starting QB was going to be, they should have forfited the game.

If this is true, the Pats should forfit the game and all stats removed. And if coaches are involved they should be suspended for the entire season. That will put a stop to this crap.

When people tell me the Raiders cheated on the "Holy Roller" game, I tell them it's not cheating if they change the rule "after" you do it.

The article also mentioned "The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game".

If they win the Super Bowl, they will only look at losing draft picks as a cost of doing business.

Take two or three game from them this season and they'll stop in a heartbeat and so will everyone else.

Quick pet peeve: I'm watching the Mondy Night game and man I really don't like the three man booth and in game interviews. I want to see the game. Take the booth to two and get rid of sideline reporters.

A little long winded, but these things really bug me.

H

6:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Steve Corkran is reporting the Raiders and Russell have agreed "in principle" to a contract. The base amount is $31 million guaranteed. I found the link through profootballtalk.com.

6:42 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Scorpio, I'm with you, and I wrote about the KSFO problem back in 2005 with a couple of takes, one titled "Earth to George," in which I wrote, "I don't want to hear George Atkinson putting lipstick on a toad," and another about how, when I was actually at the postgame show at Everett & Jones, George called out "the fans" and a "fan" literally rose up from one of the tables and gave it right back, which was absolutely classic.

6:47 PM  
Anonymous roundrockraider said...

Miller was open a few times and not thrown to, but the bigger concern was the receivers we got down field that were open and not thrown to. McCown made some poor decisions on a few throws (not just the picks) by dumping it off to a receiver or back short of the first down, but otherwise he played a decent game, and it sounds like Kiffin is sticking with him for week 2 at least.

I'm in with the "I'd rather see Culpepper" crowd right now because the few balls that McCown threw deep looked soft. That 42 yard completion to Curry drew a collective gasp from the crowd when it was thrown because the thing just floated in the air and Curry was double covered. The fact that he was able to leap and make the catch is more a testament to Curry's skill than the arm of McCown.

Overall it was disappointing, mainly due to the soft defense and the special teams. As mad as I want to be at Janikowski, one of those kicks got blocked and one of them was a 57-yard desperation kick. I'm still scratching my head on that one- after going 0-fer on the first two kicks, it seems silly to put your kicker out there for a really tough to make one.

My head's not down though. Our defense underachieved, but we started slow last year. Our offense, while not perfect, at least gave me hope when they were in there that they could produce. Even when we were down 8 points at the end there was hope in the crowd that we could pull out a long drive to tie the game. The fumble, and then the fumble (someone needs to tell our rookie TE that you FALL on the ball) took the wind out of the sails.

We've got work to do, but I feel much better about that work than I did after the season opener last year. The fact that we made adjustments at half time already puts us ahead of last year's team.

The roar of the crowd when we went ahead 21-20 was worth the travel and tickets. I love my team, and I love the nation that supports it. They'll be honest when you are bad, and they'll let the team know when they are unhappy, but they won't fade away.

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations Raider fans. I thought for sure I would find some whining on this board about blaming the refs or blaming the NFL schedule makers about your team's loss to the lowly Lions. I am glad to see you taking your loss like men. I watched the Raiders/Lions game yesterday at a sports bar with my cousin and his Raider friends. It was fun seeing the Lions win since my cousin was already considering his team 1-0 heading into your game with Denver next weekend. Reality hit him and his friends like a ton of bricks when he realized the Raiders were still a bad football team. Yes, they actually look like a pro football team this year, but they look like a bad pro football team that is devoid of talent. This is going to be a long road back for you guys, I see your team as being a 2 to 3 year rebuilding project, and that is if Al lets Kiffin hang around for that long. If your team decides to play musical chairs again with the head coaching position, you will be right back to square one, and your team will still be cellar dwellers. Does Big Al have the patience? History says he does not.

6:59 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

RUSSELL SIGNS!!!!!
NO SHIT THIS TIME!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/
news/story?id=3013493

7:01 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

whoops, heh, heh. he agrees in principle and will sign tomorrow.

excuse my happy trigger finger :o)

7:02 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Anon 6:59

And I thought Patriot fan (that would be you) would come in here, acting like a chimpanzee at a cocktail party, throwing dung at the walls and making a mess of the appetizers. I guess we surprised each other, as your take is sensible enough.

7:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raidertake

I could be an obnoxious Patriots fan (and there are a ton, believe me I have been a long time season ticket holder) and brag about Lombardi's and division championships, but I feel no need to do that. The Patriots record and performance the past 7 years speaks for itself, they dont need me to brag about them. I could laugh at the Raiders for practically dumping Randy Moss into our laps, but I know, just like you do, that Randy plays only when he wants to play, and it is apparent that he wants to play for the Patriots. I expect Moss to have a pro bowl caliber year, because since this is a team that is going places, he will definitely be motivated. I just want to have football discussions. You may not like what I have to say some of the time, but I always speak the truth and I never hold back in my commentary. I call it like I see it. And the Raider fans I know have a hard time dealing with that.

7:23 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio:

Now that is great news....so we can put all that behind us and just enjoy the season....All we need now is for Culpepper to start against the Donkos and for the Raiders to trade Walter for whatever we can get....Atlanta....TampaBay....

PantyRaider....Relief!!!

7:43 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

My biggest problem with Patriots fans is that they seem to think the NFL didn't exist until 2001. There's a self-righteousness that I don't see in other team's fans, including Colts fans, who seem to have a bit more perspective on their place in the NFL world, past and present.

8:06 PM  
Anonymous roundrockraider said...

Hey anonymous Patriot fan-

You may feel that you are above being an "obnoxious Patriot fan" but your actions speak for themselves. Go back and read your posts from yesterday during the game and try and wrap your head around just what kind of a "fan" you are. Recent history may have been kind to your team, but we all know it comes and it goes.

I watched the game on Sunday near some members of Calvin Johnson's family, and one of the things I heard from a Raider fan next to them is an example of what a true fan is-

"I hope he plays well today, but I hope we win."

The fact that you are trolling a blog for a team that you won't even play this year is a pretty good indication of your mentality. That's just reinforced by the lack of real thoughtful discussion on this game of football that the rest of us enjoy and your reliance on juvenile insults.

Do us all a favor and go find a Patriot board where you can join in the back patting, while justifying the recent allegations of signal stealing as whining by the Jets. I'm sure you'll work in some delightful Red Sox/Yankees banter into the mix.

8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're finally gettin' it R.T., Just out of respect for a man who will admit that the faidas propaganda machine does exist, i;e. "ol' mushmouth atkinson" and the rest of that "tired" self patronizing post game crew shows me that you are an intelligent fan who is interested in a team and not a low life thugster image that too many of the faida fanatic base try to give a legitimate place in organized sports. I refer also to the likes of "artie the dwarf gigantinoooo", "jt the shizzle brick" etc., etc. It doesn't help to play that faida "nation" baloney either, it makes the true fans sound like a bunch of the booger eatin' morons that push the thugster, low life, gansta image that I am sure you and "X" and many other intelligent Raider fans DO NOT support or follow. The big al (MR.) davis is the "ultimate genius gift from god" image that many of your faida fanatics try to espouse doesn't do you any good, nor does the "jimmy the boy plunk", and "tommyboy mr flowers flores" MUST BE inducted into the H.o F. is a dead horse, you might take note that many Hall of famers your faida organization claims as raiders are indeed inducted as players from other teams, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Eric Dickerson, etc., etc. Where do you guys get off claiming these greats as faider Hall of Famers? I will try to give those of you insight from time to time as needed, you may hate me but TOO MANY faida fanatics are mouthing off against every other team and they need to be put in their place! Sorry but I still see it as 0-16, "miss kiffy" will be a no hit wonder why he evar got hired by the "genius"! Just keep believing, defend the "notion".

9:05 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

X,

you are totally correct man. those 3 man rush jobs are a complete waste of time, and a gift to any offense we face.

where does the caveman dream up this sh*t ? certainly not from his old man.
good old buddy used to bring everything, plus the kitchen sink up to the line, and after the Qb.

looks like caveman needs to make a call to his pop and get his head straightened out.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. The 49ers are tied 10 to 10 at half, they have made bonehead mistakes but for the most part they have shown improvement, Frank Gore is tearing the Cardinals apart single-leggedly, win or lose the 49ers will do it with clas. Did you see the actions of the beloved "black-bung-hole" Sunday? If my team had fans like that I would personally ask that the stadium and team management remove that eliment from the stadium for the safety of the normal fans and their families. Would you allow your children to act like that?

9:15 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

i think its safe to say we all wanted culpepper to start this game. i don't know if anyone mentioned it and i apologize if i repeat it but it could be that mccown is being showcased for a possible trade.

lets face it, it's better for russell to learn from his "dad", and what i mean by that is a QB with similar skills and build to learn from than mccown or even walter the next 2 years. but i think walter stays. i know he's not a WC QB but because he's under contract for a couple more years. so i say mccown is the one that goes. i think he has more trade value anyway.

9:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judging from Kiffin's Q & A, it appears he went with McCown because he has a greater command of the offense. Kiffin alluded to the Raiders always being in in proper alignment, not missing audibles, taking what the defense gave him etc. The point that missing here is that Dante makes plays and a stronger arm allows for smaller windows. When McCown was late with his throws it was to late. In the end he fumbled once and threw two interceptions when one of the major reasons he won the starting job was because of his ability in the pre-season to avoid turnovers. I think Kiffin is outsmarting himself here. You have a proven QB that knows how to win games and you go with that choice over the better game manager.
The feeling going in seemed to be, we have an effective defense, if we manage the game and don't turn it over we'll be in it. My feeling is the Raiders job on Sunday is to win games as opposed to trying not to lose them. The "D" didn't come with it's A game and the "O" didn't get behind the QB possesing the most GAME.
This week they're repeating the same mistake by starting McCown again. We may win in spite of it but... we could make it easier on ourselves.
FYI, Russell signed this evening and will be at practice Wednesday

11:58 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Dear JaMarcus Russel,

Welcome to the Raider Nation. You didn't sign when we wanted you to, you won't be ready when we had hoped, but you did do one thing that I think we all will appreciate for many years to come...you proved Peter King to be completely full of s*@!. Thanks again, and hurry up and start studying the playbook and game film. You've got a lot of catching up to do.

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Just ignore any non-Raider post. Don't read it. We'll all respond when the Patriots get knocked out again. Just like last year. The colt game last year was the best I watched. Brady can't get 'er done in Indy and the vauted Belechik D was shredded!
Welcome Russell. Sadly it looks like next offseason we'll need a RT, LT, C, WR, OLB & possibly a SS. This year is a final tryout for Porter, Jordan, Green, Simms, Williams & Schweigert.
These should in way be on our team next year: Grove, Fargas, Brayton & Jano.
I wish we'd bring Darius back and slide Huff into permanent FS.

4:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Last part should have said that Grove, Fargas, Brayton & Jano should in NO WAY be on our team next year.

4:18 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Ok, guys I was driving to work in my silver pickup with black trim having a hot cup of caffeine when I had a revelation.

Forget Robert Gallery being down field twice and forget the failure of Lamont Jordan in picking up the blitzes. Forget Russell agreeing to a contract. One of the topics of discussion was what our quarterback was doing when he had time to make his reads. There was even an insinuation that at times he took too much time and was fixated.

Do you realize what that means? At what point last year could we have complained about that? Believe me when I say this, the one thing I was worried about for Sunday was keeping McCowan upright. Say what you want, but Detroit has one of the best, if not the best, best pairs of defensive tackles in the league.

Even when Newberry was out the protection was decent. It had breakdowns, in the middle but overall it looked much improved. While still a work in progress, I’m encouraged.

The Gallery penalties are correctable, but I’m not sure about Jordan’s blocking. Gallery’s miscues came from being aggressive and not being used to having a quarterback who can get out of trouble. When McCowan took off Gallery figured he was running and went down field looking for someone to smack. The other penalty is easy to correct, “when the runner is down, stay off the dog pile”.

You know me, always looking for positives.

H

P. S. When your team gets caught up in a possible cheating scandal you generally have to come back with your hat in your hand as my grandfather would have said. Just putting things into proper perspective.

4:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Russell will likely be a Raider today and probably be at the Raiders practice Wed. He'll receive a two-week roster exemption, but ultimately the Raiders will probably only keep three QBs on the Roster. So, which QB is out?

McCown is Kiffin's boy, who compares Josh's quarterbacking to a video game joystick in his well-processed decision-making skills.

Culpepper is Al's boy, who compares him to Jim Plunkett in his transition years with the Raiders.

Walter seems like the obvious choice, however, his salary is a pultry half million. Walter is a bargain and he's under contract for the next couple years.

Anyone want to try and make this call?

Despite the bargain salary, Walter should be the odd man out.

If the Raiders wanted to save Culpepper's $3.2m salary, they needed to dump him before the 1st game. Plus, Culpepper seems to be an obvious mentor for Russell, who share many similar attributes.

At well under $3million, McCown's salary is reasonable for a quality backup.

Like Tui before him, Walter doesn't really fit the current system. Ironically, Tui is now a good fit with Kiffin and the new Raiders offense.

5:48 AM  
Anonymous Holy Roller said...

I like to comment further on the Everett tragedy. One, my heart goes out to him and his family. It's a shame something like this should happen for a game. Yes, I love the game of football but on the anniversary of this aweful day, I'm reminded that it is only a game. That being said, I think we're going to see a lot more tragedies like Everett. I saw several hits on Sunday where I said "I can't believe that guy got up from that".

Starting McCown = Losing

6:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

h-roller - Sucks for Everett. That goes way beyond football. Something like that happens and there are no 'teams' anymore, just a whole lot of people in shock. I know what you mean by having hard hits lately. Even Kitna took a shot by #31 that I thought would hurt him. Then you look around the league and people are dropping like flies. The Ravens & Giants especially are torn to shreds. We've been pretty lucky.

NY - A week ago I would've said Culpepper was the unlucky odd man out just based on the $3.2 mil but he looks safe for now. My vote is for Walter. The other guys simply give us the better chance to win, and we have the cap room to make it work.

Psycho

7:03 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Amen Roller.

I'm wearing my 9/11 tee shirt right now. I only wear it once a year. I also think of the guys I served with who have taken bullets or still have shrapnel in them or their names appear on black granite walls. And those who are still serving who give us the freedom to argue back and forth about games played by millionaires.

Sorry guys, deep down inside I’m just a sentimental old softie.

H

7:25 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Hey, Patriots Anonymous:

Holly shit, you sound almost reasonable. And you're absolutely right that Moss plays when he wants to. He "wanted" to play for the Raiders his first year here, and he grew the alligator arms later.

But I think you and the press might just be overrating his performance last Sunday just a bit. Nobody ever said that Moss didn't still have talent, and if you don't cover him, he'll burn you. So I'd offer the gentle reminder that the book on Moss for game one was that he had been injured the entire preseason, that the Pats were considering releasing him as a mistake, and his injury was beginning to be viewed as an excuse to sit out camp. It was also assumed that he would not see much playing time in the first game.

So the issue isn't how well Moss played. The issure is that the Jets were stupid for failing to prepare for him.

This won't happen now that he's out of the hat. Team will prepare double teams for him. Which means that Brady won't go his way as often, which means that Moss will begin to pout, which means that Moss will begin to sprout alligator arms, which means that...

You heard it here first, Ano.

8:33 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

nyraider:

I think they'll retain Walter. We only have McCown and Culpepper for a year each as they stand now. Since we have Walter for another couple of years, there's no hurry to decide with him, and we'll be looking for some trade value. I think the competition now is between McCown and Culpepper to determine who stays while Russell prepares next season.

I don't think McCown has won the starting job for the year, in fact Kiffin says he hasn't. Both will continue to audition for the starting spot in 2008.

I'd also remind you that we have an over abondance of DBs on the team. So my bet is that we keep four QBs, Russell will be at the games in street clothes, and we release Johnson.

8:44 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

From what I've read this morning about the deal agreed to by Russell, it appears to be virtually the same deal that the Raiders reportedly offered originally.

We're not likely to get confirmation of this. The Raiders don't comment, and Metz and company will spin it their way. And they have a lot of spinning to do, to explain why it is that their client was the longest NFL hold out ever for someone who was offered a contract for only one professional sport.

9:20 AM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Remember seeing McCown grab his throwing hand late in the game? Evidently he sprained his index finger:

NOTE: Kiffin said he won't issue any updates on injured center Jeremy Newberry and McCown's sprained index finger on his right (throwing) hand until Wednesday.

Possibility we might see Culpepper against Denver?

10:04 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If it's the same deal it always was from the Raiders' side, then doesn't everybody lose here--the Raiders, Russell and the fans?

If we are willing to pay $31 million NOW that Russell has missed camp, preseason and part of the regular season (which sets him back at least a half year in terms of development and basically ruins his chances for playing this year), haven't we essentially lost money on the deal?

In other words, if he's worth that much now, isn't he worth more if he gets into camp on time and is possibly prepared to take the reins of the offense sometime in 2007 instead of 2008?

Obviously, Russell loses--he loses the extra money he wanted, he loses some measure of fan goodwill, and he loses precious development time.

As for the fans, well, after four years of QB nightmares, we got treated to the longest holdout since Bo Jackson and now have to wait another full year or more for our QB of the future to take the field.

10:10 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

RT: We pretty much agree, with one difference. I think Russell is, currently, the biggest loser in this for the reasons you stated.

As for the Raiders and the fans, that depends on whether or not it is true that the Raiders evaluated Russell in camp OTAs and determined that he wouldn't be a starter this year anyway. In that case we'd be dealing with Culpepper and McCown anyway. Russell will still have the entire year to learn the system, and should have it down pat by training camp 2008.

It is true that he would have been more available for backup duty during the course of the season, but in terms of winning or losing I don't think we've lost anything.

It is true that Russell has lost the opportunity to prove that the evaluation was premature, but that was his choice.

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good points. Let's just hope Russell being a "loser" doesn't follow him onto the field. Otherwise we would all lose like a million times more than what we're talking about losing right now as a result of the holdout.

Psycho

11:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

There's also another way of looking at this. Because of Russell's holdout, the Raiders may have aquired "bust" insurance.

It's possible that we wouldn't have signed Culpepper if Russell had showed up on time. McCown and Culpepper will be working hard to show that each can run this team. I believe Culpepper has many good years left, and McCown is better than most people expected.

The Raiders will now have the entire season (albeit only in practice) to determine whether Russell is truly an NFL calibur QB (which we all hope he is). But if it turns out he's a bust, or he develops a bad attitude, or he becomes a heroin adict, we still have both Culpepper and McCown (and Walter for the time being).

11:16 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Here's the thing I don't get about the "Russell wouldn't have played this year anyway" contingent:

If Russell wasn't going to be ready to play this year after going through one full camp and preseason, how much more ready will he be next year with still just one camp and preseason under his belt?

Do the next three months of throwing to Chris McFoy on the second team or practice squad really offset all of the lost time and development to date?

11:34 AM  
Anonymous H said...

I agree with your last comment Take. But, now the ball is in Russell's court. How hard is he willing to work to catch up. That's the key.

H

11:40 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

RT:

It depends on whether you feel simply learning the system backward and forward is beneficial. We know Russell has the tools, and he wasn't going to get many reps with the first team during the season anyway. What is holding Culpepper behind McCown right now is McCown's better understanding of the system.

11:52 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Well, for that reason, I believed he could, and probably should, have played sometime this season (barring Culpepper absolutely lighting things up).

I just don't understand the "Russell wouldn't have played this year anyway because he wouldn't have been ready" crowd saying the holdout doesn't really hurt the team or Russell, when he missed many of the very things that were supposed to help him get ready for next year.

He needs a full year to develop + missing crucial development time = everything's cool and we're right on track? That's bad math.

12:01 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

RT-
I couldn't agree more. The loss in time should have substantial value. By virtue of the holdout, we effectively sign Russell to a six-year deal for five years of service, assuming his development can be substantially accelerated.

BR-
Based on the standard set by Kiffin which keeps Culpepper from starting (because clearly he’s the superior QB), how long will it be until Russell has the system down enough to earn Kiffin’s trust? You know, the “joystick” understanding of how to run the offense.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bama7
I don't undertsand the "Russell wasn't going to play this year" argument. With the QB's we have, he had as much chance to play as anyone had he been here since the start.

12:22 PM  
Anonymous H said...

I'm hearing conflicting information. I hear it's the same amount the Raiders were offering all along, and I've also heard it's the same numbers Russell's agents were asking for all along.

Here's my take. The numbers never changed. What buckets they came from did.

I personally don't care which side blinked. It's done. Now the onus in on Russell to catch up with the team and the fans.

The team has a two week roster exemption. We'll see who survives. Were it me I would definately keep Culpepper and McCowan. If Walter cleared waivers I would sign him to the practice squad. He probably wouldn't do it though.

H

12:37 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Look at it this way RT. I wanted to see JRuss out there as much as anyone. However, even if Russell had come in on time and been deemed ready to play, this is Year One of the new zone blocking scheme for the O line. That O line is basically the same unit that gave up 72 sacks last season. Let me say that again. That O line is basically the same unit that gave up 72 sacks last season.

They brought in McCown to be the test pilot. He runs the O to test out the playbook and to see just how well the line protects. Do you think the Raider braintrust wanted to put Russell out there without seeing if the line had improved first?

1:25 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

Looks like the chances of seeing Culpepper start this Sunday are greater now:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80242462&template=with-video&confirm=true

Evidently that finger they thought was sprained is actually cracked.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

If you go back to takes and posts on this site from within the past few months, I threw out similar numbers that was told to me by an "inside friend."
The holdout was never about the amount, but about how the guaranteed $ was to be paid out. They met in the middle on that. Davis wanted a large portion of the guaranteed $$ through performance, while his agents wanted it up front. Instead of either, he will receive $28 million in guaranteed money (to be paid out within a 3 year time frame, 9.3 million a year), plus performance guarantees that could add another $4 million to the $28; as well as performance guarantees that could make the contract worth $68 million by the time it is said and done.
What helped us is that we were only $15 million under the cap for this season. Take away 9.3 million this season, leaving us with $5.67 million to spread in performance bonuses for Burgess, Namdi, Sapp, and whomever else. It's a major victory for Al, and for JRuss' agents. Neither side looks greedy or bad.
The people who try and paint either side in a bad light, in my opinion, just doesn't understand contract negotiations.
I read on nfl.com that McCown cracked a finger bone, and couldn't grip a football yesterday; meaning that Culpepper could start against the Doncos. Good news all around!
GO RAIDERS!!!

1:40 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The way I see it is that the QBs job is two-fold (and that's the reason a QB takes the most time to develop). He needs to develop the physical tools, and he needs (more than any other position) to develop the mental tools, to acquire knowledge of the system, strategy, check downs, and audibles.

If Russell was not going to play for us this season, he was only going to get work in the preseason, the primary value of which is learning the system and getting into "football shape." If it's going to take Russell all of this season, camp and preseason 2008, and the regular 2008 season to learn the offense and get into football shape, maybe he isn't what we're looking for.

If the plan was to get him to learn the offense throughout the season, we haven't really lost anything because he can still do that. Getting into football shape is not an emergency for someone who sits in the fourth chair on the depth chart.

If we have lost anything, it is the ability to trade Walter before the start of the season to see if we could have gotten some value for him this year. But as it has been pointed out, Walter is cheap. If we can pay Culpepper 3.2 mil to sit on the bench, we can pay Walter about $500k to sit on the bench.

But if Russell works diligently with McCown and Culpepper, and puts in the extra hours with film and coaches, the playbook and the system should be just about second nature to him by the time 2008 OTAs roll around. If not, he's an idiot who may not be much help anyway.

Russell doesn't have to learn to have a strong and accurate arm. He already has that. He doesn't need to learn how to "move," because he already knows that. The stuff he has to learn can be learned in the next five months, even with limited reps in practice.

Has this been a distraction? Yes. Has this been an annoyance? Yes. Is anybody a big loser here? Only if the plan was for Russell to start this season. But it doesn't look like that was the case, otherwise we wouldn't have spent 3.2 million on Culpepper.

So it looks to me like we had a distraction and an annoyance that is now thankfully over.

1:52 PM  
Anonymous Mad Stork 83 said...

Hey RT, I haven't posted in a while but I've been reading. I'm a little late to this party, but 2 points:

First of all, I think the fans need to lay off McCown a little. It was his first start in 2 years. He's a journeyman. It was the first time his head coach had ever been a head coach in a game or called plays in an NFL game. And the guy went 30 of 40 for 313 yards with 2 TDs. He's at fault for the fumbles and picks, but I'm more upset with the leaky coverage and weak pass rush. Those were supposed to be strengths, 300 yards and 75% completions is well above what I expected from Josh.

Secondly, I agree 100% about the post game show. I listen to it on my computer sometimes to hear player interviews, etc., and I wish they would be less partisan. I know they love the Raiders, so do I. But I'm not going to run off and root for the Jets if they say something bad about our team that happens to be true.

2:00 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

>>>>
nyraider said...
By virtue of the holdout, we effectively sign Russell to a six-year deal for five years of service, assuming his development can be substantially accelerated.
>>>>


Leinart signed last year on Aug 15th... only about three weeks earlier than JR, and still started 11 games last year.

If the Raiders continue to lose, I wouldn't be surprised if he plays a lot this year.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Gary said...

Just read at NFL.com that McCown may be out with a broken finger... Culp might start.

2:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderRealist:

My thoughts exatly....McCown was the Sacraficial Lamb to see if the "OL" had improved before sending Culpepper out to the dogs....or in this case the Dokies...I see that Culpepper has far greater value than McCown and now the McCown has a Lame finger so the question about which "QB" goes is alredy answered...he goes to "IR"...or injury release...difficult to trade a one year contract for an injured "QB'...

One thing in McCowns defense....we can write off the late fumble and "Int" as a result of the finger....but he should have made it known that it was affecting him and we could have gone with Walter of Culpepper to finish the game which could have given us a "V"...now we will never know....

"JRus" got his money but with a loss...about $600,000 game check will be taken away for not signing in time....I think he get's the same money that was offered....

Patzy fan....now that we know about your cheating ways we can connect some other dots....such as bad calls that went in your favor....how maney "Zebra"s do you have on the payrole...you are just like the SadFranchiseCryiers....guilty and all you will get is a late draft choice taken away....your "SB"s will always have a ******* next to them....and vindication comes to the RaiderNation because the whole world will know you are "Cheater"s...you can never defend your cheaten ways...

On ESPN it was reported that the NFL and Jets were examining radio comunications within the stadium durring the game....so now what does that mean....you were taking the singles and sending them to the booth and then to the "QB" Via electronics so that explains how you are winning games....look out...several teams are now very pissed off and will be coming at you for vengance....I will be rooting for SD to slap you now....

Culpepper gets the start now and if we are ahead in the 4th quarter we may see "JRus" come in for some quality time....time will tell...

PantyRaider....Culpepperrrrr!!!!

2:59 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I've got a good feeling about Culpepper. If we can right the wrongs mentioned by Mad Stork above, I think he could lead us a long way this season.

MS is right about McCown as well. The vaunted defense was supposed to be our strength, and the loss is as much on them as anybody. The defense got their 17 points from the offense, but couldn't close the deal.

That may be the ultimate epitaph for this season, from management on down. "They couldn't close the deal." But no matter how it runs, this season is certain to be better than last - at least more entertaining. I'm still in.

3:01 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Hot Damn! PFT is reporting that the Pat's cheating is confirmed with solid evidence. From a video recorder and a audio tape confiscated from a Pats technician.

I guess Moss' big game will get an * ("Coverage known in advance of play.")

So, lets how great the Pats are... They lie about a key injury and the steal the Jets' signals. How long has this been going on, do you figure?

3:08 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

question is, how long have they been cheating?

sure, take away a few draft picks but lets see goodell really smack 'em by taking away a superbowl trophy!

3:15 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Well... let's keep things in perspective. It's bad when a team lies about injuries and steals signals in a game against a division rival. But KIFFIN, refusing to name his starting QB before a cross conference game - that's pure evil!

3:21 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Switching to good news, our prayers did some good work. The doc is now saying that it looks like Everett will walk again.

3:32 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Getting back to RT's point, no matter how you break it down, Russell lost the entire camp and pre-season. You can say it doesn't matter, but at the end of the day, time is money, and both time and money were wasted.

And, ala Lienart, Culter and Young, Russell had incredible potential to play in 2007, which is probably all but lost now.

Any "residual" value for 2007 will be up to Russell and his coaches, and how hard he is pressed to learn the system.

3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am glad the whole J.R. thing is done. Let's move on.

I am not happy or sad to see McCown gone(for sure). But now we can see what Culpepper is made up of? For all the Raider fans that were chanting his name let's hope you all are right?

I'd like to see Culpepper do some nice things and give J.R. a chance to see how a Pro Bowler plays.

Now to the idiot pat fans. What do you all have to say now? I have always known that the Pats were cheaters. Now Raider fans, do we all think we got cheated out during that "Tuck" thing? I do.
I hope Goodell lays them out cold.

Wheres that dynasty now?

3:51 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

It's classic...

Patriots Anoymous comes to Raider Nation to sit down and play poker with the boys. He figures Raider Nation is an easy mark. As he gets up to leave, an Ace falls from his sleave.

I'm wondering if he'll have the courage to come back here and face us.

4:16 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's one thing to find a player was involved in steriods or some stupid activity (e.g., bar shooting, dog fighting, etc), but to catch a team cheating in the NFL? Wow! Faida and his boyfriend can stop throwing arrows and start catching a few. As it turns out, Patsies (and their fans) have absolutely no integrity... and no draft picks come April.

5:03 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Looking at the reported terms of the Russell deal, we can breath some fresh air.

First, the contract was complicated - the damn thing was 30 pages long.

But ultimately the deal got backloaded big time. Russell's first year is the year he receives the least amount of the package. The big money comes later with playing time incentives, so the Raiders are protected unless Russell plays well enough to take the field.

The statement I've always relied on in this process came from Kiffin when he said, "I'm confident management is doing everything necesary to protect this team's future."

5:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

The Fish signed Darius.

5:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlandaRocked:

So.....is the next high draft potential player going to hire "JRus"s agents.....I'd say they are big loosers in this except for the big money they stolled from "JRus"....

Question....sense the contract is "BackLoaded" does that mean the agents have to wait for their money also...like do they get all their commision now or as time goes along....I hope they have to wait just like "JRus" for all the dammage they did to him and the Raiders....

PatzyBitch won't be back as a Patzy....not enough balls....he's the same guy that was talken Donko's-n-Winers crap last season but he thinks we all forgot....I don't forget or forgive....and did I here him put out a challenge to get physical....remember last year I was more than willing....I still am....so if you find any gonad let me know....I am still in MorroBay until 10-1 and very easy to find twit.....and will be back 1-21-08 and still easy to find....in fact I will be in AZ 1-26 to 1-14 at the Tucson gem show so come and find me if ya got's da guts....

PantyRaider....PunkAssPatzyLiar!!!!

5:49 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"JRus" richest rookie ever....so what....last year was Bush or Williams the richest rookie ever....and next year there will be a new richest rookie ever...so what's the point...

The #6 pick this year might have gotten as much as the #1 three years ago....I know the #2 this year got more than last years #1....

PantyRaider....MoneyTalks...

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Patsy fan. I have no doubt he'll be back. As soon as I started posting the "Patriots Caught Cheating" stuff the other day he continued to post here, but with a more humbled, realistic tone.
Trying to butter up. Yeah, before your team got caught CHEATING you were in here "acting like a chimpanzee at a cocktail party, throwing dung at the walls and making a mess of the appetizers", as RT gave him credit for NOT doing at that time (with your head hung low in shame).

Psycho

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Among the other things pointed out about the pasties cheating practices; I read somewhere that the Vikings' coach, over the pre-season accused them of "using leverage" somehow with the way they were cutting their players or something. Not sure what that's all about. But it seems they'll use whatever dirty tactics they can to get some kind of edge.

Psycho

6:14 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Ya...and no doubt they used some of their "CheatenHeart" to PayOff the Zebras and get the favoritism that they recieved....I hope there is a full investagation and all is revealed but you know that won't happen...."Honor Amongst Theives" is the slogan of the NFL....just like SadFran and Eddie and Policy....just a slap on the rist...."Now now boys....play nice"....

PantyRaider...Vengance-n-Restitution!!!!

6:27 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Psycho,

It is amusing how the trash talking Patriots fan has kind of disappeared. He was an hourly irritant for several days. Now we know how he got his superior intellect and 95% accuracy rate he bragged about. Also, in his last post he bragged about how he really wasn’t an obnoxious Patriots fan. I guess he just played one on blogs. Or was it all that crow and humble pie he had to consume.

Nate,

The numbers I heard is 29 and 3, with final payout in 2010 if all incentives are met. When he becomes the starter they will be pretty easy to meet. One current thought is he will be placed on the Physically Unable to Perform list with Bush. This will allow the team to carry all three current quarterbacks for six weeks. However, I believe he can’t practice if on the PUP, so why sign him if he won’t practice for six to seven weeks.

What I keep hearing and reading about the Pats cheating is a heavy fine or loss of a draft pick. Big deal. It’s a cost of doing business. If it’s true then Belichick had to know. Especially after the incident in the Packers game last year. If that’s true he should be suspended for the remainder of the year and the game against the Jets should be forfeited and all of Randy’s stats removed from the books. If Goodell wants to send a message, that would get everyone’s attention in a hurry.

Now the good news. Herm Edwards is on the hot seat in Chef’s land. The reporters were all over him in his news conference and he was squirming. I hear Marty and Dick are on speeddial on Carl Petersens phone. He plans to offer them Co-Head Coach.

I don’t like to see a player lose his starting job due to injury, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Culpepper out there on Sunday. McCowan is also hobbling around on a sore ankle. X-rays were negative on the ankle.

H

P. S. Patriots new fight song "Your Cheatin' Heart".

8:15 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

NY Raider-

Exactly my thoughts. Had Russell been "In" like the rest of us from the begining of camp, no telling what might have been. Young and Leinart were pressed into playing not long into last year's season as rookies and did more than ok.

With the advent of McCown's injury, who knows. If Russell had a good camp he might be getting the nod this early.

In years past it has taken a natural disaster or act of god for the Raiders to make changes at QB.
For RT and all Culpepper supporters, McCown's injury may give you your wish.

Think Stabler and Plunkett. I believe Lamonica got hurt early in immaculate deception game or else he would have still been the starting qb for who knows how much longer?
I know Lamonica was coming off an MVP season in 1970, two years prior, but we all saw what Stabler could do once he got the chance.

As for Plunkett, he would not have played if Pasortorini did not get hurt. Would the Raider have gone to the Super Bowl if Pastorini was QB that whole year? A discussion I would love to continue with my RT bretheren over a few.

8:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

H...

I don't think the Squaws will talk to marty because when they parted it was not on good terms....he has a way of getting under owners skin....and he has a way of making it rough on the Raiders so I hope I'm right....well...maybe Gruden will take that job next year when he get's run out of TB.....LOOSER!!!!

No news break about "JRus" so not going to be at practice tomoro?????....sense his contract #'s are low this year we can afford to have him sit and learn....work him in if we have a very good leed late in the game....

"JediAprentice" to "Obi-one-Culpepper"...."Yes Jedi Master"...

Time to test the Donko's "O"-n-"D"....game Plan....

Stop the run and force "Jay-Betray" to throw the ball....bring the heat and get the Hurry-Up...Int's-w-Returns-n-Field-Position is the name of the game for the "D"....

Run-Run-Run and Play-Action-Pass-w-Deep-Strike-Capability-n-the Scramble on the "O"...maybe even a reverse or the "CurryPass" mixed in...

PantyRaider....ExcitmentCommin!!!!

8:47 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

memdf:

On my "History-o-da-Raiders" DVD it showed that game and said the Snake came in because the MadBomber was not doing well....but later in other games the "OldMan" Blanda had to come in and bail out the Snake....

So let's hope Culpepper plays well and get's a new contract to stay with the Raiders....eventually "JRus" replaces him in the starting role but if he struggles in a game the "OldMan" Culpepper is there to come off the bench and save the day...just like old times in RaiderLand....

NOOOOOO.....we would not have done as well with Pastorini....we were 2-3 with him....9-2 without....

PantyRaider....HistoryRepeats!!!!

8:54 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Positive Info:

In the Cards game Monday night Moses had Zero stats....did anybody see him play....their line was knocking down the door in SadFran....infact I made a comment to a few 49'ers that it looked like they borrowed our "OL" from last year....and they had to agree....Sick....Just plain Sick...they were very lucky to come out with the win....wish I could say that about us....

The Donko's were very lucky to come out with a win Sunday....their line was caving in to Buffalo's pass rush....but at the end of the game the Bills played "Prevent" and let "MuleHigh" go down the field without preasure....no containment on "Jay-Betray" who had made several stupid plays....NOT a great "QB"....They put up some big yardage #'s but small points....and missed 2 "FG"s....they got one "TD" and 3 "FG"s for the 15 points.....

I gota believe we have a much better "D" than the Bills.....and alot more "O" with Culpepper playing....Thing to watch out for....NO mistakes please....We should be able to run well against their "DL"....7 in the box....I think their return man was hurt and their "WR" Walker took a good hit to the Head-n-Neck so I hope he is stiff....waitin to see the injury report....

PantyRaider....Kick-Some-Ass!!!!

10:14 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

some news re: everett/bills. the doctor who performed a procedure minutes after his injury is now confident he will be able to walk out of the hospital. he now has movement in his arms and legs.

isn't that awesome? thank God. sounds like he's gonna be ok!

10:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say "j-rust" will be cryin' the blues come 2010, the "genius" is shrewed, he will never let "j-rust" fulfil the 35% in "07", 45% in "08", and 50% in "09" snaps taken clause....You all know big al (MR.) davis will squeeze that penny so hard that you won't be able to recognize honest Abe's profile!, As for the Patriots "cheating" bull-oney....that's exactly what it is, if they were doing any type of spying or subtrafuge you can probably chalk it up to something they learned from the "genius" himself.....Yep, I'm sayin' that if thre is any cheating going on who better ti learn from than the old master hisself... big al (MR.) davis! Just like the sickum old "lester hays" used to slather on by the quart, the holy roller, the sea of hands....you ALL know big al (MR.) davis was behind all thet shizle, what about big al cheating Shanahan out of the $250,000.00 he STILL hasn't paid him....and the black balling of Marcus Allen? he took that in the shorts when Marcus piled on the scores against the faidas over many years while he played to distinction with the KC Chiefs....Just get a life crybabies, "mc-clown" or "culpumper" will not help the faidas!

11:26 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

Haven't posted in a while, kinda just been lurking.

I am disappointed in the way the game turned out but am optimistic for the season. I imagined a 6-10/7-9 season for us and would say we are still on track.

LaMont Jordan looked like his '05 self. If McCown continues as the starter (not sure know, injury) he needs to get rid of the ball quicker. I lost count on how many time he dropped back and pumped and pumped, throw it damn it!

The difference between Raider fans is we are Raider fans regardless if they win or lose. You can't say that about other teams (i.e., Patriots, Steelers, Rams, etc.).

DENVER PREDICTION - Raiders 17, Broncos 13. Culpepper starts and throws one TD and runs another one in. Janikowksi hits a field goal but misses 2 and is cut on Monday.

3:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
I hope Culpepper plays because he should be able to audible at the line better and hit quick slants that will ease the rush.
As for the Patties... I guess Moss's good day was aided by knowing the defense he was going against. Cheaters. Let's see how he does against the lightening dolts sans the other team's playbook. If I didn't hate the Dolts so badly I would pull for them. I just hope both teams hurt each other badly.
As for Moss, he's not someone you can count on when the chips are down, but I can kind of see his side last year... watching his HOF chances go down the toilet under Tom Walsh and Shell. YOu can't really blame him for wanting out. The Shell/Walsh era is just an embarrassing blackeye we'll have to live with for awhile.
One final note- I think we should be trying to deal for some offensive lineman right now. We've been getting beat on the offensive line for about three years now.

4:06 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Bama7,

We have made upgrades to the offensive line. Cooper Carlisle, Newberry, Cornell Green were all starting. Too bad Newberry got hurt. Mario Henderson is being developed to eventually replace someone.

PantyRaider,

In the "Miracle Year" Blanda bailed out Stabler because of injuries. I'm not sure if you meant Stabler was playing poorly or not, but I wanted to clarify.

Speaking of Miracles, Scorpio, I saw the same report. Said he could move his arms and legs. Let's pray he continues on this path. I also heard one of his best friends took his roster spot.

Jason,

You might be right about cutting Jano, but it won't be on Monday. They will need to sign someone.

However, Blanda played quarterback and kicked field goals during his "Miracle Season" and Ray Guy did the kickoffs. Why can't Lechler do a little double duty?

Just a thought.

H

4:41 AM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Panty-

You (and the pats) cheated by referring to the dvd!
I remember watching the immaculate deception on a 15" b&W TV in my room as a kid.
The Snake running and passing like a man possessed.
Then my innocence stolen from me as I saw what the nfl was capable of doing to my beloved team.

Little did I know the heartache of that day would be repeated 27 years later on a snowy night against the aforementioned cheaters....

For some reason I was more worried about the lions than I am about the donks...

5:05 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

You have to admit, the Patsies must have a well-oiled machine to have enough time to take and review video, interpret the opposing team’s signals, then process that information to the players on the field. Must have taken years of practice to perfect such an art.

Sadly, by comparison, Shell & Walsh couldn’t even get our team to the line before the play clock ran down.... which, did anyone notice by the way, was not an issue Sunday. Amazing what a difference a year (and a new coaching staff) makes.

5:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know Anon Patsy fan, the NFL seems to be pretty much convinced that you've been CAUGHT CHEATING. They're calling it "Strong Evidence".

Now they're scheduling the "great" Beli-Chick to come into the comish's office for a little chat. This only happens to guys like Pacman and Tank Johnson. As in, obviously guilty. And they say WE live in denial!

And regarding all the alleged "cheating" you're referring to on the part of the Raiders. Most of that stuff you listed isn't even considered cheating by today's standards. How do you call the Marcus benching cheating? Sea of hands? What? The holly roller was luck, and not against the rules by any means. Name one think we did that was against the rules! Stickum? Nope, sorry. You should've thought of it first like Hayes did. I don't remember one time we ever broke an established rule the way your team obviously has knowingly done for quite some time.

NY - Excellent point. They do seem to be pretty good at it, don't they!

Psycho

6:56 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Psycho,

It's like I keep telling people. It ain't cheating if they change the rule AFTER you do it.

Stickum, the Head Slap, the Holy Roller - They are all called "Raider Rules" because they were legal at the time and it worked in the Raiders favor. To cheat you must be in violation of an existing rule.

And, if stickum was illegal the refs must have been walking around with dark glasses with red tipped white canes.

That's not whining, it's fact. But, as you are aware of some people just don't want to be confused with facts.

H

8:52 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I remember the imaculate reception game well. I don't think Stabler came in until the fourth quarter. The Mad Bomber was pulled for being ineffective. It was a forty yard plus run by Stabler that put the Raiders in front.

The next season, the Bomber was still the starter, and he moved the ball very well, but only between the 20 yard lines. He couldn't get in the endzone for the life of him, and the Raiders were beginning to pile up losses. I think it was a few games into the season that Stabler took over and showed the ability to get them into the endzone. In those days, Stable was still a scrambler, and he kept getting popped. He'd come out and Blanda would come in. Sometimes they'd just change up with Blanda because his style was completely different from Stabler's and Blanda had the uncanny ability to improvise. He would often kneel down in the huddle and trace out pass paterns on the turf - just like the kids in the neighborhood do. "When you get to the blue Buick, do a button hook."

Ah, memories.

Also, no. There's no way the Raiders go to the SB in 1980 without Jim Plunkett. I was an actor back in those days, and did a play once with the woman who was then Dan Pastorini's wife - June Wilkenson (once called Hugh Hefner's favorite pin-up). I met Pastorini the year before he came to the Raiders - even played a game of Charades with him and cast members of the play. He wasn't a very effective leader, although he had a lot of talent. Bum Phillips was the source of leadership for the, then, Houston Oilers. While Flores was a good coach, he wasn't exactly a lightening rod, so QB leadership was essential.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am more amazed at how much this anon knows about Raider's history new and old, he knows about Al Davis as if he was Mr. Davis' old girlfriend!

I betcha anon is an old girlfriend that Mr. Davis dumped like a little tramp.

raiderdecoachella

10:22 AM  
Anonymous H said...

Blandarocked,

You're getting me all misty eyed. As much as I love Kenny Stabler and the ’76 team (I have a picture of he and I when we both had brown hair), I’ve always said 1980 was my favorite season. When the Raiders were 2-3 people where I worked told me there was no way the Raiders would make the playoffs.

Every Monday thereafter I was able to walk in and say “How ‘bout them Raiders.” My wife bought me a Super Bowl XV commemorative beer stein which I open every season with.

Later they drafted Mark Wilson, but he never got enough traction to take over from Plunkett.

H

10:30 AM  
Anonymous H said...

One more thing:

Check this article on Belichick

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20715148/

H

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

it's official, jruss is a raider. news conference at 3pm (pst).

11:44 AM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

I may sound like a broken record here, but if the Daunte cheering section gets it's wish due to Josh's injury, I can only make one suggestion: Buy some Maalox and something to drown your sorrows in. Jameson Irish Whiskey is always a good choice. I'll be the first to agree that his preseason performance was positive. I also watched his last two years in MN (before I converted my wife away from the Purple People Eaters) and every snap he took in Miami (don't ask). God help us if that version of the "Pro Bowler" shows up.

The only backup I care about just showed up for practice today, and we won't be cheering his name for months yet.

BTW, I didn't see anything earlier, but did you guys see the article about how Kiff didn't want Russ and that he is "Al's pick". Unbelievable!

11:50 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Pope:

I didn't see the article, but here are the general rules.

If you like a player, and you hate Al Davis, then the player was Kiffin's pick and Al is going to do everything in his power to sabotage the pick.

If you have problems with the player, then it was Al's pick, and Al is ordering Kiffin to keep him on the roster and play him no matter what.

Kiffin secretly hates Al and can't wait to get out of town because of Al's continual interference.

Al is extremely jealous of Kiffin and wants to be sure he loses so Al's greatness will never be dimished.

Got that? It's very important that you do.

12:09 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Pope:

I prefer Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout or a nice bottle of H-Brew if I didn't wait too long bedore starting a batch.

According to the media, anything good, it's the coach. Anything bad, it's Al. Except for Madden, because we all know Al was the Defacto coach then and Madden was a figurehead. The Flores years never really happened. They were Twilight Zone episodes.

If Kiffin didn't want him, who did he want and what was his long term plan for quarterback?

It gets old after awhile, so I try and not read that crap.

H

12:27 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Glennlivet - 15 years old - neat. Only to be taken after a Raider touchdown. Suck on a nice pilsner between scores.

I'm ready for this year! I spent too much of my Sundays sober last year.

12:33 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H:

You're forgetting the new line on Madden since he was installed in the H of F. As it turns out, everybody was wrong. Madden was actually running the team back then, but Al was jealous and trying to ruin by feuding with Stabler.

You're right about Flores, though. Flores never existed.

12:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the difference between gambling and spying?

I can't help but remember the instance between the leagues officiating president and Amy Task and think what is this going to ammount to! Their logical answer is probably going to be that the other team fumbled the ball 3 times and they had 2 interceptions therefor it doesn't matter that the patsies were spying!!

What gives man!

raiderdecoachella

12:52 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Ah, so it's Madden's fault Al became such a control freak.

Thanks for setting me straight on that Blandarocked.

H

12:55 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

No problem, H. And we won't even get into Al's relationship with Osama bin Laden.

12:59 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The Patriots released the following from their Head Coach...

"Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league’s decision, I will have further comment.”

But when will Al Davis appologize? After all, he set the tone when he said, "Just win, baby!"

1:08 PM  
Blogger RaiderRealist said...

I don't care what you guys are drinking, there is nothing as strong as fresh brewed Hater-Aid:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_6870061

If JaMarcus succeeds, then Al will butt heads with him like he did Marcus Allen. If he fails, it will look like we made a mistake of "Jeff George-like" proportions. In other words, we can't win with mediots like Mr. Poole.

1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
Blanda, some of us may go a bit far with the Al bashing, but dammit dude the Raiders have sucked for about twenty five years now (sans the gruden NOT AL Davis 1999-2002 period) and the only constant throughout this painful era, was... AL DAVIS. So I say to you, as much as you like to try and make the Al-bashers" look nonsensical, I contend that you are overly apologetic toward Al's contribution to the sorry state our team is in. If, as you seem to think, Al has done no wrong, then tell him to get his old ass involved since he's GM, and start turning the thing around.
Bottom line, Al's done THE three biggest boneheaded moves to make us the laughingstock we are right now, and to this there is NO debate:
1. Jano in the 1st round... surely the stupidest 1st round pick in nfl history.
2. The Art Shell hiring #2... surely the worst nfl head coaching hire in history
3. Hiring Tom Walsh to be our OC. Al said at the time, and I quote, "You'll see, Tom's smart."
Any other GM would have been fired if he had these three moves on his resume. And what did Al say after last year's debacle... basically that he didn't pick huff and the offense wasn't his fault because he was working on the defense.
Al obviously has major issues: why else would Petrino, Whisenhunt, Sean Peyton et all not take an nfl job here? Why do you think Gruden walked away? Why do you think Moss wanted out?
The only constant through these down times has been Al, Blanda.
So at some point quit worshipping the old man because quite frankly he hasn't a clue how to build a winner anymore.

1:51 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Ken Stabler and Marcus Allen...

It is always reported that Davis had a feud with both players. That much is true. The media reports always leave out the stated reasons for Al's complaints against both. It had nothing to do with Davis' desire to keep the Raiders from winning.

The Raiders went to the SB in 1976, but they had a better team in 1977. They lost to Denver that year in the AFC Championship game. In 1978 the Raiders went 9-7. Stabler was up for a new contract. Davis told Stabler that he was too old to continue partying every night, and needed to spend more time conditioning. Davis used that issue in negotiating Stabler's contract, and Stabler didn't like it. Stabler was eventually traded, but over the years they kissed and made up.

Allen was a different person in the locker room than the player reported on by the press. The press always played him like the complete "team" player, doing whatever was necessary to help the team win. However there was a locker room battle over team philosophy which place Allen in the center of dividing the team into two camps. This was confirmed by some of the other Raiders at the time, and led then Head Coach Art Shell to say that "Marcus Allen is a cancer on this football team."

Personally, I never took sides in these disputes because I never had all of the information and neither did anyone else (except those directly involved). Disagreements occur anywhere.

But the point I'm making is that these disputes did not take place in a vacuum. Both sides took some responsibility.

2:01 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7:

So it is your contention that Al is not building a winner right now?

Okay, I'll agree that Jano was the only bad choice made by any owner (except for all of Al's other mistakes), and I'll agree that Al hiring Shell and Walsh in 2007 was responsible for 25 years of horrendous football.

However, I would like to point out that Davis did fire Shell, White, Bugel, Callahan, and Turner. Which one of these should he not have fired? Yes he hired all of them, but of these the only ones who failed to make the playoffs were White, Bugel, and Turner (a total of five years). None of these three ever finished their contract. Yes, I do agree that White was a bad hire, that Bugel was a bad hire, and (now) that Shell II was a bad hire. But Davis saw the mistake and rectified it.

Callihan is a slightly different story because he did take us to a SB. It was only once he got to the SB, and the following season, that made us all realize he was insane.

Yes, Al Davis does make mistakes. Just like anybody else. But I can't think of a single person I'd be willing to replace him with. Perhaps the owner of the Patriots?

2:11 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

bama7,

i agree, but the time to address the o-line was in aprils draft.
there's not much that can be done about it now.

i mentioned this prior to the draft, so i feel i have some credibility to say this now.

we won 2 games last year, we obviously needed help along the 0-line, and the d-line, as teams ran through huge holes in the middle of our d-line last year.

but all off season, we picked up mario henderson, a project, and cast off, gerard warren. to top it all, dt sapp lost 30 pounds. wow.

there's not much more to say. we will sruggle again this year pass/run blocking, and stopping the run up the gut.

i hope we will do something about it next year, because...

I am TIRED of LOSING !!!!!!!!

2:36 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

To answer directly:

"Al obviously has major issues: why else would Petrino, Whisenhunt, Sean Peyton et all not take an nfl job here?"

Probably because the only one who was offered a job was Patrino, and that was Lombardi's choice.

"Why do you think Gruden walked away?"

I take Gruden at his word. He left because he felt the ideal situation for any Head Coach was to be able to coach in his own home town, surrounded by a very tight knit family.

"Why do you think Moss wanted out?"

I don't care what Moss wanted, I wanted him out. Moss was pouting because he wanted to be on a SB team to end his career and the Raiders were too far away from being a contender.

"The only constant through these down times has been Al, Blanda."

Funny, but it seems to me that the only constant, on any football team, through both bad times and good, is the owner.

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bama7
Blanda, but are other owners the GM's too?

3:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Marcus Allan turned "Cryer" on Monday night football and went after Aldavis....NOT the other way around....he also went after ArtShell....so SORRY...but I don't see any differance between him and Portster...NoMoss...or any other such "Bad Attitude Player"....they may have alot of tallent but they could not keep their heads in the damn game....and when Allan complained we had "Bo"...and only an absolute idiot would have sat BO down to play Allan at that time of his carrear.....PIERIOD....

Why is it that "HateTripper"s just keep beating a "DeadHourse" over and over and over again....just can't get happy can you....can't keep your head in the game today...this is 2007 season...Allan is long retired and a "Hall-o-Famer" because of this organization....as a Raider....NOT as a Squaw.....he never did anything as a Squaw to put himself in the Hall.....

Donko's are favored by 10pts....

PantyRaider....LookinAhead....ScrewHindSight!!!!

3:24 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

McCown could be out for 3-4 weeks...Go Culpepper...but don't expect Kiffen to name a starting "QB" until Saturday....or maybe Sunday afternoon....just to keep "ShanaRat" thinking....so now Walter is named as the #3 on the Depth Chart....so he just moved up to #2...."JRus" is not listed yet....

Sorry for the cheating....I have watched that DVD 3 times sense I recieved it this summer....so now I just have a refreshed memory....I was in my 20's when that season played out so 30+ years can rob you of some of the finer points....Kenny became in-efective at times and Blanda replaced him....not just for injuries....the "OldMan" had his game and the "Kid" had his but together they made the Raiders Great....

Things Worth Lookin Back On...

PantyRaider....PositiveInfluence!!!

3:43 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's really amazing that neither Belichick or Kraft have denied allegations of cheating. Both have deferred comment until the league rules on the issue. I wonder how long sideline video analysis has been part of their halftime adjustments. Truly amazing!

3:46 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Some are. Al sometimes employs folks to act as "defacto" GM.

But I think part of the criticism directed at Al is not because Al has failed, but because his second selection of a head coach was such a resounding success story. Madden made the playoffs in 9 out of 10 seasons he coaced. I can't think of many coaches with that kind of record, and it creates a hell of a lot of pressure to duplicate.

But still, even in the last 25 years for which you are so critical, the Raiders have been to the playoffs 10 of those years, and have been to the SB twice.

How many teams have HofF coaches that serve that one team for 10 years. Al came close with Flores, but no cigar. You think Gruden is headed for the Hall? I don't.

Sorry that Al hasn't been able to continually reload with HofF coaches, but that's a tough order.

3:56 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Patriots - Expect Kraft to do the Sergent Schultz routine... "I know nothing, nothing." But they are going to have to have a fall guy, and the only one who can take the beating is Bilichick.

I would say that for something this egregious they'd have to fire him. But expect him to get a lot of support from the bandwagon mediots. They will try and come up with explanations as to why it's not as bad as it seems, and say that the spying system really didn't give them any on-field advantage.

The scuttlebut is that Mangini might have set up a sting, because he used to work for Bilichick and took part in the system himself. So it looks like the Benedict Arnolds have been practicing this for a long time. Every one of their Lumbardis should be engraved with an asterik.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Here we go again. Al bashing.

Bama7,

I happen to like Al. But here are some thoughts on him and I. #13 is the real reason I like him.

1.I don’t drink Kool-Aid

2.Al has made bad/incorrect decisions

3.Al has made some very good decisions

4.When we took Gallery he was the one all the experts said we needed. He was "Can't Miss".

5.Most of the experts were scratching their heads over Asomugah

6.The also wondered why we took Kirk Morrison when we did

7.I too am tired of loosing, but I don’t let it dominate my life and it appears BlandaRocked and I can have some fun with it. It’s just a game.

8.Al has taken us to five Super Bowls. Only one ownership currently active has done better. The Rooneys.

9.We have done better the last 25 years than the majority of the NFL.

10.Some of Al’s bad decisions, I thought they were right at the time. They just didn’t work out.

11.Some of his good decisions I was scratching my head over.

12.He more than any other owner is loyal to his players.

13.He’s one snappy dresser.

H

4:18 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Bama7,

You are wrong. The dumbest first round pick in NFL history was not Jano. It was Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.

H

4:24 PM  
Anonymous memdf said...

Blandarocked and Panty-

One story that I loved was that during those early 70's games Blanda and Biletnikoff would come off the field and put those gigantic long rain coats with the hoods and the Raider shield on the back and sit at the end of the bench.

They would then have the trainers come by and cover their heads even more with towels. They would then light up and have a cigarette. Right on the sideline!
The trainers would have to hold Biletnikoff's smoke for him because of the stickem!

God I miss those days!

4:40 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

memdf:

The word at the time was that Biletnicoff would smoke two packs of cigarettes in the restroom stall before each game, throwing up between packs because he was nervous.

4:44 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

H,

i think you are wrong. many teams have whiffed when picking a qb in round one.

when you stick your neck out and select a kicker at number one, that kicker BETTER be good, and he BETTER be clutch.

fatass seabass is neither

5:47 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Raider00,

Ray Guy - for every bad one you can find a good or brilliant one.

Point is, he's human. Not every dicision or choice has or will work out. But me, I love the guy. I liked him when he was the coach and still do.

I won't be able to convert all the younger ones, but I don't care. All this argument over Al Davis changes nothing. So, I have fun with it.

H

6:19 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Al is only human and so were the players and coaches who he selected....How the hell can you blame anybody for making what is termed as "Mistakes"....you can look at he college record and the plays that were made....at the combine and all the other info that you can pick up....but to my knollege we are not allowed to have a shrink go thru a plyers life....

"OK jano....lay on my couch like a potato and tell me your iner most secreats"......jano: "Oh Ya...Like I'm going to tell you anything....I want to play ball Stupid"....

All anyone can do is try to make an intelegent decision that benifits their team....and yes...even CryinRyan was being punp up as the next DanFouts....so poor AlaxSpanos got fooled and people laughed....but he was right about that middle "LB" he took in the first.....and now look....that "QB" he took is far better for his team than the one the Giants got on theirs....but of course that's not the way it was told at the time now was it....

PantyRaider....My Dads Smarter Than Your Dad......StupidDebates!!!!

8:04 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Patzy Penalty:

Sense they screwed every team they played the compensation should go to the teams....so this is my paposal for punishment....

The Patzy's can protect 5 players on the "O" and 5 players on the "D" and one player on "ST"....

Now there is a PreDraft Party where a team can select any un-protechted player from the Patzy's roster in exchange for a 4th round draft pick....and each selecting team is given a cap exception for that players contract....so now the Patzy's become like an expansion team and must rebuild their team again over the draft with up to 32 4th round picks and whatever trades and free agents they can bring in....

That will send a message and NO team will want to take that type of risk ever again....and every other team in the NFL will gain some benifit from the process....so now the Patzy's will loose up to 31 current players on their team but not the 11 best out of their 53 man roster....thats about a 50% reduction....but some teams who select late in the draft may not want a player who is left and not want to give up a 4th rd pick.....

It will never happen but that's what they deserve and the other teams deserve compensation....and should not have to worry about the "patzy Cheating Dynasty" for several seasons.....

Short of that the coach should be fired now and banned from the NFL for 3 years.....

PantyRaider....PatzyAbuse!!!!!

8:19 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

h,
8.Al has taken us to five Super Bowls. Only one ownership currently active has done better. The Rooneys.

what? i know my math is bad, but 5 rings each for the steelers, cowpokes and whiners owners is a hell of a lot better than 5 "appearances" and 3 rings. and the last one was what? 1980 freakin 3?

ok, i'll stop. i'm not getting involved this time.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

H,

i'm not knocking al davis for swinging and missing on seabust.
not every draft pick is going to pan out.

i personally think the gallery & brayton picks were worst 1st round selections.

what bothers me more is that gallery, brayton, & seabust are all still playing in games, and costing us games.

as far as having fun with raider losses, well, we've beaten that horse to death (mike vick ??).

this blog is great fun for all raiders fans. we gather here and let fly, loss after loss, after loss.
i just wish we can blog a little about some raider success. not have to go all the way back to snake, & biletnikoff.
those were great times, and great players, but can we please win a division game this year.

by the way, i am not a young fan. i've followed the raiders since 1973. i have witnessed much of the glory, and seen much of the history as it unfolded. but, as al would say, the fire that burns brightest in me is the will to win.
my fire did not go out in 1984.

i believe that kiff will get this thing turned around. i just think we could have had a much better off season.
many of our weakest area's were not addressed. we've got to do better if we are to get back on the road to the super bowl.
that is the point of all this , isn't it ???

9:41 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Scorpio:

The current owner of the cowgirls is "JJ" and he has only owned the teams sense the "90"s....so where the hell is the five....

The current owner of SadFran is NOT EdieDeBartalo....it's his freaken sister and they have "0" Zero "SB"s....

And the current ownership of the Steelers is not ArtRooney who got 4 rings in the "70"s....

So now where the hell is the "Current" owner who can stand agaist MrDavis....

So am I to understand that if Al dies and leaves the team to his son you will continue to count all the PlayOffs and SB's that MrDavis has as belonging to his son....carried on in the family....I doubt it!....

Raider00:

We have been winners sense "84"....we have made the playoff's several times and went all the way to the AFC Championship in the 85-90's-2000...and got to the SB in "03"....

Would you call the Bills of the "90"s loosers or the Vikes of the "70"s....they made it to the SB 4 times in a short span but never won....but they were not loosers.....History would paint the Rams of the "70"s as winners but they never made the SB....the Donko's lost 4 before they won....it's sad if a team went 13-3 but gets labled as a winning team when they never made the SB....but the team that got there and lost is labled Looser....like Chicago....

PantyRaider....DoubleStandard!!!

9:53 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Vapoized...."Lost in HyperSpace" and falling down the "Big Deep Black Hole"....

"Holy BungHolio BatMan"....head stuck up his....

RT's "Zapem" has spoken....

PantyRaider....ThankYou!!!!!

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scorpio,

Sorry for "lurking", but regarding 5 Super Bowls for the Cowgirls...it was under two different ownerships, which I believe is the point H was making.

Changing the subject...

Raiders vs Lions

I was disapointed with the loss to Detroit, however I do see significant progress regarding play calling and offensive execution. Still have a long way to go, but very optomistic.

In my opinion, it was our defense that didn't come through in the end for us.

Blandarocked.

Correction on the Stabler run during the Immaculate Deception...it was a 30 yard run. Here is an excerp of the Bill King radio broadcast of that play (22sec):

King: "Clarence Davis is in for Charlie Smith, he's the deep threat on pass reception. Back goes Lamoni..uh Stabler to pass, he steps away from the rush, he's gonna run UP THE LEFT SIDE, 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5, TOUCHDOWN, TOUCHDOWN OAKLAND RAIDERS, I'm sorry I've lost my voice. KENNY STABLER GOES ALL THE WAY..30 YARDS" end of clip.

I'll tell you what, I just got chills up my spine again from listeneing to that clip. It gets me every time. I wish you could all hear Bill call that one.

Of all the years I listened to Bill King, that was the one clip where I thought King was going to explode with excitement.

Hope you enjoyed.

azraider63

10:05 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raiders PlayOff's sense "84" SB...


84 season-Playoff loss to Seattle
85 season-Playoff loss to NE
93 season-Playoff loss to Buffalo
2000 season-Playoff loss to Baltimore
01 season-Playoff loss to NE
02 season-AFC Champs loose SB 03 to TB

Loosers 03-06 seasons....4 years
we were loosers for about 4-5 years in the 90's.....
we were loosers about 2 years at the end of the 80's...
All other years we were over 500 sense 1963....

PantyRaider....RecordedHistory!!!!

10:29 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

the point is people that THOSE HATED organizations current owners or NOT have 5 rings. you can talk about 5 APPEARANCES all you want. its a weak attempt to justify al's f-ups and to downplay those 5 rings. bottom line is they got 'em we don't. i don't give a horses ass about who the owner or previous owners were! i'm looking at it from an organizational point of view.

10:45 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Panty,

1984 playoff loss to seattle. i remember it well. we still had plunkett, and allen, and most of the defending championship team was there.
tough game in the kingdom, i believe we lost something like 10-7.

1985, went down to the patsies. i recall marc wilson playing badly and millen beating sullivan with his helmet after game.

you forgot 1990, championship game in buffalo. not a good day.

1993, back to buffalo. closer game, but never really a super bowl threat with hoss at the helm.

2000, the gruden run begins. fat goose falls on gannon.
snow jobbed in new england.
gruden, looking to escape.

in steps callahan. super bowl here we come. but robbins goes crazy, raiders flop in san diego.

team gets old in a hurry, and the rest is history.

yes, i know what happened. now let's win the super bowl.
first step toward that goal.....OPENING OUR EYES !!!

10:54 PM  
Anonymous H said...

Take,

I like your penalty. Another option is to do it like the NCAA. Loss of scholarships. What I mean by that is remove 20-25 Million from their salary cap. No post season appearances for two years.

After arriving home, I was watching a clip on Brady on either ESPN news or NFL Network. They were talking about how quick he reacted to the blitzes and how quick he could read the defenses and how fast he made decisions. Well Duh… When you know what’s coming it’s pretty easy to react quickly.

Scorpio,

Key word is “Current”, the Steelers have been under continuous ownership at least as long as the Raiders. Different ownership in Dallas and San Francisco. Just a clarification.

Yes, rings are better than appearances. I have even said about Gannon that I prefer Super Bowl MVP to Pro Bowl MVP. However, getting to the playoffs and the Super Bowl sure makes September through December more enjoyable.

Thanks for the memory on Snake. In high school I would listen to Alabama games on the radio when Snake was QB. Runs like that were common place. Coming out of college he was the total package.

Raider00,

I got 9 years on you with the Raiders, so we’re not too far apart. Hell, I was actually watching the Hedi Game when NBC cut it off. On a 10 inch black and white TV. By ’76 I had upgraded to a 13 inch color.

Also, I'm right and so are you. Who made the worst draft pick is subjective. It’s my opinion.

BlandaRocked,

You’re closer to the truth than you think. They’ve found the tape. Madden is actually the Mad Genius behind the Raiders. He comes back in every few years and cleans up the messes Al makes. The Madden Cruiser was observed traveling between LA and Oakland the last six days making sure the Russell contract got settled. He now has enough staff to handle his video game empire so he can concentrate on us now.

All,

Anonymous’ attempt at naming our cheating was one of the funniest things I’ve read in quite a while. It seems he believes if they change a rule after you do something it’s cheating. He also seems to think that if a ref rules in your favor (Holy Roller) it’s cheating. Can you say “Tuck Rule” boys and girls…? I thought you could.

Whew! A lot of people to answer. Thank you Take for this forum. It’s been a lot of fun since I found it. I know I speak for everyone here (except you know who), you allow us to vent. We laugh, we cry, we – well never mind.

5:21 AM  
Anonymous H said...

McCowan did not practice. He's day to day with his finger and foot.

H

5:40 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

For some reason Kiffin remains loyal to McCown, despite the fact that McCown can’t practice and Culpepper is taking 1st team snaps. Is it that Kiffin doesn’t like Culpepper; is he so in love with McCown; or is he playing hide and seek with the gameday QB again?

Shanarat told Bay area press that based on pay scale, Russell should start for the Raiders. That’s actually stupid and insightful.

The Patsies’ cheating thing is extremely entertaining. Players and coaches on other teams (including well-respected players like Brett Favre) cite a significant advantage was gotten by an already talented team (and coaching staff), while players on the Patsies (and Sean “Raider Hater” Salisberry) see it as no big deal. Salisberry says teams should be smart enough to change their signals during the game, which may be true but doesn’t justify, nor should he condone, cheating.

5:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is my favorite part of Russell's Q&A from the press conference:

Q: Did it look like an offense that you recognized?

Russell: Yeah. I was calling some of the plays to my dad, and he was saying, ‘You weren’t there that long.’ But I was there long enough.

Psycho

6:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Some of you may already know about this, but it’s been posted on a Donkey message board for this week’s game (enter with caution because it’s very disturbing):

http://www.chargertom.com/RaiderHaters.html

Honestly, this is why we are America’s Team! People love to hate us... but what does not kill us will make us stronger.

9:13 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

if by chance russell is in shape, and is ready (later this season of course) and if we are out of contention i see no reason why he can't get out there taking real snaps. might as well get him some PT but most of all experience for next year. lets get our money's worth asap.

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