Wednesday, April 25, 2018

Draft Day Thread

I apologize for being an absentee landlord! Life is coming at me fast, but you are all keeping the lights on and I value the discourse, so let's keep it going. I may be short on takes lately, but I'm having fun reading yours. GO RAIDERS!


Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

NFL Network reporting that Green Bay is looking to trade up out of the 14 spot, and earlier today, Mike Silver reported that the Raiders may be looking to trade down for more picks. Could we see the Raiders swap picks with Green Bay and get an additional 2nd round pick?
Good to see you still checking the lights Take. I pray the life coming at you fast is a good thing, and not a bad one. JUST WIN, BABY!

2:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I prefer the Raiders stand pat at 10 I believe they will be assured of one of the following players at 10 but not 14

Vea, Ward, Fitzpatrick, Smith or Edmunds.

All those guys are 1st year solid starters. I know you love Josh Jackson but I do not think he is the caliber of Ward or Fitzpatrick or even Derwin James. If they do trade down I would like to see them grab Payne as he is not that far behind Vea


3:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Nate, Raiders could trade down and get Davenport but what does that mean for Irving? He was reportedly moved to DE, and you know he's a high snap count player. I think the Raiders need more help in the middle, where none of their previously drafted players has any pass rush. Ellis, Ward, Edwards, Vanderdose. These guys can't buy a sack.

Sandy, I kind of agree that I'd like to see the Raiders stand at #10. As deep as the draft is, somebody special could fall to that pick. However, I'm afraid of Edmunds due to his age and lack of experience. Raiders have drafted too many of these guys and they never pan out.

We will know soon!

RT, thanks for thinking of us and putting up a draft post. Hope all is well!

4:18 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Lots of chatter about Raiders taking Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame... maybe with a trade as posted by Nate above. Also, how high is the probability that Raiders draft son of Reggie McKenzie this weekend?

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Kolton Miller? With Tremaine Edmunds on the board? After Saints still Davenport, they got all stupid. What an idiotic pick....

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Steelers trade Martavius Bryant to the Raiders for a 3rd Round pick.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can relate to disappointment about not taking Edmunds or James. However, the fact they need a RT and soon a LT, the importance of the position in today's NFL it makes some sense. Combined with the fact they used the 3rd round pick from the Cards to get Martavius Bryant from the Steelers. Net net I am cool. Was anyone under the impression Edmunds was the second coming of Lawrence Taylor?

Let's be positive


7:26 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The problem Sandy, is that Kolton Miller would have been there in the 2nd Round, maybe even the 3rd. Not a top 15 pick. Again, the draft is about value of where you are picking at. Edmunds, Jaire Alexander,Derwin James, Leighton Vander Esch were all more valuable at the 15 spot. Stupid pick by the Raiders.
A lot of scouts compare Kolton Miller to Robert Gallery, btw.

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate I hear ya, it seems like he was picked too high, but I dont believe he lasts till second round. What do you think of the Bryant pick up.


8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never saw this one coming.

With all the help we need on defense and we draft a lineman WOW!!!

Should of drafted a punter instead.

And the circus continues!!!

10:06 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

No surprise the Raiders reached past talent level for another draft pick. That has been their history in the early rounds, since before McKenzie. There must be something in the water at Raiders HQ.

That said, they cannot miss on this pick. Kolton Miller has to immediately step in at RT and be groomed to be the Raiders next LT. Anything less will be another huge disappointment for Raiders' drafting... which there have been too many.

The guy is freakish size at 6'9", but at 309 lbs may have room to grow. He is agile for a big guy. This kid will either be a force or a flop. Hopefully, the former.

4:18 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO, Raiders made a huge mistake trading their 3rd rd pick to the Steelers for a player with him major drug concerns and will be entering the last year of his rookie deal. This draft is a deep with talent. Steelers picked this kid in the 4th round and he's apparently failed many drug tests and been suspended.

So after scoring a 3rd round pick from the Cardinals, the Raiders blow it, again!

Reggie is probably looking over his board right now for injured players who he thinks would have been 1st round talent. McKenize lives to be a bargain shopper but fails to see he doesn't get value from players that don't play.

The question now is; how high will Reggie reach to draft son of Reggie?

4:35 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

I liked the move of trading down for additional picks. But Miller has to be the LT for the next 10 years to make it work.

But then to turn around and trade the 3rd rounder for what could be a one year WR with issues, makes no sense to me.

So good move picking up the extra 3rd pick, but bad move trading it away. Typical Reggie draft, going in constant circles, never moving team forward.

6:56 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Remember the Raiders traded down to select Hayden, saying he was their pick all along, then selected Watson in the 2nd rd with what was compensation for trading down. Both players flopped!

This article puts a scary take on the Raiders early draft.

Defense should have been their pick, and they should have stayed at #10 or kept the 3rd round pick instead of giving it to the Steelers.

Honestly, the Raiders look pretty stupid right now. Miller better start Day 1.

7:14 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I agree with NY and Raider00 about Bryant. Talented WR when he can stay out of trouble. This could end up badly, like Aldon Smith bad.
I tried to sleep off my feelings, and couldn't. Kolton Miller is freakishly tall, and looks the part of an freakish athlete. But Bucky Brooks said it on NFL Network last night, "Apparently the Raiders didn't watch the film on him and see that he struggles with his feet, has below average technique, and has durability issues. You've heard of QB red shirting in college, well Kolton Miller may need to red shirt a few seasons before getting out there."
I don't think he plays, or even competes for RT at this point. I think RT belongs to Vadal Alexander or David Sharpe. He will replace Donald Penn, but hopefully not for 2 years. Again, this is just a bad pick. The next 4 picks after this are the kind of value I was expecting, Edmunds, James, Alexander, or Vander Esch. Edmunds and Vander Esch gives us a solid ILB. James and Alexander give us a ballhawk S or CB. I understand not taking a Safety, but not taking Jaire Alexander?
We have to get a good 2nd Round pick, not named Maurice Hurst (who has a heart issue). I think we should go Josh Jackson or Nate Sheppard (DT ranked higher than Hurst).

7:28 AM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Nate...I would just caution that Bucky Brooks is not the final word on every player drafted. He has his opinion which he gives after the fact, and that's fine.

But if Bucky Brooks is such an expert, he'd be running the draft for one of the NFL teams. I trust that Gruden, and even Reggie, know more about football than some talking head on T.V.

I like Mel Kiper, but he's been wrong many, many times over the years. And so has Bucky Brooks, I'm sure.

That said, this kid Miller better be able to block the Donks Chubb...LoL!!

12:53 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders traded down in the 2nd with Tennessee and got their 2 and 3rd round pick. With the 2nd round pick they select - PJ HALL! YES! This is a terrific pick right here! Everyone was beefing up Maurice Hurst, but PJ Hall is very comparable to Vita Vea. I love this pick, steal of the draft right here!

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Traded up in the 3rd to pick Brandon Parker (OT, N Carolina). He will probably compete for RT or LT. Its a good pick, better than Kolton Miller.

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nate, Give us some details on PJ Hall. He is a lot smaller than Vea, looks more like a Geno Atkins type size wise hopefully in other ways as well


8:58 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders interest in OT's IMO only amplifies their past mistakes at the position. They are loaded with tackles, yet they can't ever manage to field two decent ones. Kolton Miller reminds me of the Austin Howard experiment. Being bigger than everyone else is no guarantee of success. What little video I saw of Miller shows edge rushers running around him like he wasn't there.

The Raiders lack of confidence in Miller was so profound, instead of filling their plethora of other needs, they drafted another OT two picks after Miller. These guys will complete at RT with 2-3 others from past drafts who were supposed to man the position.

In the end, we could be right where we started; without a decent right tackle.

Shame on the Raiders for not using the 1st round draft pick on a sure starter!

I don't get why, year after year, the Raiders feel the need to reach for project players in the early rounds, instead of taking players that have already cut their teeth and shown they are ready for the next level.

Raiders are still channeling Al Davis. Somebody please remind me which Al Davis (or Reggie McKenzie) project player draft pick became a star?

This is another egg-on-their-face draft. One of the defensive players drafted after the #10 slot will probably be a star... and the Raiders, once again, took a pass for a guy the they think might have the tools to be "special."

5:24 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

He is 6'1", 310 lbs. So yes, he is smaller, but explosive. The player most scouts are comparing him to is Warren Sapp. Yes, Sapp was small for a NT, but he was muscular and strong, using his strength to explode off the snap. That is similar to how PJ Hall is. He finished with 86.5 tackles for loss and 42 sacks for his career, squats 700 lbs, eyeballs quarterback and mirrors his scramble for secondary sacks, he wasn't invited to the Combine, but his pro day numbers included a 38" vertical, 36 lifts and a sub 4.8 forty. Not too mention he has 14 career blocked kicks (Stats taken from Walter Football and

NFL says his only weakness is that he tried to put on more weight, and it affected him with fatigue, which tells you the weight he put on wasn't done right, and that he was from a small school. I had him #2 behind Vita Vea as DT/NT. He will compete for a starting spot, and will possibly beat Edwards Jr. Like I said earlier, think Warren Sapp (out of school and in his prime), and that is the kind of player PJ Hall is.

With that said, I'm not sure about Brandon Parker, I don't have a lot of info on him, other than what I've read (which isn't much). Here is what says about him:

Looks like because he was at a small school, his coaching wasn't enough to help him improve to be a quality NFL starter. So I think Gruden and Cable will help coach him to be one. He has all the tools, just not the knowledge to give him that edge to start. Seems like a decent pick, and again, I bet he competes for the RT spot, maybe even the LT spot with Kolton Miller.

Not impressed with the draft overall, but I am super excited about PJ Hall. Let's hope the rest of the day gets better. Still haven't picked up a CB or any Linebacker in this draft, 2 OT's, NT, and DE who has substance abuse problems. He played at LSU too. It seems like LSU produces players with substance abuse problems. What's the deal with that?

6:42 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Parker is reported to have never played RT, so he's strictly a LT in terms of his experience.

I think it's safe to say the 49ers really screwed the Raiders this year. Had the Raiders won the coin toss and picked ninth, they would have selected the kid the 49ers took, and they wouldn't have kept drafting the same position. This is a weak draft for OT, and the Raiders took two of them with their first three picks. That doesn't seem too smart. Too many intriguing defensive players in the first round to pick Miller.

IMO, absent a sure starter at LB, the Raiders have to be another step closer to signing Bowman.

9:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders trade up to take Hurst in the 5th. Probably a fair risk. If Hurst gets medical clearance and plays, he's first round talent. If he doesn't, well, the Raiders wasted another pick... at least it's not a first round pick.

11:12 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Hurst was a terrific value in the 5th, but it is worth mentioning that he weighs less than PJ Hall. Nick Nelson seems to be a good pick too. He had 42 pass defenses in his collegiate year, but no picks. He will probably be a slot guy that is comparable to TJ Carrie.
Marcell Ateman is also an interesting pick in the 7th round, a WR who is 6;5"! He doesn't have a lot of speed, but he will definitely be used in Special Teams, and red-zone passing situations. Johnny Townsend is a great pick up too, and fills our punter needs.
Kolton Miller, Brandon Parker, Arden Key, and Azeem Victor are all questionable picks to me. These guys are projects that are going to have to prove themselves. In actuality, all the draft picks will have to prove themselves; but these guys are going to have to work a little more hard to prove themselves. This was definitely not the kind of draft I was expecting. Not picking an inside Linebacker until the 6th round shows me that the Raiders are trying to reach an agreement with Bowman, and Edwards Jr is on the bubble of being cut. I'm most happy about PJ Hall, he's the most exciting player we drafted. Overall, I grade this draft a solid C. It can rise or drop depending on how these players perform. Bottom line JUST PROVE IT, BABY!

3:49 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

IMO the Raiders tried too hard to make something work. Almost every decision they made this weekend involved a trade. They were dropping back when they should have held, moving up when they needed to be more patient (accept Hurst... that was worth it), and trading away a vital 3rd round pick to the Steelers, who are still bragging about the value they received for a player in the final year of his rookie contract.

Wrt to the draft, I think Miller and Parker present the most risk. Can these guys play OT in the NFL or are they just more bodies to take up space on the roster with the rest of the OTs not named Penn? Miller has to play right away to make sense of selecting him mid-1st round.

But I am going to be optimistic that the Raiders strengthened their D-line. Hall looks solid and Key has upside, particularly with Mack showing him how it's done. Hurst was a solid gamble in the 5th round. He's been cleared once, and he sounds like he's ready to play. Let's hope!

Also, adding talent to the DL prompted trading Ward to the Cowboys for a returner. That's addition by subtraction. Ward was a project-player bust from another draft.

Victor's stat line reads like a rap sheet. Failed drug test, DUI, broken leg, leading to weight problems... Huh? Why would they draft this guy?

Raiders are weakest at LB right now. They need Bowman back more than ever.

Bowman is the QB of the D.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys be positive team is very much improved from last year. Here is one example Autry at 6mm cap hat vs. Hurst and Key at 1.1mm. Brilliant move

An Bryant is the real thing tear the top off a defense.


4:30 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's S&B take on Bryant.

"Bryant failed a drug test that had him suspended the first four games of the 2015 season. Then he was suspended the entire 2016 season from failing SIX drug tests! This prompted a rehab stint.

He returned in 2017 and then lost his job to JuJu Smith-Schuster and his response was voice his desire to leave Pittsburgh. For all that, the Steelers ended up getting a pick higher than they spent when they originally drafted him."

That the Raiders would trade a 3rd round pick for this kid was their worst decision of the draft, IMO.

But I think the Raiders may have saved their draft with taking Hurst in the 5th. Yet they have an insane penchant for drafting players that fall due to injury, off-field problems, etc.

This year's class includes about half their picks.

Arden Key (drug rehab)
Nick Nelson (torn meniscus; can't participate in off-season workouts).
Maurice Hurst (heart concerns).
Azeem Victor (broken leg w/weight gain)

Add Bryant to that list for his drug rehab and 1-year suspension.

4:47 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I was very opposed to any prospect the Raiders might draft Hurst with their 1st round pick, but I'm getting more and more excited with what looks like a 5th round steal. Watch any highlight reel on this kid. He's explosive and all over the field.

Hurst is the player the Raiders I imagine hoped they'd get from recent picks like Ellis, McGee, Vanderdose, Ward and Edwards.

Day 1 starter, barring any medical setbacks.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Raider00 said...

Ideally, Miller & Parker will be bookend tackles for next ten years.

Hall & Hurst will provide long needed pass rush up middle.

Key & Victor will help beef up a soft front seven.

Bryant will play great being in last year of contract.

And Townsend will make us forget we lost one of best punters in NFL.

Then again, No Reggie drafts have been ideal so far. We'll see.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Love that positive vibe. Wait until you see Key in action, I live South Florida and watch tons of SEC. Serious speed around the corner.
He is worth the risk because guys with this type of edge rush talent are very hard to acquire via FA


4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How comes Reggie loves drafting injured cornerbacks? This is like the 3rd or 4th one.


5:31 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, my optimism is tempered by realty. I didn't like the Raiders rolling the dice so much because it has not worked for them in the past. And they doubled down early on position drafting instead of spreading their picks, which seems to indicate they were not comfortable with their early selection(s). Should we be surprised they didn't pick two punters?

IMO, Hurst was a worthwhile risk, and they effectively replaced M King.

Focus has been Raiders draft picks on D, yet they used three early draft picks (1st Rd and two 3rd Rd picks) on offense. Trading a 3rd round pick for a one-year flyer on a troubled player in Bryant was terrible. The Steelers are the only ones that made out there.

But it is what it is, and only time will tell. Is this another 2014 draft, or is it every other year that's not 2014?

5:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I disagree on Bryant. There are very few guys in the NFL who are big play deep threats at 6'4 like he is. If he plays well they can be first to try and resign him or franchise him.

Otherwise big deal a 3rd pick other than Gabe Jackson whre has that landed the Raiders---Vanderoos, Sio Moore, Clive Walford, Calhoun. Come on man you would not take Bryant in a heart beat over those guys even for a year.

Troubled? The dude smoked weed the only people who care about that are the uptight nfl old ass owners. Looks like he has learnt his lesson. Not like he was beating up women etc.

Let's reach for the playoffs and a championship. That requires risks.


11:00 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, I don't make the rules. Bryant was suspended for an entire year. That places the Raiders at risk. No? Who's gonna babysit this kid to protect their investment.

Third round picks are not valuable only if you measure it against the Reggie's draft history. Plenty of WR talent in the 3rd round. Less expensive, and longer term.

Frankly, it's a bit ironic that for all the support you gave Reggie for dumping players on the mere thought they were asking for big contracts, and now you're ready to franchise tag this kid at WR... among the highest paid positions in the league... who has spent as much time suspended as he's spent on the field.

If the Raiders don't figure out Mack's contract, they will be franchising him next year.

Lots of work to do!

11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Okay I hear you I am getting ahead a little ahead of myself on the franchise tag to say the least. However, I gladly will take the risk with Bryant given talent wise he is better, than Watkins, Robinson, Landry, Crabtree etc.

Seriously though are you not of the opinion that the team is improved from last year? I stated in an earlier post that DL, OL, WR, DB is all measurably improved from 17.

What quality players have the Raiders lost? Autry sorta but I would rather take a chance on Hurst, Carrie a third cb at best and Melvin is better, King yeah he is great but 2mm plus for a punter? Amerson and Smith---good riddance. Olawale a FB, Patterson a great returner but not a good use of salary.

Gruden is the man. The Raiders are so lucky to have him back


12:45 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

There is more to the marijuana problems. Smoking is not the best way to use "medicinal marijuana". You have a better outcome of using cannabis oil in a humidifier than smoking. But there are 3 good resources out there that you can Google right now about how smoking marijuana triggers schizophrenia the longer you smoke it. You are starting to see troubling signs with NFL players' mentality that is being blamed on CTE. Even though CTE does play a cause, it is not the only cause; smoking marijuana and doing other drugs (i.e.-cocaine) are having their effect as well.
A lot of players like Barrett Robbins, OJ Simpson, Herschel Walker (who has claimed to be schizophrenic) and currently Johnny Manziel, who have opened the door to their life and mental problems they are talking about (bi-polar, manic depression, schizophrenia, etc) are all now being linked to smoking marijuana by the medical community, and not CTE. So it is not just the "Old NFL Owners" who have a problem with smoking marijuana, it is the medical community. However, the medical community is not against the use of medicinal cannabis in a different, much safer way.

Also, talking about who we lost. Carrie and Amerson were our best corners. Name one person currently on the Raiders roster who put up better numbers the past 3 years than those 2 guys. Raashan Melvin 2017-13 Pdef, 3 INTs, 10 games, 30 solo tackles. TJ Carrie 2017-16 games, 9 PDef, 0 INTs, 2 Fumble Recoveries, 70 solo tackles. Amerson 2017-only played 6 games, 14 solo tackles, 4 PDefs. For his 3 years with Oakland, Amerson played in 35 games, had 45 PDef, 6 INTs, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery, 123 solo tackles. In the same 3 years, Melvin's stats-33 games, 86 solo tackles, 20 PDef, 3 INTs. He is 28 years old. Amerson is 26, and TJ Carrie is 27. TJ's 3 year stats-47 games played, 134 solo tackles, 22 PDef, 2 INTs, 2 forced fumbles, and 2 fumble recoveries. Leon Hall 3 year stats-33 games, 80 solo tackles, 12 PDef, 3 INTs, 1 forced fumble. Shareece Wright 3 year stats-35 games, 115 solo tackles, 16 PDef, 1 forced fumble, 3 fumble recoveries. Are you telling me you are happy with having these guys over Amerson and Carrie? Are you telling me that you are more excited about the prospect of Conley (who has played in 1 game)? I'm not. I am more excited about Dexter McDonald and Antonio Hamilton. These guys can play, and they need the chance. I'm hoping Gruden gives them time, I thought benching these guys and letting Borders go was Del Rio's big mistake with the secondary.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Love ya bro man but you are not making sense. There is no proof of marijuana increases psychosis in fact the medical community is unanimous in that alcohol is worse for you. Sorry bro the culture wars are over, give it up. Trying to blame CTE on weed is ridiculous, do you work for the owners?

Anyway this blog is about football so lets get back to that. The stats you site are not very relevant in measuring a cb true worth. Do some research Melvin grades out much higher than Amerson or Carrie on websites like PFF not to mention Amerson wa smaking like 7mm. In fact last year Amerson got a 35 score on pff and Melvin an 85.7 look it up. Hamilton and McDonald seriously man, they suck?

Your insights more often than not are fantastic but you have been hating on the Raiders personnel since late last year---cheer up.


4:07 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Vadal Alexander has been suspended 4 games for failing PED testing.

5:31 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Sandy, I don't think you meant to direct your last post to me. My take is strictly about value. I'll back off some of the commentary and give this another shot.

Raiders traded #10 pick in the draft to the Cardinals for a 3rd (79) and 5th (152). The Cardinals desperately needed the Raiders' slot to draft a franchise QB and everything I've read suggests they should have paid much more.

At #15, the Raiders take a LT in a very weak OT draft class. Then, they trade up in the 3rd to take another LT from a small school. Gruden is quoted as saying Parker made an impression on him at the Senior Bowl... but Parker gave up two sacks in that game, and his man was regularly in the QB's face.

As talented as you thing Bryant is, he is a risk. (A) He has one year left on his rookie contract... meaning next year's salary will go up like so many Raiders players you were content to see leave this year... and (B) he has been suspended by the NFL multiple times, so he is at one-and-done status with the NFL. If you think the Raiders got value, go and read some of the Steelers blogs about this trade. They are glowing about it. Hopefully, Bryant isn't the next Ricky Williams in waiting. This has nothing to do with the effects of marijunana.

That said, they did get value from drafting Hurst, and I had no issue with them trading up for that pick. Also, Key and Hall are intriguing additions.

However, Nick Nelson is another concern. This kid sustained an injury like a month ago that may keep him from playing in 2018. And he's never had an INT. That's something the Raiders secondary needs to overcome.

I'm not trying to read tea leaves, only looking at what make sense. Perhaps the best move the Raiders made with their existing roster was to trade Ward. If I'm making a prediction, Parker will be the next Raiders' Ward.

4:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You make fair points that both tackles were a reach were they were picked. Particularly Parker when others like Orlando Brown were available. This is slightly mitigated by the importance of the tackle position and I assume the coaches not having faith in Ware, Alexander or Sharpe. I agree though if one of these guys is not starting this year it is troublesome.

Anyway my question to you and the rest of the group is given the raiders were 6-10 last year its not like the roster was so amazing. Do you not think the roster has been improved since last year. I stand by what I have written before that it is significantly improved at most key positions.


9:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

I have faith that Hurst and Allen will improve the middle of the Raiders DL, but mostly against the pass, which is why they were drafted. Without a true MLB (Bowman!), the Raiders may suffer against the run. (New LB corp may have better coverage skills...?)

Key is not as big and certainly not as experienced as Autry. Key brings high motor but he is undersized at DE and probably useless to the Raiders at OLB. He is strictly a situational player. Autry was a capable every down player who could protect the edge.

Nelson probably won't play in 2018 due to injury. The worst thing the Raiders could do is waste their IR designation for return or, even worse, keep him on the roster when he can't play. They have wasted roster spots like this many times, including since Reggie arrived. Remember, conversely, Raiders allowed a competent rookie CB to get snatched off their practice squad last year... at a time they had room on the roster and they desperately needed CB help!

So to answer your question, I'm not sure. I still need to see the FA CB's in action. Once upon a time, Amerson was a top flight CB while with the Raiders, and TJ Carrie was always consistent and durable.

Bringing back Nelson was a mistake, IMO, but they may not have confidence in a replacement.

12:36 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Derrick Johnson (LB, cut by Chiefs) visiting the RAIDERS today.

8:59 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Based on Johnson's visit, clearly, the Raiders know they still need a MLB.

Per S&B, Bowman had a Pro Football Focus player rating of 84.8, 11th best in the NFL compared to Johnson’s 77.3 rating, 33rd in the league.

In total Bowman had 127 tackles in 15 games last season between the 49ers and Raiders. Johnson had 71 tackles in the same number of games.

Bowman is the superior option.

1:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

This came from S&B Nation, citing Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook...

"I spoke to over 10 scouts, coaches and executives regarding Hurst. One, in a heated rant, labeled the selection “irresponsible” by the Raiders because of Hurst’s heart condition (which hasn’t been publicly shared) and hoped the talented defender would “never put a f--king helmet on again in his life.”

That sentiment was echoed many times over, with one head coach adding, “Only the Raiders would draft a guy who could literally die on the field from a known condition.”

Yikes! Is the kid clear or not? I think the Raiders have to know definitively. That may mean Hurst can (or should) never play football again.

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders sign Derrick Johnson

1:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

That precludes bringing Bowman back. That's a shame. Both guys are near the end of their careers but stats show Bowman is currently a better choice.

That said, Johnson is an upgrade to the current roster.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I am going to go a little your style on this signing. I would gladly pay Bowman 3mm more than whatever they signed Johnson for.

BTW do you guys read the Athletic some really good Raider coverage. Great piece today regarding a scouting report on Arden Key.

Good Weekend

6:54 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Indeed. Johnson has two recent injuries and is 4-5 years older than Bowman. This is penny wise and pound foolish... which, in a way, describes the Raiders entire off-season. Perhaps they are pinching pennies to pay Gruden his huge contract.

Raiders still have a chance to impress this off-season. Re-sign Bowman anyway! Let Johnson compete for a roster spot.

4:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raiders have a new place kicker... most likely.

Eddy Pineiro K, Florida

Most accurate kicker in the nation 2017, and most accurate in Gator history. Also, has a big leg. 75% kickoffs for touchbacks, and he is taped drilling a kick through the uprights for 81 yards (posted on S&B).

The added bonus: Pineiro and Raiders' new punter, Townsend, were teammates at FL, where Townsend was Pineiro's holder the past two seasons.

This seems like a no-brainer! Raiders were smart to grab Pineiro, who went undrafted.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

This weekend the Raiders signed 2nd rounder PJ Hall, TE Paul Butler (UDFA, Cal), UDFA FB Chris Williams III (Texas), 6th rounder Azeem Victor, UDFA's Marcus Baugh, Saeed Rashaad, Jason Cabina, Alexander Officer, Eddy Pineiro, Nick Sharga; and are working on their other draft picks (Key, Miller, Townsend, Hurst, and Parker. Also reports that the Raiders are still in the hunt for free agents Navarro Bowman, and according to Vic Tafur: possibly Kayvon Webster (CB, Rams), Kenny Vacarro (S, Saints), and TJ Ward (S, Bucs).

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Raiders released Elijah Hood yesterday who was claimed off waivers by the Panthers today. Best wishes Elijah, sad we never saw you play in a game. Just Win Baby!

2:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hood looked solid in pre-season games and, IMO, he should have been given a chance to compete. I didn't agree with bringing Lynch back, nor signing Doug Martin. Lynch can't catch and he brings too much attention to himself. Martin is almost certainly washed up.

Raiders could clear the decks and tryout many players to fill the RB position. They have, and continue to do this with other positions, like LB, CB, etc. But they don't do it at RB, a position with an abundance of young talented players out there. Many other teams have found success with this approach. And it worked for Denver for so many years.

3:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Are you moving on to Lynch hating now? We all know per your comments last year that you don't like him as a person.

However, he was the best player on offense last year or tied with Hudson. Furthermore, he is beloved by his teammates and looked up to and respected by the vast majority of players in the NFL.

I can't wait to see Lynch this year with a FB and Gruden's commitment to power
football. He will be getting 20 carriers a game.

NY, We welcome you onto the Beast Mode train when you are ready?

Happy Mothers Day to all the moms out there


P.S.Martin is rounding era in terms of $$$ who can be cut if necessary but Richard and Washington were crapy last year

6:06 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Hate is a bit strong, don't you think? I've articulated my points. Honestly, if Lynch is our best player, we're in big trouble.

Let me bullet point my casual observations which have nothing to do with me liking or hating Lynch.

- It took Lynch a half season to get into football shape, yet he often took himself off the field, and usually when he was on a roll... thereby, breaking that momentum.
- He managed to get himself suspended for a very stupid act.
- He is said to be a distraction in the huddle. Obviously, I don't know this for certain, but his personality lends credence.
- He can't catch. This is not a close call. He has stone hands for a RB, which makes him very one-dimensional.
- Due to his limited field time and one-dimensional skill, teams were able to key on Lynch when he was on the field.
- Compounding this, he is slow around the edge and not likely to outrun anyone under 300 lbs.

In fairness, here are his attributes:
- runs like a freight train and is very hard to tackle.
- secures the ball as good as anyone.

Those are two strong attributes, but I don't believe they outweigh all the negatives. My hope is that Gruden will have some influence over Lynch... but Lynch has a mind of his own and doesn't always take instruction (another fault I neglected to mention above).

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

CSNBayArea has the headline "Raiders sign present and future punter" after signing Townsend. I think it should read "Raiders sign present and future punter until he makes $3 million a year."
This was done after the Raiders released Josh Johnson (who I thought would be a better back up than EJ Manuel), and Colby Waldman (the punter they signed after Marquette was cut). They also signed to more undrafted players from rookie camp, one is a long snapper since Condo left.
Hard to tell what this season is going to be like. What we are finding out is the coaching staff lost the players last season. Downing never had control of the offense, and the offense didn't believe in his system. There were unresolved player issues, which is why I think Crab and King were cut. I think they told Gruden that one of them has to go, so Gruden let them both go. Now I will say PJ Hall and Hurst are an upgrade to our DT position. You watch, Hall is going to be like Warren Sapp. Dude is so stout, strong, and fast; those 3 things are going to make up for his size. That was an exciting draft pick.
My only issue is that Gruden has signed a lot of "vets" that have had injury problems the last few years (Jordy Nelson, Doug Martin, Derek Johnson, Rashaan Melvin, etc). Not sure that we really upgraded those positions. I am more excited about Martavius Bryant than I am Jordy Nelson. Nelson does have more reliable hands than, but he hasn't been right in 3 seasons. I think David Sharpe is going to be our starting RT. I would love to hear and see more from Shilique Calhoun (OLB), Treyvon Hester (DT), Antonio Hamilton (CB), Dexter McDonald (CB), Shalom Luani (S), and Obi Melifonwu (S). I think these guys were supressed under Del Rio/Norton, and will shine under Gruden.
With that said, here is how I think the 53-Man Depth Chart will play out:
QB-Carr, Manuel, Cook
RB-Lynch, Richard, Washington
FB-Keith Smith
WR-Cooper, Nelson, Bryant, Ateman, and Switzer
TE-Cook, Smith, Baugh
G-Osemele, Jackson, Feliciano, Kirkland, Silberman
OT-Penn, Sharpe, Miller, Alexander (Brandon Parker will be on roster first 4 games, then designated to Practice Squad)
DE-Mack, Irvin, Key, Carradine
DT-Hall, Ellis, Hurst, Vanderdoes
OLB-Lamur, Whitehead, Calhoun, Morrow
MLB-Johnson, Victor, Lee
CB-Conley, Melvin, Hamilton, McDonald, Golson, Wright
S-Joseph, Gilcrist, Melifonwu, Luani
LS-Drew Scott
Total: 53
Significant cuts will be Reggie Nelson, Breno Giacomini, James Cowser, Mario Edwards Jr, Treyvon Hester, Leon Hall, Seth Roberts, Johnny Holton.

7:30 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Some interesting picks, but don't underestimate Cowser and Hester. Cowser had a stellar college career and may be just getting primed for a breakout. Not the best athlete on the field but he can be a baller.

Hester might not stick only because of sudden depth at the position. Based on highlights I watched, looks like Hall and Key have a first step advantage. Both are incredibly quick off the snap. That will be a welcome change.

I think the Raiders should go with two QBs and let Cook go. He's not that good, and can't even beat out Manual for backup role. Let's hope Bryant can stay on the field.

I can't disagree with WR choices. I was hoping they'd clean house. Roberts and Holton are both decent but very replaceable.

Drew Scott? Raiders signed the Bears long-snapper to replace Condo. Kid had a better PFF ranking than Condo, but it's hard to say it was an upgrade... more of a youth movement.

Several fringe players there. Calhoun and Carradine are marginal at best. I sincerely hope the Raiders do better. Keeping Edwards and Hester would make more sense, though the latter two or more interior players.

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hamilton and McDonald over Nelson and Worley. I would like to bet you a plate of brisket on that one.

Enjoy the weekend

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Nelson is aging and wasnt very good last season. Had too many blown coverages, and looked lost. But so did the majority of our DB's. Worley is a tough one, but if it is going to be a fair competition, I think Hamilton has more of an edge over McDonald, but either one can put Worley out (if given a fair chance). All 3 are about the same height (6' and 6'1"), and I think you need good length to cover the slot, let alone outside. I think Worley can definitely make it, I just think Hamilton and McDonald deserve the spot just as much. All 3 guys are young, so if either one doesn't make the roster, I would like to see a trade and get some value.
If you want to know the truth, Worley lost the coin flips, and that is how I decided. :D

7:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I meant Nick Nelson not Reggie.

Have a good night

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Nick is still coming off injury, and I think he will be on the practice squad.

12:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

They are downplaying Nick Nelson's injury. But I read somewhere that he could miss training camp, possibly longer. This is McKenzie's M.O., signing and drafting injured players (or players coming off injuuy) with the intent of getting a deal. It usually works out about .001 percent of the time. Hurst falls into this category... so let's hope he bucks the trend.

3:55 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Ok, with comments today by Gruden, I am putting Nick Nelson back on the 53 man roster, and Melifonwu as the guy getting cut. When asked about Melifonwu by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Gruden talked about how he is only been seen in the training room, and hasn't participated in any of the team drills. Then he said,
He doesn’t look close to me at all, I’ll leave it at that. He doesn’t look close to me at all.”
To me that screams, "If he isn't at training camp, he's gone."
We also traded a future 7th round pick to the Jets for Christian Hackenberg (QB, played college at Penn State) to compete for a backup QB role. He has trouble hitting WRs in drills, and is known for taking out reporters. This guy is bad, and I doubt he makes the team. Hate to give up a 7th rounder for him.
Another potential change could be Reggie Nelson. From what most beat writers are saying, he played both safety slots in the 1st day of OTA's. So he may be sticking around, and if that happens Calhoun and Morrow may be on the bubble. Gilchrist and Karl Joseph were getting first team reps with Reggie Nelson, and Gilchrist was playing nickel CB with first team.
Levi Damien mentioned that Calhoun was absolutely owned by Kolton Miller today. Also said that Hurst was working with first team reps, while PJ Hall was working with 2nd and 3rd team. Mack is not at the OTA's, and Irvin said he hasn't spoken with Mack. Vic Tafur says he was impressed with Doug Martin, I think I need to see this video. I've never been impressed with Doug Martin.
Mychal Kendricks (LB) was released by the Eagles. He would be an awesome pick up for the Raiders if the $$ is right.

2:33 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Gruden did one of his famous QB camps with Hackenberg, so he's familiar with him. I think it's a good idea to bring in competition for the backup QB position. I would like to see Connor Cook get better or get cut. The status quo isn't good enough.

IMO, the Raiders have to resist cutting Melifonwu. They already have too much invested in this kid, with a high pick and rookie contract. They need to try and develop him into someone that can cover TEs. That's why they drafted him.

Calhoun is terrible. This was another wasted draft pick. If he makes the roster, the Raiders are in trouble. Worse, if all they throw at Kolton Miller is Calhoun and Carradine off the edge, Miller won't get any better.

Morrow, on the other, has shown glimpses of promise.

3:09 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Cooper has been lining up in the slot during OTAs and says 'he loves the slot'. This could change his career. He is possibly the best open field threat the Raiders have. It also says that Bryant and Nelson are top dogs at WR. However it shakes out, nice to know there are viable options.

4:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Finally you are coming around to the fact that threesome of:

Cooper, Nelson and Bryant

is considerably better than

Crabtree, Cooper and Roberts

I say Switzer is #4

soon NY I expect you to be singing the praises of the Hurst and Key draft picks.


5:54 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Lol, Sandy.

I posted early in the off-season that the Raiders should clear the field of last year's WRs. corps., also acknowledging that retaining Cooper would be likely and reasonable.

My wish came true, just not entirely as I'd hoped.

Nelson for Crab was a good start. Crab might be a better possession WR, but Nelson catches contested balls that Crab does not.

I still believe the Raiders reached for Bryant, and he still needs to stay clear of trouble before the Raiders capture any worth... keeping my fingers crossed.

Roberts is still in the mix, but is now fighting for a roster spot, as he should be.

Re: Hurst and Key, I have been upbeat about these guys from the start. My only criticism of Hurst was that I didn't want McKenzie to use his top pick on him because of his medical uncertainty.

That said, Gruden made the first pick, Miller, which was highly questionable. Miller is not a high first round pick. He might have been available in the 2nd round... Carr was!


11:33 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Mychal Hendrix (LB, Eagles) visiting the Raiders today. Says he will visit Browns next and make decision by end of the week.

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Just bustin your chops a little, thanks for taking it in good humor

I agree with you if Miller is not a pro bowl starting lt in three years the Raiders missed a chance to set up the D for years to come by combining the Key, Hurst, Hall picks with Edmunds or Derwin James.

What I am disappointed in was the sub-standard compensation they got from Arizona for trading down. I am willing to reserve judgement for the moment but if Miller does not work out then that mistakes is really compounded seeing as they could have sat tight and taken Fitzpatrick, etc.

Nate, what are your thoughts on Hendrix he seemed to fall out of favor in terms of playing time with the Eagles the last two years. However, a threesome of Johnson, Whitehead and him would be better than what we had last year?


3:49 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

The Eagles also have depth/competition at LB. Not sure if it was because he was in the dog house. I think he goes to Minnesota to play with his brother, besides the Raiders probably can't match $$. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he does show up in S&B

8:18 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Any one else watching the hype around mandatory camp thinking, "Wait until the pads come on, and the hitting starts"?
Every year, there is a lot of hype by the Raiders over these camps; and quite frankly, I'm not buying the hype anymore. Get the pads on, make the hits, and JUST PROVE IT, BABY!!

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear you Nate but the mere presence of Gruden is refreshing. First legitimate coach since Gruden. I also think the defensive backfield is improved. Most importantly they need to PAY MACK, just pay the man.

On another note I know you live in Austin do you ever go to Franklin BBQ or is too touristy etc. Where do you go for good Q.


4:33 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Franklin BBQ is good, but there are a few others that are better in my opinion. Black's BBQ is the best hands down, the Salt Lick is pretty close as well. Both are a little pricey, but well worth it. Cooper's BBQ and Stubbs BBQ downtown are both pretty decent as well. Cooper's BBQ is probably a better experience if you go out NW of Austin to Llano (the original place of Cooper's). I would put Coopers, Stubbs, and Franklin's on the same level.
For cheaper BBQ in the area, Rudy's is good, and so is Burt's (north Austin). They had a real good one in North Austin called Mann's BBQ, but it went out of business when the owner either died or retired. I haven't heard what has actually happened, but heard both stories that he retired, and then I heard that he died.
If you come to Austin, let me know, we can meet up somewhere. If it is during the season, I can take you to where the Silver & Black of Central Texas meets. It is an official Raiders booster club in Austin. Last season we had over 300 people meet at a restaurant to watch the games last season.

10:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

A suspension may be looming for Bryant. This was exactly my fear when the Raiders gave up a third round pick for him. This news comes from Vegas media, based on some speculation. However, Bryant has already been suspended for an entire year, so any suspension now would be indefinite. Borrowing something Nate said, Bryant could be the Raiders next Aldon Smith.

5:34 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

I saw this too. The story mentioned that it is unknown what the issue is, and if it can be corrected clerically. I guess we are about to find out. Good talent wasted on lack of applying his brain.

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for the BBQ post. I have been to salt lick ad yelp pics of Coopers look good. I am salivating for some Texas brisket. Next time I get to Austin we will hook up for sure.

Of course if you or any of the other guys here get to South Fl count on me for the red carpet treatment.

All the best

6:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Bryant apparently has not missed or failed a drug test. This looks like a false alarm.

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8:16 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

It is a shame when Greg Papa and Tom Flores are not allowed to finish their time with the Raiders while they are still in Oakland. Tom was kind of tough to listen to at times, stumbling over his words; but dude still has a ton of knowledge about the game.
Reading on Mercury News that Greg Papa was let go because of his outspoken disagreements with Mark, and chastising him with "This is something Al wouldn't do" statements.
The worst of it is that Papa will be replaced by Brent Musberger. Why? Dude is so boring to listen too, and ABC cut him out of the broadcast booth for college football because of it. Living in TX, and listening to the majority of the games online, this is going to be a nightmare. The only way it stays better for me is if they hire Marcus Allen or Rich Gannon to replace Flores, and keep Lincoln Kennedy on the sideline. JUST WIN, BABY!

10:38 AM  

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