Monday, April 30, 2007

Raider Take's Post Draft Hangover

1. My head still hurts, but in a good way. I'm stoked. I don't have a lot more to add to what everyone is saying about the draft. We are plowing the nasty thistles and rotting moss (pun intended) into the earth, creating fresh topsoil, from which will sprout new ideas and energy, resulting in a bountiful harvest of victory and righteousness while the Raiders Haters choke on their fields of weeds! Amen.

2. Funny how, at the very moment the mainstream media is grudgingly giving high draft marks to the Raiders (Fox Sports and Yahoo Sports gave us "A" grades, for example, and the guy at SI who last week said that the Raiders have "given up" gave us B+), one of our local scribes dipped into the wisdom well for this little pearl (thanks for the tip, BlandaRocked): "The Raiders drafted LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell No. 1 overall, but rookie coach Lane Kiffin -- getting his first taste of true NFL gamesmanship -- did little after that to distinguish himself running a draft board against the experienced big boys."

Translation: As always, I was going to write that Al Davis ran the team's whole draft, but it was a good draft, so I couldn't give Davis any credit, so I'll pretend it was a bad draft, and lay it entirely at Kiffin's feet, while reserving the right to blame Al Davis for everything in the future. Then, when Kiffin succeeds, I'll pretend I never wrote this, and say he's just like Jon Gruden, who curiously operated totally beyond the control of the owner who controls everything.

3. I love the fact that we addressed specific needs, like QB, TE, RB and DE. I still question Higgins at WR in the third round, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I hear he's a great talent and a special teams threat. It's not that I dislike Higgins, it's that I'm sick of our rival running backs ripping off 25 yards on 3rd and 6 at the worst possible moments. We need to develop some run stuffers, fast. Maybe Higgins can hit the weights, the forty ouncers and the pizza parlor and eventually play DT, too?

4. According to reports: "Belichick and New England officials apparently have been candid in apprising Moss that there will be a zero-tolerance approach, and that the kind of behavior he has manifested at times in the past will not be acceptable." Wow, what a novel concept.

5. It's still hard to fathom how many fans are dancing on Randy Moss's grave, myself included. I was taking out the trash tonight while on the phone, and I heard my neighbor, a fellow Raiders fan, hollering "Randy Moss! Randy Moss!" with his thumb pointing toward the moon. What next? A parade? Question: Can you think of a major superstar who came to a team in his prime (remember, he's several years younger than T.O. and Marvin Harrison), and subsequently produced less and aggravated the fans more than Moss? By the end, Randy Moss was absolutely reviled by the Raider Nation. What a legacy. I asked this question earlier, and someone suggested Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens might share similarly dubious honors. Well, I'm not sure Keyshawn was ever so universally reviled by his fan base as Moss was in Oakland, and I'm not even convinced he was ever true superstar. And while T.O. was hated in Philly, he produced, and I think the jury's still out on his tenure in Dallas. One common thread: the wide receiver position, which is unrivaled in its proliferation of divas. Even Ashley Lelie thinks he's brilliant.

6. Post Draft Hangover Haiku:

One party's over
another's just begun, the
Haters' jaws go slack.

225 Comments:

Anonymous TRS Keef said...

Nancy Gay is a blubbering idiot with, apparently, zero knowledge about the game of football.

Does this lady actually get paid?

8:52 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Moss to NE for a 4th rounder ? maybe Al felt he owed the Pats one for the Mike Haynes deal. Just glad Moss/quitter is gone.

Check out the video highlights of Higgins. The kid can play. Not just fast, a real football player he is.

We might as well accept it that the Raiders are going to get run on this year. Still have that big hole in the middle of the D line.

But it's ok. Kiff is looking at maybe 5 or 6 wins this year and to compete in every game.
It's the 2008/2009 season when the Raiders will step it up, after Kiff's 2nd draft, and Jruss has some experience under his belt.

9:30 PM  
Blogger kvn said...

RT-

I definitely can't claim to be happy about losing Randy Moss –– my favorite football player of all time –– but I'm satisfied that it HAD to happen. Anyway, the extra nine million dollars in cap space is enough to temper any misgivings, and I like the fact that Randy is going to a team he can thrive on. Coming to the Raiders took two years worth of stats off his career numbers. Of course, his legacy would have been much better served if he had comported himself in a classier manner, but you know what I mean. It's hard to feign enthusiasm when you're in the midst of realizing you made the worst possible career choice.

But, then, Randy was/is a bit of a primadona.

If you're looking for a player who IS a refreshing departure from the self-serving sports star, look no further than round 6 draft pick Oren O'Neal. This guy overcame all the odds in a way that's makes his story ten-times more inspirational than that Rudy Ruettiger kid.

9:53 PM  
Blogger kvn said...

Oops, I meant 5th round draft pick.

9:55 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Here is video on Johnnie Lee Higgins for all the doubters.

If nothing else, he'll pair with Chris Carr on returns... that's more than Alvis Whitted can do.

See ya, Alvis!

4:26 AM  
Anonymous TANK said...

GIVE IT UP RAIDER/LOSER NATION! YOUR RAIDERS SUCK NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE.
ITS FUNNY HOW YOU ALL LOVED RANDY MOSS WHEN HE WAS ON YOUR CLUB BUT NOW THAT HE'S GONE YOU DOG HIM AND ACT LIKE YOU NEVER LIKED HIM.
IF YOU COULD EVER GIVE A GROUP OF FANS AN OFFICIAL STAMP OF BANDWAGONNESS THEN IT WOULD BE YOU THE RAIDER FANS.....AHHH LOSERS!!!

5:08 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Dearest Nancy;
I just loved your latest column assessing the 2007 draft by the Raiders. The only thing that troubles me about your opinion is; how much it varies from your peers.
Oh wait that’s not fair ....they’re nationally
syndicated and are men. Oops.
I guess even though you’re a woman who never played the game, that this is a free country (Iraq is becoming one) and you’re entitled to express those opinions. Maybe one day Iraq will also have the same anti-discriminatory laws that allow women to hold jobs they’re not really qualified for, just because they’re women.
But being a women, I guess it’ll be easier for you to jump on the band wagon at the first signs of success this season by the Raiders, and chalk it up as your prerogative (as a woman) to change your mind and pretend you have no responsibility for opinions of the past.
Nancy, sweetie, do you ever check the Chronicles’ employment page to see if that Food section or Home and Garden writer position you originally applied for has finally opened up?

5:48 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00-
The best defense is a good offense. I wouldn't expect the Raiders to get "run on this year," simply by virtue of not getting a run stuffer in the draft. Once we produce on offense, teams will be forced away from their conservative game plans against us. Consequently, our pass D should become more important than last year. We're not without help in the middle, though, we just need to stay healthy and play sound. Repositioning Huff to FS and adding a solid SS (which we have on our roster in Bing and perhaps Peter Frampton) could also help.

I too was a little miffed by the Higgins choice, but (as Heartland says) far be it for us to know more about our needs and the quality of draftees than Lane Kiffin and the Raiders scout/coaching staffs. I would expect Higgins to make an immediate impact, at least on special teams. We should scratch our collective heads more as to why guys like Morant, Whitted, Anderson, Williams, Brayton and others have been unable to perform at a level to warrant their roster spot. I think some (ALL) of these guys need to be put on notice... it’s now or never!

5:53 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Bet you appreciate my sarcasm when it's not directed at you guys.

5:56 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

It's a little early to worry about not getting a run stuffer. There will be a few free agents looking for work come June 1st.

6:01 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's my 2 cents for Nancy Gay:

What is your love fest with Mandy Moss? He didn't drop enough balls and take enough plays off last year, you think the Raiders "should coach him?" Even the Pats put a "bad-attitude clause" in his agreement. Moss devalued himself from a 1st round pick to the a 4th round pick, and the Pats sign him for $17 million LESS than the Raiders owed him.

Looks like you're the one missing the point. Moss is a cancer! Maybe now that he's gone, you'll stop writing about what the Raiders should or shouldn't do with him and they can get back to football.

GET THE POINT!

6:07 AM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

Doobie, I want to reply to your comment in the last post.
The thing that excites me about draft JRuss, even though he could be a bust; is that Kiffin is a QB guy. He works well with QB's, and he's built his staff to help develop QB's. You cannot say that about any other coach in Raider history, including Tom Flores.
What I like about this is that it is a different look for the Raiders (minty fresh as some put it), and it is something that needed to happen back in the 90's under Shell's first regime.
I don't think Bush will play much this season. If he does it will be late in the year. Why? He's coming off 2 surgeries, which is why he dropped to the 4th Round.
I'm not worried about a DT, there are still some good ones who were undrafted (which is usually the case) and as mentioned before, June 1 cuts are just around the corner. Speaking of cuts, does anyone know who MLB Shelton Quarles may be talking to, after being cut by Tampa?
I liked the draft, just because of what could usually be concerns with a young QB, is the strength of the new coaching staff.
To Charger fan "TANK": I hope you enjoy Norv.

6:19 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I like how Tank The Mighty Chargers Fan says Raiders fans "all loved Randy Moss when he was on your club." Where have you been, Tank? The Raider Nation turned on Moss long before Sunday. I was ripping him last August.

6:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't be happier with everything that happened this weekend. Finally, no Moss! Even with JRock being too young to play much yet, I still have a real good feeling about this year. I get the feeling we'll have a solid 8-8 run similar to what Gruden did to start. We should be able to turn this thing completely around by '08/'09 if this continues. Plus it is good to see the KC offense fall appart at the seams, and Denver completely F up a whole draft and overspend in the FA market! Pretty soon here, the Chargers will be the only thing between us and a SB. And finally I feel like Norv's presence on a football field actually helps us! Here is a really good article on our new field general.

http://www.mercurynews.com/raidersheadlines/ci_5779061

Psycho

7:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.mercurynews.com/raidersheadlines/ci_5779061

Damn link doesn't work

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyway, add "061" to the very end of that link if you give a crap

7:44 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I've said this before and I'll say it again (but in a slightly different way). Kiffin appears to be successful because he directly confronts Davis, and will go toe to toe with him in philosophy, personnell evaluation, and managerial style. And that, my friends, is exactly what Davis wanted when he hired Kiffin.

I used to hear this from Madden and Flores all of the time. Davis doesn't want "yes men." You don't get better by listening to someone who always agrees with you. You get better by competition and confrontation. That doesn't mean that you have to make your disagreements public. In fact, you shouldn't, and when the final decision is made, everyone should be on board.

But, without exception, the best coaches the Raiders ever had were not afraid to take and defend their ideas to the boss.

And Kiffin may be better than Gruden. Gruden could get what he needed from Al. Gruden's only complaint was that he didn't think he should have to argue with Al to get what he wanted. Kiffin will be better, I think, because he enjoys the argument. That makes both Davis and Kiffin sharper, hence this draft weekend.

There are almost certainly going to be some rocky moments ahead for Kiffin. That's the nature of the modern NFL. But I am VERY encouraged!

9:28 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Walter "The Freak" Thomas is rumored to have signed with the Saints. It would have been interesting to see his ability, but perhaps his off-field distractions will continue... not something we need right now as we clean house of other former pains in the @ss. Plus, we don't need him destroying our OL on the practice field. How would that look?

9:45 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

DRAFT THE FREAK!

9:55 AM  
Blogger Doobie said...

Raider Nate: I'll repost my last comment here to keep the conversation going and also because I'm a glutton for punishment. I don't mean to come across as a complete skeptic about this draft...it's just that I'm not as minty fresh as a lot of you. I guess where RT is a mouthful of Altoids, I'm more of a singular Tic Tac right now.

Here's my previous comment again...

I'm sure I'm going to get bashed for this, but I also wasn't impressed with the draft. Unfortunately, I tend to lean more towards Nancy Gay's opinion, although not nearly as harsh.

JaMarcus was pretty much a given for the Raiders at the #1 spot, but "boom or bust" still hangs over him in my eyes. Let's face it...the Raiders haven't exactly had a good track history of developing QBs. When was the last decent one to come out of the system? Ken Stabler? I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone about Marc Wilson or Todd Marinovich. Brady Quinn may or may not have been a better choice. Hopefully Kiffin's program will be better than programs past.

Some of my beefs: it would have been nice to see some of these trades develop BEFORE the draft began. If the Raiders were able to dump Moss in the beginning, Calvin Johnson might have emerged as the #1 choice. And if the Raiders took Johnson with the #1 pick, then *they* might have been the ones who would have been in the Browns' position to trade up to get Brady Quinn. Think Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn was a steal? How about Calvin Johnson and Brady Quinn? But still...those are a lot of "ifs", so I won't dwell on it. What I do know is that, for the cost of a 4th round pick, the Patriots have just become Super Bowl favorites. How many other teams can lay claim to that?

Also, with Alan Branch on the board, they traded down to get Zach Miller who projects to be an above-average TE. Granted, they could use a good TE but they really need a run-stopping DT even more. Plus, Branch was a steal at the #33 spot. To have that kind of talent fall to them that could have filled a major positional need...only to have them turn their backs on it...amazes me. I only hope that the last-minute critics were right and Alan Branch turns out to be a bust after all. If not, this could be the greatest regret of the draft.

And, you know what? They don't need 18 wide receivers. I was busy during day 2 of the draft so I didn't watch it, but there had to have been SOME modicum of talent out there that could have pushed for a position at DT or on the OL.

Michael Bush in the 4th round might have been a steal, but it’s curious as to how many times he’s going to touch the ball with Lamont Jordan and Dominic Rhodes.

10:35 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

For those who have said that Russell will get fat and lazy, now that he's the number one pick, or that he lacks the desire for improvement.

"Such traits are what won over his new coach, Lane Kiffin, who said the Raiders researched Russell's background as far back as they could. What they found was a lifetime of leadership, a pattern of behavior that dispelled rumblings that the quarterback wasn't dedicated enough to improving his game.

"Here was a kid that on his own put together their 7-on-7 and team workouts in the off-season. He ran them," Kiffin said. "When a guy wasn't there, he called the defensive corner to get there. When a tackle wasn't there, he called 'em. He was the leader when no one was watching. That's what you want."

Here was a kid that also made national news in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in the fall of 2005 by turning his apartment into a small-scale emergency center. Russell's home became the safe haven for legendary musician Fats Domino, as well as for more than a dozen family and friends for a week following the storm."

With O'Neil and Russell, we are now building "character."

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My first haiku:

Few can bring him down
All will fear his character
And howitzer arm

Psycho

11:18 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Brilliant, perfect form, too.

11:26 AM  
Anonymous Kool-Aid drinker said...

I read that Nancy gay article yesterday and my blood began to boil....I couldnt refrain from sending her a nasty email (just to vent).

Her lack of football knowledge is utterly amazing. she calls Moses a "an underachieving defensive end". WTF! He was doubled teamed all year cuz in 2005 he was a beast.

In one sentence she says the 49ers drafted "high-character" players...THEN the next paragraph or so she says "They took a late chance on a player with character issues" does she proof read her crap filled articles???

Nancy Gay earns her job under the boss' desk!

12:04 PM  
Anonymous AllyOop said...

My JaMarcus haiku:

Perched on a nickname
Calm and unafraid, he waits
To unleash the rock

As far as Nancy Gay goes, she raked Moss over the coals for standing in the endzone with his arms down last year during the Chiefs game, allowing Brooks to throw that interception...

Other than that, she writes what she writes and brings the critisim down on herself.....

Ally

12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone else get the feeling we're going to trade or release L.Jordan? I think I might've heard Kiffin already compare M.Bush to Lendale White. The chances of Bush turning into the featured back this year is probably high with his catching ability and skill set. Rhodes is more of a change of pace guy. Fargas is cheap depth with good production and willingness to ride the bench. Jordan is the odd man out, dropping passes, not picking up LB's, and not hitting the holes quick enough. Plus he's not happy about the pay cut, and probably doesn't want to share more than 40% of the load. This could be the end of the weekly post-game soap opera as we know it.

I still like Jordan but how long is it going to take to see the potential show itself? Also, accountability is great, but I'm sick of hearing random confessions about not studying blocking schemes and 'I need to run better if we're going to win'.

I do like Bush a lot (in more ways than one:), he reminds me of J.Bettis, big guy with quick feet going north-south. One thing is for sure, this is going to be interesting.

Psycho

12:25 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

One of Nancy Gay's comments which struck me... She says that Josh McCown is probably very upset by being traded to the Raiders after he spurned them last year.

This just STUPID on so many levels. First, we don't know that McCown "spurned" the Raiders last year. What I heard was they didn't make him an offer. He chose the Lions because they offered him a better chance at competing to be the long term guy there. The Raiders were only looking for a one year place holder to develop Walter, with the possibility of Walter winning the job outright.

Second, when the rumors started that McCown might be traded to the Raiders, McCown went on every football broadcast show in the industry to say how excited he was by the prospect, even with JaMarcus likely coming in.

But this is all very typical of Nancy Gay. If you want to make a STUPID point, make up STUPID facts.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As always, I was going to write that Al Davis ran the team's whole draft, but it was a good draft, so I couldn't give Davis any credit, so I'll pretend it was a bad draft, and lay it entirely at Kiffin's feet, while reserving the right to blame Al Davis for everything in the future. Then, when Kiffin succeeds, I'll pretend I never wrote this, and say he's just like Jon Gruden, who curiously operated totally beyond the control of the owner who controls everything. " - Super Bitch, Nancy Gay

That's the only this she got right! Oh wait, that was RT.

Psycho

1:50 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

D@mn!!! I'm trying to get my FREAK on here, but...

As if Jermon Bushrod weren't enough, here is further proof the Saints now have one of the best personnel departments in the NFL.

2:03 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

And they even got a FREAKY DEAKY uniform # for 'em!!!

I'm going to hide under the bed now until someone tells me Thomas has been mistaken for a rogue rhino and shot with a Howitzer... cause he's gonna go BERSERKER on the NFL, baby!

2:06 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I like the quotation marks, Psycho! She might as well have said it.

Another funny thing about her McCown take, pointing out his sub .500 record as suggestive evidence that he sucks, she doesn't mention that those starts were for an awful Cardinals team and that every time he got some momentum, serial QB yanker Denny Green sat him down. A record of 9-12 with the 2003-2005 Cardinals was actually an achievement.

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea, but when are you ever going to need your DT to do a flip? once, twice in a season tops...

haha jk, damn I would've liked to have him

3:10 PM  
Blogger horsecollarjack said...

GAH! And it continued in today's Chron...David White must've only read Nancy's ludicrous take on the Raiders draft...

"That's why Kiffin thinks the Raiders' draft went just fine, even if they're getting panned by national experts for their body of work, with the exception of taking LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell with the No. 1 overall pick."

What draft cards are they readin'?

3:27 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Stick'em-
No question. The Saints turned over their entire roster last year and almost made the SB. Now they have found the missing link, a 400 lb gorilla affectionately named here on Raider Take as "THE FREAK, " aka Big Walt. He’s a very bad dude on a Devine mission; and if can keep his head above water (which isn't easy at in NO), the Saints will have something very special (the answer to human evolution).

Regarding McCown and his intention with the Raiders, it’s very clear. Just watch the video on Raiders.com. He wanted to be placed in a situation where he can compete, expressly acknowledging this is a “contract year” for him to shine. Dude has his head on straight, and he knows the drill. Based on what I know about him, IMO, he’s our Day 1 starter.

4:04 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

HCJack:

That's the problem with these bozos. They don't actually find out anything they write about. They just talk to each other. I haven't seen an analysis that gives the Raiders less than a B- for their draft, and the majority have been stellar. But White only knows what Gay made up - that the football world is laughing at the Raiders ineptitude.

4:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR-
It's more than the draft. Why just rate the Raiders on their picks? Look at the huge changes made in 48 hours time. Some writers are unwilling to lump the McCown and Williams additions and Moss (addition by) subtraction as part of the draft process. Fact is, those were integral trades made part of the draft.

Only time will tell, but I expect this to be one of the best Raider drafts in memory.

4:13 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Dear Mr. Greenjeans ~

Rating the draft (A,B,C, etc.) the day after the draft is an exercise in self-congratulation and mental masturbation by the mediots.

Basically what the "experts" are doing is grading teams for drafting in alignment with however the "expert" rated the players.

Which is to say, if you drafted like the "expert" says you should have, then you get an 'A' for following directions.

For instance, if the "expert" says Brady Quinn is a top 5 player...

and no NFL team drafts 'em...

until they get to pick #20whatever...

it is in the "expert's" best interests to go GONZO over the pick saying what a great deal it was.

The 'expert' will call it "a pick of great value" and so on... basically to cover the fact the NFL teams in general did not agree with the "expert" on the importance of said player.

Another case in point. Look at Aaron Rogers and what a great deal he supposedly was for the Fudgepackers and pick # 20something a couple of years ago.

Still waiting...

Brady Quinn may very well be sitting on the sidelines 3 years from now just like Rogers is. Who knows? Where is your "great value" then?

The truth is it takes years to have enough perspective to evaluate a d@mn thing. Everything else is lies concocted to have a story. These guys haven't even lined up on a Sunday yet, for gawdsakes!!!

5:50 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

True, Stick'Em. But giving the Raiders' draft low marks is even more absurd than rating it an A or however you want to quantify high marks, because general consensus and common sense suggests that we're much closer to the latter than the former, based on reasonable analysis at this point in time.

Additionally, she managed to put a negative spin on acquiring McCown (and her plan for our QB depth chart was?), and says it was "tough to blame" Moss for losing his passion. Wasn't tough for me!

I'm sending her home with some extra homework and an "F."

6:23 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Then take this guy out to the woodshed with Gay, 'cause he xeroxed her article and signed "D!ckey" to it.

In my opinion, we basically traded Mandy Moss for Mike Williams (yes, there were some 4th round picks involved, but this is the bottom line). We traded one problem for another.

Both are characters in their own right. Note: being a character and having character are two different things.

So the question is, does Mike Williams (as a former #10 draft pick) make less cabbage than Moss?

If the answer is "Yes", then we came out ahead.

But did you notice there really aren't any players who would be labeled "character risks" taken by the Raiders in this draft?

Methinks the character of this team improved this weekend. Since a lack of character has been the main thing holding this team down for the last four years, I give the effort to weed out the boneheads an 'A' for effort.

Now, just make sure we got the Iron Chef on staff to keep Russell, Williams, and Bush from getting too big for their jerseys, and we'll be straight.

6:44 PM  
Blogger kvn said...

Stick em: I think it's a wee bit misguided to say the Raiders traded "one problem for another." First of all, Mike Williams isn't a problem. If he doesn't work out, no biggie, but at least we lost Moss's HUGE SALARY!!!

7:00 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Didn't we get a potential starting quarterback along with Williams?

7:18 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

RT: Post draft hangover or buzz?

Heartland: This is one time where I sincerely appreciate your wicked, dry, sarcastic humor!

Ally: Love you Haiku!

BlandaRocked: You nailed the relationship dynamic between Kiff & Al. Whether the outside world belives it or not, the Raiders organization rises or falls on the collective efforts of the entire staff.

7:23 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Sorry that we didn't corral the FREAK but I will be keeping my eyes on him with the Saints. Any 373 lbs man who can do handstands, cartwheels, and front flips is worth taking a chance on. How would you like to be the center snapping the ball with the FREAK inches away? Get yer' FREAK on.

7:29 PM  
Blogger Toni said...

and now for something completely different:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_5783891


and the voice of reason:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_5791273

11:19 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

KVN ~ When I say "problem," I mean the Lions look at BMW the way we look at Robert Gallery. High pick, lots o' loot, no production to show for it. It takes some eating crow and signing bonus to let 'em go.

Maybe it's the scheme. Maybe it is the player. Maybe it is the Twinkies. Dunno. But there is a reason the Lions wanted to dump 'em...

I believe BMW's salary for this season is only $200,000. I agree with ya, this is a much better problem to have than a $10 million Mandy Moss problem.

The Raiders used to be like Ellis Island - gimme your tired, hungry malcontent players and we'll make something of them.

Unfortunately, the team has become more malcontents that players with character. Time for an enema.

3:55 AM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Anyway, there is a different cracker for every nut. Since Kiffin was WR Coach at USC for Williams, maybe he knows how to crack'em.

Don't forget though, BWM was part of the whole "Mo Clarett jump ship early as a sophomore" movement and had to sit out from football for a year for it. Jerry Porter had to sit out a year for his choices too...

Getting rid of Moss is like getting rid of a case of the clap. We are all glad to see it go.

But the question remains, how do we deal with the remaining malcontents who spend their days in coaches' doghouses: Joey Porter, BMW, Big Dummy Lamont, Courtney Anderson, etc.?

At least Kiffin has gone out and gotten replacements for these guys right off the bat; looks like he knows what time it is...

4:33 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Stick’em-
Moss vs Williams isn’t a fair assessment. We took Moss when he was on top of his game, i.e., on his prima donna pedestal looking down at the rest of the NFL (and paid dearly). We found Williams in the basement, but with known talent (and at no risk). Williams will have to play hard if he is to have any kind of a career. Conversely, Moss is a time bomb waiting to explode.

Pats will have to win and find a way to fulfill the “Randy Ratio” in order to keep him from imploding their team. Regardless, Moss will be the center of attention for better or worse. At least Williams doesn’t have his own radio show, which is known to cause diarrhea of the mouth.

As for malcontents and all players, IMHO put everybody on notice!

Dare’s a new sherif in town, an hid name is Lane “Reggie” Kiffin.

5:44 AM  
Anonymous TANK said...

Just for the record I am NOT TANK "The Mighty Chargers Fan"! In Fact far from it, as I am a fan of the team that ran the Bolts out of the first round last year. Yes, I am in fact a fan of the greatest NFL franchise ever "THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS". And yes we are the recipients of your what you've come to call "problem child" Randy Moss. My take on it is simply that he would be the idiot to screw this oppurtunity up and I'm honestly not convinced he won't anyway and if it happens he'll probably be bounced not just off the Pats but right out of the NFL because lets be honest if you screw it up here in New England then its not going to happen anywhere else. And lets be honest we know it'll be worth it cuz we already know all we gave up was a 4th round pick that your circus show franchise already screwed up and he'll never pan out, comforting feeling huh?????

Now this still brings us to the fact that your franchise sucks and that it will continue to suck as long as Al Davis has his finger on the button. Seriously when was the last smart thing he did for your organization ...oh some 40 yrs ago. When you have someone older than dirt still calling the shots then you have no shot and I'm just talking about the top dog. Honestly the best decision he'll ever make for your team is to step away....
Your personel sucks although I believe you have a quality head coach but other than that what do you have? Head coach doesn't throw or run for td's, he might be able to kick an extra point or 2.
Players forget it, your still going to be sitting in the cellar of the AFC West for years to come. Your so-called OAKtown shall be officially recognized by the rest of the NFL fan base as LOSERTOWN!!!

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike Williams seems humbled by his whole Detroit experience. He admits that he failed, and he seems to want to prove himself worthy of the NFL. I can see him having much success under Kiffin.....Again.

I just realized something though. Porter/Curry/Williams, none of them are burners. Kiffin's system relies on the X reciever being a cross-the-middle guy (Porter is ideal), and the opposite guy being a burner, running deeper routes. Curry has always been the ideal slot guy and that's where he's seen most of his success. It will be interesting to see how Curry will do at the Z position having to go against the top corners regularly. It makes sense with Moss gone, Williams has to be the slot guy of the 3 with his size(assuming he beats out the buss load of other guys).

Psycho

7:40 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Tank, you seem a bit defensive. So, let's get your final answer: Do you love Randy Moss right now, or not? Yes or no?

Nice try on the "40 years ago." The Raiders Haters are always exposed by their bad math. Two + two = 5 and Al Davis hasn't done anything for the past 40 years, except win the AFC West three times, advance to the AFC Championships twice and to the Super Bowl once IN THIS DECADE, and it would have been even better if the zebras hadn't gifted the ball to the Patriots in the snow (this is where you argue that it wasn't a fumble, exposing the other main affliction of the Raiders Haters in addition to bad math: blindness).

Lastly, don't tell me that Al Davis had nothing to do with the Raiders' recent or past success and that it was all Jon Gruden, etc. Don't even try to blame Al Davis for the bad years without giving him credit for the good ones, to call him the all-powerful meddling owner who suddenly has no hand in things when the team succeeds.

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Tank:

You talk with arrogance, exactly like the type of person that is used to winning contest by the fact of gratuity, have you ever won something by working hard?

Are you not tired of winning by the fact that most of your games are bouched and whenever the referees don't have any say so, you guys always end up closing the door on "your friends" the media, great example last year on the divisional playoffs against the Colts, your "coach" wouldn't talk to them after the trashing the Colts gave you.

raiderdecoachella

8:22 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Tank-
Thanks for the thoughtful insight. Why would a "Tuck Rule" fan come all the way across the country for Raider discussion? Could it be that you want our reaction to your recent acquisition? In a word... RELIEF!

It’s funny how the Patsies think they pulled one over on us, at no risk to their future SB hopeful. There’s a fundamental reason we only got a 4th round pick for Moss.... nobody else wanted him. We would have taken a slice of burnt toast. So, who really got shafted? And don’t expect the powers that be in NE to just dump him at the first sign of trouble. Cancer usually starts without symptoms. It’s an ugly and merciless killer of NFL teams. Just ask the Vikings, Raiders, Eagles, Cowboys, etc. But that’s what a patsy is. Just when you think you’ve reloaded, BANG! The gun goes off in your face. Sorry, it’s a harsh truth to accept. GOOD LUCK with that new weapon of team destruction.

8:32 AM  
Anonymous TANK said...

My answer to loving Randy Moss is "No I do not" I'm one who is not convinced that he's going to change his ways, BUT if Belichick and Brady wanted him as bad as their saying they did and then Brady was willing to restructure his contract to make it happen then...those are two people that myself and a lot of others have come to trust. So no I don't love him and we'll see what happens.

One of my best friends is a HUGE Raider fan and we both actually attended a draft party this past weekend here in Rhode Island where in fact your Raiders were the most well respresented team, having more people their than even Pats Fans so I will never question loyalty of Raider Fans having been around it a lot in the past. The team itself and decisions I will. There is actually a bar here that on Sundays or any gameday is turned into a "RaiderBar" and I've frequented it quite a bit again having a friend who's a big fan.

And I am not a fan of the Tuck rule but you did owe us one remember????

8:46 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico:

I think comparing this off season with last teaches us a lot about what happened in Shell II which should never happen again. I think Shell asked for, and got a free hand. He didn't consult with Davis or Lombardi, only with Walsh and Ryan. He became an island, and the whole season was about defending his decisions against public criticism. No communication with the front office, and none with the players.

This off season, everyone is involved with Jackson moving out Lombardi. What talents are we looking for? Who has those talents? Of those with those talents, who can we afford? Propose a problem, identify the solution, get it done. And since the decision was a consensus, nobody has to worry about defending themselves or their individual career on any one decision.

Stickem:

When Williams came two years ago, I hoped the Raiders would grab him. He's always been big. In college he played at around 240. But his talent was coming back to the ball, bailing the QB out of trouble. An old Raider tradition which has become lost over the years. Also, don't forget that Williams was forced to sit out a whole year. It was only natural that he wouldn't get back into the swing of things right away.

I think the Lions gave up on Williams and McCown too soon. They gave up on Williams, a #10 pick, in training camp. But that's the Lions' tradition. That's why they're the Lions. Hang on to busts forever, and toss developing players to the curb.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Tank, you are closer to being a Raiders fan than you know...Do yourself a favor, get it over with and make the switch. You'll love it, and we'll love you, and we'll all be one happy Raider Nation family. You want to be a part of a fan base that rocks your local bars and draft parties 3,000 miles away from team headquarters after a 2-14 season. You don't want to win another ring with a golden boy team owned by a paper products baron and coached by a bland genius, you want to live the Raider Way, you want to take the rebel's path, so that when victory comes, and trust me it will come again, it will taste that much sweeter.

9:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This reminds of the time I entered a physics theory forum as "KC Chiefs Fan" and mocked the egg-heads with my best impersonation of a slack-jawed hillbilly, who obviously didn't get to high school, and who didn't agree with Einstein's theory of relativity. Good times...

Psycho

9:26 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Tank:

Here's a clue. If we hadn't traded Moss over the weekend, he'd have been cut by training camp, and then you could have had him for free. But we'll take the gift of the 4th rounder, and the gift of the 5th you gave us last year for Gabriel (only to give Gabriel back to us). You guys got any more draft picks you want to give away?

And you say Davis is an idiot. Sheesh...

9:33 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Tank-
I think Raider Take is right. Search your true feelings. Come to the Dark Side.

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a classic case of 'Haterism' caused by consumption of too much Hatorade! The subject was overwhelmed by the fact that the Raider fans out-fanned the Pats fans in their own territory. Overwhelmed, and still angry over the loss of draft pics, and development of cancer, the subject decided to take it upon himself to bash Al Davis in a Raiders forum. A petty backlash that cannot fill the empty hole in his heart once occupied by pride.

Psycho

9:49 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Hatorade!? Love it. I'm going to steal that one (if you don't mind).

9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not at all! I use it on personal e-mails to people like Nancy Gay on a regular basis. Works great!

Psycho

10:01 AM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

Tank says "And I am not a fan of the Tuck rule but you did owe us one remember????"

Just what are you referring to when you say that pal? The Stingley incident perhaps?

Are you saying that our getting shafted in that game was payback for Tatum's hit on Stingley?

If you think that, then you're an idiot.

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bama7
I'm sure tank is referring to the penalty called on their lineman back in out first superbowl season (Hamilton?). We got a do over and Stabler ran it in for the score. It was a shaky call, but the tuck call was plain favortism by the ref that challenged it... from what I read the patriots didn't challenge it... the ref upstairs did?
As for Moss, we'll see. The dude never learned to run more than a fly pattern and use skill to outjump the defender. Shit doesn't fly as well now as he ages. Judging by that Indy melt down you patties should be doing more about that decrepted old defense... and ex-baltimore defenders usually don't do so well after they leave Raven World... ask Duane Starks & Hartwell, the latter whom, I think, Atlanta is cutting or has cut. Was supposed to be such a fearsome, great LB. Only in baltimore I suppose. Thomas is overated and overpaid. And after Moss has a decent year you'll be paying Thomas, Brady & Moss a large portion of your salary cap. Whatever happened to the old patties that could take cheap, unknown talent and put it in their scheme and voila, gold? Guess two spankings in the playoffs has you guys nervous and jittery... chinks in your armor.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Tank - Come out of the closet and openly admit that you LOVE the Raiders. The force of the dark side is pulling on you ...

11:39 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Bama7:

What Pat fans don't like to discuss about that 1976 call, is that Stabler was hit late on that play - and that wasn't called. The refs intended to give that one to the Pats because the late hit was worse for them.

12:09 PM  
Anonymous franco said...

i welcome tank! at least there's someone to rant at other than poor old heartland, who will have to eventually run out of the sarcastic and witty banter he blesses us with regularly.

nice to see you tank, i invite you to visit regularly and feel the joy as your blood starts to run silver and your soul goes black.

12:30 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Official Freak News:
The FREAK is on the Saints offical website. He supposedly ran a 4.9 40?

Go to this link & scroll down. http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3438

Get yer FREAK on siz XXXXXXXL

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

leave it to a CHOWD fan. what? you guys up in FAUX-BURRO don't have your own fan blog?
the pats suck. always will too. case in point was the snow job. after billechick and brady blew the ref, the ref blew the game for the raiders, and took the victory away.
the only thing the pats have going for them are their "new" uni's. at least those are better than they were a few decades ago.
were you a fan when they had that gay-looking dude, bent over ready to take it? or are you a bandwagon fan that jumped ship when they started winning?
must be nice to have "homers" like espn humping your team 24/7, only for them to shaft the media when they blow a 21 point lead in the playoffs, so they can "comfort" each other.
can't wait to play the pats again, and punch them in the face! you like apples? HOW DO YOU LIKE DEM APPLES? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know who REALLY sucks these days? The Chiefs. Man, it's always nice to see them fall appart. I think we'll take them out twice this year to begin our division dominance over again. It will take a while to convincingly put the Chargers back in their place, but the Chiefs will be a welcome start.

Psycho

1:21 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Psycho:

I really like the way our chances seem to be improving in our division. The Chefs have lost two of their best OL to retirement, so they have to rebuild their OL. They are also dumping Green (whenever the Chefs get a good QB they can't get rid of him fast enough), and they are unloading LJ.

The Donkeys spent a fortune on over priced FAs, and their 1 round draft selection is of questionable value. If they don't go down this year, they'll crash next year.

The Statics go 14-2 and then dump their HC. So they hire someone who might be a good HC for the playoffs, but has never shown a capacity for getting there. If they can get into the playoffs with a 7-9 record, Turner will get a win for 'em.

I think the only team to move up in our division this year is us. If we could go 10-6 this year, we could win our division.

1:56 PM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

let an old guy bail you out.

Tank was referring to a bad call in Oakland in the 70's that cost The (then) Boston Patriots a playoff game.
I believe it was a pass play with... Grogan?

2:14 PM  
Blogger kvn said...

California, and the Bay Area specifically, is the creme of this country. If the pilgrims had landed on the west coast, New England would still be wilderness.

Oh, and I hate the Red Sox, Matt Damon, and worst of all your contrived and obnoxious accents. Learn to pronounce the fuckin letter "r" before calling Oakland "Losertown," you miserable clam chowder-eating douche bag.

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blanda, agreed 100%. The Chiefs have failed to fill basically any of their holes and are about to be really screwed. Plus the O coordinator is gone, maybe he saw it coming! I do think they'll keep LJ, but all this talk about trades probably pissed him off. All I know is, I have a few friends who are Chiefs fans (sorry guys), and they're pissed.

The Donkos will get by for a while on their offense but slipped a little already with the stuff you mentioned. The Donko FA overspending is HUGE. I felt like we played it perfectly, getting guys at fair value and focusing on the running game. Al Wilson gone is big too, and who do they bring in? Some jackass 'aleged' rapist caught with 100+ extacy pills. Round of applause for Mike Shinyhand!

The Chargers will have the talent for a long time, but hopefully some of it was just an illusion created by an outstanding coaching staff which is completely gone. We came close a few times already so I have confidence there, but it will be the toughest test by far considering they have no holes and plenty of cap. Thank God for Norv though, we have a chance!

Psycho

2:23 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Tank ~

This one is for you, baby!

2:36 PM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

KVN Sorry but I'd have to disagree with you . California ain't what it used to be. I lived there in Orange County from 71-93 and I had to get the hell out .
Too many damn people ruining it. It's turning into a warmer version of the east coast. It won't be long until there are so many people and demands on the State government that the infra-structure will be neglected and LA, SD,and SF will be NYC/Boston/Philly type shitholes.
Laugh all you want but I moved to Kansas. NO traffic, Great people, lower cost of living, and affordable Real Estate.

3:01 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Heartland:

You left too soon. The population decreased dramatically after the dot.com bust. It's almost back to the way it was with the exception of there being too many damned SUVs.

I'm not so down on Boston, though. The biggest problem is that there's no sailing in the winter. And you can always catch Raider games now, no matter where you live. So, go ahead Tank, and give into to those dark side callings.

And I had it backwards. The supposedly bad call was a roughing the passer call. But the call that wasn't made was the obvious pass interference. Can't remember the Raider receiver, but I think it was Branch who was getting mugged by to Pats while heading up field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1976-77

3:13 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Stick'em-
That's absolutely priceless!

Sullivan was heckling Howie Long and the Raiders D the entire game. I remember reading after the game that Long told Sullivan "when my son turns three next year I'm sending him over to kick your ass."

That loss was very tough to take, but the images such as you've presented make it worth while.

5:50 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Well, not all the coolers at SI are filled with Haterade.

Here is one told from Mike Williams' perspective.

Funny, we remember when Joey Porter first had a meltdown as Mike Martz WASN'T brought in to coach in Oakland... apparently BMW had a meltdown when Martz WAS brought in. Be careful what you wish for...

Yet some of BMW's story sounds like the same ole tired "I'm not happy so I won't play hard" cr@pola we heard from Mandy Moss.

The difference is we can cut BMW at any time with no loss of face or $. Not so with Mandy.

I do believe in second chances... and I'll never forget BMW plucking the ball out of the air with one hand like he was pickin' grapes at USC.

5:59 PM  
Blogger Polish Wonder said...

Mild, Moderate, Severe or Profound....which level of mental retardation do you feel you must be in order to consider yourself an Oakland Raiders fan?

Gun, knife, toaster in the bath, ice pick through the anus.....which course of action should an Oakland Raiders fan take to end their miserable life?

One, One Hundred, One Thousand or None....how many people will lose money betting the Oakland Raiders will win an NFL football game this year. (Trick question, the Oakland Raiders are now the Cheerleading team for the Los Angeles Sparks, they don't play football)

6:23 PM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

ten thousand, one hundred thousand
or one million???? how many pollock jokes about polish wonders are there???

is a polish wonder; like? hey mister are you my dad?

6:40 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Did that guy just say he's been picking Polish sausage out of his anus all football season?

Now that's a REAL FREAK!!!

7:11 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Allow me to play Sherlock Holmes here...Tank rolls in and tips us off that he's a Patriots fan from Rhode Island...Someone with the handle "Polish Wonder" then emerges, spouting the type of crazy talk that you find in the textbooks of the FBI's serial killer classes at Quantico...Then yours truly clicks on our Polish Blunder's profile, only to discover that he resides in...Rhode Island!

Tank, is that you, buddy? Does schizophrenia run in the family? Is your other nickname Sybil? Or did you turn your friends onto this place because, well, the Patriots blogs just can't match the wit and entertainment value of the Raider Nation?

7:42 PM  
Anonymous RoundRockRaider said...

Take the following with a grain of salt because we have yet to see how any of our picks will perform at the NFL level, but I’d have to say that this may be our best draft since the team returned to Oakland.

For the first time in years it seems like we went in with a purpose, shoring up some of our biggest needs including the pickup of a potential franchise QB early in the draft, then spending some of the later rounds picking up players that have a great shot at making our special teams squad. If one of those late rounders happens to excel and become a starter on offense or defense, well that’s just gravy.

JRuss has weathered the storm of FUD that the media rolled out about whether he should be the #1 pick and now we start to see more of the stories about his quality of character that appear to match his physical skills.

Despite the knock on Zach Miller for not having the quickest feet, he has tremendous catching and blocking ability- and I personally would much rather have a tight end with those skills than just being a glorified wide receiver.

Quentin Moses should compliment Derrick Burgess nicely, giving us more than one credible pass rushing threat.

Michael Bush may just be the biggest steal of the draft though. I agree with some of the other posts that he looks like another Jerome Bettis. Right before the 4th round started I was thinking that it was too bad we had picked up Dominick Rhodes because it appeared like the Raiders had no interest in drafting an RB, and Bush was just sitting there. When his name was called, my shouts scared the hell out of my wife- but being a Raider fan herself, she was ecstatic when I told her what had happened.

Dumping Moss was a necessity. BR has it right that, had we not traded him, he would have been released and someone could have had him for free. I don’t think the Pats stole him- his value had dropped a lot based on his recent performance and lack of dedication. He may work out for them, but if he doesn’t, they run the risk of him bringing their whole team down with him. To me, that’s not a good gamble. The Pats are getting old, and the move reeks of a club desperate to take another shot at a Super Bowl before they have to do some major re-tooling.

McCown will do just fine as a starter- at least he’s honest about what his role is and what he has to play for. I’d much rather have an average QB that is young enough to be fighting for a big contract from another team than an average QB that is just looking for a job anywhere (looking at you Aaron Brooks).

Mike Williams- steal. When I heard he was a “throw in” for the trade with the Lions I was stunned. I’m really at a loss as to why the Lions can deem the guy a bust after just 2 seasons when he a) came out of college early and b) had to sit out a year before entering the NFL. In my mind, that makes the guy two years behind a normal player. They never gave him a chance. Now that he’s being reunited with his former coach from his glory days at USC, I really think that he is going to come into his own. And as others have pointed out, unlike the Pats picking up Moss, there really is no risk at all for the Raiders.

I know a lot of the fans were upset by the fact that we really made little to no moves to pick up OL or DT help, but maybe there is something more to read into this. Coach Cable made the claim earlier that we had tremendous talent already in our OL corps. Our draft seems to back up his statement. As to the DT position, I’m curious as to how much progression Anttaj Hawthorne has made since we drafted him. Remember he was originally rated to be an early round pick before he dropped due to a positive test for marijuana. Apparently, that type of issue doesn’t seem to be a big deal in this year’s draft, and I don’t think that hitting the ganj is going to diminish a DT’s skills all that much.

Minty fresh? Yeah, I’d say that the double-mint twins have put a down payment on a nice little condo in the East Bay, and they are getting ready for a long overdue celebration. I can’t wait until the next time I get to fly out and join them.

7:47 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Damn, dude, that was a great take! I've been meaning to ask: is that Round Rock as in Texas? I know a good Dale Watson song about Round Rock, Texas.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous RoundRockRaider said...

You would be correct, RT.

California transplant- moved out for the price of housing, and stayed for the awesome BBQ and the great people. Most folks in the area are die-hard UT fans and could care less about the NFL, but when the Raiders picked up Huff last year I managed to sway a few to come out and support the Silver & Black. Our performance last year made it especially difficult, but after our draft this year I've already been getting calls from friends about who's going to host the pre-season games. Central Texas will most definitely be friendly to Raider Nation if I have any say about it.

8:15 PM  
Anonymous Raider Nate 75 said...

hey round rock!
i'm off parmer and metric on the border of austin and pflugerville.
also a so cali transplant since 2001.

4:58 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Hey new Texans have you guys eaten the barbecue at the County Tavern in Kilgore(near Tyler)? I used to travel alot in Texas and it's by far the best in the state.

6:02 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Texas is Cool I used to travel nationally as a field service engineer for a medical equipment company(dialysis). One of the most unique bars I ever saw in the U.S. was in Texas. Unfortunately I was on my way to a clinic so I couldn't stop, but I got a good look at the place as I drove by. It was a bar out in the sticks off of a 2 lane blacktop that the sign outside said featured topless dancers, but what got my attention as I passed by was gunshots, alot of them, I slowed to see what the commotion was, and out back there was a bunch of guys drinking beer and shooting pistols at the range built in the back of the place. Now that's entertainment.

6:18 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Speaking of barbecue... in the early 80's when I went to the bay area I used to go to Everette & Jones barbecue off of Fruitland, I believe it was. I loved their hot links and ribs and their sauce was great too. But it was a hole in the wall.
I always stream KFSO off the internet and turn the sound off the TV during Raider games last year I heard Papas and Flores doing a spot for them.
Wow they came a long way .

6:46 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

In 2005, Everett & Jones at Jack London Square hosted the Raiders' radio postgame shows. The infamous "Skull Stabler" painting hangs on those walls.

6:53 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

Everette and Jones in Jack London Square??? Hard to beleive.
The American dream is still alive.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are making me hungry.

Psycho

7:07 AM  
Blogger Joseph said...

Dude best BBQ is Rudy's hands down.

8:17 AM  
Anonymous heartland raider fan said...

The Rudy's in Texas and New Mexico?
No way

8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stick'em:

Dude that picture of Matt Millen brings back so many memories, I remember this particular incident, that is so awesome, it brought chills down my spine.

You know I could never understand why Matt was released (he was released by Shityhand, right?) I taught that Millen was a bad ass just like Mattuzack, Howie and Rod Martin, he should have retired as a Raider, I know that he bled silver and black!!

Again thanks for that little time capsule.

raiderdecoachella

8:57 AM  
Anonymous TANK said...

I will never leave my allegiance of the of Best Frnachise EVER in the NFL "THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!" and offically consider myself RAIDERHATER #1

Now to ever even think that you owed us one for what happend at the hands of your boy TATUM is ridiculous, if you want my opinion on that feel free to get back to me.
I was in fact talking about your run to your first SuperBowl on what was pretty much a "BULLSHIT PHANTOM PENALTY" so yes in fact you owed us one, feel free to watch it and you'll see.

I feel sorry for you, for the fact your franchise is in shambles and there is no end in sight!
Al Davis was key word "WAS" great and DID <---past tense.. make good decisions, but those days have long past your sorry franchise by.
Until your team builds a solid upper management and has ruling majority over anything AL says then and Only then MIGHT your team salvage something/anything even.
You seem to be putting all your eggs in one basket with this new quarterback you've aquired and you shouldn't get your hopes up....
Fact is he's no Tom Brady!

Are you guys shooting for 3 and 13 this year?

9:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No end in sight" ?? We've had a tough 4 years but I strongly disagree they the Raiders are stuck being at the bottom. If you knew anything at all about the team you'd see that this is a team on the rise. We are finally pulling it back together, this much is abvious to anyone in the know. Every dog has his day. You're just ignorant.

You speak of going 3-13, well I'm calling you out. I DARE you to come back here at the end of the season and talk with us about this again, whether you're right or wrong. Bookmark this site. 3-13 or not these guys are always here and you don't have to worry about us not showing. If we go 3-13, or even close to it, I'll eat my words.

Psycho

9:22 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Yes, Tank is definately feeling the pull of the Darkside. He knows that acquiring Moss was the fingernail scratches of a declining franchise sliding down hill. The gravitational pull of a Black Hole is impossible to resist. Not even light can escape it.

Know this, Tank. Whenever the Silver and Black fall down, it always gets up again.

9:30 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here’s what likely kept teams at arms length from Big Walt “THE FREAK” Thomas.

”Thomas has a pending charge of conspiracy to commit robbery. In Mississippi, that's a felony. Per the New Orleans Times-Picayune, the indictment is still on file but no court date has been set.

The incident, which a league source tells us involved ski masks in the parking lot of a Sonic restaurant, got him kicked off of a junior college team for which he was playing because he had flunked out of Oklahoma State.”


For more, paste the site below and scroll down to the Walter Thomas article. For real amusement, click on the link to his myspace site. Gangsta Freak!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

10:28 AM  
Blogger TheFreakingPope said...

Psycho...Agreed.

We'll be here. Every season has it's highs and lows. No matter what, we'll be here next May discussing the draft and looking forward to training camp!

10:28 AM  
Anonymous LK said...

HA! At least Vladimir Putin has none of Al Davis's SB rings!

10:39 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

New post at BlandaRocked!

http://raiderhistory.blogspot.com/

11:33 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

I will never leave my allegiance of the of Best Frnachise EVER in the NFL "THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!"

If the NFL had only been around for 5 years, perhaps you'd be on to something.

However, since that's not exactly the case, here's a little history lesson.

http://dbsoxblog.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_archive.html

:-)

11:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Freak guy sounds like Darrell Russell. Might as well pay him in X pills, film for his camera, and free lawyer fees. His signing bonus can be 10 packs of cigarettes per month sent to Pelican Bay.

Psycho

12:23 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Thanks for the link, Toni. That's classic. I urge everyone to check it out, especially Sybil, I mean, Tank.

12:33 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

One last word to Tank ...

Tank: Enjoy the ride. The Pats have been awesome the past 6 years but as we all know, the NFL is cyclical. Here are the relevant comparative numbers:

New England (1960-present)
Regular Season Record: 350-349-9 (50.0%)
Playoff Record: 19-12 (59.4%)
Divisional Titles: 10
SB Appearances: 5
SB Victories: 3

Oakland (1960-present)
Regular Season Record: 395-300-11 (56.8%)
Playoff Record: 26-19 (57.7%)
Divisional Titles: 15
SB Appearances: 5
SB Victories: 3

So Tank... as it stands, we have a better overall record, more divisional titles, more playoff victories and the SAME number of SB appearances & victories. Don't choke on your own self-congratulations chowder boy.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Blogger Toni said...

blanda,

I so wish I could take credit for that, to be honest. But I saw the picture I believe stickem linked... the one of Matt Millen socking Sullivan and googled Matt Millen + Sullivan and came across the blog entry.

I was too embarrassed to admit I had no idea what the picture was about, but was intrigued enough to search around the internet.

I admit to following da Rayderz for a long time, however their sojourn to lala land is just a blur.

;-)

PS can you say bangwagoner?

3:53 PM  
Blogger Stick'em said...

Raiderdecoachella~

You asked about the photo of Matt Millen swinging on *Patsies GM Patrick Sullivan.

Here are the details as best I can remember (if you can recall other memories of this event, please feel free to add them in a comment):

On January 3rd, 1986, the *Patriots beat the Raiders 27-20 in a playoff game in LA.

Howie Long - who is from Boston - had said something about the *Patsies during the week leading up to the game. All during the game, the *Pasties owner's son, 33-year-old Patrick, was talking $h!+ to Howie about it in retaliation. Patrick was the *Pats GM at the time, 'cause daddy said so.

Anyways, after the *Pats' "W", the bozo ran up to Howie and kept talking smack as the players were leaving the field...

Matt Millen, tired of hearing from a little punk who could run his mouth only because his daddy owned the team, clocked little Patrick with his helmet.

Some *Pats PR guy named James Greenridge jumped in the middle of it and saved Sullivan from being beat down further.

The incident is famous 'cause it happened in the playoffs so someone filmed it and the NFL reviewed it.

Patrick's dad, owner Billy Sullivan, made 'em sit in the stands (not on the field) from then on, so Pat was like any other spectator as far as his credentials and ability to get on the field. Kinda like making your brat son go sit in the corner, no?

Far as I can remember, Sullivan needed 12 stitches above his eye and wore a bandage at the *Pats next game. I think the NFL came up with a rule in that offseason explicitly stating something about it being illegal to use your helmet as a weapon, but my sticky neurons are a little fuzzy on rules and such.

The *Patsies were demolished in the SB 46-10 by Da Bears.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Polish Wonder said...

I do have to state, Tank did "enlighten" me to this blog for Raider Nation, but he and I are not the same person. We just admire the odd and ultimately, entertaining folks that reside themselves to be a Raider fan.

We are from the same town, we are friends, but no matter what the reply is, we hate the Raiders.

7:58 PM  
Blogger Polish Wonder said...

Hey Tank, look at all the effort that poor lil Calico J put into his entry. Makes me sad...so sad, because they have to resort to overall history to relate to a current conversation.

I don't care much for having to search for data and having to crunch numbers to prove a benign point. Let't keep the conversation current.

Pats = Wins
Raiders = Losses (in grand fashion)

Pats = Players with minimal jail time.
Raiders = Players with minimal....well....everything...skill, talent, drive, intellect, willingness to not shit themselves.

Pats = Winning leadership with goals of championships
Raiders = Clinically insane owner with goals of NFL broadway show.

Pats = Fans that cheer their team for making a touchdown, gaining a win, going to the playoffs
Raiders = Fans that cheer for the best face paint design, sharpest shoulder pad spikes and players that don't fumble their waterbottles while on the sideline.

Pats 2007 = Can hold their heads up with pride winning another Superbowl.
Raiders 2007 = Can hold their remotes in their hands next winter while watching the playoffs.

8:08 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Polish Weiner Boy:

I know its awfully tough on your lil noggin to do all that BIG number crunching since you barely got your GED.

It also makes sense that you don't want to talk about the COMPLETE history of both teams because then that would include trivial things like, you know, winning percentages, playoff victories, etc..

You most certainly don't want to compare the Hall of Fame list either do you, wonder boy?

You want to keep the conversation current? I'm fine with that. As I said in my previous post, the Patsies have had a great recent run. Check. I understand and give credit where credit is due.

But don't mistake this recent down turn of the Raiders as the end of the discussion. We will rise to glory again. Unlike the Patsie fans who know a good bandwagon when they see it, the Raider Nation is the most loyal fan base in the world. Deal with that Mr. Polish weiner boy.

9:38 PM  
Blogger Polish Wonder said...

Most loyal fan base in the world???? The Raiders????

The Raiders have not had two good back to back years SINCE I graduated high school back in 1994. By good, I mean higher than .500

(Yes, I know about 2000, 2001 & 2002, but I assume you want to forget about years that you attained NOTHING for their efforts...especially after the "Tuck")

Also, I don't care about accuracy with the facts...I mostly make them up to suite my rants.

But as far as loyal fans....I dare say Red Sox fans and .....cringe....Yankee fans have it all over the Raiders....nevermind Packers fans....hell....even the LA Sparks have more intelligent fans...as at least the women win games with some form of talent instead of a bumbling, half-drugged, recently out of prison silver & black player fumbling or falling into the opponent's endzone from time to time.

Hell, anyone can put paint on their face and drink a lot and speak/yell incoherently...most team's fans specialize in that behavior...doesn't make you or them special.

4:10 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Polish Weiner Boy - Your ignorant rants about the same old BS 'getting out of jail, face paint'...blah, blah, blah" are getting old. Go get your shoe shine box, mmmkay Patsie boy. Maybe you & Tank can work on some QB/Center snap exchanges.

7:36 AM  
Anonymous TANK said...

So you can tabulate and calculate all the stats of your team if you'd like....but to even compare them with the Patriots is just absolutely obsurd! Simple fact is that the Patriots franchise has attained the same amount of championships as your team has and the Pats have have done it in a much sooner fasion...hence winning 3 Super Bowls in four years. We can still remember all 3 like they were yesterday when in fact your last ONE was When.....some 20+ years ago. Another fact is that we're primed to add another 3 while your team couldn't even be priviledged enough to lick the sweat off of the Patriots jock straps because your going the wrong way....
At this point 99.8% of your fan base can't even spell S-U-P-E-R-B-O-W-L never mind ever seeing one with your team in it....not in this or next generation anyway!!!
And when you are in it you'll just get blown out and morbidly embarrased anyway....John Gruden's the Man!!!!

I'm calling it 3-13 and thats giving you LOTS of credit!
Feel free to get my attention when you feel like rooting for a real team and know football.
Your all fake anyway, you loved Moss and Gruden when they where there but when they left everyone of you all claim you never loved either one of them which is pure bull and just shows the true imaturity of "Raider Nation"
Stick to battery throwing at the Collseum..... you've taken losing to next level making it an art form in fact! Done! "LOSING NATION"

8:41 AM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

1960 to 2001 ... 41 straight f'n years of Patsie ineptitude.

2001 to present ... In the Tank & Polish Weiner Boy change gears from their beloved Soxs to join the bandwagon Patsie Nation.

How are those QB/C snap exchanges going? Are you guys working on a silent count?

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