Sunday, May 23, 2010

Analysis Through Rose-Colored Glasses

Following is a Guest Take by H, a familiar voice at Raider Take:

The current make up of Raider Fans across the nation and the world seems to be divided into three main camps. Those who, after seven years of frustration, are saying “Oh yeah, prove it, not going to fool me again.” Others are crossing their fingers and holding their breaths waiting for the other fumble to hit the turf. Then there are the infernal optimist seeing each season as a new opportunity for our return to the top if the dog pile that is the NFL.

This may finally be the year of those infernal optimists, or at least the start of the climb from the abyss.

Even though the current coach has produced only 9 wins in 28 games, there seems to be a different feeling in the air surrounding the off season, draft, mini-camp and the first OTA. Even many of the nay-saying experts were very complementary of our draft. Well, except Mel “Don’t Touch My Hair” Kiper. He didn’t see the value in drafting Rolando McClain at number 8. We even received kudos from known Raider Hater Tom Jackson and ex Raider coach John Gruden. The Raiders even drafted the player everyone was predicting. One Bruce Campbell, except he came in the fourth round and not the first.

Since Tom Cable assumed head coaching duties during the bye week of 2008 the team has gone through a major makeover. Gone are malcontents and locker room miscreants. This began with the release of highly paid, but frequently burned cornerback DeAngelo Hall, continued through a quiet offseason in 2009 with no major signings of highly paid free agent veterans on the downside of their careers. The culmination of this purging came with the release of Jamarcus Russell. He may yet be a serviceable NFL quarterback, but in his current state he is too high maintenance for a young team.

In the 2009 draft, first rounder Darrius Heward-Bey has yet to pay any dividends, but middle round selection Louis Murphy may be one of the steals of the draft. Good hands, runs good routes and is a tenacious blocker downfield who doesn’t give up on a play. Just ask Zach Miller. Brandon Meyers appears to finally provide the depth needed at tight end and is a solid blocker freeing up Miller for more involvement in the passing game to help move the chains and provide rest for the much maligned defense.

The biggest splash on offense thus far came in the draft day trade for Jason Campbell. With all the talk that the Raiders should jump in with both feet in the McNabb sweepstakes, in the end the Raiders may wind up getting the best of the deal. In November McNabb will be 34. In December Campbell will be 29. Campbell comes less expensive than either McNabb or Russell.

Further, much was said about Russell having multiple OC’s, multiple play callers and a turnstile offensive line. In four years as a starter in Washington Campbell had different OC’s, play callers and a turnstile offensive line virtually every year, yet his stats improved in every category every year.

Hue Jackson has been brought in to run the offense. He likes the two headed running attack approach and has had success developing quarterbacks and receivers. Do not be surprised to find out he was pushing for Campbell. If you read a paper or watch a TV in Baltimore, you get all the Redskin news also.

There is an old adage in football that says if you want your team to win, build it with winners (or something like that). You get players who know how to win. This was the approach used in this year’s draft on the defensive side of the ball. The Raiders first two picks were Alabama’s defensive captain and Texas’ best defensive lineman. The two teams that played for the national championship.

Prior to that, at the beginning of last season Richard Seymour was brought in to stabilize the defensive line and provide veteran leadership to the defense overall. He still has more than enough in the tank for a couple more Pro-Bowls.

The defensive backfield is rounding out nicely with Nnamdi and Branch. Huff seems to have found his position. Johnson, while a bit inconsistent, is an upgrade over Hall. Walter McFadden is a little light to help against the run, but he is a solid tackler with decent cover skills and should be the regular nickel back by mid season supplanting Stanford Routt in that spot.

In looking at these positives you have a team with talent and potential, sprinkled with All Americans from winning programs. Add some veteran leadership (Seymour and Campbell). Stir in a stable coaching staff with the addition of the OC previously mentioned and a DL line coach who has coached two lines in the Super Bowl. Mix well and you have a recipe for optimism.

The Pièce de résistance could be the age of this team. The average age of projected starters is roughly 25 years on both sides of the ball.

When taken as a whole there seems to be some planning and thought to the process of the last two seasons. And while we have had only 9 wins since that fateful bye week, three of the five wins last season came against two playoff teams and the defending Super Bowl champion. The other two came against division rivals. A must if we are to climb back. While our newest quarterback beat us, we beat the one that is replacing him in Washington.

With all these positives many are still entrenched in arguing who did what and when and who is responsible for the decent into hell and who is, or should be, making the decisions to get us out of that hell. Continuing to beat dead dogs as Cable would say. He wants to move forward, but the media seems anchored to Russell more than he is.

It’s been said, “It’s amazing what you can accomplish if you don’t care who gets the credit.” Perhaps that is the guiding principle Tom Cable and Al Davis are working under. Alameda seems content to ignore rumors and just plug ahead these days. If this is so, and it translates to the field and the win column, we may be in for a pleasant ride the next several years.

So, with rose glasses firmly in place and a glass 73.1% full of a rich porter, I look forward to September and a return to the top of the dog pile.

Thank you, H!

203 Comments:

Blogger PantyRaider said...

Re-Post From The End Of Last Thread:

"CJ"....

Hell....I'm still waiting for "CJ" to prove "J-Mac" was the Raider "Beat Writer" back during December of "01" after he said I wouldn't know "Cold Hard facts" if it bit me on the ass...Guess his ass would hurt if he had to bend over and admit I was correct and his bashing of my post was not...

Oh! Well...Wednesday night at 2:00am here in "PP" I will just have to ask him myself and post his reply here...

To "J-Mac"...

Question: Someone posted your recent article about why Gruden would not return to OakTown as proof as to how Al was refusing to give him a good contract...When I went back in your posted archives the oldest one is July "05" and I can't find anything before that point from you covering the Raiders...Also in those old posting it appears you were speaking to/reporting to "KC" fans so I would like to know when you began covering the Raiders and when you became the Raider beat Writer.

Can we get a Drum Roll here.. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..........

Follow-Up Question: When you posted info regarding how the contract was delivered without the same authority and back loaded money was that from personal knowledge while covering the team or according to what was written/spoken/reported by others...

Here is my problem with this whole line of thought...Had Al given this authority to have complete control of the "53" man roster while still retaining control over "FA"s -n- the Draft it would have resulted in "Veto Power" in the hands of Gruden...Essentially the "HC" would have the power to send any "FA" or Draft Pick packing and any and all guarantee monies would still be the responsibility of the owner...Now forgive me for being naive here but why in hell would Al Davis ever consider doing something like that...I have to believe something here is amiss or not reported correctly...

PantyRaider...Where Is Rod Stirling When I need Him!!!/_

Now I will read the "New" thread...

Oh! Gee! From the title it may be directed at some positive posters around here...How can we bare it all...Oh! da Horrah!!!

7:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

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7:56 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

What can I say...Very nice...

Sorry I polluted it with my "Pre-take" before I read what was said...My Bad...I could delete but I'm not afraid to bare the shame for my mistakes so leave it as an example of "Jumping To Conclusions" which is something we are all guilty of from time to time...

I'm in agreement with most everything and like how it was developed and presented...But as usual there will be something to disagree with so here is the only thing I saw...
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In the 2009 draft, first rounder Darrius Heward-Bey has yet to pay any dividends,
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Again I will state that at the time he was drafted it was as a "Role Player" and not as a "Possession Receiver" which is what "CrabAss" was projected to be...While I understand the disappointments I also understand what was wanted when they drafted him so high...

I'm NOT going to argue that he was worth the #7 pick in that draft...I can't...I didn't want him and was disappointed by that selection but will live with it and try to look for how it pays off on the field regardless of the price...

He did the job he was given to do last season...He consistently drew the double coverage away from the other "WR"s -n- "TE"s -n- "RB"s and kept the "DB"s deep so we didn't face so many "8 in the Box" alignments...It failed to pay good dividends because we failed to take advantage of the situation that was created by his play and failed to get him the ball on any consistent basis...

This season that could change and so could his perceived value...He has reportedly been working hard to develop his pass catching technique and improve his rout running...If he accomplishes that and the new "QB" can take advantage of what he brings to the table his value will skyrocket even though he may never put up the great #'s associated with the top "WR"s in the NFL...

Cliff Branch was a damn good "WR" and deserve to be in the "HOF" with his side-kick Freddy B....Branch created situations with his speed and deep threat that made it possible for Freddy B to do so much damage...They worked very well together and we are trying to re-create that situation here again today...

Cliff Branch 4th rd pick 14 seasons

Receptions 501
Receiving Yards 8,685
Touchdowns 67

Fred Biletnikoff 3rd rd pick 14 seasons

Rec: 589
Yds: 8,974
TD: 76

If it works some of us will all be celebrating the success while others will continue to beat that "Dead Dog" and talk about wasted value instead of opening their eyes to the reality of life on the "Grid Iron"...It's a "Team Sport" NOT a "One Man Show"....



PantyRaider.....Right-On "H"!!!!/_

8:42 PM  
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8:47 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

We have a mediocre QB, mediocre oline, mediocre RB's and Wr's and an avg defense with a poor scheme. Throw in a mediocre HC and an unproven OC and a yesman for a DC. H, your bubble has been burst.

JONES

10:08 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Something for the "Old History" Buffs...This is great stuff though regarding that "Snow Job" in "NE"...

With pics and vid...

http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/pages/
history02.html

"NE" Had 27 Sec left -n- No "TO"s But Had Time To Clear The Snow For That 45yd "FG" To Tie The Game....

Why can't I find footage or explanations for this...

PantyRaider...Gruden Was 0-3 In The Last 3 Games Of The Season...Same Time As he Was Refusing To Sign A Contract Extension -n- Players Were Claiming He Was Laying Down On Them!!!/_

11:42 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

Well written H! Thanx...

8:43 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Nice work, H. Here's a treat for you.

What would you rather have? A QB who can sit on his ass and throw the ball 70 yards, or one who can do this?

http://alturl.com/stea

9:57 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Well done, H. Even for an eternal optimist, you have your moments. Of course, this doesn’t change my perspective, but I see a lot of the same improvements (on paper) that you see.

I’m still very concerned we have not adequately addressed the OL for 2010. Also, nobody really answered my question about why we selected a top rated DT at the beginning of the 2nd round and moved him to DE. Now, we still need a DT, but we’re loaded at DE.

Here’s a couple other observations on the fly.

Was the release of DeAngelo Hall before or after Al Davis talked Javon Walker out of giving him back the $11M guaranteed?

(Hall made the fatal error of suggesting to the media he should have taken more of Davis' money.)

Of course, we did pay Heyward-Bey a big contract to be our top draft pick.

“The Raiders first two picks were Alabama’s defensive captain and Texas’ best defensive lineman. The two teams that played for the national championship.”

See my question above....

“It’s amazing what you can accomplish if you don’t care who gets the credit.”

As long as Cable believes that, he and Davis should be fine.

Cheers!

10:19 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Weird. The column recognizes 9 posts, but the comment page only recognizes 7.

10:50 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I tried to post before, but it didn't take.

Nice post, H. Here's a treat for you. Would you rather have a QB who can sit on his backside and throw the ball 70 yards, or one who can do this?

http://alturl.com/m6im

10:53 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Take...

Twice I've tried to post a YouTube of Campbell. Both times the post disappeared. Is there some sort of filter removing YouTube links?

It's a nice video. Campbell takes two footballs, and has two receivers run straight down field on fly patterns. He throws up a rainbow over the middle, then trows the other on a clothes line, striking the other ball in flight, causing both to deflect at 45 degree angles into the hands of the two receivers.

11:16 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And now one of them is back. Something weird is going on, Take.

11:16 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

NY, the reason that Houston is being converted to a DE is because that's his natural position. He only played DT his senior year. Also, he's noted for stopping the run.

My feeling that the DE conversion is not a complete conversion. I think they want him to be the DE when the slip into a 3-4. A DE in the 3-4 is essentially a DT.

11:45 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jonesy,

"I never said Cable is a lousy coach, why do you continue with your disinfo campaign? I stated he is just an O-line coach posing as a HC. He isn't a top quality NFL HC, simple fact.."

I was referring to your opining about him as HC. That's his CURRENT position with the team. Double speak doesn’t cut it. And, what are you using to back up that FACT?

He inherited a team in turmoil, laced with malcontents, holes everywhere he turned and a quarterback who, it seems, requires 24 hour babysitting. I don’t think we’ve seen the results of his HC capabilities yet. He had to put the ship in dry dock for a refit first. This season will be the shakedown cruise.

Then there is this:

“So there, now it is your turn, but, of course, I don't expect a reply because the "crew" can't do that.”

Ok, you got my answer, it’s up there on page one complete with names, players, draft results, coaching changes, position upgrades. I see a trend and explained why. Where is your complete detailed analysis that shows why I should be devoid of optimism?

Oh, wait. Here it is:

"We have a mediocre QB, mediocre oline, mediocre RB's and Wr's and an avg defense with a poor scheme. Throw in a mediocre HC and an unproven OC and a yesman for a DC. H, your bubble has been burst."

All I can say is WOW, what a mediocre response.

So, that's the best you got? It seems to be your standard response. It comes about as close to actual analysis as a Moped to a BMW 7 series. They both got wheels, both got engines, but a huge difference in horse power. You’re becoming a cliché.

Show me and the rest of us, not just the crew, your backup for Marshall being a yes-man. Why should we just take you word for it? And, do you ONLY bring in “proven” OC’s? So how do they then get the chance to be an OC? Just asking? And, I suppose Mike Waufle is just a mediocre DL coach. Oh yeah, Paul Hackett is just a mediocre quarterback coach.

Sorry, but the bubble remains fully inflated. After all, it is my bubble.

Gary,

It's fun.

Panty,

Even if DHB is a role player, and I would argue that’s an expensive role player, for his role to be successful he needs significantly more receptions than he put up. So the dividends I spoke of haven’t materialized “yet”. The door is still open and perhaps the change in quarterback will help. Washington didn’t have what I would refer to as a top 10 receiving corps, but Campbell put up some decent numbers in multiple years.

I was more touting the “steal” of Murphy than the current shortcomings of DHB. The jury is still out on him for at least this season.

Having a quarterback who will make his reads and get rid of the ball should help both the receivers AND the offensive line. The line doesn’t have to hold their blocks five and six seconds and the receivers can run their routes and expect the ball when they come out of their breaks and not have to run in circles while the quarterback holds onto the ball.

NYRaider,

Thanks, yep even Mrs. H says I have my moments. Enough to keep me around for 36 years or so.

Hall would have been after. And, paper us usually where things start, so we may get on the same page yet (pun intended).

For Houston, his size and quickness translates to a guy who can play anywhere on the line. It also allows some 3-4 alignments. He is about the right size and attitude for a 3-4 end. While Cable has not said they are switching, his says there will be some surprises. But, we still need the anchor in the middle for the 3-4 to be used on a regular basis. That’s my best guess. He also started out as a running back and did play some DE. He’s a little light right now to be an every down DT but has a major league attitude and motor.

I also see them using some stunts and switches with him and Seymour to confuse the O-Line blocking schemes.

Blanda,

I saw that video yesterday. Pretty neat trick.

H

11:45 AM  
Blogger H said...

Sorry for the length of the previous post, but I wanted to answer everyone's questions.

H

11:46 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Also, they will play him on the strong side, lined up against the OT and the TE.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

Nice work H!
I think I can add another fan outlook to your post though. It is a combination of two (out of the 3) that you gave.

I stand in "the infernal optimist seeing each season as a new opportunity for our return to the top if the dog pile that is the NFL;" which is why we have new seasons, to do just that. To give hope for our team that we can build up from the past season to improve.

But the way the last 7 years have gone for the Raiders, I am also in the "Just Prove It, Baby" crowd. I cannot remember a time in Raider history where it has felt so horrendous for so long. I mean, at least in the mid to late 90s; we were somewhat competitive.

So while I am optimistic going in to this season that maybe, just maybe the Raiders can turn this around; I am also in the attitude of "Just Prove It, Baby!"

1:15 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Well said, Nate. I think that's the best I've heard frustration articulated on this site.

While I basically maintain my faith that the Raiders can still turn this thing around, the fact that the level of talent took so long to address, that it took as long as it did to resolve the coaching carousel, and the length of time it's taken for the Raiders to again develop their own players...

I'm not as certain as I was that I know what "Commitment To Excellence" looks like. But I think that's what I'm seeing, and I think I can even trace it back a couple of seasons.

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that we won't be doing "Keystone Cops" routines on any kind of regular basis. I also think it's going to be fun watching Campbell and Gradkowski compete after watching JRuss last year.

1:58 PM  
Blogger H said...

Nate,

"I cannot remember a time in Raider history where it has felt so horrendous for so long. I mean, at least in the mid to late 90s; we were somewhat competitive."

That's why my glass always contains porter, amber, red or stout, not necessarily in that order.

BTW, I have a small wager with Father-in-Law of H that Jason Campbell will out play McNabb.

Washington did virtually nothing to upgrade their run game. Trent Williams is a fairly good tackle, but he's a rookie and who will be the running back.

H

3:07 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

I can remember two things coming out of last years OTA...

1. How horrible ALL of our QB's looked.

2. How amazing Schilens was performing (basically the only bright spot.

Now this for this years OTA's:

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The 2010 minicamp, on the other hand, was much sharper. There was a sense of urgency through all the drills. There were very few balls that hit the ground. (Cable had counted six in his final statement on minicamp) Each quarterback had that many botched snaps the year before. There was no longer the feeling that this was a team destined for immortality on the next edition of football follies.
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And that's with Schilens being sidelined as a precaution.

I still don't see where all the negativity should be based.

Our QB's are already playing well, and we might even have an old-fashioned shootout for starter after Gannonkowski returns!

I still think Schilens will have an amazing year this year. Not sure that is something H mentioned in his writeup.

3:26 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

A couple of other points...

Also Nick Miller looked very good at last years OTAs and camp (as both a receiver and return man). He was injured before the season started, and while many here choose to complain he was kept on the active roster all season, I, for one, would like to see if that will carry over to this year.

Also Watkins showed up at the end of the season when Gradkowski and Frye took the snaps. Remembering that DHB went down when Gradkowski came in, I'm betting that at least some of DHB's problems were due to Russell. Notice the whole receiving corps got better when they sat JaMarcus down.

Also, just because we picked up our two additional O-Linemen in the 3rd and 4th rounds we shouldn't discount that they may improve the line this season. Picking up O-lineman in the 1st round is the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of O-linemen in the NFL DID NOT get drafted in the first couple of rounds.

I'm really curious to see what Hue Jackson brings.

4:28 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Nice job, H. Pour yourself another porter.

The 2010 season is a very important foundational bridge year for a young team.

Besides wins and losses which I always view as the ultimate barometer, I'm looking for smart, spirited, consistently competitive football.

We all know it when we see it. The 1999 team is a perfect example. Yes, it was an 8-8 team but you knew we were on our way based on how hard that team fought and how that team was consistently competitive week in and week out.

6:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Funny thing about speculation. It's high risk. Relying on Schilens, Nick Miller and a patchwork OL is exactly what got us in trouble last year.

The Raiders' inaction at WR and short-term OL help could be the kiss of death... it certainly was last year, along with other variables.

When "it's always something," that's usually the mark of a team that doesn't plan well. No contingencies.

Last year, we held not two, but three injured WRs on the active roster (Walker, Schilens and Miller). There's NO excuse for the Raiders to have maintained Nick Miller, an undrafted rookie FA, on the roster for 16 weeks before putting him on IR.

If personnel management doesn't improve, we might as well expect more of the same this year.

It's just another variable that the Raiders need to improve.

6:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"....Re" "JC" Vid...

Would be nice if he hit them while still running in stride but at least he hit his targets quickly on the deflection so why do I want the whole world...Because it's there...

"RT"...

I had the same problem last night so I deleted both post when they finally showed up...I figured it was due to my long distance communications but now not so sure...


"NYR"...

Not sure because like you I live outside the normal viewing area but as I remember Miller had a shin problem that they expected to heal quickly and allow him to return...Later it became evident he would not be ready so the "IR"...

Now another thought here...Speculation...On "IR" the player can no longer practice with the team or attend meetings...They could not get him to the practice squad without clearing the wire which was a risk...So they kept him on the roster and gave him time to develop until that roster spot was needed....Clever way to hide the player and his salary was very low so the only cost was who they could have signed in the mean time...

"JeFat"s roster spot was arguably the biggest waist and I was still pimping him...Go figure...

"H"...

We don't disagree...I just post more value in "DHB" the "Decoy" than you and contribute his lack of production to the combination of problems at "OC"/"QB"/Scheme/Gameplan/Adjustments/Development which have now all been addressed...He had few opportunities as I remember from what little I was able to see from my long distance perch...I was in Cali as of 12-10-09 and left again 2-20-10 so that was a very limited view...This season I plan to be around sometime in September for about a month so will get to see something substantial I hope...

Raider00...

Similar thoughts but I was seeing progress last season in regards to how the team was playing carried over from the last half of the "08" season when we beat 2 teams out of the "PO"s...We again helped knock off the "MuleHeads"...So although the record didn't show it I for one was starting to feel a little better and now like "H" am getting intoxicated on that "KoolAid"...

PantyRaider...Glass Full If I Stop Drinking It!!!/_

Refill Please...

7:38 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>

If personnel management doesn't improve, we might as well expect more of the same this year.
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I haven;t gone and looked yet what RT predicted.. or if he has made one (I expect not) but what are you thinking next season NYR?

One, maybe squeaking out two wins next season?


Or do you think it will be 0-16?

8:40 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

>>>>
Raider Take said...

Unlike you, Gary, I don't make predictions in the absence of information. Sorry.
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Ahhh. I was correct.


What information are you fucking waiting for you slimy piece of garbage?

You have the same information as the rest of us... either quit acting like a soothsayer or step to plate you whiney little titty baby.


And no, I don't want to hear you whine about name calling... you are a pathetic piece of garbage here.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous gary said...

(repost)

Whiney little titty baby BRAGS here:

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Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, I don't mind being wrong, it just hasn't happened a lot lately.
>>>>

Right after saying THIS:


>>>>
Raider Take said...

Unlike you, Gary, I don't make predictions in the absence of information. Sorry.
>>>>


What a pathetic piece of living filth.

Man up, or fuck off RT.

9:01 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Maybe that's why I haven't been wrong much lately, Gary. Not jumping to conclusions, adapting to the information provided, etc.

Think about it.

P.S. You're starting to sound unhinged.

9:43 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Gary...

I find it interesting that on virtually every other board in the Raider Nation "Fans" are willing to step up and voice their "Opinionated" predictions of where this team might be able to finish according to our schedule...Now befittingly that doesn't usually happen until the complete schedule has been posted but that's certainly not an issue today now is it...And who's to say that it is beyond reason to adjust such a projection later as things develop further...

This insecurity was also evident prior to the draft when most "Fan"s posted their desires and their predictions of who the Raiders and every other team would take in rd after rd as an exercise to see who could get the closest on boards throwout the country while evidently the hierarchy of this board had "Insufficient Evidence" although he had as much info as any other "Fan" in the country...

"Virtually Uninformed"...

"BR" was that man on this board...I was in the ball park but off on the mark because the "CB" had already been taken off the board and the "DE"/"LB"/"S" were my alternatives while leaning towards the "LB" noting it would be a position NOT already chosen by another team prior to the 8th pick...I have absolutely no way to prove that had the "CB" still been there that he would have been our pick...

So in retrospect while looking forward I would have to speculate you are apparently correct in your assumptions until proven otherwise...

PantyRaider...Only Men "Man-Up"!!!/_

9:45 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Jeez, can't you even get properly outraged?

Here's exactly what I said just 24 hours ago:

"If we have a good training camp and look solid in preseason, I'll be optimistic for eight or more wins.

If we have a training camp and preseason like last year, then my outlook will grow more dim."

That is my outlook right now, and yes, PantyRaider, it is not beyond reason that it will change with the information provided. That's precisely my point.

Sorry, that's all you're gonna get from me right now. I don't make bold statements or predictions in the absence of information.

Unlike Gary, I don't scream for a GM in January, then scream at those who want a GM in April.

10:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Hey gary, why don't you fuck off, this is his take, go get your own and then you can post to yourself. What a freakin arrogant prick. Your mental illness is poisoning the internet, get off.....

Raiders win 5-6 games this season. Not one "crew" member has stepped up and guaranteed playoffs but they boast about predictions....what a scum"crew".

JONES

11:27 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Kool....I failed to see that post...

Nice to see you stepped up to the plate and swung at it...I was beginning to think you were a complete "Woursp" and afraid to go on record about anything that could be viewed as a mistake later like your track record was something to preserve...Right!...

But why did you fail to post any resembles of a prediction relating to the draft...Or did I miss that too...

Well...Except for claiming that Al will fuck it up again as usual...

"eight or more wins"...

Now is that really possible for a record setting double digit 7 season loser like us without a "GM" having never made a legitimate "HC" search being run into the ground by some old -n- feeble rigid archaic owner who is constantly meddling into everything and won't let his coaches do their jobs while he continues to throw mountains of money at worthless "FA"s with obvious character issues...

Such a turn-around in only one season???...

PantyRaider...Now I've Heard It All!!!/_

12:06 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT" Said...
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I don't make bold statements or predictions in the absence of information.
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Now that one was really funny...

Excuse me but that's the essence of being a "Raider Fan" and living outside that "Cone-o-Silence"...

We are always operating in the absence of info...Only in retrospect do we have conclusive evidence of anything and many times that is also tainted by whomever it is who is reporting...Such as the "Mediot"s -n- "Zebra"s twist things to fit their own agendas as do some X-Players/Coaches who want to make a name and get attention...

"Sapp's Yap"...Is there anyone here who gives any credit to what he declares...Or would you spend much time listening to the "Rat" with any tendency to believe what he says...Lombardi "da Mole" who continues to try to leak info with a twist..."JawBone" Hanson would most certainly be a damn good source of info now wouldn't he...Hell...The police -n- the NFL can't even bend his testimony to have any merit and make a case...

"RT"...I think it's obvious that this board is full of "Bold Statements" that you have made while "Virtually Uninformed"...I mean...Posting it was a great thing as Al threw away draft pics and mountains of money to bring in proven "FA"s like Moss-n-Jordan...That one is absolutely hilarious in retrospect which is exactly why I posted it a few weeks ago...

Very soon now the statments that this team will never get over the hump as long as it continues to operate in a structure contrary to what is acceptable in the NFL -n- Corporate World without a "GM" instead of the present ownership that is running it into the ground will also become disputed in retrospect if we meet your projected plateau of "8+" Wins will it not...

The statements that "Winning" is no longer the focus of this franchise is another "Bold Statement" about to become totally dismantled...Posting that old slogans such as "Commitment To Excellence" and "Just Win Baby" no longer apply to this franchise and are no more than hollow words while not knowing in the slightest what the plans have been under that "Cone-o-Silence" was obviously "Bold Statements" in the absence of information...

PantyRaider...Or Was That "BOLD" As In All Caps!!!/_

12:47 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

I saw this in your post...
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So there, now it is your turn, but, of course, I don't expect a reply because the "crew" can't do that.”
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Was this some form of crying for attention..."Why Have You Forsaken Me"..."Please! Don't Leave me Alone! Come Back!"...

It's hilarious...I saw the same thing on that "TRUTH Coach" thread as he posted..."Your Turn"...In the comments like he needed to have an ongoing interaction to postpone his abandonment...

PantyRaider...Way Too Funny!!!/_

1:00 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Keep it coming Mr. Webster, I think you can do better my friend!

Your move.

Do you need support to believe your own opinion Panty man?

Keep it coming'

perhaps we can start over?

As for your energy directed towards my article...I thank you....it has served its purpose!

I am a Coach, I am also a mind reader....I am a football expert, never met an equal.....although I'm working on it......I am not a writer, I'll give you that....lol....

Thanks for the Jack..

Bring it don't sing it.....
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get off.....
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PantyRaider.....Dot-Dot-Dot That!!!/_

1:34 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said: “On "IR" the player (Nick Miller) can no longer practice with the team or attend meetings...They could not get him to the practice squad without clearing the wire which was a risk...”

PR, I know you’re familiar with the expression, “time to cut bait.” The Raiders top two WRs were injured and Miller was the obvious 3rd man out. And I wouldn’t worry about an undrafted rookie free agent clearing waivers. So what!

Gary said: “...what are you thinking next season NYR? One, maybe squeaking out two wins next season? Or do you think it will be 0-16?

Gary, I root for 16+ wins every year. Like everyone else, I get what the Raiders give me!

For what it’s worth (which is nothing!), I believe after seven years of rebuilding (or approx 18 months, depending on your perspective), the Raiders should be able to make a run at the playoffs... in a weak division with a favorable (tailor-made) schedule.

Now, with their lingering deficiencies at WR and OL, that may not be possible. Plus, I don’t know that the Raiders have repaired their return game yet. I can only assume. But I’m sure some here will tell me Nick Miller will light up the return game (like he did last year!), or we’re leaving in the hands of another rookie (like we did last year, well, almost!).

5:04 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

Another funny thing about speculation. Sometimes it works out. Just depends on who guesses right. That's one of the fun parts.

Jonesy,

“Raiders win 5-6 games this season.” Wow, really bold there. Mediocre at best. Which is it 5 or 6? Sounds like those preseason magazines and shows that take last year’s standings move around four or five of the 32 teams and predict that’s the way it will end. At least they try and fill the space with some reasoning behind their predictions. Hope you didn’t strain yourself with that one.

Now, since you are all over the Crew for information and predictions, it seems all we, and the rest of the guys here, are getting is crickets on information from you to back up your statements of “fact” such as Marshall is only a “yes-man” and others.

Just saying the word “fact” doesn’t make it so. It’s supposition on your part and you won’t even say what has brought you to this conclusion. Oh, by the way, saying you can tell by the way the defense is playing is not a fact, it’s an assumption.

But, I’m with Take’s analysis on this one. Making a prediction in May is pure wild assed guesses based on a lot of unknowns. They’re not even Scientific Wild Assed Guesses. Will all the draft choices be signed and in camp? Will Seymour get his contract and avoid the one year free agent tender route? Who will stay healthy, who will get injured in camp? Will the draft choices live up to the hype?

On paper at least we look better and deeper at several critical positions than at any time since ’02. But, paper is just the starting point. And, even preseason isn’t a proper barometer. Shell II went 3-2 then 2-14.

Being the infernal optimist my wild assed guess is 10 wins. But hell, that’s been my minimum most every year.

Panty,

Some folks labor under the illusion that if they say the word “fact” over and over without backing it up that people will start believing them. Facts are only facts when you can verify them. Until then they are just opinion and opinion is NOT fact. Also, facts are not in the eye of the beholder. Look at how many times “anonymous sources” have proven to be wrong.

H

5:18 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

Great job H !!

Every year around this time, we seem to ask the same questions.

Once again I answer, I am in the prove it to me camp.

Listen up Raiders. Show us something.

Go into Tenn. on opening day, and beat the Titans.

Am I asking too much ??

It's about time we demanded more then we've been getting.

6:33 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, yes, I make a lot of bold statements, and I always stand by them. I have immediate takes on things like free agent acquisitions, draft picks, etc. And yes, some turn out to be misguided.

To me, that's different than a bold PREDICTION in May regarding something as tenuous as wins and losses. You saw that I did make my prediction (because y'all were screaming at me to do so), but I noted that it was naturally somewhat pointless until I see how things come together this summer.

I don't see one sensible draft and then say, well, that's it, we've hit a grand slam and now greatness is at hand. No, I need to see more evidence of the team coming together, having a solid training camp, making the right moves (or non moves) and giving me glimpses of good things to come during the preaseason.

Consider what happened last year. I started out cautiously hopeful, but the Raiders kept feeding me bad information. The DHB pick, the troubled training camp, the awful preseason...

And thus my outlook naturally darkened as these things came to pass.

Some of you, however, HAMMERED me for making what I felt were simple and obvious observations. You tried to tell me that it was all good, when it was clear to me that we were headed for disaster.

When I point this stuff out to you or Gary or Blanda, you say there's no shame in being wrong. None at all.

Yet you all seem absolutely RABID about trapping me into being wrong. If I, like Gary, had made a forceful case for a GM in January and then, in April, after one sensible draft and little else, mocked those who still made a case for a GM, you would crucify me.

Everyone needs to chill.

I have clearly acknowledged the good things that have been happening, but I will not be bullied into overlooking the bad things.

7:52 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Now you are getting very close to the issue here...Why do you suppose your being "Cruxed"...Possibly due to the arrogance...Not everyone displays it when they disagree...They simply disagree and submit it as such while you attempt to belittle and pound your chest in some sort of glorified tripe while your the one who disappeared back when and lost faith...Remember!!!...

I agree it would be nicer on this board if everyone could chill and that would include you as much as me...I admit...I have taken it upon myself to go on the attack sense my return...That's a strong personality trait that has plagued me forever...Never has it been submissiveness...

Give that some thought should you dare or just continue with the arrogant crap and reap the full benefits if you wish...After all this is your game...

PantyRaider...How About A Little Constructive Criticism For A Change Instead Of Out Right Bashin!!!/_

9:25 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I agree that a W-L prediction in May is pretty pointless. Failure to sign, injuries in camp, etc., all normal pre-season occurrences can get in the way. On the other hand, a stud getting signed and leading the way to a play off season when you predict only four wins is the other side of the same coin. All I profess at this point is that the Raiders appear to have a solid plan and are apparently VERY committed to it.

NY, here's what I think the deal with Nick Miller is. The Raiders wanted nothing more, last season, than to test their youth. They committed themselves to both DHB and Murphy no matter the consequences. You mistakenly said that Walker was hurt all last season. He wasn't. They could have brought him in at any time. They CHOSE to stay with the youngsters.

Now this will upset folks because they view that as not being committed to win. But when you've fallen so far into the stink hole, sometimes you have to fully evaluate what you have and determine if your tools are a long term solution. I'm glad the Raiders did what they did, because I think it will pay off in terms of long term success.

And that to me is the ONE major change in the Raiders. They appear to have abandon quick fixes and short term solutions in favor of the long term. That is the difference between dynasties and one season wonders.

9:39 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Take this post for an example...
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Some of you, however, HAMMERED me for making what I felt were simple and obvious observations. You tried to tell me that it was all good, when it was clear to me that we were headed for disaster.

When I point this stuff out to you or Gary or Blanda, you say there's no shame in being wrong. None at all.
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Now if we disagree and post it's all good why does that make you think we are damaging you in some way...We simply disagree and post why or what we see...Why should that ruffle your precious feathers or provoke belittlement...

Now do you demand that we should feel some sort of "Shame" if we post an incorrect thought on this board...Look around...Those whom you accuse of not showing "Shame" are the very same ones who "Man-Up" and readily admit when a mistake has been made...

All the way back to "Shell II" "BR" and I were willing to admit we were mistaken about him as "HC"...Not as a man but in his official capacity with the team but respectfully so...We also respectfully made it clear that Al had made some mistakes and may need additional help but in his due time as determined by him and not by some "Mediot" or disgruntled fans...

Gary is also on record for "Manning-Up" in the same way...I'm sure "H" would be also but just don't recall when he needed to do so...

But now contrast that with others on this board and it's very damn obvious that "Shame" is not common to all now is it...

PantyRaider....Cauchy Stubbornness Prevails!!!/_

9:52 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider, so suddenly I'm the bully? I thought I was the sensitive crybaby?

As for losing the faith, if that's how you want to characterize it, go right ahead.

Personally, I don't believe that stating the obvious is losing faith. I haven't disappeared. I am still here.

Here's the "crux" of the matter:

Some of you flipped out on me during the last offseason for not buying your overly optimistic rants in the face of mounting evidence that we were headed for trouble.

Now, after another 5-11 season and one sensible draft, you are flipping out again on me for not yet buying that greatness is at hand, and for standing by my take (that virtually everyone here shares except you, and until recently, Gary) that it would be prudent to bring in executive football help as a proactive measure to build a consistent sooner rather than later.

It's that simple, and it seems reasonable to me.

Yet people are telling me to f*** off, calling me a liar, etc. Frankly, it's getting a little disturbing.

9:53 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

You raise some interesting points...So add to that that how were the youngsters suppose to get the reps/experience if we always bring in some old washed up piss poor attitude vet to take their reps...The only way they become seasoned Vets is to pay their dues and we are apparently willing to pay our dues while they get theirs...

PantyRaider...Makes Good Sense To Me!!!!/_

9:59 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Well It Should...

Ya ever consider you may have earned some of that...

Oh! No!...Your too damn pure for that....Right...

PantyRaider...Now That Was A Sick Display of Childishness!!!!/_

10:02 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider said: "Now do you demand that we should feel some sort of "Shame" if we post an incorrect thought on this board...Look around...Those whom you accuse of not showing "Shame" are the very same ones who "Man-Up" and readily admit when a mistake has been made..."

No, I'm not demanding that you feel shame over being wrong.

You and others jump all over me when I'm wrong. So my point is, if there's no shame in being wrong, then why do you yourself make such a big deal out of it?

When I point out that I've been right about a lot of things lately pertaining to the state of the Raiders, I'm making my case for some benefit of the doubt.

What if, after taking my dim view of the Raiders last summer, I'd watched the Raiders go 11-5? I would have been flat wrong.

So then, what if I strutted in here this spring, shouting you down for not believing that the Raiders would drop back down to five wins in 2010?

What would you say?

Wouldn't you say, dude, what the hell? You were way off base last year, so on what basis must I buy what you are selling?

This is what you and Gary are asking me to do.

You are asking me to take your word about the state of the Raiders, or be blasted.

So I think it's fair game to point out that the last time you asked me to take your word or be blasted, you were wrong.

10:10 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

1st you need to post what word you are speaking of while referring to me...

Remember I publicly left this board shortly after your January "09" posting regarding "Your Trust Has Been broken"...So clarify this quot...
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So I think it's fair game to point out that the last time you asked me to take your word or be blasted, you were wrong.
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Now as for this I can give you a very clear understanding...
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You and others jump all over me when I'm wrong. So my point is, if there's no shame in being wrong, then why do you yourself make such a big deal out of it?
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It's called "Arrogance"...That's the quality you show when trying to belittle others while claiming to be so damn correct when I damn sure know that to be incorrect and posted several past exerts from you that were proven to be such...

Like your proud pimping of the signings of Moss-n-Jordan for example while later you bash the signing of a class act like Seymour...

Now...What was your issue again...

PantyRaider....12:25am Time For Sleep!!!/_

10:24 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

PantyRaider said: "Remember I publicly left this board shortly after your January "09" posting regarding "Your Trust Has Been broken"..."

I see a ton of comments from you here right through last summer, so I'm not sure what you mean.

10:30 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I have been making an effort lately to offer measured comments with firm logic.

I have patiently tried to keep up with the various demands some of you are making on me to answer this question or that question (while many of my own have gone unanswered).

Go back and read what I've been saying lately and tell me exactly what has you frothing at the mouth.

10:41 AM  
Blogger Harmon said...

Jonesy,

Still hearing crickets on those questions of mine. Seems you can ask, but can't answer.

H

11:06 AM  
Blogger Harmon said...

Addendum:

Those are questions from me representing The Crew.

Blanda,

We need to come up with a design for our Crew shirts.

H

11:07 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

I agree, H, but graphic design isn't my forte.

How about the ugliest picture of Al Davis we can find on the back. Over the heart on the front will be "Al's Crew."

Beneath that, inside of one of those circles with a slash through it ("no"), will be the word "JONES."

11:21 AM  
Blogger Harmon said...

I like the idea of Al's picture on the back. Let me see what I can do about the front.

H

12:06 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

In the interest of full disclosure, here's an instance where I was WRONG. At the end of the '08 season I bought a JaMarcus Russell figurine.

Funny, I hadn't looked at it in awhile. It now has cobwebs on it, and I think it got fat. Interesting.

12:31 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR said: “(NY) You mistakenly said that Walker was hurt all last season. He wasn't. They could have brought him in at any time. They CHOSE to stay with the youngsters.”

Huh? Do you check your facts?

First, I never said he was injured “all last season.”

Second, Walker opened camp on PUP, and by Nov. he was out for the season due to injury... so they couldn't have "brought him in at any time," as you state.

My central point was that the Raiders grossly mismanaged their WR corp. Why would Davis talk Walker out of returning $11M if they were planning on sticking it out with young players?

Regardless of when exactly Walker was injured, you imply the Raiders had no intention of playing him. Even in emergency situations, Walker remained on the sideline.

How can that possibly make sense to anyone?

So far, albeit with plenty of offseason remaining, I see little has changed wrt the WRs. Injury and inexperience plague this group.

Signing a reliable vet could instantly change this. We don’t need a prima donna. In baseball ease, I would say we need a 4th or 5th starter that can pitch 200+ innings and keep us in ball games.

That would be, IMO, good management.

12:46 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Things change over a couple of seasons, NY. Davis talked Walker out of returning the money under the team's circumstances at the time. Goals and direction change from one season to the next. Walker was on the short list to go after the first season here. Al kept him around for insurance which Cable didn't use. I don't think the receiving corps is mismanaged, just young. They have a lot more to learn. It just appears to me that Cable didn't want Walker teaching them.

On another subject, after the 2006 season, most around here (including yours truly) figured that if we could maintain the defense and get the offense to score a couple of touchdowns a game we'd have a chance to be competitive.

We had a few set backs. Number one was Kiffin. Number two was Russell. And number three was a DC and a defensive unit that turned out to have more holes than originally thought.

It appears to me that the defense is coming along, and might actually be almost as good as we thought the 2006 defense was (that is NOT calling them good).

The other problems....

Cable for Kiffin - check.
Campbell or Gradkowski for Russell - check.

Plus we got Jackson, more experience for Bush, Schilens, Murphy, Miller... etc.

I think if the defense can be as good as it was in '06, we will be able to average at least 17 points a game.

I think if all of that holds true, then it will be good for "competitive" football - between 7 and 8 wins. Beyond that, it depends on the drive and focus of the players. If the players feel encouraged, they'll manage the drive. Cable will have to keep them focused (and he's the man who's shown the ability to do it).

So barring some major catastrophic injury, I'm going a semi hard 7 until I can actually see what is going on in camp. The key for a successful season this year will be a fast start that instills confidence.

1:16 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H, you and the "crew" are so sure it's all turned around, being hit out of the park and the offense will be great because of Huey, remember? So, if you are so sure of this, predicting 10 wins should be a snap, No? But, instead, you say I am avoiding? I told you why the Raiders will finish with 5 or 6 wins again many times on here, you must have missed those posts.

As far as proof of Marshall being a yesman....do you remember what Aso said after a Raider win last year? When the Raiders blitzed and attacked the whole game? Do you remember? And, do you remember what happened in the next game? Marshall got "yelled at" and went back to the passive defense Al likes and lost, of course. REMEMBER? Anyone with a brain knows that the DC takes his orders from Al, Al takes pride in his 1970'S scheme....don't you know anything about the Raiders?

JONES

1:50 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR said": "I think if all of that holds true, then it will be good for "competitive" football - between 7 and 8 wins."

Frankly, I'm a little surprised by this statement.

I believe the Raiders are capable of more, but it will take a complete effort. No room for compromising positions with little or no depth.

This is where good management comes in. IMO, the Raiders remain at very high risk at several key positions, but perhaps none more so than WR.

2:00 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

NY, .500 football in the NFL is competitive. At times it can even get you into the playoffs. Beyond that is maximum effort and dedication - standing up for your teammates and watching their backs. That's when 3 to 4 wins get added to the win column.

Seven wins is our starting point. A quick start will lead to confidence, and that will help.

2:51 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

"Shortly After" is a very flexible term...Don't get hung-up on a word or make it a point of conflict...

I went back and looked and don't remember anything on this board as of mid September "09"...I re-posted around the beginning of April "2010"...So I guess that constitutes almost a full season away...7 months...In the beginning of a new season I looked to see if anything had changed...Apparently it had not or so little that it's virtually indistinguishable...

So...Time to come to grips with the reality at hand...

This board is a reflection of "YOU"...NOT of me or Gary or "H" or "BR" or "NYR" or "Raider00" or "CJ" or that DumbAss of a TRUTH Fairy...

Back when we were "Losers" and I 1st began to post here in reference to the Raiders it was a nice subjective place to meet and greet some great "CyberSpace" friends...Even threw the "Shell II" debacle it continued to be a pleasant hang-out despite the occasional drive-by of "Freaks" like "FaidaBoy"....We suffered together threw the Kiffin losses and eventual collapse but than something changed...

It wasn't "BR" or "Gary" or "H" or "ME" that made that happen...It was "YOU"...Think about that for a moment...

In the past we could do what old men do....Remember when...While at times a young "WhipperSnapper" will jump up and say...

"Hay! You old farts those days are long gone"...

Though that may be true it by no means changes history nor diminishes what was...It was real and it lives on...

The problem as I see it is this...

"Don't tell me we are fine when I can see otherwise"...

"Don't post about the past before this losing period because it has no bearing on the present"....

"Those old slogans are now just empty words"...

"Stop drinking that KoolAid"...

"This franchise no longer views winning as a priority"...

When we post info about how Al has not held back from spending his money to build a winning team it's...

"Throwing mountains of money at worthless "FA"s...

Ya see it's "YOU" who have altered the attitude here that has turned this once entertaining board into your own personal "Group Session" where instead of talking Raider Football the discussion is concentrated on how your trust has been broken while you beat that perpetual drum-beat to the "MGP" MUST HAVE A "GM" NOW Serenade...

Damn...Once upon a time I needed to attend those group sessions at the "VA" to deal with "PTSD" issues but that was because I actually experienced something highly disturbing once upon a time...Not to mention the "Bay-o-Pigs" that some of us grew up in the middle of at "Ground Zero"...But here this is just a game and I fail to see what has made you such a damn "DramaQueen" as a result of losing when as far as I know you never spent any time on the "Grid Iron" and most certainly were not in any of these recent "BeatDown" Battlefields...

What up with all the "Battle Scars"...

"Faith"...The assured expectation of things hoped for though not yet seen...

Some of us continue to find those assurances of our faith in this franchise and it's ownership while some have lost all hope...OK...Different strokes for different folks...But what up with all the damn "BeatDowns" for believing...

PantyRaider..."H"s Take Is here For Discussion And That's What Attracts My interest Not Stupid Arguments About Mental/Emotional Issues!!!/_

9:27 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"....

In four years as a starter in Washington Campbell had different OC’s, play callers and a turnstile offensive line virtually every year, yet his stats improved in every category every year.

This makes him a seasoned vet with experience that should help him perform well in "OakTown"...He understands adversity and knows how to deal with it...He knows how to develop in a new system and is familiar with a variety of schemes...He prolly knows how to get his receivers in sink despite poor/inconsistent coaching...He understands how to escape pressure while staying with his receivers...And he no doubt keeps his head in the game...

How long has it been sense we had any of these qualities at "QB" in "OakTown"...Can we remember as far back as Gannon....

PantyRaider...Old Memories Reborn!!!/_

10:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BlandaRocked said...

Just to clarify. So my position is that Ryan is an excellent defensive coordinator when it comes to aggressive defense. When you put him in soft coverages he's out of his element.

Kiffin (and Turner before him) prefer softer coverages (as Kiffin's father is often given credit for inventing the Tampa 2). Kiffin wanted a coach (preferably his father) who would run those coverages for him. Al Davis wouldn't fire Ryan because he's good at what he does, he just not good at what Kiffin wants him to do.

To me, this seems like a situation where (if you're the HC) you accept Ryan this year and let him run his style of defense (because that's the way your defense plays best). When Ryan's contract expires, you then go to Davis and impress him with how important you think it is to switch to soft coverages.


BlandaRocked said...

Rob Ryan -

I've had problems with Rob Ryan since he got here. I've discussed those, re converting D-linemen to LBs, etc. I've discussed his reluctance to blitz. But I also understand, as stated by Kiffin, that the plan was that the defense would mimic exactly what they did in 2006. That sounds like a staff problem to me, not necessarily one specific to Rob Ryan. Whether Ryan stays or goes, it seems likely to me that they will change the defensive scheme this year, which I identify as the primary problem.

As to whether Kiffin wants Ryan gone. I've got absolutely no evidence that he does except what the press tells me. So how can you tell me that the press is not the issue here?

10:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

BlandaRocked said...
BlandaRocked said...

Anno 10:55pm....

Well now that wasn't me so who could it have been... ... ... Dot-Dot-Dot...

Any Guess!!!...

PantyRaider...NO...I'm NOT Biting Again Freak!!!!/_

... Dot-Dot-Dot ... Dot-Dot-Dot ...

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lonely boy is getting desperate...

"Why wont anyone talk to me"... ... ...

"I know...I will come back Incognito who would know and I will get my attention one way or another....I'll show-em...They can't ignore me like that... ... ... ..."

11:24 PM  
Blogger AgentOrange said...

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11:37 PM  
Blogger AgentOrange said...

See...Nobody Knows me Now...

I'm Toxic...

11:52 PM  
Blogger AgentOrange said...

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1:12 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Do you believe this from your "J-Mac"...
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Will Al finally get out of the way and allow this defense to play to it's strengths rather than his plain old D of the 70's?

jerrymac:
Al does not give defensive game plans. He has certain things he likes to see implemented and all the coaches know what they are. You work within his framework. And a bold coordinator will add his own wrinkles, and if they're successful, will not be bothered.
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PantyRaider....Do "Dead Dogs" Ever Die!!!/_

1:15 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

“My central point was that the Raiders grossly mismanaged their WR corp.”

I would argue we don’t know that. If you look at the statistical difference between Russell’s starts and, well, everyone else, you see a more productive receiving corps. The common thread in that situation is no longer on the team. At worse Campbell is a competent quarterback. Russell didn’t even approach competency last season.

Jonesy,

Please read the ENTIRE post before responding.

“Marshall got "yelled at" and went back to the passive defense” – Date and time for the yelling please. Not proof just because you say it is. You may believe he got yelled at, but that’s just your opinion.

I remember Cable saying they game plan defenses based on the opponent just like they game plan for the offense.

What’s the matter, can’t bring yourself to repeat anything. Oh, that’s right your brilliance is so bright we need to wear shades. We are not worthy of a repeat, or perhaps you can’t remember what you said.

If you will read the take, it says talent, potential and optimism. I am optimistic Jackson will turn it around. All the so called vibes coming from camp and OTA’s and the personnel changes are pointing in that direction.

Words have meaning. If you are going to throw around words like fact and truth you should be prepared to back them up. Until then it’s back to crickets.

I said this about Campbell. “yet his stats improved in every category every year.” That’s a provable “fact”. In the red zone he threw 18 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Another provable “fact”. It’s on video and in the NFL statistical record books.

Hue Jackson was the receiver’s coach for the Bengals during the development period of Chad and T. J. and the quarterback coach with the Ravens during the development of Flaco. Those are “facts” that give rise to optimism.

Marshall, “got yelled at” is not a provable “fact” unless you have reliable witnesses or video proof.

Oh, by the way. Is this what you are showing as proof of the “fact” that Marshall got yelled at:

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"We were shocked," Asomugha said, "because coaches say we're going to run it in practice, but we come to a game and that never happens."


Asomugha said defensive coordinator John Marshall finally agreed to make changes. "He said that he might get yelled at for it, but he'll keep going," Asomugha said.


When asked about Asomugha's claims, Cable evaded the issue.


"I think we'll do what we can, and what we think it takes to win every Sunday," Cable said.


And who would be "yelling" at Marshall?


"I don't know, maybe one of the players," Cable said with a shrug. "I have no idea."”


Source: SI.com October 20, 2009 – Ann Killon.

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Now, I take from that a few of things. First, Marshall may have been kidding. Second Nnamdi wasn’t used to actually using stuff they practiced under Ryan, hence his surprise. Third, he said he would keep it going , not what a “yes-man” would say.

It also lends credence to the defensive statistics that showed an increase in sacks and that we led the league in tackles for loss. Both significant steps forward considering Marshall was new, Ryan had been there four years, and what Marshall had to start with including bringing in a new starting DT just days before the opening game.

Now, you might “assume” he got yelled at, but assumption is not fact. Absolutely NOTHING in that backs up your “fact” that Marshall "got yelled at".

Oh yeah, SF Gate October 25th 2009, David White:

“Defense Coordinator John Marshall blitzed and used Cover-2 defense like never before in Oakland, and joked later he'll probably get yelled at for it.”

There, see how easy that was.

H

5:46 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"H"...

Furthermore what "J-Mac" wrote as an answer to a question yesterday gives further evidence to that fact if you accept what a "Mediot" writes which most here claimed they do...

I'm the one who is still selective about what he says...

So right from one of their own trusted sources mouth/laptop is the testimony that Al does NOT give gameplans to his "DC"s and allows them to coach within a scheme with flexibility if they produce results to paraphrase what was written....

But no matter there will be some posted version of how to circumvent this info without distroying their trusted source...

PantyRaider...Can't Wait To See The Strategy!!!/_

8:22 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

.........“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said Wednesday. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations.”

That’s what happened last week when the Raiders allowed 384 yards on just 10 plays in a 24-7 loss at Dallas. Oakland gave up 494 yards overall, the most since allowing 527 in a 40-35 win over Tennessee on Dec. 19, 2004.

Big plays have been a recurring problem all season for Oakland (3-8). According to STATS LLC, the Raiders have allowed an NFL-worst 54 plays that have gone for at least 20 yards, with 15 coming on the ground and 39 through the air.

Oakland has also had 79 plays go for negative yardage, one shy of league-leaders Minnesota and Philadelphia, making the Raiders defense an all-or-nothing affair.

“A lot of times it’s the player that’s going to be putting himself in the best position to make the play just because how our defense is,” Asomugha said. “You have to be better than the guy in front of you. It’s not just the corners, it’s the D-line, it’s the linebackers.”

Asomugha is perhaps the most respected player on the Raiders team, both for his sterling play on the field and honesty off it. His play has been one of the few bright spots during the roughest stretch in franchise history and he was rewarded this offseason with a three-year, $45.3 million contract. His stature gives his criticisms added weight.

Asomugha said he gets a little jealous when he talks to former teammate Charles Woodson(notes) about all the different defenses the Green Bay Packers run. He cited an interview by New Orleans coach Sean Payton, who credited his team’s defensive turnaround with taking some of the best parts of what many teams do.

Asomugha said he lobbies his coaches so much for those type of changes that they laugh at him when he keeps bringing it up. He said simplicity in itself is not always a problem, citing the success the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had earlier this decade running the Cover 2 on almost every play. But the Raiders apparently don’t have the talent to succeed that way.

“Maybe we don’t want to be as multiple as other guys, maybe we don’t have to be,” Asomugha said. “We have to prove that we’re good enough to win and play well doing the simple things that we’re doing. We’re not proving that right now. It’s not like we proved it last year or we proved it the year before. This is several years now where we haven’t been able to get over the hump of winning more than four or five games a year. Maybe you go back and you think about what we’re doing and think about ways to fix it.”

The Raiders appear headed for their seventh straight losing season. Oakland is already the first team ever to lose at least 11 games in six straight seasons and needs to go 3-2 over the final month to avoid extending that ignominious record to a seventh season.

A change in defensive coordinator this season from Rob Ryan to John Marshall has done little to change the problems on defense. The system the team runs is still basically the same one that owner Al Davis has always preferred.

“The game changes, the game is never going to be the same as it was 10 years ago or five years ago with the rule changes and things like that,” Asomugha said. “You have to be able to adapt.”......

Anyone who knows the Raiders....just like Steve Young said on Monday night football last year on opening day....he laughed at how basic and how no other team uses the Raider scheme any more. It's outdated, he said. But, any true Raider will tell you that Al calls the shots on defense, this has been known for decades. Ryan was told what to run and so is Marshall. You don't become an Al Davis DC without doing what he wants. This is fact, anyone who knows the Raiders, knows this. But you boys with your fairydust and all.....

JONES

8:39 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Pantyboy.....you ain't worth it, until you can stop contradicting yourself and write something that isn't a convoluted piece of garbage, you might be able to have some dialogue. Until then, you are just a bozo with marbles in his mouth.......dot dot dot. What a petty boy too, he is complaining about the "dots"...can't find anything better to pick at?, Try your nose, it's full of shit too.


JONES

8:43 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Also, in that Eagles game, Mcnabb got so messed up because the Raiders NEVER blitz as much as they did, zone packages, line stunts, it threw the Eagles off, they weren't expecting it. Next game, the Raiders went back to the usual game plan that Aso talks about in my previous post and they lost. Now, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out....but you boys can never accept that and you will continue down your "yellow brick road" trying to find your hearts and your brains and your courage.......good luck, you have a long way to go.

JONES

8:53 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H, so is this what you want? Copy and paste all day? All these points have been PROVEN out over time. You and the "crew" always try to rewrite history at this time of year. You are ALWAYS proven wrong as the season plays out. You guys pretend you are truth because this time of year allows for some guess room. You spin and you say "IF" in all your silly spins. The truth has been proven out over a long period of time, you just can't grasp it, it's beyond you.....As soon as the team starts losing games again, you will all disappear until February again and feign intellectual superiority once more. This game has been proven out over time as well. Case Closed.

JONES

9:00 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Now the following is some outright stupid "Mediot" crap posted by someone who obviously knows nothing about football or the Raiders...
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The system the team runs is still basically the same one that owner Al Davis has always preferred.
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Oh! Really!!!...Was Al Davis the "MGP" in the 70's/80's when Madden-n-Flores ran a 3-4 scheme....

What Al has always preferred is "Man-to-Man" coverage -w- an aggressive philosophy that the "QB" must go down and must go down hard which has now become the standard in the NFL as virtually every single team employs that one single thought...Not like in times past prior to Al's defensive dominance...
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he laughed at how basic and how no other team uses the Raider scheme any more. It's outdated, he said.
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What "Scheme" is that...The 4-3...That's the fuckin "SCHEME"...How damn many teams still use that "Scheme" today...

How freakin many "Schemes" does the NFL run...

"4-3"..."3-4"..."4-2-5"..."Cover II"..."Prevent"...

The Raiders have used most all of them at times in our history and any given Sunday you dumb shit...

PantyRaider...Football "101" Coach!!!/_

9:10 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Oh panty, one day you will learn the game..until then, you wouldn't even make a Pop Warner coach. I like it better when you ignore me, go back to that, you are too insane to bother with.....how's the wife? she gone through puberty yet?

JONES

9:29 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here’s a good piece from Monte Poole about the Raiders continued disconnect from much needed public relations. It’s bad business.

http://tinyurl.com/2facygg

And from J-Mac’s live chat on Tues:

“[Comment From TwocentsTwocents: ]
Jerry, why do the Raiders muzzle their coaches? What are they afraid of?”

“jerrymac: Strictly an Al Davis thing.”

Some things will never change....

9:30 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

More copy and paste.....

"He cited one particular example of a Raiders defensive game plan being thrown out the window at the last minute. Sapp said Davis was behind it.

"Al Davis is the total bottom line, buck stops right there," said Sapp. "I remember one time we had a defensive game plan because we were struggling against the run. We were going to get our safeties and put them up in the box and almost have a nine-man front. We practiced this thing 80 percent of the time on Wednesday and Thursday. We showed up that Friday morning, [defensive coordinator] Rob Ryan came in and he looked like someone had just shot his dog. He said he [Davis] pulled it on us ... He snatched the teeth out of our defense."....

There is more proof, just find it kind of boring when the whole world, except the "crew", knows that Al runs the defense. Everyone knows the Raiders run the same man on man, you beat the man infront of you, defense. This is not my conclusion, this is KNOWN by everyone but the "crew". But, go ahead and deny it, if it makes you sleep at night....it's a shame that some just can't come to grips with reality.

JONES

9:41 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

NY, I really have no problem keeping Jackson under wraps to do his job. What would be the purpose of trotting him out? He's not going to talk about any change in schemes. You don't tell the whole NFL what you're doing.

Do you want him trotted out so Tim Kawakami can rustle up some controversy as a major distraction? Why? Basically we're just looking for another Al Davis complaint here.

Take a good look at RT. It doesn't matter what anyone at Raiders' HQ says until they put some wins on the scoreboard. Wins on the scoreboard would generate legitimate interest in what Jackson has brought, and at that point there is no question that he will be giving interviews.

There is a time and a place for everything, and voluntary OTAs are not the time to trot out an assistant coach as a celebrity.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

more.....

The Raiders under owner Al Davis have almost always been a man-to-man defense team that rarely blitzes. Davis is known for his involvement on defense, with players and former coaches talking about how he helps shapes the philosophy of his team.

Marshall says he enjoyed his opportunity to talk football with Davis, who was once again out at practice Friday afternoon.

"I know he knows defense," Marshall said. "The great thing is, is he is like me. He's long in the tooth and he's old school. It's line up, there's your guy, cover him. And there goes the ball, you go out there and tackle him. ... He's old school. Keep it simple and play hard. And he's very smart. He knows his football. Believe me."

Marshall says he has never had the cornerbacks to run as much man-to-man defense as the Raiders will employ. They have been showing more blitzes in practice this training camp, but some of that may be to prepare the offense for what opposing teams will bring. Marshall said that if the defensive line can't generate enough pressure on the quarterback, then he will start sending extra rushers.

For players who have been here awhile, they want to see what happens in games before believing there has been a change.

"That's like a wait-and-see type of thing because even in camps previously we were doing a lot of blitzing and doing multiple things defensively and then we got into games and we were pretty basic," star cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said. "So, it's like a wait-and-see type of thing."

JONES

10:04 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jonesy,

What Wednesday was that? There’s 52 of them a year and 520 over 10 years.

“STATS, LLC” Good finally a source.

By the way, there has never been an argument over the propensity of the team to give up big plays, especially on the ground. That’s been stated as a major reason for drafting McClain and Houston. So, why are you touting something most everyone already agrees on?

So, let’s see, you find an article to support something virtually everyone here agrees with. We give up too many big plays on the ground. Yep. We many times have players out of position. Yep, started way back with Ryan. But, we did blitz more, not as much as even I would like, and had better penetration, hence the leading the league in tackles for loss.

Did it ever occur to you that the team recognizes this also? Maybe that’s why they drafted the linebacker who ran the most complicated defense in college football. A defense that carried the team to the National Championship. I may have rose colored glasses, but you have blinders. You look at last year and say that’s the way it’s going to be this year, and the next and the next.

You remind me of the Patsy fan who kept coming here saying how smart he was and kept saying 0-16. He used the words truth and fact a lot also. He couldn’t get through three sentences without using some name he thought was cute in and derogatory at the same time.

But, the bottom line is you said “fact” Marshall is a yes man. You also STATED he “got yelled at”. Nothing in YOUR “copy paste” backs up those statements. So, is he or isn’t he and did he or didn’t he?

Yep, I say “if”. Because, well ya just don’t know. In week two we could be down to our third string QB, Seymour could blow a knee, Nnamdi might break an arm.

Once again, is he or isn’t he? Did he or didn’t he? Just a simple question, where is the evidence for these “facts” you keep speaking of. If they are just your opinions, fine, knock yourself out. But don’t spew out facts and truths that you pull out of the air to try and show other people are wrong.

Blanda,

Working on that Crew Logo. Might have it for sharing by weeks end.

Panty,

You are correct. We ran the 3-4 from around 76 through the mid 80’s. It was an in season switch due to injury (John Madden).

H

10:06 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H ..."But, the bottom line is you said “fact” Marshall is a yes man. You also STATED he “got yelled at”. Nothing in YOUR “copy paste” backs up those statements. So, is he or isn’t he and did he or didn’t he?"

When you see Ryan running the same defense, year after year under different HC's. Then you see Marshall come in and run the same Defense AGAIN, that looks oh so familar to the defenses of the 90's 80's 70's, you think to yourself " duhhh, dat must be Al's defense" DUHHHHHH. How many times do I have to write it? For F... sakes, you're just writing shit to get a response, when you want to be serious, then maybe we can debate, ya think?.....the dots are for the pervert.

JONES

10:30 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Looking forward to it, H.

Not only did they run the 3-4 for several years, the blitzed quite a bit from that formation. Of course, in a 3-4 you almost run a blitz on every passing down, otherwise you only have a 3 man rush. As I recall, the Raiders used to shuffle which of the LBs would be attacking the passer to keep opponents on their heals.

But, then again, maybe I just dreamed all that. We all know that Davis HATES to blitz and will fire or yell at any DC who does.

We also know that Davis will ONLY go with an archaic deep strike offense. We dreamed the years 1998-2003. And what a weird dream that was! The Raiders? Run a West Coast offense? Hah! Davis would never allow it!

10:34 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

You wonder why they ran the 3-4??.....One name....The Mad Stork.. Ted Hendricks...Al Davis is still trying to find another Ted Hendricks, a big guy who can cover backs, a big guy who can blow up the runs outside. Who can take the QB down hard. Thus these experiments with lineman being converted to a Rover-LB. Just another example of Al being stuck in a time warp. This stuff is obvious, it cannot be denied, this is some of the "evidence" that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the "crew" is certifiably whacked. I could go on for days with this stuff, but to me, this is obvious and doesn't need to be proven....but the meatheads just keep on going like this stuff has never happened.....more dots, hope ya like em pantyboy.

JONES

10:37 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR said: "NY, I really have no problem keeping Jackson under wraps to do his job. What would be the purpose of trotting him out? He's not going to talk about any change in schemes. You don't tell the whole NFL what you're doing."

I think the whole point of the article was not to divulge scheme, but generate some excitement among Raider fans... maybe even sell tickets.

Raider fans could use some goodwill. Personally, I'd like to hear from hue Jackson.

Part II of your comment is geared toward stirring the pot more with RT. Poor guy tells it like it is, and you guys want to hold him under a microscope. What's really ironic. If you held the Raiders as accountable, we wouldn't be having these back and forth discussions.

10:52 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jonesy,

It's still your assumptions and your opinion. It maybe a trend you see, or it may be what Marshall had to work with in his first season. Some major changes in personnel have taken place this off season. Maybe you just need a dictionary.

And, by the way. If you are going to accuse people of things. You might want to think about backing that up too.

H

11:22 AM  
Blogger H said...

One more thing.

We might be a little wacked, but it beats being arrogant and self absorbed.

I like wacked. Blanda, how long have you been a little wacked? For me it's been around 60 years.

If you're wacked, it means a little unconventional or unpredictable. Sounds like a Raider Fan to me. Also sounds like half the guys I served with.

H

11:37 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Being tweeted from OTA by JMac.

"Late arrival at practice, DHB having big day (honest) at Routt's expense. Spun away from Nnamdi too, with Jackson hooting on Asomugha"

and

"Practice ends on Campbell pass to DHB . . . fitting, best DHB practice Ive seen"

Move along, nothing to see here. Good news, yuck.

11:46 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, I will have been whacked 57 years next month.

NY, why is pointing out RT's position an attack on RT? He's said very plainly he's not interested in any more talk, he's interested in wins. I figure RT is not alone in that space.

So you want Hue to come out and "talk." About what? Let him put something on the field first, and then I'm sure he'll be given a chance to answer our questions.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

One rule for the "crew" different for everyone else....H, live by your own words. Stop acting like you are on higher moral ground. If you are going to accuse me of just serving up false propaganda, dispute it and prove me wrong. If you can't, STFU.

Over the period of time I have posted on this site, I have proven to be very close on most issues, the track record speaks for itself, just like it does with the Raiders and the "crew", that is undeniable. It is undeniable that all the DC's are yesmen. It's undeniable that the Raiders are steeped in dysfunction. It's undeniable that there have been poor decisions that have haunted this franchis for decades. it's undeniable that the talent aquired year after year has been sub par....it's undeniable that when you throw it all together, you get LOSING. One day you might be able to admit that to yourself and then you will be set free. Like they say, the truth shall set you free, good luck in your journey, grasshopper.

JONES

11:54 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Thanks, cockroach!

12:08 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR - With all the copy/paste that has been posted here, I thought I might avoid more. But since you prefer to ask me instead of reading the article by Monte Poole, here’s some excerpts.
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“Unveiling something or someone new is an old and often effective tool. It's more likely to work on those eager to embrace. The Raiders have plenty such customers.

As those folks explore their options, the Raiders might want to offer a little more persuasion to get them out of the house, where they sat last year, listening to Greg Papa on radio while Chargers-Chiefs were on TV.

...one would think the creative minds inside the organization would pause to consider anyone who could promote revival. Yes, even an assistant coach, especially if that assistant conveys appealing qualities and happens to be responsible for the most widely discussed aspect of the team.

It's the kind of enthusiasm that could stimulate, if not satisfy, many within a hungry fan base — especially if they're seeing attempts to improve the quality of the team.

Utilizing your assets to sell your product is elementary, a concept straight from Practical Business Principles 101.”
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12:22 PM  
Blogger H said...

Jonsey, Jonesy, Jonesy.

You just don't get it. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm saying your are spouting opinion and trying to pass it off as fact.

And, which moral high ground are you speaking of?

And, if they turn it around, what be your stance then?

H

12:37 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

More bad news from JMac -

"– Can’t roll my eyes anymore when Tom Cable tells how much Darrius Heyward-Bey has improved. Best practice I’ve ever seen him have, and there isn’t anything else that’s even a close second."

and

"Haven’t seen a Raiders passing offense look this good in years. I realize it’s just OTAs and non-contact drills, but even in those situations the pass offense has been subpar since 2006."

NY, I read Poole's article, but I don't agree with him. What's Jackson going to say? "All you folks go out and buy tickets, because I'm bringing the Raiders back!" I think that would probably generate a big yawn from the fans after seven years of losing.

We are much better off with things like this reported from JMac. "– The dominant figure on the field continues to be offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, who fortunately isn’t muzzled when he is on the field.

"Jackson is talking trash, calling out defenders as targets (including Asomugha), putting pressure on his offense to make plays."

Let Jackson put a sample of the product on the field before we ask him to come out and sell it.

12:48 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

If IF IF IF IF , it's all you got H.

JONES

1:17 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

H...it isn't my opinion, it's proven fact. It has been proven over a period of 20+ years. You may want to deflect this fact and pin it on me like I am making this shit up.....IT'S PROVEN H, you and the "crew" just can't accept that truth, so you attack those who present the truth. That has been proven on this blog as well, fairytales by you and the "crew" cannot change the facts....people don't fall for that shit anymore. Give it up.

JONES

1:45 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"Over the period of time I have posted on this site, I have proven to be very close on most issues, the track record speaks for itself, just like..." - JONES

Um, your statement of FACT that Russell was going to be the opening day starter? Of course you haven't lost out on that one yet. The Raiders could yet resign him before camp. But if facts are facts, that's what has to happen, no?

The FACT is, other than predicting the Raiders will be just as bad this year as any of the previous seven, that's the ONLY prediction I can remember you making. Or did you also predict that Davis would select Bruce Campbell with the number 8 pick overall?

I'll tell you what. Go through and cut out your correct predictions and post them for us so our jaws will go slack at your brilliance.

1:51 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Don't be jealous balanda, don't they tell you that is a sin in your church?

JONES

2:14 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda - Jackson represents a new voice, someone that doesn't represent the losing ways of recent Raiders' past.

His speaking out that change is afoot could have a tremendous impact on the fan attitude that saw attendance drop to about 30k.

It's not just one man's vanity we're talking about. It's still a business, right?

Besides, not everybody reads J-Mac. As much as I respect him, he's just one voice in the media.

2:57 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

The following is far more valuable to the Raiders than trotting Hue Jackson out in front of Timmy Kawakami:

"– Miller on Jackson: “He’ll call them out _ even where the ball is going sometimes. He’s challenging our offense to be aggressive, be dominating. He won’t accept anything else.”

"– Murphy on Jackson: He’s going to tell the defense where the ball is going and it forces us to make a play. It puts a little pressure on us. It’s great, man.”

Hue Jackson is telling the defense what the play is going to be before the snap. He's telling them specifically who the ball is going to, and then daring them to try and stop. This is what camp "competition" looks like.

And in spite of calling out the defenders, the offense is succeeding anyway. Granted this is an OTA, but this news is fantastic.

Sorry, JONES. I know how you hate to hear stuff like that.

3:05 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

So now we have PFT getting in on the fun simply based on JMac's reports.

"The 2010 Raiders: Professional competence, here we come!"

NY, trust me on this. Anyone who goes to Raider games knows who JMac is and is, or will be, apprised of this situation. We've also got very positive reports from Poole who complained they weren't trotting Jackson before the microphones. Even ESPN is saying nice things.

The other part of it is, an OC doesn't hold his own press conferences - ON ANY TEAM.

Days are set aside during camp where assistant coaches are made available. Jackson will talk then. At that time he will not have to make promises he might not be able to keep, and will be fully capable of giving his evaluation on our prospects for success. After all, how can he know that until he's had some time to work (in pads) with the team?

3:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And here's a BOLD prediction from me. I'm not quite sure how to evaluate it, when all is said and done, but I'm hoping it will be obvious enough. Here it is.

While there may well be receivers with more catches, no receiver on the team will run more precise routs this season than DHB. No one.

3:42 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Ok, Blanda. You're right. No reason to pull all the stops.

It's quite possible a successful business model for selling tickets doesn't include letting your paying audience know you are doing what you can to correct problems that have plagued your team since 2002.

This information will trickle its way into the media and to the paying customers. Right?

Just like the Raiders. There's no reason to be proactive!
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"NY, trust me on this. Anyone who goes to Raider games knows who JMac is and is, or will be, apprised of this situation."

My friends go to Raider games. They don't know J-Mac. FYI, the Raiders don't just play home games.

5:16 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

BR said" "While there may well be receivers with more catches, no receiver on the team will run more precise routs this season than DHB. No one."

That's ridiculous! How can you possibly prove that? Who cares! We need WRs that catch passes!

5:20 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Story and interview with Bears OC Mike Martz and what he plans to do to change the fortunes of the Bears' offense:

http://tinyurl.com/3364oo8

5:24 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Also, the notion that the Raiders will make Jackson available during training camp doesn't sell tickets now... and that's exactly what the Raiders are trying to do right now.

Hey, if I'm a season ticket holder, I know what the Raiders have done for me lately. A little proactive campaigning is more than warranted.

And it's not like Jackson is an OC working at the direction of his HC. There should be no doubt that Jackson has been given full charge of the offense. (Many in the media believe this was the only way Cable was able to retain his job as HC.)

Listen, good PR doesn't win games. But it's good business, and it would further demonstrate that the status quo of poor management is turning the corner of positive change.

6:05 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Look, Ma, no press conference!

Martz quoted in a local story about the Bears' offense:

http://tinyurl.com/37nsxnk

6:31 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

gad damn hypocrite liar...Now that just kills it right there...
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Don't be jealous....don't they tell you that is a sin in your church?
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Take your filthy religious hypocrisy and shove it up your holy ass Freak!!!

I doubt anyone comes here looking for religious enlightenment form some putrid pathetic low life imitation of a "Man" blowing his own trumpets and talking slanderous about wives in the neighborhood...Go look that up in your pathetic church documents!!!/_

7:14 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"While there may well be receivers with more catches, no receiver on the team will run more precise routs this season than DHB. No one."

More precise routes than Schilens? Murphy? Of all the WRs we currently have on the roster, I would venture to say that DHB runs the least precise routes and that even includes Holland, Miller, Higgins, and Jacoby Ford.

Look, I want DHB to make some serious progress in his career development to include better hands and better routes but your quote above is nothing more than silly hyperbole.

7:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

I find it remarkable...With all the "+++"s (Positives) coming out of the Raider camp of late and the decent post that started this thread and all that gets talked about on this board is....

Al won't let the "Mediot"s speak to the "OC"....

Why can't we have a decent dialog about this team while breaking down positions and players and coaches/schemes/gameplans/schedule and what the future may hold for this season instead of religious hypocrisy and "Mediot" abuse...

PantyRaider...Go Figure!!!/_

8:13 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Oh panty, go have fun with the little woman (girl)and lighten up. Why all the hostility? That shit will eat you up inside, let it go boy.

JONES

8:55 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Absolute worthless piece of lying hypocritical shit...

9:10 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"CJ"...

According to the news coming out of OTA's if we can believe what is reported "DHB" was looking like the best in the nest without Chaz in the fold...Even Nnamdi was impressed and got burned by his quick spin move and left grabbing air...And all this while telling the "D" who the play is coming at...

I would speculate that's allot more to get excited about than the slow choreographed plays from last season which may have limited his development...Although I didn't understand that to be a possible problem at the time...They say "DHB" -n- Murphy have been the hardest workers to improve and now they say they welcome the competition...

If we can develop precise timing patterns these guys and this "O" will be very difficult to defend...That's when running precise routs will show results...Now matter how well the rout is run it's useless if the "QB" isn't on time and target with the ball...

PantyRaider...Lots To Look Forward To!!!/_

9:48 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

I find it interesting to look at last years draft to see who were the best picks so far...

1st rd...
#14....Brian Orakpo "DE"...Skins
#15....Brian Cushing "LB"..Texans
#22....Percy Harvin "WR"...Vikes
#26....Clay Matthews "LB"..Packers

2nd rd...
#42...Jairus Byrd "S"......Bills

5th rd...
#140..Johnny Knox "WR".....Bears

All made the "PB" as Rookies...

Now in retrospect how many here had any of these players pegged as high as the #7 pick...

PantyRaider...The NFL "CrapShoot"!!!/_

7:13 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Check out the "08" class to see who made it including 2 "UDFA"s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

PantyRaider...Amazing!!!/_

7:18 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

I'm excited about progress being made in OTAs; but let us not forget, there is no contact (only incidentals) in the OTAs! It is a glorified flag football game. It is a walk through for mini-camps. OTAs are not designed for effective defensive schemes.

What you don't read about when McFadden puts a spin move on Nnamdi and runs down field; was Nnamdi at an angle where he blows McFad up regardless of the spin? What you don't read about when DHB goes on a quick slant up the middle; was a LB or S in position to blow him up?

I will say, that it is nice to read that we are actually making plays; something that hasn't been done in the OTAs since Noiv Tuhnah was our HC.

I also liked Mario Henderson's quote of Campbell: "I know that if its a 7 drop; he's going to take 7. If its a 5 drop; he's going to take 5." (From Cam Inman article of Bay Area).

I'm waiting for minicamp. The pads, the hits, the pressure, which puts the rubber to the road. I hope that we get the same results with hitting involved. No more "touch" OTA football.

On a different note, I'm in the boat with RT. Yes, I am excited about the Raiders and the upcoming season(and always will be). I'm optimistic about the Raiders turning it around; and I'm excited about the little things I'm reading. But, for me, it's time to put the "W's" on the board. I don't need Hue Jackson to interview to fire me up that we've turned a corner; I need the "W's" to prove we've turned the corner. As optimistic as I am; I'm still saying, "Just Prove It, Baby!"

7:19 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jonesy,

"it isn't my opinion, it's proven fact."

Then it should be easy to prove. Otherwise you’re just blowing gas out body parts claiming it's air freshener.

Circumstantial and antidotal statements as you remember them doesn't constitute proof. It seems you had Marshall being yelled at, but the reports were juuust a bit different. I’m not talking about the last 20 years in the record books. I’m talking about your assessment of current players and yes-men coaches which you claim to be fact. You seem to be avoiding those questions.

Since you are so good at predicting the future how about some lottery numbers for the guys here. Or maybe just who's going to win the Super Bowl next year? As you say, it’s not rocket science

I got if’s and you have a one note samba you keep playing. On the bright side though, my bubble is still intact and if I get enough of them and an accordion I’ve got the Lawrence Welk Show.

Nate,

While your observations of the LB or safety being in position are spot on, at least we aren’t hearing near as much about the drops. You gotta start somewhere. Just accentuating the positives from the report.

Blanda,

Also the fact that Marshall got “yelled at”. We just disremember it incorrectly. And, if memory serves, I said Russell would be released since he refused to renegotiate and there would be no cap hit. Both things made it easier to pull the trigger.

But, I digress. Reports from OTA’s continue to be encouraging. DHB is looking much better. We will see if it’s a trend. Russell could have learned something from this guy about working to improve. Had he done so there may not have been as much in the way hard feelings from the fans.

Now, with the talk turning negative again about Hue Jackson not being made available. JMNLHSO, but Big Fat Hairy Deal. This is something the Raiders have done historically. And, it’s not unique to the Raiders. Everywhere Nick Saban has been a head coach that has been his policy also. Assistant coaches are off limits to the media. I would think that most coaches look at the media as a necessary evil. The upside is they sure as hell can’t be misquoted or misremembered.

H

8:34 AM  
Blogger H said...

One more thing.

Jonesy,

And if they turn it around, what be your stance then?

Simple question. Should be a simple answer.

You are demanding bold predicitons from folks here. But, predicting the same as last year isn't very bold. Pretty mediocre actually.

Blanda,

Click on the picture for a larger view. I say front of the tee shirt, but they have to be crew neck.

It could use some refinement. I don't really have graphic softwear either, so it's the best I can do for the moment.

H

8:52 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

If I can speak for myself...

If the Raiders turn it around, my stance will be the same:

I will give Al Davis the lion's share of the credit (as I do the blame), and I will acknowledge wins and losses as an obvious barometer of success (or failure).

For those who don't give Al Davis the lion's share of the blame in the bad times, or who say that wins and losses don't tell the story, I'm not sure what they are going to do.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I am asking for predictions because the "crew" says it's BEEN TURNED AROUND, being hit out of the park, that a 3 year plan is now in fruition. So, with the claims of this, why aren't all you bold boys not predicting playoffs? It is the "crew" making these statements, so I ask why they aren't making bold predictions of a great year. Understand?

As far as your IF questions...what if pigs flew???want me to comment on that as well? Your "what if's" aren't worth commenting on.

H, it has been proven over time that Al controls what the defense does, this isn't anything new. Players say it, coaches say it, so I don't know what other proof you need. The Raiders have played the same defense for 40 years with numerous coaches, you figure it out.

JONES

9:17 AM  
Blogger H said...

On a more serious note, I will be starting my annual 4 day break of remembrance.

During these next few days I would recommend folks here take the time to attend a Memorial Day Ceremony in their area. For it is the sacrifice of those whose names appear on granite walls, or are represented by Gold Stars and other monuments that has guaranteed our liberties.

Their ultimate sacrifice is what allows us to come here and argue our different viewpoints on football in general and the Raiders n particular.

But, do keep in mind. For many who did come back, a part of them remained, yet they would do it again without question.

H

9:32 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

First off, it's been my opinion all along that DHB was more a Russell problem than one of "incompetence." Second, the first thing a WR with high expectations does after failure is work on improving the problem areas. DHB has a solid work ethic, and I've never heard differently from ANYBODY. Third, his receptions yesterday were short and intermediate. By all reports, even from Nnamdi, DHB was flawless, and short and intermediate is where your routs have to be most precise. If DHB was perfect yesterday it is because both he and the ball were where they were supposed to be.

These are the kinds of things I look for rather than sit here and stew in my own attitude. It is this kind of observation that led me to say during the 2006 pre season that Nnamdi was going to have a break out year and become a Lester Hayes quality CB while others were calling him a bust.

I'm standing by the prediction. Call it hyperbole if you want.

H, that's exactly the picture I had in mind.

9:36 AM  
Blogger H said...

Take,

Thanks, I always count on you to step up to the plate, whether we agree or not.

Joney,

"I am asking for predictions because the "crew" says it's BEEN TURNED AROUND,"

I challange you to find the quote where that has been said. Full quote in context. Otherwise it's just another "fact" that is only true in your mind.

Optimistic, you betcha.

Ok, let's start slow. Jason Campbell, and Rolando McClain. Two new players. What's your analysis of their impact on the upcoming season?

H

9:43 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR said: “Now in retrospect how many here had any of these players pegged as high as the #7 pick...”

Michael Crabtree was picked #10, and should have been the 1st WR off the board. He’s a player! So what that he had a knee-jerk reaction he didn’t want to play for the Raiders. We need players, not friends. As soon as the Raiders play better, all is forgotten.

H said: “This is something the Raiders have done historically.”

I cringe when I see this written in ANY context. Clearly, stating that fact doesn’t make it right. The point about the Raiders improving their public relations is valid, no matter how you want to spin it.

By the way H, nice picture. You look a lot like Al Davis. You will probably be hunted down if Davis finds out... cause that’s the Raiders’ version of public relations.

Finally, I like the way DHB has ONE good practice and suddenly he’s the best WR on the team (which isn’t much of a reach, actually).

“By all reports, even from Nnamdi, DHB was flawless.” Flawless in OTA? That’s laughable.

I’m happy the kid is working hard to get better, and I’m rooting for him to put his disastrous rookie season behind him and put up some numbers in 2010. But come on! He will never live up to the ridiculous reach the Raiders made him at #7.

That's my official prediction for DHB.

9:46 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Interesting point of view, RT. Since I haven't blamed Al Davis for EVERY bad thing that has ever happened with the team, I won't be allowed to give him credit for a successful season this year, operating without a GM.

Uh, okay... I will anyway. Just to let you know in advance.

9:48 AM  
Blogger H said...

Blanda,

How about the wording?

The fact that DHB is doing better in the short and intermediate range is also encouraging.

It is success in those routes that allow him to blow by the DB who has to account for the underneath stuff. Makes the double move more effective.

H

9:50 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Sure thing, Blanda.

But I think I'm in a much better position to give him credit, because I haven't been bending over backwards to deflect blame from Al Davis and to paint him as a victim of a seven-year Gruden curse, coaches and players that he himself hired and drafted, etc.

If he's a victim at the mercy of coaches and players, then I guess it's the coaches and players who'll get the lion's share of the credit if we start winning again?

As for those who dismiss wins and losses as an obvious barometer of success and failure, I'm not sure how they are going to suggest that 10 wins equals success when they won't admit that five wins signifies failure.

9:54 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And now that Russell is gone, more information about last season keeps coming in, and one begins to understand why Russell hasn't even received a phone call since being released. This from Mario Henderson - "Now I can get adjusted as to where (Campbell) steps up in the pocket, (and) I know he's accurate, as far if it's a seven-step drop, I know he'll take seven; if it's five (steps), I know he's going to take five. That's good to be accurate."

Henderson spent last season wondering where Russell was going to plant. Not good for the guy with the responsibility of protecting your QB's wide rear end.

9:57 AM  
Blogger H said...

NYRaider,

I said that because some in the media seem surprised at it, while others are ticked at it.

The guy's primary focus is to get a previously woeful offense in shape and to perform better.

The media should be way down the list of priorities. I'm perfectly happy to here how he's got the offense practicing and what improvement there is than to here him asked fifty questions about Russell and DHB and how much input Al Davis has in the offense.

And with that have a good weekend guys, see you on Tuesday.

H

10:01 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

H, I like the wording as well. This could become like "Ty Cobb's Cheerleaders."

RT, while you accuse me of "bending over backwards to deflect blame from Al Davis and to paint him as a victim of a seven-year Gruden curse, coaches and players that he himself hired and drafted, etc." on a daily basis, such has NEVER been the case. I've freely blamed Al for those things I though he deserved blame for. I've also blamed Gruden and Allen for the things I think they deserved blame. That last, I think, is what upsets you the most.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

ask you friend pantywaist, he's the one who wrote it.

JONES

10:20 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"I don't think it's new plays," Asomugha said. "We've always had all these plays. It's just that now they're running them. Last year they were taking more time on their basic plays whereas now he's going straight into everything and it's helping them out."

For Russell they had to seriously dumb down the offense. That not only effects how the offense practices, it effects how the defense practices.

And also, for the less observant, note the words - "I don't think it's new plays," Asomugha said. "We've always had all these plays. It's just that now they're running them." Translation - this is still Tom Cable's playbook. Hue Jackson didn't bring his own. It's just that now they are actually using the whole playbook.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Jump on every quote...do you ever learn? You have done this every year at this time, IT MEANS NOTHING, until they show it on opening day and beyond. Balanda mixes his self promotion with the promotion of the Raiders. Nothing has changed until we see proof, practising in OTA's means diddly. Remember when Moss came and so many marvelled at how amazing he was at OTA's? How did that translate into the regular season? How have any of the OTA's translated? Show me the WINS.

JONES

10:34 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

JONES, I know the news from the OTA is upsetting you. Good.

I'm wondering who will get the credit for bringing in Hue Jackson. Gruden or Allen?

10:45 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Something's fishy here, Blanda, because virtually every time I've pointed out that Al Davis is most responsible for the state of the Raiders, you and others have jumped all over me.

I think that anyone stumbling into this place, sight unseen and reading the comments over the past several years, would conclude that you and others were (spoon) bending over backwards to deflect blame from Al Davis.

I know you feel otherwise.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

And if Huey fails you are going to blame it on Gruden and Allen? If the Raiders play great and make the playoffs, I'll be the happiest guy on earth, you can believe that. I would get on my hands and knees and kiss Al Davis' feet. I would tell him how sorry I was for doubting him...until then, he's in my shitbook.

I have endured years of frustration and disappointment and I will not get suckered into IF'S and OTA's. No matter how much propaganda that you and the "crew" spew on here every day, I need WINS.

Those who year after year spread such insane stuff about the Raiders, makes me ill to my stomach. It's a foul stench that needs to be sprayed with reality. It's like anything, the longer you deny the truth about a fractured situation, the longer that stench is going to stay.

I look at the "crew" as enabling the stench. It sickens me, I see the "crew" as antiRaider because they are not doing what is needed to turn it around. That is to voice our opinions loud and clear until Al gets the message. The "crew" is holding that back and it's a real piss off.

JONES

11:02 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"Something's fishy here, Blanda, because virtually every time I've pointed out that Al Davis is most responsible for the state of the Raiders, you and others have jumped all over me."

It's Al worship, they put Al ahead of the team and WINS. It's how John Herrera keeps his job, he does the same thing. They think you are turning your back on the team if you don't worship Al. It's odd behavior, but what do you expect from the "crew"?

JONES

11:11 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

RT, what blame, exactly, have I attempted to deflect from Al Davis?

You've said that Al Davis is responsible for all the hiring. Okay, I never said otherwise. I've merely said, "so what." Owners, and even GMs, make bad hires all the time. The key is recognizing the bad hire and reversing it.

You've said that Davis was the only one here during all of the seven years of losing, so it MUST be all his fault. Well, he was also the ONE person there through all the years of winning - so what!

And through all of that you keep telling me that the coaches are not expected to maintain the talent level of the team or win. That's all Davis' responsibility. That's kind of like saying that since Davis signs all the players' contracts, he's responsible for each missed tackle or block.

My position has been the most realistic. Various people are responsible for their various assignments. And no team ever fires the owner when they go about hiring poorly over a period of time. Show me one team where that happens. You'll tell me, "no, they hire a GM." But you've never told me who's fault it is if it turns out to be a bad GM. And who fires the owner if he hires a few bad GMs in a row?

11:17 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"And also, for the less observant, note the words - "I don't think it's new plays," Asomugha said. "We've always had all these plays. It's just that now they're running them." Translation - this is still Tom Cable's playbook. Hue Jackson didn't bring his own. It's just that now they are actually using the whole playbook."...

See where Aso says "we've ALWAYS had these plays"? And you think it's Tom Cable's plays? Aso has been in Oakland long before Tom was there....hmmm, maybe they are Kiffin's plays? Or Walsh's, Or Turners?...could be anyones. Are they still calling "17 Bob Trey 0"?

JONES

11:22 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Blanda, the comment record over the past years speaks for itself.

It's for others to decide now.

You said, "And through all of that you keep telling me that the coaches are not expected to maintain the talent level of the team or win. That's all Davis' responsibility."

No, it's Davis' responsibility to hire coaches who CAN maintain the talent level and win.

Yes, bad hires happen across the NFL. But not at the pace or level that the Raiders have accomplished.

I thought Gruden was a good head coach, but several folks here say he's not, so I guess that makes seven or eight consecutive bad coaches since 1995 (depending on whether or not Cable can elevate is .321 winning percentage).

When you hire an obvious retread like Norv Turner or an out-of-touch Art Shell or a snot-nosed brat like Kiffin, you reap what you sow.

11:29 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

RT, essentially the way you've laid it out is that Al Davis is responsible for absolutely EVERYTHING. But he's the only owner to whom this is applied. Well, that's not quite fair. Do you apply it to EVERY owner who does not hire a GM? So then, is it the GM who is responsible for absolutely everything?

This is the kind of crap I keep arguing against. It is the kind of crap that kept Madden and Flores from getting the credit they deserved.

If the Raiders have success this season, it will be because of the working relationship of Davis, Cable, Jackson and Marshall. If they don't it will be because of the failure of Davis, Cable, Jackson and Ryan. By your rules, ALL of the credit must go to Davis. Will you give him ALL of the credit? I doubt it.

11:31 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Don't make out like the Raiders are run like other franchises, they aren't. Al Davis has a toxic reputation, players don't want to come to Oakland and coaches don't want to coach in Oakland, there is only one person to blame for that. The reason why players and coaches want to avoid Oakland is because of the dysfunctional structure that Al Davis has put in place and condoned.

So, thee who put it together needs the full share of blame because the other parts are all in place because of the structure Al has put in place. If this structure is changed to a more functional structure, then the team will see the benefits, Al has refused to do this up to this point. Trying to avoid this truth is just more worship by the "crew".

JONES

11:42 AM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Who said anything about ALL this or that? That's your word, not mine.

The record CLEARLY reflects that whenever I point out that our problems BEGIN and end with Al Davis, I get an argument from you and others.

And yes, I give other owners equal credit and blame, with more of it for owners who habitually stick their fingers in the pie, like Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder and Al Davis.

Jim Zorn wasn't the main problem in D.C. Jason Campbell wasn't the main problem. Snyder was the main problem.

A good owner limits his involvement to the point that he is over his head or overextended (which can mean little involvement or a lot of it).

He then does his due diligence and hires competent executives and coaches to take it from there.

If the owner continually makes bad hires for those positions, then that's his problem.

If such hires lead to the WORST STRETCH IN NFL HISTORY, then he's got a huge problem.

That doesn't mean he can't correct the problem. But he owns the problem, just as he will own the eventual solution.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous tinfoil said...

Take is dead-on.

Just like Arizona under the Bidwills, and the Redskunks under Snyder were continually horrible.

The Red Wings in Hockey and the Lakers in NBA, those teams have owners that brought in very capable GM's and the teams have been consistently successful.

If Microsoft or Apple struggle, it all goes to Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

Great leaders set the vision - then hire the managers to carry out that vision.

This 7 year run of abject failure is all on Davis.

His team, his vision and since Gruden/Allen left, his management.

We can only hope.

12:38 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Both of you have just said quite clearly that you believe owners should always get the blame when things go wrong, but never get the credit when things go right.

If things go wrong, they are meddling too much. If things go right, they going properly about the task of being seen but not heard.

What a crock.

12:53 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Huh?

That's how you interpret me saying that the owner owns the problem and the solution, and thus gets the lion's share of the blame and/or credit for a team's fortunes?

And that the more an owner is actively involved in football decisions, the more of that share he owns?

That's your actual interpretation, or are you just messing with me?

1:09 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

First off, Take, you have to acknowledge, once and for all, that we see the situation from opposite angles.

I view the seven year slide as being the result of too little involvement from Al. You view the seven year slide as too much involvement from Al.

The fact is that neither of us know the full extent of what Al has been doing, or not doing, behind the scenes. Neither does anybody else. Are you positive that Al Davis insisted on bringing in Hue Jackson this season? I think it's possible (but I really don't know) that Hue was Cable's idea.

Why do I think that? Because he is currently bringing to the team exactly what Cable has been saying the team needs. Cable, if you haven't noticed, is a very bright guy. But since he looks big and stupid, and he works for Al Davis, people assume he's big and stupid.

Whatever the situation, it is obvious to me that both Cable and Al have learned to communicate with each other (as you and I seem incapable of doing). I give them both credit, and it looks like the effort is beginning to pay off.

2:27 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Oh, and just to back up my point, I'll remind you that in 2006 the Raiders went with the 2nd choice (Al's choice) because the first choice (GM Lombardi's choice) turned down the offer.

Now, I've also stated that while I really supported Shell in 2006, he was a major disappointment. But I don't think Lombardi's choice would have been significantly better. Remember what happened with the job Petrino did accept.

2:34 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

I'm trying to be agreeable, but I simply cannot sign off on this statement: "I view the seven year slide as being the result of too little involvement from Al. You view the seven year slide as too much involvement from Al."

My take is that he needs to be involved to the degree that he can personally keep a lid on things and run a functionally competitive team, either by doing it himself, or by hiring the right people to help him do it.

I don't really care what his level of involvement is, as long is it doesn't reach the type of negligent or mismanaged (take your pick) proportions that have led to the worst stretch in NFL history.

If he can turn it around himself, great. If he hires more people to help him do it, great. Regardless, he will get the lion's share of the credit if and when the turnaround occurs.

He owns the problem until he owns the solution.

2:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"I view the seven year slide as being the result of too little involvement from Al."

This view is inherently flawed. Davis is the owner and the GM.

There really is no one else to blame for the lack of executive support and the string of incompetent coaching hires, poor drafting and overpriced FA signings that took place during this period.

I can't imagine why anyone would think Davis didn't pull these strings. Nobody else can.

And if you think recent improvements are the result of Davis' direct involvement, then maybe you need to take a harder look.

IMO, it's more plausable to say recent changes (e.g., a sensible draft) are mostly tied to Tom Cable and the coaching staff... which means the Raiders are still grossly understaffed on the executive side, and the Raiders' coaches are in way over their head.

4:47 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

"I view the seven year slide as being the result of too little involvement from Al. You view the seven year slide as too much involvement from Al."

Q:

How can someone be considered 'not involved enough' when he is both the owner and GM is beyond the scope of reason?

I view the worst stretch in NFL history due to an accumulation of very poor decisions concerning coaching hires, draft selections, free agent acquisitions, and trades.

Have we turned the corner in 2010 with some good decisions on coaching hires, draft selections, free agent acquisitions, and trades?

Personally, the credit and blame game is getting stale. I will let the 2010 record be the final say on this question.

The owners of all 32 franchises are directly involved in the fortunes of their teams.

Regardless of how each franchise is structured and managed, the owner is accountable for the results both good and bad.

Whether the team is mirco- managed or macro-managed, the owner is ultimately accountable for the bottom line ... wins and losses.

The Davis/Cable partnership is hopefully a positive and productive working relationship that leads to success in 2010 and beyond.

My view on the team, coaches, and management is directly tied to performance

6:38 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

You missed it entirely...2 "WR"s drafted later made the "PB" as rookies last season and your "GrabAss" did nothing...He was not even in the considerations...

I specifically asked who had any of these "PB"ers peg for the #7 pick to show just how much the Draft is a total "CrapShoot"...


It was just reported on CSN Bay Area's Sports Ticker that the Raiders are looking for, in excess of, 9 million dollars from JaMarcus Russell.

"H"...

Nice shirt idea...


PantyRaider...Still Arguing Who Fault It Was/Is Till The "Dog" Rots!!!/_

7:37 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Looks like the Raiders are trying to recover approx 9.5M of the money they paid Russell. This case has more "for cause" than the case involving Kiffin... which, to my knowledge, was never decided.

I just can't understand how anyone could be paid that kind of money and, in good conscience, give so little in return.

That's almost as cold and calculated as murder. In a way, Russell did place the Raiders on life support.

Of course, he had plenty of help.

7:38 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

PR -

Michael Crabtree played in the same number of games as DHB, and had 48 receptions. That's more than ANY Raiders' WR in years.

DHB started 11 games and made 9 receptions.

You want to measure rookie WRs by pro bowl appearance, but when was the last time the Raiders sent a rookie at any position to the PB?

Sure any draft pick represents risk.

But how many teams do you think match up to the collective disappointment of Russell, McFadden and DHB.

There's no close second!

Crabtree will easily double DHB's receptions in 2010.

7:50 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"NYR"...

I agree on only one...
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But how many teams do you think match up to the collective disappointment of Russell, McFadden and DHB.
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The others are simply products of the inept "O" they played in...

PantyRaider...Fact Is 2 "WR"s Under The Radar Prove To be The Best Early Returns!!!/_

8:03 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

"If Anyone Looks At This Board"...

It's obviously so divided and hung-up on blame for the past that it can't conduct a simple conversation relating to the hear-n-now...

No matter how many attempts are made to post about a positive possibility for the up-coming season this board is eternally entrenched in the "Blame Game" for your past 7 miserable seasons and why...

It's of your making!!!/_

PantyRaider...Not Ours....We Want To Move Ahead!!!/_

8:23 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Umm, no, it's not all of my making.

You and others keep pounding me with misrepresentations of my positions, past and present.

Then, when I use examples in my own defense (which must naturally be from the past, not the future), you accuse me of not looking forward.

One example: I was happily whistling away about our nice draft when Gary (who three months earlier had forcefully stated his case for GM-level help) started yapping at me for my earlier call for GM-level help. Then you followed his lead, and the next thing I know, what are we talking about? The past.

And that's my fault?

Then you try to bully me into renouncing my earlier takes, which I won't. Then you start digging up quotes from the archives (ie: the past) to suggest that you've trapped me, which you haven't.

You tell me to look in the mirror.

Good advice, I agree. Do you?

8:32 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"RT"...

Not Exactly True...

My reply was to your posting about how you are Never/Rarely wrong...At least not admit it...I'm not following my brother Gary...Sense than I have moved on while stating that it's ridicules to continue these damn stupid arguments over a simple little statement such as...

"Looking at the past there are several post from you that have NOT come to pass and yet you declare there has been "Substantial Change" when early on you specifically defined what "Significant Change" would be and it's quite simply NOT there"...

We are progressing without it...

Now onto other business...

For the record...

I for one am damn glad we did NOT pic "CrabAss" at #7...From all indications he is as worst or worseter than "Moss/Owens"...

Is there anyone here who does not think had he made the "PB" this season he would not be demanding a larger piece of the pie while he holds out from "OTA"s...We have been down that road before and just got rid of one such headache so why would we need another...

While there are other players whom I would have rater had than "DHB" I for one will welcome him and hope/watch his further development despite the perceived cost which has not been paid by me...

I'm NOT the type to be found rooting against my own team or our players as long as they continue to work hard and try to earn their money...

PantyRaider...For The Record!!!/_

9:02 PM  
Blogger Raider Take said...

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

9:15 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Had Such A Great Fall...

Oh! Wait!...That was "Hungry Dumpster" which is where I'm putting your stupid arguments over nothing/zip/zero...

That is the full capacity of your personal demands that have come to pass...

PantyRaider...It Matters NOT!!!/_

9:35 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

PR -

It wouldn't shock me if Crabtree has more receptions in his 1st 2 years than DHB has in his entire career.

Let's face it ... if the Raiders truly turn the corner and players earn their reps. on merit AND if the Raiders sign or draft a more accomplished WR in the next 12 months, DHB could very easily be the 4th WR and rarely see the field.

If DHB becomes a solid, productive WR, it will be a great story of how a guy worked his tail off and proved all the naysayers wrong including myself.

Whether right or wrong, and I will certainly stand corrected, I don't believe DHB has the natural pass catching abilities or football IQ to be anything more than a complimentary 3rd WR and potential deep threat/decoy.

If he synchs up with Jason Campbell, builds confidence, and earns his reps., and puts up decent numbers then I will be pleasantly surprised.

Reports on a single OTA session with DHB running around in shorts and no pads and no contact catching a ball is nothing to get too worked up about.

The bar is set incredibly low for DHB. Most Raider fans would be thrilled with 40 receptions from DHB which are pedestrian numbers for a #7 pick in his 2nd year.

10:07 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYR,

Can't agree with you about Russell.

Russell did not force the Raiders to draft him. Russell did not force them to overpay him. And Russell did not force the Raiders to play him when he was obviously in over his head.

I hope the Raiders do not get one dime back from Russell but instead, learn a lesson. DON'T DRAFT DEADBEATS.

BLANDA,

I don't think Al Davis' problem is that he is over or under involved.

Al's problem is that he won't pay top dollar for a top HC.

Al always had a great eye for HC talent. But years ago, a Madden or Flores didn't break the bank.

But times have changed. If you want the big name, you have to pay up. But Al won't.

Show me a winning Raider team, and I'll show you an excellent HC standing on the sideline.


Al thinks nothing of throwing big bucks at fat Russell or Jevon Walker.

But would he offer that kind of money for Bill Cowher ? No.

Instead, Al is trying to win on the cheap, with HC's that are a cut below.

And that has been his real downfall.

11:26 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

Raider00..

Yes-n-No regarding "HC"s...

One thing has changed drastically and that is that the top "HC"s now all want a piece of the team...More authority in football operations and all the glory...

Al will not give that up to anyone...Not yet...

PantyRaider...Hawk The Franchise!!!/_

12:04 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

It all started with Tuna/Walsh who wanted to be the next Al Davis and get control of a team from the "HC" position...Gruden joined in as did the "Rat"...Jimmy Johnson also..."BelleyCheat" and Holmgren have it partially and Cower would expect/demand it from any team interested in his proven services...

The problem here is that Gruden tried to do it with the guy who did it 1st as if he was too old to recognize it or remember...Foolish mistake...

So the situation is forever changed as regards the top "HC"s as the owners have to try to protect themselves from aggressive take-overs...So it depends on what is the perceived value of winning...

PantyRaider...CutThroatRaiders!!!/_

12:51 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Raider00 -

I feel your frustration. But to counter your points:

Some team was going to draft Russell Top 10.
(Unlike DHB the year after.)

Russell was paid a market rate for his position and draft status.

In a way, the Raiders were forced to play Russell (based on $ alone).

Furthermore, I believe Russell could have "earned" his money and still been a bust. But that would have required him to work.

It's industry standard for the QB to be the hardest working player on a team. He's like a coach.

Certainly when you get paid like Russell, the bar is high to meet that standard.

Russell punched a clock, slept during meetings, and skipped off to Vegas when he should have been with his team.

These things are inexcusable. So the Raiders hired an offseason babysitter and sent a coach to talk to his parents (family).

Do you see how ridiculous that is for someone that has Russell's contract?

Yeah. I hold the Raiders accountable for drafting him. But I also hold Russell accountable for not performing (off the field) at a level that even resembles industry standard.

6:03 AM  
Anonymous Raided Nate 75 said...

RT said, "Mirror, mirror, on the wall..."

Take it back RT! There is no mirror! You are trying to bend sporks, only to jab your eye out! THE SKY IS FALLING! But at least there is sunshine. :-)

I think when Norv and Art Shell were HC, Al was out of the picture because he was having health problems; and his wife had a stroke. He was out of the picture a little bit when Lane first started; but by mid-season, he was back. You knew Al was completely back when he had his epic "fire-Lance-from-an-overhead projector-news conference".

The irony of that news conference was this: Everyone in the room knew Al was back. But with his use of an overhead projector; everyone in the room also knew just how much out of touch with the time and technology he really is.

Now is Al to get credit for everything with the Raiders? Yes. Part of getting credit is also receiving blame when things are in disarray. Is Al completely at fault? NO! And I don't think RT is (or has, for that matter) saying (said) so. Does he have a bigger piece of the blame pie than most coaches, players, GM (or lack thereof)? Yes, yes he does; because it is his responsibility as an OWNER to assemble an organization that is going to work, function, and win. And when these components do not happen, some analysis, evaluation, and change needs to happen.

The problem that Al has had the past 7 years; is he has fallen into a consistent pattern of incompetence among his organization (to the likes he nor his fans have ever seen); and quite frankly, is trying to keep his way of doing things to right the ship. It isn't necessarily horrendous management; but it is out of touch with how things are done today; and not a lot of people can function under his management style (go back to the overhead projector). So because of that, he has fallen into a pattern of incompetence. You can't teach an old dog (and I do mean OLD) new tricks.

The one thing I am watching carefully is Tom Cable's relationship with Al Davis. Since he has come aboard, he has gained trust with Al. It appears that he and Al talk every day; and that it appears not to be a bad thing. If there is truly a trust there, and Cable is learning the ins-and-outs of football scouting (from a long time master of scouting, Al Davis); then I think something special will take place. It appears that Tom has Al's ear, and Al has Tom's ear. It also appears that Tom is bringing some suggestions that is helping improve the situation to fit with how Al manages (and that is key). You don't teach him new tricks, you teach him how to do his old tricks differently.

There appears to be a trust with Tom and Hue Jackson also, and Hue is shaking things up as only Hue can. But keep in mind, we are only in the OTAs. No pads, no hits, no tackling; just a glorified two-hand touch football game; where there is no substance, just glamor.

Are the Raiders back? Are they on the road to return to glory? Will Al Davis really get the last laugh? I don't know. It would appear they are on the right track; but there is still one thing they need to do. "JUST PROVE IT, BABY!"

6:06 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Correction. DHB was drafted two years after Russell. How time flies when you're having fun!

6:06 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

You know, Take, what kind of amazes me is that we basically agree. But you keep disagreeing with things I never said.

Nate, you have chosen different words to say exactly the same things I've been saying. So obviously I agree with you.

9:35 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

RaiderNate75...

I have to agree with most of what you posted...The "Blame" aside it was a decent/positive view of a very difficult situation...

Myself...I'm not much for posting blame...Most of my experience suggest that when things go well all involved were working in a positive direction of cooperation...Conversely when there is a total "MeltDown" it's usually a very negative situation of division -n- contrary agendas -w- disabidance....Some times even sabotage...Unfortunately I have been on both side of that puzzle a time or two...

Re: "OverHead Projector"...

That was allot made out of something very simple...For what possible reason I have no answer except it's easy to pick on an "OldMan" for something...

"Out-o-Touch"...Why...Because he still enjoys using an old tool...That's really all it is...Damn...I'm 60 this season and I do it all the time....

Why I even have an old "ScubaPro" diving regulator from the late "60"s -w- a siren that sounds when the air gets low for the reserve...Difficult to keep repaired because the parts are all gone but hell I can use a modified spring from a later model regulator I find at a junk sale and install it...

Not to mention some of my old scooters-n-cars...Mostly British and a 1944 British Admiralty Motor Launch that served in Normandy...Now am I out of touch because I continued to use some old hand wood working tools in her repairs or my favorite brass Sextant at sea...

In my neighborhood we call that "Nostalgic" and I for one love it...If you look around I have the Hi-Tech but would also use Borax Beads to identify Chromite in conjunction with an "EDX Pocket III"...Just because I can...

So I fervently disagree with the "Out-a-Touch" take but that's just an "OldMan" speaking...

PantyRaider..."60" Is Beautiful!!!/_

9:40 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

My guess is that Russell doesn't have 9.55 million of his money left. If the Raiders win, this could get interesting.

And let's drop the rear view mirror braggadocio. If Russell was a top ten draft pick coming out of college (and he certainly would have been selected in the top 5) then he WORKED HARD to get there. Therefore it was a reasonable expectation that he would continue to work hard. But the fact is also that 40 million dollars, paid in advance and guaranteed, can make some people very lazy. You don't necessarily know who those people are until pay day.

9:43 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Oh, and Panty makes a very good point. I DO NOT agree that Davis is "out of touch." Actually I think Davis is most likely one of the most "in touch" of all the owners. He hasn't gotten shy, knows virtually everyone in the NFL, and spends his entire day on the phone.

He can be, and should be, a HUGE resource for ANY coach. But it's largely up to the coach to approach him that way. Gruden did - through Allen - , Madden did, Flores did, Shell I did, and Cable does.

9:50 AM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

I find it very silly that so much is made about a projector...Just some damn "Mediot"s PunchHappy jokes that get swallowed without being questioned...

Bet if someone made a joke about one of their old cameras they would get Uncorked...Or maybe that old TypeWriter they never threw away...

PantyRaider...My Favorite Old FootBall!!!/_

10:00 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

"and spends his entire day on the phone."

Too funny...maybe if he got off the god damn phone, he might get something done!!!@!Why is he spending his entire days on the phone and how exactly do you know he is on the phone the entire day? Does he break for lunch, or does he speak with his mouth full? It's already hard to understand Al when he is speaking, imagine him with a mouthful of tuna salad......keep them dots a coming......

As far as Al being out of touch...dot dot dot...America's Game, ever watch it? It was the one with the '83 team. Todd Christensen was explaining Al's promotion of the team in L.A. He explained that Al didn't believe in promoting, he said that Al always thought the team will promote itself...that was BACK THEN, he still thinks that way today. Wonder if he takes his fan base for granted? Low attendance and billboards could be changing his mind, or it could make him spiteful....


JONES

10:08 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

What is funny about the projector is......Al is stuck in the '70s....get it? You do know about technology advancements, don't you? You know, where you could be using a laptop and have it into a COLORED screen. Stuff like that, it makes it look like the organization is in the 21st century. But, the team with one of the oldest stadiums and known for being stuck in the past...yeah, I can see how some would find that funny.

You old coots are really funny, which one of you looks like Bea Arthur? It's 2010, people laugh at stuff from the 70's, like how naive and simple it was, they made a show to mock the 70's, but you and Al are stuck there and cannot get past it.......

......time for a new reality

JONES

10:20 AM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

NYR & BLANDA,

I am not so sure Russell would have been a top 10 pick if the Raiders passed on him.

We have seen these so called "elite Qb's" slide before.
Aaron Rodgers, Brady Quinn, Jimmy Claussen, just to name a few.

It seems to me the Raiders just did not do their homework on Russell.

Was Russell an intelligent, hard working leader for LSU, that suddenly turned into a dim, lazy bum for the Raiders ? Overnight ?

The Raiders needed to look deeper into Russell. Beyond his arm strength.

I bet a lot of teams would have passed on the incredibly hungry, Hulk.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

I agree with 00.....he was fat at the combine, we all saw the pictures. I posted the picture on this site, he was wearing a moo moo.

Knew he would be a bad pick, if he couldn't be in shape and motivated for the combine, you would think there might be a chance it would be the same for the team who picked him? Come on, anyone with a brain wouldn't use a first overall on a guy who showed lack of desire from the get go. More than a few argued that Russell was a nobody until he beat Notre Dame, too much risk for a 1st overall. Then he held out, came in fat, showed lack of heart = disgusting pick.

Then came McFadden and then the capper DHB = YIKES. Hopefully McClain can be something special cause this team needs SOMETHING to turn it around. I have a hard time believing that Campbell will be the guy to right the ship, he never came close in Washington, how will he do it here? This team is still loaded with Avg to below Avg talent, I'm can't tell you that a 250 lb women ( the Raiders) is nice to look at, if you do, something ain't right.

JONES

1:31 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Here he is, what an athlete:

http://www.bay-area-sports-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/jamarcus-russell-diamond-jersey.jpg

http://media.al.com/live/photo/jamarcus-russell-mardi-gras1jpg-e1d57f0c204afe9c.jpg

http://www.westcoastshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/179.jpg

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/05/08/ba-raiders_camp__0500122201.jpg

JONES

2:24 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"Was Russell an intelligent, hard working leader for LSU, that suddenly turned into a dim, lazy bum for the Raiders ? Overnight ?"

Our problems didn't really develop with Russell until last season. If you will remember, he seemed to be developing fine. The last to games of 2008 looked very promising. Then, when he came back the following off season he was out of shape and hadn't been working. He continued not working through the remainder of the season.

The reason, apparently, is his uncle who died in the summer of 2009. This was the guy who kept Russell motivated. He was the one who took Russell all around the country visiting QB camps, and keeping him practiced and interested.

There is absolutely NO question in my mind that if the Raiders did not pick Russell, he would have been gone before the sixth pick.

The only question, at that time, about Russell's work habits came from the fact that he showed up at the combine overweight. But he showed excellent skill at LSU's pro day.

And TO THIS DAY, every former coach says that he worked hard all the way through college.

4:37 PM  
Blogger PantyRaider said...

"BR"...

Good points...Sometimes people get "Mental Disorders" for a variety of reasons or been suffering threw them while still performing well and at some point are also able to get over them....Obviously NOT everyone though as is in evident here every day...

Who knows what will send a kid over the cliff...Sometimes it's something that seems very small and insignificant while others can go threw tremendous upheaval and appear to stay completely focused...

Hell....Barret Robins is a perfect example and one still fresh in most of our minds...Thing is he continued to work hard until the eventual "Break-Down" initiated by a "Wife-Thumping" from another player...Would have been a much better result had he just beat that players ass and brought all his anger to the game but "Tears" were stronger than anger...

PantyRaider..."Thumping Tears" Took Down The Whole Team!!!/_

6:29 PM  
Anonymous raider00 said...

PR & BLANDA,

Russell did not have any mental disorder, or give up on life because his uncle died.

Russell failed because he was not very bright, and had a poor work ethic.

The Raiders should have recognized these traits in Russell prior to the draft.

But to me, it will be worth the millions wasted on Russell if the Raiders learn the lesson to stay away from these deadbeats in the future.

3:52 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

It's pretty clear the Raiders did not do their homework on Russell.

No way this kid turned fat, dumb and lazy after he joined the Raiders.

The Raiders barely had any contact with Russell prior to drafting him.

They had the #1 pick in the draft, and nobody, not even Russell, knew he was the pick.

You'd think the Raiders would have met with Russell at some length, and even tried to negotiate contract terms prior to drafting him... like so many teams before and after Russell's draft.

It's as if the Raiders had no more access to, nor information about, Russell than any of us.

And it boils down to Al Davis, because even he said Kiffin did not want to draft Russell.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

Blaming Russell's poor 2009 off-season and poor 2009 season on his uncle's death is ridiculous.

If he wanted to honor his uncle, he would have worked 2x as hard and acted like a professional. Russell was a 24 year old adult who shirked his responsibilities to the organization and his teammates.

In summary, Russell was immature, unprofessional, and lazy.

11:30 PM  
Anonymous scorpio said...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/29/raiders-could-be-trying-to-set-up-an-offset/

HUH???? too much dang lawyer speak!

9:52 AM  
Blogger H said...

Jonesy,

“And if Huey fails you are going to blame it on Gruden and Allen.”

What’s this, an “if”? You mean it’s not fact. He might succeed?

“Nothing has changed until we see proof, practising in OTA's means diddly.”

Would that be Bo Diddley? OTA’s are all about attitude, work and timing, before you put the pads on.

“Remember when Moss came and so many marvelled at how amazing he was at OTA's? How did that translate into the regular season?”

Moss is the wrong example, I was on record saying I didn’t want Moss. Not a team guy. Moss would have never made those blocks that Murphy did on Millers TD last season.

“Those who year after year spread such insane stuff about the Raiders, makes me ill to my stomach.”

“I look at the "crew" as enabling the stench. It sickens me, I see the "crew" as antiRaider because they are not doing what is needed to turn it around. That is to voice our opinions loud and clear until Al gets the message. The "crew" is holding that back and it's a real piss off.”

Ah, I see it now. Shared misery. You are miserable and you want everyone to share in that misery. If the world joins you in your misery you think it will make you feel better somehow. You’re not having fun so you don’t want anyone else to have fun either.

It’s part of a disorder I call curmudgeonism. I used to be a practitioner for while, but gave it up in the 90’s.

One of the major benefits of optimism is when things turn around it’s more enjoyable. No fussing about what took so long, or why didn’t they listen to me sooner, just enjoy the ride. It allows you to appreciate it more.

So, if my optimism makes you ill, well that’s your problem. As for me doing what is needed, I’m sure Al Davis is just wandering the halls of Alameda with his walker all hours of the night waiting to hear from me.

I’ll keep my rose colored glasses on when it comes to football, thank you. For you, maybe some Pepto-Bismol.

Also, I’m not accusing you of “serving up false propaganda”. Not even sure how you could deduce that. Maybe a Freudian slip? I’m accusing you of stating your opinion which I don’t have a problem with. It’s just that you are demanding everyone accept your “opinion” as fact.

Calico,

I agree, the blame game is getting pretty boring. What isn’t boring is from a statistical and talent standpoint, this team appears to be light years ahead of this time last year.

But, I caution. Be careful with all those “if’s” they upset some folks.

Now, if I did my math right, last year we had 4,258 yards in total offense. Jason Campbell passed for 3,618 yards. He was only 640 short of our total offensive output with a very suspect line and only marginally better receivers. I say marginally because I believe our wide receivers are better than they get credit for. If you combine his passing with our rushing you get over 1,000 additional yards (before sacks). He completed 77 passes to his tight ends. Imagine what he can do with Zach Miller.

Further, Russell was sacked about every 7.5 times he dropped back. Indictment of the line, right? Not necessarily so. For Gradkowski it was every 13.6 times. For Frye it was 17.4. Campbell’s rate was 11.8. Gradkowski and Frye started 7 games. That’s enough for a legitimate comparison, plus Gradkowski played in relief in 3 other games.

Just accentuating the positive once again.

On the grievance against Russell. The latest news is that it will actually be a grievance against future earnings since the contested monies were advances against 2010-2012. It appears under the rules the grievance had to be filed within 45 days of his release.

One article I enjoyed was about Mario Henderson’s relationship with Cable. He looks to Cable as a father figure. Seems Henderson never knew his father. Cable has been on his butt since day one, pushing him. Something he says he hasn’t had in football until now.

Well done Nate.

There, I think I’m caught up now. Hope everyone had a nice holiday and took the time to remember our fallen.

H

8:07 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Calico & NY, thanks for telling us the inner workings of JaMarcus Russell's mind. What's your source by the way.

Thanks for being so huffy and puffy in your judgments, Calico. But if you'd look back on my posts you'd note that I've said the reason Russell's uncle's death mattered is that his uncle is the one who stood over him to make him work at it. I also noted earlier that Favre lit up the Raiders on the night his father died. This is just in the interest of "informed Calico declarations."

H, is right. The Raiders are seeking an offset, not a return of the money. It's not on the basis of what the contract says, but on league rules and general contract law.

In other words, if Russell does get signed by someone for any of the years in which the Raiders have already paid him, the Raiders want off the hook for the money paid to him by his new team.

The Raiders are claiming they've paid 9.55 million in advance salary, so any portion of that money paid to Russell by another team would be returned to the Raiders. I hope that's clear.

9:32 AM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Another thing that seems to be getting prevalent around here is "Davis failed to do proper research and due diligence when he drafted Russell." Yeah? BS!

First off, yes there were questions raised about Russell just before the draft - exactly like there is with EVERY expected No. 1 pick prior to EVERY draft.

And, yes, a couple of people around here said they didn't want Russell the year he was selected. Far fewer than the number who are beginning to tell us that they always knew he'd be a bust.

Well, guess what. Sometimes top draft choices turn out to be busts. That's why money paid based on "potential" is wasted money. That's why we need a rookie salary cap.

And here's another clue. Al Davis was NOT the first to pay top dollar for a No. 1 draft pick. If the Raiders had selected a different player for No. 1, they'd have paid very close to the same money if not more.

Of course the vast majority of us here would have known exactly who to spend that money on, wouldn't we? Of course we would. Only Al Davis couldn't figure it out.

9:56 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda -

You said this:

"Calico & NY, thanks for telling us the inner workings of JaMarcus Russell's mind."

Then you said this:

"The Raiders are seeking an offset, not a return of the money."

Ok. Thanks for telling us the inner workings of the Raiders law-suit... something not even the Raiders' attorneys would admit.

My statement is based on memory. Russell admitted (post-draft) that he was not certain the Raiders would pick him #1. I believe he said that right before he said it was time for him to get paid.

That interview stuck with me because he left the impression he was more concerned about money than playing football and winning games.

10:09 AM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda -

Teams with the #1 pick have the ability to negotiate terms with their candidates.

This is something teams prior to, and since Russell's draft selection have done to pre-empt the kind of holdout and stupidity that the Raiders trapped themselves in to. It was the impetus for Houston to take Williams over Bush, when RB was a top priority for them.

You may not like that because it doesn’t fall into your “Raiders did everything right” belief.

10:19 AM  
Anonymous JONES said...

Why have the Raiders already paid Russell for seasons that haven't happened yet? Talk about poor management. Who pays a guy, who is fat and lazy, money upfront? Who would do that? Does Gruden and Allen get blamed for that?

JONES

12:07 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

Houston took Williams over Bush because Williams was cheaper and Bush was a question mark for the NFL.

Each year the value of the #1 pick is determined by the year before. Davis did not set that up. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - knew the amount of money it was going to cost to wrap Russell up, and it was simply a matter of you are willing to pay or you're not.

What does it tell you that this is the ONLY first round pick in Davis' history who was not in camp on the first day of camp?

Well, NY, it seems to tell you that Davis can't even get a signing right. But that doesn't surprise me.

12:09 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

And, NY, I work in the legal field. I understand contract law. It's not guess work for some people when analysing this kind of strategy.

But I guess you know better.

12:11 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Blanda -

"Houston took Williams over Bush because Williams was cheaper and Bush was a question mark for the NFL."

How do you suppose Houston knew Williams would be "cheaper" prior to making the pick?

Bush wasn't a question mark. Most experts thought Bush was a "can't miss" pick.

"Each year the value of the #1 pick is determined by the year before. Davis did not set that up. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - knew the amount of money it was going to cost to wrap Russell up...."

Then why didn't a contract get signed until the season started?

The protracted contract negotiation with Russell and his ultimate holdout was arguably a huge contributing factor in his failure as a Raider... which, like it or not, Al Davis played a major role.

1:02 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

"And, NY, I work in the legal field. I understand contract law. It's not guess work for some people when analysing this kind of strategy."

I've dealt with some really bad attorneys before.

I guess if it was so obvious, it would have gotten done sooner. Right?

1:07 PM  
Blogger nyraider said...

Here's an interview with Texans owner Bob McNair. His position makes perfect sense, and represents the model for good management when it comes to drafting college talent.

http://tinyurl.com/2fmv8qg

This is NOT the Raider way.

1:23 PM  
Anonymous JONES said...

NY is blasting Balanda again.....give it up Balanda, the more you try to look smart...the farther down the hole you go. Must be awfully dark down there.

JONES

2:00 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"How do you suppose Houston knew Williams would be "cheaper" prior to making the pick?"

Oh, gee, I don't know, NY... Maybe it's because Williams is a D-lineman and Bush is a RB. D-lineman are always cheaper than RBs, even as 1st Round picks. You don't have those facts in your vast repertoire of knowledge?

And your statement that everyone thought of Bush as NFL ready is BS. Everyone thought he would be like McFadden is proving to be. As a matter of fact, folks were building up McFadden as not having Bush's down side.

And you are touting the Houston Texans as the model for the NFL draft? Really? The team who ONCE managed to get in sight of the play offs, only to be thwarted by OUR 5-11 team? THAT Houston Texans? Okay, you stick with that.

"I've dealt with some really bad attorneys before."

Did you deal with bad attorneys, or did they have a bad client? The two are often confused. However, being in the legal field doesn't necessarily mean one is an attorney. But I have no doubt your assumption reflects the depth of your analysis.

3:15 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

"Then why didn't a contract get signed until the season started?"

I think that's been revealed to the extent it's going to be revealed. What is known is that Davis set the price based on the season before, and sent Kiffin's hand picked man, Jackson, into negotiate. When the negotiations became protracted, Davis kicked Jackson aside and delivered virtually the same contract he'd offered to begin with.

That's what we know, and it's been dicussed. But it's apparent that the reason you re-write recent history is because you can't remember it.

3:31 PM  
Blogger BlandaRocked said...

JONES, I know of no one who's opened up the door to the stupid hole any wider than you.

"Why have the Raiders already paid Russell for seasons that haven't happened yet? Talk about poor management. Who pays a guy, who is fat and lazy, money upfront? Who would do that? Does Gruden and Allen get blamed for that?"

EVERY newly signed player receives up front money unless they sign for the league minimum. EVERY 1st round signee receives up front money for several seasons in advance.

Prove me wrong, JONES. List the contract of every NFL player that proves me wrong. Arguments from you are now becoming breathtakingly stupid.

3:41 PM  
Blogger Calico Jack said...

BR -

My source on the inner workings of Russell's mind is a 3 year body of work where it was established that Russell had a bad work ethic (lazy), was not dedicated in how he approached his career (unprofessional), and was immature in how he dealt with any set-backs to include the passing of his uncle (weak character).

My point was simple. It is ridiculous to deduce that Russell's poor 2009 off-season and regular season was due to his Uncle's death. A 24 year old adult, 3rd year veteran, and an alleged "professional" should not rely on his uncle to act like a responsible adult.

Put yourself in Russell's shoes for a minute. If you really wanted to pay homage and respect to your uncle, the last thing you would do is fold up your tent and quit on your teammates.

If anything, Russell just used the passing of his uncle as an excuse to roll over. This would be a case of a person without the intestinal fortitude to overcome life's challenges.

6:29 PM  

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