Quick Postgame Take
Better playcalling, same awful execution. Where are Madsen and Morant? Why didn't we sign another kicker for this game? Lights-out defense gets no support from special teams or the offense. Again. The illness appears to be systemic. The gulls circle. The Coliseum goes dark.
posted by Raider Take at 6:07 AM
23 Comments:
RT-
I thought the only offensive positive was better play calling in the second half, showing that Shoop could make adjustments at the break. We just have too many issues on that side of the ball. The D brings it every week and I still like the STs despite how they played yesterday
In the second half, when we were in the redzone, the offense decides to implode .. and move further away, making it harder for playcalling and SeaBass.
Interestingly, our special teams has gotten away from a lot of criticism. However, they seem to have played a key role in blowing several games for us this year. Our coverage teams have been too hit and miss. Yesterday just another debacle.
Regarding other stuff yesterday, let's not sweat it given this is a lost year.. We should just hope that the upcoming several weeks don't go so badly that it impacts our future in a negative way. My goal is to leave all the bad sh*t in this year and hopefully move ahead next year. Our D is so good, except for fact we can't stop the run. That unfortunately is critical given running games of our division foes.
Two additional points I found interesting. Our first two pass plays were great! Quick slants off 3 step drops. I had such high hopes for Shoop. Why didn't we try those quick passes again?!?
Also, we never threw deep to Moss, Whitted or Curry. Have to do that at least 2-3 times a game. Should have set that up with more quick hitters from first point above.
Adrian Peterson, Brady Quinn, Troy Smith... start thinking about those names. This year's disasterous Raider season will certainly make college bowl games more interesting.
I agree Dan, we need a big-time run stuffer in the middle to compete in the AFC West, but not before we address major holes on the offense.
It amazes me that this team can find a completely new way to lose every week. Sunday's flavor was fumbles and blown field goals. Factor in the sacks and the Texans had negative yards passing. Negative!
I have a question is for all you so called Raider's fan that all you do is spend all week critizising and second guessing my team.
Where do you go from here?
The Raider's suck, the coaching sucks, the owner is the worst owner in the world, this is your chance to become a hater, what are you waiting for, I can assure you of one thing I don't need you as a "fan" and for sure the Raider's don't need you as a fan, NEGATIVITY is not something we need, the Raider's are going to loose many more games before they start wining, get that in your head, critizing and second guessing won't do it either, let time take its course, things will get better when they do I promise you, I will personally call you so you can come back and say that you always knew, you can come back and say that you never left all is fine, I take the critizism from any and everybody and I don't mind it, but hearing it from the Raider's fans is the worst, I know that it is difficult for crying outloud my son's name is Michael Raider, believe me I know it is painful, but as my son says it, he can take the garbage from anybody when they tell him that the team sucks and that his name is %^$&^, but the one thing that he doesn't understand is that the so called Raider fan's talk more smack about the team then anybody else.
Take care
always and forever RAIDERS.
BTW, here's the incomprehensible statement of the day:
"It hurts to the heart when you kill yourself," left tackle Chad Slaughter said. "We're wondering what it is just like you are."
Coach, I don't know which parties you were directing that towards, but this is a blog where Raiders fans speak their minds, positive or negative. It can be optimistic boasts or vitriolic rants, but when you're 2-10 on the season you can expect more of the latter.
What you call negativity, I call frustration. However, unlike a locker room environment, us griping about the team on a blog isn't going to affect the team's performance on the field. Therefore, there's no harm with fans being critical about their favorite team.
In fact, I'd rather discuss sports with a person who has objective opinions about their team than someone who's just blindly optimistic. That's usually because you'll find the objective people are the real fans who have been there through the good and bad seasons and have stuck by their team. The blindly optimistic ones are often either casual fans or new bandwagon jumpers who might just jump to another team if the losing continues (this is a casual observation made over the years and not anything directed to you, or anyone else on this blog).
So where do we go from here? I think that Shall already made the first move by replacing Walsh with Shoop. Aside from that, there's not much more that can be done this year. We're pretty much stuck with the personnel we have until next year.
RT: Is it too late to begin the "draft Troy Smith" campaign.
Raidercoachella: How can you not criticize your team when they seem like they are accepting these losses. We lost to the Texans, the f@cking Texans, AT HOME! Your refusal to criticize the Raiders does not make you a better fan. The team seems apathetic to the situation and I like many of my friends and family are anything but apathetic when it comes to the Raiders. This blog is a forum for Raider fans, if we cannot be honest with each other then that's pathetic. It is one thing to act like a hater bashing the Raiders in the media or with a bunch of whiner fans, it is quite another to "call 'em like you see 'em" with family. It's called constructive criticism. It's like criticizing your family or friend when they are ruining their life. We criticize because we care. When the team begins winning again, it will be with better execution, better game planning and better play calling and yes I will say that I knew changing these aspects of the game would make us a better team.
Again, for all who are already piling on the "Let's draft a QB" wagon; start countering those thoughts with "Al Davis will not draft a QB."
Troy Smith and Brady Quinn are not going to be drafted by the Raiders (especially since they are not better than Young and Leinart; both whom were skipped by Al). I'm calling my shot, the Raiders pick a RB. More than likely Marshawn Lynch, Antonio Pittman*, Mike Hart*, or Adrian Peterson*(if they enter the draft; all 3 are Juniors).
I'd choose any of the 3 over Peterson though.
More than likely, we will be pursuing Leftwhich from Jacksonville, or someone else at QB. I say, stick with Walter.
I think we should trade Moss for a veteran RB, O-Tackle, and another first rounder. Then with the second first round pick; select Ted Ginn Jr, Dwayne Jarret, or Limas Sweed to replace Moss. Then nothing but O-lineman, TE, and Fili Moala (DT, USC) after that. Anything else is inexcuseable.
Raidernate - Obviously have no idea who team will draft, but I'm hoping for a QB first. Raiders have never done it, but given situation, perhaps now is time. However, if the QBs aren't considered great prospects, then go with who ever we believe is the sure thing.
The so called draft experts really blow it when they refuse to give adequate comparisons. For example, is Brady Quinn more like a Peyton Manning prospect, or David Carr/Alex Smith? If he's considered more like Peyton, I say the Raiders should draft him. If he's more like Alex Smith, then go with the next Ladanian.
Lastly, I don't think we will get much for Moss or Porter. People will use this year against us when they trade. If I was another team, I would offer a 3rd rounder, maybe a second rounder, and tell Raiders to take it or leave it. For Porter, I would offer Raiders a 4th rounder. Raiders have no leverage.
First off, we didn't skip on Young and had he been there we would've taken him. I don't see us drafting Quinn but I definitely think we could draft Smith.
I would not mind a RB but if we don't go QB I think we would be wise to trade down or go after a stud left tackle. It seems safe to say that Gallery is not working. Perhaps we can use him on the right side or as a guard.
I appreciate constructive critizism, I don't mind it, as a matter of fact I encourage it, but when it changes from constructive to destructive and we loose sight of what is it that we are dealing with then it becomes a matter of reorganizing your taughts and if it is too painful of a case than maybe it is time to move on, I have been a fan since 1980, I have seen my team win superbowls, I have never seen them as bad as they are this year but again belittleing the coaching staff wether Walsh or Shoops, or me questioning the integrity of the owner or second guessing his judgment is not going to make me a better fan, I know that Mr. Davis hates to loose, I also know that he will find remedies as early as next year to win again, he will do a little tweeking here and there in the offense and we will start winning again.
You know what is funny,I have said this many times before in this take! the Chicago Cubs fans don't ever cry about their team's misfortunes, winning is great but not everything, again if all you care about is winning you should be cheering for San Diego this year and next year change team for whomever wins the most games, like that you will never be disapointed.
That is my single minded point of view, I come to this take because there are a lot of fans that truly care for the same team I care about that being my beloved Raiders, I am not a comfrontational person, but to me it is devastating to hear people that love this team as much as I do talk trash about them, again constructive is real good, destructive I can't take and don't appreciate.
Coach-
Take it from an 8 year resident of the Chicago area--Cubs fans whine plenty and...Cubs fans expect to lose, Raiders fans expect to win. All we're doing here is sharing opinions, out of frustration more than anything [as Doobie aptly put it]nobody here's jumping ship
after that proformance yesterday......i'd jump ship, but i've tried everything brillo pads, sand paper a grinding wheel...nothing will take off this freakin tattoo!!!!! just kidddin. been a raiderfan since birth (or close to) and will be till i take the big dirt nap!!! hang in there folks, remember it takes time to turn a team around. it's possible to do it overnight but very very rare. it took gruden two years to weed out the bad apples. give Art some leash.
Coach: the fact that we're even here talking about and watching games so closely at this juncture of an abysmal season speaks volumes to our loyalty and devotion to this team. However, I reserve the right to question “authority” (I consider Al and Art authority figures) in all aspects of my personal and professional life with criticism (mostly constructive) and, perhaps on a rare occassion, even creative insight. Thanks to bloggers like RT, I can do that. After thirty-some years as a card-carrying member, I’m not ready to jump ship!
That said, I'm still trying to hash this game out in my mind. There's just no way to rationalize it. It's been 25 years since a team lost while allowing negative passing yardage. I just hope the whole defensive team and coaches don't jump ship before the offense gets on track (hopefully, next year).
One offensive TD in the 1st half. None in the 2nd half. It all sounds to familiar.
It begs the question, why is Brooks even playing. We have 2 wins this year, and they were with Walter under center. Granted, Walter played bad for the most part, but I don't see any improvment with Brooks.
It is just a huge waste of time to play Brooks at all from this point foward.
We may end up drafting/signing a QB in the offseason anyway, but let's give Walter, who has played only a handful of NFL games, a closer look.
Just look at the difference in the Cowgirls, switching from Bledsoe, to Romo,(an undrafted free agent).
You just never know when the light will go on in Walters eyes. That's what happens with young QB's.
Hey, maybe the light never will go on, but that remains to be seen.
I've seen enough of Albert Brooks.
Let's give the ball back to the young guy with some upside.
And something else.
Why was Randal Williams signed to an extension earlier this yr ??
Based on what exactly ???
The man stinks, but apparently, whoever is evaluating talent in Oaktown these days, stinks even worse.
And another problem. Deep in his heart Seabad the kicker knows that no matter how many big kicks he misses, he will be kicking in Oakland for a long, long time.
Why? Because a certain Owner, who used to look like he was ready to rip the opponents throats out, by now seems to be trying to better understand all mankind, likes him.
This is just wrong. Al please, go back to being cut throat again.
Get rid of the deadwood, like Jano, & R. Williams, and start loving real football players again, like in the old days.
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZ. Do this for the fans Al. I'm beggin ya !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm late to this discussion but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth regarding RaiderCoachell's comments.
I think that the majority of Raider fans who visit RT's blog bleed Silver and Black. Everyone is entitled to offer their own critical points of view. There are a few "haters" who troll on various blogs but who cares about them.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that one of the main reasons for visiting a Raiders blog is to have an on-going, open discussion about the good, bad, and ugly matters revolving around the Raiders.
I took my 10 year old nephew to his first game yesterday. During the game when Williams fumbled the ball for the 2nd time, my nephew was just as disappointed as the guy next to us who has been following the team for 40 years.
The point being that whether you are a new fan, old fan, critical fan, or blindly loyal fan, we all care about the Raiders and hurt when they lose.
RaiderdeCoachella:
I compleatly understand where you are comming from Bro....I too had these feelings but have sense learned to pull back my "Over Enthusiactic Zeal" a little and not ty to inflict it on my fellow fans.....It is true....I would never speak the way some fans speak about my Raiders but that is because I am so "Positive" in my approach and not all of us are that way....So we have a mix.....Some "Pos+"-w-some "Neg-" RaiderFans but we are all Fans......the one thing you have to weed out is the other "Posters" who are "ImPosters" who say they are RaiderFans and do NOTHING but "BadMouth" the Raiders.....I know who some of them are and reject their "Post" as soon as I see it.....Why even read the "Crap".....The other thing that really bothered me is when the Raiders had a 2 game winning streak.....NONE of these guys showed up to talk then.....Why NOT....and that is what I was asking at the time....."Where the hell are you when we are winning?"....I could not wait to "Post" after the AZ game and all week leading up to the Pitt's Game but the site was almost "Empty" and that really hurt!!!/__
raider00:
Right-On Bro.....why NOT play the young guys??/__
Here is a posible "Trade" thought....
To Miami....Porter-n-Brooks for Culpeper-n-Williams(Ricky).....Miami is about the only team who may be as motivated as the Raiders to make a trade to get rid of some of their "Cap" Crap....They gave a Big contract to Culpepper and also to RickyWilliams but are not going to get anything out of them.....We need a "RB" and maybe "Ricky" would fit in and stay clean with the Raiders.....it's a gamble but not as big of a gamble as keeping Porter another year.....Culpepper may be better when he is compleatly healthy.....he tried to come back too early on that knee but that showes me he has alot of "Heart" and is not just playing the game for a "PayCheck"....And that would make Moss happy to ReUnite one of the best "QB-WR" combos in recent NFL History....and scare the hell out of the "D"s so they have to play deep and that opens up our running game and WR-TE paterns underneith the coverage....
Detroit may be interested in trading a WR for WR....they drafted 3 high rounders that are not working out....
Gruden may be interested in Porter in TB.....
Gallery would be wanted by Turner at SadFranchiseWiners....and others who believe they could make him a fit....
We have posibilities out there so now is not too soon to start looking and thinking....Right now that is my only "Pos+" that I can offer....we are tied with the Lions for the #1 and we have the "TieBteakers".....165Pts to 215Pts....1-8 in Conferance to 1-7 for Lions....0-5 Div to 0-3 Div....and if we do not want the "QB" we could trade down for more help which is what we need....
PantyRaider.....(Pos+)inDaNeg-Atmosphear!!!!
PantyRaider,
It was fun reading your trade idea's, but Culpepper is way on the downside, & R. Williams would make Porter look like a boyscout.
Here's a trade to chew on. Randy Moss to Washington, for Sean Taylor.
Gibbs traded Baily, for Portis, and he loves to collect WR's, so maybe he'd do this. Just a thought.
My idea of a good trade is to send Porter to Atlanta straight up for Matt Schaab. He is not doing the Falcons any good rotting on the bench and it is clear that they are in desperate need at WR. As for Moss, if Al can get a fifth round pick for him he should take it. Al has had better luck picking in the later rounds then he has in the first round. As for Janikowski, take him to the airport and ship his worthless ass back to Warsaw. I can't believe Al wasted a number one pick on this turd when Shawn Alexander was still available. In the 2007 draft, concentrate on getting a RB and a TE that can catch and hold on to the ball. It also wouldn't hurt to money whip Rob Ryan so he will stay and keep up the great job he has done on defense.
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