First, the Titans are a bad team breaking in a rookie QB. So there's that.
And I'll say the Raiders offense looked more dynamic in a couple flashes, but then it was back to the same old tricks. At times the OL looked confused and sometimes incompetent. A missed blocking assignment led to a sack early, which was followed by a delay of game that pushed a FG attempt over 50 yards. So sloppy. Jeanty was regularly stood up in the backfield. And Smith threw his requisite INT.
Sure, it's a win, but it's disheartening to see them continue to make the same mistakes. Too many jailbreaks across the OL, and too often it seemed to include one Raiders lineman just standing and watching Smith get sacked or Jeanty get crushed in the backfield. The OL regularly gets outsmarted and outplayed by the opposing defense.
And what's up with Alex Cappa at receiver and actually a target in the end zone? Did the Raiders run out of plays for their skill players? Are they searching for new ways to look stupid?
It is cool to watch Crosby and the front seven on D play their asses off with lots of heart. Crosby and White were fantastic. And Tre Tucker and Michael Mayer were dialed in. And hitting Jeanty in the flat was a welcome change. Some bright spots.
Hate to say it but Geno reminded me of a Raider signal caller from the past today; Marc Wilson. Why?
With Wilson it wasn’t just the number of interceptions, it was the timing, the field position, etc. Geno’s interception was deep in Titan territory and likely took at least three points off the board for the Raiders. Possibly seven. A veteran knows this and throws it out of bounds, runs, takes a sack, etc.
Where is the veteran leadership from Geno? He is making mistakes one might forgive a rookie for, but the point of signing him was not having to deal with crucial mistakes at the wrong time.
On the plus side, very happy for Mayer. He is a classic, physical TE, and a great complement to Bowers when he’s healthy. Nice to have a player as good as him when Brock can’t go.
Looked like Smith was anticipating and protecting himself before the hit. Nobody wants to get hit, but there are many QBs in the league who throw the ball first then worry about the hit. Apparently, Smith is not one of those QBs. In his defense, the line is not protecting him. Way too many missed assignments and OL men getting blown up one-on-one. Raiders badly missed Kolton Miller in that game.
Funny thing is, Munford was a LT in college and I seem to remember he played LT pretty decent in a backup roll for the Raiders. But Carroll and Spytek cut him. I guess they had their sights on Alex Cappa someday catching a TD pass.
I truly hope and pray Pete Carroll proves me wrong, and the Raiders are actually headed in a meaningful upward trajectory and that everything I'm seeing now (good and bad) is a means to an end that will fulfill all of us as fans.
Yet here we are. We have no idea what will come. But we had a moment of clarity this week as to where we've been, because losing to the lowly Raiders was the catalyst that got Bill Callahan fired as HC of the Titans. Perhaps he deserved it. But it was losing to the Raiders six games into Callahan's second season as HC (tasked with mentoring a rookie QB) that broke the proverbial back.
Geez! Either the Raiders are perceived as the NFL's punching bag or the Titans are more dysfunctional than the Raiders. Perhaps the Raiders could use a new OC.
Sorry I am late to the game, long weekend for me. I will take the win. Every game has its challenges, mistakes to overcome, etc; but when it works for the "W" then all is right. As for the challenges, I don't know if OC Chip Kelly is lost, or if Geno is lost, or both. One, if not both, are hindering the Raiders from winning consistently. Sure 10 interceptions in 6 games is horrible, but the play calling and offensive line blocking has been just as horrible and unimaginative. I don't understand why Charles Grant and Caleb Rogers are not getting snaps here. Let's see what these rookies have. Rogers played awesome for Texas Tech, and I'm sure he can pick up here. Grant was considered a steal in the draft, if so, I'm sure he can impact and the two of them can change the dynamic of the O-Line. Also Dont'e Thornton Jr hasn't been getting a lot of looks either. It seems the play calls are for one side of the field. I will say, DJ Glaze seems to be doing better at RT, but JPJ, Meredith, and Parham still look lost. Can't blame Forsythe because Kolton Miller is supposed to be there but isn't. We have to keep the pressure off by running screens, play action, RPO, etc. We head to Kansas City next, and after Sunday Night's game, you know the refs are going to favor them. The refs brutally robbed Detroit on several occasions. Buckle up, its gonna be bumpy.
Nate, it's a veteran line. IMO, they look lost because they are not being coached well. The scheme and playcalling are bad. It took them six weeks before they actually tossed a sweep to Jeanty running to the outside... and it worked! Do they ever run screens? I can't remember any. IMO, the players are better than their coaching, at least on offense where they have so many weapons. Coaches have had six months to install their system but players still look lost and corrective adjustments are mostly absent. It's not a rookie coaching staff but they sure act like one.
New York it's not really a veteran line, you have two second year players and Meredith only started last year. With Kolton Miller out we can all agree the lines sucks it's a bad combination with all the interceptions Geno is throwing. I'm going to be a little more patient with the coaching staff there certainly doing a decent job on the defense considering we all thought it would be awful coming into this year. Nate, JPJ is playing well. Sandy
Any win is a good win. Sandy, the clown car was retroactively aimed, but I'd like to think it spurred on-field improvement. Steve, love the Marc Wilson comparison.
Sandy, comparatively, we've been beaten by at least one team which had rookie(s) starting on their O-line. What bothers me most is that the Raiders O-line has at least two starters playing out of position and they are being asked to play in a system that doesn't ideally match their strengths. Again, IMO, that's why they've looked lost at times and underperformed.
As for your patientce I totally respect that and hope you find the Raiders and the Carroll regime worthy. I continue to call 'em like I see 'em which, admittedly, I have my limitations as an armchair Monday morning QB.
Does anyone have a thought about Brian Callahan getting fired after getting beat by the Raiders? I thought Callahan was an up-and-coming talent in the NFL. It boggles my mind that the Titans didn't have more patience with him, especially, given that they just drafted a rookie QB with the #1 pick.
Could the embarrassment of losing to the Raiders really be the straw that broke the camel's back? If so, that's revealing about the the Raiders, or at least perception of the Raiders. Ouch! Right?
NY, I thought Brian Callahan was a reach to be HC. Didn't think he was really ready, much like his father Bill. Both are great OC's, but Brian needs a little more time with a mentor on how to manage the game. Could the Titans be a little more patient? Yes. So could the Raiders. What got Bisaccia fired was in-game mismanagement, and it is the same here with Brian Callahan. You have to go back to the question every organization has to ask itself when you are looking to fire a HC: Who are you going to replace him with?
Titans probably needed to have more patience with Callahan and his rookie QB than 6 games. That's a joke, IMO, and better resembles the nonsense we've dealt with as Raiders fans. Maybe Callahan wasn't properly vetted with other candidates. Sound familiar? Mike McCoy is interim HC, so they didn't exactly hit gold there either. Another OC who failed as a HC.
Who on here has any degree of confidence that Gino can turn it around? Or is his horrendous play combined with a offensive line too much to overcome? Sandy
I am confident any pro-sports player can turn their struggles around. They have all the tools too. Can Geno get out of his own head to turn it around, that is the bigger question, and the only answer any of us can give is "We'll see." I think his ability to do so will be contingent on the coaches making adjustments to help him at this point. "We'll see." Until then, Just Prove It, Baby!
The problem is bigger than Geno Smith. The bigger problem is Chip Kelly. Lincoln Kennedy discussed it this week. Kelly is doing a terrible job calling the offense. Kennedy mentioned the play I wrote about right after this week's game.
"...there also shouldn’t be a reason why you get first down and go on the three-yard line and you’re trying to do a tackle eligible. Hell no… The fact that you bring two extra offensive linemen and that’s the play you go to?”
The "first and goal from the 3" series ended in a FG. That's a joke, and it's on Kelly, who mostly has no answers. Bottom line, the Raiders offense can't get better until Kelly gets better. That might not be possible. He and Luke Getsy.
Geno Smith is serviceable behind solid O-line play, which I believe the Raiders line is capable of under good direction (and scheme). Smith is getting swarmed and Kelly isn't calling plays to help him, until this week with some toss plays. However, for 5 games we had Thorton Jr streaking down the field and Smith on the turf 10 yards behind the LOS. They just started playing Bech Week 6.
Carroll is a defensive minded coach, but he's the HC. This stuff falls on him as well. Frankly, the Raiders team we've watched thru 6 games has no chance of beating the Chiefs, even in their recent less-than-perfect iteration.
Geno Smith is not the Qb of the future. In fact, the Raiders do not have a so called, Qb of the future on the roster. Unless Cam Miller turns out to be a miracle man, but he looked horrible in pre-season. So did AOC, and now Geno in regular season, all stink in "Vanilla" Chip Kelly's offense.
Either all our Qb's suck, or Kelly's offense sucks. Take your pick, or a Geno pick, whichever.
Both Kelly and Smith have grossly underperformed expectations, but Kelly is doing his best Luke Getsy imitation. Bad OC choice is what got the last HC fired. Think of it this way; when a lifetime Raider like Lincoln Kennedy globally calls out the play-calling, we've reached Defcon 3 (state of readiness). Kelly has been awful. Greg Olsen, a failed former Raiders OC is on staff. Even he'd be a step up.
How do the Raiders always manage to come full circle with this stuff. It's like watching reruns of I love Lucy. Something always goes wrong.
One question that’s fair to ask regarding our young offensive linemen; did DJ Glaze play better as a rookie, or this year? The answer is pretty clear so far, isn’t it?
I think the entire line is struggling with the new scheme. In every game there are blatant missed assignments and someone running free to the QB. The lack of communication is amateurish, and corrections are painfully slow to happen.
In past years, I can't remember ever watching the O-line so intently. This year it's a like rubbernecking an accident. I can't help but see the mistakes. IMO, something needs to give, or someone else needs to take over the offense. The entire offense lacks leadership and cohesion, and play-calling is terrible, again!
The article below kind of sums it up. Stone Forsythe, replacing Miller, had a horrendous game, giving up 3 sacks. He's not even a good backup, which should give pause as to why the Raiders dumped Munford who was a left tackle in college and played aptly for the Raiders previous seasons in a backup role at LT. My guess is that the same people who are guiding the O-line to failure now are the ones who decided to let Munford go. The Raiders were remarkably absent wrt O-line during the off-season... releasing Munford and signing Alex Cappa who sucked for the Bengals last year.
I hear you NY. This is also the frustrating byproduct of firing coaches all the time. Coach A wants big power guys in a gap scheme. In come Coach B who wants athletic zone blockers, but has to implement it with power gap guys in the short term because that’s what’s on the roster.
This is why I’ll always say Mark was right to give Gruden the 10 year deal, for better or worse. We badly needed stability in scheme, philosophy, etc. We are right back in the pre-2018 hell of changing coaches, scouts, and philosophies like dirty socks, and it’s not pretty or fun to watch.
Munford was awful I think he filled in one game at left tackle the rest of the time he played right tackle. Either way it's an embarrassment the Raiders don't have a swing tackle in reserve. Sandy
That's partly my point. Raiders don't have a swing tackle in reserve. Munford was that guy. If you think he's worse than Forsythe who gave up 7 pressures and 3 sacks in a single game, I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
Sandy, we've done this before with past regimes, where you and I both agreed too little effort was put into assembling a decent O-line with adequate depth. New regimes come in and talk a big game about how important it is to "build in the trenches." Each time, the effort isn't there.
Carroll and Spytek's big move this year was to bring in Alex Cappa on the heels of a horrendous season with the Bengals last year. As if that wasn't bad enough, JPJ (probably the Raiders 2nd best OL) was listed as "co-starter" with this guy right into the start of the season.
I get that I'm on the outside looking in, but my gut tells me that the Raiders have so far been impotent at assembling, coaching and implementing an effective O-line. My bigger concern is that players are out of position, namely, JPJ and Meredith. I feel like this coaching staff is overlooking (and potentially wasting) generational talent at center. JPJ was consensus best center in college when the Raiders drafted him. What happened?
Think about it. In the Raiders history, they have had their most success when they've had all-pro centers. The list is impressive. IMO, Meredith, while perhaps reliable, has no chance of making that list. JPJ? Who knows, but shouldn't we find out? Kid is tough as nails and has a nasty chip on his shoulder that makes him a candidate.
Sure, I want to give coaches the benefit of the doubt, but they continue to stumble on their own proclamations. Carroll said this would NOT be a rebuild. But that's exactly what it is and, IMO, he'll soon be running out of time.
As a final thought, think about all the linemen the Raiders have moved out of their natural position. It almost always fails. Moving right to left, left to right, or to center might look good on paper but it's sometimes like asking a right-handed batter to bat lefty.
Good point about O line NY. I feel McKenzie deserves more credit for that reason. Drafted a QB who was deadly in the pocket and made a concerted effort to put five brutes in front of him. Signed Crabtree, drafted Coop and away we went. Didn’t take very long either.
I keep hoping that this is the game the Raiders turn it aroumd to be disappointed that today is not the day. To make it worse 31-0 to the Chefs at this point. Cant protect, cant run, cant pass, cant pressure the QB, can only punt and let them score. Deplorable
I don't know how the Raiders, or even Pete Carroll, survive this loss. It looks like they benched JPJ again. They don't understand that they are playing him out of position. Worse, they expected him to block Chris Jones one-on-one. But it hardly matters. There's pathetic, then 5 steps below that are the Raiders. This is easily the worst Raiders team we've ever seen.
Personally, I would blow up the coaching staff before I blow up the team. Maybe Antonio Pierce is available.
Mark these words: The first coach to move JPJ back to center and go back to power blocking will have success. And let Graham go back upstairs to call plays. He can have Chip Kelly's seat.
This is the worst coached team since Art Shell 2. The entire team looks lost. Fir Pete and Chip, make Patrick Graham interim. He will coach to the strength of the offense. Hire Brian Callahan as OC
Seven games into the season and opposing teams have the Raiders figured out. Raiders coaches have no answers. Raiders have scored 16 points in the last three games, culminating into today's shutout. We've hit rock bottom. Who would have thought.
One blogger said he thought the Raiders might finally piece something together at the end of the year, win two meaningless games and go from #2 pick back to pick #8. Sounds like he's been there before.
But, honestly, do we want the same coaches who can't get a veteran QB to perform the basic functions of the position to be the ones coaching a rookie QB next year?
Pete Carroll: "blowout loss was a game I didn't see coming"
Carroll said they "had prepared really well." Sure, but isn't the expectation that a veteran coaching staff with a veteran QB would not suffer such an historically embarrassing loss? The Chiefs were mocking the Raiders with the fake, no fake 4th down play which is all over media... like they did a few years ago when the O-line circled into position. The Raiders are patsies and the new coaching staff is filling that role nicely.
They have no idea... and no ideas. They are the arson trying to put out the fire.
My fear is they will continue to gut the roster looking for answers they can't possibly find, then turn it over to someone else and we'll be in the same boat (i.e., a dinghy, not a pirate ship) in two or three years.
This has become a vicious cycle that no one can break.
Pete looked as lost as the Raiders' players at his press conference. JPJ in the doghouse? Why? Why not Meredith, Forsythe, Kyu Blu Kelly? Another loser coach going to take it out on one player and get rid of him? What are we doing? I'm waiting to see Chip and Pete get the axe in the bye week, one of these, if not both, need to go
There have been multiple media reports that JPJ is in somebody's doghouse but nobody seems to know whose. They left him on an island yesterday trying to block the best interior DL-man in the NFL in Chris Jones. When JPJ predictably failed they brought in Alex Cappa, who also failed. It seemed like every time the Raiders went 3rd and long, a sack was inevitable.
I'm in the camp that strongly believes the coaches deserve more blame than the players. They have players out of position (IMO) and keep dialing up the same failed plays in the same failed scheme. I don't remember a more repetitive headbanging experience.
Where's Tom Brady stand? Did he forget how good football is played (and coached)? The wheels have to be turning inside the building. This can't be acceptable to anyone.
Sandy, what might a "full rebuild" entail? Shouldn't that plan at least be reasonable and attainable? And who's going to implement it?
Setting aside the fact that the Raiders have spent the 24 years trying to field a decent team, what evidence have we seen from this coaching staff that they might be capable of rebuilding the team, and within a timeframe that's consistent with Carroll's contract?
Rebuild should probably start with a staff who know how to call plays to match the situation of a game or broader circumstances surrounding the roster, e.g., even with players who might not fit their end goal. The Raiders current staff has so far demonstrated to be completely void of that baseline, IMO.
At a minimum, Pete Carroll mimicked Antonio Pierce by hiring Chip Kelly. Kelly is Luke Getsy, one year removed. That should get resolved today, but I doubt it will.
This one just came across the wire: Kyu Blu Kelly has given up more receiving yards than any cornerback in the league, according to Pro Football Focus analytics.
Carroll hasn't said a bad word about that, nor his handpicked QB who has completely sucked since Week 1 and leads the league in INTs, but for some reason keeps benching JPJ... who was good enough last year to supplant James at center and give the Raiders confidence to not renew his contract.
Too many WTF moments this year to just give Carroll & company a free pass for next year. What happened to "it's time to be compete?"
Did they grossly over-estimate the talent which they assembled? If so, what's to keep them from doing that next year too?
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A win is a win, I’ll take it! Having said that….so much to clean up.
RT, you broke out the clown car too early all is not lost lol Sandy
First, the Titans are a bad team breaking in a rookie QB. So there's that.
And I'll say the Raiders offense looked more dynamic in a couple flashes, but then it was back to the same old tricks. At times the OL looked confused and sometimes incompetent. A missed blocking assignment led to a sack early, which was followed by a delay of game that pushed a FG attempt over 50 yards. So sloppy. Jeanty was regularly stood up in the backfield. And Smith threw his requisite INT.
Sure, it's a win, but it's disheartening to see them continue to make the same mistakes. Too many jailbreaks across the OL, and too often it seemed to include one Raiders lineman just standing and watching Smith get sacked or Jeanty get crushed in the backfield. The OL regularly gets outsmarted and outplayed by the opposing defense.
And what's up with Alex Cappa at receiver and actually a target in the end zone? Did the Raiders run out of plays for their skill players? Are they searching for new ways to look stupid?
It is cool to watch Crosby and the front seven on D play their asses off with lots of heart. Crosby and White were fantastic. And Tre Tucker and Michael Mayer were dialed in. And hitting Jeanty in the flat was a welcome change. Some bright spots.
Hate to say it but Geno reminded me of a Raider signal caller from the past today; Marc Wilson. Why?
With Wilson it wasn’t just the number of interceptions, it was the timing, the field position, etc. Geno’s interception was deep in Titan territory and likely took at least three points off the board for the Raiders. Possibly seven. A veteran knows this and throws it out of bounds, runs, takes a sack, etc.
Where is the veteran leadership from Geno? He is making mistakes one might forgive a rookie for, but the point of signing him was not having to deal with crucial mistakes at the wrong time.
On the plus side, very happy for Mayer. He is a classic, physical TE, and a great complement to Bowers when he’s healthy. Nice to have a player as good as him when Brock can’t go.
Looked like Smith was anticipating and protecting himself before the hit. Nobody wants to get hit, but there are many QBs in the league who throw the ball first then worry about the hit. Apparently, Smith is not one of those QBs. In his defense, the line is not protecting him. Way too many missed assignments and OL men getting blown up one-on-one. Raiders badly missed Kolton Miller in that game.
Funny thing is, Munford was a LT in college and I seem to remember he played LT pretty decent in a backup roll for the Raiders. But Carroll and Spytek cut him. I guess they had their sights on Alex Cappa someday catching a TD pass.
I truly hope and pray Pete Carroll proves me wrong, and the Raiders are actually headed in a meaningful upward trajectory and that everything I'm seeing now (good and bad) is a means to an end that will fulfill all of us as fans.
Yet here we are. We have no idea what will come. But we had a moment of clarity this week as to where we've been, because losing to the lowly Raiders was the catalyst that got Bill Callahan fired as HC of the Titans. Perhaps he deserved it. But it was losing to the Raiders six games into Callahan's second season as HC (tasked with mentoring a rookie QB) that broke the proverbial back.
Geez! Either the Raiders are perceived as the NFL's punching bag or the Titans are more dysfunctional than the Raiders. Perhaps the Raiders could use a new OC.
Excuse me, "Brian" Callahan.
It was Brian Callahan's chops as OC of the Bengals that got him hired as HC of the Titans. It seems absurd they would give up on him so quickly.
Sorry I am late to the game, long weekend for me.
I will take the win. Every game has its challenges, mistakes to overcome, etc; but when it works for the "W" then all is right.
As for the challenges, I don't know if OC Chip Kelly is lost, or if Geno is lost, or both. One, if not both, are hindering the Raiders from winning consistently. Sure 10 interceptions in 6 games is horrible, but the play calling and offensive line blocking has been just as horrible and unimaginative. I don't understand why Charles Grant and Caleb Rogers are not getting snaps here. Let's see what these rookies have. Rogers played awesome for Texas Tech, and I'm sure he can pick up here. Grant was considered a steal in the draft, if so, I'm sure he can impact and the two of them can change the dynamic of the O-Line.
Also Dont'e Thornton Jr hasn't been getting a lot of looks either. It seems the play calls are for one side of the field.
I will say, DJ Glaze seems to be doing better at RT, but JPJ, Meredith, and Parham still look lost. Can't blame Forsythe because Kolton Miller is supposed to be there but isn't. We have to keep the pressure off by running screens, play action, RPO, etc.
We head to Kansas City next, and after Sunday Night's game, you know the refs are going to favor them. The refs brutally robbed Detroit on several occasions. Buckle up, its gonna be bumpy.
Nate, it's a veteran line. IMO, they look lost because they are not being coached well. The scheme and playcalling are bad. It took them six weeks before they actually tossed a sweep to Jeanty running to the outside... and it worked! Do they ever run screens? I can't remember any. IMO, the players are better than their coaching, at least on offense where they have so many weapons. Coaches have had six months to install their system but players still look lost and corrective adjustments are mostly absent. It's not a rookie coaching staff but they sure act like one.
New York it's not really a veteran line, you have two second year players and Meredith only started last year. With Kolton Miller out we can all agree the lines sucks it's a bad combination with all the interceptions Geno is throwing. I'm going to be a little more patient with the coaching staff there certainly doing a decent job on the defense considering we all thought it would be awful coming into this year. Nate, JPJ is playing well. Sandy
Any win is a good win. Sandy, the clown car was retroactively aimed, but I'd like to think it spurred on-field improvement. Steve, love the Marc Wilson comparison.
Sandy, comparatively, we've been beaten by at least one team which had rookie(s) starting on their O-line. What bothers me most is that the Raiders O-line has at least two starters playing out of position and they are being asked to play in a system that doesn't ideally match their strengths. Again, IMO, that's why they've looked lost at times and underperformed.
As for your patientce I totally respect that and hope you find the Raiders and the Carroll regime worthy. I continue to call 'em like I see 'em which, admittedly, I have my limitations as an armchair Monday morning QB.
Does anyone have a thought about Brian Callahan getting fired after getting beat by the Raiders? I thought Callahan was an up-and-coming talent in the NFL. It boggles my mind that the Titans didn't have more patience with him, especially, given that they just drafted a rookie QB with the #1 pick.
Could the embarrassment of losing to the Raiders really be the straw that broke the camel's back? If so, that's revealing about the the Raiders, or at least perception of the Raiders. Ouch! Right?
NY, I thought Brian Callahan was a reach to be HC. Didn't think he was really ready, much like his father Bill. Both are great OC's, but Brian needs a little more time with a mentor on how to manage the game.
Could the Titans be a little more patient? Yes. So could the Raiders. What got Bisaccia fired was in-game mismanagement, and it is the same here with Brian Callahan.
You have to go back to the question every organization has to ask itself when you are looking to fire a HC: Who are you going to replace him with?
Titans probably needed to have more patience with Callahan and his rookie QB than 6 games. That's a joke, IMO, and better resembles the nonsense we've dealt with as Raiders fans. Maybe Callahan wasn't properly vetted with other candidates. Sound familiar? Mike McCoy is interim HC, so they didn't exactly hit gold there either. Another OC who failed as a HC.
Who on here has any degree of confidence that Gino can turn it around? Or is his horrendous play combined with a offensive line too much to overcome? Sandy
I am confident any pro-sports player can turn their struggles around. They have all the tools too. Can Geno get out of his own head to turn it around, that is the bigger question, and the only answer any of us can give is "We'll see."
I think his ability to do so will be contingent on the coaches making adjustments to help him at this point. "We'll see." Until then, Just Prove It, Baby!
The problem is bigger than Geno Smith. The bigger problem is Chip Kelly. Lincoln Kennedy discussed it this week. Kelly is doing a terrible job calling the offense. Kennedy mentioned the play I wrote about right after this week's game.
"...there also shouldn’t be a reason why you get first down and go on the three-yard line and you’re trying to do a tackle eligible. Hell no… The fact that you bring two extra offensive linemen and that’s the play you go to?”
The "first and goal from the 3" series ended in a FG. That's a joke, and it's on Kelly, who mostly has no answers. Bottom line, the Raiders offense can't get better until Kelly gets better. That might not be possible. He and Luke Getsy.
Geno Smith is serviceable behind solid O-line play, which I believe the Raiders line is capable of under good direction (and scheme). Smith is getting swarmed and Kelly isn't calling plays to help him, until this week with some toss plays. However, for 5 games we had Thorton Jr streaking down the field and Smith on the turf 10 yards behind the LOS. They just started playing Bech Week 6.
Carroll is a defensive minded coach, but he's the HC. This stuff falls on him as well. Frankly, the Raiders team we've watched thru 6 games has no chance of beating the Chiefs, even in their recent less-than-perfect iteration.
Geno Smith is not the Qb of the future. In fact, the Raiders do not have a so called, Qb of the future on the roster. Unless Cam Miller turns out to be a miracle man, but he looked horrible in pre-season. So did AOC, and now Geno in regular season, all stink in "Vanilla" Chip Kelly's offense.
Either all our Qb's suck, or Kelly's offense sucks. Take your pick, or a Geno pick, whichever.
Both Kelly and Smith have grossly underperformed expectations, but Kelly is doing his best Luke Getsy imitation. Bad OC choice is what got the last HC fired. Think of it this way; when a lifetime Raider like Lincoln Kennedy globally calls out the play-calling, we've reached Defcon 3 (state of readiness). Kelly has been awful. Greg Olsen, a failed former Raiders OC is on staff. Even he'd be a step up.
How do the Raiders always manage to come full circle with this stuff. It's like watching reruns of I love Lucy. Something always goes wrong.
One question that’s fair to ask regarding our young offensive linemen; did DJ Glaze play better as a rookie, or this year? The answer is pretty clear so far, isn’t it?
Glaze has struggled a bit this year but as of late has picked it up he had a good game against Tennessee.. Sandy
I think the entire line is struggling with the new scheme. In every game there are blatant missed assignments and someone running free to the QB. The lack of communication is amateurish, and corrections are painfully slow to happen.
In past years, I can't remember ever watching the O-line so intently. This year it's a like rubbernecking an accident. I can't help but see the mistakes. IMO, something needs to give, or someone else needs to take over the offense. The entire offense lacks leadership and cohesion, and play-calling is terrible, again!
The article below kind of sums it up. Stone Forsythe, replacing Miller, had a horrendous game, giving up 3 sacks. He's not even a good backup, which should give pause as to why the Raiders dumped Munford who was a left tackle in college and played aptly for the Raiders previous seasons in a backup role at LT. My guess is that the same people who are guiding the O-line to failure now are the ones who decided to let Munford go. The Raiders were remarkably absent wrt O-line during the off-season... releasing Munford and signing Alex Cappa who sucked for the Bengals last year.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/key_raiders_unit_gets_troubling_ranking_before_chiefs_game/s1_16640_42914844
I hear you NY. This is also the frustrating byproduct of firing coaches all the time. Coach A wants big power guys in a gap scheme. In come Coach B who wants athletic zone blockers, but has to implement it with power gap guys in the short term because that’s what’s on the roster.
This is why I’ll always say Mark was right to give Gruden the 10 year deal, for better or worse. We badly needed stability in scheme, philosophy, etc. We are right back in the pre-2018 hell of changing coaches, scouts, and philosophies like dirty socks, and it’s not pretty or fun to watch.
Munford was awful I think he filled in one game at left tackle the rest of the time he played right tackle. Either way it's an embarrassment the Raiders don't have a swing tackle in reserve. Sandy
That's partly my point. Raiders don't have a swing tackle in reserve. Munford was that guy. If you think he's worse than Forsythe who gave up 7 pressures and 3 sacks in a single game, I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
NY, I agree Forsythe is horrendous while Munford is merely crapy. Sandy
Sandy, we've done this before with past regimes, where you and I both agreed too little effort was put into assembling a decent O-line with adequate depth. New regimes come in and talk a big game about how important it is to "build in the trenches." Each time, the effort isn't there.
Carroll and Spytek's big move this year was to bring in Alex Cappa on the heels of a horrendous season with the Bengals last year. As if that wasn't bad enough, JPJ (probably the Raiders 2nd best OL) was listed as "co-starter" with this guy right into the start of the season.
I get that I'm on the outside looking in, but my gut tells me that the Raiders have so far been impotent at assembling, coaching and implementing an effective O-line. My bigger concern is that players are out of position, namely, JPJ and Meredith. I feel like this coaching staff is overlooking (and potentially wasting) generational talent at center. JPJ was consensus best center in college when the Raiders drafted him. What happened?
Think about it. In the Raiders history, they have had their most success when they've had all-pro centers. The list is impressive. IMO, Meredith, while perhaps reliable, has no chance of making that list. JPJ? Who knows, but shouldn't we find out? Kid is tough as nails and has a nasty chip on his shoulder that makes him a candidate.
Sure, I want to give coaches the benefit of the doubt, but they continue to stumble on their own proclamations. Carroll said this would NOT be a rebuild. But that's exactly what it is and, IMO, he'll soon be running out of time.
As a final thought, think about all the linemen the Raiders have moved out of their natural position. It almost always fails. Moving right to left, left to right, or to center might look good on paper but it's sometimes like asking a right-handed batter to bat lefty.
Good point about O line NY. I feel McKenzie deserves more credit for that reason. Drafted a QB who was deadly in the pocket and made a concerted effort to put five brutes in front of him. Signed Crabtree, drafted Coop and away we went. Didn’t take very long either.
His approach and strategy made sense.
I keep hoping that this is the game the Raiders turn it aroumd to be disappointed that today is not the day. To make it worse 31-0 to the Chefs at this point. Cant protect, cant run, cant pass, cant pressure the QB, can only punt and let them score. Deplorable
Raiders only 3 first downs today. Time to fire Chip Kelly and Brennan Carroll and bench Geno
I don't know how the Raiders, or even Pete Carroll, survive this loss. It looks like they benched JPJ again. They don't understand that they are playing him out of position. Worse, they expected him to block Chris Jones one-on-one. But it hardly matters. There's pathetic, then 5 steps below that are the Raiders. This is easily the worst Raiders team we've ever seen.
Personally, I would blow up the coaching staff before I blow up the team. Maybe Antonio Pierce is available.
Mark these words: The first coach to move JPJ back to center and go back to power blocking will have success. And let Graham go back upstairs to call plays. He can have Chip Kelly's seat.
My eyes are still burning.
This is the worst coached team since Art Shell 2. The entire team looks lost. Fir Pete and Chip, make Patrick Graham interim. He will coach to the strength of the offense. Hire Brian Callahan as OC
Seven games into the season and opposing teams have the Raiders figured out. Raiders coaches have no answers. Raiders have scored 16 points in the last three games, culminating into today's shutout. We've hit rock bottom. Who would have thought.
One blogger said he thought the Raiders might finally piece something together at the end of the year, win two meaningless games and go from #2 pick back to pick #8. Sounds like he's been there before.
But, honestly, do we want the same coaches who can't get a veteran QB to perform the basic functions of the position to be the ones coaching a rookie QB next year?
Everything smells bad right now.
Pete Carroll: "blowout loss was a game I didn't see coming"
Carroll said they "had prepared really well." Sure, but isn't the expectation that a veteran coaching staff with a veteran QB would not suffer such an historically embarrassing loss? The Chiefs were mocking the Raiders with the fake, no fake 4th down play which is all over media... like they did a few years ago when the O-line circled into position. The Raiders are patsies and the new coaching staff is filling that role nicely.
They have no idea... and no ideas. They are the arson trying to put out the fire.
My fear is they will continue to gut the roster looking for answers they can't possibly find, then turn it over to someone else and we'll be in the same boat (i.e., a dinghy, not a pirate ship) in two or three years.
This has become a vicious cycle that no one can break.
Pete looked as lost as the Raiders' players at his press conference. JPJ in the doghouse? Why? Why not Meredith, Forsythe, Kyu Blu Kelly? Another loser coach going to take it out on one player and get rid of him? What are we doing?
I'm waiting to see Chip and Pete get the axe in the bye week, one of these, if not both, need to go
There have been multiple media reports that JPJ is in somebody's doghouse but nobody seems to know whose. They left him on an island yesterday trying to block the best interior DL-man in the NFL in Chris Jones. When JPJ predictably failed they brought in Alex Cappa, who also failed. It seemed like every time the Raiders went 3rd and long, a sack was inevitable.
I'm in the camp that strongly believes the coaches deserve more blame than the players. They have players out of position (IMO) and keep dialing up the same failed plays in the same failed scheme. I don't remember a more repetitive headbanging experience.
Where's Tom Brady stand? Did he forget how good football is played (and coached)? The wheels have to be turning inside the building. This can't be acceptable to anyone.
Unfortunately the Raiders and their fans need to embrace a full rebuild. Sandy
Its Monday, 11:54 am (CST), and the Raiders have yet to fire Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, and his two boys ....
Sandy, what might a "full rebuild" entail? Shouldn't that plan at least be reasonable and attainable? And who's going to implement it?
Setting aside the fact that the Raiders have spent the 24 years trying to field a decent team, what evidence have we seen from this coaching staff that they might be capable of rebuilding the team, and within a timeframe that's consistent with Carroll's contract?
Rebuild should probably start with a staff who know how to call plays to match the situation of a game or broader circumstances surrounding the roster, e.g., even with players who might not fit their end goal. The Raiders current staff has so far demonstrated to be completely void of that baseline, IMO.
At a minimum, Pete Carroll mimicked Antonio Pierce by hiring Chip Kelly. Kelly is Luke Getsy, one year removed. That should get resolved today, but I doubt it will.
This one just came across the wire: Kyu Blu Kelly has given up more receiving yards than any cornerback in the league, according to Pro Football Focus analytics.
Carroll hasn't said a bad word about that, nor his handpicked QB who has completely sucked since Week 1 and leads the league in INTs, but for some reason keeps benching JPJ... who was good enough last year to supplant James at center and give the Raiders confidence to not renew his contract.
Too many WTF moments this year to just give Carroll & company a free pass for next year. What happened to "it's time to be compete?"
Did they grossly over-estimate the talent which they assembled? If so, what's to keep them from doing that next year too?
Can't keep blaming coaches and players. Raiders have bad ownership, and will not win until Mark Davis sells the team.
Raiders home games half filled with opponents fans, who did this,... ownership.
Now MD hands things over to Tom Brady, a great Qb, but never built any winning teams.
Whole thing is a big mess, and it starts at the top.
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